What you guys think? Did Google just ...... all the carrier's?
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What you guys think? Did Google just ...... all the carrier's?
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Not really. People will still need data plans. At most, Google might be snatching the small percentage of people who don't mind paying more for an unlocked device rather than the majority who tend to buy subsidized devices on contract.
Well If you go to a carrier with a phone that is yours outright. They cannot make you sign up for a data plan.
If you brought an unlocked Iphone to Tmobile, they have no reason to charge you for a monthly data plan..
However if you decide to use it with out a plan the price would be costly..
but you can just use Wifi..
that is how I had my Iphone working a few years ago on the tmobile service..
I never had any issues.
You get a cheaper phone through them. how ever they make up the money in the data plan.
So Google did sorta screw the carriers..
Actually the customer gets screwed and the carriers benefit. If you buy a $200 phone, you pay $100 a month for a data plan. It's $100 a month because instead of paying full retail for the phone, you are paying a little bit of it each month via your plan. So roughly $10-$15 of your bill each month is covering the cost of the phone.
The problem with buying an unlocked phone from someone else, is that the carriers don't discount the price of the monthly plan for you. So you still pay $100 a month, but you paid $400 for the device instead of $200. So you've been screwed $200 basically.
Now from the carriers perspective, they love this. Instead of taking $10-15 a month to recoup what they lost on the phone, they charge you that money anyway and it's pure profit.
When the original iPhone was released it was unsubsidized and people laughed at the $600 price. But, for $20 a month you got unlimited data and texting. so yes you paid more upfront, but your bill was $20 a month less than a comparable subsidized phone. So over the course of 2 years it was a good deal.
Unfortunately, I don't know of any carriers that will discount the monthly plan when you bring your own phone.
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Actually the customer gets screwed and the carriers benefit. If you buy a $200 phone, you pay $100 a month for a data plan. It's $100 a month because instead of paying full retail for the phone, you are paying a little bit of it each month via your plan. So roughly $10-$15 of your bill each month is covering the cost of the phone.
The problem with buying an unlocked phone from someone else, is that the carriers don't discount the price of the monthly plan for you. So you still pay $100 a month, but you paid $400 for the device instead of $200. So you've been screwed $200 basically.
Now from the carriers perspective, they love this. Instead of taking $10-15 a month to recoup what they lost on the phone, they charge you that money anyway and it's pure profit.
When the original iPhone was released it was unsubsidized and people laughed at the $600 price. But, for $20 a month you got unlimited data and texting. so yes you paid more upfront, but your bill was $20 a month less than a comparable subsidized phone. So over the course of 2 years it was a good deal.
Unfortunately, I don't know of any carriers that will discount the monthly plan when you bring your own phone.[
Or the customers could just be smart and get a monthly 4g without a contract...(T-mobile)
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Actually the customer gets screwed and the carriers benefit. If you buy a $200 phone, you pay $100 a month for a data plan. It's $100 a month because instead of paying full retail for the phone, you are paying a little bit of it each month via your plan. So roughly $10-$15 of your bill each month is covering the cost of the phone.
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Realy?! My data plan is $30/month 6gigs regardless of the phone I use. If I get a new phone from them ,on say a 3 yr contract, I don't have to get a new plan. How does what you say make any sense?
If i was to change carriers (why would you unless you are cconstantly moving?) every time I got a new phone and was always getting a new contract to reduce the purchase price of the phone, then yes, the price of the plan would probably be higher to subsidise the cost of the phone.
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Actually the customer gets screwed and the carriers benefit. If you buy a $200 phone, you pay $100 a month for a data plan. It's $100 a month because instead of paying full retail for the phone, you are paying a little bit of it each month via your plan. So roughly $10-$15 of your bill each month is covering the cost of the phone.
The problem with buying an unlocked phone from someone else, is that the carriers don't discount the price of the monthly plan for you. So you still pay $100 a month, but you paid $400 for the device instead of $200. So you've been screwed $200 basically.
Now from the carriers perspective, they love this. Instead of taking $10-15 a month to recoup what they lost on the phone, they charge you that money anyway and it's pure profit.
When the original iPhone was released it was unsubsidized and people laughed at the $600 price. But, for $20 a month you got unlimited data and texting. so yes you paid more upfront, but your bill was $20 a month less than a comparable subsidized phone. So over the course of 2 years it was a good deal.
Unfortunately, I don't know of any carriers that will discount the monthly plan when you bring your own phone.[
Or the customers could just be smart and get a monthly 4g without a contract...(T-mobile)
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You're missing the point. The monthly 4G plans are the same price as the contract plans, at least last time I checked. I looked at buying the international Galaxy Nexus when it first came out and putting it on T-Mobile and that is what I discovered.
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Realy?! My data plan is $30/month 6gigs regardless of the phone I use. If I get a new phone from them ,on say a 3 yr contract, I don't have to get a new plan. How does what you say make any sense?
If i was to change carriers (why would you unless you are cconstantly moving?) every time I got a new phone and was always getting a new contract to reduce the purchase price of the phone, then yes, the price of the plan would probably be higher to subsidise the cost of the phone.
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You're misunderstanding what I said. You pay right now $30/month for your data plan (in my example I chose $100 to represent minutes, data, and texts as an example). If you were to buy an unlocked Galaxy Nexus right now and put it on your plan, you'd still pay $30 a month, but you'd be out $400 for the phone. However, if you are due for an upgrade, you can could get a phone for $200 (subsidized) and still pay $30 a month.
In both cases you are paying $30 a month, but in the former you are paying more for your phone. The only advantage to buying the unlocked phones is not being stuck in your contract if you hate the service.
But my point was that US carriers base their monthly rates on the fact that they have subsidized your phone. When you bring your own non-subsidized phone, they don't discount the phone accordingly. So you end up paying more and they ending up making more money.
Doesn't T-Mobile have lower monthly plans when you use your own phone or buy one at full price?
Most people would want a data plan on their smart phone. So its cheaper to get it on contract since they require smartphones to have a data plan regardless of where you bought it. Data plans are not cheaper if you brought your own, its the same. The only good thing about buying a phone off contract is you can jump to another carrier without ETF. IMO, the only.phones I would buy off contracts would be unlocked international ones.
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Doesn't T-Mobile have lower monthly plans when you use your own phone or buy one at full price?
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Not when I last checked.
http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Packages/ValuePackages.aspx
I didn't read up on it, I'm going by the first few sentences at the top. I have a few friends that use this plan.
Since this phone is not carrier specific, does that mean you can use it with AT&T using the $15 unlimited data plan?
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http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/Packages/ValuePackages.aspx
I didn't read up on it, I'm going by the first few sentences at the top. I have a few friends that use this plan.
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That must be new, when I looked into it a few months back it was not an option. Or else I had an uninformed sales rep at the time.
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Since this phone is not carrier specific, does that mean you can use it with AT&T using the $15 unlimited data plan?
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I'm not aware of that plan, where do you see it?
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That must be new, when I looked into it a few months back it was not an option. Or else I had an uninformed sales rep at the time.
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I'm not aware of that plan, where do you see it?
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I am referring to the unlimited data plan for "non-smartphone" from AT&T. As long as you are using a phone that's not sold by AT&T then they won't recognize IMEI and treat it as "non-smartphone".
For the samsung galaxy, AT&T has its own branded one and there is also a "world" version which also supports AT&T 3g band but AT&T don't recognize it. I assume the this is the same with this phone sold directly by google?
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What you guys think? Did Google just ...... all the carrier's?
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GNexus doesn't do LTE does it?
jpg71 said:
GNexus doesn't do LTE does it?
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The GSM version does not.
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Will this make us eligible to terminate our contract without an ETF and go month to month? I would definitely be interested in re-signing a new contract for another phone.
They did this back in 2008 to the same fee and it was possible to cancel. Actually getting to Verizon to do it is a different story.
http://consumerist.com/2008/04/esca...-based-on-administrative-charge-increase.html
Well my question more specifically is...can I basically end my 2 year contractual commitment and go month to month due to this change? Or do I have to cancel completely and move to another carrier?
I have no desire to break my contract but I wouldn't mind getting them to offer me some freebies to not do it.
On the other hand, if I got out of the contract and something happened to my phone I could get a new one at a reasonable price so it could be my insurance. Hmmm...
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I have no desire to break my contract but I wouldn't mind getting them to offer me some freebies to not do it.
On the other hand, if I got out of the contract and something happened to my phone I could get a new one at a reasonable price so it could be my insurance. Hmmm...
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That's exactly what I'm interested in. I'm wondering if it will basically let me get a new phone at a subsidized price anytime I want since I'm off contract. Essentially an upgrade available immediately for me.
You would probably lose your unlimited data and get on the 2/4Gb plan.... by having to start a new month to month contract.
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That's exactly what I'm interested in. I'm wondering if it will basically let me get a new phone at a subsidized price anytime I want since I'm off contract. Essentially an upgrade available immediately for me.
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Month-to-month customers rarely get discounted devices. Generally you will have to pay full price for a new phone. It wouldn't be worth it. And I agree that you would lose your unlimited data that way. On the other hand, if you break your contract, you could possibly come back in a week or so and sign up for a new one to get a discounted phone.
WasabiWa83 said:
Month-to-month customers rarely get discounted devices. Generally you will have to pay full price for a new phone. It wouldn't be worth it. And I agree that you would lose your unlimited data that way. On the other hand, if you break your contract, you could possibly come back in a week or so and sign up for a new one to get a discounted phone.
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That's exactly what I meant. Stay month-to-month until a new phone comes out and resign a 2 year for a fully subsidized line.
If you break contract you are at the will of Verzion. If they decide they want to raise your price, reduce your data, etc, they can do it. The only thing keeping you in the plan you have now is the fact they have to honor their end of the deal too.
I will try this tonight. I have a line that I keep suspended, so this would be a great out for me.
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You would probably lose your unlimited data and get on the 2/4Gb plan.... by having to start a new month to month contract.
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And there it is who would want to be on a more expensive data plan.
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WasabiWa83 said:
Month-to-month customers rarely get discounted devices. Generally you will have to pay full price for a new phone. It wouldn't be worth it. And I agree that you would lose your unlimited data that way. On the other hand, if you break your contract, you could possibly come back in a week or so and sign up for a new one to get a discounted phone.
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Which is only a slight discount from buying it outright in the beginning.
VZW charges $299 for these devices with a $350 ETF that drops $10 a month. Same $649 either way - you're just paying for your freedom in advance.
Superguy said:
Which is only a slight discount from buying it outright in the beginning.
VZW charges $299 for these devices with a $350 ETF that drops $10 a month. Same $649 either way - you're just paying for your freedom in advance.
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But we're talking about getting to break the contract without the ETF and we already have a phone. So I paid 1 penny for my phone and am on a 2 year contract. If I got out of contract and went month to month without the ETF and lose my phone then it will only cost me $150 to get a new phone with a new contract at Amazon or Wirefly. I don't know why people pay more and buy at Verizon.
The issue would be what they would charge you for a plan month to month - or if they even offer that option, they might just say see ya - and if you keep unlimited data if you already have it.
Regardless of who you buy your phone from, in the end we'll all be dealing with Verizon in the end. The .01 Rezound was a deal for new customers only/new lines only I believe. I'm not going to buy from wirefly or any of those retailers. I don't think Costco reduces the price of the phone too much when it first comes out. I do know they generally offer nice bundles for pretty much the same price though. With my company I do get more $ off my devices ranging from $50 - $100. Not sure if other places can apply that discount or not. Imo I don't see what the big deal is from such a minuscule bump in price. When we signed up with Verizon we all knew we were going to pay the highest rates already to begin with. Slight price increase with the 4-5 years I've been with them, I frankly could care less. You pay what you get for imo. If you people want to terminate and sign back up to get a subsidized phone you can try. I'm pretty sure they have some policy or regulation in place that will prevent such scenario. Well! Good luck to those that decide to go down this path.
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But we're talking about getting to break the contract without the ETF and we already have a phone. So I paid 1 penny for my phone and am on a 2 year contract. If I got out of contract and went month to month without the ETF and lose my phone then it will only cost me $150 to get a new phone with a new contract at Amazon or Wirefly. I don't know why people pay more and buy at Verizon.
The issue would be what they would charge you for a plan month to month - or if they even offer that option, they might just say see ya - and if you keep unlimited data if you already have it.
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since you haven't had your rezound for 6 months, amazon would charge you their ETF. When they don't get their monthly commision for your line, they will come after you.
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since you haven't had your rezound for 6 months, amazon would charge you their ETF. When they don't get their monthly commision for your line, they will come after you.
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Not true. I work at Best Buy mobile. We get payed by Verizon as long as they sign there contract and don't return and cancel with in 14 days. I assume this is the same at Verizon.
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Regardless of who you buy your phone from, in the end we'll all be dealing with Verizon in the end. The .01 Rezound was a deal for new customers only/new lines only I believe. I'm not going to buy from wirefly or any of those retailers. I don't think Costco reduces the price of the phone too much when it first comes out. I do know they generally offer nice bundles for pretty much the same price though. With my company I do get more $ off my devices ranging from $50 - $100. Not sure if other places can apply that discount or not. Imo I don't see what the big deal is from such a minuscule bump in price. When we signed up with Verizon we all knew we were going to pay the highest rates already to begin with. Slight price increase with the 4-5 years I've been with them, I frankly could care less. You pay what you get for imo. If you people want to terminate and sign back up to get a subsidized phone you can try. I'm pretty sure they have some policy or regulation in place that will prevent such scenario. Well! Good luck to those that decide to go down this path.
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Pretty sure the 1 penny deal was for any new contract, existing customers or new, but that's neither here nor there. I only brought up the price I paid cuz the poster I was responding to was adding up costs.
As to the additional costs, I could care less about pennies more per month, but if it creates a way to lose the 2 year commitment that would be cool since that would allow me to replace the phone for only $149 if something should happen to it. Most likely I won't do anything about it, I'll wait and see if anyone else reports back successfully. I've already had so much good luck getting this phone I may be pushing things. I got refunded $199.98 from Amazon when it went on sale, ordered it with the mhs to get the Amazon $100 gift card for which I found no fine print stating I had to keep it for any length of time, then found the unlimited data plan trick so bumped up my mhs to unlimited to get that. I really needed a new phone too so I made out like a bandit! Oh, and moms got me a 64gb card for xmas (she actually thought it was a boring gift, lol). Now I just have to get brave enough to root.
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since you haven't had your rezound for 6 months, amazon would charge you their ETF. When they don't get their monthly commision for your line, they will come after you.
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I thought about that, but if Verizon is the one breaking the terms perhaps there's an out and they would be held responsible. However, I suppose they would just subsidize that pennies per month cost to keep the contract valid if it came to that.
Hi everyone,
I bought the Note before 5 days from AT&T but I have question need their answers.
Q1/ If I get the phone without contract, will the internet work or not? (3G or 4G or both?)
Q2/ If yes, can I break my contract and take back some of my money? (the price with contract is $800 and without contract is $600 or $700, so I may get back $100-$200)
Q/ How much the warranty for 1 year?
Thank you
What?
Q1: if you mean you buy it, and you're not on AT&T at all, of coarse mobile data won't work...you won't have a service contract.... If you man just buying it out right, as am early upgrade while you're on AT&T, then yes it'll work. You'd most likely need to get an lte Sim card.
The price on contract, which means upgrading your phone and signing for a new contact, or a brand new customer is 300... Off contract, meaning no discount at all from AT&T is 700.
No you can't cancel your contract and return the phone for more than you paid for it. And in fact you will be charged an early termination fee for canceling the contact. So you'd lose money.
AT&T has been around the block more than a couple times.... You really think you could pull one over on them so easily?
Warranty is from Samsung, not AT&T and is included with the purchase of the device.
The reason people buy off contract is to not be locked into a provider. You can still have mobile data plan set up and pay on it each month, you're just not forced to pay them for 2 years and can cancel any time you wish.
If you don't have a mobile data plan through them your mobile data will not work.
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a.2mjed.a said:
Hi everyone,
I bought the Note before 5 days from AT&T but I have question need their answers.
Q1/ If I get the phone without contract, will the internet work or not? (3G or 4G or both?)
Q2/ If yes, can I break my contract and take back some of my money? (the price with contract is $800 and without contract is $600 or $700, so I may get back $100-$200)
Q/ How much the warranty for 1 year?
Thank you
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If you've had the phone longer than 3 days cannot break the contact without paying the $250-350 fee it costs to do so.
If you've had it less than 3 days, you can break the contract without charge but you will still have to pay the balance of the phone (if you paid the reduced price of $300)
If you're not on contract, you can still use AT&T 4G service.
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Thanks guys for answering my questions
my phone is in contract with them, and one of my friends told me go break your contract and get like $100 from them cuz the phone without contract is about $700 and with contract is $800, so if I break the contract they will give me back $100!!
Is that right?
and for the warranty, the seller told me to buy a warranty but I told him I don't need it, and there were no warranty in the bx by Samsung! How can I get a warranty?
I guess thats all what i have
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If you've had the phone longer than 3 days cannot break the contact without paying the $250-350 fee it costs to do so.
If you've had it less than 3 days, you can break the contract without charge but you will still have to pay the balance of the phone (if you paid the reduced price of $300)
If you're not on contract, you can still use AT&T 4G service.
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Incorrect. It is 30 days to break the contract without the $325 termination fee. The 3 days you may be thinking about is to not get charged the activation/upgrade fee
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Att.com shows pricing as 299.99 on contract, 649.99 off contract.
I decided to by one off contract for 475 shipped on eBay. I'm not up for early renewal until July and couldn't wait. I didn't want to "waste" my upgrade on a near 6 month old phone by that time.
You will not make any money off ATT, so don't try.
Without contract means no service unless you have existing service.
Btw, can I walk into the att store and just request an LTE sim? My current sim is only H+ enabled
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Btw, can I walk into the att store and just request an LTE sim? My current sim is only H+ enabled
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Yes, and you can keep the unlimited plan if you have it.
yesterday I canceled my contract and my phone (everything)
they gave me the phone and the screen protector price immediately to my depit card and they told me I'll recieve the deposit cost in my mail withen 4-6 weeks ! :/
Now I'm thinking between buying the same phone ($660 with 2 years warranty from SquareTradeus) or waiting for new phone!!
What do you think?!
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Yes, and you can keep the unlimited plan if you have it.
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As usual, its always a nightmare dealing with their customer service. It took nearly 45 minutes of the ATT store manager being on the phone with them...and they still couldn't change my account to LTE unlimited. They ended up hanging up and stating they would work on it and call me back...which was true.
But i truly wish i could blow up ATT customer service.
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erick161, as much as I agree with you, you might want to redact that last statement. threats online are taken even more seriously than in person from my experience.
OP, I think what you friend was trying to tell you is that you buy the phone on contract, you cancel the service and pay the termination fee and the cost of the phone and ETF was less than buying the phone at full price. Which was true in the beginning, but now the phone is cheaper and not really going to save/make you money.
If you already have AT&T then I'd say get the phone on contract or not. for the first time in almost 10 years I'm locked into a contract again, not too worried about it because i haven't left AT&T yet and don't plan to. if you aren't an AT&T customer, there's a company that resells AT&T network service for $45 a month unlimited everything, just no 4G or LTE. You could buy the phone and jump on that service.
Lastly if you didn't buy the phone for the size, the HTC One is coming out in the next few months, you might want to check that out, though if I recall for AT&T they're getting rid of the quad core because it isn't compatible with LTE, but that's what i recall and 100% ingrained in truth.
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You say the price with contract is $800. It's not, it's $300. So if you break contract, you will pay more for a phone, not less, but you can still get data if you are already with AT&T. Just go in, and add the phone to your line, and have them upgrade the sim. They charge like $36 for that now.
a.2mjed.a said:
Hi everyone,
I bought the Note before 5 days from AT&T but I have question need their answers.
Q1/ If I get the phone without contract, will the internet work or not? (3G or 4G or both?)
Q2/ If yes, can I break my contract and take back some of my money? (the price with contract is $800 and without contract is $600 or $700, so I may get back $100-$200)
Q/ How much the warranty for 1 year?
Thank you
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What model of Note is this? Sounds like one of the international ones to me. the AT&T one would not come with a HSPA+ only SIM I believe. If it is not an i717, then it probably has the Xenos(sp?) chipset, and not the Qualcomm one, and is NOT an LTE phone. Also, if it is an LTE phone, you may, or may not be in an area with LTE service.
erick161 said:
Att.com shows pricing as 299.99 on contract, 649.99 off contract.
I decided to by one off contract for 475 shipped on eBay. I'm not up for early renewal until July and couldn't wait. I didn't want to "waste" my upgrade on a near 6 month old phone by that time.
You will not make any money off ATT, so don't try.
Without contract means no service unless you have existing service.
Btw, can I walk into the att store and just request an LTE sim? My current sim is only H+ enabled
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my plan is $50 + $20 all unlimited but i am getting additional $20 for the equipment this all charges doesn't include taxes. is this how t-mobile roll right now?
ad78 said:
my plan is $50 + $20 all unlimited but i am getting additional $20 for the equipment this all charges doesn't include taxes. is this how t-mobile roll right now?
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Yep! There is no contract though.... you can cancel your plan anytime, but then you will be responsible for the remaining amount you own on your device.
Take care!
ad78 said:
my plan is $50 + $20 all unlimited but i am getting additional $20 for the equipment this all charges doesn't include taxes. is this how t-mobile roll right now?
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Yup. I think T-Mobile's no contract thing is overblown and exaggerated. You're saving money purely because their $50 unlimited plan is cheaper. Otherwise, everything else is still the same as say AT&T. I mean if you leave T-Mobile, you pay the remaining balance on the phone, which is practically the ETF fee if you were to leave AT&T. Your saving really comes from when you already own a phone and can sign up to T-Mobile w/o being forced to pay $30 extra for using a smartphone.
T-Mobiles new system is great if you have an old phone or dont mind paying 600 bucks out your pocket but at the same thing I dont see the savings if you buy a phone from them
say you get the iPhone, $199 plus $20 a month for 24 months, thats $680 bucks and on top of this, there is a mandatory $11 a month for insurance which you can only remove once you paid the phone off. So that iPhone just ended up costing you 944 bucks
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Yup. I think T-Mobile's no contract thing is overblown and exaggerated. You're saving money purely because their $50 unlimited plan is cheaper. Otherwise, everything else is still the same as say AT&T. I mean if you leave T-Mobile, you pay the remaining balance on the phone, which is practically the ETF fee if you were to leave AT&T. Your saving really comes from when you already own a phone and can sign up to T-Mobile w/o being forced to pay $30 extra for using a smartphone.
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Not really.. if you've actually looked at AT&T's prices to add on more data, its pretty ridiculous compared to 20 bucks for t-mobiles unlimited data
The really big savings comes when you have more than one phone. $30 for second phone and $10 each phone after. And you can add extra data just to the phones that need it.
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Is the mandatory insurance just for the iPhone? I have my note 2 financed and I don't have insurance.
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darkstarlotus said:
Not really.. if you've actually looked at AT&T's prices to add on more data, its pretty ridiculous compared to 20 bucks for t-mobiles unlimited data
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That's what I said. The savings come from T-Mobile's $50 plan being cheaper. The whole no contract savings thing is not really a savings. The ETF you pay from any other carriers is the same thing as you having to pay off the remaining balance on the equipment if you cancel.
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busab said:
Is the mandatory insurance just for the iPhone? I have my note 2 financed and I don't have insurance.
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I have not heard of mandatory insurance. That makes no sense. It's not like you're leasing the phone.
waynebradyson said:
That's what I said. The savings come from T-Mobile's $50 plan being cheaper. The whole no contract savings thing is not really a savings. The ETF you pay from any other carriers is the same thing as you having to pay off the remaining balance on the equipment if you cancel.
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I have not heard of mandatory insurance. That makes no sense. It's not like you're leasing the phone.
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Not mandatory at all, my wife got the s4 and paid $400 down..they told her she had to keep the insurance only for the first month and only pays like $8 or $10 at month for the phone, not sure which one because I would to look at the bill but is one of those 2 numbers
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Yup. I think T-Mobile's no contract thing is overblown and exaggerated. You're saving money purely because their $50 unlimited plan is cheaper. Otherwise, everything else is still the same as say AT&T. I mean if you leave T-Mobile, you pay the remaining balance on the phone, which is practically the ETF fee if you were to leave AT&T. Your saving really comes from when you already own a phone and can sign up to T-Mobile w/o being forced to pay $30 extra for using a smartphone.
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I disagree with you on that. Think about this, in T-Mobile after you decide to go a head and pay off the phone your phone bill goes down $20. In the rest of the carriers even after your 2 year contract have you ever seen you bill gone down? You will pay that phone 5 times for all that matters without them never telling you "your done".
I believe that T-Mobile has done something fair this time around. Paying your equipment independently from the plan enables them to offer better plans and more affordable prices because they are no longer in risk of chargeback's from contracts gone wrong.
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megabiteg said:
I disagree with you on that. Think about this, in T-Mobile after you decide to go a head and pay off the phone your phone bill goes down $20. In the rest of the carriers even after your 2 year contract have you ever seen you bill gone down? You will pay that phone 5 times for all that matters without them never telling you "your done".
I believe that T-Mobile has done something fair this time around. Paying your equipment independently from the plan enables them to offer better plans and more affordable prices because they are no longer in risk of chargeback's from contracts gone wrong.
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Tomato, tomatoes dude. It all boils down to T-Mobile's plan being cheaper as the reason why you're saving money.
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Tomato, tomatoes dude. It all boils down to T-Mobile's plan being cheaper as the reason why you're saving money.
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I guess we can all agree with that.
Not sure if anyone really cares or not but I just knocked $105 off my AT&T Family plan bill with their new Mobile Share Value Plans.
I'm not a sales agent for AT&T, I'm just letting my fellow XDA users know.
https://www.att.com/shop/wireless/data-plans.html#fbid=K-dU-76XrWB
This is a real deal if you have a large family plan like i do with 5 lines and all smartphones. I was able to lower my bill to $192 a month from $306 the previous month with one phone call. And even better we are getting 10gigs a month now vs the 6gigs i was on.
I know I'm going to take some heat for spamming the board but if one person saves some money I'll be happy
ok flame away
Not sure if its worth giving up an unlimited data plan for this plan.
Ya, I saw those plans, heck, it's even worth it for just 2 lines and 10Gig, $100+$15+$15=$130. I am paying 70 for my single line and only 2gig of data. I know, everyone will tell me to go to a prepay, but I HAVE to have the microcell so I am stuck.
lemonz23 said:
Not sure if its worth giving up an unlimited data plan for this plan.
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yeah .. unfortunately we lost are unlimited plans back in 2009 when we all got iPhone's
clsA said:
yeah .. unfortunately we lost are unlimited plans back in 2009 when we all got iPhone's
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Unl plans are caped at 3 GB... Then u get the slowest speed...
10 GB = $100 + 15 per device
15 GB = $130 + 15 per device
Completely worth it. Now if you do an upgrade after moving to the plan instead of paying 15 for that line you will pay 40... they are trying to cope somehow how T-Mobile works.
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I went ahead and jumped on this. I had to give up 1 unlimited (LTE) data plan, which was throttled after 5GBs anyway. I think it's worth it to save $90/month.
We went to the value plan. Only two lines, so no massive savings. Went to from 6 to 10 GB for $10 cheaper
I was under the impression that once you switched to one of these plans, you no longer would get subsidized phone upgrades. Correct? In other words, the next time you want to upgrade you basically are on the AT&T Next setup (full unsubsidized price of phone broken out over x payments)
chp said:
I was under the impression that once you switched to one of these plans, you no longer would get subsidized phone upgrades. Correct? In other words, the next time you want to upgrade you basically are on the AT&T Next setup (full unsubsidized price of phone broken out over x payments)
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This is correct. Also, if you have currently been in contract for 6 months, they will allow a switch to AT&T Next. I feel it will not be long before they completely go to this method, especially with T-Mobile and others doing much the same.
Ive held on to my 2 line unlimited everything plan for years, paying about $185 before taxes and fees. I think it makes sense to go for this new plan, which drops the price down to $150 while sharing 10gigs. i've only ever gone over 3gigs in a month two times.
codejunkie83 said:
This is correct. Also, if you have currently been in contract for 6 months, they will allow a switch to AT&T Next. I feel it will not be long before they completely go to this method, especially with T-Mobile and others doing much the same.
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Okay, so if that is the case, it seems like you will only save money if you do not intend to take advantage of subsidized upgrades in the future (assuming still available).
chp said:
Okay, so if that is the case, it seems like you will only save money if you do not intend to take advantage of subsidized upgrades in the future (assuming still available).
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From a purely monetary standpoint, yes - however, when you compare the data that you receive (10 GB vs 4/6GB), you are still saving money if you use that much data. But without taking advantage of the subsidized upgrades, you would most likely even out.
chp said:
I was under the impression that once you switched to one of these plans, you no longer would get subsidized phone upgrades. Correct? In other words, the next time you want to upgrade you basically are on the AT&T Next setup (full unsubsidized price of phone broken out over x payments)
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Do you remember where you heard this? It's the first I've heard about this aspect to the new plans, which means I may regret making the switch.
joshfalk said:
Do you remember where you heard this? It's the first I've heard about this aspect to the new plans, which means I may regret making the switch.
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My understanding from the AT&T rep (and my bill) is that each smartphone in the value plans are now $40 per month with a $25 monthly credit, so net $15.
If I upgrade using a Next plan, the $25 credit remains. (Next = a 0% interest loan to purchase the phone over 20 months.)
If I upgrade using a 2-year subsidy, the $25 credit is removed. (Making for a really expensive upgrade-- 24 * $25 + $200 up front = $800 for an iPhone 5S that I could purchase outright for $650.) Not that I'd purchase a 5S, but just an example of how an already overpriced phone just got even more expensive.
Basically, they really do not want people buying subsidized phones, and that's fine with me. I'd rather purchase the phone I want on my own timing and pay for it outright.
Up until the value plans it made sense to do 2-year upgrades because AT&T was already padding their rate plans with the subsidy cost, whether you upgraded or BYOP you paid for it.
Now, it makes more sense to just BYOP.
Yes you have to stay on the next plan, ability to get a new phone yearly or 18 months, to keep the $15/month. I also saved 50% on my phone bill.
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ronf1011 said:
Yes you have to stay on the next plan, ability to get a new phone yearly or 18 months, to keep the $15/month. I also saved 50% on my phone bill.
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This is good news, I was worried that when i upgraded with NEXT it would go from $15 to $40. I guess I should have read into it a little more, but yeah, my family is saving close to $100 since we switched to the value plan.
Love this plan. Switched to it immediately.
The Next program is basically a phone leasing program. So if you pay $30/month for Next18, that $540 is gone when you trade in for the new one. It would be cheaper buying the phone out right then sell it when you wanted to get a new one.
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The Next program is basically a phone leasing program. So if you pay $30/month for Next18, that $540 is gone when you trade in for the new one. It would be cheaper buying the phone out right then sell it when you wanted to get a new one.
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+1 and you are still dealing with the bloat. Going unlocked from here on out. These value plans are nice. Thanks @t-mobile! ? and AT&T for falling in line..
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Upgrades?
I changed to the shared plan two months ago, losing my useless unlimited plan. I moved 5 phones. Two of them were eligible for upgrades at the time, but I was holding them for when I really wanted them. I need one now. I went to the ATT website and checked upgrade-ability. The two phones seem like they have subsidized plans available to them. I can also do the Next plan for any of my phones for the same price. So I can pay zero interest for 20 months, have no plan commitment, and pay in full for my daughter's new iphone over 20 months, or I can pay $199 for the phone, a one-time $36 upgrade fee, and commit for another two years of my shared plan. There is no change to the basic rate.
Greetings All!
Okay, after some hesitation I'm planning to upgrade from my much-loved GS3 to the LG G3.
Currently I'm on the Everything Data 450 plan ($69.99) plus the smartphone fee ($10). I never use all my minutes, not even close, since all mobile to mobile and mobile to VOIP calls are included and free. I only talk to one person that I know of who still uses a traditional landline. My corporate discount saves me about $10 a month as it applies to the $69.99 portion of my bill.
Unlimited, My Way, is $50 for unlimited talk and text plus $30 for unlimited data. Just a penny more, but I have verified that my corporate discount would only apply to the $30 portion of the bill so I would be paying several dollars more a month.
Ergo, I'm planning on keeping my old plan. I see no advantage to switching. Am I missing out on something here?
Many thanks in advance.
Cheers, Henri
I had a similar experience a few days ago. Wanted to get my gf the G3 on the easy pay. I was told to use easy pay I would have to switch to the new plans. The salesman says "it costs the same". But me being a mathematician, lol, quickly figured it was going to cost me $275 before taxes, for 4 line and a tablet. Where my bill on traditional account is about $240 with taxes and fees.
I have 5 lines on the ED1500 plan and I get a 23% corp discount. I worked out I'd pay an extra $60 or so a month switching to the Framily plan even if I could get an extra 2 people to get me to the 7 member threshold for maximum discount. Framily is a crock compared to the old plans if you have more than 2 lines.
thunder1979 said:
I have 5 lines on the ED1500 plan and I get a 23% corp discount. I worked out I'd pay an extra $60 or so a month switching to the Framily plan even if I could get an extra 2 people to get me to the 7 member threshold for maximum discount. Framily is a crock compared to the old plans if you have more than 2 lines.
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Yep. I'm on the same plan. What company do u work for that gives you 23%? Best I can get us 10 for credit union members. ?
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Made the unfortunate mistake of signing up on framily and ez pay. Hasty decision as I wanted the phone and got talked into the plan under the guise that it was cheaper. Got home. Did the math and it was about 40-50 more per month compared to old plan. Spent 4 hours in best buy returning the phones and reversing the plan only to leave with no devices as my available upgrade was no longer available. Now back on an s3. Upgrade is now activated again, just need to go back and rebuy the phone. Looking forward to getting the g3 back. This s3 just doesn't cut it anymore.
They talked me into the framily plan its me and two others my bill is about the same. I wanted a new phone (g3) but it would cost like 100 a month. They said they could add people to my plan or what ever to lower my bill i waited one week now pay 69 a month for my line with unlimited and insurance. Its awesome just ask them to add people to your plan
fgcchevy said:
Yep. I'm on the same plan. What company do u work for that gives you 23%? Best I can get us 10 for credit union members. ��
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If you'll forgive my anonymity, a large, well known bank. Previously, I had the same discount through Nortel Networks but the company went bankrupt and no longer exists.
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GraphGPT said:
Made the unfortunate mistake of signing up on framily and ez pay. Hasty decision as I wanted the phone and got talked into the plan under the guise that it was cheaper. Got home. Did the math and it was about 40-50 more per month compared to old plan. Spent 4 hours in best buy returning the phones and reversing the plan only to leave with no devices as my available upgrade was no longer available. Now back on an s3. Upgrade is now activated again, just need to go back and rebuy the phone. Looking forward to getting the g3 back. This s3 just doesn't cut it anymore.
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Yeah, I just don't see the benefit. I have 5 lines. My brother pays me monthly and my sister direct deposits 1/2 the amount of her bill bi-weekly directly to my bank account so I really only pay for my S.O., my daughter and myself which ends up being $197 and change. Upgrading every year would be nice, but I finally have a phone where I don't think I'll need to do that. Also, Framily does away with free navigation. I knoe Google Maps is free, but I have not always had good experiences with it.
Happy to have the g3 back and all parts of original plan back in action!
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In my case... Let me let you know. I have the Framily Plan. In the group that the Store Sales Representative create for me are now 10 persons with my 5 lines. (He add to it other 5 unknown ppl) I only pay $25 bucks per line + taxes... I have 2 LG G3, 2 HTC M8 and 1 Nexus 5. My UPS Corporate 25% discount on the account only works when I buy accessories because all the lines just have 1GB of data. I don't see the fact of have unlimited when everyone here all day is connected to Wi-Fi in work or home so..
What I want to say is I HAVE NO EASY PAY installments... This is the trick.
I had an old plan, (all without contract since June) this week I renew all the contracts with new devices and then the Rep changed me to the new Framily plan.
I was supposed to be charged for $15 bucks until I can renovate or something like that on all the lines but the rep says for some reasons (maybe because changes were made at the same time) the system would not charge me. Now I have my phones without payment and are mines. You should try this.
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fgcchevy said:
Yep. I'm on the same plan. What company do u work for that gives you 23%? Best I can get us 10 for credit union members. ?
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I use UPS and get 23 or 25% can't remember.
Don't forget the biggest difference between the old plans and framily is that you no longer get subsidized devices.