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I've been using custom ROMs on my Touch Pro (GSM) for quite a while. It's my understanding that GSM and CDMA phones have different crack/root methods. The international Galaxy S phones are all GSM right now until Verizon and Sprint release theirs, correct? Does this mean that the root process and the ROMs in the Galaxy S forum that are already there will not work on the CDMA Galaxy S phones that are launching shortly? (in other words, the CDMA version hasn't been rooted and the bootloader is uncracked still, right?)
Anyone following the current instructions for rooting a Galaxy S with the CDMA version about to come out could permanently brick their phone, I presume?
Only time will tell. Looked at the galaxy s root method and its simply a root kernel flashed. I don't know if it will have to be modded for the fascinates software and hardware change but I hope not. as far as the euro version the boot loader is open. Lets hope it stays that way. Or I'm off to HTC
As I understand it will have to be modded becuase kernels for CDMA & GSM are very different, but I think that Samsung is going to be releasing these phones with unlocked bootloaders, so they should be very easy to root, which is a really good thing because that touchwiz UI is just horrible.
Honestly I would rather have touchwiz and Bing than a locked down phone. You can always install adw or launcherpro and maps to replace Bing
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Honestly I would rather have touchwiz and Bing than a locked down phone. You can always install adw or launcherpro and maps to replace Bing
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Yeah. If there is still no release date announced for the Fascinate by Thursday evening, I am cancelling my Droid X pre-order at Best Buy. I'm only picking up a Droid X if I can use it and then change to the Fascinate when it comes out, assuming the date is less than 30 days from the X launch
I'm going to buy, and stick with, the Fascinate either way. Screw Motorola and their Apple-like "locking down" mantra.
i feel the same way wont buy another motorola phone even if it comes out with a 12mp camera prints money and has the omap4430. dont want my phones locked down
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Yeah. If there is still no release date announced for the Fascinate by Thursday evening, I am cancelling my Droid X pre-order at Best Buy. I'm only picking up a Droid X if I can use it and then change to the Fascinate when it comes out, assuming the date is less than 30 days from the X launch
I'm going to buy, and stick with, the Fascinate either way. Screw Motorola and their Apple-like "locking down" mantra.
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There is no way verizon is going to say the release date before the droid x comes out, because it would hurt sales for the Droid X. What I am going to do is purchase the droid x and use it. There is a very good chance they will tell the release date between now and 30 days from now. If the release date is within a reasonable time frame then I will return the droid x at the 30 day mark and hold out for the fascinate. If not, I will be sticking with the droid x. Yes you have to pay a $35 restocking fee, which in itself is absolutely ridiculous, but I would much rather have a phone that I am happy to have for 2 years than a phone that I would want to get rid of within the year.
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There is no way verizon is going to say the release date before the droid x comes out, because it would hurt sales for the Droid X. What I am going to do is purchase the droid x and use it. There is a very good chance they will tell the release date between now and 30 days from now. If the release date is within a reasonable time frame then I will return the droid x at the 30 day mark and hold out for the fascinate. If not, I will be sticking with the droid x. Yes you have to pay a $35 restocking fee, which in itself is absolutely ridiculous, but I would much rather have a phone that I am happy to have for 2 years than a phone that I would want to get rid of within the year.
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Aye, exactly what I'll be doing. I only hope the Fascinate comes out within 30 days of the Droid X.
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Aye, exactly what I'll be doing. I only hope the Fascinate comes out within 30 days of the Droid X.
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Yep hopefully, it will make my decision a lot easier. The one only reason I would go with the Fascinate is because of it being unlocked. I love the hardware on the droid x, but I want to be able to run Ubuntu and other OS's off of it. I plan on using my phone like a laptop basically.
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There is no way verizon is going to say the release date before the droid x comes out, because it would hurt sales for the Droid X. What I am going to do is purchase the droid x and use it. There is a very good chance they will tell the release date between now and 30 days from now. If the release date is within a reasonable time frame then I will return the droid x at the 30 day mark and hold out for the fascinate. If not, I will be sticking with the droid x. Yes you have to pay a $35 restocking fee, which in itself is absolutely ridiculous, but I would much rather have a phone that I am happy to have for 2 years than a phone that I would want to get rid of within the year.
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Is this guy serious!!! Does no one at all have a clue as to why they have a restocking fee? First off the exchange policy used to be 14 or 15 days or something like that. Now that its 30 a lot more people probably return phones and now that phones cost so much more than they used to it is likely Verizon did this just to put a slight reduction in the amount of returns.
Do you think they resale that phone you return? Do you think Motorola just gives them the money back for it? How about Definitely not for answer 1 and probably not for answer 2 I used to work for a company that sold pioneer elite products they had a no refund policy to us meaning even if it was defective. So what happens to a phone when you blatantly misuse the refund exchange system? Well I would guess that every single plastic/metal exterior part is replaces and it is used for a refurbished unit when someone thinks there perfectly fine phone is broken.
Soooo.... what is the end result? I pay more for my phone and my service because Verizon's cost is artificially raised by someone who just lacks either understanding or ethics. If you are one of these people which one are you? After reading this and you still do it you are the later.
Do not think that renting a phone is your right. What right do you have to ruining a $500 phone? Are you engadget are you writting a big review? Why don't you just save $35 save Verizon and its customers $500 and wait for the Samsung to come out.
I bought the X yesterday before finding out that it is super locked down when I receive it in the mail today I will choose one of 2 options. ... I will return it without activating it or I will use it until the samsung comes out then I will give it to my girlfriend since she doesn't care about rooting except that it makes everything on her phone pink (she will live without).
If you want the samsung get the samsung just wait for it. Also the correct game plan for Verizon would be to put the phone about 45 days outside the droid x launch. It would stager their sales and reduce the chance exchanges for the droid x. We will see what happens but who knows.
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Is this guy serious!!! Does no one at all have a clue as to why they have a restocking fee? First off the exchange policy used to be 14 or 15 days or something like that. Now that its 30 a lot more people probably return phones and now that phones cost so much more than they used to it is likely Verizon did this just to put a slight reduction in the amount of returns.
Do you think they resale that phone you return? Do you think Motorola just gives them the money back for it? How about Definitely not for answer 1 and probably not for answer 2 I used to work for a company that sold pioneer elite products they had a no refund policy to us meaning even if it was defective. So what happens to a phone when you blatantly misuse the refund exchange system? Well I would guess that every single plastic/metal exterior part is replaces and it is used for a refurbished unit when someone thinks there perfectly fine phone is broken.
Soooo.... what is the end result? I pay more for my phone and my service because Verizon's cost is artificially raised by someone who just lacks either understanding or ethics. If you are one of these people which one are you? After reading this and you still do it you are the later.
Do not think that renting a phone is your right. What right do you have to ruining a $500 phone? Are you engadget are you writting a big review? Why don't you just save $35 save Verizon and its customers $500 and wait for the Samsung to come out.
I bought the X yesterday before finding out that it is super locked down when I receive it in the mail today I will choose one of 2 options. ... I will return it without activating it or I will use it until the samsung comes out then I will give it to my girlfriend since she doesn't care about rooting except that it makes everything on her phone pink (she will live without).
If you want the samsung get the samsung just wait for it. Also the correct game plan for Verizon would be to put the phone about 45 days outside the droid x launch. It would stager their sales and reduce the chance exchanges for the droid x. We will see what happens but who knows.
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I would have considered returning the Droid X simply because something better is coming out and I decided I would rather have it than the Droid X. I thought that was the point. I can see your point though, if you know for a fact that you will want this other phone and are "renting" the DX that is pretty low.
At the same time, so what. Verizon ultimately has to remain competitive with the other carriers, and I have a hard time imagining that the very small percentage of the overall market who "rents" phones that have to be sold as refurbished are artificially increasing your price that much. I could be wrong.
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I would have considered returning the Droid X simply because something better is coming out and I decided I would rather have it than the Droid X.
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Oh, also I am going to return the Droid X within 30 days and wait for the Fascinate. I was hoping to like the Droid X and didn't even consider the Fascinate, but I've had problems with the Droid X hardware and software so far and have buyer's remorse pretty bad right now.
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Is this guy serious!!! Does no one at all have a clue as to why they have a restocking fee? First off the exchange policy used to be 14 or 15 days or something like that. Now that its 30 a lot more people probably return phones and now that phones cost so much more than they used to it is likely Verizon did this just to put a slight reduction in the amount of returns.
Do you think they resale that phone you return? Do you think Motorola just gives them the money back for it? How about Definitely not for answer 1 and probably not for answer 2 I used to work for a company that sold pioneer elite products they had a no refund policy to us meaning even if it was defective. So what happens to a phone when you blatantly misuse the refund exchange system? Well I would guess that every single plastic/metal exterior part is replaces and it is used for a refurbished unit when someone thinks there perfectly fine phone is broken.
Soooo.... what is the end result? I pay more for my phone and my service because Verizon's cost is artificially raised by someone who just lacks either understanding or ethics. If you are one of these people which one are you? After reading this and you still do it you are the later.
Do not think that renting a phone is your right. What right do you have to ruining a $500 phone? Are you engadget are you writting a big review? Why don't you just save $35 save Verizon and its customers $500 and wait for the Samsung to come out.
I bought the X yesterday before finding out that it is super locked down when I receive it in the mail today I will choose one of 2 options. ... I will return it without activating it or I will use it until the samsung comes out then I will give it to my girlfriend since she doesn't care about rooting except that it makes everything on her phone pink (she will live without).
If you want the samsung get the samsung just wait for it. Also the correct game plan for Verizon would be to put the phone about 45 days outside the droid x launch. It would stager their sales and reduce the chance exchanges for the droid x. We will see what happens but who knows.
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You make some good points, and it irritates me when people return a product because it didn't overclock as much as they'd thought, or that they flashed an unofficial update that bricked it, or something else. But, with a phone, there's no way you're going to put that device through its paces to know if its right for you after playing with it for 10 minutes at the store. I don't think an All Sales are Final policy would be a good idea, personally. Can't speak for everyone, but if I knew I couldn't return a phone, I'd wait weeks before purchasing it for reviews and user experiences to proliferate.
You hit the nail on the head with staggered launches though. I'd rather see high end phones launch every 6 months or so so that I've always got something to look forward too when my contracts run short.
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Is this guy serious!!! Does no one at all have a clue as to why they have a restocking fee? First off the exchange policy used to be 14 or 15 days or something like that. Now that its 30 a lot more people probably return phones and now that phones cost so much more than they used to it is likely Verizon did this just to put a slight reduction in the amount of returns.
Do you think they resale that phone you return? Do you think Motorola just gives them the money back for it? How about Definitely not for answer 1 and probably not for answer 2 I used to work for a company that sold pioneer elite products they had a no refund policy to us meaning even if it was defective. So what happens to a phone when you blatantly misuse the refund exchange system? Well I would guess that every single plastic/metal exterior part is replaces and it is used for a refurbished unit when someone thinks there perfectly fine phone is broken.
Soooo.... what is the end result? I pay more for my phone and my service because Verizon's cost is artificially raised by someone who just lacks either understanding or ethics. If you are one of these people which one are you? After reading this and you still do it you are the later.
Do not think that renting a phone is your right. What right do you have to ruining a $500 phone? Are you engadget are you writting a big review? Why don't you just save $35 save Verizon and its customers $500 and wait for the Samsung to come out.
I bought the X yesterday before finding out that it is super locked down when I receive it in the mail today I will choose one of 2 options. ... I will return it without activating it or I will use it until the samsung comes out then I will give it to my girlfriend since she doesn't care about rooting except that it makes everything on her phone pink (she will live without).
If you want the samsung get the samsung just wait for it. Also the correct game plan for Verizon would be to put the phone about 45 days outside the droid x launch. It would stager their sales and reduce the chance exchanges for the droid x. We will see what happens but who knows.
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I'm so glad to see this. Way too many people return phone for phone knowing they will never keep phone #1. That is wrong - there is no other way of looking at it. Verizon will let you sit there and play all day on a phone to try it out - there is no necessary reason for someone to have to go home to try your possible new phone. If you make a purchase and come to realize that there is something you just can't live with... then you have a viable reason to make an exchange. If not... maybe try to live with a little honor and respect in your life?
Don't be that guy... that guy is a loser.
- AdamZ
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I'm so glad to see this. Way too many people return phone for phone knowing they will never keep phone #1. That is wrong - there is no other way of looking at it. Verizon will let you sit there and play all day on a phone to try it out - there is no necessary reason for someone to have to go home to try your possible new phone. If you make a purchase and come to realize that there is something you just can't live with... then you have a viable reason to make an exchange. If not... maybe try to live with a little honor and respect in your life?
Don't be that guy... that guy is a loser.
- AdamZ
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AdamZ.... I miss you ( Smoked Glass used to be my favorite ROM. Where you been man? How ya been? haha. Are you gonna pick up a Fascinate?
jack_isidore said:
Oh, also I am going to return the Droid X within 30 days and wait for the Fascinate. I was hoping to like the Droid X and didn't even consider the Fascinate, but I've had problems with the Droid X hardware and software so far and have buyer's remorse pretty bad right now.
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Funny to look back at some of these old posts...
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Roland Deschain said:
Yeah. If there is still no release date announced for the Fascinate by Thursday evening, I am cancelling my Droid X pre-order at Best Buy. I'm only picking up a Droid X if I can use it and then change to the Fascinate when it comes out, assuming the date is less than 30 days from the X launch
I'm going to buy, and stick with, the Fascinate either way. Screw Motorola and their Apple-like "locking down" mantra.
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They can get away with that with the majority of the sheeple - who think apple is the greatest.
So it looks like 1/11/11 @ 11:11 the Verizon iPhone will come.
Who is jumping ship?
I am about 90% sure I will be, what do I need to do to wipe my phone of root and all of my data?
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Thanks for the post!
dont know if/when its coming to verizon is true and dont care. With root access, the rate of android development and the amount of devices to choose from I have no desire to leave android. Much more likely to leave verizon than android lol. I mean really I dont understand why anyone who wants an iphone doesn't just use AT&T and have one.
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I mean really I dont understand why anyone who wants an iphone doesn't just use AT&T and have one.
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I don't get a signal from at&t at home, so that's why I stayed with Verizon Wireless and changed from (crappy) WM to Android.
I'm glad that VZW is getting the iPhone - more competition is always good for everybody, and they are damned good smartphones. I'm a bit tempted, but I've grown fond of Android, I've used Gmail and Google Calendar for a long time, I vastly prefer Android's notifications to iOS's, and I have a Touch 4G anyway, so I can get anything I need from iOS with that.
My new every 2 comes in August, and by then there will be a new iPhone, and likely new Android phones as well. So long as my Eris lasts that long, I'm thinking that waiting until after the iPhone 5G comes out is the smartest thing for me (whether I choose that or Android) in the long run.
Good post, thanks!
I know I personally am tempted to use the iPhone only because it's still so absolutely supported. When a company says "we've gone mobile" they usually mean they have an iPhone app... and if I'm lucky I'll get an android app a month or more later.
This can be seen with netflix. I love the idea of netflix on a phone, but android doesn't have it. Why? Simply because netflix hasn't gotten around to it.
When you're on the iPhone you have the satisfaction of knowing that you're a "priority customer" for companies.
The fact is I still won't go with the iPhone because I enjoy the Android OS far too much. I personally think it is flawed to the core in some areas, but then again so is iOS so I'm not complaining.
I'll be jumping ship to the iPhone. Don't get me wrong... I love my Eris and it's been good to me, especially with the good community here at XDA.
I've always wanted an iPhone and it'll go good with my iPad! Can't wait for it on VZW!
I plan on ditching my Eris here soon hopefully, but it will not be for an iPhone. I have bought into the Android ecosystem with apps for my phone, and my tablet. I'm however very interested in the Droid Bionic that was announced at CES.
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I know I personally am tempted to use the iPhone only because it's still so absolutely supported. When a company says "we've gone mobile" they usually mean they have an iPhone app... and if I'm lucky I'll get an android app a month or more later.
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My #1 reason for jumping ship...
I am tired of my sister, brother, brother-in-law coming to me and saying hey check out this cool new app/game.....do you have it on Android yet?
Me: No.... and they don't mention any development for Android on their site.
i think that the android community as a whole is going to suffer greatly from the arrival of iphone. the vast majority of android users dont root their phones, and have not been able to utilize android in the same way that we have. the ones that purchased their android when it first came to verizon and didnt root, are stuck with an unsupported phone. iphone is really appealing to the average user. i see many people ditching google to go with apple.
i dont plan on changing any time soon to the iphone simply because it will not be 4G, doesnt have the customization aspects that android does with root and whatnot, and in june they will have the iphone 5 coming out. its a little suspect that verizon is coming out with the iphone 4, 6 months before the new iphone is slated to come out. i see a lot of hardware/software issues arising due to the fact verizon is trying to push this out as fast as they can to cash in on the people that buy it mid contract. it also helps that they are changing their upgrade policies right before this phone comes out to try to entice people to upgrade now
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This may be a bit off topic, but I'm really dissapointed in the direction verizon is going as far as the upgrade/NE2 goes. Honestly I'm going to be changing carriers next year when my contract is up. I just hope other carriers don't follow big reds direction.
Also, I'm not looking forward to 4g. They are going to charge out the butt for it and cap data usage. Doesn't sound fun to me... of course I'm sure most if not all carriers are going to do the same
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This may be a bit off topic, but I'm really dissapointed in the direction verizon is going as far as the upgrade/NE2 goes. Honestly I'm going to be changing carriers next year when my contract is up. I just hope other carriers don't follow big reds direction.
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Forget Sprint and T-Mobile - they are smaller, so will always be more aggressive. Does AT&T do anything like this? I remember last year when the iPhone 4 came out they made a big deal about the fact that anybody whose contract was due in 2010 was eligible for an early upgrade to the 4, but that was only the iPhone 4 and was, at best, 6 months early. Verizon sets theirs at 2 months early for one year contracts and 4 months early for two year contracts for everybody with this (rumored) policy change.
Honestly, I don't know what AT&T does, but I thought that Verizon was always better about this?
Also, I'm not looking forward to 4g. They are going to charge out the butt for it and cap data usage. Doesn't sound fun to me... of course I'm sure most if not all carriers are going to do the same
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Evidence? At this point it's just a guess. If we base our guess on the data plans for modems, you may be surprised. In the past, 3G modems were capped at 5 GB and priced $60 per month (while smartphone data plans were unlimited and priced at $30 a month). 4G data plans for modems are $50 a month for 5 GB and $80 a month for 10 GB. I'm not sure that I would call that "charging out the butt".
We do know what Sprint does for 4G smartphones - they do not cap and surcharge $10 more per month, right? It seems reasonable that VZW will do something similar, or at least not out of that neighborhood.
I for one will be getting one as soon as they're available. Why? Well, I have three lines and the third is up for upgrade at any time. My primary line is up for upgrade in October this year so if I don't like the iPhone I can always go back to Android.
Another reason is that it's a damn sexy phone, no matter what people may say about it.
Eventually they'll have Android running on the iPhone 4, (it's already sort of working on the 3GS) so I could always have the looks and the OS that I've grown to like. I won't switch to AT&T simply for the reason that I get a 20% business discount on Verizon and I've been with Verizon since before the iPhone was introduced. I've waited this long for it, I've been wanting one since it came out, so I'll at least have to buy one to see how it compares to my Eris. (And Android in general) I have an iPod Touch so I'm familiar with iOS, so I'm not too worried about that.
Besides, everything else in the house is Apple, might as well have the dang phone too!
Didnt read through all posts, but iPhone 4 comes to Verizon 02/11/11 @ 12:00am. IPhone 5 is rumored to arrive at Verizon in July, with a new body and possibly LTE. But as stated, it is rumored. I'm adding s line to have both android and apple OS.
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Im an Android fanboy, nope.
I (thought) I'd be ready to jump to iphone first chance but now that I can I'm having second thoughts. My rooted eris is so great. I might just stick with HTC/Droid and go for the incredible HD. I'm itching for something but at the same time I'm very happy with what I have.
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i wouldnt buy iphoney lol ,,,,, first flaw ,,, whos bright idea was it not to have a door for the battery? lol im not gunna send my phone out and wait a few dayz to get it back because the battery died lol two hate the look of it ,,,,and i love the freedom of android
Since i have recently ditched all my Apple stuff, know way. I'm thinking Droid Bionic, unless HTC breaks out a dual-core with 1 gb of ram... I'm counting the days until my July upgrade date!
I'm not jumping because I personally think that Android in a few years will kill the iPhone, iPhone's been around a while and you know how things go... electronics last 5-6 years (estimate), then die out completely to a competitor. So, iPhone has had it's time, and Android is going to overtake Apple. Second of all, it's GOOGLE GODDAMNIT!
P.S. There's 26 Letters in the Alphabet, we're only on 6.
I'm able to upgrade from my Thunderbolt to the Rezound for $99 (I can't seem to stomach the 2-yr contract even at that price!). I like my Thunderbolt but I have the itch to upgrade.... I can probably even sell my Thunderbolt on Ebay and make $100 lol. Anybody coming from a Thunderbolt wishing they stuck with the Thunderbolt and waited for a quad-core?
It's head and shoulders better than the Thunderbolt, but you may as well wait. With only two-year contracts these days it's worth the wait.
I've owned both, and I love my Rezound, but I got it as a replacement. I wouldn't have bothered otherwise.
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It's head and shoulders better than the Thunderbolt, but you may as well wait. With only two-year contracts these days it's worth the wait.
I've owned both, and I love my Rezound, but I got it as a replacement. I wouldn't have bothered otherwise.
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How did you manage to get it as a replacement?! I am on my 3rd replacement for the thunderbolt and they absolutely refuse to give me anything else.
anothen said:
How did you manage to get it as a replacement?! I am on my 3rd replacement for the thunderbolt and they absolutely refuse to give me anything else.
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It was kind of a mess, and it took a week of ****ing up customer service, executive customer service, and some nasty emails. I don't recommend it.
Did you get your TBolt on a one-year contract? That's probably the problem. They told me they pretty much wouldn't give someone who was about to be off-contract a new phone. They eventually did, but it was awful.
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It was kind of a mess, and it took a week of ****ing up customer service, executive customer service, and some nasty emails. I don't recommend it.
Did you get your TBolt on a one-year contract? That's probably the problem. They told me they pretty much wouldn't give someone who was about to be off-contract a new phone. They eventually did, but it was awful.
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Exactly the problem. I paid extra for a one-year contract so they told me the same thing: We can't change your phone if you are able to upgrade. I am more than happy to go through the process if it means me not having to be in a stupid 2 year contract lol
Here's the best question...what would you be waiting for? All of the announced HTC phones aren't for CDMA carriers. Who knows when the next crop of phones would be hitting and what they would be.
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Here's the best question...what would you be waiting for? All of the announced HTC phones aren't for CDMA carriers. Who knows when the next crop of phones would be hitting and what they would be.
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There will be an HTC One on Verizon soon enough. The MSM8960 SOC supports CDMA and LTE.
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Here's the best question...what would you be waiting for? All of the announced HTC phones aren't for CDMA carriers. Who knows when the next crop of phones would be hitting and what they would be.
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rumored HTC fireball is CDMA and modeled ADR6410 which would be a successor to the Thunderbolt. If it's quad-core and coming in the next 4-6 months it may be the way to go...
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Exactly the problem. I paid extra for a one-year contract so they told me the same thing: We can't change your phone if you are able to upgrade. I am more than happy to go through the process if it means me not having to be in a stupid 2 year contract lol
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I was only able to because a CS agent ****ed up. Or, rather, did their job, and Verizon claimed they ****ed up, and so I appealed to a higher power.
A Verizon CS promised me a Rezound as a replacement, said it was in the mail, blah blah blah. I called a few hours later when I realized I wasn't sure if had included a battery and back in the package. The nice lady I talked to saw the order for the Rezound and no order for a battery and a backplate. So she ordered that and sent it to me.
Two days later I get two packages. One with the Rezound battery backplate and battery, and one with a Thunderbolt. One of those wtf moments. So I called in, asked what happened, and after hours on the phone they finally determined that the original CS agent was not authorized to give me a Rezound, and so the order had been cancelled, and they just sent me another Thunderbolt, all without telling me. All the while they gave me at least three or four different reasons, the first being that they had never ordered me a Rezound in the first place. So I asked the obvious question of, so why did I get a Rezound battery and backplate?
In the end they wouldn't budge. Only a Thunderbolt for me. No Rezound possible, despite them promising one to me.
I was kinda pissed, so I wrote executive CS an email detailing the situation. They called me, sorted the story out, and shipped me a Rezound.
I think the only reason I got a Rezound was because of their enormous series of ****ups. Without that they probably would have given me the same brush off they gave you. Well, they tried to give it to me. I'm not sure you'll have any luck--my situation was pretty particular.
Ironically I have a very similar issue. The customer service rep lied to me and said there is no other 4G HTC that is any better than mine so my option was to downgrade to a 3G HTC or take another Thunderbolt. I said "what about the rezound?". He told me the screen size was bigger on the Rezound so that is not possible. I responded by correcting him about the size. He said, "Ok fine, I will try to ship you the Rezound and you may have it by Tuesday but it will probably get denied. I will call you tomorrow if that happens". Sure enough, I was on the phone with his supervisor the next day because he never called me (shocker). They basically told me to pound sand in nice words. Eh whatever...
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Exactly the problem. I paid extra for a one-year contract so they told me the same thing: We can't change your phone if you are able to upgrade. I am more than happy to go through the process if it means me not having to be in a stupid 2 year contract lol
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That's weird to me. Because if you're able to upgrade then your contract is coming close to being up and you would be free to go to another carrier. A long time ago on Sprint or Cingular my phone broke when my contract was over and they said they didn't want to give me one for free (I had no insurance or anything) but at the same time they were unable to diagnose what the problem was since it couldn't turn on. So I told them if you can't tell me what's wrong with it and you won't replace it I'll just go get a free phone from another carrier. Within 5 minutes they were giving me a phone. They offered me a particular one and I asked about a different one that was the same price and they let me have that. This was in flip phone days, still it was $100 price on phone.
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That's weird to me. Because if you're able to upgrade then your contract is coming close to being up and you would be free to go to another carrier. A long time ago on Sprint or Cingular my phone broke when my contract was over and they said they didn't want to give me one for free (I had no insurance or anything) but at the same time they were unable to diagnose what the problem was since it couldn't turn on. So I told them if you can't tell me what's wrong with it and you won't replace it I'll just go get a free phone from another carrier. Within 5 minutes they were giving me a phone. They offered me a particular one and I asked about a different one that was the same price and they let me have that. This was in flip phone days, still it was $100 price on phone.
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I'm able to cancel in June... Verizon allows you to upgrade 4 months ahead of contract renewal.
It probably depends on your usage habits. My wife has a year left with the TB, but it's a great phone for her. The Rezound screen and camera are leaps and bounds better, but the battery life and overheating issues make me hesitant to say its a substantially better device.
If you are a power user who will really appreciate the screen and speed, upgrade. Otherwise wait for the next batch of phones that we're sure to see late summer or so. May as well stay on the cutting edge if you have the option!
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There will be an HTC One on Verizon soon enough. The MSM8960 SOC supports CDMA and LTE.
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Don't take this as a wiseass commnent or anything but...Doesn't the Rezound have GSM hardware? When (other than the iPhone) has a manufacturer retrofitted a phone to work on Verizon?
From my experience and other's, they will pretty much only bulge ONLY if you are still a year or so ahead from the contract being done. People where able to upgrade from a Droid Charge to other 4G devices, same with the Bionic. Im getting my wife her 3rd Droid Charge replacement, it keeps dropping 4G like there's no tomorrow whereas my Rezound is perfectly fine. One more complaint and they guranteed me a different 4G phone.
From reading a bunch of other similar posts like mine, I think I'm gonna make the jump. @ $99 for such a powerful device, I'd probably be crazy for passing it up when it very recently came out
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From reading a bunch of other similar posts like mine, I think I'm gonna make the jump. @ $99 for such a powerful device, I'd probably be crazy for passing it up when it very recently came out
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I agree, I do have a feeling the Rezound will stay the best HTC phone on Verizon until the summer and even then still stay relevant.
Don't tell that to Verizon, they did a piss poor job of marketing the phone.
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Don't tell that to Verizon, they did a piss poor job of marketing the phone.
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Agreed! But I don't mind the price drop! Lol
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I'm able to upgrade from my Thunderbolt to the Rezound for $99 (I can't seem to stomach the 2-yr contract even at that price!). I like my Thunderbolt but I have the itch to upgrade.... I can probably even sell my Thunderbolt on Ebay and make $100 lol. Anybody coming from a Thunderbolt wishing they stuck with the Thunderbolt and waited for a quad-core?
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Dual core = not necessary Quad core = derp derp derp derp derp.
So far, Motorola's best response to us betrayed Photon owners was that they would buy our devices back for $100. After my initial excitement of Motorola's unending generosity died down, I realized that $100 isn't so generous after all.
-- Sprint will give you $63 for your phone.
-- Samsung will give you $75 for your phone. samsungupgrade.com
-- HTC will give you $75 for your phone. htctradeup.com
-- As of 10/2 used Photons are selling on ebay in good condition for more than $100 (search past listings for Photon 4G)
Essentially, excluding what you can get if you go to the trouble of selling your Photon on ebay, Motorola is giving us an extra $25, since they are requiring us to send in a device that does have some value elsewhere. Is $25 enough for you to stay a Motorola customer? That is certainly up to you. But you should at least be aware that other major phone manufacturers are not far off, and may very well provide better support.
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So far, Motorola's best response to us betrayed Photon owners was that they would buy our devices back for $100. After my initial excitement of Motorola's unending generosity died down, I realized that $100 isn't so generous after all.
-- Sprint will give you $63 for your phone.
-- Samsung will give you $75 for your phone. samsungupgrade.com
-- HTC will give you $75 for your phone. htctradeup.com
-- As of 10/2 used Photons are selling on ebay in good condition for more than $100 (search past listings for Photon 4G)
Essentially, excluding what you can get if you go to the trouble of selling your Photon on ebay, Motorola is giving us an extra $25, since they are requiring us to send in a device that does have some value elsewhere. Is $25 enough for you to stay a Motorola customer? That is certainly up to you. But you should at least be aware that other major phone manufacturers are not far off, and may very well provide better support.
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Thanks for the info. If I stay with Android (in spite of horrendous fragmentation), I go back to HTC. If not Android, I'll reconsider WP8 (had used WinMo up until 1.5 years ago).
I love my Photon HW, so really a shame what Moto has done.
I called Sprint and walked into a store asking if the Motorola credit was offered on top of the $63 they give you. They said they are not aware of any Motorola credit.
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refer them to this: https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/ci/documents/detail/2/motorola-jelly-bean-rebate_en-US
Is it even a credit?
I don't know if getting your rebate is contingent on it or not but on the website they bring up "If your phone is not updated to Jelly Bean we don't want you to miss out." Does this mean that they won't give the rebate if they do update your phone to JB?? Not sure, but I'd watch how they word their rebate contingencies.
It also requires you to purchase, or upgrade to another Motorola. So it's not really a credit, lol. You have to give up your phone, PLUS get another moto device, just to be eligible. I'll never go back to moto simply because they've started doing the stupidest thing ever and designed all they're new phones with built in batteries, my arch nemesis!! lol. They can keep they're money, and I'll keep my atrix.
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Agreed ...
It's not 100$ credit but they are actually making you to spend another/more bucks for upgrade ... why we upgrade if they failed to update
I've bought few months back then why i upgrade and spend more bucks for the same failed brand ...
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Could somebody copypasta this info into the Official Support My Moto Campaign Thread? I've been at it for almost 20hrs and am really starting to pay for it.
Lokifish Marz said:
Could somebody copypasta this info into the Official Support My Moto Campaign Thread? I've been at it for almost 20hrs and am really starting to pay for it.
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As requested, I have copy and pasted it.
I'm probably switching carriers, and probably going to get another Moto device. I love the radio/antenna/whatever it is that helps with reception, and the feel and build quality. I'm loving the way the droid razr maxx hd looks. I'm loving the other carrier at the moment. I know they screwed us on the Photon, but for the new phones they already seem to be doing better. Samsung took over a year to upgrade Epic 4g to gingerbread. They appear to have learned from that as the galaxy s3 looks to be getting JB before too long. Moto upgraded the Razr to ICS a couple months ago, and the Razrs are all supposed to get JB by the end of the year. The Photon Q is one of the three phones on the first round of devices that get officially unlocked bootloaders. You have to go to a website and enter a device ID to get the files, or something like that. But it has the unlockable bootloader like the developer edition. I know VZ hates unlocked bootloaders, but other than the RAZR maxx, I'll be looking at the next nexus devices. I don't dev much anyway. I have always like stock kernels with custom ROMs. They have always seemed more stable to me anyway.
I guess my point is this bad experience isn't enough for me to give up on Moto, because I'm not willing to go back to flimsy loss of signal phones, and I think in the future they'll be better. Just takes some time for them to get their crap together with the problems and then the Google purchase.
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I'm probably switching carriers, and probably going to get another Moto device. I love the radio/antenna/whatever it is that helps with reception, and the feel and build quality. I'm loving the way the droid razr maxx hd looks. I'm loving the other carrier at the moment. I know they screwed us on the Photon, but for the new phones they already seem to be doing better. Samsung took over a year to upgrade Epic 4g to gingerbread. They appear to have learned from that as the galaxy s3 looks to be getting JB before too long. Moto upgraded the Razr to ICS a couple months ago, and the Razrs are all supposed to get JB by the end of the year. The Photon Q is one of the three phones on the first round of devices that get officially unlocked bootloaders. You have to go to a website and enter a device ID to get the files, or something like that. But it has the unlockable bootloader like the developer edition. I know VZ hates unlocked bootloaders, but other than the RAZR maxx, I'll be looking at the next nexus devices. I don't dev much anyway. I have always like stock kernels with custom ROMs. They have always seemed more stable to me anyway.
I guess my point is this bad experience isn't enough for me to give up on Moto, because I'm not willing to go back to flimsy loss of signal phones, and I think in the future they'll be better. Just takes some time for them to get their crap together with the problems and then the Google purchase.
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Unfortunately for Sprint users many of your pluses don't apply. I haven't had a good signal in at least 4 months. I keep hearing the wonderful line "we're doing networks upgrades so there's nothing we can do ". The other day it took 7 minutes to make a phone call when I had a strong signal showing.
In addition to that the photon is now 2 OS upgrades behind. Many of us purchased a Motorola phone because of the promised upgrades. Piss poor customer service makes many of us quite hostile and unwilling to forgive the lies.
I guess I didn't realize that you had to turn your phone in to get the $100. That is pretty worthless then.
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I called Sprint and walked into a store asking if the Motorola credit was offered on top of the $63 they give you. They said they are not aware of any Motorola credit.
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Sprint wouldn't be. It's not a Motorola credit, it's a Verizon credit.
To qualify, you have to trade in your phone, as others have said... and you have to buy a Verizon-exclusive Motorola smartphone. The plan will be fully realized by the end of the month -- it is not currently available in any case. But I imagine it will actually be done through Verizon. That is, you sign up for service, buy the phone, and Verizon gives you the Motorola form, and you mail in your proof of purchase, the barcode from the phone box with ESN/IMEI, and your Photon/Atrix/Electrify, and Motorola mails you $100 (in the form of a Visa/MC gift card with nasty fees of course!). US Cellular does a similar song and dance with its rebates. BTW, US Cellular has a standard rebate of $100 off a new smartphone. This can vary but that's the usual amount. Although their advertised prices are minus this rebate, so you pay the advertised price plus $100 up front and get the $100 in two months. I was lucky and got an instant rebate sale -- Electrify for $150 out the door. At tax time. Yeah, I scored. :victory:
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Sprint wouldn't be. It's not a Motorola credit, it's a Verizon credit.
To qualify, you have to trade in your phone, as others have said... and you have to buy a Verizon-exclusive Motorola smartphone. The plan will be fully realized by the end of the month -- it is not currently available in any case. But I imagine it will actually be done through Verizon. That is, you sign up for service, buy the phone, and Verizon gives you the Motorola form, and you mail in your proof of purchase, the barcode from the phone box with ESN/IMEI, and your Photon/Atrix/Electrify, and Motorola mails you $100 (in the form of a Visa/MC gift card with nasty fees of course!). US Cellular does a similar song and dance with its rebates. BTW, US Cellular has a standard rebate of $100 off a new smartphone. This can vary but that's the usual amount. Although their advertised prices are minus this rebate, so you pay the advertised price plus $100 up front and get the $100 in two months. I was lucky and got an instant rebate sale -- Electrify for $150 out the door. At tax time. Yeah, I scored. :victory:
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I really need verification on this! If anybody has a PDF or screencap PM me. If this is true then we may be able to step things up a bit.
Hello,
I got absurdly lucky and sold my Photon for $250. I included a 32gb SD Card, and Otterbox Defender. I still cannot believe I got that as Sprint offered me $67 for it. I am still so pissed about ICS as I actually was going to hold on to the phone even though I purchased an iPhone 5.
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So I've been thinkign about buying a note 2. Have purchased a razr last year (13 months ago) I'm not elegible for an upgrade; but it has god awful battery life (it predates the maxx; which pissed me off).
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So I wanted to check verzion final price on the phone; went to website; add it to cart month-to-month; then wanted to see if i could actually purchase it. Nope; have to add a plan (as a side note the plans have been raised to $20 so without discountes the $80 plan is now $100). Wiat this is month-to-month - I don't need (or want) a plan so I hit the chat button. Rep comes on and I tell them the problem. You have to add a plan they tell me. We can always remove it later if you want but to purchase you will need (another) plan. But I don't want a freaking plan I just want the phone. I'm sorry we can't sell you a phone without selling you a plan but ....
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So not only do they charge more for the phone than any other brand (at&t, sprint, ...) and then they break features on the phone adding their own local hacks (block call and similar); they won't even sell the bloody thing. Maybe that is a hint !
I ran into that too, but I went to a local vz store and bought mine the day they where released with no problem.
You should also realize you don't need to buy your phone from Verizon, there are many other ventures that are selling the Note 2 both oncontract and off.
There site may just be flawed pick it up in store if you need.
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Well I was thinking amazon; they tend to be good about return/exchanages if there is an issue and as a company I think i prefer them to verizon.
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I did find a use one for $450 that is tempting but I won't be going home for a couple of weeks; maybe I'll wait and see if it is still for sale - but i worry a bit about warranty; while $450 is a good price; at $600 or $650 which is more common I think maybe that warrany is worth the few extra dollars.
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There site may just be flawed pick it up in store if you need.
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Can't you buy them direct from Samsung now?
johnnyvol said:
Can't you buy them direct from Samsung now?
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Sure can if you want to pay $800. Actually they sell it via best buy. There is suppsoe to be a 'developer' version direct from samsung but i couldn't find it on their website; they sure like to hide such things.
You can get the Maxx battery put on your razr. My brother had his done through a company and they even gave him a warranty for it. Just thought I would share. Funny thing is that his phone now says razr maxx under about phone .
Also I noticed a fellow former rezound user, jmorton, nice to still see you around. Remember your name from over there.
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Are all off contract note 2s 669?
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You're wasting your time (and money!) trying to buy from Verizon. It's extremely easy to pick one up BNIB from eBay or Craigslist. Worst case scenario you'll save $50. Best case you'll find somebody trying to offload a gift they don't want and save a lot more. Mine, the guy hadn't even taken out of the box. Found on Craigslist, he wanted $575.
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Also I noticed a fellow former rezound user, jmorton, nice to still see you around. Remember your name from over there.
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Yea, that's me. Good to see you here, I still have two Rezounds.
I really loved that phone but they seem awfully slow and laggy now compared to the N2 when I play with them.
This is kinda funny, I have a 12 year old daughter that plays soccer and I help coach the team. One of the Moms from the team was telling me how much she hated her older android phone and was planning to use an upgrade to buy a new iphone (and lose her unlimited data plan to do it).
I showed her one of the ROMed and highly tweaked/unlocked etc Rezounds and offered to give it to her for free (and she could have kept her unlimited data package). She basically said "no thanks, I never want to see another android phone at this point"
She bought a new iphone the next day and when I asked her a few weeks later how she liked it she responded "I absolutely love it, this is what I should have bought in the first place"
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You're wasting your time (and money!) trying to buy from Verizon. It's extremely easy to pick one up BNIB from eBay or Craigslist. Worst case scenario you'll save $50. Best case you'll find somebody trying to offload a gift they don't want and save a lot more. Mine, the guy hadn't even taken out of the box. Found on Craigslist, he wanted $575.
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For $575 I might take a chance on it, but there is not a chance I would buy one off ebay or craigs list to save $50 over buying straight from Verizon.
Log in to the site, then it will let you buy it without adding a plan.
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You're wasting your time (and money!) trying to buy from Verizon. It's extremely easy to pick one up BNIB from eBay or Craigslist. Worst case scenario you'll save $50. Best case you'll find somebody trying to offload a gift they don't want and save a lot more. Mine, the guy hadn't even taken out of the box. Found on Craigslist, he wanted $575.
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Agreed, same thing here. Except mine was mine was 625. Still, much better than about 800bucks.
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She bought a new iphone the next day and when I asked her a few weeks later how she liked it she responded "I absolutely love it, this is what I should have bought in the first place
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To me Iphone users are weird. IOS 6 feels the the same as android but one has to pay for every useful app. Being locked into Apple's web browser and walled garden is crazy. People are ok with it and it blows my mind.
LBJM said:
To me Iphone users are weird. IOS 6 feels the the same as android but one has to pay for every useful app. Being locked into Apple's web browser and walled garden is crazy. People are ok with it and it blows my mind.
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I completely agree and I have an ipad2 (I'm typing on it rightnow)
I bought the ipad way back when they very first came out and it's the first apple product I have ever owned (except my 12 year old daughter has an ipod touch) It is the 64 gig with both WiFi and 3g. I have done Windows mods/repairs etc for years and home build all my PCs.
I really wanted an android tablet but all the android tablets that I tried back then sucked. They where all laggy/slow etc and the ipad just blew them away with its smooth glitch free operation.
I loved the ipad at first but the more I used it, the more the limitations of it really started to annoy me. Now, I hate the thing and would really like to sell it and buy an android tablet but I have so many apps etc in it (it is jailbroken) that I don't really want to dump it either.
The thing that really annoys the living sh** out of me is, I started posting on an apple message board (very similar to this one but only for iphones/ipads/ipods etc.) EVERY SINGLE TIME I tried to get help for something that irritated me about the ipad, I would get flamed like crazy by 50 a-holes claiming the ipad was absolutely perfect just the way it stood and if I didn't like it I was an idiot and should go buy something else.
I couldn't believe it, I was not trolling AT ALL, just asking legitimate questions and most of the posters (who where technically retarded) could not stand for anybody to post even the tiniest criticism of their Apple products.
I sort of addressed this at the start. First the note 2 is $700 at amazon and verizon; the $800 price is via samsung website which uses bestbuy. For $450 or $500 I would be willing to buy it used in the right situation (there was one 'new in box' for $450 but it sold pretty quickly). However at $625-$650 I tink I would rather have the warranty. Locally I've not seen one below $625 and on ebay folks are trying to sell them with cracked screens for > $600.
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Agreed, same thing here. Except mine was mine was 625. Still, much better than about 800bucks.
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Well I was thinking amazon; they tend to be good about return/exchanages if there is an issue and as a company I think i prefer them to verizon.
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I did find a use one for $450 that is tempting but I won't be going home for a couple of weeks; maybe I'll wait and see if it is still for sale - but i worry a bit about warranty; while $450 is a good price; at $600 or $650 which is more common I think maybe that warrany is worth the few extra dollars.
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If that used one was a legitimate sale and not beat up (not a CL scam), it's already sold. That's dirt cheap for a GN2. Even bad esn GN2's sell on eBay for that much. A reasonable price for a like new GN2 will be between $5-600 on CL. More anywhere else online.
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A less expensive option from Verizon.
If you are already 12 months or so into a contract with shared data, another option is to get it on a new line ($299) then cancel your old line and pay ETF (approx $230 if you're 12 months into your contract), total $529 plus tax from Verizon with full warranty and support. If you want to keep your old number just port it out to Google Voice.
I considered this when it first came out, and confirmed it would work at my Verizon store, but decided to pay full price to avoid entering yet another new 24 month contract.
Yea I thought of something similar; switching to at&t (I have another thread). The more I look at how these companies work the less I like them; Kind of hope google offers a (good) phone service alternative as is currently rumored. Its not just the prices but on top of the prices the crap they stuff/cram/ram/whatever up the users whatever.
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If you are already 12 months or so into a contract with shared data, another option is to get it on a new line ($299) then cancel your old line and pay ETF (approx $230 if you're 12 months into your contract), total $529 plus tax from Verizon with full warranty and support. If you want to keep your old number just port it out to Google Voice.
I considered this when it first came out, and confirmed it would work at my Verizon store, but decided to pay full price to avoid entering yet another new 24 month contract.
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To me Iphone users are weird. IOS 6 feels the the same as android but one has to pay for every useful app. Being locked into Apple's web browser and walled garden is crazy. People are ok with it and it blows my mind.
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I use Dolphin on Android and they have a web app for IOS as well. There are options, but the majority of android users don't even know they can use a different browser, and they don't even care. The majority of android users don't take advantage of any/all of the features android offers over IOS, so it's not hard to see why IOS is perfectly fine for so many people.