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10. You will be flamed if you post a question that could have been solved with a little effort searching.
9.1 Most questions can be answered with a little effort searching
9. Unlocking your phone will void your warranty for software issue claims and maybe hardware issues as well. (Nobody knows for sure--which means anything you do is at your own risk.)
8. It is easy to unlock the bootloader. Go to Htc.dev to do so.
7. There are not too many DEVS right now but those who are here rock it for free and they don't have time to answer stupid posts like, how do you flash a kernal or is this going to void my warranty.
6. DEVS and Moderators are no longer spoonfeeding us answers.
5. Using fastboot is easy. Read. Reread. Then reread again. I was convinced that I was right and spent 18 hours repeating the same stupid mistake. Turns out I can read and write an appellate court brief but I can't read three lines of a post.
4. I am more than double the age of one of the most active developers....and I'm still a young man at 37.
3. Of all the time I spend searching for answers half of it is wasted sifting through duplicate posts from people asking the same question another noob had just finished asking.
2. My wife hates my phone.
1. There is no S-OFF so F-OFF if you post a question about it.
And you also double counted 9
Ha, and I felt old compared to some of the people in these forums(I'm 30)..
Question about number 5 - what makes you say using fastboot is easy? Outside using the flashboot command for a few things, that was one of the things I found the least info about..
And yea, I agree with number 3. The worst part is the answer is usually "use the search button".. if even once in a while they just answered the damn question, me using the search wouldn't take so (#*%ing long! Considering I will find 30 different posts asking the question before I ever find the answer.. sigh.
Oh, and number 2 made me laugh. I have no wife, but pretty sure my roommate is starting to hate it
Post of the day for me!
It's nice to see some other non-nooby noobs around.
Hey dude, nice move, that post of yours!
Really surprised about number 2 tho- thought I'm the only one with a wife that has a problematic attitude towards my addiction...
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And yea, I agree with number 3. The worst part is the answer is usually "use the search button".. if even once in a while they just answered the damn question, me using the search wouldn't take so (#*%ing long! Considering I will find 30 different posts asking the question before I ever find the answer.. sigh.
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If the second person who had the same question as someone else used search instead of just asking it, he would have an answer. And the third, and the fourth, and the 5th, and the 30th, etc.
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And you also double counted 9
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That's why I made it 9.1.
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I LMAO at #4 I'm 65, rooted my Motorola Cliq 2yrs ago, didn't even know these kind of places existed lol. And I agree with read,read,read,reread and read again. Thanks for a nice article
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alrosal said:
10. You will be flamed if you post a question that could have been solved with a little effort searching.
9.1 Most questions can be answered with a little effort searching
9. Unlocking your phone will void your warranty for software issue claims and maybe hardware issues as well. (Nobody knows for sure--which means anything you do is at your own risk.)
8. It is easy to unlock the bootloader. Go to Htc.dev to do so.
7. There are not too many DEVS right now but those who are here rock it for free and they don't have time to answer stupid posts like, how do you flash a kernal or is this going to void my warranty.
6. DEVS and Moderators are no longer spoonfeeding us answers.
5. Using fastboot is easy. Read. Reread. Then reread again. I was convinced that I was right and spent 18 hours repeating the same stupid mistake. Turns out I can read and write an appellate court brief but I can't read three lines of a post.
4. I am more than double the age of one of the most active developers....and I'm still a young man at 37.
3. Of all the time I spend searching for answers half of it is wasted sifting through duplicate posts from people asking the same question another noob had just finished asking.
2. My wife hates my phone.
1. There is no S-OFF so F-OFF if you post a question about it.
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I commend you for being so brave uncovering the 'truth'. However, there are still some more truths hidden beneath the XDA dungeon. What I am about to disclose must be kept here for the obvious safety reasons...
0.0. The 'Search' button is NOT as effective as those so called 'experts' want you to believe. In fact, when they say 'use the search button', they are essentially telling you (i.e. 'noobs') to 'just give up and try something else'.
0.1. The 'Search' button works perfectly if you KNOW what you're looking for. If you have no clue what the answer (for what you're looking for) might be, the search will only give you a list of some random threads which you go through for a while and eventually give up. When an expert says, "Here, I searched for you," he probably already knew the answer and used that 'key word' to get the right post, in order to make you look stupid.
0.2. There is an 'advanced' option in 'Search', which may or may not work well for noobs (hint: a sward with double edge).
0.3. Searching is a form of art. You'll need some intelligence to appreciate its effectiveness, which most noobs have not acquired. If they do have such level of intelligence, then they are no longer called 'noobs' by definition.
0.4. Most experts were noobs once when they started, but they earned the honoray title by not asking the same question that the noob next to him asked 10 minutes ago.
0.5. Noobs asking hundreds of 'stupid questions' are called Senior Members.
0.6. Reading (and reading (and reading (and reading))), after all, is the only effective medicine for noobs.
0.7. Seriously, we should require all OP's to indicate [Solved] in front of thread titles when they got an answer to their question. How often do you re-read old threads when people add a new comment to a 'beaten-up' question? Binary??
0.8. 'Search' functions in forums have not advanced in the last few decades. I'm 51 with 30 years of IT background, and, still, I am finding this subject interesting enough to post my own version. Someone, please stop me before I get banned for uncovering the secrets.
0.9 Maybe it's time to develop a good wiki page for the Amaze... though there's no guaranty that people who need it the most would ever visit such place.
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ringochan said:
I commend you for being so brave uncovering the 'truth'. However, there are still some more truths hidden beneath the XDA dungeon. What I am about to disclose must be kept here for the obvious safety reasons...
0.0. The 'Search' button is NOT as effective as those so called 'experts' want you to believe. In fact, when they say 'use the search button', they are essentially telling you (i.e. 'noobs') to 'just give up and try something else'.
0.1. The 'Search' button works perfectly if you KNOW what you're looking for. If you have no clue what the answer (for what you're looking for) might be, the search will only give you a list of some random threads which you go through for a while and eventually give up. When an expert says, "Here, I searched for you," he probably already knew the answer and used that 'key word' to get the right post, in order to make you look stupid.
0.2. There is an 'advanced' option in 'Search', which may or may not work well for noobs (hint: a sward with double edge).
0.3. Searching is a form of art. You'll need some intelligence to appreciate its effectiveness, which most noobs have not acquired. If they do have such level of intelligence, then they are no longer called 'noobs' by definition.
0.4. Most experts were noobs once when they started, but they earned the honoray title by not asking the same question that the noob next to him asked 10 minutes ago.
0.5. Noobs asking hundreds of 'stupid questions' are called Senior Members.
0.6. Reading (and reading (and reading (and reading))), after all, is the only effective medicine for noobs.
0.7. Seriously, we should require all OP's to indicate [Solved] in front of thread titles when they got an answer to their question. How often do you re-read old threads when people add a new comment to a 'beaten-up' question? Binary??
0.8. 'Search' functions in forums have not advanced in the last few decades. I'm 51 with 30 years of IT background, and, still, I am finding this subject interesting enough to post my own version. Someone, please stop me before I get banned for uncovering the secrets.
0.9 Maybe it's time to develop a good wiki page for the Amaze... though there's no guaranty that people who need it the most would ever visit such place.
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I almost laughed myself out of my chair with 0.5
I know a lot of "senior members" that give out bad information and it only makes things worse. But don't think they get away with it for long! As a "senior member" I hold them to a much higher standard. Many members are post addicts just for that title though. We moderators call them "post pumpers." They tend to post a lot of off-topic stuff and ask really stupid questions. Then they give inaccurate information and I have to come in and save the day. Then of course when I see this type of activity I will demote the senior member down to junior member by removing all irrelevant and inaccurate posts. This is a quick way to piss off a post pumper.
In regards to the search feature. The feature is really active if the developers and OP's tag their posts with keywords. Example. Some good keywords for this thread would be 'NOOB' 'GUIDE' 'HELP ME' etc. There are a lot of theads without tags.
ringochan said:
I commend you for being so brave uncovering the 'truth'. However, there are still some more truths hidden beneath the XDA dungeon. What I am about to disclose must be kept here for the obvious safety reasons...
0.0. The 'Search' button is NOT as effective as those so called 'experts' want you to believe. In fact, when they say 'use the search button', they are essentially telling you (i.e. 'noobs') to 'just give up and try something else'.
0.1. The 'Search' button works perfectly if you KNOW what you're looking for. If you have no clue what the answer (for what you're looking for) might be, the search will only give you a list of some random threads which you go through for a while and eventually give up. When an expert says, "Here, I searched for you," he probably already knew the answer and used that 'key word' to get the right post, in order to make you look stupid.
0.2. There is an 'advanced' option in 'Search', which may or may not work well for noobs (hint: a sward with double edge).
0.3. Searching is a form of art. You'll need some intelligence to appreciate its effectiveness, which most noobs have not acquired. If they do have such level of intelligence, then they are no longer called 'noobs' by definition.
0.4. Most experts were noobs once when they started, but they earned the honoray title by not asking the same question that the noob next to him asked 10 minutes ago.
0.5. Noobs asking hundreds of 'stupid questions' are called Senior Members.
0.6. Reading (and reading (and reading (and reading))), after all, is the only effective medicine for noobs.
0.7. Seriously, we should require all OP's to indicate [Solved] in front of thread titles when they got an answer to their question. How often do you re-read old threads when people add a new comment to a 'beaten-up' question? Binary??
0.8. 'Search' functions in forums have not advanced in the last few decades. I'm 51 with 30 years of IT background, and, still, I am finding this subject interesting enough to post my own version. Someone, please stop me before I get banned for uncovering the secrets.
0.9 Maybe it's time to develop a good wiki page for the Amaze... though there's no guaranty that people who need it the most would ever visit such place.
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You do not earn not to be a noob by asking 100's of questions, in fact, if you look at my posts before I started helping out this forum I pretty much had everything down, by reading, I was using my N1 for 2 years and I had to read read read read and read more everywhere not just xda to learn what everything was and how to do things.
With S-On things are a little different but, if you start reading and researching on your own, you'll learn a lot...see how many posts I have in october and november of 2010 when I rooted my Nexus one!! First time I ever rooted an android. all my posts just say thanks and I really don't ask questions; I had approximately 10 posts. In july I had some hardware questions and obscure questions regarding galaxy tab 10.1 since it was so new and could not find info online. !! by then I was familiar enough to root my galaxy tab 10.1 and very familiar with almost everything...still learning today!!! If you look at before november when I got my phone and started helping out the forum, I barely have any questions. sure, I might have had a stupid one here or there, but I did not ask 1000's of questions to not become a noob. I still don't consider myself to be a pro like binary and some others here!!!
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You do not earn not to be a noob by asking 100's of questions, in fact, if you look at my posts before I started helping out this forum I pretty much had everything down, by reading, I was using my N1 for 2 years and I had to read read read read and read more everywhere not just xda to learn what everything was and how to do things.
With S-On things are a little different but, if you start reading and researching on your own, you'll learn a lot...see how many posts I have in october and november of 2010 when I rooted my Nexus one!! First time I ever rooted an android. all my posts just say thanks and I really don't ask questions; I had approximately 10 posts. In july I had some hardware questions and obscure questions regarding galaxy tab 10.1 since it was so new and could not find info online. !! by then I was familiar enough to root my galaxy tab 10.1 and very familiar with almost everything...still learning today!!! If you look at before november when I got my phone and started helping out the forum, I barely have any questions. sure, I might have had a stupid one here or there, but I did not ask 1000's of questions to not become a noob. I still don't consider myself to be a pro like binary and some others here!!!
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I don't call myself a pro by any means. However I take time to read something that I don't understand. That taught me that in grade school. But lemme ask you this. How would I look if I was to wander into another forum with my several thousand posts and 500+ "thanks" and ask what they would consider a stupid noob question? Instant bad reputation!
I wonder if I can get admin privledges to rename some titles from Senior Member to Senior Noob. In fact it should go like this. Junior Noob (10-25 stupid questions), Noob (25-50 stupid questions), Senior Noob (50-100 stupid questions), Noob Forever (100+) and the questions being asked can be voted on by other members. That way even a Senior Member (like myself) can still be elected as a noob if I was to ask at least 10 stupid questions. So if you see someone with 5,000+ posts and is rated as a Senior Noob... maybe keep looking.
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I don't call myself a pro by any means. However I take time to read something that I don't understand. That taught me that in grade school. But lemme ask you this. How would I look if I was to wander into another forum with my several thousand posts and 500+ "thanks" and ask what they would consider a stupid noob question? Instant bad reputation!
I wonder if I can get admin privledges to rename some titles from Senior Member to Senior Noob. In fact it should go like this. Junior Noob (10-25 stupid questions), Noob (25-50 stupid questions), Senior Noob (50-100 stupid questions), Noob Forever (100+) and the questions being asked can be voted on by other members. That way even a Senior Member (like myself) can still be elected as a noob if I was to ask at least 10 stupid questions. So if you see someone with 5,000+ posts and is rated as a Senior Noob... maybe keep looking.
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This thread is funny, entertaining, true and slightly wonderful. I don't want noob forever!
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jjlean said:
This thread is funny, entertaining, true and slightly wonderful. I don't want noob forever!
I'm just happy that we are all having a good conversation. A lot of bad attitudes in some of the other threads.
I agree that the search feature is not great but it did force me to learn. Perhaps we should have a thread where noobs can post questions and feel safe. Hell, I'll start it. Nothing too technical but if only noobs read it we can help each other. Might give mods a break. Call it "Yo fellow noob- ask your stupid question here first before you post in another thread. It will become a filter of sorts."
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Okay so I proved that I'm a noob forever by somehow quoting my own post.
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I could call the thread "hey! Are you looking at my noobs."
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Improving XDA's Search function
Binary100100 said:
I almost laughed myself out of my chair with 0.5
I know a lot of "senior members" that give out bad information and it only makes things worse. But don't think they get away with it for long! As a "senior member" I hold them to a much higher standard. Many members are post addicts just for that title though. We moderators call them "post pumpers." They tend to post a lot of off-topic stuff and ask really stupid questions. Then they give inaccurate information and I have to come in and save the day. Then of course when I see this type of activity I will demote the senior member down to junior member by removing all irrelevant and inaccurate posts. This is a quick way to piss off a post pumper.
In regards to the search feature. The feature is really active if the developers and OP's tag their posts with keywords. Example. Some good keywords for this thread would be 'NOOB' 'GUIDE' 'HELP ME' etc. There are a lot of theads without tags.
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Hey, I'm glad you had a good laugh with my post. I read somewhere else that you had a bad day, so it's a good sign you still hadn't lost the sense of humor.
Actually, though, my intention for posting was more serious than to make people laugh. As you mentioned, for the search feature to work well, we need discipline. The system is just not smart enough yet to become noob-proof. You need to add tags, name thread title properly, consolidate and delete duplicates and inaccuracies (by mods like you), etc.etc.
BTW, I just found out that any one CAN add tags to threads opened by someone else. I just added 'noob' and 'guide' to this thread. 'help me' was rejected because the word 'help' was too common, it said.
Now, if we can request some new features to the XDA management, here's my take...
Question Thread Status: 'Actively Waiting for Answer', 'Answered but Needs More Info', 'Solved', 'Abandoned', etc.
Answer Post Rating: 'Best Answer', 'Additional Question', 'Additional info', etc.
Smart Post Tracking: 'Info in this post is Current/Obsolete', 'Supersedes/Superseded-by Post #999', etc.
Sub-Threads: Questions related or refers to certain threads can be nested so that they appear grouped together. It's similar to the 'Threaded Mode' but at the thread level.
Enhanced 'Threaded (Display) Mode': The current implementation of the 'Threaded Mode' is not useful, IMO. I want to see the entire page nested instead of just the post titles in a small window.
I don't think I need to explain but if someone up there is interested, I will for sure.
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I don't call myself a pro by any means. However I take time to read something that I don't understand. That taught me that in grade school. But lemme ask you this. How would I look if I was to wander into another forum with my several thousand posts and 500+ "thanks" and ask what they would consider a stupid noob question? Instant bad reputation!
I wonder if I can get admin privledges to rename some titles from Senior Member to Senior Noob. In fact it should go like this. Junior Noob (10-25 stupid questions), Noob (25-50 stupid questions), Senior Noob (50-100 stupid questions), Noob Forever (100+) and the questions being asked can be voted on by other members. That way even a Senior Member (like myself) can still be elected as a noob if I was to ask at least 10 stupid questions. So if you see someone with 5,000+ posts and is rated as a Senior Noob... maybe keep looking.
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Reputation certainly is a motivation for SOME people, not for EVERYONE (sigh...). The 'Noob meter/status' is a good one. But how we (the commoners) can vote/rate someone else's questions without causing confrontations?
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Okay so I proved that I'm a noob forever by somehow quoting my own post.
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Fortunately, you didn't ask a stupid question to qualify for the noob status. Make all your mistakes before they actually implement the 'Noob Meter'!!!
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You do not earn not to be a noob by asking 100's of questions, in fact, if you look at my posts before I started helping out this forum I pretty much had everything down, by reading,
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...still learning today!!! If you look at before november when I got my phone and started helping out the forum, I barely have any questions. sure, I might have had a stupid one here or there, but I did not ask 1000's of questions to not become a noob. I still don't consider myself to be a pro like binary and some others here!!!
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My point exactly. I want the forum search function to be better so that people like you can learn and help others much more easily than it is now. History has proved many times that 'noobs who don't read' will stay 'noobs forever' even if you give them the best tool available on the planet.
jjlean said:
This thread is funny, entertaining, true and slightly wonderful. I don't want noob forever!
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As I said above, you can only be 'noob forever' by not reading. As soon as you read through the thread and felt 'funny', you proved yourself to be a non-noob. And when you thought it to be true, you proved yourself to be a pro!! Hehe.
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I could call the thread "hey! Are you looking at my noobs."
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If I were you, I would change the OP title to 'Unveiling the Secrets of Searching' because that's exactly what you started with this thread (at least with some bullet points).
I'm glad that Binary is with us on these discussions. Some mods would object to these, I know. At least, we are being heard by a non-noob!
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...I'm glad that Binary is with us on these discussions. Some mods would object to these, I know. At least, we are being heard by a non-noob!
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Of course! I'm a member too you know! It's not like I'm an XDA Automated Bot or anything.
I put my pants on like everyone else (not that I've been paying any attention to anyone dressing or anything.)
Yes I was having a bad day... couple of them actually. But I got (what I call) justice and closure. I'm satisfied with the result of the conflict and I'm moving on. Not everyone will be (or is) satisfied with the result but whatever. They can give over it.
0.5. Noobs asking hundreds of 'stupid questions' are called Senior Members.
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Hey,I resemble that remark!
I like small noobs with hard bipples, (sorry couldn't stop myself)
Amazingly awesome post!
I come to xda for informed discussion about a device and for device development. I don't know what has happened to these forums, but I do have a few humble suggestions:
1. If you don't have a prime / aren't expecting one / looking to get one / involved in development LEAVE. Go troll elsewhere. It has become too difficult to find useful posts because of all of the BS in this forum. The sheer volume of it is frankly shocking. I don't blame the mod because I know he mods several forums (including my old haunt the mesmerize forum) and you know probably has like a job and ****. Cleaning the amount of crap going on right now is enough to two full time jobs.
2. No offense-actually **** that- every offense intended- if you are debating between this and an iOS device, this is not the forum for you. I'm not saying don't get the prime. I'm sure its just as good for newbies as it is for others, but the very fact that you are considering an iOS device as a prime alternative proves to me that you are in the wrong place. I'm not saying the prime is free of defects or anything-it certainly has its quirks. But half the fun of Linux and open source is the quirks and that you can change anything about your device. Customization and quirks are at the core of Linux.
3. Notice the word developers in the URL of this site. I'm not a Dev, but I am an IT admin and do at least have a clue of what the **** is going on. Unless things have changed, this forum is for people who have a clue. If "#cat brain | grep -i clue" doesn't at least ring a bell than I might suggest finding a different forum to go newb around in. And its okay to be a newbie, just be a good newbie and read a fukton before you come on this site and start cluttering it up with BS.
4. For the love of all that is holy and good in this world, if you are posting about a topic, use the thread that already ****ing exists. Why are there 13,457,598,568 GPS threads. We get it already. It doesn't ****ing work very well. I am not interested in yet another screenshot of you GPS working or not working. Keep that **** in a single thread for those of you all that like that **** for whatever reason and let the rest of us who don't enjoy the GPS screenshot porn go about the rest of our reading. Are you all aware that there is a feature of this website where you can search and find similar topics? Do you not see the little suggestions when you start a new thread that are put there to avoid redundancy in threads? This goes as well for you tf-70005534 next model people and you wifi ppl whatever.
5. Lastly, I have a humble suggestion: the purpose of this lovely forum as I understand it is much like the forum in ancient Greece: for the free flow of useful information and to offer help and support to our fellow citizens prime. SO IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING INFORMATIVE OR HELPFUL GTFO.
/ rant off
I just couldn't stand it anymore. I can hardly stand to enter the general discussion forum anymore.
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Really, this thread needs to closed for all the foul language.
Wow - I sure am glad you are here to make sure all us idiots behave.
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Right there in your first line you tell them to go away because this forum is for development. No, this is General. There is a separate forum for dev chat, you should go there if you are wanting dev only.
I get more irritated with these types of threads then the fanatics arguing for and against the prime. Lol
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Really, this thread needs to closed for all the foul language.
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It is only about 1% real profanity by word count. I'm sorry to have scarred your virgin eyes.
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Right there in your first line you tell them to go away because this forum is for development. No, this is General. There is a separate forum for dev chat, you should go there if you are wanting dev only.
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Actually, this whole website is for development-minded people. hence the name of the website: xda-DEVELOPERS. not xda-whiners or xda-trollers.
It would be nice to have a helpful civil community with helpful post. Its getting hard to use this forum I feel the OPs pain
Theres better way to express things but it won't be possible until the trolls and newbs clear out
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It is only about 1% real profanity by word count. I'm sorry to have scarred your virgin eyes.
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"#cat brain | grep -i clue"
Is this geekspeak for"I need a life so I can stop nerd raging to people Ill never meet in forums"?
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Actually, this whole website is for development-minded people. hence the name of the website: xda-DEVELOPERS. not xda-whiners or xda-trollers.
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Actually the forum owners realize that the forum itself has branched out far beyond simple development talk. There are reasons that there is a General, Q&A, Dev, and more for each device. People have questions, concerns, interest in accessories, things that are not appropriate for a strictly development forum. Thus the other subforums.
I you want enforced dev talk only, go to the dev forum. It's policed and threads are killed off that are not on topic.
On the flip side, there are a ton of whiners and complainers and those who complain about them.
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"#cat brain | grep -i clue"
Is this geekspeak for"I need a life so I can stop nerd raging to people Ill never meet in forums"?
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No those are basic linux commands, you know linux, the os you use. You have heard of it right?
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No those are basic linux commands, you know linux, the os you use. You have heard of it right?
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Not everyone knows Linux like some guy like you.
I'm sure a lot of people understand their Prime, but aren't worried about the inner workings of the OS that this OS was based on.
How you doin'? Greetings from my GT-I9000!
I agree with pistons, but I think we will have to wait for roms to start. That will weed many out.
Rich, just too heavy handed. I sort of agree with you, I am contemplating returning my prime for some of the valid points but also some of the negativity.
I almost think jerdog would be better wiping out this entire forum and not opening it up for like 72 hours for a cooling down period. Problem is, as much as some want to sweep this stuff under the rug, there are legitimate problems, admitted to by Asus. How crazy it has gotten, wow? It's gotten personal and when things get personal, nobody wants to be the one that listens
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No those are basic linux commands, you know linux, the os you use. You have heard of it right?
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I drive a car but have no idea how to build a transmission..Whats your point?
In general I agree with the op. Could he have used a little less profanity? Of course, but that really isn't the point. The fact that a thread like this even has to exist says that something is hugely wrong with this section. And all you guys wonder why users and devs alike leave this site for less hostile forums. The same thing happened in the thunderbolt forum. The device was hyped beyond belief prior to launch, and when it was finally released it was plagued with problems, the abysmal battery life being the most *****ed about. The entire section filled up with battery threads and things got out of control. People got hostile and overly defensive and the trolls came out of the woodwork. The result was several of the main devs leaving for another site. Things have settled down in the tbolt section since and some of those devs have returned, but none of his happened until the trolls got bored and moved on to another device to ***** about. The same thing will happen with the prime. Eventually there will be new tablets to complain about and this section will be left to those who actually own a prime. Eventually we will be able to use this section as a hotbed of information on how to improve our devices, but until then this section seems to have turned into a dumping zone for GPS threads and people complaining and demanding things. It's quite sad really. I sure how we can come out of this ahead because the way things are going now isn't helping anyone.
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You all realize this is a commerce site, right? It's not a public service. The owner has a ton of costs in keeping the site up and offsets those costs (and hopefully makes a profit) through advertising. Therefore, the more users the better. Anyone's welcome to create a new site with different ToU if XDA's no longer meeting their needs. Good luck trying to pay for it and attracting the volume of devs and smart people that contribute to XDA.
XDA has grown over the years and is now the largest and most visited site for mobile technology discussion. It's quoted frequently in the press and, as proven by this very forum, helps hold manufacturers accountable (GPS expose, bootloader unlock). The general section is just that and with XDA coming up at the top of a Google search for newbies looking for answers it's going to become more and more mainstream. And as nice as it would be to discuss an issue once and bury it, each day that new people buy a device they are going to keep resurrecting the issue until it's resolved. Hopefully they'll do a search first.
There's a simple way to have a clean and happy front page. Manufacturers should release products that are finished when they're launched and work the way they're supposed to. That applies to everyone, not just Asus.
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I drive a car but have no idea how to build a transmission..Whats your point?
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I bet you know how to turn on the headlights though (a closer analogy). =)
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+1 for OP message, I agree.
-1 for delivery.
I have to chuckle a little bit. The OP has, what, 78 posts? Kind of a newb himself... This is the place where people come to learn, you are not expected to know everything, hence the questions. Some are lame but they are always answered one way or the other. I love this site, I learn everyday.
A friend was telling me that a custom kernel on his phone had a feature called deep idle where if your not using your phone it would idle lower than 100 mhz is their a sgh i777 kernel that supports this? If not we someone should totally make it.
It musta never occurred to you to look for over even one minute in the two (I repeat, that's two) kernel threads we have for our phone to gather some semblance of understanding of what you're talking about.
But here, lemme go ahead and answer this one for you. It's called deep sleep and yes, both Entropy and Gokhanmoral have it enabled in their kernels. Use CPUSpy to have a look for yourself.
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It musta never occurred to you to look for over even one minute in the two (I repeat, that's two) kernel threads we have for our phone to gather some semblance of understanding of what you're talking about.
But here, lemme go ahead and answer this one for you. It's called deep sleep and yes, both Entropy and Gokhanmoral have it enabled in their kernels. Use CPUSpy to have a look for yourself.
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No need to be a **** about it. I have read through features on entropy I must not have recalled it tho. My bad. I was just conversing with a friend about it and figured I would ask because I thought I hadn't seen anything like that. Anyways thanks, ****.
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Its hard not to be a **** when these sort of questions are asked. im not a developer, but since this is a development forum people don't take laziness lightly.
I might be opening a "can or worms" here but at some point, people need to stop flaming OP's for asking questions. This is just my opinion but the people that immediately flame someone for asking a question (whether its stupid or not) is just cluttering this forum more than the OP asking the question. Just answer it and move on.
I dont know ... maybe I'm wrong.
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No need to be a **** about it. I have read through features on entropy I must not have recalled it tho. My bad. I was just conversing with a friend about it and figured I would ask because I thought I hadn't seen anything like that. Anyways thanks, ****.
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You obviously didn't read through the changelog for the past three releases at all.
Obviously nobody searched for DEEP IDLE! HERE YOU GO.
Not deep sleep. Deep idle.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1297535
nyydynasty said:
I might be opening a "can or worms" here but at some point, people need to stop flaming OP's for asking questions. This is just my opinion but the people that immediately flame someone for asking a question (whether its stupid or not) is just cluttering this forum more than the OP asking the question. Just answer it and move on.
I dont know ... maybe I'm wrong.
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No maybe about it, you're wrong. The thread is already here. The flaming reply is to prevent another redundant or unnecessary thread from occuring. If people are afraid of getting flamed they might just put some thought into it before hitting the Submit button next time. Or put some more effort into finding info before even starting a new thread. The flaming serves a purpose.
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No maybe about it, you're wrong. The thread is already here. The flaming reply is to prevent another redundant or unnecessary thread from occuring. If people are afraid of getting flamed they might just put some thought into it before hitting the Submit button next time. Or put some more effort into finding info before even starting a new thread. The flaming serves a purpose.
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But while everyone is jumping the OPs ass he has a valid point he just didn't provide a link for it to be confirmed as a real thing. Anyway just as everyone says he didn't search still no one searched for deep idle confirming it a real working mod for kernels. So nobody searched. Just sayin.
Most times I would agree to "flaming" but in this case no one did what we are all told to do. Sometimes the op can be right however I can see how this got confused for deep sleep. It always did in the deep idle thread anyway.
And, as I already stated - if you read my kernel changelog for the last three releases you will see that I have primarily been working on cpuidle changes and the changelog is full of cpuidle-related changes!
Your link to a Hummingbird processor feature is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to Exynos, which has a completely different set of idle states.
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And, as I already stated - if you read my kernel changelog for the last three releases you will see that I have primarily been working on cpuidle changes and the changelog is full of cpuidle-related changes!
Your link to a Hummingbird processor feature is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to Exynos, which has a completely different set of idle states.
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definitely not disagreeing with you because you are completely right but I think the problem, here, is that some people dont know the terminology. Even if he searched for 'deep idle' as he worded it in this thread title, it wouldn't return 'cpuidle' as you have it in your thread. But then, that raises a completely different issue altogether - which is that people need to learn the terms before posting threads.
just an observation and nothing more than that
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And, as I already stated - if you read my kernel changelog for the last three releases you will see that I have primarily been working on cpuidle changes and the changelog is full of cpuidle-related changes!
Your link to a Hummingbird processor feature is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT to Exynos, which has a completely different set of idle states.
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Maybe irrelevant but I wouldn't know the difference. I'm just a noob here. True things are very much different and yes I read the changelogs which I'm grateful to have. I was just saying it's a real thing. It seemed like it was getting confused with deep sleep. I meant no harm. My bad.
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No maybe about it, you're wrong. The thread is already here. The flaming reply is to prevent another redundant or unnecessary thread from occuring. If people are afraid of getting flamed they might just put some thought into it before hitting the Submit button next time. Or put some more effort into finding info before even starting a new thread. The flaming serves a purpose.
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Actually, no. Im not about to let this place be a flamefest. I dont want people to be afraid of getting flamed so they dont post. If they do post and its against the rules or warnings, they will be delt with... thats what D_M and I are for. In fact, D_M put up this post and the last paragraph says that Users who flame will get infracted too. Flaming is against the rules, period. In times where we get several new threads started and everyone gets irritated by it, a snide comment or two may be made and in the past we have let that slide, but its starting to get out of hand now. I can open up the most recent 20 threads and 90% of them will have some sort of flaming in them.
The flaming may serve as a "purpose" but that dosent automatically mean that its right or warranted and D_M and I are going to start cracking down on this as it seems to have really blown up lately and seems to be "the cool thing" to do. This site is about Developing for phones first, then helping out the community second. Flaming, where as I said sometimes may be slipped in, should not be the automatic response.
Maybe calling them flames is wrong, they are gentle persuaders.
I don't respond to every lame post, mostly just the ones that I know could be answered by doing a search or that refer to something already in a Sticky or a thread on the first page that could have easily been found by simply reading the titles.
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Actually, no. Im not about to let this place be a flamefest. I dont want people to be afraid of getting flamed so they dont post. If they do post and its against the rules or warnings, they will be delt with... thats what D_M and I are for. In fact, D_M put up this post and the last paragraph says that Users who flame will get infracted too. Flaming is against the rules, period. In times where we get several new threads started and everyone gets irritated by it, a snide comment or two may be made and in the past we have let that slide, but its starting to get out of hand now. I can open up the most recent 20 threads and 90% of them will have some sort of flaming in them.
The flaming may serve as a "purpose" but that dosent automatically mean that its right or warranted and D_M and I are going to start cracking down on this as it seems to have really blown up lately and seems to be "the cool thing" to do. This site is about Developing for phones first, then helping out the community second. Flaming, where as I said sometimes may be slipped in, should not be the automatic response.
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This is exactly how I felt when I read the first reply. Its rediculous, every other thread you see someone is getting flamed. If one of you can name one person who gained knowledge about something they were interested in without asking at least 1 stupid question I will banish myself from the internets.
As for terminology I didn't know what to call it this term "deep idle" was how it was described to me I didn't think to look for deep sleep or anything else because I THOUGHT that was the proper term for it.
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Its hard not to be a **** when these sort of questions are asked. im not a developer, but since this is a development forum people don't take laziness lightly.
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Yes, but I was posting in the general forum part of this development website.
For the record, I am more confused than ever on this subject. Is it deep idle or is it deep sleep?
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iiApotheosis said:
This is exactly how I felt when I read the first reply. Its rediculous, every other thread you see someone is getting flamed. If one of you can name one person who gained knowledge about something they were interested in without asking at least 1 stupid question I will banish myself from the internets.
As for terminology I didn't know what to call it this term "deep idle" was how it was described to me I didn't think to look for deep sleep or anything else because I THOUGHT that was the proper term for it.
Yes, but I was posting in the general forum part of this development website.
For the record, I am more confused than ever on this subject. Is it deep idle or is it deep sleep?
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CPU idle
Everyone forgets the report button. You don't like the thread, ignore it or report it and let the mod decide.
Flaming is definitely getting out of hand.
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Everyone forgets the report button.
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I don't. The problem is there are too many posts like this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22534430#post22534430
The guy posted a week ago looking for help on rooting and unlocking his phone, two things easily covered in the stickys and by reading the FAQ. He's back today with a new thread wanting help to install a ROM, also something he could find out about by just reading and searching. I say this all the time, this is NOT the help desk. No one is paid to be here and coming in with an entitlement attitude is offensive. Sure, there are some helpful people willing to put up with the BS, but that should not excuse anyone from recognizing that this is a developer's forum and that help is primarily on a self-serve basis.
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Flaming is definitely getting out of hand.
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agreed. I dont necessarily disagree with the flames but when you notice a daily trend, then its obviously not working and the mods need to take care of it. I end up getting more annoyed by reading all the flames, than reading the OP's questions.
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Sure, there are some helpful people willing to put up with the BS, but that should not excuse anyone from recognizing that this is a developer's forum and that help is primarily on a self-serve basis.
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just ignore the thread. Reporting and not replying to a useless thread will get further than flaming the OP.
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I don't. The problem is there are too many posts like this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22534430#post22534430
The guy posted a week ago looking for help on rooting and unlocking his phone, two things easily covered in the stickys and by reading the FAQ. He's back today with a new thread wanting help to install a ROM, also something he could find out about by just reading and searching. I say this all the time, this is NOT the help desk. No one is paid to be here and coming in with an entitlement attitude is offensive. Sure, there are some helpful people willing to put up with the BS, but that should not excuse anyone from recognizing that this is a developer's forum and that help is primarily on a self-serve basis.
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I'm not disagreeing with you at all. we just need to let the mods do their job. Ignore or report.
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I don't. The problem is there are too many posts like this one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22534430#post22534430
The guy posted a week ago looking for help on rooting and unlocking his phone, two things easily covered in the stickys and by reading the FAQ. He's back today with a new thread wanting help to install a ROM, also something he could find out about by just reading and searching. I say this all the time, this is NOT the help desk. No one is paid to be here and coming in with an entitlement attitude is offensive. Sure, there are some helpful people willing to put up with the BS, but that should not excuse anyone from recognizing that this is a developer's forum and that help is primarily on a self-serve basis.
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Well that guy is not me and I don't see how his posts are relevant to mine. No one HAS to help, I was asking a simple question for anyone who feels like answering. If the forum isn't for us common folk why isn't it invite only? Jesus Christ why is it so hard to ask one question here?
I don't understand how this is a job for the mods either, its just a question; a question that I finally got some sort of answer to after 15 posts of debate on wether or not it was okay to complain that I desicrated your forum with my questions. You people take yourselves way too seriously.
Hey all, new to the forums. I was glancing around the general/Faq sub forums for info about what/where different releases are posted (whether in the "Original Android Dev" sub forum or just the "Android Dev" sub forum).
What is the difference? I see ROM's/Recoveries/Kernels posted in each and they all appear to be similar in design.
Could someone tell me how retarded I am for not knowing this and then kindly tell me? Lol, appreciate the help. Just trying to make sense of the two sections differences.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/introducing-original-development-forums-for-more-devices/
Since I am below the required post count to "thank you", doing it with this post. Sorry to be misinformed about the forum features. The article made it very clear. Thank you!
icebox4u said:
Since I am below the required post count to "thank you", doing it with this post. Sorry to be misinformed about the forum features. The article made it very clear. Thank you!
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If you find them too "similar" sell your s3 and move on to a different device otherwise quit your whining....
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speedyjay said:
If you find them too "similar" sell your s3 and move on to a different device otherwise quit your whining....
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Sorry to miss anywhere I'm "whining". You must have me confused with your girlfriend. Get some counseling or move on brother.
icebox4u said:
Sorry to miss anywhere I'm "whining". You must have me confused with your girlfriend. Get some counseling or move on brother.
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I'm sorry, I'm not the one *****ing about roms and kernels being too similar....be grateful for what you've got
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Dude seriously? That was conceived as *****ing? You need some help man. That was a request for clarification. I wasn't complaining or *****ing.
Go take some PMS pills. It'll help you from making rage comments that make no sense.
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I'm sorry, I'm not the one *****ing about roms and kernels being too similar....be grateful for what you've got, and I'm not your brother!
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Why are you whining he asked a simple question help or do not say anything, You are wasting your time and the person who asked. Why bother just because you have a higher post count doesn't mean you should bully people. This question has not been asked before not in the S3 Threads anyway. Just answer the question and move on and stop acting like a 10 year old.
Anyway back to the topic in hand. Original is what it says in the box it is an original not a copy. So if you were to build your own rom for example from the android source and compile it and add your own made mods like Cyanogen mod do then that is regarded as an original ROM and Development. Or like chainfire he makes apps and recoveries that he made and no one else, like for example Tringle Away or CF root. These are his original mods and recoveries they are original and his own creation. Those are ''ORIGINAL DEVELOPMENT''..
Android Development is taking an already made Rom that Samsung has already made like XXDLJ4 it is already made by the company. Developers from the XDA community then take this rom and tare it apart and make it smaller or add their own mods to an already built rom. This is regarded as android development.
I might be wrong but at least that is what i believe what it is. If someone else can explain it better please do.
Thanks Meemo, that's kind of the jest I got from the link above as well. I appreciate the clarification. Sorry a request for clarification and even being humble about it is considered "*****ing" by some people.
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Thanks Meemo, that's kind of the jest I got from the link above as well. I appreciate the clarification. Sorry a request for clarification and even being humble about it is considered "*****ing" by some people.
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Not a problem my friend just be warned that this forum used to be friendly before but now all people do whine about everything. I mean i can understand that people constantly ask the same question and what not. But it doesn't mean you should whine and raise your post count. If it is getting to you just ignore it.
Anyway i found this in the link he provided,
The following are most likely “Original Development”:
Official releases of highly original and upstream custom ROMs (built from the ground up with significant original development within them
Official releases/development of such original ROMs, perhaps posted by the maintainer or their nominated person.
A significant “first” in development for a device. Significant is subjective, but it is likely something which took considerable time/effort, and is generally accepted by developers to be significant and non-trivial.
Kernels which are built with beneficial changes that are not simply pulled from other kernels already available. Some element of original work is expected.
Tools and utilities with a clear purpose, and which are well-made, and useful to users. They should have an element of originality, either in purpose or through significant improvement in the means of operation.
Significant port of a ROM from one device to another, giving enhanced features or functionality to users of the target device. The port should be beneficial (a port from two virtually identical devices isn’t original development, it’s winzipping, and nobody really benefits from this, as it’s not development)
The following are most likely not “Original Development”, and should be posted in the “Android Development” subforum:
Your own “unofficial” stock build of your favourite original, source-built (or otherwise) ROM, particularly where an official or maintainer-endorsed thread exists already.
Minor derivatives of other ROMs with little or no changes, or ROMs consisting of “placebo” features as a main constituent or claim.
Renames or rebadges of others’ work – these don’t belong on XDA at all! Refer to rule 12 for more information.
Reposts of existing ROMs with small changes (i.e. kitchen work, such as adding a couple of apps). If you could realistically distribute your changes as an “addon pack” above and beyond a ROM, you should do so. In addition, your “ROM” would not be original development as it would be substantially identical to the original ROM.
A thread created with unrealistic goals that are clearly unachievable by those starting the thread. This is not intended to discourage high aspirations, rather to prevent threads porting Windows Phone 8 to the HTC Wallaby. This is pretty much common sense.
A ROM where a main or significant claim/feature is graphical changes to the user interface (ie. Themed ROM)
No, I understand. That's still no reason for a member who's been here for a year+ to call someone looking for information in an honest way *****ing.
(I welcome any mod to reset my post count to 0, as I am not here to raise that, it is simply one of the two forums I'm permitted to post in). I'm not *****ing. I'm also not whining.
I also didn't start (edited: crap) with anyone here and don't plan too, but I would also appreciate those attacking me to at least make sense.
Thanks again for the info. Duly noted, and in the future I will make greater efforts to discover information on my own instead of putting myself in a position that could be labeled as *****ing, although I'm clearly not.
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I'm sorry, I'm not the one *****ing about roms and kernels being too similar....be grateful for what you've got, and I'm not your brother!
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Take your chill pill seriously, read the topic again and understand it then go insult somebody else not in this forum.
Being aggressive to 'noobs' is against the rules.. you know that right?
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No, I understand. That's still no reason for a member who's been here for a year+ to call someone looking for information in an honest way *****ing.
(I welcome any mod to reset my post count to 0, as I am not here to raise that, it is simply one of the two forums I'm permitted to post in). I'm not *****ing. I'm also not whining.
I also didn't start sh*t with anyone here and don't plan too, but I would also appreciate those attacking me to at least make sense.
Thanks again for the info. Duly noted, and in the future I will make greater efforts to discover information on my own instead of putting myself in a position that could be labeled as *****ing, although I'm clearly not.
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Don't worry lol i wasn't directing that one on you mate was for the other guy you're good..
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Take your chill pill seriously, read the topic again and understand it then go insult somebody else not in this forum.
Being aggressive to 'noobs' is against the rules.. you know that right?
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Failing to bother to read the rules is against the rules .
Right at the beginning of the first post the rules .
For more information on the Original Android Development section check out this portal post
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1. Search before posting.
Use one of our search functions before posting, whether you have a question or something new to share, it's very likely someone already asked that question or shared that news.
So absolutely no excuse for someone noob or not to navigate past the rules past the stickied FAQS and GUIDES and past the search button to post a repetitive question .
jje
Sigh. Thinking this forum isn't for me. Lot of ppl too butthurt over those asking questions THAT FORUMS LIKE THESE ARE ESTABLISHED FOR. Christ ppl.
I did search. That's all the "rules" state. It doesn't say how many times, or how long I should do it, but that I should. So I did. Rule not broken.
Also, I didn't circumvent ANY sticky to this sub forum or neglect to read the guides posted HERE.
Once again, I'd appreciate it if those that, even passively suggest, that I violated rules, *****ed, or whined would at least make sense.
Both of you viloated the rules. You didnt look very hard even if you searched. He didnt read and got snappy with you. You started using language which isnt allowed.
JJEgan isnt butt hurt. Dont even say i am when you read this either cuz i am not.
These forums arent to help noobs or their laziness to find what has been placed right in front of them. I wonder why it is called XDA-Developers???
**Cough**Cough**
I'ts a developer forum not a support forum. While we do help people that need it and actually try and hold them selfs up, we only do it for the ones that try first. Not the ones that want everything handed to them.
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Failing to bother to read the rules is against the rules .
Right at the beginning of the first post the rules .
For more information on the Original Android Development section check out this portal post
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1. Search before posting.
Use one of our search functions before posting, whether you have a question or something new to share, it's very likely someone already asked that question or shared that news.
So absolutely no excuse for someone noob or not to navigate past the rules past the stickied FAQS and GUIDES and past the search button to post a repetitive question .
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Thanks JJE
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Both of you viloated the rules. You didnt look very hard even if you searched. He didnt read and got snappy with you. You started using language which isnt allowed.
JJEgan isnt butt hurt. Dont even say i am when you read this either cuz i am not.
These forums arent to help noobs or their laziness to find what has been placed right in front of them. I wonder why it is called XDA-Developers???
**Cough**Cough**
I'ts a developer forum not a support forum. While we do help people that need it and actually try and hold them selfs up, we only do it for the ones that try first. Not the ones that want everything handed to them.
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Developers huh? What have you developed? Probably 90% of the members of this forum have never looked at a line of code. Give me a break.
Laziness is a very subjective term. I take it that you've searched for hours on end on every subject you seek knowledge on before creating a thread? No. You haven't. No one does. Or has the time too. If you can find the answer to my initial post in a sticky to this sub forum, you let me know. I'll stand corrected.
I don't want anything "handed" to me. I've been a productive member of society for more than 30 years and I didn't get there by people "handing" me anything. I asked for information in a forum. If no one wants to answer because it's physically challenging, or don't have the time, or feel like they are "handing" me something, then they don't have to answer. Get it? It's a free country. Someone else can answer, or not answer. I'm not hurting anyone or anything typing on a keyboard in a forum.
So stop acting like I rewrote The Constitution. I never violated a "search" rule.
Eek it's a flame war, run away run away!
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Developers huh? What have you developed? Probably 90% of the members of this forum have never looked at a line of code. Give me a break.
Laziness is a very subjective term. I take it that you've searched for hours on end on every subject you seek knowledge on before creating a thread? No. You haven't. No one does. Or has the time too. If you can find the answer to my initial post in a sticky to this sub forum, you let me know. I'll stand corrected.
I don't want anything "handed" to me. I've been a productive member of society for more than 30 years and I didn't get there by people "handing" me anything. I asked for information in a forum. If no one wants to answer because it's physically challenging, or don't have the time, or feel like they are "handing" me something, then they don't have to answer. Get it? It's a free country. Someone else can answer, or not answer. I'm not hurting anyone or anything typing on a keyboard in a forum.
So stop acting like I rewrote The Constitution. I never violated a "search" rule.
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Well just use some common sense to realise the difference between android development and android original development. We're not here to babysit you. And if you looked closely, the difference is....AOSP for android original development and Sammy based roms for android development....
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I remember a time when people were helpful on XDA. They would share knowledge, help others who know less. Unfortunately, those days are long gone.
I have referred many friends and acquaintances to XDA Developers, telling them there are many very experienced guys - and girls - who are happy to help you... It gives many of them the experience they need.
But a number of these people would tell me that the people on XDA are, basically, jerks! Rather than complain along with others, I hope to get through to at least one of you.
XDA began as a site where anyone with a specific handheld device could ask any question in order to get help...with any problem they would encounter. It grew and added other devices. Now XDA has become the most reputable go-to site for help with any kind of phone. If anyone knows anything about phones they know XDA Developers.
Guys, this should not be a place to show-off, or to be rude or intimidating. Often, there are people with questions, or need help, advice...and they don't know anything. These are the people who need help the most. Your help. Please treat people the way YOU would want to be treated when YOU did not know anything at all. That is all I ask.
Thank you.
If you ask nicely, in the right place, you'll get an answer.
The problem is when people come demanding this or that, being rude and asking questions in the wrong places.
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my expirience is i been in 2 phone sections the skyrocket galaxy s2 and the lg g2.
in the s2 there were very helpful but when i came here i notice the same thing rather then getting help you get unnecessary post or answers.. or making fun of you or beign smartasses.. ive had a few arguments with some guys in here so they know who they are
the way i think is teach someone that someone will teach another, we are all different some will get it, and to some will be more difficult. instead ofa bogus post why not share link or type a helpful post.. then if you aint helping why post at all just ignore and go on with life..
CiscoKydd said:
I remember a time when people were helpful on XDA. They would share knowledge, help others who know less. Unfortunately, those days are long gone.
I have referred many friends and acquaintances to XDA Developers, telling them there are many very experienced guys - and girls - who are happy to help you... It gives many of them the experience they need.
But a number of these people would tell me that the people on XDA are, basically, jerks! Rather than complain along with others, I hope to get through to at least one of you.
XDA began as a site where anyone with a specific handheld device could ask any question in order to get help...with any problem they would encounter. It grew and added other devices. Now XDA has become the most reputable go-to site for help with any kind of phone. If anyone knows anything about phones they know XDA Developers.
Guys, this should not be a place to show-off, or to be rude or intimidating. Often, there are people with questions, or need help, advice...and they don't know anything. These are the people who need help the most. Your help. Please treat people the way YOU would want to be treated when YOU did not know anything at all. That is all I ask.
Thank you.
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As a moderator and very active member of this community I see a lot. There are threads that I participate in as a member and those are the most friendly, helpful threads. I am actually shocked at the helpfulness and politeness in spite of the fact that people asking the questions failed to read as close as 2 posts above which had their answer. More and more members have joined this community and do not want to read even the basic requirement of the OP of the thread before they attempt to modify their $600 device. Too many members want an answer NAO without having to go to the trouble of reading or searching a little. The very first rule asks all members who join to search first. When I joined in 2010, I read for a month before making my first post. XDA was not a help desk then. It was a place to share knowledge. This is two very different things. People who genuinely want help, how to theme, how to change something, how to know how to adjust a kernel and figure out the best setting for themselves...those people usually get the help they need. But people that refuse to read, expecting the members of the thread to do it for them...then ask a question in a development thread like "Do I need root for this?" Then proceed to ask to be spoon fed how to do it? This probably will annoy some members that have done a little reading. So yes, the site has changed...you can expect that with going from a million members in 2010 to 7 million now. And on the other hand we do have rules regarding member conduct as well, and members should respect the new members and guide them..make this the site they want it to be and once was. I understand what you are saying but I also see many sides of this. I see new members being rude, demanding answers, expecting someone to answer within an hour of their question, as well as the other side of someone rudely stating "Search!". So it is not just one sided. Unfortunately I see this as a sign of what society in general is becoming as we overpopulate this poor ball of dirt hurtling through space.
Thank you, KennyG123. I cannot disagree with anything you stated. In fact, it reminds me that I forgot to mention to new members that they be polite, also. I cannot help but to agree with you 100%. We all need a little reminder sometimes. So I hope that someone...anyone reads this and think about how they treat others. I need it, too!
Again, Thank you, KennyG123.
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Enjoyed this thoroughly.
Been on since my little Frodo Sony Xperia mini x10i (what a name) and right here are the two sides of coin.
When I came on I knew nothing - and asked some dumb questions, and did the searches etc.
Many of those searches came back with stuff I could not understand. And some of the people reproducing this info were jerks - concerned only with obfuscation and an invitation to pm.
However, people were not rude, so eventually you find someone same level or a little higher and you're off.
Then suddenly the nicest thing happens - someone asks for help...and you CAN help. You recognise yourself and step in and it's good - EVEN IF just to remind them that the answer is on the page before, and sometimes searching first will help. And this without the eye-rolling condescension...you all know what I mean.
I too have referred people here, impressed with my 'knowledge', and I'm like, no, look, it's this great community of people......and then have them come back all discouraged and they may as well just stick to whatever the corporations foist on them.
Then on the other hand, a couple of years ago I noticed a proliferating of the other kind of jerk - you know them also.
Badgering the creator of a post for eta's with funny emoticons, I just cant wait, are we there yet, huh, are we there yet, and by the way do you think we'll be getting Smartie for our phones, and over on the 'other' device, they've got the code to overlay on Marshmallow to port to Smartie, their phones are so much better, and more whining, and maybe YOU can do the port, and are we there yet, I'll check back in an hour, and oh ya, how do I root yadiyada - there's a stickie, first post by the way.
That also is plain rude. There's a community, find out a little about it first, or read the phone manual at least.
For both instances I find one thing; real XDAers do not snap at people, don't jeez I wish you'd read something first, aren't put off by being referred to search either, won't make anyone feel like they're time here has been wasted, nor that anyone else is dumb, they've all been there.
These are the fakers, and posers, and always, ALWAYS, at the centre of some flame war.
Of course sometimes you want to voice your opinion on something and read others too so over-moderation kills the fun. There can be discretion, and it is clear when a discussion has gone from heated to just plain chest thumping - step away.
So, you know, use common sense.
Finally, just one more thing, I learnt good moderators are actually very helpful...For anything.
Pm something. They'll point you somewhere, guaranteed. Let them know if you feel like you're being bullied WITH A LINK to where this is happening and they'll show up and clean up the thread and keep safe. Though look, if YOU are the one stirring stuff up and then reporting, that too will be seen, and in my experience, that's looked at as a worse offence than just not searching first, so be sure.
Something HAS happened to the entire world of social internet that I find reprehensible. People have become rude simply because it makes them feel better to put someone else down in style.
I don't know when it happened exactly - and it's everywhere, Reddit, Facebook, wherever.
At XDA we can at least keep reminding people to just have a good time and don't be rude. Do whatever you like; research and grow or ask stupid questions, just don't be rude. We care about everyone on here.
We actually do.
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CiscoKydd your thoughts are echoed by many on XDA. Heck we mods have the same thoughts from time to time.
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CiscoKydd said:
XDA began as a site where anyone with a specific handheld device could ask any question in order to get help...with any problem they would encounter.
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actually wasn't the guise under which XDA was created. It was a site by developers for developers. There were many times when a Dev would tell people to F off but by in large (as it is today) many were willing to share their knowledge.
CiscoKydd said:
Guys, this should not be a place to show-off, or to be rude or intimidating.
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We simply call this group the entitled.. Ask them, they will tell you it is so:silly:
A big change implemented a few years ago on XDA, came about with this small group in mind. We call it the report system (explained here):good:
While we like to see this behemoth (XDA) run like a well oiled machine, there will always be a wrench thrown into the cog. We (moderators/admin of XDA) ask that you NOT let yourselves get dragged into the battle of wills. A simple report with a simple explanation (in said report) usually lets us deal with a situation with little, to no drama left behind in its wake.
CiscoKydd said:
Please treat people the way YOU would want to be treated when YOU did not know anything at all. That is all I ask.
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Cheers to that mate:good:
As membership continues to grow we can only hope that the few that read this remember why we are all here, to share and help others with what you know.
I have been "crying" to XDA for a number of years for help. I always got the help I needed. Most important, I got an education. There is more knowledge here on XDA than I could ever absorb! The hardest part was learning to search. But once I got over that hump I felt... Powerful!!
And I need to remind myself to be understanding, patient, respectful. You guys are right. It ain't easy sometimes. But XDA is a learning experience.
You guys are a good and knowledgeable bunch. Thanks. For everything.
I honestly feel this dependence on the question. I usually just look at topics rather then post in them, and I can see some people ask a certian question that other people regret as nubish, so suddenly they have "Nub mode" on. I just want them to remember that they, once upon a time were these so called noobs too.
Obviously this is not true about the majority of the people, just some.
Move this thread to "android general" or something, its useless to have it here
A short and good note mate ! but why here ?
Thanks for bringing this up.
Eminemiero said:
Move this thread to "android general" or something, its useless to have it here
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rajkatiyar07 said:
A short and good note mate ! but why here ?
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I assume the OP has a G2 and felt he would like to post his opinion on the subject in his general section.
This is fine:good:
TonyStark said:
Thanks for bringing this up.
I assume the OP has a G2 and felt he would like to post his opinion on the subject in his general section.
This is fine:good:
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No problem Mr. Stark !
Regards :- Jarvis
I don't know why but I really miss 2010 to 2012 gingerbread days
OP is right. I think this situation becomes because of release xda themes after 2010 version. I'am using 2010 theme and I think after 2010 themes are very compilcated and makes users nerveous and this is the reason why anyone not want to be help each other.
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I don't know why but I really miss 2010 to 2012 gingerbread days
OP is right. I think this situation becomes because of release xda themes after 2010 version. I'am using 2010 theme and I think after 2010 themes are very compilcated and makes users nerveous and this is the reason why anyone not want to be help each other.
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Thats funny, I came here in 2013 and I think that theme's the best and everything else is complicated. I miss the kitkat days.
Alradaev said:
I honestly feel this dependence on the question. I usually just look at topics rather then post in them, and I can see some people ask a certian question that other people regret as nubish, so suddenly they have "Nub mode" on. I just want them to remember that they, once upon a time were these so called noobs too.
Obviously this is not true about the majority of the people, just some.
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I can't remember ever being flamed for making a noob question. One of my first posts on this site was a silly question in a dev thread and the developer (LenAsh) just answered it respectfully. Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones but my noobishness was only ever met with kindness and help.
I don't think I've experienced any rudeness when I've (albeit rarely) asked any questions since I started my Android journey in early-mid 2014. Before that I was an iOS guy, before that a Final Fantasy XI guy (MMORPG, was a moderator for a while of one of the biggest FFXI websites created by my best friend), and so on and so on. All forums that are a bit on the nerdy/technical/gadgets side have a problem with rude people. Lest we not forget the adage that the delightful guys at Penny Arcade put into a perfect cartoon: regular person + anonymity (sometimes)= bag of douche.
Having been a moderator I understand the frustration occasionally felt by @KennyG123 and @TonyStark. Why are some people such freakin jerks, yet others will type the same thing 10,000 times just to feel like they've helped 10,000 people. Why do some people read and search and learn first for a while before asking anything, yet others will ask (and almost demand) to have their hand held at every. single. step.? Maybe it's human nature?
I'm all about helping and being nice. Online and off.
people tend to ask first read later or no read at all.
they just want to post the question then go and do their own thing, come back later to see the answer.
while the thread starter wasted their own time to type the multiple posts of information/FAQ.
and last, this post should not be in this section as this is not even android related.
you post the wrong question in the wrong section and you still hope to get an answer?
I've been on the HTC wildfire, Nexus 5, Nexus 7 2013, Nexus 9 and LG G2 threads and have always found the other XDA members to be most helpful, (even though I'm not a flashaholic.)
However, I do make sure to search before asking questions and can therefore understand the frustration of answering questions that have been asked many times before. :angel:
So true but it seems out side of the G2 forums, there are still good people.
I had a good experience in the nexus 6 forums, never once got asked to "search before asking" best part of it is that I don't even have a N6 and the question I asked was actually illegal/criminal, I didn't know that at the time and those members explained in detail why it was illegal without bring disrespectful to me.
I honestly blame mods for not being strict enough.
I brought up a few specific xda members that were out right harassing people and I presented my case with evidence of repeated harassment.
The mod told me that I was over reacting. I said that by not doing anything about it they were condoning the action.
I wanted to strangle that mod, completely worthless. Police that don't enforce.
If the mods would start banning the few that are bringing xda down, then the problem would be solved.
But they won't do anything!
Mods have their work cut out for them here and I know they are doing the best they can, but it's not focused correctly to rectify the problem.
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