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Hello my fellow nerds.
I'm sure a fair few of you also had/have this dilemma. Should i buy the Nokia Lumia 800 or the HTC Titan? I'll go through some spec comparisons and then my pro's and cons, then i'll ask you guys for you're opinions. Right.
Price (Next day delivery from Handtec - cheapest i could find)
Lumia 800 - £406
Titan - £410
WINNER - Lumia 800
Screen
Lumia 800 - 3.7" AMOLED Clear Black display 480x800 252ppi
Titan - 4.7" SLCD 480x800 199ppi
WINNER - Tie
CPU
Lumia 800 - 1.4Ghz Qualcomm Snapdragon MSM8255 with Adreno 205GPU
Titan - 1.5Ghz Qualcomm Snapdragon MSM8255 with Adreno 205GPU
WINNER - Titan
Storage
Lumia 800 - 16GB (Unsure what type)
Titan - 16GB Samsung flash memory
WINNER - Titan due to flash over sd card
Additional software
Lumia 800 - Nokia drive, Nokia music, Ovi Maps
Titan - HTC Hub, Flashlight, Internet sharing, Panoramic & burst modes in camera
WINNER - Lumia 800 for me
Camera
Lumia 800 - 8MP f2.2 28mm sensor Carl Ziess Optics Dual LED flash, No FFC
Titan - 8MP f2.2 28mm lens Backlit BSI sensor Dual LED fla, FFC 1.3MP
WINNER - Titan for lens size, backlit sensor and ffc
Sensors
Lumia 800 - Accelerometer, Proximity, Light, Compass
Titan - Accelerometer, Proximity, Light, Compass, Gyroscope.
WINNER - Titan
Battery
Lumia 800 - 1450Mah
Titan - 1600Mah
WINNER - Titan
So from that, the Titan won 5, the Lumia 800 won 2, and one was a tie. So, on specs the Titan wins it.
IMHO, i think the Lumia 800 is a great phone, but overall the Titan beats it. But i still find myself wanting the Lumia. I don't know if it's the looks, the display, or just the ability to own something crafted so beautifully, but i just want it. They are both truly great phones and both really push the OS forwards and into the limelight, so to speak.
What does everyone think? I'll post this on both the Lumia 800 and HTC Titan boards, so more people see it.
Thanks for having a little read. Let me know your opinions below please. Thankyou geek community.
I looked at both as well, though I was always biased toward the Lumia. It was, after all, the only thing I really wanted, since I'm a big Nokia fan. I just wanted to make sure I was making the right decision.
Yes, the Titan has a larger display. The Lumia, hands down, has a much more beautiful display, IMO.
After playing w/ 4.7", 4.3" (HTC HD2), and 3.7", I do prefer the smaller form factor. It feels easier to do things with one hand.
Speaking of hands. For me, the Lumia feels amazing. I love that the protective sleeve looks exactly like the phone. And, I prefer my phones to be a bit flashy. I like to own phones that other people generally don't have, or that I'm not likely to bump into. I'm that way about cologne, too. I once had someone recognize a scent I was wearing. Granted, it was a common designer, but I never wore it again. I much prefer "OMG, what are you wearing" and "OMG, what a sexy phone!" HAHAHA
The Lumia has its downsides. Music playback quality is sub-par, even through ear phones. The lows are missing. Internet Sharing has yet to be enabled, and lack of notification light is something I notice.
Having said that, I'm very happy with my beautiful cyan smartphone.
Well, the Titan has just dropped to £383.99 ($592.07) on Handtec.co.uk. If it was Amazon, clove or expansys i would by now, but I've heard really mixed reviews of Handtec. Some people say its fine, but lots of people say they sent the wrong item or it was damaged or came weeks, sometimes even months late, even after paying for next day delivery. Has anyone here brought their Lumia or any other phone on Handtec.co.uk? Cheers.
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Well, the Titan has just dropped to £383.99 ($592.07) on Handtec.co.uk. If it was Amazon, clove or expansys i would by now, but I've heard really mixed reviews of Handtec. Some people say its fine, but lots of people say they sent the wrong item or it was damaged or came weeks, sometimes even months late, even after paying for next day delivery. Has anyone here brought their Lumia or any other phone on Handtec.co.uk? Cheers.
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I had an awesome experience with Handtec.co.uk
They were the only business to confirm the product code of the Lumia 800 and the correct bands on it. Other sites either did not reply, or quoted Nokia's website. Handtec also processed the order and I received here in Seattle 36hrs after I submitted the order. Another user (halfnelson...) ordered his Lumia from handtec as well. That's how I learned of them. He had a fantastic experience, too.
Are you in the UK?
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I had an awesome experience with Handtec.co.uk
They were the only business to confirm the product code of the Lumia 800 and the correct bands on it. Other sites either did not reply, or quoted Nokia's website. Handtec also processed the order and I received here in Seattle 36hrs after I submitted the order. Another user (halfnelson...) ordered his Lumia from handtec as well. That's how I learned of them. He had a fantastic experience, too.
Are you in the UK?
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Yeah in the UK. Have taken the plunge and ordered the Titan. I'll give it a month or two and hopefully by then the Lumia 900 might even be available in the UK. Thanks for you're help
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Yeah in the UK. Have taken the plunge and ordered the Titan. I'll give it a month or two and hopefully by then the Lumia 900 might even be available in the UK. Thanks for you're help
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Good for you! Bet you'll have it real soon.
Ima gonna bet that the Lumia 900 won't officially make it out of the US for quite some time. AT&T loves their exclusivity contracts. If you were to obtain an unlocked AT&T model, odds are likely that they will have forced Nokia to make it tri-band UMTS, just to screw everyone else out of a fully functioning device.
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Good for you! Bet you'll have it real soon.
Ima gonna bet that the Lumia 900 won't officially make it out of the US for quite some time. AT&T loves their exclusivity contracts. If you were to obtain an unlocked AT&T model, odds are likely that they will have forced Nokia to make it tri-band UMTS, just to screw everyone else out of a fully functioning device.
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Yeah wouldn't surprise me at all. I hate it when carriers get exclusives. Don't see why Nokia couldn't sell the 800 and/or 900 through their official site sim-free. Oh well, if europe doesn't get the 900 maybe something else will be announced around july/august time in line with Apollo. Maybe even something with a high res screen and 32GB storage. We can only hope i suppose
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Yeah wouldn't surprise me at all. I hate it when carriers get exclusives. Don't see why Nokia couldn't sell the 800 and/or 900 through their official site sim-free. Oh well, if europe doesn't get the 900 maybe something else will be announced around july/august time in line with Apollo. Maybe even something with a high res screen and 32GB storage. We can only hope i suppose
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I just hope that whatever comes out isn't as sexy as the Lumia 800. I just can't afford a nasty smartphone habit in this economy.
anseio said:
I just hope that whatever comes out isn't as sexy as the Lumia 800. I just can't afford a nasty smartphone habit in this economy.
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Aha i've already got that habit unfortunately. It's not fun :/ I always feel guilty after clicking 'Order'. Then when the device comes through the post i lose the guilt and get ridiculously exited Got a Galaxy Nexus, Sensation XL, Omnia 7, Desire HD and now Titan. Might have to sell some soon
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Aha i've already got that habit unfortunately. It's not fun :/ I always feel guilty after clicking 'Order'. Then when the device comes through the post i lose the guilt and get ridiculously exited Got a Galaxy Nexus, Sensation XL, Omnia 7, Desire HD and now Titan. Might have to sell some soon
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I worked for AT&T from 2001-2007 and formed my habit there. I got the first color phone from Nokia... the 7210. I then splurged on the 8801, the the 8600 Luna. Then, dropped down to the just-as-flashy-but-less-expensive-and-well-featured 6700 classic (silver). There were other Nokias as well, but not so hot as these ones. Glad to be back in with them again. The titan is nice, but it's missing the sexy factor. Well, unless size matters. Then, it's the clear winner.
After I tried them both out in the store I chose the Lumia 800 (went home and ordered it from Amazon.de for 380 euroes, which was a lot cheaper than the Titan at 490 euroes..).
The Lumia just looks so much better, and feels more comfortable in the hand (also usable with 1 hand.. which was, obviously, more difficult with the titan, then again.. I have medium hands).
The AMOLED display is also far more superb than the SLCD on the Titan (in my opinion). I did not notice much difference on the processor side, but then again, the difference between them are really small.
After the update my phone lasts easily 3 days on battery with quite a lot of usage, which is in my opinion quite good for a smartphone.
Oh, you should have compared the "sound" when talking in it.. it is a phone you know! For me the Lumia wins here tho, since it has a noice canceling function which makes it easier for someone to hear you in the other end when it is filtering away sounds from for example your car or background noise. It also has good sound into your ear.
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After I tried them both out in the store I chose the Lumia 800 (went home and ordered it from Amazon.de for 380 euroes, which was a lot cheaper than the Titan at 490 euroes..).
The Lumia just looks so much better, and feels more comfortable in the hand (also usable with 1 hand.. which was, obviously, more difficult with the titan, then again.. I have medium hands).
The AMOLED display is also far more superb than the SLCD on the Titan (in my opinion). I did not notice much difference on the processor side, but then again, the difference between them are really small.
After the update my phone lasts easily 3 days on battery with quite a lot of usage, which is in my opinion quite good for a smartphone.
Oh, you should have compared the "sound" when talking in it.. it is a phone you know! For me the Lumia wins here tho, since it has a noice canceling function which makes it easier for someone to hear you in the other end when it is filtering away sounds from for example your car or background noise. It also has good sound into your ear.
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Thanks for the feedback. I can't put sound as a category, as i haven't had both phones, so i don't know about sound quality. I've only played with them briefly in store. Anyway, Titan is coming tomorrow.
Build quality, sound, support, lumia has many wins you didn't address.
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Build quality, sound, support, lumia has many wins you didn't address.
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Build quality would be a tie IMO. Lots of people with the lumia and n9 complain of creaking from the chassis, and people with the titan praise it's build, so idk. Sound the Titan is a downright winner. The Lumia 800 has quite frankly pathetic sound quality from what I've heard (albeit only a sample clip) and what people say on this forum. I don't know what you mean by support? Both would be sim free for me so the OS updates would be received at exactly the same time i would of thought.
Replaceable battery as a category
It's a question of taste, I know... The sealed enclosure is a dream for phone designers, and leads to gorgeous phones. However, the ability to swap batteries is a plus for road warriors. A plus for Titan, in my opinion...
Well guys, the HTC One X + is supposed to be the next big thing. Supposed to have the potential to dominate the iPhone 5, Galaxy S III and Lumia 920 (already has dominated the Lumia seeing as how it's a WIndows phone).
But is it the next phone that I should buy? All signs point to yes!
Here is a comparison between the HTC One X + and the Lumia 920...
Screen Display - HTC One X+ offers a 4.7 inch S-LCD2 display and Nokia Lumia 920 sports a 4.5-inch screen display. HTC claimed that their device is perfect for outdoor viewing which is countered by Nokia's colorful tiles.
Winner: HTC One X+
Processor - The HTC One X+ has a chip upgrade from its predecessor and is powered by a 1.7GHz quad-core chip with 1GB of RAM. Nokia Lumia 920, on the other hand, has a dual-core 1.5GHz Snapdragon processor.
Winner: HTC One X+
Operating System - Nokia Lumia 920 is running with Windows Phone 8, which is also a new version of the company's mobile software and promises greater experience. However, the new HTC One X+ comes with the Android v4.1 Jelly Bean.
Winner: Draw
Camera - Both devices have 8 megapixels rear camera. However, Nokia Lumia 920 boasts PureView camera that can capture sharp and vivid images.
Winner: Nokia Lumia 920
Battery - HTC One X+ sports a 2100 mAh battery that promises longer battery life, which is slightly higher than Nokia Lumia 920's 2000 mAh battery. However, Nokia is equipped with wireless charging feature that allows user to enjoy longer use of the device.
Winner: Nokia Lumia 920
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Either way, I'll be getting the HTC One X +, I've refused to have been iPwnd for years now and will never submit to Apple. Let's face it, iOS is inferior to Android in every way (at least in my opinion).
What do you guys think?
HTC One X + the way to go???
Thanks!
Honestly, the only advantages of the Lumia 920 might be in the screen(very close, hard to tell until detailed data comes out), definitely in the camera, and maybe in WP8 if it's better than 4.1.
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Honestly, the only advantages of the Lumia 920 might be in the screen(very close, hard to tell until detailed data comes out), definitely in the camera, and maybe in WP8 if it's better than 4.1.
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Yeah, the Lumia definitely has it's strong points. But the thing the worries me the most is Windows 8. Microsoft has developed Windows 8 as their mobile, tablet and pc OS. Microsoft, as history shows us, has failed miserably when it comes down to their mobile OS's. This time, however, they have created Windows 8 so that it can work flawlessly (supposedly) over multiple Windows 8 devices rather they be mobile or not.
It looks like they are trying to take charge of the mobile market. Kind of in the same way they are the winners in home, small business and enterprise networking. No one uses Apple products and software for networking in large environments. It's Windows Server 2k3, 2k8, Exchange 2k3/2k8, Sharepoint, SCCM, SCOM, VMware, SQL, Office, and most importantly Active Directory which would obviously be installable on any MS server system.
The point is, MS has failed in the past on the mobile side. They realize this and so they are trying to create devices to where you must use them due to compatibility or just because it's easier.
If Windows 8 fails on the mobile market it will cause major problems with users whom have Windows 8 on their PC's and laptops. Why? Because Microsoft developed this with the mobile market in mind and the the home pc user.
Anyway, I've kind or ran off on a tangent here. But I hope the specs for the One X + are what they say they are going to be and if nothing changes I plan to buy one.
One drawback, looks like AT&T will be the carrier featuring the One X + at first. I left ATT years ago after being a customer for like 8 years (I was with Cingular before which ATT bought out) and switched to Sprint. Now that my contract is up I was thinking Verizon because of the S III, the main reason I went to Sprint was because they had the HTC EVO 4G (or were going to, it had yet to be released at the time). And so I did.. Then Sprint drops WiMax to go with LTE thus rendering the already useless 4G obsolete. I just lived in an area with no WiMax coverage initially.
But for as long as I've had my EVO I've used the 4G twice when I was in Atlanta and that's it. My friend has the SIII and gets 4G all over my area.
In a nutshell, I really would hate to go to AT&T again just for the ONe X +, perhaps an exploit will come out so that we may be able to network unlock the device. We'll see I guess...
The S4 beat the tegra 3 even though it was only dual core compared to the quad core... Benchmars etc
So it's yet to be seen if the tegra 3+ beats the s4 in the 920. Having completely different operating systems doesn't make a good comparison though.
I'm actually thinking if getting the oneX+ since I skipped the original oneX, but I like Windows Phone and I could just keep my titan and get the oneX+.
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Well guys, the HTC One X + is supposed to be the next big thing. Supposed to have the potential to dominate the iPhone 5, Galaxy S III and Lumia 920 (already has dominated the Lumia seeing as how it's a WIndows phone).
But is it the next phone that I should buy? All signs point to yes!
Here is a comparison between the HTC One X + and the Lumia 920...
Screen Display - HTC One X+ offers a 4.7 inch S-LCD2 display and Nokia Lumia 920 sports a 4.5-inch screen display. HTC claimed that their device is perfect for outdoor viewing which is countered by Nokia's colorful tiles.
Winner: HTC One X+
Processor - The HTC One X+ has a chip upgrade from its predecessor and is powered by a 1.7GHz quad-core chip with 1GB of RAM. Nokia Lumia 920, on the other hand, has a dual-core 1.5GHz Snapdragon processor.
Winner: HTC One X+
Operating System - Nokia Lumia 920 is running with Windows Phone 8, which is also a new version of the company's mobile software and promises greater experience. However, the new HTC One X+ comes with the Android v4.1 Jelly Bean.
Winner: Draw
Camera - Both devices have 8 megapixels rear camera. However, Nokia Lumia 920 boasts PureView camera that can capture sharp and vivid images.
Winner: Nokia Lumia 920
Battery - HTC One X+ sports a 2100 mAh battery that promises longer battery life, which is slightly higher than Nokia Lumia 920's 2000 mAh battery. However, Nokia is equipped with wireless charging feature that allows user to enjoy longer use of the device.
Winner: Nokia Lumia 920
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Either way, I'll be getting the HTC One X +, I've refused to have been iPwnd for years now and will never submit to Apple. Let's face it, iOS is inferior to Android in every way (at least in my opinion).
What do you guys think?
HTC One X + the way to go???
Thanks!
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Sorry. All of these advantages has been outweighed that its a goddamn Tegra 3 which is slow and inefficient. Best of all its made by NVIDIA means no support. Look at those poor Tegra 2 phone/tablet owners having no drivers! I pity them. They should have went for the Snapdragon S4 Quad.
Well the differences in processor (at least to me) is the same as with PC's and Laptops. I grew up in the 90's when Intel was all you ever saw or heard about. They pretty much changed the world with their designs. Then, later on, Advanced Micro Devices shows up and offers nearly the same processing power (but with the bonus of a 64 bit architecture) at 1/4 of the price.
Today you, when building a new PC, choosing to go with Intel or AMD is like choosing between Nike and Reebok when buying a pair of tennis shoes. The quality of both is near the same but the prices are much different.
I'm not sure how price factors in to different processors for mobile phones but I'm certain there is a difference. And with that said I don't think you could go wrong no matter which processor you chose. Lol! Maybe one day we'll be able to choose the type of hardware that goes in our smart phones such as processor, amount/type of RAM, internal solid state storage and perhaps even more or less advanced GPU's.
One thing that I'm happy about is that the HTC One X + will offer a true Quad core processor in the US as opposed to the HTC One X which only offered Quad core in Europe I believe and dual core capability in the US. I wonder how much of a difference that really made though...
Anyway, as I stated in an earlier post, I've never been a fan of any Windows mobile OS. Although, I did own a Samsung Blackjack II several years ago and it ran Windows Mobile and worked well. But there was nothing else to compare it to other than Blackberry's OS. And this phone was supposed to rival the Blackberry as they pretty much dominated the mobile market at that time.
The next phone I bought after the Blackjack II was the EVO 4G. At that point the Android OS had been out for sometime starting with the Google G1 which was one of the most innovative devices ever to hit the mobile market. Now I will give Apple a nibble of credit here. iOS and the iPhone were extremely innovative devices and tons of people love the iPhone.
But 95% of us here on the forums at XDA no better. You are so limited with what you can do with and iPhone but with an Android device... Well, the possibilities are quite literally endless.
Long live Android!!!!
By the way, the comparison I posted above was the only one I could find. I would like to see how the One X + stacks up against the SIII spec for spec. If anyone can find a good compare please post.
Thanks!
Everyone will be a winner if they choose either one
I like the one X+ but idk,I don't like tegra 3 even the improved version...Maybe because of the fact that it's built on 40nm architecture makes it feel old,not to mention that the ULP geforce GPU is nowhere as good as mali or adreno 225/320.The non-removable battery seems a pain in the *** too,especially for people who keep their phones for 2 years+ like me.Also htc sense is pretty heavy imo and I'm not sure if they fixed the multitasking issue or not.
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I like the one X+ but idk,I don't like tegra 3 even the improved version...Maybe because of the fact that it's built on 40nm architecture makes it feel old,not to mention that the ULP geforce GPU is nowhere as good as mali or adreno 225/320.The non-removable battery seems a pain in the *** too,especially for people who keep their phones for 2 years+ like me.Also htc sense is pretty heavy imo and I'm not sure if they fixed the multitasking issue or not.
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Basically Tegra 3 is the worst of all quad-core processors.
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Basically Tegra 3 is the worst of all quad-core processors.
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It crushes Galaxy SIII (int quadcore version) in quadrant. I wouldn't call that weak.
Screens will be very close. Both will be top notch LCD screens so no issues there. Pure Motion is supposed to be good. The only issue will be size. 4.7 vs 4.5. Brightness on the HOX is already good.
S4 is better than T3, T3 is better for gaming with exclusive THD games. S4 performs better on the battery. My sister has the S4 in her HOS and works wonders.
S4 also incorporates a very good DAC which will beat the T3 although Beats audio is a gimmick. But doesn't sound too bad.
Cameras both will be good, Nokia may edge it with OIS. Video recording will be better on the Nokia again with OIS and possibly higher frame rates.
All personal preferences as two totally different OSs.
Now if Nokia made Android devices...
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It crushes Galaxy SIII (int quadcore version) in quadrant. I wouldn't call that weak.
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Crushes? It beats it by a little and yet, the S3 kicks the one x in the booty. Any known the devoloper, hacker will tell u not to rely on quadrant too much, a benchmark tool that gives u 2 very different scores after each run. Run antutu.
Lol the gs3/evolte & n920 already dominate the ip5
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You can't argue about a higher clock speed being faster. In most cases a 1.7ghzx4 will be faster then a 1.4ghzx4. So ofcours the new tegra will be faster.
BUT is it sitting on a 28nm qualcomm chipset that gets ridiculous battery life's at ultra high fsb speeds?
All bull**** aside,the tegra will be faster but might lack development and is nowhere near s4/s4pro technology
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That may not be true. A 3ghz I7. For example would destroy a 3.5ghz i5. Clockspeed is not always king
I personally don't care about benchmarks,I care about how smooth the experience is.Touchwiz is lighter than sense so real life performance might still be better on the GS3,that's not something I'm sure of but well my point is that benchmarks don't mean anything except for GPU benchmarks maybe.The galaxy nexus-for example- is super smooth even with an outdated chip(the nexus' benchmark scores are less than half what the S3 or the one X can achieve).
I have experienced the tegra 3 with my one x all I can say is wait for a quad a15 architecture Qualcomm, tegra 4 or exynos 5. Believe me tegra 3 is bad due to it being 40nm it heats up really easy when playing a game. After experiencing Qualcomm s2 on desire hd I will stick with Qualcomm next time until tegra make something really mouth watering.
I have already seen the benchmarks of tegra 3+ it is on pair with S4 pro with 7500 quadrant score and 14000 on linpack and 850 I think on sunspider. Benchmark wise the tegra 3+ is a massive improvement its not low like tegra 3 due to the bandwidth being increased and switching from DDR2 to DDR3. The only problem with tegra 3+ is its not A15 and its 40nm with doesn't affect benchmark performance but it does affect experience.
I do believe the HTC one x+ when it comes out it will have excellent battery life and performance but the only think I don't like is the camera performance, out put speakers are poor compared to other flagships, and it has that camera hump.
I want to see a phone like HTC one x but 4.3 inch with a sd card then I'll say I'm impressed the only phone I have ever seen that ticks the most boxes is iPhone 4s because it's small and powerful with a good camera, speaker are the best, microphones and design. Like the HTC one x+ but it's to big the camera sticks out and it made of polycarbonate which on my white HTC one x gets really dirty. I also like heavy phones even if HTC one x+ is good it no where near feels as good as HTC desire hd weighing at 168 grams that feels solid.
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By the time the One X+ is out, the T3 will be an obsolete platform... especially compared to the S4 Pro Quad that will probably become commonplace.
Couple that with a fixed battery, no options for microSD expansion, and you have a phone that is not very future proof. I guess that's more important to me than for others though. 64gb of maximum internal storage is nothing to drool about, especially in a phone that hasn't even been released. Though again, the effects of this limitation are more pronounced for those who run/hike/mountaineer in places with no internet reception so internet access/streaming is really limited and you hate having to constantly trade music on/off your phone to make space.
Do people still buy phones to be future proof? I would have thought that if you were concerned about that, I you have a plan to upgrade every 18/24 months?
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You have to care more about software than hardware if you want a future-proof device.The optimus G for example is probably the most powerful smartphone on earth but is it going to see any updates ? Probably not.Maybe only a buggy jelly bean firmware that will take months to be released then you are stuck with no more updates and a locked bootloader.
You could always go with the LG Nexus if you're concerned about updates. But then again, we're only hearing about an 8 gig model with no SDCard at this point.
I'm (im)patiently waiting to get my first Android phone before the end of the year. Current front runners are the One X+ and LG Nexus if they can up the storage and definitely have LTE on AT&T. Not seeing anything else out there currently that interests me. GS3 is nice, but I want a brighter screen and don't care for the plastic housing. Love the feel of the current One X.
Choices, choices!
I've been following the new Lumia 920 since it was first rumored. Even after it was officially announced and the massive disappointment set in that it had nothing remotely close to the Pureview sensor, the saving grace was the optical stabilization and the idea of getting a smartphone with actual next-gen imaging capabilities that was a clear improvement over the same generic 8MP shooters the competition had been recycling for over two years. I checked google every day for "lumia 920", setting it to 24hrs and looking at the first two pages. However, the weeks turned into months, and even though there is a tentative November release date, the competition has already wrecnhed away a significant part of my interest in the Lumia, now that the holiday wars are starting. They should've never thought getting in the fray at this heated time would be a smart move.
When the Lumia 920 was announced, the best thing around was the Galaxy S III and the One X, both of which had already been a few months old and neither of which I liked. The One X I owned and wasn't wowed by. The Galaxy S III, another plasticky Samsung phone with a gaudy AMOLED screen that I had grown weary of after owning a half dozen Samsung phones prior. The iPhone5 came and went and I never cared for it either. Sony offerings were still a joke, and LG was half-hearted with the Optimus 4x. The Lumia 920 was the only one on my list. It was a guaranteed buy.
However, Nokia just kept pushing its luck, squandering their advantage, and now it's holiday season and the big guns are coming out with their 2012 Q4 lineup. LG has their Optimus G and even better Nexus 4 coming out. Motorola with their Razr M and Razr HD. HTC with their gorgeous looking 5" 1080p screen on the DNA/Butterfly. Sony with a possible Nexus 5. Asus and it's padfone 2. And other brands like Oppo throwing their hat in the flagship ring.
Windows Phone 8 is looking archaic in comparison. Microsoft still refuses to demo the rest of the UI. What can be seen looks no different than WP7 aside from more live tiles crammed in front. The slickness of the UI is basically a moot point by now. Android has reached parity with their quad-core phnoes, even without the help of JellyBean. The transitions on many of the custom skins are more complicated but just as smooth as any of the stark flying stuff on Windows Phone. This wasn't true a few months ago, when only the Galaxy S III's touchwiz looked truly smooth and all other Android phones, like the One X for example, couldn't quite make it. This smoothness is accompanied by far more functionality, with notification centers and widgets and everything else Android is known for. Windows Phone's signature smoothness, once a breath of fresh air from the choppy Android, falls to the wayside, and now there's nothing of real substance that makes it stand out above the Android competition.
The two traits of the Lumia 920 that kept me waiting for it are slowly losing their luster. The build quality is grand, but at this point I am fine with anything NOT Samsung made, and there are lots of premium quality phones to choose from. The harder one to swallow is the PureView camera, especially its top-class nightshot abilities. However, the 8MP camera really isn't better than anything out there, if you have a steady hand. I will lose the splendid night-taking abilities, but on further thought it really isn't that important to have to begin with. The biggest standout on Android phones right now is how big the screens can get while still maintaining such a small size with their thin bezels.
The Lumia 920 really needs to get released soon, and at a very competitive price.
I believe it will fail and we may see the slow death of Nokia. Android is getting stronger by the day and as much as I was tempted by a W8 phone I can't see myself leaving Android. Jellybean has bought many improvements things like Google Now and such.
The rumoured price for the L920 is high, higher than some top end Android phones!
Again we will need to see what WP8 offers because at the moment there are loads of core apps missing.
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I use android phones on daily basis and also from time to time my ip5. But will for sure get the 920, still looks damn sweet to me. And wp8 will be fun play around with for a change..
That doesn't say i not gona get the new nexus, htc, lg tho... but that is just android so not mutch new that will make me drool.
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I gave up waiting. I am disappointed with Nokia. In the end l went with the GN2 which has made me a very happy chappy!
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The harder one to swallow is the PureView camera, especially its top-class nightshot abilities. However, the 8MP camera really isn't better than anything out there, if you have a steady hand. I will lose the splendid night-taking abilities, but on further thought it really isn't that important to have to begin with.
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I have also stopped waiting and have ordered the Gnote 2 instead.
Aside from the build quality, camera, there really isn't anything that special the 920.
Windows Phone 8 is the same as WP7, with the new features being Microsoft merely playing catchup to Android- eg yay we now have NFC, microsd cards, drag and drop...Android has had this since the start...
More importantly, there is no app ecosystem with Windows phone and IF this is going to change (it probably will eventually), its going to take at least 12 months, in which time I'll reassess the latest Nokia flagship then.
For example, medical apps are pretty much non existent on WP with no plans from any of the big players to branch out into a market which has <4% market share. Even if this doubles in the next 12 months...8% is not a huge reason for devs to work on the platform.
Imo its too little too late from Microsoft...they're barely competing on quality with android and they're definitely not competing on price (which they could but won't)..so what's left?
In the meantime I will surely love my Gnote2 and reassess everything in 12 months
This Forbes article sums up WP8 really well: http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspe...-microsoft-windows-phone-8-is-not-a-surprise/
The GN2 won't disappoint you.
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I don't get it. How is the Lumia losing due to delays? The WP8 OS isn't even released yet (as in officially announced as released). Wasn't intended to be released until the PC OS was released (which was yesterday) and the announcement for WP8 is Monday.
Now, Lumia is not being released by AT&T until November 11th. I don't see how this is really founded.
The price point rumored will be $149 for upgrade so I think that is a VERY affordable price.
Maybe it's just me...
It was announced in September with no firm price or pre order date still (talking about outright for non US).
Outright price is rumoured to be $700 which is greater than the Gn2.
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It was announced in September with no firm price or pre order date still (talking about outright for non US).
Outright price is rumoured to be $700 which is greater than the Gn2.
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Yeah, it was announced back then. Windows 8 was announced long before that. Nokia may have been a little early on announcement, but to say that it has been plagued with delays in pretty unfounded as no firm dates were announced until the Windows 8 release date was announced. None of those dates slipped.
As for the outright price point, no firm announcements, but the HTC 8X is coming in at $599, so I would imagine it would be around there or a little higher.
I prefer this over the GN2, simply because I'm starting to get bored of android, but the 920 is a beautiful device anyway. Can't wait and the delays don't really bother me if I'm honest.
Dont get me wrong, I love the phone too and think the hardware is absolutely gorgeous
However, I can't bring myself to use a platform which is so underwhelming and unsupported by the developer community.
From someone which has direct access to the sdk- Wp8 is going to be the same as wp7 with catch up features to Android (eg micro sd support) + skydrive sync + kids corner + rooms. Nothing special.
As someone who was completely underwhelmed by Wp7, this along with the lack of apps isn't enough to get me to jump to Wp8 despite my boredom with android as well.
In 12 months the platform will hopefully mature more, at which point I'll take a look at the Nokia 930 or whatever second gen phone it brings out then.
I am still getting it. Actually got in on the pre-order with best buy for 599 retail. Loved my Note but shelved it and returnded my ip5 and sold my gs3 for the Lumia 900 and happy. The 920 will be the tits
A smart person will wait a few months and see how the platform develops. I'd love to get one on release day probably get one sim free off Amazon with returns period of 30 days then see how the platform does actually develop.
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A smart person will wait a few months and see how the platform develops. I'd love to get one on release day probably get one sim free off Amazon with returns period of 30 days then see how the platform does actually develop.
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Maybe if your coming from Android or IOS that may be the case. If you have a windows phone already its a no brainer. Windows 8 is fantastic I think so I see wp8 doing well. Won't knock of Android or IOS but Blackberry is in deep trouble.
I've owned a WP7 phone before. The Samsung Focus Flash. Was not impressed. I also played around alot with the Nokia 900. It's nice and slick and all that, but once you get past the superficial stuff, there isn't much underneath. I recently downloaded Letterpress for my iPad. Some reviewers were claiming it was the new Words with Friends. It had a very Metro inspired UI. It was slick and cool for a good minute. Then it got boring, and I found out I couldn't chat with players, do rematch games, and it wouldn't even notify me about games I lost. It made a great analogy for WP in general.
Honestly I still really like the Lumia 920 style and build. The 900 was great too. If only they weren't running WP7/8. I like super-solid and seamless unibody phones that look good. I also cannot sacrifice camera. Nokia is really the only true contender in this regard. HTC has a softer, more baggy version of a unibody polycarbonate phone, and a franky terrible camera (in my eyes only apparently). LG, Sony, and Samsung don't cut it in the build and style side. Motorola has good build, but man are their phones butt-ugly. Terrible camera as well. Build + Camera = Nokia.
But all the other factors come into play and you can't throw away everything else on your priority list just for the top two. If the Lumia 920 was running Android, it would drastically change the game and my perception of its value. Sadly, they are persevering still with WP, and MS hasn't stepped it up to make it compelling besides wasting money on pathetic attack ads.
BTW to the people who say the phone wasn't delayed. Yes we knew WP8 wasn't gonna get released until late 2012 and no official dates were set for the phone release. That's not the point. There was this great stretch of a few months after the Galaxy S III launch that Microsoft could've taken to its advantage. That's why I say they squandered it. It's not an official delay, but for everyone involved, the people waiting, and the people selling, it is an unfortunate time to release it now. Even the iPhone5 was saying "hey! I'm gonna cut you some slack! Even though I'm gonna sell millions, I'm gonna tinker a bit with my factories, add a bit of scuffing, and delay full production til later in the year! You can have a head start and woo over the handful of my followers who are tired of looking at my backorder page! And that second wave of Android phones hasn't arrived yet! Don't waste the chance!" If Microsoft is still thinking it can compete in a face-to-face battle with iOS and Android, its future is doomed.
If you follow video game releases, you will know that a flood of games are also released around the holiday months, late Oct-Nov-Dec. The saturation of games makes it difficult for many lesser known games to stand out. They get trampled by the big name franchises. That's why so many are delayed to January and February, even though they are finished products. Microsoft doesn't have the luxury to delay it til next year. Unlike video games, in the smartphone world, you have to live at the bleeding edge, or become obsolete. Nokia's hardware is basically being dragged down by Microsoft's software. Why is Windows Phone still incomplete after years of development and then an additional two years already on the market? And billions spent?
Then there's Microsoft's problem of trying to confuse consumers by flooding the market with half a dozen similar sounding and not wholly compatible products. Windows 8. Windows Phone 8. Windows RT. Microsoft Surface. Microsoft Surface with Windows RT. They are somehow suppose to synergize with each other by being released all at once. If I wasn't so well read on all of these things, I would be hopelessly lost. In the sea of Microsoft ads, you just might remember something yellow and shiny. Is it a phone? A tablet? A deskop operating system? Or was it the other way around? Youtube and Hulu are being flooded with Windows 8 et al. right now. The only good thing is that they are overspending my local GOP SuperPAC's attack ads. So tired of listening about America turning into socialist Russia.
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If the Lumia 920 was running Android, it would drastically change the game and my perception of its value. Sadly, they are persevering still with WP
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+1 I'd buy the phone in an instant if it ran android.
Nokia would easily usurp HTC and its uninspiring designs if it was in the Android game. Samsung has gotten so far ahead now that IMO only Nokia can be a true rival.
Of course they need to get on board Android first...which I can't see happening with Elop at the helm.
i cant hang on more
nokia u r failing the customers satisfaction. if u cant provide the 920, why launching it this early? i may buy optimus G.huh..!!
Omg the nexus 4 is only $299 for 8gb version!
Omg the nexus 4 is only $299 for 8gb version!
Omg the nexus 4 is only $299 for 8gb version!
I am selling my Galaxy Note 2 that I have had for a couple weeks (international version) to get the Lumia 920. I have owned just about every phone in the AT&T lineup and am bored with both the iphones and androids. Time to mix it up.
I currently have a Microsoft Surface, Lenovo Yoga 13, and a Samsung Ativ 500t on order to play around with the latest products for Windows. Exciting time for us geeks for sure.
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I am selling my Galaxy Note 2 that I have had for a couple weeks (international version) to get the Lumia 920. I have owned just about every phone in the AT&T lineup and am bored with both the iphones and androids. Time to mix it up.
I currently have a Microsoft Surface, Lenovo Yoga 13, and a Samsung Ativ 500t on order to play around with the latest products for Windows. Exciting time for us geeks for sure.
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Once I hit the lottery, or rob a bank, I'll join you! Or find Obama's secret college transcripts and give it to Trump!
Is this the logical upgrade that it looks?
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Is this the logical upgrade that it looks?
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Not for 750-800 Euro`s retail :silly:
Well the 920 was rather steeply priced when it first appeared.
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Is this the logical upgrade that it looks?
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well, its a different class pretty much.
its better equipped and such (unless you're looking at AT&T, the US carrier carrying the 1520) but then again its larger, which could be either a plus or minus.
Personally, I'd prefer the 920, but if you value big screens, the 1520 could be the way to go. I personally don't expect to see a complete 92x series successor until a significant WP upgrade drops, like 8.1 perhaps.
1520 ticks all the boxes pretty much for me and definetly an upgrade however if it's priced anything over £520 it's not worth it. £500 is fine I would choose this over Note 3, which incidently I also owned.
Love the design build quality camera size...only downside is ofcourse lack of good apps.
If it's too pricey will probably wait for price to fall as I did with nokia lumia 920 which I bought for £165.00.
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Is this the logical upgrade that it looks?
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I wanted the 1020 but wasn't happy as it was just the same body and battery as the lumia 920 so was extremely happy when they announced the lumia 1520
Few reasons why I need it
1) Its got the new Faster Processor and more ram ( future proof)
2) Support for RAW files ( I buy my phones based on their cameras and so this is BIG for me)
Sure the lumia 1020 will support raw as well but those 41mp are just overkill while the 1520's 20mp is more manageble
3) Bigger Battery and Bigger screen so editing etc will be more fun.
I just hope Nokia comes with a built in Raw editor in the future and proper HDR in camera ( I know it dos bracketing shots) but hdr in camera would be benefit or a software to deal with it
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I wanted the 1020 but wasn't happy as it was just the same body and battery as the lumia 920 so was extremely happy when they announced the lumia 1520
Few reasons why I need it
1) Its got the new Faster Processor and more ram ( future proof)
2) Support for RAW files ( I buy my phones based on their cameras and so this is BIG for me)
Sure the lumia 1020 will support raw as well but those 41mp are just overkill while the 1520's 20mp is more manageble
3) Bigger Battery and Bigger screen so editing etc will be more fun.
I just hope Nokia comes with a built in Raw editor in the future and proper HDR in camera ( I know it dos bracketing shots) but hdr in camera would be benefit or a software to deal with it
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So you rather go with 12 GB available storage for your RAW images??
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So you rather go with 12 GB available storage for your RAW images??
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dont forget about being able to add 64gb micro sd
if i were you i would wait for WP 8.1 to appear.. well see, there will be some new devices then - and probably the devices will do a "jump" like we expect WP 8.1 to bring... also i never buy the first device of a new "family" just for the case that there was a problem with the new design...
that saved me back in the days when they changed the iPhone 4 design and had issues, with the antenna
Nope
Not for me. Im buing new Lumia 920 next month.
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Not for me. Im buing new Lumia 920 next month.
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i usin L920 almost 8 month and for now dont see reason to spend lot money for new models... 920 work great
I like big phone and want one
Still very happy with my 920, everything runs as it should and battery life is good. This is the first phone I had for this long, usualy I changed phone every 2-3 months on android.
I loved my 920 and was very happy with it, Now have a 1520 and it is so much of an upgrade, The screen is a beauty and I actually like the new tile layout, The camera is great compared to the 920s of which I wasn't overly impressed,
Performance wise it is flawless whatever I ask of it, Not that windows phone has ever been slow or laggy but this really is so fluid,
Lumia Black is preinstalled and I had the update through the other day via preview for devs to 10521, Little touches like the coloured glance screen clock are very nice amongst everything that comes with GDR3.
It is a very big phone though so will not be to everyone's taste, If you have large hands and pockets then go for it :fingers-crossed:
I wonder if the 1520 will get the WP9 update from MS
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I wonder if the 1520 will get the WP9 update from MS
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possibly not... it's early to discuss about this... ask question when Microsoft release official hardware compatibility list for WP9... also rumors says WP9 will not be compatible with WP8 because MS start build WP9 from scratch
Just bought one brand new for $400.00 and why don't we have forum for the 1520?
It is too big...
Maybe if rumored Lumia 929 becomes real. :]
Well Lumia 1520 screen is too big. I know it is phablet. But not handy if you want use as phone. I upgraded my Lumia 928 to Lumia Icon and 5" screen for one hand is big. But I'm happy with it. But most of things what I like Verizon Lumia models - design.
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I myself have decided to join the Windows phone gang recently. I find 1520 way too big to operate, so I got a 920 instead. Some of my fav wallpapers are not Full HD so I dont have to worry about the pics get stretched.
I've had the Lumia 800 for coming up to two years now and shortly I'll be due an upgrade. I'm tempted to go for the Lumia 925 as I like the layout of Windows Mobile. I would hate to go back to a none windows phone with their rows and rows of boring icons which don't do anything. However, I'm acutely aware of the shortage of major apps for Windows Mobile which was slightly holding me back, that is, until I purchased a Nexus 7 a few months back. The Nexus Tablet now gives me access to pretty much any app I desire. Therefore, I'm now pretty close to deciding to go with the 925.
I just wondered if any members had done the same upgrade, from the 800 to the 925, and what their experiences have been, good or bad. You will know that Lumia 800 users were recently upgraded to Windows 7.8 as opposed to the 7.5 version after Microsoft saw fit to leave us behind with the advent of windows 8 mobile. Following the 7.8 upgrade I now have access to re-sizeable tiles etc. and various other things found on Windows 8 mobile, so I have a slight idea what windows 8 mobile might be like.
Basically what I'm wanting is for somebody to say, yay it's a good idea, or nay, it isn't.
Many thanks.
Shaun
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Shaun,
I just swapped from my trusty 800 to a black 32GB 925 on VF UK. I got a 6GB 3G + 6GB 4G deal. I did consider getting a 1020, which I think is even better, but right now they are just too expensive for me.
The 925 is brilliant, I'm running the GDR3 update. Getting WP8 apps like Bing News and Nokia Camera, and all the other little tweaks has made my phone experience exciting again.
Looking back at an 800 now, makes it seem like a small, toy'ish phone by comparison.
No regrets whatsoever.
R.