I've been following the new Lumia 920 since it was first rumored. Even after it was officially announced and the massive disappointment set in that it had nothing remotely close to the Pureview sensor, the saving grace was the optical stabilization and the idea of getting a smartphone with actual next-gen imaging capabilities that was a clear improvement over the same generic 8MP shooters the competition had been recycling for over two years. I checked google every day for "lumia 920", setting it to 24hrs and looking at the first two pages. However, the weeks turned into months, and even though there is a tentative November release date, the competition has already wrecnhed away a significant part of my interest in the Lumia, now that the holiday wars are starting. They should've never thought getting in the fray at this heated time would be a smart move.
When the Lumia 920 was announced, the best thing around was the Galaxy S III and the One X, both of which had already been a few months old and neither of which I liked. The One X I owned and wasn't wowed by. The Galaxy S III, another plasticky Samsung phone with a gaudy AMOLED screen that I had grown weary of after owning a half dozen Samsung phones prior. The iPhone5 came and went and I never cared for it either. Sony offerings were still a joke, and LG was half-hearted with the Optimus 4x. The Lumia 920 was the only one on my list. It was a guaranteed buy.
However, Nokia just kept pushing its luck, squandering their advantage, and now it's holiday season and the big guns are coming out with their 2012 Q4 lineup. LG has their Optimus G and even better Nexus 4 coming out. Motorola with their Razr M and Razr HD. HTC with their gorgeous looking 5" 1080p screen on the DNA/Butterfly. Sony with a possible Nexus 5. Asus and it's padfone 2. And other brands like Oppo throwing their hat in the flagship ring.
Windows Phone 8 is looking archaic in comparison. Microsoft still refuses to demo the rest of the UI. What can be seen looks no different than WP7 aside from more live tiles crammed in front. The slickness of the UI is basically a moot point by now. Android has reached parity with their quad-core phnoes, even without the help of JellyBean. The transitions on many of the custom skins are more complicated but just as smooth as any of the stark flying stuff on Windows Phone. This wasn't true a few months ago, when only the Galaxy S III's touchwiz looked truly smooth and all other Android phones, like the One X for example, couldn't quite make it. This smoothness is accompanied by far more functionality, with notification centers and widgets and everything else Android is known for. Windows Phone's signature smoothness, once a breath of fresh air from the choppy Android, falls to the wayside, and now there's nothing of real substance that makes it stand out above the Android competition.
The two traits of the Lumia 920 that kept me waiting for it are slowly losing their luster. The build quality is grand, but at this point I am fine with anything NOT Samsung made, and there are lots of premium quality phones to choose from. The harder one to swallow is the PureView camera, especially its top-class nightshot abilities. However, the 8MP camera really isn't better than anything out there, if you have a steady hand. I will lose the splendid night-taking abilities, but on further thought it really isn't that important to have to begin with. The biggest standout on Android phones right now is how big the screens can get while still maintaining such a small size with their thin bezels.
The Lumia 920 really needs to get released soon, and at a very competitive price.
I believe it will fail and we may see the slow death of Nokia. Android is getting stronger by the day and as much as I was tempted by a W8 phone I can't see myself leaving Android. Jellybean has bought many improvements things like Google Now and such.
The rumoured price for the L920 is high, higher than some top end Android phones!
Again we will need to see what WP8 offers because at the moment there are loads of core apps missing.
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I use android phones on daily basis and also from time to time my ip5. But will for sure get the 920, still looks damn sweet to me. And wp8 will be fun play around with for a change..
That doesn't say i not gona get the new nexus, htc, lg tho... but that is just android so not mutch new that will make me drool.
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I gave up waiting. I am disappointed with Nokia. In the end l went with the GN2 which has made me a very happy chappy!
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The harder one to swallow is the PureView camera, especially its top-class nightshot abilities. However, the 8MP camera really isn't better than anything out there, if you have a steady hand. I will lose the splendid night-taking abilities, but on further thought it really isn't that important to have to begin with.
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I have also stopped waiting and have ordered the Gnote 2 instead.
Aside from the build quality, camera, there really isn't anything that special the 920.
Windows Phone 8 is the same as WP7, with the new features being Microsoft merely playing catchup to Android- eg yay we now have NFC, microsd cards, drag and drop...Android has had this since the start...
More importantly, there is no app ecosystem with Windows phone and IF this is going to change (it probably will eventually), its going to take at least 12 months, in which time I'll reassess the latest Nokia flagship then.
For example, medical apps are pretty much non existent on WP with no plans from any of the big players to branch out into a market which has <4% market share. Even if this doubles in the next 12 months...8% is not a huge reason for devs to work on the platform.
Imo its too little too late from Microsoft...they're barely competing on quality with android and they're definitely not competing on price (which they could but won't)..so what's left?
In the meantime I will surely love my Gnote2 and reassess everything in 12 months
This Forbes article sums up WP8 really well: http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspe...-microsoft-windows-phone-8-is-not-a-surprise/
The GN2 won't disappoint you.
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I don't get it. How is the Lumia losing due to delays? The WP8 OS isn't even released yet (as in officially announced as released). Wasn't intended to be released until the PC OS was released (which was yesterday) and the announcement for WP8 is Monday.
Now, Lumia is not being released by AT&T until November 11th. I don't see how this is really founded.
The price point rumored will be $149 for upgrade so I think that is a VERY affordable price.
Maybe it's just me...
It was announced in September with no firm price or pre order date still (talking about outright for non US).
Outright price is rumoured to be $700 which is greater than the Gn2.
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It was announced in September with no firm price or pre order date still (talking about outright for non US).
Outright price is rumoured to be $700 which is greater than the Gn2.
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Yeah, it was announced back then. Windows 8 was announced long before that. Nokia may have been a little early on announcement, but to say that it has been plagued with delays in pretty unfounded as no firm dates were announced until the Windows 8 release date was announced. None of those dates slipped.
As for the outright price point, no firm announcements, but the HTC 8X is coming in at $599, so I would imagine it would be around there or a little higher.
I prefer this over the GN2, simply because I'm starting to get bored of android, but the 920 is a beautiful device anyway. Can't wait and the delays don't really bother me if I'm honest.
Dont get me wrong, I love the phone too and think the hardware is absolutely gorgeous
However, I can't bring myself to use a platform which is so underwhelming and unsupported by the developer community.
From someone which has direct access to the sdk- Wp8 is going to be the same as wp7 with catch up features to Android (eg micro sd support) + skydrive sync + kids corner + rooms. Nothing special.
As someone who was completely underwhelmed by Wp7, this along with the lack of apps isn't enough to get me to jump to Wp8 despite my boredom with android as well.
In 12 months the platform will hopefully mature more, at which point I'll take a look at the Nokia 930 or whatever second gen phone it brings out then.
I am still getting it. Actually got in on the pre-order with best buy for 599 retail. Loved my Note but shelved it and returnded my ip5 and sold my gs3 for the Lumia 900 and happy. The 920 will be the tits
A smart person will wait a few months and see how the platform develops. I'd love to get one on release day probably get one sim free off Amazon with returns period of 30 days then see how the platform does actually develop.
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A smart person will wait a few months and see how the platform develops. I'd love to get one on release day probably get one sim free off Amazon with returns period of 30 days then see how the platform does actually develop.
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Maybe if your coming from Android or IOS that may be the case. If you have a windows phone already its a no brainer. Windows 8 is fantastic I think so I see wp8 doing well. Won't knock of Android or IOS but Blackberry is in deep trouble.
I've owned a WP7 phone before. The Samsung Focus Flash. Was not impressed. I also played around alot with the Nokia 900. It's nice and slick and all that, but once you get past the superficial stuff, there isn't much underneath. I recently downloaded Letterpress for my iPad. Some reviewers were claiming it was the new Words with Friends. It had a very Metro inspired UI. It was slick and cool for a good minute. Then it got boring, and I found out I couldn't chat with players, do rematch games, and it wouldn't even notify me about games I lost. It made a great analogy for WP in general.
Honestly I still really like the Lumia 920 style and build. The 900 was great too. If only they weren't running WP7/8. I like super-solid and seamless unibody phones that look good. I also cannot sacrifice camera. Nokia is really the only true contender in this regard. HTC has a softer, more baggy version of a unibody polycarbonate phone, and a franky terrible camera (in my eyes only apparently). LG, Sony, and Samsung don't cut it in the build and style side. Motorola has good build, but man are their phones butt-ugly. Terrible camera as well. Build + Camera = Nokia.
But all the other factors come into play and you can't throw away everything else on your priority list just for the top two. If the Lumia 920 was running Android, it would drastically change the game and my perception of its value. Sadly, they are persevering still with WP, and MS hasn't stepped it up to make it compelling besides wasting money on pathetic attack ads.
BTW to the people who say the phone wasn't delayed. Yes we knew WP8 wasn't gonna get released until late 2012 and no official dates were set for the phone release. That's not the point. There was this great stretch of a few months after the Galaxy S III launch that Microsoft could've taken to its advantage. That's why I say they squandered it. It's not an official delay, but for everyone involved, the people waiting, and the people selling, it is an unfortunate time to release it now. Even the iPhone5 was saying "hey! I'm gonna cut you some slack! Even though I'm gonna sell millions, I'm gonna tinker a bit with my factories, add a bit of scuffing, and delay full production til later in the year! You can have a head start and woo over the handful of my followers who are tired of looking at my backorder page! And that second wave of Android phones hasn't arrived yet! Don't waste the chance!" If Microsoft is still thinking it can compete in a face-to-face battle with iOS and Android, its future is doomed.
If you follow video game releases, you will know that a flood of games are also released around the holiday months, late Oct-Nov-Dec. The saturation of games makes it difficult for many lesser known games to stand out. They get trampled by the big name franchises. That's why so many are delayed to January and February, even though they are finished products. Microsoft doesn't have the luxury to delay it til next year. Unlike video games, in the smartphone world, you have to live at the bleeding edge, or become obsolete. Nokia's hardware is basically being dragged down by Microsoft's software. Why is Windows Phone still incomplete after years of development and then an additional two years already on the market? And billions spent?
Then there's Microsoft's problem of trying to confuse consumers by flooding the market with half a dozen similar sounding and not wholly compatible products. Windows 8. Windows Phone 8. Windows RT. Microsoft Surface. Microsoft Surface with Windows RT. They are somehow suppose to synergize with each other by being released all at once. If I wasn't so well read on all of these things, I would be hopelessly lost. In the sea of Microsoft ads, you just might remember something yellow and shiny. Is it a phone? A tablet? A deskop operating system? Or was it the other way around? Youtube and Hulu are being flooded with Windows 8 et al. right now. The only good thing is that they are overspending my local GOP SuperPAC's attack ads. So tired of listening about America turning into socialist Russia.
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If the Lumia 920 was running Android, it would drastically change the game and my perception of its value. Sadly, they are persevering still with WP
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+1 I'd buy the phone in an instant if it ran android.
Nokia would easily usurp HTC and its uninspiring designs if it was in the Android game. Samsung has gotten so far ahead now that IMO only Nokia can be a true rival.
Of course they need to get on board Android first...which I can't see happening with Elop at the helm.
i cant hang on more
nokia u r failing the customers satisfaction. if u cant provide the 920, why launching it this early? i may buy optimus G.huh..!!
Omg the nexus 4 is only $299 for 8gb version!
Omg the nexus 4 is only $299 for 8gb version!
Omg the nexus 4 is only $299 for 8gb version!
I am selling my Galaxy Note 2 that I have had for a couple weeks (international version) to get the Lumia 920. I have owned just about every phone in the AT&T lineup and am bored with both the iphones and androids. Time to mix it up.
I currently have a Microsoft Surface, Lenovo Yoga 13, and a Samsung Ativ 500t on order to play around with the latest products for Windows. Exciting time for us geeks for sure.
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I am selling my Galaxy Note 2 that I have had for a couple weeks (international version) to get the Lumia 920. I have owned just about every phone in the AT&T lineup and am bored with both the iphones and androids. Time to mix it up.
I currently have a Microsoft Surface, Lenovo Yoga 13, and a Samsung Ativ 500t on order to play around with the latest products for Windows. Exciting time for us geeks for sure.
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Once I hit the lottery, or rob a bank, I'll join you! Or find Obama's secret college transcripts and give it to Trump!
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Right now I'm on my 2nd Galaxy Nexus (Samsung replaced my 1st one after much messing, it popped n died)
And while I like its vanilla ICS, I'm having big issues over usability due to nothing more than its screen size of 4.65"
On my old HTC Incredible S 4" I could "dance" with my thumb and get around the OS very very quickly.
Every time I stop by a cellphone store and play with the Lumia 800 it fits perfect and I get that "dance" feeling with the ways its in my hand and the speed I can get around the OS.
I'm liking WMP 7.5 a lot.
The sticking point.
Where I live there is no broadband, so I have the true "all you can eat" data plan from "three" that included tethering.
I also have line of sight of just over 100 yards to a celltower I know is "three" and can hit 8mbps average and sometimes hit 11mbps.
Am I being foolish on planning on getting a Lumia 800 with the WiFi tether when the updates is fullt rolled out and selling the GN?
You've got to get the phone that turns you on. Once tethering is available on the Lumia... if you're still madly in love with it and can accept its shortcomings.... then go with what you love.
I have to admit that most of the phones I've ever bought have been for their design aesthetic over their function or specs.
You're also asking this question in a forum where 95% of people here use the Lumia 800, so you are going to get a pretty biased answer. I can already tell you most people will say get the Lumia.
Get the phone that suits you. If you do enjoy Windows Phone and the Lumia 800 hardware, I see no reason not to get the phone unless there is something you need on the GN/Android that Windows Phone can't accomplish for you at the moment.
Probably better to answer the question in a general forum rather than one specific to a device, but even there, you'll probably start a nice little flame war from both sides saying the other one sucks. XD
I've had iPhone 3G, HTC HD7, Galaxy S and now the Lumia in the last 2 years.
You're completely right about screen size. This must vary with the size of a persons hands but for me the maximum screen size that doesn't have usability issues is 4in like the Galaxy S.
The HD7 at 4.3in caused me the same issues as you've found.
I've had a play with the Galaxy Nexus and it's a very nice piece of kit but after using the Lumia it's clear to see that the lags are still there even on a flagship phone. The Lumia is really slick and fast. I can see why you like it. I liked it so much I ditched my Galaxy S which was running ICS.
It's the best phone I've had since my iPhone. And for my money it's a nicer piece of hardware than the current iPhone design. The OS is great too, apart from a few areas where it's lacking.
The downsides are the current issues with battery life and audio quality. You're putting trust in Nokia to sort these out with software updates. Battery life in particular is a real worry, I expect to charge every day but it's struggling to get through the day which means I don't use it as much as I'd like to.
It's not foolish to get something that will (might?) work better for you. The GN is much more powerful, but if it's too big for you to use comfortably, there is not a lot you can do.
I'm a cheap whore myself and I flop between WP/ICS/MeeGo and iOS on a daily basis. The Lumia is spectacular hardware and Mango is a fantastic OS. Grab one and play with both, each has it's own set of strengths and weaknesses.
yeah, borrowing one is the hard part.
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yeah, borrowing one is the hard part.
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Ask the shop if you can test one out for a day?
they tend not to allow that
as we all know 5 minutes of fiddling in a shop is not enough
24 hours would be and ideal test.
more research required.
I've got the lumia and the GN. The form factor and build quality of the Nokia are excellent, and the interface is really smooth and a joy to use, but ...and it's a big but for me .....it desperately needs more apps. I'm not going give up on the lumia just yet, but there is no way I'd ditch my GN, or android, for the lumia at the moment.
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God i love this phone too, i used to think i might be a Android fun for a long time but i just realist that Windows Phone is good too, and the speed of Lumia 800 is really amazing.
Still no tethering
Hi all,
I agree with the previous posts. The Lumia 800 is brilliant. Smooth as silk, and quick. Software updates seem to have fixed my battery and wifi issues.
But we are now almost in March - and still no tethering, and nokia Austria says there never will be on the Lumia 800.
So you do have to factor that into your decision.
Well thats a "no" then
Silly decision
I think it is not silly.
I will quit android in the next few days (from nexus also)
Because of the apps factor, I tried to do the following:
Start to use only apps of my android (more than 200) that are in the WP market also. And I realized that I have everything I need for my work in motion.
The apps that are only in android but I want them are: skype, viber, dropbox, box.
I am sure they will be able soon, but anyway, WP has SkyDrive.
Instead most of the android apps we need just good browser.
I am sure the real software will be written for WP... soon I hope.
No Tether = no go as my tether is my broadband.
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No Tether = no go as my tether is my broadband.
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There's another post where someone said that another branch of Nokia has said that tethering will come in 2012.
So clearly, there has been no official stance on whether tethering will or won't be added to the phone, but I see no reason why it can't be added due to the phone's internals.
Nokia just needs to turn it on.
Based on past Windows Phones, etc and the Lumia's similar hardware to many Android phones, do any seasoned Windows developers think it is possible?
I'd buy the Lumia 920 in a heartbeat if it wasn't a Windows Phone.
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Based on past Windows Phones, etc and the Lumia's similar hardware to many Android phones, do any seasoned Windows developers think it is possible?
I'd buy the Lumia 920 in a heartbeat if it wasn't a Windows Phone.
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I would assume that most people would not buy this if it was an Android phone
Unless the phone was actually released I would not expect any replies on this one.
Windows phone is much better then android. The only avantage of an android phone is the freedom of modification. Windows phone is much much saver and smoother then android and the importants thing is thay you can do EVERVTHING what android also can do. So its your choice which os you prefer but for ME and many other people its wp which makes the phone much more decenter.
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Lumia Running Android? :crying:
Close thread please..
Buy a N9 and run Android on it.
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Buy a N9 and run Android on it.
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Better yet buy an Android phone...
try on 920 android whene i buy it
Honestly I'd buy this in a heartbeat if it ran Android JB. Atm only the HOX matches this phone in terms of design and hardware but the HOX is a broken product. And to all of you who claimed that this phone will not sell if it runs Android: wake up from your fanboyism. Had Nokia made Android phones they wouldnt have been losing 3 billion euro in the last 18 months including the run of the first Lumia line. Honestly 18 months ago if you'd asked people who they would buy from: Nokia or Samsung or HTC, I'm very sure that most of them would have said Nokia. Why cant they just be like Samsung, HTC and ZTE and leverage themselves on several platform? They didnt even have to contribute resources to the software, just use stock Android and they would be selling like hot cakes. The answer is clear: Elope. This guy will come down in history as the one who brought Nokia down. Period.
And PS the WP doesnt even have the apps that I've been using regular: Grindr, Jack'd, Temple run, Pixlr-o-matic, ANZ goMoney etc. In many cases there's no equivalent of them. And the WP fan boys keep saying their app store is good enough.
Good luck.
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Honestly I'd buy this in a heartbeat if it ran Android JB. Atm only the HOX matches this phone in terms of design and hardware but the HOX is a broken product. And to all of you who claimed that this phone will not sell if it runs Android: wake up from your fanboyism. Had Nokia made Android phones they wouldnt have been losing 3 billion euro in the last 18 months including the run of the first Lumia line. Honestly 18 months ago if you'd asked people who they would buy from: Nokia or Samsung or HTC, I'm very sure that most of them would have said Nokia. Why cant they just be like Samsung, HTC and ZTE and leverage themselves on several platform? They didnt even have to contribute resources to the software, just use stock Android and they would be selling like hot cakes. The answer is clear: Elope. This guy will come down in history as the one who brought Nokia down. Period.
And PS the WP doesnt even have the apps that I've been using regular: Grindr, Jack'd, Temple run, Pixlr-o-matic, ANZ goMoney etc. In many cases there's no equivalent of them. And the WP fan boys keep saying their app store is good enough.
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Actually I am sure the phone would sell if it had android on it. But simply said it doesn't and most likely will not do that anytime soon.
Everyone is entitled to use whatever OS he/she likes. If the apps you have are only available for android, then bad luck, in my opinion you are missing out.
As however was already mentioned before, this point is completely useless and even though this post is only supporting that fact, I again would like to mention:
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Nokia slept waiting for some miracle (Symbian Something or Meego, or who knows) for too long while Apple and Android (more like Samsung) grew bigger and bigger. It was under the truck before Elop was in charge (why do you think the board accepted a new foreign CEO?). If anything happens to Nokia it is because of their own fault.
Anyway I expect the 920 to really succeed, it will be great to have more players in the market. If it turns to be 50% as good as it looks, then I will buy it.
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Honestly I'd buy this in a heartbeat if it ran Android JB. Atm only the HOX matches this phone in terms of design and hardware but the HOX is a broken product. And to all of you who claimed that this phone will not sell if it runs Android: wake up from your fanboyism. Had Nokia made Android phones they wouldnt have been losing 3 billion euro in the last 18 months including the run of the first Lumia line. Honestly 18 months ago if you'd asked people who they would buy from: Nokia or Samsung or HTC, I'm very sure that most of them would have said Nokia. Why cant they just be like Samsung, HTC and ZTE and leverage themselves on several platform? They didnt even have to contribute resources to the software, just use stock Android and they would be selling like hot cakes. The answer is clear: Elope. This guy will come down in history as the one who brought Nokia down. Period.
And PS the WP doesnt even have the apps that I've been using regular: Grindr, Jack'd, Temple run, Pixlr-o-matic, ANZ goMoney etc. In many cases there's no equivalent of them. And the WP fan boys keep saying their app store is good enough.
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Actually after several years on android I might change to Windows. I noticed that since I have the freedom of doing so much personalisation on my android I'm never happy with how it looks and performs - I might as well try something new. Nokia is synonym for stability and performance (talking about the hardware) and I'm really looking forward to the camera. Off all android-specific apps I only really need one: google music - and that works by using Gooroovster.
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Actually I am sure the phone would sell if it had android on it. But simply said it doesn't and most likely will not do that anytime soon.
Everyone is entitled to use whatever OS he/she likes. If the apps you have are only available for android, then bad luck, in my opinion you are missing out.
As however was already mentioned before, this point is completely useless and even though this post is only supporting that fact, I again would like to mention:
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Yes true everyone is entitled to use whatever OS he/she likes to use, but look at how the WP fanboys trash the OP just because he/she asked if there's anyway to use Android on this device. Who provoked who first?
And the only thing Im missing out is the the NOkia hardware. I really dont give a rat's ass about M$ and their OS. Actually I consider it one of the main disadvantages of the phone.
And why close this thread? Isnt this a development forum where people come together to solve software issues? Im pretty sure this was never meant to be a trolling/ comparing thread. Some fan boys just need to chill out/ abstain from posting inflammatory comments and let people who have the solutions deal w it.
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Yes true everyone is entitled to use whatever OS he/she likes to use, but look at how the WP fanboys trash the OP just because he/she asked if there's anyway to use Android on this device. Who provoked who first?
And the only thing Im missing out is the the NOkia hardware. I really dont give a rat's ass about M$ and their OS. Actually I consider it one of the main disadvantages of the phone.
And why close this thread? Isnt this a development forum where people come together to solve software issues? Im pretty sure this was never meant to be a trolling/ comparing thread. Some fan boys just need to chill out/ abstain from posting inflammatory comments and let people who have the solutions deal w it.
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I agree, people should not get angry for such requests - everybody is free to ask for what they want. As you already said, the hardware is what I'm missing out as well, and who knows... I might even like Windows 8!
Mods, can this thread be closed ? This is going to just attract trolls.. and we know how we hate that here..
Obviously Nokia should be running Android. That's working out great for Samsung, right? Let's be realistic here. Aside from the money Nokia got from Microsoft for adopting Windows Phone, it's the better OS, on virtually every level.
I can say that objectively, too. I've had every major Android phone since the HTC Magic, including every Nexus device, and the HTC One X. I currently use a Galaxy Nexus. I've also had two Samsung Focuses, and a Nokia Lumia 900. I loved the OS. Absolutely loved it. Unfortunately, there was always some glaring flaw or glitch with the hardware that wouldn't let me keep running WP7. For instance, the Nokia I had (replaced twice) kept having issues disconnecting my calls for no reason. Kind of a problem, since I use my personal cell for meetings all day. The touch screen also annoyed me, as did the fit and finish, like the not-quite-flush SIM tray, and the rattling vibrate. No big deal, they've fixed most of that now, and I hear from a Lumia 900-owning friend that it's perfect.
Unfortunately, the Android game isn't going to last forever. OEMs are starting to realize that Google is never going to come to bat for them, and that running Android on all of their flagship devices is costing them a tremendous amount of time and money in legal battles. With Windows Phone, they pay a licensing fee, and Microsoft OWNS that OS. If they get sued over the OS, Microsoft is obligated to step in. Hardware is a different story, of course, but that's easy enough to overcome. If the Marketplace was up-to-par with iOS and Android, I don't think we'd be having this conversation. If WP7 was released a year earlier, that would definitely be the case. Thankfully, the Marketplace is getting much better, thanks to the likes of Nokia, and I see Samsung and HTC starting to help out in that arena.
Sure, Nokia is still hemorrhaging money. That may get fixed with time, or it may not. Nokia may go away. Thing is, if they had gone with Android, they'd be risking joining the same boat as Samsung. Sure, Samsung is on top of the world in smartphone sales, but how much of the profits they've earned do you think have been turned around and put into legal battles, R&D for redesigning hardware and software to get around injunctions, lost sales from injunctions, etc? Obviously they're still making a pretty solid profit, but I can guarantee you that that number is FAR higher than they're comfortable with. MeeGo could have been a real contender, but when you're really the only OEM building with the OS, it's hard for people to make that choice. Regardless, MeeGo is (unfortunately) gone now.
I, like many people, figured that Google was biding their time, waiting on just the right time to come to bat for Samsung and HTC, fighting off Microsoft's licensing fees, and Apple's ridiculous lawsuits, but they still haven't. Google is simply sitting back, waiting for the patent system to collapse instead. Problem is, even if that DOES eventually happen, it's certainly not going to be any time soon.
Do you think the OEMs don't see that? Do you think they don't care that they're being left out in the cold, to fend for themselves, while Google is reaping the benefits of their one-sided partnerships? Then, the second one of them tries to make a move to separate themselves from the Android pack, they get slapped on the wrist by Google for it, like the recent case with Acer. I notice that a lot of manufacturers are pulling out the stops for their WP8 offerings, where their WP7 offerings were mediocre (at best), even by WP7 standards. Going from the Samsung Focus to the Samsung ATIV, for example. Pretty epic stuff is happening, and I don't think it's entirely coincidental. I'm sure that some small part of all of these OEMs hopes that WP8 takes off, so that they can have a significant amount of marketshare in an environment where there's not such a constant legal risk.
I think that the Android ecosystem is going to start getting a little shaky in the next couple of years, especially if Microsoft can bring some more apps to the table for WP8. Let's just hope Nokia lasts that long, and Microsoft (and their customers) don't give up first.
Disclaimer: I realize that this is a pretty strong point of view, especially coming from someone who is enough of a fan to actually own Google and Android apparel. I'm not saying this is going to happen tomorrow, but I am saying that this is going to happen - eventually. Feel free to disagree with me, that's fine. Feel free to flame me about how much better Android is than Windows Phone. That's fine, it's your opinion. This is mine.
And, you know what? I'll give up all of these marvelous apps I have on Android to have my Zunepass back. Every single replacement I've tried on Android (MOG, etc) sucks. Give Windows Phone a chance, people. I can pretty much guarantee you'll like it a lot more than you think you will.
And, lastly... Sorry for the rant!
920 with Android!
Who is mad enough to buy that?
Nokia specs are nothing to be compared with Samsung and Apple LG HTC
So again why would anyone buy this limited phone with Android where there are S3/NoteII and HOX/+?
Its just a pointless request... Sorry to say that OP
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920 with Android!
Who is mad enough to buy that?
Nokia specs are nothing to be compared with Samsung and Apple LG HTC
So again why would anyone buy this limited phone with Android where there are S3/NoteII and HOX/+?
Its just a pointless request... Sorry to say that OP
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Nokia Specs are nothing compared to who? Obviously someone has done no homework. You must be one of those people.
That phone is a flagship phone with flagship specs. If I didn't have a contract less than a year in with my carrier, it would easily be my next phone. I was running Mango on my HD2 and it was smoother than any phone I've owned. Windows Phone8 should be a major player as long as it is shoved in everyones faces. Unfortunately most people tend to listen to the idiot next to them instead of researching and learning on their own(apple fanboys). Nokia Lumia 920 side by side with the iPhone 5 compares favorably. Next to the SIII it still is inline spec wise. The difference is in operating systems and App Markets. iOS, Android had a big head start, but Windows is catching up fast. The UI for Windows is on par with iOS and already surpasses Android(due to hardware fragmentation). The Windows market lacks the number of apps that Andoiod and iOS enjoy, however I'm not a big app fan and most Windows functionality is built right into the OS. Go to the Nokia Website and do a little snooping around and you'll get an eye opener. The only reason someone(cotulla) put android on the HD2 was because there was no other phone with those specs at the time. You want Android now buy an Android phone.
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Actually after several years on android I might change to Windows. I noticed that since I have the freedom of doing so much personalisation on my android I'm never happy with how it looks and performs.
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That's exactly how I feel too. The bad thing with being able to customize android is that I'm always looking at trying to make my phone better but am never really happy with it. I change ROMs all the time and I'm constantly waiting for the devs to update something or release something new to make my phone better, yet I'm never really satisfied. I think I'd like WP8 for the fact that I know I won't want to swap ROMs or do anything special with it because it'll run like butter out of the box, not like with android.
i don't get this whole 2 and throw android has some great hardware but let down by software. the real question shouldn't be can android run on lumia but more can we port windows phone to say the htc one x or even the one x+ I really don't get why a company that supports both os's don't just put both on the same hardware so you could buy either variant. Now that would sell like hot cakes!
I really like this tablet (all but the light bleed and the lack of a good charger, with the latter being not really a big deal) and am still planning on getting one as soon as they're back in stock next year IF the light bleed is fixed in the next batch. But, after seeing the news yesterday.about the Motorola/Google Flagship X devices (Phone and subsequent tablet), I'm really tempted to wait for that tablet seeing as it will also be a Nexus device and have Motorola's awesome build quality (After my first Nokia brick phone way back in the day, every device I owned after was Motorola, and I love their build quality.) I know for sure I'll get the phone since my 2 year will probably be up on my Nexus by that time, but I may also wait for that tablet.
Anyone else who's been waiting to buy the N10 feeling the desire to wait it out a bit longer?
I do, but not because of the x tablet, I am not a big fan of Motorola so. But I think I will wait until CES 2013 and see if there's anything worth waiting for, if not I'm not even sure about Nexus 10 anymore, Samsung's Note 10.1 seems like a better choice somehow.
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I do, but not because of the x tablet, I am not a big fan of Motorola so. But I think I will wait until CES 2013 and see if there's anything worth waiting for, if not I'm not even sure about Nexus 10 anymore, Samsung's Note 10.1 seems like a better choice somehow.
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I'm not completely unimpressed with Samsung's build quality, and I love my Galaxy Nexus, but I just like Motorola's better.
I'm also hoping to see something that excites me at CES, but I won't have anything but a Nexus device. I want something that I know developers will be paying attention to and not some off the wall device that might get one or two custom ROMs.
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I'm not completely unimpressed with Samsung's build quality, and I love my Galaxy Nexus, but I just like Motorola's better.
I'm also hoping to see something that excites me at CES, but I won't have anything but a Nexus device. I want something that I know developers will be paying attention to and not some off the wall device that might get one or two custom ROMs.
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I understand, I've used Motorola several years ago before the smartphone era and they were some really good phones, but there's no other brand I would prefer but Samsung when it comes to phones, and I'm leaning that way for the tablets as well.
And totally, I'm actually looking forward to see Samsung's new announcement which it's most likely going to be a reveal for S 4, but still I'll wait to see if it isn't a new tablet that could be worth waiting for. And that Samsung Note 10.1 is really tempting me lol.
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I really like this tablet (all but the light bleed and the lack of a good charger, with the latter being not really a big deal) and am still planning on getting one as soon as they're back in stock next year IF the light bleed is fixed in the next batch. But, after seeing the news yesterday.about the Motorola/Google Flagship X devices (Phone and subsequent tablet), I'm really tempted to wait for that tablet seeing as it will also be a Nexus device and have Motorola's awesome build quality (After my first Nokia brick phone way back in the day, every device I owned after was Motorola, and I love their build quality.) I know for sure I'll get the phone since my 2 year will probably be up on my Nexus by that time, but I may also wait for that tablet.
Anyone else who's been waiting to buy the N10 feeling the desire to wait it out a bit longer?
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Who knows when it will actually be released, much less if the rumor is true. I'm sure good things will come from Motorola eventually but probably not for another year. If Motorola comes out with a mind bogglingly good tablet then I'll sell the Nexus 10 and grab it...I'm not going to hold my breath though.
Honestly, I can put up with the Nexus 10 not being perfect because its a Nexus device and I can build the OS from source, I know it will be supported for a good while, and its damned fast for browsing.
I've had 4 different tablets in the last year or so...none of them were perfect.
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Two variables:
What gets announced in January & if the N10 is fixed in the next batch
Those two things will decide where my $500 goes
I love my n10 but I'll definitely be following the x tablet.
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What gets announced in January
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The challenge in waiting for "_________" is that by the time it hits the market there's already been a leak about the better "__________" that may be on the horizon (which we know moves). Asus announced the TF700 in January 2012 and it wasn't available for purchase until July. Samsung announced the Note 10.1 in February 2012, redesigned it after it was shown, and it launched in August. The N10 cleared the FCC in August and just recently was made available for purchase. Moral of the story: buy what you like now, take good care of it so you can resell it for a decent price, and buy what's "new" when it's at least up for pre-order. When leaks come out about products in development with nothing but design direction there's usually a long wait until they actually hit the market (EG: whatever Motorola's theorizing). When you start to see component leaks and shots by Mr. Blurry Cam that means it's closer but can still mean months.
I might depending what its like but im not a fan of Motorola so i doubt it will be something attractive.
From what I've read, the X devices are not part of the Nexus brand, they're 100% Motorola. Don't expect stock Android and direct updates from Google- or, well, now that Moto is part of Google, I mean direct updates from the Android team.
Nope... because every article States the thing silk probably not be out for a year or two. Wonder if x though is like nexus. The x is the prominent letter and even the bout animation logo. I've been waiting for Google to do something with Motorola for awhile. Google could rectify their horrible business plan easy. Now that Samsung is owning the market with android products and has made Asus a tablet leader outside Apple, I think it is now safe for them to throw their own subsidiary a bone and make a nice Google Motorola device. Might be to late on the end though.
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From what I've read, the X devices are not part of the Nexus brand, they're 100% Motorola. Don't expect stock Android and direct updates from Google- or, well, now that Moto is part of Google, I mean direct updates from the Android team.
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I doubt they would waste an opportunity like that.
For all we know it will be called the NexusX.
I'm just glad I bought a device that will stand against several next best things in the future.
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From what I've read, the X devices are not part of the Nexus brand, they're 100% Motorola. Don't expect stock Android and direct updates from Google- or, well, now that Moto is part of Google, I mean direct updates from the Android team.
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This. Ask any owner of an Atrix (myself), Photon or Electrify. They'll tell you just how great #motofail is in terms of software updates. You get ONE. Better hope your device ships with the latest version of the OS, because otherwise you just get bumped to the next major revision instead of anything near what is considered current and suddenly you're screwed, even if they promise you otherwise. The lack of proper kernel source means custom roms are unlikely to completely save you as well.
Still planning on getting my N10 in early January. If a more reputable company like Samsung were to announce something like the rumored X, I'd wait. But @#$%^ no for Motofail.
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The challenge in waiting for "_________" is that by the time it hits the market there's already been a leak about the better "__________" that may be on the horizon (which we know moves). Asus announced the TF700 in January 2012 and it wasn't available for purchase until July. Samsung announced the Note 10.1 in February 2012, redesigned it after it was shown, and it launched in August. The N10 cleared the FCC in August and just recently was made available for purchase. Moral of the story: buy what you like now, take good care of it so you can resell it for a decent price, and buy what's "new" when it's at least up for pre-order. When leaks come out about products in development with nothing but design direction there's usually a long wait until they actually hit the market (EG: whatever Motorola's theorizing). When you start to see component leaks and shots by Mr. Blurry Cam that means it's closer but can still mean months.
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Anyone who tries to stay on the bleeding edge of a rapidly moving technology will be in this situation perpetually. Something better is always on the horizon. At some point you have to pull the trigger, even though something better has been announced, and may or may not be right around the corner. I tend to be an early adopter of generational improvements (A15 and super high res screen in the N10). There will be better devices in this category, but by the time you wait for the "perfect" device, the next generational improvement will be right around the corner. Until you accept this reality, you'll always have buyers remorse.
I wouldn't touch motorola with a 10 foot pole after the crappy end of life support debacle like the atrix 4g. This might be an exception since google will back it up. Never again Motorola!!!!
Per WSJ, X tablet will be after X phone, so it'll be a while.
The more interesting bit was that Viewdle (face-rec) should be incorporated, so we should see some aspect of AR in 5.0 release. Niche uses aside, AR hasn't had any wide application in an OS. AR would be Glass' main ace.
Though, I think 5.0's over-arching theme will be TV integration. Apple is making noises, and MS will intro X720. Goog can't afford to fall behind. Miracast should play a large part, not only to leverage TVs as big displays, but for tabs to act as 2nd screen.
Frankly, tablet hardware bores me now. It's MOTS. What's interesting are wearables, and Glass is supposed to make its debut in 2013. You can bet that both MS and Apple are burning the midnight oil on their own skunkwork response.
Depending on how versatile wearables (eye-top?) will be, the tablet may hit the skids as quickly as it got on. I'm thinking 2013 for the coming-out, and one or two years for the first retail product.
I personally will wait for a Nexus device with Miracast. I really hope the N10 will get Miracast after all...
It's either the Nexus 10 for me or a Quad core A15 / Nvidia tegra 4 tablet. Hope they get announced at CES/MWC
I don't do enough gaming to need a beefed-up graphics chip in the SoC in my tablet, so for me the Nexus 10 works fine. I'm a graduate student, so much of what I do is just reading PDFs, books, and magazines. I listen to music and watch YouTube, neither of which will be necessarily improved with a faster SoC. The screen on my Nexus 10 is brilliant and I couldn't be happier with what this tablet does for my needs. Plus, Samsung > Motorola. I know I may be in the minority here, but this thing is a Nexus, and it's made by Samsung, two things that I look for in a device.
It seems like news surrounding this device is really, really slow. What's going on?
I've been a long-time Note user and have recently become disenchanted with the Note line. Although I am an S-Pen addict, I've always been more attracted to phones that have something really unique about them ... hence, my interest in the Phab 2 Pro. I had the LG Optimus 3D and loved the 3D features and screen, and the raw power of the phone, but the trend died out and LG stopped updating it.
Anyway, I'm not just interested in the Phab 2 Pro, I'm totally obsessed with it. Are there any other people out there who are as excited about this phone as I am?
I'm not a developer, so I'm going at this phone from a pure consumer vantage point. But I want to drum up some excitement or something ...
So what is your level of interest? Curious? Planning on developing for it? Planning on waiting in line on Day One?
I plan to be FIRST in line on Day One.
You aren't the only one. I check Google everyday...like everyday twice a day..I can't wait I've already set the money aside for it lol I want it so bad I wanted to pre-order it on August 1 just so as soon as bestbuy opens I can just walk in and grab it. Like best buy opens at 10 I'm trying to have it and be in my car by 10:10 lol
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I'm going to get one Launch day! I am amazed, very little news on this device! I too have been trawling for updates, and not much to be found!
Definitely can't wait been interested in this phone since I heard the announcement, will be putting down my nexus 6 but will still be used for VR fun. I'm also interested in Project Ara from Google but not sure if AR will be part of modular phones. My main reason for getting this phone is a bigger screen than my nexus 6 (I'm a gamer) and AR obviously. On a side note Intel is coming out with a VR & AR combo headset next year no smartphone or PC required. You can also use your naked hands to interact in the VR world.
I will am also be coming from a Nexus 6 once the Phab 2 Pro comes out. Sure would be nice for a definitive release date to be set though.
Announcement will be very soon I'm assuming, here's a video posted today, it's from a Greek website I had to use Google Translate
Translated site - http://goo.gl/SuWcR3
Original site - http://goo.gl/ybYYyi
Note 4, here. I'm anxiously awaiting this, LG V20, and to see any other announcements. I WANT this size with the high resolution. Every other huge phone has been low end garbage. I'm a huge guy, I like the size. The camera/Tango setup looks nice, too. I can actually use it
I am also checking everyday. Do you have any idea if it will be released in UK or Ireland ?
Bad news - Delays!
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Leno...cial-Project-Tango-phone-gets-delayed_id85312
I would be SUPER excited if I had even a bit of hope that Verizon will carry this phone. I doubt it, and I'm stuck in a rural area with only VZW or USCellular as my options. I had a Nexus 6, bought a used 6P (love it!) on Swappa, and I'm extremely disappointed that the next "large" Nexus or Pixel is only 5.5"! Ugh. Maybe the V20 once it's rooted...
I'm definitely getting this phone when it eventually goes on sale. The best source of information I've been able to find for updates about the phone is twitter. From everything I've read so far, it may be out by late October or sometime in November. #Phab2Pro #WaitingNeverStops
This official looking marketing video would seem to confirm a November 2016 release.
Which marketing video would that be? I have seen quite a few, though none that hint at a date.
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The video linked in my prior post. At the end it flashes very quickly "Available November 2016".
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The video linked in my prior post. At the end it flashes very quickly "Available November 2016".
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Ah. uMatrix was hiding the video from me.
Clay Bavor, the head of Google's VR confirmed that the Phab 2 Pro is coming in November.
https://www.cnet.com/news/google-tango-lenovo-phab-2-pro-november/
I'll be honest, it's pretty disappointing to see that so many corners were cut on the supposed flagship Google "Tango" device.
Snapdragon 652 - This processor is on par with last gen technology. It's not bad, but it's not exactly great either. That being said, don't expect it to match the iPhone 7, LG V20, or Note 7 in terms of performance.
Micro USB - Not sure what they were thinking here either. Most if not all new devices are now USB-C, yet here is a device that's implementing a last gen hardware feature. They really couldn't afford to increase the price by a couple dollars to implement a USB-C port?
LCD Screen - And the biggest disappointment of all is the lack of an AMOLED display. Nothing says "cheap Chinese phone" more than the lack of an AMOLED, which is extremely sad given that even the low end Galaxy and LG devices now sport AMOLED screens. (Hell, even Pixel has an AMOLED.)
I don't mind compromising on the first two points, but the LCD screen was a terrible decision, especially for a device labeled as "professional".
As much as I'd love to support Tango, I'm afraid this device simply cannot compete with the current flagship offerings. The gimmick is also doesn't carry enough weight to buy into this brand only to suffer with a sub-par display and Lenovo's questionable update practice.
I really hope Tango succeeds so that something more premium is made, but thus far it's looking pretty bleak.
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I'll be honest, it's pretty disappointing to see that so many corners were cut on the supposed flagship Google "Tango" device.
Snapdragon 652 - This processor is on par with last gen technology. It's not bad, but it's not exactly great either. That being said, don't expect it to match the iPhone 7, LG V20, or Note 7 in terms of performance.
Micro USB - Not sure what they were thinking here either. Most if not all new devices are now USB-C, yet here is a device that's implementing a last gen hardware feature. They really couldn't afford to increase the price by a couple dollars to implement a USB-C port?
LCD Screen - And the biggest disappointment of all is the lack of an AMOLED display. Nothing says "cheap Chinese phone" more than the lack of an AMOLED, which is extremely sad given that even the low end Galaxy and LG devices now sport AMOLED screens. (Hell, even Pixel has an AMOLED.)
I don't mind compromising on the first two points, but the LCD screen was a terrible decision, especially for a device labeled as "professional".
As much as I'd love to support Tango, I'm afraid this device simply cannot compete with the current flagship offerings. The gimmick is also doesn't carry enough weight to buy into this brand only to suffer with a sub-par display and Lenovo's questionable update practice.
I really hope Tango succeeds so that something more premium is made, but thus far it's looking pretty bleak.
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I agree that the micro-usb is outdated. But, at least i'm still able to use all my old charging cables.
Anyhow, I just received the Phab2 (base), and while this model has a different screen supposedly, it is very clear and bright. moreso than i was expecting. if the low end version is this good, the pro must be pretty swell.
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I agree that the micro-usb is outdated. But, at least i'm still able to use all my old charging cables.
Anyhow, I just received the Phab2 (base), and while this model has a different screen supposedly, it is very clear and bright. moreso than i was expecting. if the low end version is this good, the pro must be pretty swell.
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So where are you using this phone and on what service? I'm interested in the phab 2 pro but have never used a phone not supported by any carriers and they will never support a larger than 6 inch phone. It seems that this should work for at&t but I'm a little surprised people don't talk about the lack of carrier support a little more. I wonder if that is why it got delayed. Lowes and Best Buy have to figure out how to sell unsupported phones to people who have never bought one.
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So where are you using this phone and on what service? I'm interested in the phab 2 pro but have never used a phone not supported by any carriers and they will never support a larger than 6 inch phone. It seems that this should work for at&t but I'm a little surprised people don't talk about the lack of carrier support a little more. I wonder if that is why it got delayed. Lowes and Best Buy have to figure out how to sell unsupported phones to people who have never bought one.
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as of now, i switched from a t-mobile(metro pcs) phone to this and am on 4g only in the US, Florida specifically. I will hopefully be going to at&t next week, assuming i have time. regardless, 4g has been enough for the time being, but i don't like paying for LTE and not getting it.
my guess would be that upon release, all models will become either an AT&T exclusive or at least be advertised by AT&T, but i still can't even confirm the LTE bands this phone uses. Lenovo tech support says 1900, 1700 and 700, but he had googled it, as they don't have spec data yet, apparently.
Just watched the Surface Duo 2 announcement & reveal. I gotta say, I'm excited.
A few key complaints were solved, and some far beyond what I expected.
The glance bar seen at the hinge when closed...that's effin fantastic. Can see notifications with device closed.
Camera improvements (well not so much improved as it is actually in existence now, lol) - Though I imagine the camera bump will create some awkwardness when device fully open or laying flat on table, etc.
Pen magnetically attached to cover. I like it a lot...but can foresee issues with device protection options.
The curved screens...I guess they are supposed to help lessen the gap between screens visually. Got me curious here. (and, how do you protect that?)
No mention of water / dust resistance - maybe we'll see something in spec sheet.
Obviously thankful for the Snapdragon 888 and 5G connectivity!!
oh, and BLACK!
What do you guys think?
It's a hard pass for me. Upgrades are minimal, and there's no reason to think that this new version won't contain all of the same problems that my current Duo has. At a starting price of $1,499, all you're really getting is the addition of a mid-range camera and a notification hinge.
Even with the Android 11 update, Duo owners will still be a solid year behind other new flagships in software. If the Duo 2 drops to $400 like the first one did, I'll buy it. But not at this price. Very disappointed.
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It's a hard pass for me. Upgrades are minimal, and there's no reason to think that this new version won't contain all of the same problems that my current Duo has. At a starting price of $1,499, all you're really getting is the addition of a mid-range camera and a notification hinge.
Even with the Android 11 update, Duo owners will still be a solid year behind other new flagships in software. If the Duo 2 drops to $400 like the first one did, I'll buy it. But not at this price. Very disappointed.
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Good points for sure.
I think Microsoft is trying to put themselves in the same tier as Apple and Samsung...without the credibility and established trust with consumer. They want their pricing structure to be in line with those companies, yet they haven't proven themselves capable at this point.
There is appeal for the business community, and in the large corporate sector there isn't quite the issue with pricing as your average consumer. For productivity the Duo stands mostly alone in it's form factor, IF it works as intended.
I am really shocked that in looking to pre-order, there is NO trade in option at all. This kinda pisses me off, truth be told. I fully expected to be able to trade in my Duo 1 towards the Duo 2. THIS is a huge slap in the face in my opinion. SCRATCH THAT, found it...their process is different from what I've been used to. TRADE IN VALUE FOR AT&T MODEL IS $475 - 1st Gen Galaxy Fold $600
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It's a hard pass for me. Upgrades are minimal, and there's no reason to think that this new version won't contain all of the same problems that my current Duo has. At a starting price of $1,499, all you're really getting is the addition of a mid-range camera and a notification hinge.
Even with the Android 11 update, Duo owners will still be a solid year behind other new flagships in software. If the Duo 2 drops to $400 like the first one did, I'll buy it. But not at this price. Very disappointed.
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I think you are underestimating this upgrade Roni. The higher RAM + high refresh screens gets this product closer to its vision (of being a portable productivity tool) more than you think. We'll have to wait for the reviews.
Also, Roni, you got the Surface 1 on firesale at Woot. Imagine getting Duo 2 for $500...then would you get it?
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I think you are underestimating this upgrade Roni. The higher RAM + high refresh screens gets this product closer to its vision (of being a portable productivity tool) more than you think. We'll have to wait for the reviews.
Also, Roni, you got the Surface 1 on firesale at Woot. Imagine getting Duo 2 for $500...then would you get it?
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Yeah but 8GB of RAM and a 90Hz display upgrade is just giving this phone what every other flagship has already had for over a year. These are just obligatory minor upgrades. I don't see that these will add any value to the productivity aspect. Checking my email in 90Hz doesn't change the fact that my muscles are small and unimpressive.
Even though Microsoft made some big improvements, I'm going to pass this time. I've gotten used to wireless charging (been using it for over 5 years).
I have a Note 10+ 5G and a Tab S7 (both running Microsoft Launcher and 512GB). I've got the best of both worlds right now.
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Yeah but 8GB of RAM and a 90Hz display upgrade is just giving this phone what every other flagship has already had for over a year. These are just obligatory minor upgrades. I don't see that these will add any value to the productivity aspect. Checking my email in 90Hz doesn't change the fact that my muscles are small and unimpressive.
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Then what evolutions whould you like to see?