With my Note 4, it would wake up from Android Doze, or simply not enter that state if there was movement of the phone. I felt stupid needing to pick up my phone every 10 min to give it a small shake, but at least it seemed to work. I keep my phone in my pocket when I'm working outside and that always kept the Note 4 from falling into Doze mode. Not so with the S9+. It drops into Doze even in my pocket. Anyway to stop that from happening? Like others here, I feel frustrated needing to activate my screen to find out if there are notifications.
Brokk said:
With my Note 4, it would wake up from Android Doze, or simply not enter that state if there was movement of the phone. I felt stupid needing to pick up my phone every 10 min to give it a small shake, but at least it seemed to work. I keep my phone in my pocket when I'm working outside and that always kept the Note 4 from falling into Doze mode. Not so with the S9+. It drops into Doze even in my pocket. Anyway to stop that from happening? Like others here, I feel frustrated needing to activate my screen to find out if there are notifications.
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That's not Doze mode. Doze is when Android puts apps to sleep that are in memory not being used. This is done to save battery (and processing time?).
So what is happening here, if I understand, is that your phone display is going blank when you pull it from your pocket?
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That's not Doze mode. Doze is when Android puts apps to sleep that are in memory not being used. This is done to save battery (and processing time?).
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Doze was originally described as putting your phone into a power saving sleep mode after 20 min of "inactivity". The issue that caused me problems back then was not about the apps, but that notifications pushed to the device were queued up by the system until your phone "woke up", then the notifications would come rolling through. This happened at the system level regardless of app.
Perhaps in the latest version of Android they have changed the definition of Doze, but another poster was having a lot of issues with notifications (mostly email) and the culprit was deemed to be Doze.
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So what is happening here, if I understand, is that your phone display is going blank when you pull it from your pocket?
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No. My display is blank (as it should be) when I put it into my pocket, as well as when I pull it out. I always shut the screen off before putting my phone down, or in my pocket.
If I put my phone in my pocket, and 5-10 min later I get a notification, it comes through loud and clear and I pull my phone out and check it. If 20+ min has gone by without me having a reason to turn the screen on, then I stop getting notifications. When I pull it out to check the time or send a message, suddenly the notifications come rolling through.
Again, I was used to this if the Note 4 was put down, but this behavior is new to me if the phone is moving about.
Brokk said:
Doze was originally described as putting your phone into a power saving sleep mode after 20 min of "inactivity". The issue that caused me problems back then was not about the apps, but that notifications pushed to the device were queued up by the system until your phone "woke up", then the notifications would come rolling through. This happened at the system level regardless of app.
Perhaps in the latest version of Android they have changed the definition of Doze, but another poster was having a lot of issues with notifications (mostly email) and the culprit was deemed to be Doze.
No. My display is blank (as it should be) when I put it into my pocket, as well as when I pull it out. I always shut the screen off before putting my phone down, or in my pocket.
If I put my phone in my pocket, and 5-10 min later I get a notification, it comes through loud and clear and I pull my phone out and check it. If 20+ min has gone by without me having a reason to turn the screen on, then I stop getting notifications. When I pull it out to check the time or send a message, suddenly the notifications come rolling through.
Again, I was used to this if the Note 4 was put down, but this behavior is new to me if the phone is moving about.
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I concur. Same happens to me.
I don't have this issue at all. I have my phone in my pocket most of the day and don't need to "wake" the phone up for notifications. I can leave my phone unattended for hour or 3 and it still receives the notifications without issues. I don't know if I have turned on a setting that mine works different, but I must say that my battery life isn't that great....as if the phone never sleeps/doze at all
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I don't have this issue at all. I have my phone in my pocket most of the day and don't need to "wake" the phone up for notifications. I can leave my phone unattended for hour or 3 and it still receives the notifications without issues. I don't know if I have turned on a setting that mine works different, but I must say that my battery life isn't that great....as if the phone never sleeps/doze at all
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I'm curious. Do you have any of the power saving modes turned on? Do you use "always on display"?
I never use the power save modes. Aod is on from 5 in the morning till 8 at night
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I never use the power save modes. Aod is on from 5 in the morning till 8 at night
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AoD could be keeping your phone awake, preventing Doze. The power saving features talks about putting apps to sleep, so unless you use them, that could also be disabling Doze. I could try changing the power saving settings, though it seems like a shame. I have zero interesting in AoD for multiple reasons, so it's not worth it for me to use that to solve my problems.
Thanks for the information!
Doze changed in Nougat, I believe, so that motion no longer prevented Doze from working. Since most men, at least, carry their phone in their pocket Doze hardly ever kicked in, greatly limiting its power saving capability.
You can exempt specific apps from Doze if you want to get notifications from them even when dozing.
Settings / Apps / 3 dot menu / special access / Optimize battery usage. Select All Apps from the drop down. Turn off the toggle for any apps you don't want to Doze.
Brokk said:
Doze was originally described as putting your phone into a power saving sleep mode after 20 min of "inactivity". The issue that caused me problems back then was not about the apps, but that notifications pushed to the device were queued up by the system until your phone "woke up", then the notifications would come rolling through. This happened at the system level regardless of app.
Perhaps in the latest version of Android they have changed the definition of Doze, but another poster was having a lot of issues with notifications (mostly email) and the culprit was deemed to be Doze.
No. My display is blank (as it should be) when I put it into my pocket, as well as when I pull it out. I always shut the screen off before putting my phone down, or in my pocket.
If I put my phone in my pocket, and 5-10 min later I get a notification, it comes through loud and clear and I pull my phone out and check it. If 20+ min has gone by without me having a reason to turn the screen on, then I stop getting notifications. When I pull it out to check the time or send a message, suddenly the notifications come rolling through.
Again, I was used to this if the Note 4 was put down, but this behavior is new to me if the phone is moving about.
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Yes, I am confusing Doze with the Samsung power saving options. Blah!
I know the battery life will decrease with aod, but I have noticed that even without aod on my battery drop 2% per hour, so I leave it on...There are days that I can go 1 day and 8 hours before charging, but then my sot is only 2 hours....In general I'm happy with the battery life
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You can exempt specific apps from Doze if you want to get notifications from them even when dozing.
Settings / Apps / 3 dot menu / special access / Optimize battery usage. Select All Apps from the drop down. Turn off the toggle for any apps you don't want to Doze.
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Thanks!
It seems oddly redundant needing to do essentially the same thing in two places. One well advertised under the battery settings, and the other one hidden under settings/apps/special access.
Hopefully this will fix my problems. Glad to know there is a work around.
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Thanks!
It seems oddly redundant needing to do essentially the same thing in two places. One well advertised under the battery settings, and the other one hidden under settings/apps/special access.
Hopefully this will fix my problems. Glad to know there is a work around.
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The two settings really are doing different things. Samsung's (in the battery settings), puts apps to sleep after 3 to 7 days (depending on your settings). The won't wake up again until you use them. Doze (the pretty much hidden option in Apps), lets the apps wake up on their own, when you start using the phone, even if you don't access those particular apps.
I'm not sure why the Doze setup is buried so deep in settings, though. I guess Google (or Samsung?) really doesn't want you interfering with it.
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The two settings really are doing different things. Samsung's (in the battery settings), puts apps to sleep after 3 to 7 days (depending on your settings). The won't wake up again until you use them.
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I made a mistake of putting an app to sleep that I use to keep my screen awake. It uses a widget to toggle it on/off, but will shut off along with the screen if you intentionally shut your screen off. After putting that app to sleep, the widget stopped working. I had to go find the actual app, start it, then quickly flip back to my home screen and click on the widget. I couldn't undo my "sleep" action on that app. I changed it to "unmonitored", so that the S9+ would never put it to sleep. I rebooted. I shut off the power saving options. Nothing worked. Everytime I would go to the widget (unless I just started the actual app), it wouldn't react to clicking on the widget.
I finally gave up and uninstalled the app from my phone. Rebooted. Reinstalled it and now it works fine. So I'm not sure I agree with "puts the app to sleep in 3 to 7 days". Maybe 3-7 minutes...
Well, 3 to 7 days is what Samsung says, and the optional range you can set in the app. Don't know what specifically happened with that widget, though.
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Well, 3 to 7 days is what Samsung says, and the optional range you can set in the app. Don't know what specifically happened with that widget, though.
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Where is the setting(s) for optimal range? I don't remember specifying that. I thought it was more of an on/off thing. White listed (unmonitored resource consumption) or black listed (never let it run in the background). Then apps in neither list it reports to you and you can force them to sleep or not.
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Where is the setting(s) for optimal range? I don't remember specifying that. I thought it was more of an on/off thing. White listed (unmonitored resource consumption) or black listed (never let it run in the background). Then apps in neither list it reports to you and you can force them to sleep or not.
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Samsung does bury things....
Settings / Device maintenance, click Battery at the bottom.
Then click the 3 dot menu at the top, and Advanced Settings.
Tap App power monitor (the text, not the toggle).
Tap Put unused apps to sleep (again, the text).
You can set the slider anywhere between 3 days and 7.
I spent several days just wandering through every settings option I could find after I setup the phone. Discovered all kinds of hidden things. Sometimes I can even remember where I saw them.
Related
Turn off 3G, turn on only when needed
Settings -> Location -> Untick ''Wireless Networks and GPS Satelites''
Settings ->Accounts -> Untick Background data (Unless you want to use market)
Settings -> Wirelless -> Advanced -> Wifi sleep policy -> Never
Use phone on 2G, unless using internet (then switch to 3G mode)
Data traffic always OFF (Use only when needed)
Backlight low or Auto Brightness (And allow light to decrease)
Turn off wireless, basically everything turned off with the power control widget, turn on when necessary
Install task manager and set auto-kill mode to crazy on switch off screen mode (Put apps that always run in ignore list e.g. Launcher, Messaging. Basically the necessities)
Install SetCPU (After rooting your phone) - Min CPU 122mhz, Max CPU ~700mhz - 'On demand' profile
SetCpu - Profiles -> Screen Off -> Min 122mhz, Max 122mhz, Performance mode
Upgrade to Froyo 2.2 - Enable JIT (Saves battery on 2.2+)
Switch to a Cyanogenmod Rom
Enable undervolting (Only for CyanogenMOD roms)
Use RenderFX widget (CyanogenMOD, best to use low red, best to use when you are heading out)
Cyanogenmod - Spare Parts -> End Button Behaviour -> Go to sleep
LAST, but NOT LEAST, if you notice no significant increase in battery life, then your battery is no calibrated right! So go to market, download 'Battery Calibration', and charge your phone to 100%. Next, if its abbout 4000v - 4200v, your phone is correctly calibrated!
If its not 4000 -4200, press the ''calibrate'' button, and let your phone die out, then fully charge it (while its still powered off). Wait till light is green, TURN ON.
After boot, battery will not be 100% yet, reboot once more, charge to 100% (while phone is on), and check your new calibrated battery! It should now be 4000 to 4200v
I know there might be programs and applications to increase your battery life, but I dont have any experience with these, so feel free to post your experiences! Some examples may include juicedefender, etc
Anyone wants to add to this list, feel free =)
royalbloodvi said:
Turn off 3G
Backlight low
Turn off wireless, basically everything turned off with the power control widget
Install task manager and set auto-kill mode to crazy on switch off screen mode
I know there might be programs and applications to increase your battery life, but I dont have any experience with these, so feel free to post your experiences! Some examples may include juicedefender, etc
Anyone wants to add to this list, feel free =)
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I will never install a task manager it's do more damage then it does good.....
My battery last 2 days and the only thing i do is install juicedefender and use my phone alot
knudsen81 said:
I will never install a task manager it's do more damage then it does good.....
My battery last 2 days and the only thing i do is install juicedefender and use my phone alot
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I don't know what goes wrong, but mine losts for only one day. If i have charged it overnight the battery is empty the next evening
No task managers. The phone manages its RAM well and the battery will last longer. For normal uses upto 1.5 days and for heavy users 1 day.
dabulcke said:
I don't know what goes wrong, but mine losts for only one day. If i have charged it overnight the battery is empty the next evening
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and here I heard installing juicedefender does more damage than good too.. what to believe? Everything is based on peoples hearsay and no evidence..
On my girl friends X10 mini I changed from ADW launcher to Helixlauncher and changed the brightness to auto. That made a HUGE difference.
Was on vacation and turned off 3G because I was not gonna use any expenisve data. That alone boosted my batterylife about 1 days worth.
junglepunk said:
Was on vacation and turned off 3G because I was not gonna use any expenisve data. That alone boosted my batterylife about 1 days worth.
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people can do much to boost battery time, like turn off 3g, brightness control, turn off gps and so on, that all helps the battery
I have switched of almost everything and still get about 1 day of battery with about 2-3Hrs of music and a few calls and videos.
is it ok?
I get over 48 hours and I use the wifi a lot and do about 30mins of calls a day.
My tips:
* turn background data off and manually update ur emails when u want - this is the best tip I put it on my blog too
* manually enable network data when u need it
* use the top button to go on standby as soon as you are done using the phone
* keep gps, 3g and wifi off unless u want to use it
Sent from my U20i using XDA App
I have background data off.
No emailing whatsoever till now....
Almost 75% of the time in standby
Gps 3G wifi bluetooth are off.
Yet with stock launcer i get 24Hrs
Helix 30Hrs..
Why?
Its been two weeks(or 3) since i bought the phone...
Please reply.
BTW when did you buy the phone?
^^Ok.
I have come to know the problem.
Running any apps in background like Battery Indicator or task manager brings down the battery so much(the latter not much though)..
Because daily i used to get the above with battery indicator pro on.
But after uninstalling it i got about double that battery life..
So people better don't run them all the time.
task manager can be used sometimes about once every 2 hrs o so.
This increased my battery life so much on stock launcher
Just got the pro today. Will be ditching my X2 depending on the performance of this one after a week. So far, I love the mini pro for the fact that I can now hear my incoming messages and calls!
A couple of questions though:
1) Is there a way to wake up the screen when an SMS arrives?
2) Custom ringtone per contact?
3) Is there a way to disable screen lock when the phone goes to sleep by itself (not pressing the power button) ?
4) Is there a way to unlock the screen without the need to press the left button, I was hoping to go directly to the pattern unlock after i turn on the phone
Still getting used to the keyboard lay-out as I've been using X2 for almost 6 months.
andoy said:
1) Is there a way to wake up the screen when an SMS arrives?
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I use Chomp SMS app and this allows the screen to wake-up, I think Handcent SMS does too. I never used the stock SMS app so not sure if there is a way to do it with that.
andoy said:
3) Is there a way to disable screen lock when the phone goes to sleep by itself (not pressing the power button) ?
4) Is there a way to unlock the screen without the need to press the left button, I was hoping to go directly to the pattern unlock after i turn on the phone
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Not sure if this answers your question, I just press the Menu button twice to unlock the phone, never used the power button to wake it up funnily enough, only used the power button go in to sleep mode. When I press Menu button it wakes up to the pattern unlock.
ayewhy said:
I use Chomp SMS app and this allows the screen to wake-up, I think Handcent SMS does too. I never used the stock SMS app so not sure if there is a way to do it with that.
Not sure if this answers your question, I just press the Menu button twice to unlock the phone, never used the power button to wake it up funnily enough, only used the power button go in to sleep mode. When I press Menu button it wakes up to the pattern unlock.
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Nice, i'll try to look for those apps. I did try the menu button and it worked. At least this relieves stress on the power button since I won't be using it to wake-up the phone anymore.
How's about not locking the phone when it goes to sleep? Unless I press the power button?
After a day with it, battery is now @ 30%+. Hope it improves or SE comes out with a high capacity.
Hi, where is the disable 3G button?
I can't seem to find it. I found wifi on and off.
and I unchecked location with gps.
thanks
Helix launcher is the best thing I installed to my mini pro. Batt life is now 3-4 days regular use and 5 days if i don't play games. Games are draining the batt quickly.
I'm totally getting rid of my X2.
3 to 4 days? Lol how can that be possible.. Did you use 3g?
hyhyhhy said:
3 to 4 days? Lol how can that be possible.. Did you use 3g?
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I can prove it, there's a display in the phone where it says # of hours unplugged. If it's not working for you, doesn't mean it shouldn't for others as well. If you barely make 2 days, then that's what we should be LOLing about.
My setting is as follows:
- 2g only
- 1 to 2 hours of wifi and bluetooth per day
- 1 to 2 hours of games (love the games) per day
- tried GPS for 1 hour using mapdroyd
- a couple of calls and text messages per day
- tried watching a movie (AVI) for an hour using yxflash
- tried the media, played MP3s for an hour
- tried meebo for an hour
- I got my alarms ON always
- notifications ON always
- custom led lights for new SMS (using ringo pro) always
- max volume for the entire day
- medium volume at night
- data connection off
- background data off
- screen brightness to zero but the sensor is still working (weird), the screens still adjusts to the surrounding
This is after installing helix. Before helix, I got a max of 1 and a half days only.
Ray_jai said:
Hi, where is the disable 3G button?
I can't seem to find it. I found wifi on and off.
and I unchecked location with gps.
thanks
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Im finding the same issue. Im looking for the "use only 2g" as found on the g1 (my other phone) but I can find it. Some help would be excellent on locating this option!!
~Dark
i am about to install BATTERY BOOSTER on my razr maxx.....i dont think my battery is as strong as they say, yes it last longer than most but i dont think its as strong as people make it out to be....any suggestions on this app ??
Haven't heard anything about this app. Juice Defender is usually the one that I hear the most about.
All they can do is turn off different things at different times... like the 3G/3G data. Juice Defender does what it claims, but at a cost. Turning on the screen to use the browser, there's a long pause before the data "wakes up". I deleted the app. I get 2 days of varied use from my Maxx and that's with the screen at full brightness, 4G on, Bluetooth on, and pretty much indiscriminate use of everything wasteful I can find.
I ran it for a while back on my Samsung Galaxy PLAYER 4.0, it was nice to have easy settting to trigger turning wifi, bluetooth and Airplane Mode on and off with locking and unlocking, but on that device I realized it was a complete waste for me because I could leave airplane mode on all the time on it and I only toggle wifi on if I need to use it right then, so really for the razr's its pretty pointless as most of what it does can be done with SMART ACTIONS, but it would give you a battery percentage and battery temp in your notifications if you like that sort of stuff.
If you want to max your battery and push notifications aren't that important to you use these settings in smart actions:
by default I have GPS off completely, on the rare occasion I need it I will turn it on manually.
I use one primary Smart Action and that is a reprogrammed "Battery Extender" with
TRIGGERS:
Screen Off
Charging (not charging)
ACTIONS:
Background Sync (Disable)
Cellular Data (Disable)
basically with these settings when the screen is off its equivalent to a "dumb phone", you can recieve calls and texts but no "push" notifications, this increased the time between charges by atleast 20% for me.
Also as I say in all these threads not forget to regularly (atleast every 2 weeks) power cycle (shutdown then reboot) your phone, I went like the first month of owning without ever shutting it off and when I got in the habit of doing this I noticed atleast a 10% increase in time between charge compared to never shutting off.
Screenshots of my last battery cycle below.
daniel644 said:
I ran it for a while back on my Samsung Galaxy PLAYER 4.0, it was nice to have easy settting to trigger turning wifi, bluetooth and Airplane Mode on and off with locking and unlocking, but on that device I realized it was a complete waste for me because I could leave airplane mode on all the time on it and I only toggle wifi on if I need to use it right then, so really for the razr's its pretty pointless as most of what it does can be done with SMART ACTIONS, but it would give you a battery percentage and battery temp in your notifications if you like that sort of stuff.
If you want to max your battery and push notifications aren't that important to you use these settings in smart actions:
by default I have GPS off completely, on the rare occasion I need it I will turn it on manually.
I use one primary Smart Action and that is a reprogrammed "Battery Extender" with
TRIGGERS:
Screen Off
Charging (not charging)
ACTIONS:
Background Sync (Disable)
Cellular Data (Disable)
basically with these settings when the screen is off its equivalent to a "dumb phone", you can recieve calls and texts but no "push" notifications, this increased the time between charges by atleast 20% for me.
Also as I say in all these threads not forget to regularly (atleast every 2 weeks) power cycle (shutdown then reboot) your phone, I went like the first month of owning without ever shutting it off and when I got in the habit of doing this I noticed atleast a 10% increase in time between charge compared to never shutting off.
Screenshots of my last battery cycle below.
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What your screen shot shows is that you basically don't use your phone. I wouldn't be able to even get close to 10% screen time if I tried. Unless I just let the phone sleep all day.
can any of you guide me through these smart actions....because even after the help videos and all, i still dont really understand how the triggers and actions work....i dont think im getting nearly the battery time i should out of this phone.....i have to put it on the charger at least 2 or three times out the day for a little while and by 10-11 oclock its still down to about 30-40 percent....and im hearing people getting almost 2 days on a full battery...not me!! so please help
WizeGuyDezignz said:
What your screen shot shows is that you basically don't use your phone. I wouldn't be able to even get close to 10% screen time if I tried. Unless I just let the phone sleep all day.
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I never made any claim to be a heavy user, when at work, home and where I go for my lunch break I use my Laptop, as I don't care to stare at a small screen if I don't need to, my phone is for like when i'm at walmart or somewhere and I need to look something up real quick.
But, for the record the smart action settings I listed will drop your overnight battery drain to like 1% every 3 hours or so which is really a huge boost to those that don't live starring at there phone day in / day out, nothing can help those people but rehab and counseling for there addiction issues, LOL (that was a joke don't get pissed off)
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blueizee said:
can any of you guide me through these smart actions....because even after the help videos and all, i still dont really understand how the triggers and actions work....i dont think im getting nearly the battery time i should out of this phone.....i have to put it on the charger at least 2 or three times out the day for a little while and by 10-11 oclock its still down to about 30-40 percent....and im hearing people getting almost 2 days on a full battery...not me!! so please help
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OK, as simple as I can make this
1. open Smart Actions app
2. click View samples in lower right hand corner
3. click Battery Extender
4. press and hold on trigger labeled Motion Detector, when menu pops up choose Delete
5. Look for + sign just to right of the word Actions (in the middle of the screen), tap the + sign
6. Scroll to very bottom of list and tap Cellular Data, menu will pop up with 2 choices (enable, disable) tap disable
7. (Optional) press and hold GPS under actions, and when menu comes up hit delete
8. Tap Add Rule on bottom left hand side of screen.
your done and set with my settings, AGAIN with these settings your phone WILL NOT RECIEVE new email or other data related notifications while the screen is off, but it will reduce power drain to aproxx 1% every 3 hours while the screen is off (barring other apps running in the background I can't account for), your could also ADD a time trigger if you only wanted it to do it at night so the junk emails notifications don't wake you up.
I'm using CM13 and new to using Greenify as I just bought the donation package but have some questions that I'm not sure about.
1. I have instant messaging apps (Whatsapp and WeChat) and games on my phone, when I finish using the app, I press the home button and have them running in the background, does that uses more battery or do I need to add the apps to the hibernation list?
2. Should I use hibernate or shallow hibernation as I switched from iPhone to OnePlus 3 and on the iPhone when I reopen the app, it will return to where I left it.
3. I have enabled aggressive doze so that it will go to sleep mode when the screen is off, will I get delay Whatsapp and Wechat messages or do I need to add it to the whitelist so notifications comes instantly when I receive them?
Many thanks!
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I'm using CM13 and new to using Greenify as I just bought the donation package but have some questions that I'm not sure about.
1. I have instant messaging apps (Whatsapp and WeChat) and games on my phone, when I finish using the app, I press the home button and have them running in the background, does that uses more battery or do I need to add the apps to the hibernation list?
2. Should I use hibernate or shallow hibernation as I switched from iPhone to OnePlus 3 and on the iPhone when I reopen the app, it will return to where I left it.
3. I have enabled aggressive doze so that it will go to sleep mode when the screen is off, will I get delay Whatsapp and Wechat messages or do I need to add it to the whitelist so notifications comes instantly when I receive them?
Many thanks!
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1. Any app which is not greenified will run in the background once it is opened and then dismissed by the Home button. As far as the IM apps are concerned, the advice of the Dev is not to greenify them if you rely on them. However, some people have successfully greenified those IM apps which use GCM without issues but some others complain of delayed notifications. So it may be better not to greenify them if you rely on them. Of course they will consume more battery since they are running in the background.
2. If you want iPhone like behaviour, use shallow hibernation. Otherwise, the apps will start afresh.
3. It is better to add such apps to the white list.
i could be wrong.... but i noticed that most of the times aggressive doze does NOT exted the real battery life...... maybe it COULD extend it if you do not touch the phone for long periods like 2...4 hours at time, but if you make a normal usage of the phone i suspect that activating and deactivating doze is DRAINING more battery than it tries to save!!!
.........any other though?
realista87 said:
i could be wrong.... but i noticed that most of the times aggressive doze does NOT exted the real battery life...... maybe it COULD extend it if you do not touch the phone for long periods like 2...4 hours at time, but if you make a normal usage of the phone i suspect that activating and deactivating doze is DRAINING more battery than it tries to save!!!
.........any other though?
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Similar observation on battery savings. In most cases any power related benefits of aggressive doze are wiped out when the device wakes from its comma and performs a bunch of 'catch up' tasks. Such behavior can lead to lag immediately after wake which is a common complaint associated with aggressive doze. That said, aggressive doze may have other situational benefits...especially over longer durations. As always YMMV.
yes, i think about a person who does pick up the phone just every 4...5 hour at day because it is not important (for him) to always check the latest messages, and in that condition it could be useful the aggressive doze.
i even noticed that to disable the movement sensors is NOT a great thing...... of course great if someone is in car or moving everytime but it has the CON of turning on/off the brightness sensor of the phone and at every display power on the phone lags for 1/2 seconds.
i must admit that in the last years i've always used aggressivedoze/ or naptime and greenified lots of apps but i should reconsider the fact to UNinstall all....... and see if the battery life is really worse or not.
realista87 said:
yes, i think about a person who does pick up the phone just every 4...5 hour at day because it is not important (for him) to always check the latest messages, and in that condition it could be useful the aggressive doze.
i even noticed that to disable the movement sensors is NOT a great thing...... of course great if someone is in car or moving everytime but it has the CON of turning on/off the brightness sensor of the phone and at every display power on the phone lags for 1/2 seconds.
i must admit that in the last years i've always used aggressivedoze/ or naptime and greenified lots of apps but i should reconsider the fact to UNinstall all....... and see if the battery life is really worse or not.
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The sensor issue is device specific. I enable 'doze on the go' on all my devices and have yet to encounter the brightness glitch. However, I don't use the more aggressive sensor suppressions available in some apps. Note 'doze on the go' is enabled by default w/Android 7+.
After experimenting with countless apps/tools/techniques (ugh) my Android power management methodology has evolved to a 'lite touch' minimalist approach. I only take overt action when a specific drain can not be contained by other means. Greenify is the tool of choice with only a few bad actors in the explicit hibernation list. Android defaults handle everything else. My devices sleep soundly, behave predictably and score admirably low drain rates. App selection obviously plays into that. Big pigs like Facebook, Google everything and WhatsApp are not part of my portfolio as lighter alternatives exist. Good luck with your own adventures.
I'm new to greenify, so bear with me.
In the pro version, I enabled both shallow hibernation and aggressive doze, in addition to adding a number of apps manually.
However, I found that the proximity sensor became a bit wonky, waking the screen while still in a call, and occasionally failing to wake the screen on call end.
Is it possible that greenify is causing this, and if so, what would you suggest I change to fix it?
HTC 10 rooted, Xposed, Maximus HD (MM)
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BillTheCat said:
I'm new to greenify, so bear with me.
In the pro version, I enabled both shallow hibernation and aggressive doze, in addition to adding a number of apps manually.
However, I found that the proximity sensor became a bit wonky, waking the screen while still in a call, and occasionally failing to wake the screen on call end.
Is it possible that greenify is causing this, and if so, what would you suggest I change to fix it?
HTC 10 rooted, Xposed, Maximus HD (MM)
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Absolutely! Disable aggressive doze and shallow hibernation as they generally offer no significant benefit on Android 6 (Marshmallow) and often trigger side effects similar to what you describe. I'd also remove ALL apps from Greenify's hibernation list unless they exhibit undesirable behavior.
Given MM based ROM be sure to enable 'Doze on the Go' in Greenify settings which will help your device enter doze more rapidly and remain there longer even when in motion.
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Absolutely! Disable aggressive doze and shallow hibernation as they generally offer no significant benefit on Android 6 (Marshmallow) and often trigger side effects similar to what you describe. I'd also remove ALL apps from Greenify's hibernation list unless they exhibit undesirable behavior.
Given MM based ROM be sure to enable 'Doze on the Go' in Greenify settings which will help your device enter doze more rapidly and remain there longer even when in motion.
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Done. Would you suggest a battery app to monitor wake locks, and if so, which one?
Also, a general question about lithium batteries should not be trickle-charged overnight, or left plugged in constantly because it stresses the battery. Just wondering if there's any truth to that, or if it's an urban legend.
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BillTheCat said:
Done. Would you suggest a battery app to monitor wake locks, and if so, which one?
Also, a general question about lithium batteries should not be trickle-charged overnight, or left plugged in constantly because it stresses the battery. Just wondering if there's any truth to that, or if it's an urban legend.
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Not a fan of monitoring wakelocks which are broadly misunderstood and usually not the source of excess (operative word) battery drain. Android's native monitoring tools are generally adequate. Two well regarded alternatives are Better Battery Stats (BBS) and GSAM. Both can be found in the Play Store.
Leaving a Li-ion powered device on charge overnight is fine. Especially phones and other portable gizmos which are usually discharged the following day. However, Li-ion batteries should not be left in a fully charged or discharged state for an extended period as irrevocable damage can occur. That's why most Li-ion powered devices arrive partially charged which is the state they like best.
More detail: http://batteryuniversity.com
Davey126 said:
Not a fan of monitoring wakelocks which are broadly misunderstood and usually not the source of excess (operative word) battery drain. Android's native monitoring tools are generally adequate. Two well regarded alternatives are Better Battery Stats (BBS) and GSAM. Both can be found in the Play Store.
Leaving a Li-ion powered device on charge overnight is fine. Especially phones and other portable gizmos which are usually discharged the following day. However, Li-ion batteries should not be left in a fully charged or discharged state for an extended period as irrevocable damage can occur. That's why most Li-ion powered devices arrive partially charged which is the state they like best.
More detail: http://batteryuniversity.com
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Thanks for that info. Very interesting site, but way above my pay grade. I guess by "extended period" that scenario would be a store demo unit that's constantly powered, or a home scenario of similar sort.
Here's what I took away from a brief overview, if anyone else is looking on:
(Sourced from 'How to Prolong Lithium Based Batteries' from Battery University)
From: Battery University:(emphasis mine)
Similar to a mechanical device that wears out faster with heavy use, the depth of discharge (DoD) determines the cycle count of the battery. The smaller the discharge (low DoD), the longer the battery will last. If at all possible, avoid full discharges and charge the battery more often between uses. Partial discharge on Li-ion is fine. There is no memory and the battery does not need periodic full discharge cycles to prolong life.
Environmental conditions, not cycling alone, govern the longevity of lithium-ion batteries. The worst situation is keeping a fully charged battery at elevated temperatures. [I'm reading this as a warning for those of us with quick charging cables]
The question is asked, “Should I disconnect my laptop from the power grid when not in use?” Under normal circumstances this should not be necessary because charging stops when the Li-ion battery is full. A topping charge is only applied when the battery voltage drops to a certain level. Most users do not remove the AC power, and this practice is safe.
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Davey126 said:
Absolutely! Disable aggressive doze and shallow hibernation as they generally offer no significant benefit on Android 6 (Marshmallow) and often trigger side effects similar to what you describe. I'd also remove ALL apps from Greenify's hibernation list unless they exhibit undesirable behavior.
Given MM based ROM be sure to enable 'Doze on the Go' in Greenify settings which will help your device enter doze more rapidly and remain there longer even when in motion.
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Still having some trouble from time to time with proximity sensor, screen wake (almost locks on or off) and fingerprint sensor when waking.
I wiped both dalvik/art and system cache which seemed to help for a bit and also seemed to make the phone a bit more responsive, but this afternoon, the above problems resurfaced.
Can you please recommend some settings to start with, since I'm a noob with greenify, and I'm not sure if I have everything set right. Also might app updates without a reboot have something to do with this?
HTC10
Maximus HD (MM)
Rooted (obviously)
Xposed
Thanks in advance!
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BillTheCat said:
Still having some trouble from time to time with proximity sensor, screen wake (almost locks on or off) and fingerprint sensor when waking.
I wiped both dalvik/art and system cache which seemed to help for a bit and also seemed to make the phone a bit more responsive, but this afternoon, the above problems resurfaced.
Can you please recommend some settings to start with, since I'm a noob with greenify, and I'm not sure if I have everything set right. Also might app updates without a reboot have something to do with this?
HTC10
Maximus HD (MM)
Rooted (obviously)
Xposed
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With Aggressive and Shallow doze disabled the only other setting that might prove troublesome is 'doze on the go'. However, that one is important on MM as it prevents your device from waking and/or staying awake when in motion. Still, might be worth disabling to see if it makes a difference.
Rebooting after app updates is generally unnecessary unless recommended by the developer.
Additional thoughts:
- verify working mode is Root + Boost (Xposed)
- keep the list of apps to explicitly Greenify short (demonstrated bad actors); implicit doze will take care of the rest
While my preference leans towards Greenify (ease of use; flexibility; long term track record; community support) there are several other fine apps with similar functionality. Force Doze pops to the top of the list. Occationally a user will report issues with one while the other works fine. Another option to consider.
BillTheCat said:
Still having some trouble from time to time with proximity sensor, screen wake (almost locks on or off) and fingerprint sensor when waking.
I wiped both dalvik/art and system cache which seemed to help for a bit and also seemed to make the phone a bit more responsive, but this afternoon, the above problems resurfaced.
Can you please recommend some settings to start with, since I'm a noob with greenify, and I'm not sure if I have everything set right. Also might app updates without a reboot have something to do with this?
HTC10
Maximus HD (MM)
Rooted (obviously)
Xposed
Thanks in advance!
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If you have greenified any system apps, please reconsider. One of them may be the culprit.
If nothing else works, ungreenify everything and start from scratch. Greenify one app at a time, observing the behavior for some time before greenifying the next. You may find the culprit. Laborious, but effective.
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With Aggressive and Shallow doze disabled the only other setting that might prove troublesome is 'doze on the go'...
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If you have greenified any system apps, please reconsider. One of them may be the culprit...
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Hey, guys. I'm still having trouble with both the proximity sensor and fingerprint sensor. Could really use some expert advice here.
The phone screen often does not come back on - especially during a long call or when switching between calls, and frequently just "loses its mind" and I have to press the power button to get the screen back, or even to turn the phone off. Another problem is waking via the fingerprint sensor which is unreliable.
I don't know if it's the settings I've selected (my money is on this one) or if there's a rogue app that's hosing me. For example, I use OneBox for my business IP Telephony. Could it be that?
I did, in fact, manually select a couple system apps to greenify, but that's because the ROM developer put them into the system space, rather than the user space. So I'm not sure if that counts.
Here's what I have so far...
Greenified:
ES File Exlorer Pro
Facebook
Firefox
Instagram
Key Ring
SensorPush
Settings:
Working Mode: Root+Boost
Shallow Hibernation DISABLED
Aggressive Doze DISABLED
Wake-up Tracking and Cutoff DISABLED
Automated Hibernation: SELECTED
Xposed based features:
Doze on the go: SELECTED
Wakeup Timer Coalescing SELECTED
Telephone Wakeup SELECTED
Greenifying System Apps: SELECTED
BillTheCat said:
Hey, guys. I'm still having trouble with both the proximity sensor and fingerprint sensor. Could really use some expert advice here.
The phone screen often does not come back on - especially during a long call or when switching between calls, and frequently just "loses its mind" and I have to press the power button to get the screen back, or even to turn the phone off. Another problem is waking via the fingerprint sensor which is unreliable.
I don't know if it's the settings I've selected (my money is on this one) or if there's a rogue app that's hosing me. For example, I use OneBox for my business IP Telephony. Could it be that?
I did, in fact, manually select a couple system apps to greenify, but that's because the ROM developer put them into the system space, rather than the user space. So I'm not sure if that counts.
Here's what I have so far...
Greenified:
ES File Exlorer Pro
Facebook
Firefox
Instagram
Key Ring
SensorPush
Settings:
Working Mode: Root+Boost
Shallow Hibernation DISABLED
Aggressive Doze DISABLED
Wake-up Tracking and Cutoff DISABLED
Automated Hibernation: SELECTED
Xposed based features:
Doze on the go: SELECTED
Wakeup Timer Coalescing SELECTED
Telephone Wakeup SELECTED
Greenifying System Apps: SELECTED
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Did you try the earlier suggestion of removing everything from hibernation and then hibernating one app at a time? If not, try that.
What is SensorPush? Is that the wireless thermometer thingy? Disable that and see.
tnsmani said:
Did you try the earlier suggestion of removing everything from hibernation and then hibernating one app at a time? If not, try that.
What is SensorPush? Is that the wireless thermometer thingy? Disable that and see.
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Actually, I figured I'd start from scratch. Disabled the app in Xposed, used TiBu to wipe data and uninstall. I'm going to wipe all the caches and reboot to see what happens.
What I could use some help with is to understand what settings in the app you guys would recommend for my phone /rom:
HTC10
Maximus HD (Marshmallow)
Xposed
Once I'm OK with basic settings, I'll follow your suggestion of one app at a tim.
Yes, Sensor Push is the app for remote temperature / humidity sensors. But it's not this app, I've only had it installed for a couple days, the problem has persisted for weeks beforehand.
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BillTheCat said:
Actually, I figured I'd start from scratch. Disabled the app in Xposed, used TiBu to wipe data and uninstall. I'm going to wipe all the caches and reboot to see what happens.
What I could use some help with is to understand what settings in the app you guys would recommend for my phone /rom:
HTC10
Maximus HD (Marshmallow)
Xposed
Once I'm OK with basic settings, I'll follow your suggestion of one app at a tim.
Yes, Sensor Push is the app for remote temperature / humidity sensors. But it's not this app, I've only had it installed for a couple days, the problem has persisted for weeks beforehand.
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No appwise recommendations can be made since the device, ROM, kernel, apps etc vary vastly not to speak of the the specific usage pattern of the individual.
What is recommended though is to greenify those apps which you don't use often but which keep running. Do not greenify apps which you often use.
As for system apps, be careful, but the same principle applies. Don't greenify something like PlayServices because its running is essential and it will continuously try to wake up draining battery.
Install BBS and monitor which apps drain battery and then greenify only those which drain but will not cause issues if greenified. Always greenify one app at a time to see the effects.
In general, greenify as less apps as possible.
I have a Moto G4 Play model number XT1600 (Moto G Paly in the US) and I am having some issues with the proximity sensor.
When answering a call, sometimes the screen goes dark and unresponsive to touch or by quickly pressing the power button. I have Greenify installed but I'm not sure if it is related.
After reading some posts here, I decided to understand the behavior of my phone when I make the calls and here is what I learned:
- after the proximity sensor turn the screen off when the phone is close to the ear, many times it will not detect when the phone is put away from the ear. But if you make a movement that leaves the phone in the horizontal position in your hand, the screen will be lit again (it takes a few seconds).
- if you put away the phone from the ear and leave it in a desk in the horizontal position, the screen will almost immediately be lit again. It seems that the proximity sensor works together with another sensor that detects the little bump when you put the phone on the desk.
- I did the movement to put the phone away from the ear, leaving it in the horizontal position in my hand; screen continued dark. Then with my finger I did a few taps in the back of the phone and the screen went on again.
- Another test I did when none of the above alternatives worked: in the settings there is an option to turn the camera on with a double press of the power button. When this option is set and the screen goes unresponsive while answering a call, I do the double click to activate the camera. The screen turns on with the camera app and then I am able to switch to the phone app.
Annoying but it is an alternative solution.
Not sure if this is the normal behavior but this is what I learned today
hjbuzzi said:
I have a Moto G4 Play model number XT1600 (Moto G Paly in the US) and I am having some issues with the proximity sensor.
When answering a call, sometimes the screen goes dark and unresponsive to touch or by quickly pressing the power button. I have Greenify installed but I'm not sure if it is related.
After reading some posts here, I decided to understand the behavior of my phone when I make the calls and here is what I learned:
- after the proximity sensor turn the screen off when the phone is close to the ear, many times it will not detect when the phone is put away from the ear. But if you make a movement that leaves the phone in the horizontal position in your hand, the screen will be lit again (it takes a few seconds).
- if you put away the phone from the ear and leave it in a desk in the horizontal position, the screen will almost immediately be lit again. It seems that the proximity sensor works together with another sensor that detects the little bump when you put the phone on the desk.
- I did the movement to put the phone away from the ear, leaving it in the horizontal position in my hand; screen continued dark. Then with my finger I did a few taps in the back of the phone and the screen went on again.
- Another test I did when none of the above alternatives worked: in the settings there is an option to turn the camera on with a double press of the power button. When this option is set and the screen goes unresponsive while answering a call, I do the double click to activate the camera. The screen turns on with the camera app and then I am able to switch to the phone app.
Annoying but it is an alternative solution.
Not sure if this is the normal behavior but this is what I learned today
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I experienced this same issue on an older XT1030 which is the mini varient of a 2nd gen Moto X. Spent quite a bit of time trying to diagnose the issue (like you) and had devised various work-arounds that were never quite satiafsctory. Also rocking Greenify w/Xposed but ultimately determined that was not a direct factor with the proximity sensor glitch.
What fixed it (for me) was Gravity Screen which you can find in the Play Store. Takes a bit to get understand how to configure but very nice once everything is set up. One downside is you will probably want to disable Moto's active screen function - at least during initial configuration. Good luck.
Is there any reason why pending updates might have an effect on the proximity sensor?
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BillTheCat said:
Is there any reason why pending updates might have an effect on the proximity sensor?
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I have noticed that if app updates are kept pending in PlayStore, it does affect various things, which seem totally unconnected.
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I have noticed that if app updates are kept pending in PlayStore, it does affect various things, which seem totally unconnected.
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Ah. So I'm not hallucinating after all...
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Well guys, it looks like I'm going to have to abandon Greenify. I just can't seem to find any combination of settings that won't interfere with the proximity sensor. Unfortunate, really, because it's a great app and I even bought the donation package, but it's just making my life miserable.
Anyway suggests for alternatives would be appreciated. I have one mention for 'force doze'. Anything else?
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I wish I had more technical skills to understand why my Moto G4 Play (XT1600) had its proximity sensor behaving erratically for several days. I uninstalled Greenify and installed it again. Settings are
Working mode NON ROOT, Agressive doze ON, Wake-up Tracking DISABLED, Auto Hibernation OFF, Alternative Screen Off Mode OFF, Quick Action Notification OFF, Long Press OFF, Don't Remove Notifications ON, Xposed Features (not available), Greenifying System Apps OFF, Extras for Geek OFF.
My proximity sensor is working fine with Greenify installed.
I keep all my apps and system up to date and I suspect that some recent update may have fixed the erratic behavior of the proximity sensor.
hjbuzzi said:
I wish I had more technical skills to understand why my Moto G4 Play (XT1600) had its proximity sensor behaving erratically for several days. I uninstalled Greenify and installed it again. Settings are
Working mode NON ROOT, Agressive doze ON, Wake-up Tracking DISABLED, Auto Hibernation OFF, Alternative Screen Off Mode OFF, Quick Action Notification OFF, Long Press OFF, Don't Remove Notifications ON, Xposed Features (not available), Greenifying System Apps OFF, Extras for Geek OFF.
My proximity sensor is working fine with Greenify installed.
I keep all my apps and system up to date and I suspect that some recent update may have fixed the erratic behavior of the proximity sensor.
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Aggressive doze is neither needed nor beneficial on most configs. However, it can result in erratic app/device behavior. Suggest disabling and observe drain over several charge/discharge cycles. If only looking at at sleep performance be sure to include 1-2 min after waking as the device plays 'catch-up'. If there are no overall benefits to aggressive doze why introduce the potential for side-effects?
I have installed several apps that need Accessibility set to On in order for them to keep working. 3 of those keep getting disabled by I guess the system and I have to go in and toggle that permission switch to Off and then back On again. It happens randomly, sometimes after a few days and sometimes after a few hours but when it happens it alway affects those 3 apps together.
The 3 apps are Super Status Bar, Power Shade Premium and Energy Ring. Others like Button Mapper or Nova (for doubletap to sleep) are unaffected.
Those apps are excluded from battery optimization, I'm not rooted (yet) and I don't have any "app killer" running. Googling was no help so I'm hoping someone here has an idea. I'm guessing A12 is doing something shady here, but how do I stop it from happening?
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I have installed several apps that need Accessibility set to On in order for them to keep working. 3 of those keep getting disabled by I guess the system and I have to go in and toggle that permission switch to Off and then back On again. It happens randomly, sometimes after a few days and sometimes after a few hours but when it happens it alway affects those 3 apps together.
The 3 apps are Super Status Bar, Power Shade Premium and Energy Ring. Others like Button Mapper or Nova (for doubletap to sleep) are unaffected.
Those apps are excluded from battery optimization, I'm not rooted (yet) and I don't have any "app killer" running. Googling was no help so I'm hoping someone here has an idea. I'm guessing A12 is doing something shady here, but how do I stop it from happening?
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I'm wondering if you've entered Power Saving Mode before this problem occurs? At least 2 of these apps will be killed when Power Saving Mode is entered and you have to restart your device to get it going again. Maybe it also kills the Accessibility service? Not really sure, just throwing it out there.
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I'm wondering if you've entered Power Saving Mode before this problem occurs? At least 2 of these apps will be killed when Power Saving Mode is entered and you have to restart your device to get it going again. Maybe it also kills the Accessibility service? Not really sure, just throwing it out there.
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No, Power Saving Mode is disabled and the battery wasn't low enough for it to even have kicked in. When it happened (twice!) yesterday the battery was 40-50% both times. Adaptive battery is disabled too so battery "shouldn't" be causing it in any way.
Thanks for replying though
Just a small update:
Oddly enough since I started this thread it hasn't happened again
I did sideload that mid-month update right around the same time of my post, maybe that fixed it ... no idea really, I'm just glad it's not happening any more