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Hey guys, I've been a long time lurker but never really posted that much.
i was wondering if there was any way that the ASUS transformer keyboard can be hacked with the gtab dock adapter? I dont im alone in this, or if not that do you think there will be some third party who would make one? I think the sale on woot and now amazon might help push manufactures to make it.
Its very less likely that the keyboard would work due to the proprietary connector.
That said, a blutooth keyboard with a 10" enclosure should work no problem, and I see many manufacturer going into this once the transformer style become popular.
There is nothing unique about the eee keyboard the convertible style keyboard was already available for IPAD2 long before any one knew about the EEE.
http://clamcase.com/
http://cruxcase.com/products/crux360/
I just love the idea that I can have a netbook and a tablet and switch at my convenience. The links that you posted is exactly what I am looking for. Is there anything in that style that will fit the Gtab?
modfrenzy said:
I just love the idea that I can have a netbook and a tablet and switch at my convenience. The links that you posted is exactly what I am looking for. Is there anything in that style that will fit the Gtab?
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unfortunately not that slick, you currently can go with the clip cases with USB or BT keyboards, they are very campy compared to this (well at least the USB version doesn't cost that much).
That said, I think with the huge recent surge in GTab owners, I don't think it would be that before some go on and make a professionally looking case like the ones quoted above (esp if the EEE transformer goes popular)
Crossing my fingers to that! I've spent a lot of time looking at everything that is currently available for our G tabs, and nothing seems "professional"; instead it all looks slapped together. Engadget has been posting a few articles about the G tab and with the lower price and the over clocking kernels....
Here me hoping that some third party shines some light back in Viewsonic's direction.
After reading all the negative posts made by a tiny few people, I registered just to set the record straight.
Prime is the best tablet out there, period. It can be tablet or laptop, has quad core power and so thin and light. You need to spend time with it to know how awesome it is. A very vocal minority of annoying people posting useless complaints and a lot of them are ignorant. Check out the polls and you will see majority of forum is totally in love with this.
Uneducated people using HC think this tablet should not stutter at all navigating UI. Guess what? HC is not optimized for quad core. ICS will be out soon and will fix this. This is first release people! Also firmware is coming down often from Asus to help. Also factory resetting easilly returns the Prime to responsiveness when needed. Asus deserves props for launching most powerful tablet at excellent price. This baby is 10 times better than iPad.
Browser is great too, but if its too sluggish for you just get Opera! We have choices people. Stock browser just gives you a taste of what is out there.
People complaining about GPS have started 3 threads on it. Is that really necessary? I come to XDA to find out new tricks and hacks for my TFP, not to read pages of complaints made by select few people. For majority of us GPS is not an issue. Google maps shows my position just fine. Anyone wanting 10" GPS for driving around should go get a real GPS. This is a TABLET. Even Asus Sweeden says GPS is just extra feature, not even a primary sensor. You should be happy it has EXTRA FEATURE, not complain about it! Truth is most people don't care about GPS anyway.
As for loose LCD screen, again first release. You knew there will be some minor issues so why complain about minor things. I am almost finished with my "Superglue Mod" which completely and easilly fixes this issue. I will post instructions after I figure out how to remove glue fingerprints from under screen.
Light bleed can only be seen in dark room, or during startup, but I believe my superglue mod will also fix screen bleed. Just have to figure out how to do it without glue fingerprints. For now I am recommend people just leave it alone and give factory glue more time to set. Also firmware may fix this.
Some peoples have said screen is too yellow. Its actually just color temperature they choose and is a design feature, and good personal preferance. Many people wear yellow glasses for driving or shooting to ENHANCE what they see. I for one am glad for some very slight yellow tint, because now display is enhanced.
WiFi is more than acceptable. Although not as good as my phone's but soon I expect other modders to come out with case hack which will make WiFi perfect. Might even help GPS.
Battery life is the best also.
Dead GPS isn't a useless complaint, but indeed a very valid one imho.
Not to mention it didnt start out as an "extra" feature, but was later made out to be, just to cover their asses.
And I don't know what polls you've been looking at, but the ones Ive seen were showing that the majority was less then satisfied.
And if you deem it acceptable for the first batch to pretty much fall apart, you are an idiot.
There is no excuse for piss poor QC, especially for devices of this price caliber.
You're already super gluing your screen, hope the 500 bucks was worth it?
Firmware doesnt fix hardware problems like screen bleeding either.
I agree, this is a great tablet. Some people wouldn't know what to do with themselves if they couldn't complain.
I have had no problems and the screen and battery exceed my expectations. Glad I bought it.
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using xda premium
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Prime is the best tablet out there, period. It can be tablet or laptop, has quad core power and so thin and light. You need to spend time with it to know how awesome it is. A very vocal minority of annoying people posting useless complaints and a lot of them are ignorant.
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I think it's beneficial all that complaining - it's pushing ASUS to develop a GPS solution.
That's pressure that helps us all.
I think it could be done more sophisticatedly however - seems like a lot of pouting going on.
However, it's a minor issue and I agree with you 100% -
Awesome battery life!!
This is right on the money! Thanks for those comments....Now I just can't wait to get mine.
It's just very sad that as consumers we have to anticipate the minor errors for initial production units. You would assume the QC for these companies would identify issues, but I think there is so much demand on a product that the company would rather release a few under par units to be returned later than delay the release. Either way, my philosophy has always been that I don't "NEED" the product right away, so sit back and wait until I'm comfortable spending the money on that product and peruse and reviews so I know what to expect. Sometimes I even decided I didn't want the product after the reviews.
I'm glad to see your positive and realistic comments. I'm right on track with your post.
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After reading all the negative posts made by a tiny few people, I registered just to set the record straight.
Prime is the best tablet out there, period. It can be tablet or laptop, has quad core power and so thin and light. You need to spend time with it to know how awesome it is. A very vocal minority of annoying people posting useless complaints and a lot of them are ignorant. Check out the polls and you will see majority of forum is totally in love with this.
Uneducated people using HC think this tablet should not stutter at all navigating UI. Guess what? HC is not optimized for quad core. ICS will be out soon and will fix this. This is first release people! Also firmware is coming down often from Asus to help. Also factory resetting easilly returns the Prime to responsiveness when needed. Asus deserves props for launching most powerful tablet at excellent price. This baby is 10 times better than iPad.
Browser is great too, but if its too sluggish for you just get Opera! We have choices people. Stock browser just gives you a taste of what is out there.
People complaining about GPS have started 3 threads on it. Is that really necessary? I come to XDA to find out new tricks and hacks for my TFP, not to read pages of complaints made by select few people. For majority of us GPS is not an issue. Google maps shows my position just fine. Anyone wanting 10" GPS for driving around should go get a real GPS. This is a TABLET. Even Asus Sweeden says GPS is just extra feature, not even a primary sensor. You should be happy it has EXTRA FEATURE, not complain about it! Truth is most people don't care about GPS anyway.
As for loose LCD screen, again first release. You knew there will be some minor issues so why complain about minor things. I am almost finished with my "Superglue Mod" which completely and easilly fixes this issue. I will post instructions after I figure out how to remove glue fingerprints from under screen.
Light bleed can only be seen in dark room, or during startup, but I believe my superglue mod will also fix screen bleed. Just have to figure out how to do it without glue fingerprints. For now I am recommend people just leave it alone and give factory glue more time to set. Also firmware may fix this.
Some peoples have said screen is too yellow. Its actually just color temperature they choose and is a design feature, and good personal preferance. Many people wear yellow glasses for driving or shooting to ENHANCE what they see. I for one am glad for some very slight yellow tint, because now display is enhanced.
WiFi is more than acceptable. Although not as good as my phone's but soon I expect other modders to come out with case hack which will make WiFi perfect. Might even help GPS.
Battery life is the best also.
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You had me inspired...right up until the super glue finger prints. Yike! What where you thinking?
If Asus can revise the hardware in order to fix GPS and strengthen Wifi to be comparable to other tablets, and can improve their QC, and ICS lives up to what people expect of it, then I will deem the Transformer Prime the best current tablet. So a Transformer Prime with fixed GPS, improved Wifi, no QC issues, and ICS is what I would call the best current tablet. It needs this confluence of improvements to be deemed "best". But I would not call it the best in its current state.
As to the OP, that is probably one of the most idiotic posts I have seen in this forum so far.
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After reading all the negative posts made by a tiny few people, I registered just to set the record straight.
Prime is the best tablet out there, period. It can be tablet or laptop, has quad core power and so thin and light. You need to spend time with it to know how awesome it is. A very vocal minority of annoying people posting useless complaints and a lot of them are ignorant. Check out the polls and you will see majority of forum is totally in love with this.
Uneducated people using HC think this tablet should not stutter at all navigating UI. Guess what? HC is not optimized for quad core. ICS will be out soon and will fix this. This is first release people! Also firmware is coming down often from Asus to help. Also factory resetting easilly returns the Prime to responsiveness when needed. Asus deserves props for launching most powerful tablet at excellent price. This baby is 10 times better than iPad.
Browser is great too, but if its too sluggish for you just get Opera! We have choices people. Stock browser just gives you a taste of what is out there.
People complaining about GPS have started 3 threads on it. Is that really necessary? I come to XDA to find out new tricks and hacks for my TFP, not to read pages of complaints made by select few people. For majority of us GPS is not an issue. Google maps shows my position just fine. Anyone wanting 10" GPS for driving around should go get a real GPS. This is a TABLET. Even Asus Sweeden says GPS is just extra feature, not even a primary sensor. You should be happy it has EXTRA FEATURE, not complain about it! Truth is most people don't care about GPS anyway.
As for loose LCD screen, again first release. You knew there will be some minor issues so why complain about minor things. I am almost finished with my "Superglue Mod" which completely and easilly fixes this issue. I will post instructions after I figure out how to remove glue fingerprints from under screen.
Light bleed can only be seen in dark room, or during startup, but I believe my superglue mod will also fix screen bleed. Just have to figure out how to do it without glue fingerprints. For now I am recommend people just leave it alone and give factory glue more time to set. Also firmware may fix this.
Some peoples have said screen is too yellow. Its actually just color temperature they choose and is a design feature, and good personal preferance. Many people wear yellow glasses for driving or shooting to ENHANCE what they see. I for one am glad for some very slight yellow tint, because now display is enhanced.
WiFi is more than acceptable. Although not as good as my phone's but soon I expect other modders to come out with case hack which will make WiFi perfect. Might even help GPS.
Battery life is the best also.
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that's what I've been saying but seems obvious. alot of the negative complainers aren't getting the point. they wouldn't know a good thing if it hit them in the face.
robomo said:
I think it's beneficial all that complaining - it's pushing ASUS to develop a GPS solution.
That's pressure that helps us all.
I think it could be done more sophisticatedly however - seems like a lot of pouting going on.
However, it's a minor issue and I agree with you 100% -
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I agree with you also. nothing wrong with voicing complaints and dislikes with the device. but do so in a more proper and constructive manner. pouting and telling people not to get the device because they had a bad experience isn't helping anyone. I think the biggest GPS thread is the only one trying to help figure out a solution. all others are just rants and overly exaggerated.
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This is right on the money! Thanks for those comments....Now I just can't wait to get mine.
It's just very sad that as consumers we have to anticipate the minor errors for initial production units. You would assume the QC for these companies would identify issues, but I think there is so much demand on a product that the company would rather release a few under par units to be returned later than delay the release. Either way, my philosophy has always been that I don't "NEED" the product right away, so sit back and wait until I'm comfortable spending the money on that product and peruse and reviews so I know what to expect. Sometimes I even decided I didn't want the product after the reviews.
I'm glad to see your positive and realistic comments. I'm right on track with your post.
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we need more posts and threads like these to overshadow the ones trying to make it seem like all primes are broken or faulty. some people here believe if your device is working properly, you must be lying, or don't know any better, or ignoring the issues, or even not running the trouble shooting tests correctly. those people that assume that have no clue and try to impose and influence their negative way of thinking on other members and new people coming on to the scene. very glad that more n more people realizing the real truth.
Like I said before, if I wouldn't listened to all the negative comments and let it influence me, I would've never got this tablet. Since 12/22, I've been note than satisfied with it and easily exceeded all my expectations. only slight issue is GPS. which I'm not pressed about anyways. that's why I never bothered to give it a real test yet. once the time comes, I will.
Always happy to hear when more n more people happy with device. It is truly the best out right now and I think some people hate that that's Fact
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Uneducated people using HC think this tablet should not stutter at all navigating UI. Guess what? HC is not optimized for quad core. ICS will be out soon and will fix this.
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Can you educate me and link to a source for your claim that ICS will somehow be more optimized for quad core processors and will reduce stuttering?
Thanks.
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You had me inspired...right up until the super glue finger prints. Yike! What where you thinking?
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the super glue part does have me scratching head also..lol. I would've sent it in n let Asus send me another one or fix it. that's a lil extreme though, super glue.
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After reading all the negative posts made by a tiny few people, I registered just to set the record straight.
As for loose LCD screen, again first release. You knew there will be some minor issues so why complain about minor things. I am almost finished with my "Superglue Mod" which completely and easilly fixes this issue. I will post instructions after I figure out how to remove glue fingerprints from under screen.
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As a punter who has the prime on pre-order at two separate retailers in good old blighty, and who is looking forwards to delivery and appreciate the positive comments that you have made; I do wonder about the "superglue mod" as to be honest I will be returning mine for a new model if Asus bundle some superglue with mine!
When I have paid £500 for my toy I am afraid I do want it to be stuck together before I get it (I can remember how messy I was with airfix models 40 years ago ) and teh thought of a screen with superglued fingerprints on the inside of the screen makes me want to scream and also wonder what you have done for your warranty!!
Let's hope you have no major future problems with the little beast.
Andy
Kobald said:
Prime is the best tablet out there, period.
- Also factory resetting easilly returns the Prime to responsiveness when needed.
- Even Asus Sweeden says GPS is just extra feature, not even a primary sensor. You should be happy it has EXTRA FEATURE
- As for loose LCD screen, again first release.
- Light bleed can only be seen in dark room, or during startup, but I believe my superglue mod will also fix screen bleed.
- Many people wear yellow glasses for driving or shooting to ENHANCE what they see. I for one am glad for some very slight yellow tint, because now display is enhanced.
- WiFi is more than acceptable. Although not as good as my phone's
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So if the Acer and Lenovo have these issues when they first come out, are you going to cut them the same amount of slack you're cutting Asus? Because what you're basically saying is that any initial issues don't count on new devices and when judging what's "best" people should ignore its faults and view it based on what it "can" be not what it "is."
Sorry, couldn't help myself. Saying "best ever" in your thread title and then spending 1/2 of your post talking about issues and attacking people that have them just seems paradoxical.
best tablet so far? yes
good enough for me to buy? not with a locked bootloader.
If Asus doesn't unlock it I won't get one, and I'll check out what other companies are showing off at CES.
I am having real problem to remove superglue thumbprint and dont think I will release that mod. Too much potential for mistake plus screen is now lose again. Think I am try to return it for replacement.
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I am having real problem to remove superglue thumbprint and dont think I will release that mod. Too much potential for mistake plus screen is now lose again. Think I am try to return it for replacement.
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Somuch for being highly educated, hmm?
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Somuch for being highly educated, hmm?
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I'd like to see the explantion to the store associate for the super glue fingerprint when he returns it.
Its not very bad, I doubt they will notice.
Dude, I want to love this tablet as much as you do, but you sound like an uneducated fan boy in denial.
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk
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Its not very bad, I doubt they will notice.
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Wow... I think they will.
Theres a fingerprint, splattering and what seems to be a gash or a bit of glue that ran down the screen.
What did you do to that poor thing?
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holy ****, wth did you do?
I've been researching Tablets and i must be able to write notes with ease. I've read the best stylus is the Jot Pro which i've gone and purchased. I've also read that writing with a active digitizer is the best for taking hand notes.
i've yet to read about "active digitizer" in any of the specs for the TP so i was wondering how it would compair to a active digitizer screen? Also to what degree would it be better or worse?
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I've been researching Tablets and i must be able to write notes with ease. I've read the best stylus is the Jot Pro which i've gone and purchased. I've also read that writing with a active digitizer is the best for taking hand notes.
i've yet to read about "active digitizer" in any of the specs for the TP so i was wondering how it would compair to a active digitizer screen? Also to what degree would it be better or worse?
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Trust me, if you put conductive grease in your jot ball, you won't see any difference between using that on the TF or TFP and a tablet with digitizer.
Active digitizer has pressure sensitivity. Although it can be... less precise than Adonit (because some active digitizers are innacurate when holded on different angles).
Unfortunetaly Transformer doesn't have one. Adonit was supposed to show active digitizer for all tablets on CES. I wonder what they will make.
Thanks. I ask because i was watching a video smackdown between the TFP vs. Motorola Droid XYBoard and she specifically made a point that Active Digitizer screens are better for note taking.
She did not mention how much better these screens are and with all the people here saying the Jot Pro is amazing with the TFP, it can't be that much better.
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Thanks. I ask because i was watching a video smackdown between the TFP vs. Motorola Droid XYBoard and she specifically made a point that Active Digitizer screens are better for note taking.
She did not mention how much better these screens are and with all the people here saying the Jot Pro is amazing with the TFP, it can't be that much better.
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I know what video you're talking about. Reviewers are not gods. They know a lot of official stuff, but they don't know **** about real life stuff. Most reviewers still say the ipad2 is much much much better than the tf. The tf has been out for how long? Most reviewers still criticize the tf keyboard for not being able to disable the touchpad. Hint, its a shortkey on top somewhere.
Reviewers are good at giving you first impressions. But they suck at telling you about real life applications.
If you'd rather put your trust in reviewers, then you should get a motor xyboard. I'm telling you from real life experience. You won't notice a difference.
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I know what video you're talking about. Reviewers are not gods. They know a lot of official stuff, but they don't know **** about real life stuff. Most reviewers still say the ipad2 is much much much better than the tf. The tf has been out for how long? Most reviewers still criticize the tf keyboard for not being able to disable the touchpad. Hint, its a shortkey on top somewhere.
Reviewers are good at giving you first impressions. But they suck at telling you about real life applications.
If you'd rather put your trust in reviewers, then you should get a motor xyboard. I'm telling you from real life experience. You won't notice a difference.
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Wonderful. I really didn't read to much into it. I watch/read to get a good overview per say. As someone with zero experience with tablets that is why i come here, to the people with them, to ask these questions not answered in these reviews.
Thanks again
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Wonderful. I really didn't read to much into it. I watch/read to get a good overview per say. As someone with zero experience with tablets that is why i come here, to the people with them, to ask these questions not answered in these reviews.
Thanks again
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Yeah, people tend to trust those with authority these days. Somewhere along the line, people lost their trust in real life experience.
Take my g/f's dad, for example. His win7 computer stopped animating the windows when he move them around. It bothered him so much that he called in a geek squad guy. The geek squad guy said there was nothing he could do but reinstall win7 OS. Wanted to charge him $200 for it. My g/f and I happened to walk in at the time. My g/f told her dad to let me try fixing it. He hesitated (because I wasn't a geek squad... and geek squad knows everything, right?), and said sure why not. It took me a whole 2 minutes to fix his problem. All I did was went into the windows animation settings and reset the damn thing.
Think about it. He came this close to paying $200 for a geek squad know-it-all to re-install windows for a settings problem.
To this day, I still write to reviewers every time they got something wrong. What's disappointing is after I've written my lengthy correction, they still get it wrong in their next review. The TF keyboard is a perfect example. Back in May, reviewers were all criticizing the TF keyboard for not having the option to disable the touchpad. I promptly wrote to every one of them informing them of the 4th button from the left top row. The same reviewers are now *****ing about the prime keyboard not having the option to disable the touchpad. It seems like these guys picked up the TF, xoom, or whatever, used it for a whole 5 minutes, and then declare themselves experts of all things tablets. It's effing annoying as hell reading their reviews. They get so many things wrong!
In addition, most of the tech industry have been taken over by apple fanboys. Take a look at the following article written just a few days ago.
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/01/ces-tablets-redemption/all/1
Notice that the transformer was not mentioned at all in that article. Instead, the writer pointed to all the failed tablets (xoom, touchpad, etc.) declaring them to be the only examples of non-ipad tablets. As a matter of fact, even as the prime is being rolled out, reviewers continue to ignore the asus TF/TFP. Despite the fact that the TF is now the most successful android tablet, reviewers still want to pretend like it doesn't exist and that the game really is about between the ipad2 and the xoom.
But I guess I'm just a nobody and they are reviewers so they must know everything there is to know about these devices.
Its called ignorance
So about taking notes with a pen like the JotPro, is it cool? I mean would you guys go into a semi important meeting with just the prime and no paper?
And is there a note taking app that lets you rest your hand on the tablet in any way while writing (some dedicated space would be fine i guess)?
->nevermind this, just found that in another thread:
(5) Writepad stylus - note taking app with palm rejection, meaning you can rest your hand on the screen and still be able to write. Can save your notes as pdf docs.
Had the jot pro, disliked it enough that I returned it this morning. Half of the time it missed the lines I was writing. I switched to a targus and it works much better. I think the JOt Pro has such a small surface that it just lost connectivity with the screen. I tested it on a screen with no protection on it btw. It probably would have been worse with a screen protector.
I have not found a note taking app that does good with hand rejection. I just use the hover above method.
That being said, I do only take the Prime to meetings, no paper, and take notes all the time. Works great.
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Trust me, if you put conductive grease in your jot ball, you won't see any difference between using that on the TF or TFP and a tablet with digitizer.
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I Googled "conductive grease" and found around 20 different options on the first page of websites plus the dude at bestbuy never herd of it. If you could give me a link to a product to look for that would be fantastic. By chance do you have a screen protector on your tablet?
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I Googled "conductive grease" and found around 20 different options on the first page of websites plus the dude at bestbuy never herd of it. If you could give me a link to a product to look for that would be fantastic. By chance do you have a screen protector on your tablet?
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(1) I just talked to the entire tablet department of bestbuy and none of them knew the tegra 3 had a 5th core.
(2) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BODU66/ref=oh_o01_s00_i00_details
(3) I don't use a screen protector. Been using it since may. Not a single scratch on my screen. And I don't even have a sleeve for it.
Pretty good review of the Asus TF300...I didn't expect Engadget to give it such praise.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/22/asus-transformer-pad-tf300-review/
I had no idea this was already a finished product
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I had no idea this was already a finished product
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Yea, releases today. It seems like everyone has only heard of the 700, but not this, so I posted it.
I'd love to sell my fiances Galaxy Tab to get her this,but she needs a 7". Can't wait to see the 7 incher from ASUS or ASUS/Google...
this was already posted in the 300 thread earlier today
A cheaper version of the Prime. The only difference really is not a sharp looking (cheaper materials) and no Super IPS+ display making it easy.
Sent from my Transformer Prime TF201 using Tapatalk 2
Aside from the fact that the battery life isn't quite as epic as the Prime's, our most serious complaint has little to do with ASUS, and more with Android: even with a state-of-the-art chip running the latest version of the OS, the tablet occasionally hiccups when launching apps and resizing web pages.
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Love my prime for this
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A cheaper version of the Prime. The only difference really is not a sharp looking (cheaper materials) and no Super IPS+ display making it easy.
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It's also a bit thicker
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I was hoping they would be more comprehensive about the wi-fi. All they said was "we didn't encounter any problems." I'd really like some comparative analysis between the 300 and the Prime, particularly since the 300 has a plastic back plate.
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I was hoping they would be more comprehensive about the wi-fi. All they said was "we didn't encounter any problems." I'd really like some comparative analysis between the 300 and the Prime, particularly since the 300 has a plastic back plate.
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to be honest, I've seen breakdowns on wifi performance comparisons. the 300, according to those charts, does perform better on wifi across various distances from router. It can also be said alot of prime owners don't have an issue with their wifi. I think it may have been Anandtech review where i saw the comparison charts. I cant remember. Either them or Android Central. If i come across it again ill link you to it.
edit: i found it. it was Anandtech. he has a very thorough review of the 3oo. ill link you to the wifi comparison chart.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5756/asus-transformer-pad-300-review/5
jaycustom said:
Pretty good review of the Asus TF300...I didn't expect Engadget to give it such praise.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/22/asus-transformer-pad-tf300-review/
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You call that praise? I was thinking engadget's just like NO ME GUSTA to this...
Probably sent through one of those little windows in AOKP cornerstone for my tf9001.
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to be honest, I've seen breakdowns on wifi performance comparisons. the 300, according to those charts, does perform better on wifi across various distances from router. It can also be said alot of prime owners don't have an issue with their wifi. I think it may have been Anandtech review where i saw the comparison charts. I cant remember. Either them or Android Central. If i come across it again ill link you to it.
edit: i found it. it was Anandtech. he has a very thorough review of the 3oo. ill link you to the wifi comparison chart.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5756/asus-transformer-pad-300-review/5
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I'm confused... Are you saying that if our Prime performs similar to that chart then we don't have a problem?
Looking at that chart, I see that the Prime is obviously the worst performer and it seems to be a pretty big issue compared to the other tablets.
>http://www.anandtech.com/show/5756/asus-transformer-pad-300-review/5
I wouldn't draw any conclusion from this chart. It's not representative. The numbers are distorted, likely from variations from a single test.
Per the chart, the Prime would have better wifi at 50' + multiple obstructions than at 20' + single obstruction, which obviously is false. Ditto for TF300, which from this would have same wifi performance at 20' as at 80'.
When a single set of numbers is known to be wrong, then the whole work is suspect. I would look askance at the entire review. This is shoddy work. I expect better from Anandtech, especially when Anand dude himself put his own name on the article.
MK17 said:
I'm confused... Are you saying that if our Prime performs similar to that chart then we don't have a problem?
Looking at that chart, I see that the Prime is obviously the worst performer and it seems to be a pretty big issue compared to the other tablets.
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you confusing me..lmao did you see the post i quoted? the original question was asked how does the 300 wifi performance compare to the prime. i gave the Anandtech comparison he did in his in depth review. Anandtech did a prime wifi tests early when prime first came out. his tests didn't fare well with the prime. my prime gets results more similar to the other devices listed. not all primes have wifi that perform bad, especially newer units.
Either way i just linked the person asking the question to a comparison chart showing how well 300 wifi performs. this has nothing to do with the prime by itself. this is just a recorded proof of comparison. that's all really. Since no other tech site has done what the person asked about so far.
what e.mote said is true also.
e.mote said:
>http://www.anandtech.com/show/5756/asus-transformer-pad-300-review/5
I wouldn't draw any conclusion from this chart. It's not representative. The numbers are distorted, likely from variations from a single test.
Per the chart, the Prime would have better wifi at 50' + multiple obstructions than at 20' + single obstruction, which obviously is false. Ditto for TF300, which from this would have same wifi performance at 20' as at 80'.
When a single set of numbers is known to be wrong, then the whole work is suspect. I would look askance at the entire review. This is shoddy work. I expect better from Anandtech, especially when Anand dude himself put his own name on the article.
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That chart tracks with my experience and likely the experience of most other Prime owners. The TF300 has slight dropoff, but consistently strong reception out to a much farther distance. The Prime has significant dropoff quickly, and almost total dropoff at the longer distance.
Both Primes I have owned were exactly the same as the one tested. Within 20 feet of the router, some dropoff. Outside of 20 feet, at least half, and at 60+ feet almost total dropoff. Also, it's reasonable that the 50 foot test was a little stronger than the 20 foot test because of the randomness of the signal dropoff. Sitting 50 feet from my router, I could run the speed test five consecutive times and get five different numbers. That doesn't make the numbers suspect, it makes the Prime's reception suspect because you get such random results.
You can make excuses and call the numbers "suspect" all day long, but I think a lot of Prime owners find those numbers very believable based on actual experience. I just think it's tragic that Asus CONTINUES to pretend that WiFi isn't a real issue, and continues to sell the Prime as the premium product even though it suffers from such a tragic flaw that doesn't seem to plague the "lower" model with the plastic back. Shipping an external GPS antenna to the obvious GPS problem was a nice step, but they still haven't done anything to make WiFi better. IMHO, a new caseback was the only viable solution and they have steadfastly refused to do it.
Asus should offer a trade-in program and see how many people would trade them their current Prime straight-up for a new TF300. That'll be a good indication of which one people think is actually the better product.
>it's reasonable that the 50 foot test was a little stronger than the 20 foot test because of the randomness of the signal dropoff.
OK, removed the "extra-curricular" commentary. Here's the sanitized version:
There are only 4 wifi numbers given for the Prime, one of which (50') is clearly wrong. If you accept that the 50' number is wrong due to "randomness", then the rest of the numbers have no credibility, because they can also be affected by the same "randomness." Hence, the need to minimize testing variability and to publish your testing method.
Wifi tests are highly variable, and you would want to minimize variability by taking some steps, the first of which is to test multiple times, remove the outliers, then normalize the result. The second of which is to publish your methodology so the test can be replicated. The Anandtech piece did neither.
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That chart tracks with my experience and likely the experience of most other Prime owners. The TF300 has slight dropoff, but consistently strong reception out to a much farther distance. The Prime has significant dropoff quickly, and almost total dropoff at the longer distance.
Both Primes I have owned were exactly the same as the one tested. Within 20 feet of the router, some dropoff. Outside of 20 feet, at least half, and at 60+ feet almost total dropoff. Also, it's reasonable that the 50 foot test was a little stronger than the 20 foot test because of the randomness of the signal dropoff. Sitting 50 feet from my router, I could run the speed test five consecutive times and get five different numbers. That doesn't make the numbers suspect, it makes the Prime's reception suspect because you get such random results.
You can make excuses and call the numbers "suspect" all day long, but I think a lot of Prime owners find those numbers very believable based on actual experience. I just think it's tragic that Asus CONTINUES to pretend that WiFi isn't a real issue, and continues to sell the Prime as the premium product even though it suffers from such a tragic flaw that doesn't seem to plague the "lower" model with the plastic back. Shipping an external GPS antenna to the obvious GPS problem was a nice step, but they still haven't done anything to make WiFi better. IMHO, a new caseback was the only viable solution and they have steadfastly refused to do it.
Asus should offer a trade-in program and see how many people would trade them their current Prime straight-up for a new TF300. That'll be a good indication of which one people think is actually the better product.
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Totally agree with you.
Does anyone know the reason why Asus decided not to change the back cover of his Prime?
Because if it's just only for aesthetics, it would be stupidiest reason ever held.
I would like to buy a Prime right now, the best of all Android devices, even with another backcover not-so-cool.
But seeing that problems I prefer buying the TF300 or go to another brand.
What a pity!
daioros said:
Totally agree with you.
Does anyone know the reason why Asus decided not to change the back cover of his Prime?
Because if it's just only for aesthetics, it would be stupidiest reason ever held.
I would like to buy a Prime right now, the best of all Android devices, even with another backcover not-so-cool.
But seeing that problems I prefer buying the TF300 or go to another brand.
What a pity!
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If I had to guess, I'd say it's the obvious answer -- money. If they replace the back cover, then they have to do it to every unit, at a support center, by trained technicians. They're already struggling to keep up with basic repair and support -- a total retrofit would be an insurmountable task for their current infrastructure.
If they ignore the WiFi problem completely and just "fix" the GPS, then they can manufacture an external part, mass-produce and package it, and mail it out to some percentage of their registered owners with no other cost to them.
daioros said:
Totally agree with you.
Does anyone know the reason why Asus decided not to change the back cover of his Prime?
Because if it's just only for aesthetics, it would be stupidiest reason ever held.
I would like to buy a Prime right now, the best of all Android devices, even with another backcover not-so-cool.
But seeing that problems I prefer buying the TF300 or go to another brand.
What a pity!
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I continue to find these posts humoring. Have you looked at a dissected Prime, either here on XDA or at Anandtech? Everything but the glass and LCD is attached to the backplate. That means either several hours labor swapping all the parts from one back to another or just trashing the entire back assembly and replacing all internal components.
So, in short and as mentioned, money. Either of those circumstances is no bueno for ASUS's bottom line, and therefore neither one is happening.
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I continue to find these posts humoring. Have you looked at a dissected Prime, either here on XDA or at Anandtech? Everything but the glass and LCD is attached to the backplate. That means either several hours labor swapping all the parts from one back to another or just trashing the entire back assembly and replacing all internal components.
So, in short and as mentioned, money. Either of those circumstances is no bueno for ASUS's bottom line, and therefore neither one is happening.
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Which also explains why not much availability. The 300 will be their mass production device.
This is SPARTA!!
e.mote said:
>it's reasonable that the 50 foot test was a little stronger than the 20 foot test because of the randomness of the signal dropoff.
OK, removed the "extra-curricular" commentary. Here's the sanitized version:
There are only 4 wifi numbers given for the Prime, one of which (50') is clearly wrong. If you accept that the 50' number is wrong due to "randomness", then the rest of the numbers have no credibility, because they can also be affected by the same "randomness." Hence, the need to minimize testing variability and to publish your testing method.
Wifi tests are highly variable, and you would want to minimize variability by taking some steps, the first of which is to test multiple times, remove the outliers, then normalize the result. The second of which is to publish your methodology so the test can be replicated. The Anandtech piece did neither.
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Practical tests are best. Take two devices and compare when each becomes unstable and then stops working with wifi. For me, the Prime was about half as functional for signal compared to the Thrive, View and iPad.
Though good enough for some, not for others. Seems logical to fix the back panel on new production runs and maybe they would have, if the 300 and 700 were not releasing now/soon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I4ykg_fFGmc
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I4ykg_fFGmc
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Wow, I *really* cannot wait until this tablet is released - mainly so posts in this forum stay relevant i.e. for the TF201. I was really glad when the TF300 was released and we got rid of all of those posts.
Hey, here's an idea: why don't all you people who are wanting to talk about the TF700 start posting in the TF300 forum or something? They are the newer tablets after all
Isn't it basically the same device with a different backplate and a higher res screen?
Some of those "reasons" are flat out wrong.
It is important to note that the video compares the Infinity to the iPad 3.
The video lists the plastic strip on the back of the Infinity as a reason why the Infinity will be better than the iPad. However the iPad already uses this technique to alleviate problems with WiFi/3/4G/GPS by placing the antennae behind the plastic Apple logo.
It says the Infinity is cheaper than the iPad 3. We don't know the official pricing for the Infinity yet, but all indications seem to be that it will be more expensive than the Prime which is currently priced the same as the base iPad 3.
The video lists Gorilla Glass 2 as a benefit for the Infinity. And while GG2 is good, the new iPad also uses this material on its display.
Less reflective screen is given as a pro for the Infinity, and I am sure all of us Prime users know the screen is plenty reflective, at least as reflective as the new iPad.
Faster charging? Really?
I am all for articles and videos that honestly compare the pros and cons of two devices, but some of the "reasons" in this video are purely fictional.
Plus it is full of misspelled words and set to the most annoying music EVER.
Please use the existing threads for the TF700.
The ASUS Transformer Pad Infinity Thread
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