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Sometimes you are away from a charger and want to conserve what you have left, or are trying to run a resource heavy app without glitches (satnav) or trying to get a big update/download faster.
I thought we could post tips that either help with speed of the device or with saving battery - particularly if you know of apps or settings that slow the running down or eat battery.
I know these are quite obvious but I'll list some anyway to get us started
Turn these off for extra speed and batt :
Wireless General
GPS (you can leave location by network on for most stuff like weather apps)
Wifi - turning it off while you're out and about saves lots o batt. I also keep network notification off completely unless I'm in a new location looking for a wifi fix.
Bluetooth - set for off and undiscoverable
Mobile network - Set it to 2G for a big boost in battery life (and I've found, if the 3G is rubbish - I know, obvious, but I recently spent 20 mins moaning of no signal at all to send a tx at a gig, then realised I could flick to 2G and was away!!)
Data Sync
Google - You can turn of Auto sync and just sync manually when you choose
Background Data - Turning this off gives a huge battery boost, but gmail won't arrive in real time, so if you're expecting important mail don't turn it off.
On the sync option, if you know contacts and calendar are not changing that often you can uncheck these and sync manually every now and then
Apps that use Data Sync
Weather - check how often the app refreshes and set it to a longer time - some weather apps are by default set to refresh every 30 mins and this might not be needed most of the time.
Twitter and Facebook widgets and apps - again check the refresh periods, also notifications will Use batt more than no notifications.
Same probably applies for Exchange Sync but I don't use it.
Sound/Display - these things will save batt when you need it.
I think having Ring AND vibe will be more batt intensive, so maybe knock off the vibrate when you want to save battery
Keep Brightness low and lower screen timeout.
Turn off Auto rotation and animations and Notification Flash
Turning keypad tones off etc will save a bit too. It all adds up.
Turning Off TouchFLO
When running CoPilot, it helps to turn off wifi and some have reported that if you can toggle the Sense UI to the ordinary Android 3 screen home this helps too (Tho I've personally not had problems) To turn off Sense UI or Touchflo 7Screen home, you need to first go to settings-applications-manage applications and look for TouchFLO then clear defaults. After this, when you go to home, you'll be offered a choice of home or TouchFlo. To toggle back to Touchflo, press the home button again. To return it to default, just check the Use by default for this action, and then make your choice.
Post anything you've found to help or hinder speed, or to drain or boost battery life
Ta Dayzee xx
Is there a widget to switch from 3G to 2G?
no, that is not a setting that can be done on a widget. all the ones that are around and claim to do it just jump you straight into mobile settings so you can toggle it yourself in two clicks instead of four....
But there is the Mobile Network one - HTC built in - when that is turned off, you can still get calls, and send txts. I use this toggle to do that - also can you not set a shortcut to do 3g to 2g only using bettercut? I'm sure you can, because you have that option in settings and bettercut can make a shortcut to any settings toggle.
Dayzee
Edit - Bettercut doesn't work with Hero Well, certainly not for creating and adding a shortcut to a system setting - will let the devs know...
Is it my imagination or does having the people widget on a home screen makes the device a little sluggish?
Is anyone else using touchdown? Not sure if that is slowing my device down and using battery a lot too?
Toggle Settings is a good app for controlling Daisys suggestions above, taskiller or Advanced Task Manager are essential for closing unwanted apps.
Couple of notes about apps that close stuff down like Taskiller and Task Manager - they can slow your fone down immediately after an end all, as the apps that need to run like TouchFlo have to restart - which they do, all by themselves - but it makes the fone prone to laggyness and force closing if you try to open stuff straight after.
If you get one that allows exclusions (I know advanced Task Manager does but dunno on others) then exclude TouchFLO and you'll get less proba after close all.
Also there were reports that one of the Taskiller apps messed with the long press home functions. Not sure on this tho...
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If you get one that allows exclusions (I know advanced Task Manager does but dunno on others) then exclude TouchFLO and you'll get less proba after close all.
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With Taskkiller you also have the option to exclude programs. It also has a widget you can tap to close all (except the ignored programs) The free version only allows two apps to be ignored. Exclude TouchFlo is a good suggestion.
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With Taskkiller you also have the option to exclude programs. It also has a widget you can tap to close all (except the ignored programs) The free version only allows two apps to be ignored. Exclude TouchFlo is a good suggestion.
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Try TaskPanel, it's free and doesn't seem to have any restrictions in its exclude list. You can also add a memory threshold when TaskPanel should automatically kill applications (configured through a separate list). And finally, it registers itself as an ongoing task and starts up automatically.
TaskPanel ist great... Thanks for that Tip. Have it running in the Background and now it Kills processes that are not in my Exclude List everytime the RAM goes below 50Meg.
My Hero is now (almost) Lag-Free.
Full charge at 7am and at 5pm, battery still at 94%.
How?
Turn off background data.
jhericurls said:
Full charge at 7am and at 5pm, battery still at 94%.
How?
Turn off background data.
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Background data? As in what? Mobile network?
jhericurls said:
Full charge at 7am and at 5pm, battery still at 94%.
How?
Turn off background data.
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Surely that disables all the sync services etc which is really what the phone is all about!
Also the Market won't work unless background data is enabled... It will save battery but a said, many services won't work unless you update manually.
I switched this off when in France so I didn't eat up my roaming data bundle.
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Is it my imagination or does having the people widget on a home screen makes the device a little sluggish?
Is anyone else using touchdown? Not sure if that is slowing my device down and using battery a lot too?
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Ive also noticed this also with the people widget after i removed it as well as the Clock # 8 it severely reduced the lagginess of my Hero
Hi Dayzee & co.,
If you're looking for a good way to save battery power without having to turn wifi on and off manually, check out "Y5 battery saver"
Y5 - Battery Saver is an AndroidTM application which saves your battery by turning the Wifi off in locations where you have never been connected before. The application turns Wifi back on when you are back to known location. It will remember the locations automatically. All you have to do is turn the Wifi on and connect to the known Wifi network for the first time
Really cool, and works like a charm. Ok, you need to have your GPS turned on, but at least that one is useful everywhere you are (except inside buildings, fair enough)... whereas wifi isn't. Furthermore, wifi uses up more battery than GPS.
Concerning Advanced Task Killer (awesome!), you might want to check out this thread if you're sick of having to restart your phone each time you have to sync. In a few words: always put HTC sync in the Ignore list of the program. Unchecking it won't do.
Cheers!
Stop using Peep (set it all to manual update), remove the widget and start using Twidroid.
As well as a huge reduction in battery draw, you'll find your Hero is far more responsive than is ever was before.
The last few days my Hero has not been sluggish and the battery life has increased dramatically. Set to 30 mins update just like Peep was.
Here's my tip, that works really well, for me. I've tried a myriad of task managers, but finally settled for TaskPanel. It doesn't really matter what you use, I suppose, but I found it to be one of the clearest. Furthermore, advanced task killer's and taskillers "kill all" commands seemed to randomly kill the TouchFlo process as well, even though it was "ignored"...
I've come to the conclusion that cpu load rarely is a problem on this phone (in terms of finding a reason to possible lag), unless you are watching videos (which you probably won't, since it appears to be impossible to encode videos so they don't at least slow down a bit every five seconds) or listening to music.
Instead it's the amount of memory you have free for apps to use. I have no idea why, since I also live by the credo "memory free is memory wasted", so ideally my phone would have 5 megs of ram free and everything would work great. Now for some reason, my Hero desktop starts to lag substantially (as well as other gui-elements, such as long scrolling lists) whenever my memory goes below 40 megs.
I always hated the "favourite people" widget by Htc, so I closed it day one. Maybe that's why my htc experience has been pretty positive. I also closed the desktop widgets for SMS-messages and Mail, since they can't show MMS:es or HTML-mail and since they are both ridiculously slow at flicking from one message to the next. I also threw away the novelty clocks by Htc, since they animate too often and that slows down the interface while they are moving. Instead I opted for the iPhone-like clock "digital clock widget". Just don't force kill it, since it will stop updating and you will be stuck with a beautiful clock that shows the right time once every day.
So basically, my formula for a fluid hero experience is:
* Check your free memory with TaskPanel every now and then. If it goes below 50, prepare for slowdown. If it goes below 40, go on a killingspree.
* Register TaskPanel as an "ongoing service", so it shows up in your notification drawer. Now, if you can see your notification drawer (which you can't in the browser), then instead of clicking home to close stuff, open TaskPanel (or whatever) and kill the app you are about to stop using.
* With multitasking comes responsibility. Odds are, if you ever owned an iPhone, this is something you were *****in and moanin about. "Gimme multitasking, gimme!". Well now you've got it and so, learn to use it. Everything that is slow, badly programmed or a resource hog has gotta go, unless you really really need it. Beautiful clock animating slowly? Too bad! Ditch it.
Somebody said Android wold be very good at managing resources by itself and that sounds reasonable. However, I read numerous comments about people finding this to not be the case. Maybe in version 2.0. But for now I'm stuck killing of processes myself. It works for me and makes my UI snappy. And I can keep 3-5 apps running at the same time (that are my own choices, not mandatory apps that come with the UI) without problem. I regularly have babbler, androidirc, taskpanel, market, ebuddy, redditisfun running at the same time without problem. Just kill off apps you are not going to use for a long time.
Ok, sorry to be rambling, but this is my take on the situation. It might get resolved with the Hero update or with the 2.0 version of Android. Don't know, but until then, we need some tools and wild speculation won't solve anything. If you made it through the whole message, I would appreciate your comments - especially any positive experiences you have from "letting Android do its own cleaning". It sounds a little fishy that it would be bad a first, but after about a week, things will get really snappy? What if I boot my phone? Will I have to wait a week again for things to become fast?
-JJ
Speed and battery boosting Tips
Dayzee said:
Sometimes you are away from a charger and want to conserve what you have left, or are trying to run a resource heavy app without glitches (satnav) or trying to get a big update/download faster.
I thought we could post tips that either help with speed of the device or with saving battery - particularly if you know of apps or settings that slow the running down or eat battery.
I know these are quite obvious but I'll list some anyway to get us started
Turn these off for extra speed and batt :
Wireless General
GPS (you can leave location by network on for most stuff like weather apps)
Wifi - turning it off while you're out and about saves lots o batt. I also keep network notification off completely unless I'm in a new location looking for a wifi fix.
Bluetooth - set for off and undiscoverable
Mobile network - Set it to 2G for a big boost in battery life (and I've found, if the 3G is rubbish - I know, obvious, but I recently spent 20 mins moaning of no signal at all to send a tx at a gig, then realised I could flick to 2G and was away!!)
Data Sync
Google - You can turn of Auto sync and just sync manually when you choose
Background Data - Turning this off gives a huge battery boost, but gmail won't arrive in real time, so if you're expecting important mail don't turn it off.
On the sync option, if you know contacts and calendar are not changing that often you can uncheck these and sync manually every now and then
Apps that use Data Sync
Weather - check how often the app refreshes and set it to a longer time - some weather apps are by default set to refresh every 30 mins and this might not be needed most of the time.
Twitter and Facebook widgets and apps - again check the refresh periods, also notifications will Use batt more than no notifications.
Same probably applies for Exchange Sync but I don't use it.
Sound/Display - these things will save batt when you need it.
I think having Ring AND vibe will be more batt intensive, so maybe knock off the vibrate when you want to save battery
Keep Brightness low and lower screen timeout.
Turn off Auto rotation and animations and Notification Flash
Turning keypad tones off etc will save a bit too. It all adds up.
Turning Off TouchFLO
When running CoPilot, it helps to turn off wifi and some have reported that if you can toggle the Sense UI to the ordinary Android 3 screen home this helps too (Tho I've personally not had problems) To turn off Sense UI or Touchflo 7Screen home, you need to first go to settings-applications-manage applications and look for TouchFLO then clear defaults. After this, when you go to home, you'll be offered a choice of home or TouchFlo. To toggle back to Touchflo, press the home button again. To return it to default, just check the Use by default for this action, and then make your choice.
Post anything you've found to help or hinder speed, or to drain or boost battery life
Ta Dayzee xx
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turning off allmost every things,then what reson to have a smart phone and spend 600$ for the device better, turn off your hero and keep in the pocket and turn it back on to use...keep in pocket with power off till next use.this is not the sulution .turning off everythings ........rether go with motorola razer v3.
I still don't see the point of using task managers and killing tasks. I just let the OS manage everything for me.
My Hero run very well indeed since I worked out that Peep was a real battery and resource hog.
I've just been for a 4 mile walk and used My Tracks to track the walk, Twidroid, Browser hot linked from tweets in Twidroid, answered a phone call and responded to a number of texts.
Looked at My Tracks a number of times to see what it was doing and to look at the satellite map. I like to point out things on the phone screen to the kids that they can see in real life - geeky but they think its cool.
Kept checking on how fast we were walking etc...
So screen was active quite a bit.
All over the space of 1hr 15mins with the GPS running all the time.
Hero never lagged once, battery used was around 10% (at a guess, maybe 12%).
Overall very impressed.
i am about to install BATTERY BOOSTER on my razr maxx.....i dont think my battery is as strong as they say, yes it last longer than most but i dont think its as strong as people make it out to be....any suggestions on this app ??
Haven't heard anything about this app. Juice Defender is usually the one that I hear the most about.
All they can do is turn off different things at different times... like the 3G/3G data. Juice Defender does what it claims, but at a cost. Turning on the screen to use the browser, there's a long pause before the data "wakes up". I deleted the app. I get 2 days of varied use from my Maxx and that's with the screen at full brightness, 4G on, Bluetooth on, and pretty much indiscriminate use of everything wasteful I can find.
I ran it for a while back on my Samsung Galaxy PLAYER 4.0, it was nice to have easy settting to trigger turning wifi, bluetooth and Airplane Mode on and off with locking and unlocking, but on that device I realized it was a complete waste for me because I could leave airplane mode on all the time on it and I only toggle wifi on if I need to use it right then, so really for the razr's its pretty pointless as most of what it does can be done with SMART ACTIONS, but it would give you a battery percentage and battery temp in your notifications if you like that sort of stuff.
If you want to max your battery and push notifications aren't that important to you use these settings in smart actions:
by default I have GPS off completely, on the rare occasion I need it I will turn it on manually.
I use one primary Smart Action and that is a reprogrammed "Battery Extender" with
TRIGGERS:
Screen Off
Charging (not charging)
ACTIONS:
Background Sync (Disable)
Cellular Data (Disable)
basically with these settings when the screen is off its equivalent to a "dumb phone", you can recieve calls and texts but no "push" notifications, this increased the time between charges by atleast 20% for me.
Also as I say in all these threads not forget to regularly (atleast every 2 weeks) power cycle (shutdown then reboot) your phone, I went like the first month of owning without ever shutting it off and when I got in the habit of doing this I noticed atleast a 10% increase in time between charge compared to never shutting off.
Screenshots of my last battery cycle below.
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I ran it for a while back on my Samsung Galaxy PLAYER 4.0, it was nice to have easy settting to trigger turning wifi, bluetooth and Airplane Mode on and off with locking and unlocking, but on that device I realized it was a complete waste for me because I could leave airplane mode on all the time on it and I only toggle wifi on if I need to use it right then, so really for the razr's its pretty pointless as most of what it does can be done with SMART ACTIONS, but it would give you a battery percentage and battery temp in your notifications if you like that sort of stuff.
If you want to max your battery and push notifications aren't that important to you use these settings in smart actions:
by default I have GPS off completely, on the rare occasion I need it I will turn it on manually.
I use one primary Smart Action and that is a reprogrammed "Battery Extender" with
TRIGGERS:
Screen Off
Charging (not charging)
ACTIONS:
Background Sync (Disable)
Cellular Data (Disable)
basically with these settings when the screen is off its equivalent to a "dumb phone", you can recieve calls and texts but no "push" notifications, this increased the time between charges by atleast 20% for me.
Also as I say in all these threads not forget to regularly (atleast every 2 weeks) power cycle (shutdown then reboot) your phone, I went like the first month of owning without ever shutting it off and when I got in the habit of doing this I noticed atleast a 10% increase in time between charge compared to never shutting off.
Screenshots of my last battery cycle below.
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What your screen shot shows is that you basically don't use your phone. I wouldn't be able to even get close to 10% screen time if I tried. Unless I just let the phone sleep all day.
can any of you guide me through these smart actions....because even after the help videos and all, i still dont really understand how the triggers and actions work....i dont think im getting nearly the battery time i should out of this phone.....i have to put it on the charger at least 2 or three times out the day for a little while and by 10-11 oclock its still down to about 30-40 percent....and im hearing people getting almost 2 days on a full battery...not me!! so please help
WizeGuyDezignz said:
What your screen shot shows is that you basically don't use your phone. I wouldn't be able to even get close to 10% screen time if I tried. Unless I just let the phone sleep all day.
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I never made any claim to be a heavy user, when at work, home and where I go for my lunch break I use my Laptop, as I don't care to stare at a small screen if I don't need to, my phone is for like when i'm at walmart or somewhere and I need to look something up real quick.
But, for the record the smart action settings I listed will drop your overnight battery drain to like 1% every 3 hours or so which is really a huge boost to those that don't live starring at there phone day in / day out, nothing can help those people but rehab and counseling for there addiction issues, LOL (that was a joke don't get pissed off)
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blueizee said:
can any of you guide me through these smart actions....because even after the help videos and all, i still dont really understand how the triggers and actions work....i dont think im getting nearly the battery time i should out of this phone.....i have to put it on the charger at least 2 or three times out the day for a little while and by 10-11 oclock its still down to about 30-40 percent....and im hearing people getting almost 2 days on a full battery...not me!! so please help
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OK, as simple as I can make this
1. open Smart Actions app
2. click View samples in lower right hand corner
3. click Battery Extender
4. press and hold on trigger labeled Motion Detector, when menu pops up choose Delete
5. Look for + sign just to right of the word Actions (in the middle of the screen), tap the + sign
6. Scroll to very bottom of list and tap Cellular Data, menu will pop up with 2 choices (enable, disable) tap disable
7. (Optional) press and hold GPS under actions, and when menu comes up hit delete
8. Tap Add Rule on bottom left hand side of screen.
your done and set with my settings, AGAIN with these settings your phone WILL NOT RECIEVE new email or other data related notifications while the screen is off, but it will reduce power drain to aproxx 1% every 3 hours while the screen is off (barring other apps running in the background I can't account for), your could also ADD a time trigger if you only wanted it to do it at night so the junk emails notifications don't wake you up.
Hey all, just wanted to post some quick general questions. So first off, I wanted to know if you all use auto-brightness or if you use the brightness widget to adjust the brightness based on ambient light. Second, when it comes to closing out apps from memory, do you only use the recent apps capacitive button, or do you also go into settings>battery and click on all of the available X's to the right of each app to close out the apps that way as well? Just asking these questions as I'm trying to maximize my daily battery life on top of LK kernel. Thanks!
-Matt
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Hey all, just wanted to post some quick general questions. So first off, I wanted to know if you all use auto-brightness or if you use the brightness widget to adjust the brightness based on ambient light. Second, when it comes to closing out apps from memory, do you only use the recent apps capacitive button, or do you also go into settings>battery and click on all of the available X's to the right of each app to close out the apps that way as well? Just asking these questions as I'm trying to maximize my daily battery life on top of LK kernel. Thanks!
-Matt
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I usually allow Sense to handle the killing of task. I know some thinks it does so very aggressively, but it seems fine to me.
As for brightness, I leave mine set at 50% and call it a day. My phone goes off the charger at 6:30 a.m and goes back on at 4:00pm. I'm usually around 50/55% when I get home to my charger. That's using Twitter religiously as well as Google Now for scheduling appointment. Also checking forums.
One battery saving tip I have for you though is this: Put your phone in Airplane mode if you know you won't be using for a while or if where you are currently doesnt have a very good signal.
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Hey all, just wanted to post some quick general questions. So first off, I wanted to know if you all use auto-brightness or if you use the brightness widget to adjust the brightness based on ambient light. Second, when it comes to closing out apps from memory, do you only use the recent apps capacitive button, or do you also go into settings>battery and click on all of the available X's to the right of each app to close out the apps that way as well? Just asking these questions as I'm trying to maximize my daily battery life on top of LK kernel. Thanks!
-Matt
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Some things I do when Im away from home:
- Don't use autosync (put the sync widget on a home screen and when you want to sync your stuff just press it and it will sync everything once when you need it)
- Use wifi as much as possible
- Keep brightness at a comfortable level but try to keep it around 50% or less. I keep mine at about 25~30%
I use the recent apps button and clear out apps when im done with them (I can't really say if this actually kills the apps or not or how effective it is for saving battery)
Turn off unnecessary syncs. Do you really need facebook to update every 30min? Weather to update every hour? Evernote to update every hour?
Disable those syncs (especially facebook), and I usually see a saving of 20% by the end of day.
Well what I do is, since I have root access, I use juice defender to control my auto sync, CPU speed, usage and brightness. And since I did that my battery is around 20 percent at 10 pm. And I take it off charge at around 6 30 am.
Sent from my HTC evo 3D GSM
Thanks for the input! Much appreciated, going to put some of this into use.
-Matt :good:
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Thanks for the input! Much appreciated, going to put some of this into use.
-Matt :good:
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For me: 1) As mentioned, first check those syncs 2) I don't have Facebook installed, if I want to check it, I do thru the browser 3) I use the Power Contol widget, it has the screen brightness toggle. I use it at 0-15% in the evening indoors and morning, 1/3 generally and Auto during the day in my truck. If I'm going to use the internet for a couple hours session, I'll tether to my HP Mini, saves screen time on the phone. At times during the workday and I have no use for the internet nor have any impending emails I absolutely need to receive, I will turn off Mobile data, that alone will save you tons of battery and you will still receive text messages and phone calls. If I'm in a fringe area I will do the same, turn off Mobile data or watch your battery drain right before your eyes. If you use Airplane mode, I'm sure you know you won't be able to text of receive/make calls. GSam Battery Monitor is a good app to monitor your battery usage and what apps are being used. Oh, and yes, I just use the Recent Apps to wipe out apps I'm done with and let Sense handle the rest.
I just used Juice defender to manage my phone. Works well.
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With my Note 4, it would wake up from Android Doze, or simply not enter that state if there was movement of the phone. I felt stupid needing to pick up my phone every 10 min to give it a small shake, but at least it seemed to work. I keep my phone in my pocket when I'm working outside and that always kept the Note 4 from falling into Doze mode. Not so with the S9+. It drops into Doze even in my pocket. Anyway to stop that from happening? Like others here, I feel frustrated needing to activate my screen to find out if there are notifications.
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With my Note 4, it would wake up from Android Doze, or simply not enter that state if there was movement of the phone. I felt stupid needing to pick up my phone every 10 min to give it a small shake, but at least it seemed to work. I keep my phone in my pocket when I'm working outside and that always kept the Note 4 from falling into Doze mode. Not so with the S9+. It drops into Doze even in my pocket. Anyway to stop that from happening? Like others here, I feel frustrated needing to activate my screen to find out if there are notifications.
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That's not Doze mode. Doze is when Android puts apps to sleep that are in memory not being used. This is done to save battery (and processing time?).
So what is happening here, if I understand, is that your phone display is going blank when you pull it from your pocket?
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That's not Doze mode. Doze is when Android puts apps to sleep that are in memory not being used. This is done to save battery (and processing time?).
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Doze was originally described as putting your phone into a power saving sleep mode after 20 min of "inactivity". The issue that caused me problems back then was not about the apps, but that notifications pushed to the device were queued up by the system until your phone "woke up", then the notifications would come rolling through. This happened at the system level regardless of app.
Perhaps in the latest version of Android they have changed the definition of Doze, but another poster was having a lot of issues with notifications (mostly email) and the culprit was deemed to be Doze.
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So what is happening here, if I understand, is that your phone display is going blank when you pull it from your pocket?
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No. My display is blank (as it should be) when I put it into my pocket, as well as when I pull it out. I always shut the screen off before putting my phone down, or in my pocket.
If I put my phone in my pocket, and 5-10 min later I get a notification, it comes through loud and clear and I pull my phone out and check it. If 20+ min has gone by without me having a reason to turn the screen on, then I stop getting notifications. When I pull it out to check the time or send a message, suddenly the notifications come rolling through.
Again, I was used to this if the Note 4 was put down, but this behavior is new to me if the phone is moving about.
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Doze was originally described as putting your phone into a power saving sleep mode after 20 min of "inactivity". The issue that caused me problems back then was not about the apps, but that notifications pushed to the device were queued up by the system until your phone "woke up", then the notifications would come rolling through. This happened at the system level regardless of app.
Perhaps in the latest version of Android they have changed the definition of Doze, but another poster was having a lot of issues with notifications (mostly email) and the culprit was deemed to be Doze.
No. My display is blank (as it should be) when I put it into my pocket, as well as when I pull it out. I always shut the screen off before putting my phone down, or in my pocket.
If I put my phone in my pocket, and 5-10 min later I get a notification, it comes through loud and clear and I pull my phone out and check it. If 20+ min has gone by without me having a reason to turn the screen on, then I stop getting notifications. When I pull it out to check the time or send a message, suddenly the notifications come rolling through.
Again, I was used to this if the Note 4 was put down, but this behavior is new to me if the phone is moving about.
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I concur. Same happens to me.
I don't have this issue at all. I have my phone in my pocket most of the day and don't need to "wake" the phone up for notifications. I can leave my phone unattended for hour or 3 and it still receives the notifications without issues. I don't know if I have turned on a setting that mine works different, but I must say that my battery life isn't that great....as if the phone never sleeps/doze at all
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I don't have this issue at all. I have my phone in my pocket most of the day and don't need to "wake" the phone up for notifications. I can leave my phone unattended for hour or 3 and it still receives the notifications without issues. I don't know if I have turned on a setting that mine works different, but I must say that my battery life isn't that great....as if the phone never sleeps/doze at all
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I'm curious. Do you have any of the power saving modes turned on? Do you use "always on display"?
I never use the power save modes. Aod is on from 5 in the morning till 8 at night
termdj said:
I never use the power save modes. Aod is on from 5 in the morning till 8 at night
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AoD could be keeping your phone awake, preventing Doze. The power saving features talks about putting apps to sleep, so unless you use them, that could also be disabling Doze. I could try changing the power saving settings, though it seems like a shame. I have zero interesting in AoD for multiple reasons, so it's not worth it for me to use that to solve my problems.
Thanks for the information!
Doze changed in Nougat, I believe, so that motion no longer prevented Doze from working. Since most men, at least, carry their phone in their pocket Doze hardly ever kicked in, greatly limiting its power saving capability.
You can exempt specific apps from Doze if you want to get notifications from them even when dozing.
Settings / Apps / 3 dot menu / special access / Optimize battery usage. Select All Apps from the drop down. Turn off the toggle for any apps you don't want to Doze.
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Doze was originally described as putting your phone into a power saving sleep mode after 20 min of "inactivity". The issue that caused me problems back then was not about the apps, but that notifications pushed to the device were queued up by the system until your phone "woke up", then the notifications would come rolling through. This happened at the system level regardless of app.
Perhaps in the latest version of Android they have changed the definition of Doze, but another poster was having a lot of issues with notifications (mostly email) and the culprit was deemed to be Doze.
No. My display is blank (as it should be) when I put it into my pocket, as well as when I pull it out. I always shut the screen off before putting my phone down, or in my pocket.
If I put my phone in my pocket, and 5-10 min later I get a notification, it comes through loud and clear and I pull my phone out and check it. If 20+ min has gone by without me having a reason to turn the screen on, then I stop getting notifications. When I pull it out to check the time or send a message, suddenly the notifications come rolling through.
Again, I was used to this if the Note 4 was put down, but this behavior is new to me if the phone is moving about.
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Yes, I am confusing Doze with the Samsung power saving options. Blah!
I know the battery life will decrease with aod, but I have noticed that even without aod on my battery drop 2% per hour, so I leave it on...There are days that I can go 1 day and 8 hours before charging, but then my sot is only 2 hours....In general I'm happy with the battery life
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You can exempt specific apps from Doze if you want to get notifications from them even when dozing.
Settings / Apps / 3 dot menu / special access / Optimize battery usage. Select All Apps from the drop down. Turn off the toggle for any apps you don't want to Doze.
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Thanks!
It seems oddly redundant needing to do essentially the same thing in two places. One well advertised under the battery settings, and the other one hidden under settings/apps/special access.
Hopefully this will fix my problems. Glad to know there is a work around.
Brokk said:
Thanks!
It seems oddly redundant needing to do essentially the same thing in two places. One well advertised under the battery settings, and the other one hidden under settings/apps/special access.
Hopefully this will fix my problems. Glad to know there is a work around.
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The two settings really are doing different things. Samsung's (in the battery settings), puts apps to sleep after 3 to 7 days (depending on your settings). The won't wake up again until you use them. Doze (the pretty much hidden option in Apps), lets the apps wake up on their own, when you start using the phone, even if you don't access those particular apps.
I'm not sure why the Doze setup is buried so deep in settings, though. I guess Google (or Samsung?) really doesn't want you interfering with it.
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The two settings really are doing different things. Samsung's (in the battery settings), puts apps to sleep after 3 to 7 days (depending on your settings). The won't wake up again until you use them.
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I made a mistake of putting an app to sleep that I use to keep my screen awake. It uses a widget to toggle it on/off, but will shut off along with the screen if you intentionally shut your screen off. After putting that app to sleep, the widget stopped working. I had to go find the actual app, start it, then quickly flip back to my home screen and click on the widget. I couldn't undo my "sleep" action on that app. I changed it to "unmonitored", so that the S9+ would never put it to sleep. I rebooted. I shut off the power saving options. Nothing worked. Everytime I would go to the widget (unless I just started the actual app), it wouldn't react to clicking on the widget.
I finally gave up and uninstalled the app from my phone. Rebooted. Reinstalled it and now it works fine. So I'm not sure I agree with "puts the app to sleep in 3 to 7 days". Maybe 3-7 minutes...
Well, 3 to 7 days is what Samsung says, and the optional range you can set in the app. Don't know what specifically happened with that widget, though.
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Well, 3 to 7 days is what Samsung says, and the optional range you can set in the app. Don't know what specifically happened with that widget, though.
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Where is the setting(s) for optimal range? I don't remember specifying that. I thought it was more of an on/off thing. White listed (unmonitored resource consumption) or black listed (never let it run in the background). Then apps in neither list it reports to you and you can force them to sleep or not.
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Where is the setting(s) for optimal range? I don't remember specifying that. I thought it was more of an on/off thing. White listed (unmonitored resource consumption) or black listed (never let it run in the background). Then apps in neither list it reports to you and you can force them to sleep or not.
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Samsung does bury things....
Settings / Device maintenance, click Battery at the bottom.
Then click the 3 dot menu at the top, and Advanced Settings.
Tap App power monitor (the text, not the toggle).
Tap Put unused apps to sleep (again, the text).
You can set the slider anywhere between 3 days and 7.
I spent several days just wandering through every settings option I could find after I setup the phone. Discovered all kinds of hidden things. Sometimes I can even remember where I saw them.
whats is best auto setting in app lauch have it all turned to auto or manuely turning all things off and what browser is most battery friendly for mate 20 pro?
I had a question about this too (hope thats ok )
to help with the notification issue, I changed all the apps I want to make sure I get notifications from to manual. This though now has them always running in the background..... is this necessary to make sure I receive notifications or not ? EG I keep getting a warning message about Fitbit being very power hungry
anything on the above guys?
I get all notifications and on occasion that Samsung browser taking too much battery, which mostly isn't true, as it not refreshing that often.
I removed the powerGenie and been monitoring battery patterns and usage, it's been mostly better.
Only app i have delayed notification is instagram, other than that all good.
Derpling said:
I get all notifications and on occasion that Samsung browser taking too much battery, which mostly isn't true, as it not refreshing that often.
I removed the powerGenie and been monitoring battery patterns and usage, it's been mostly better.
Only app i have delayed notification is instagram, other than that all good.
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that's interesting on IG as I keep getting the same notifications over and over
Quaz1 said:
that's interesting on IG as I keep getting the same notifications over and over
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On my S7E, i used to get it in time, but i don't much about it so i let it go hehe.
I'm currently monitoring what might cause battery drain overnight though, as sometimes it drains 2% and yday it was 10%.