I was at nfm today and saw the new tf 300 and tried it out. All I can say is I don't like it. Back plate is rough on the hands and GPS still does not work. Let GPS status go for 3 mins and nothing. Glad I an sticking with my prime
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I was at nfm today and saw the new tf 300 and tried it out. All I can say is I don't like it. Back plate is rough on the hands and GPS still does not work. Let GPS status go for 3 mins and nothing. Glad I an sticking with my prime
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First, I'm glad you're happy with your Prime. It's a great device. Enjoy it.
That said, according to all of the reviews and pretty much anyone who owns one, the GPS reception on the 300 is fantastic, especially compared to the Prime. It's rather difficult to truly judge the GPS capabilities of a device just from the quick, informal test you ran on a display unit inside a store. That's about as far from conclusive evidence of its GPS capabilities as claiming the same without ever having even touched one.
As for the feel of the device, that's all personal preference. I don't find the slightly raised ridges to be rough on the hands in the slightest. In fact, it's quite comfortable and helps with grip tremendously. Actually, I can't imagine someone describing the back as rough. It's not even close to fitting the definition of that word. Additionally, the more rounded edges of the 300 definitely make holding the device for extended periods much more comfortable for me than holding the Prime. The Prime always felt like it was cutting into my hand after awhile. I don't get that at all with the 300.
The Prime is a fantastic device, and there are several things it has over the 300 (display, weight, thinness, etc). But the 300 definitely has a leg up over the Prime on GPS (and WiFi as well for many), and the feel of the device in hand all comes down to personal preference.
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First, I'm glad you're happy with your Prime. It's a great device. Enjoy it.
That said, according to all of the reviews and pretty much anyone who owns one, the GPS reception on the 300 is fantastic, especially compared to the Prime. It's rather difficult to truly judge the GPS capabilities of a device just from the quick, informal test you ran on a display unit inside a store. That's about as far from conclusive evidence of its GPS capabilities as claiming the same without ever having even touched one.
As for the feel of the device, that's all personal preference. I don't find the slightly raised ridges to be rough on the hands in the slightest. In fact, it's quite comfortable and helps with grip tremendously. Actually, I can't imagine someone describing the back as rough. It's not even close to fitting the definition of that word. Additionally, the more rounded edges of the 300 definitely make holding the device for extended periods much more comfortable for me than holding the Prime. The Prime always felt like it was cutting into my hand after awhile. I don't get that at all with the 300.
The Prime is a fantastic device, and there are several things it has over the 300 (display, weight, thinness, etc). But the 300 definitely has a leg up over the Prime on GPS (and WiFi as well for many), and the feel of the device in hand all comes down to personal preference.
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I completely agree with you. It's very misleading when people open a new thread to give opinion on the device without properly testing it. Did OP test the GPS on other devices in the store, I highly doubt any other device will be able to lock on a satellite in an indoor environment, including the dedicated Garmin devices. The feel of the device is definitely a more personal choice, some people prefer the extra thickness and grip the plastic cover provides. The GPS/Wifi has been excellent on mine, not that it was horrible on the prime, but with plastic cover the signal simply travels through better.
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I completely agree with you. It's very misleading when people open a new thread to give opinion on the device without properly testing it. Did OP test the GPS on other devices in the store, I highly doubt any other device will be able to lock on a satellite in an indoor environment, including the dedicated Garmin devices. The feel of the device is definitely a more personal choice, some people prefer the extra thickness and grip the plastic cover provides. The GPS/Wifi has been excellent on mine, not that it was horrible on the prime, but with plastic cover the signal simply travels through better.
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I never just open threads without reason. I tested it with a galaxy tab, Sony s and the new Toshiba tablet. Forget what its called. Very nice by the way. But yeah they all has gps within 1 min. The tf300 never found 1 sat. That is all I am saying on this thread
I am in no way saying it is a bad device
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I never just open threads without reason. I tested it with a galaxy tab, Sony s and the new Toshiba tablet. Forget what its called. Very nice by the way. But yeah they all has gps within 1 min. The tf300 never found 1 sat. That is all I am saying on this thread
I am in no way saying it is a bad device
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I agree with this and your original post. I'll go down to NFM to take look myself, but I already know if its thicker, heavier, and the screen isn't as good you can keep it. If I need GPS I'll use my phone or gps tether. No way on earth I'm sticking that dongle thing on my prime, but then again the dongle was free so you get what you pay for. I got the prime partially because of the looks, feel, weight, and screen. Whatever tablet I get next will have to be better in all areas than the prime, I'll wait till I see the 300 but I doubt it's better.
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The Prime is a fantastic device, and there are several things it has over the 300 (display, weight, thinness, etc). But the 300 definitely has a leg up over the Prime on GPS (and WiFi as well for many), and the feel of the device in hand all comes down to personal preference.
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In 95% of cases, the Prime is the much better device. For people that dont use GPS its like 98% of cases
Also Tf300 screen is made of harden glass compared to the TF201 Gorilla Glass. I take my Prime with me everywhere I go. It's nice to see the screen in complete daylight with intense glare. If I can recall Primes have 600 nits compared to 350 nits on Tf300. The whole ergonomics deal with Tf300 is nice but my Moko slim case feels nice too and it even protects my investment. My wifi rocks just as good as my Galaxy tab 10.1 My TF201 internal GPS is weaker but can hold a lock while driving. Or just connect my dongle if need be. Love my Prime. To each his own right
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In 95% of cases, the Prime is the much better device. For people that dont use GPS its like 98% of cases
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Again, completely personal preference. I had the Prime and got rid of it. Now I have the TF300. I won't be getting rid of it. I definitely like it much better than the Prime as an overall device.
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I agree with this and your original post. I'll go down to NFM to take look myself, but I already know if its thicker, heavier, and the screen isn't as good you can keep it. If I need GPS I'll use my phone or gps tether. No way on earth I'm sticking that dongle thing on my prime, but then again the dongle was free so you get what you pay for. I got the prime partially because of the looks, feel, weight, and screen. Whatever tablet I get next will have to be better in all areas than the prime, I'll wait till I see the 300 but I doubt it's better.
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Again, completely personal preference. I had the Prime and got rid of it. Now I have the TF300. I won't be getting rid of it. I definitely like it much better than the Prime as an overall device.
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Some parts of it are personal preference, i agree. But some are just Facts. I based my statement on how often and how i use my Tablet. For example The display is better on the prime because of the IPS+. And I use the display alot Wifi on the other hand is only better in certain locations far away from the router. GPS yeah, no argument here but thats something I hardly ever use, thats why it only got a small %age in my statement
The look (aluminum/colored plastic) is personal preference. And all the other hardware stuff... Cpu clock, Gorilla Glass, speaker? etcetc are just better on the prime.
But i could see myself being happy with the TF300 as well but i already have a prime that works perfectly in all situations in which i need a tablet, so for me the TF300 is only superior in the 2% of my usage time where i need GPS. I'd never even think about exchanging it for a TF300^^
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Some parts of it are personal preference, i agree. But some are just Facts. I based my statement on how often and how i use my Tablet. For example The display is better on the prime because of the IPS+. And I use the display alot Wifi on the other hand is only better in certain locations far away from the router. GPS yeah, no argument here but thats something I hardly ever use, thats why it only got a small %age in my statement
The look (aluminum/colored plastic) is personal preference. And all the other hardware stuff... Cpu clock, Gorilla Glass, speaker? etcetc are just better on the prime.
But i could see myself being happy with the TF300 as well but i already have a prime that works perfectly in all situations in which i need a tablet, so for me the TF300 is only superior in the 2% of my usage time where i need GPS. I'd never even think about exchanging it for a TF300^^
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For me, the display isn't that big of a deal. Indoors, the displays are pretty comparable (unless you want retina burning brightness). Outside, it's not even a contest, but I don't use it outside. So the display argument again comes down to personal preference. Sure the Prime's display is better, but in general use, not much of a difference will be seen. CPU clock speed pretty much is a wash as well in every day use. The speaker on the Prime might be slightly better, but again, they're so similar that it would be tough for anyone to distinguish in a blind test.
I find the TF300 to be superior for my uses. I had incredibly spotting WiFi reception on my Prime, which in and of itself is pretty much a deal breaker. No such problems on the TF300. I actually use GPS fairly often, so that's a given on the TF300. The feel of the TF300 is much better in hand to me, particularly because of it being slightly thicker and having more rounded sides. I use the dock extensively, so using the Prime in a case to make the ergonomics more comfortable for long periods was frustrating since I had to constantly take it on and off. With the TF300, I don't have to worry about one.
So while I'll certainly agree that on paper the Prime is clearly ahead of the TF300, but in everyday use, I find the TF300 to be much more usable than the Prime was for me. And again, most of the reasons I listed why it is such come down to personal preference. You won't catch me knocking the Prime. It's fantastic. And I can certainly understand why people who own it wouldn't want to get rid of it for the TF300. But the TF300 just works for me in ways that the Prime didn't. The minor trade-offs in a few areas from the Prime have been more than worth it for improvements in daily use.
Posters like cloud5 & jjdevega make me feel good about my purchase. Prime is a great device, when you have a really good working one like we do..lol. I use my prime everyday. This is my computer as years ago(when first Ipad came out) I converted to using tablets for any and every computer function I needed. Now that I have the dock also, it adds a whole new dimension to prime and extends its already superior battery life. As far as how it feels, Prime feels great holding it. I'm 6'5, with big hands, so the whole prime cuts into people hands seem over exaggerated to me. like apple would say, "You holding it wrong" if it does..lol. Im still just as amazed with my device since the first day I got it. Everyone loves how thin and light it is. plus the differences in display compared to 300 isn't just prime being brighter. If you look at any tech site detailed breakdown of the 2 displays, Prime is clearly superior. With that said 300 still has a decent display. it not being gorilla glass will make it's display easier to break/scratch. so people better make sure to protect it. I haven't had a case or screen protector for my prime since day 1 and no scratches or cracks on the screen.
I can see why a few like the 300 over the prime. its because their experience with Prime wasn't a good one like mines. I bet if they had a prime like mines, or cloud5 or jjdevega, they wouldn't even want to downgrade to 300. It is a downgrade. Even Asus calls it this themselves. its the low end replacement to the OG Transformer. No disputing that.
I like having a device that's kind of exclusive. If i want to be a "me to" guy, I would've just got a new Ipad.
mods do need to go on and make a 300 section so we can get all these mofos up outta here..lol j/k..300 is the little brother to prime. its like little kids(300) running around playing. they need their own playground now so the grownups(Prime) can conduct business..lmfao
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We have NFM here in kansas. I'll be out that way today and I'll drop in and see if they have one.
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We have NFM here in kansas. I'll be out that way today and I'll drop in and see if they have one.
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Thats what I thought. Only 2 nfm's, it had to be one if them. I actually drove to Kansas city for worlds of fun... Small world lol
Never been to the nfm in Kansas though. Great store.
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Let GPS status go for 3 mins and nothing
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First GPS lock can take up to 12.5 minutes (internet connection could speed this up depending if AGPS was properly configured by manufacturer, which Asus often forgets to do it seems). Next locks will be much faster. 3 mins is too little to test GPS. The time is 12.5 because you need to get data about satellite positions from the satellites.
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First GPS lock can take up to 12.5 minutes (internet connection could speed this up depending if AGPS was properly configured by manufacturer, which Asus often forgets to do it seems). Next locks will be much faster. 3 mins is too little to test GPS. The time is 12.5 because you need to get data about satellite positions from the satellites.
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Is this normal I ask as I don't use GPS on a tablet but I just tried GPS tether with my evo and got an instant lock. I would think waiting almost 12 minutes would leave me very lost.
The NFM by me didn't either have the the 300 or have them on display.
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Posters like cloud5 & jjdevega make me feel good about my purchase. Prime is a great device, when you have a really good working one like we do..lol. I use my prime everyday. This is my computer as years ago(when first Ipad came out) I converted to using tablets for any and every computer function I needed. Now that I have the dock also, it adds a whole new dimension to prime and extends its already superior battery life. As far as how it feels, Prime feels great holding it. I'm 6'5, with big hands, so the whole prime cuts into people hands seem over exaggerated to me. like apple would say, "You holding it wrong" if it does..lol. Im still just as amazed with my device since the first day I got it. Everyone loves how thin and light it is. plus the differences in display compared to 300 isn't just prime being brighter. If you look at any tech site detailed breakdown of the 2 displays, Prime is clearly superior. With that said 300 still has a decent display. it not being gorilla glass will make it's display easier to break/scratch. so people better make sure to protect it. I haven't had a case or screen protector for my prime since day 1 and no scratches or cracks on the screen.
I can see why a few like the 300 over the prime. its because their experience with Prime wasn't a good one like mines. I bet if they had a prime like mines, or cloud5 or jjdevega, they wouldn't even want to downgrade to 300. It is a downgrade. Even Asus calls it this themselves. its the low end replacement to the OG Transformer. No disputing that.
I like having a device that's kind of exclusive. If i want to be a "me to" guy, I would've just got a new Ipad.
mods do need to go on and make a 300 section so we can get all these mofos up outta here..lol j/k..300 is the little brother to prime. its like little kids(300) running around playing. they need their own playground now so the grownups(Prime) can conduct business..lmfao
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I don't think you need other people to prove you are happy about your Prime... BTW: Are you going to buy the TF700 because that is the "big brother to the Prime!"
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I don't think you need other people to prove you are happy about your Prime... BTW: Are you going to buy the TF700 because that is the "big brother to the Prime!"
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It all depends. More than likely ill just keep my prime.
really, I don't know yet. ill cross That bridge once it comes.
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Is this normal I ask as I don't use GPS on a tablet but I just tried GPS tether with my evo and got an instant lock. I would think waiting almost 12 minutes would leave me very lost.
The NFM by me didn't either have the the 300 or have them on display.
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Well it appears this is a design flaw!
When they where designing it they should have used some plastic! Using all metal backing makes the signal weak as hell!
Even if they can fix this problem idk! It would still be really weak!
For an example if you look at the ipad there is plastic for the Apple logo behind this is the wifi anttena!
Hopefully the back really is plastic and they did not overlook that problem! And it's just imperfections in the antenna!
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I am pretty sure the Asus tech guys aren't totally dumb. I think they know about problems with WiFi and metal...
I guess the antenna is somewhere in the bezel. Anandtech (i think they were the ones) said that with their new unit wifi was okay, but it depends on the holding angle of the prime.
So it seems we DO have to take some comprises for having a full metal back. But I think I can life with that
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I am pretty sure the Asus tech guys aren't totally dumb. I think they know about problems with WiFi and metal...
I guess the antenna is somewhere in the bezel. Anandtech (i think they were the ones) said that with their new unit wifi was okay, but it depends on the holding angle of the prime.
So it seems we DO have to take some comprises for having a full metal back. But I think I can life with that
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Yeah but even still It's not a tablet unless you get great Internet signal!
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I am pretty sure the Asus tech guys aren't totally dumb. I think they know about problems with WiFi and metal...
I guess the antenna is somewhere in the bezel. Anandtech (i think they were the ones) said that with their new unit wifi was okay, but it depends on the holding angle of the prime.
So it seems we DO have to take some comprises for having a full metal back. But I think I can life with that
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Anandtech said the new unit was better, but not as good as the original Transformer in terms of WIFI.
Don't assume that ASUS is not capable of making such a stupid mistake. There have been lots of cases of top tier companies shipping out products with such design flaws, and I don't think ASUS is in the category of top tier company. I work in a fortune 500 company, and we get the first batch of a lot of laptops, and we test them before the workers get them. Sometimes I'm amazed at the lack of basic quality control when these devices first come out. It's like they ship out beta hardware.
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Anandtech said the new unit was better, but not as good as the original Transformer in terms of WIFI.
Don't assume that ASUS is not capable of making such a stupid mistake. There have been lots of cases of top tier companies shipping out products with such design flaws, and I don't think ASUS is in the category of top tier company. I work in a fortune 500 company, and we get the first batch of a lot of laptops, and we test them before the workers get them. Sometimes I'm amazed at the lack of basic quality control when these devices first come out. It's like they ship out beta hardware.
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There is not one doubt in my mind Asus wasn't aware that the WiFi was wearker than the TF101. However you have to realize unless the performance literally was unacceptable by whatever QC standards they have, they are able to pass the design, build the product, and ship it. Fact is only because a couple top tier reviewers recieved units that weren't up to the standards of the rest, they decided to handle the situation the way they did. In fact if they weren't aware of it, they probably would've let the stock stay as is, launch as normal, and say that "there are a small number of reported cases" as companies usually do.
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Anandtech said the new unit was better, but not as good as the original Transformer in terms of WIFI.
Don't assume that ASUS is not capable of making such a stupid mistake. There have been lots of cases of top tier companies shipping out products with such design flaws, and I don't think ASUS is in the category of top tier company. I work in a fortune 500 company, and we get the first batch of a lot of laptops, and we test them before the workers get them. Sometimes I'm amazed at the lack of basic quality control when these devices first come out. It's like they ship out beta hardware.
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This happened with Apple and the Iphone 4. The antenna was located in the bottom
right of the phone and signal was lost when you had your hand over it.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5178/an-update-on-transformer-prime-battery-life-wifi-issues
"Using Ookla's Speedtest.net web app I get a consistent 34 - 37Mbps on the original Eee Pad Transformer (our actual WiFi performance tests involve downloading a file from a local server, but Speedtest was a quick and easy way to verify the problem). My original Prime review sample averaged around 0.5Mbps, while the replacement Prime got around 10Mbps - all in the same test location. Fiddling around with location I could get the replacement Prime up to 16Mbps. My test area is riddled with challenging interference so I setup a separate test area in another room. Even after buying the same Netgear WNDR4500 wireless AP that ASUS verified 31Mbps+ operation on, I wasn't able to break 16Mbps.
I have four other APs covering my house, I turned all of the radios off as a last ditch effort. Boom - 36Mbps on the Prime.
The culprit appeared to be either my 3rd gen Time Capsule or 5th gen Airport Extreme, with those radios off and using the WNDR4500 I was able to get performance competitive to the original Transformer. Here's where things get interesting. The original Transformer was made out of plastic, through which RF travels quite nicely. The Prime's metal construction makes things a bit more finicky. Indeed this is exactly what I saw, where depending on tablet and AP orientation I'd see anywhere between 10Mbps and 36Mbps downstream (average speed tended to be in the 15 - 20Mbps range). "
I also think it's a mistake to assume that other reviewers would necessarily notice this problem. Other reviewers might not have tested WIFI performance at all.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/5178/an-update-on-transformer-prime-battery-life-wifi-issues
"Using Ookla's Speedtest.net web app I get a consistent 34 - 37Mbps on the original Eee Pad Transformer (our actual WiFi performance tests involve downloading a file from a local server, but Speedtest was a quick and easy way to verify the problem). My original Prime review sample averaged around 0.5Mbps, while the replacement Prime got around 10Mbps - all in the same test location. Fiddling around with location I could get the replacement Prime up to 16Mbps."
I also think it's a mistake to assume that other reviewers would necessarily notice this problem. Other reviewers might not have tested WIFI performance at all.
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No one is doubting the performance isn't up to par with the TF101. It's obvious it's not. Again Asus was well aware and thought it would slip by well because of something called everyday use. If it wasn't noticed by other reviewers it's for a reason, they tested it under normal use circumstances and found it to be quite acceptible. I am in no way making excuses for Asus or the design but it is what it is. Anandtech however doesn't test like that and which is why they were able to find such a flaw. It's all about a matter of usage.
I'm about to dump my pre-order. This whole release date debacle pissed me off, and now if there is possible WIFI issues...it might be a bad investment. I've been asking myself if I really need a tablet anyhow, and the answer is probably not.
please dump it.. saves it for the people who want it.
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I'm about to dump my pre-order. This whole release date debacle pissed me off, and now if there is possible WIFI issues...it might be a bad investment. I've been asking myself if I really need a tablet anyhow, and the answer is probably not.
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I'm glad I didn't do the pre-order thing. I don't want to be first in line for this. I'll wait until it is generally available, and there has been time for reviews of retail units. Let other people be on the bleeding edge
I have not been close to cancelling my preorder up to this point but if this wifi issue is confirmed I may be tempted to buy the original TF. Especially considering they keep showing OOS open-box Transformers for $185 on a particular website we all know and love. If I see one in stock I think I will go that route until this issue is worked out.
I wish some more reviewers would do in-depth testing on this issue.
I hope they don't make it thicker with a redesign! It seems line it already was redesigned once aka the one poorly placed speaker...
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I hope they don't make it thicker with a redesign! It seems line it already was redesigned once aka the one poorly placed speaker...
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Haven't you ever seen a proper Wifi antenna? They at least as thick as your finger.
So they NEED to make it a lot thicker.
Otherwise we'll never get a proper Wifi signal.
You may better get a different device.
I am really not sure if you are trolling... But be assured, I AM.
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Haven't you ever seen a proper Wifi antenna? They at least as thick as your finger.
So they NEED to make it a lot thicker.
Otherwise we'll never get a proper Wifi signal.
You may better get a different device.
I am really not sure if you are trolling... But be assured, I AM.
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Well I'm just saying maybe they should have put a real wifi antenna in the dock also...
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I am pretty sure the Asus tech guys aren't totally dumb. I think they know about problems with WiFi and metal...
I guess the antenna is somewhere in the bezel. Anandtech (i think they were the ones) said that with their new unit wifi was okay, but it depends on the holding angle of the prime.
So it seems we DO have to take some comprises for having a full metal back. But I think I can life with that
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They were dumb enough to test the Wifi after they've mass produced the thing instead of before. What makes you think otherwise?
Folks, let's tell the whole story here. What Anandtech also said:
I have four other APs covering my house, I turned all of the radios off as a last ditch effort. Boom - 36Mbps on the Prime.
The culprit appeared to be either my 3rd gen Time Capsule or 5th gen Airport Extreme, with those radios off and using the WNDR4500 I was able to get performance competitive to the original Transformer. Here's where things get interesting. The original Transformer was made out of plastic, through which RF travels quite nicely. The Prime's metal construction makes things a bit more finicky. Indeed this is exactly what I saw, where depending on tablet and AP orientation I'd see anywhere between 10Mbps and 36Mbps downstream (average speed tended to be in the 15 - 20Mbps range). Apple gets around this issue in the iPad by putting the WiFi antenna behind the plastic Apple logo, however it's not entirely clear to me where the WiFi antenna is on the Prime (I have this policy about not taking things apart until I'm done testing them).
As to why performance was lower with the Apple APs active, I'm not entirely sure. Chasing down RF interference issues can be a severe undertaking. One thing is for sure, the Prime is going to be far more finicky than its predecessor when it comes to reaching peak speeds over WiFi.
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I know that the folks at Anandtech are smart people, but it seems like the reviewer conflated some things here. I don't know how much testing he did AFTER turning off the Apple AP's, but it sure seems to me like the fluctuating results he's talking about were from before he did so. Perhaps the Prime is fine in general but just had an interference issue with the Apple APs that actually resolved itself just fine once they were turned off.
Why would there be this kind of interference with the Apple APs? I have no idea, except that it would point to something in software and not hardware. But until we have someone who does a really good job of detailing precisely where a non-defective Prime has wifi issues, I'm personally writing this off to something being broken in his first unit.
True, he did say he could get it to 36Mbps "depending on tablet and AP orientation I'd see anywhere between 10Mbps and 36Mbps downstream (average speed tended to be in the 15 - 20Mbps range)"
This, along with:
ASUS feels the WiFi range does not currently meet their standards and has delayed all shipments worldwide. At the moment there is no ETA and noinformation on available quantities on the first batch.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=20155626
As a comparison, AnandTech shows the Kindle Fire's WiFi maxes at 15.2, and I couldn't get close to that in my own tests.
i posted in multiple threads my concerns about the wifi issue when the anandtech and cnet reviews came out. i've canceled my preorder at jr but will keep my adorama and bestbuy preorders for now though. all hype i had for this thing is completely gone. now i'm like whatever.
If Anandtech was able to get full WIFI speed turning off other AP's than that points more to an interoperability issue that should be correctable through firmware/driver rather than antenna/hardware design.
Received my prime today and so happy to report that the tablet have
No light bleeds even in complete darkness
No poor wifi signal
No GPS issues , connects offline in 5min.
No yellow screen color
No lcd screen separation
IT'S JUST PERFECT!
Should i return it ? This is not normal it should have a defect for it to become a full pledge prime.
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Received my prime today and so happy to report that the tablet have
No light bleeds even in complete darkness
No poor wifi signal
No GPS issues , connects offline in 5min.
No yellow screen color
No lcd screen separation
IT'S JUST PERFECT!
Should i return it ? This is not normal it should have a defect for it to become a full pledge prime.
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Posts like this are like putting a "kick me" sign on your back...
Mine is fine too think I had light bleeding when it first setup but there's none now
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now we plan a robbery, and the tablet will be ours
Mine's perfect. No light bleed or pixel issues. No issues wifi or gps. Absolutely love the new design. It looks rich and feels like your holding something very solid. I think it feels much thinner and a little lighter. Gonna be a late night tonight.
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Posts like this are like putting a "kick me" sign on your back...
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shut it, this is what people are complaining about on these forums. theres no positive posts about the primes. If there was more people willing to post that they have good primes people wouldn't be walking away from the prime.
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shut it, this is what people are complaining about on these forums. theres no positive posts about the primes. If there was more people willing to post that they have good primes people wouldn't be walking away from the prime.
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When eVer I see a post showing doubt on the prime, I usually try to interject my positive experience with it. this is a great device. my Ipad just sits now. been using this device nonstop since I got it on 12/22
The only thing that bugs me about mine is that transferring files thru the usb cable is really slowbor gives errors. I have to use swiftp instead. Aside from that everything is great
cyi1 said:
The only thing that bugs me about mine is that transferring files thru the usb cable is really slowbor gives errors. I have to use swiftp instead. Aside from that everything is great
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I can transfer large files between my phone and computer by USB, I don't see why the prime should be any different. could it be a defect, or maybe you don't have your settings right?
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When eVer I see a post showing doubt on the prime, I usually try to interject my positive experience with it. this is a great device. my Ipad just sits now. been using this device nonstop since I got it on 12/22
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except you have had it one more day then me
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shut it
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If you re-read what I said, it's not negative. The same could and does apply when someone posts an all negative thread. Taking any absolute position on a public forum is the equivelant of "kick me."
Transformer Prime
Have had no problem with mine. Everything works. Happy, Happy! Because of it being a tablet some of my phone apps don't work but I have found new ones. Have been transferring things between desktop, laptop and Transformer using ES File Explorer and have not needed to use usb. Speed of transfer has been good. Only problem has been some of the older apps have not been able to find the MicroSD card. Move the data to the internal storage and everything works.
Like it, still playing with it.
Mine seems to be perfect, as well.
I am in NH
Ordered 12/23 Best Buy
Received 12/28 (was shipped from Fresno, CA)
I am just wondering if it is possible to discern whether the good ones/bad ones where concentrated geographically? Or perhaps by retailer?
Mine also works perfectly.one tiny spot of light bleed but can only see it in the dark. No dead or stuck pixels. GPS locks with and without wifi, even though I doubt I will use it at any point I wanted to see if it worked. Wifi is strong for normal usage though I haven't tested it with any apps it does have better range than my Droid charge does. No seperating glass issues or yellow colors.
I love it so far!
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I have issues with the stock browser and WiFi/GPS, but everything else is perfect.
Gotta throw mine into the "working great" bin. I got it Dec. 22 in El Paso, Texas. Gamestop. GS employees were generally cool and helpful. I got it before I left back to Central America on the December 29 so while annoyed with the release of the Prime it wasn't more than that.
No light bleed or Wi-Fi issues. Same reception as iPad (I haven't tried ipad2) . Just used it in several airports while on my way back home. Was really please with its performance on that trip, which had lots if delays but battery handled it without problem.
This is my first tablet so I'm discovering new things every day.
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When eVer I see a post showing doubt on the prime, I usually try to interject my positive experience with it. this is a great device. my Ipad just sits now. been using this device nonstop since I got it on 12/22
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Same date of acquisition, same experience. I am burning some vacation time, and originally thought I was having less than optional battery life, then realized I was just playing too much with it. Working great here.
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I was amazed to find that mine was perfect out of the box as well. For a first tablet this is certainly setting the bar high for me.
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Same date of acquisition, same experience. I am burning some vacation time, and originally thought I was having less than optional battery life, then realized I was just playing too much with it. Working great here.
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I know what you mean. for the people enjoying the device, we are using it like crazy. probably taxing the system more than reviewers did on battery tests..lmao. either way, even with nonstop heavy use, this gets great battery life. still amazed at how thin the Prime is and how great the display looks.
I need a case badly for this though. anyone know if any brick n mortar stores like Best Buy or Gamestop got any accessories or cases in yet? I really hope targus makes a case. I have the targas Truss case for my Ipad and it provides maximum protection, high quality leather, and great functionality options.
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I know what you mean. for the people enjoying the device, we are using it like crazy. probably taxing the system more than reviewers did on battery tests..lmao. either way, even with nonstop heavy use, this gets great battery life. still amazed at how thin the Prime is and how great the display looks.
I need a case badly for this though. anyone know if any brick n mortar stores like Best Buy or Gamestop got any accessories or cases in yet? I really hope targus makes a case. I have the targas Truss case for my Ipad and it provides maximum protection, high quality leather, and great functionality options.
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im going to look for a case this weekend so ill keep you updated on which one i pick!
as for the device i am in love with it, its perfect best battery life better than i expected and it functions like a beast and is so powerful and gaming on this thing is insane i have not put it down
With all the complaints in this forum, you'd think this was a bad device.
I'll tell you, over in the tf101 forum there was no where near as many complaints and the tf101 wasn't the perfect device either.
The prime is an improvement in alot of ways.
The tf101 had backlight bleeds, I went through 3 of them before I settled.
The tf101 was sluggish, no one here can fully respect the power of the tegra 3 processor without experiencing the tegra 2. The boot time was like 4 minutes, it was slow in alot of areas that the prime isn't.
It had to use honeycomb up until 2 weeks ago, that's about a year - prime owners got it asap with a slew of support from asus for the gps/wifi issues.
The tf101 had keyboard dock issues, alot of the docks had to be sent back in.
It was fat and plastic. It was brown. It collected dust under it's camera.
It wasn't perfect.
But what device is? Galaxy tabs are diet vanilla, nothing really special or innovative about them. The follow the ipad status quo. Toshiba tabs are jokes on battery life. Acers are humongous. Ipads use proprietary apple garbage and are extremely limited by their OEM.
When I got my prime I would grip this thing tightly and say to myself "I own a ****ing transformer prime".
I waited for this thing for months through using my tf101, when everyone was hoping Q4 release meant October, but october stretched on to november, and then december when it finally came out.
But this exceptional tablet gets overshadowed by a couple of it's faults, rather than how great it's advantages are.
We own the world's first quad core tablet, it's thin, it's beautiful, it get's ridiculous battery life with it's incredibly well designed keyboard dock. We have usb connectivity, micro sd, full sized sd, hdmi, etc. Some devices don't have any of those, let alone all of them like we do.
Sure something better will come. Maybe you want a more expensive Ipad 3 with a redundant screen resolution, slower cpu, thicker design to compensate for it's thirst of excessive battery life, and lack of expansion. It's not perfect and the devices after it won't be either...
It's time we be happy prime owners. Asus did design a good device, and they don't receive credit where credit is due. I'm proud to own this tablet.
@OP: The Church of Primetology seeks chaplain
!Hail to you, oh holy Prime, father of connection lacking communication specialists!
Forgive me that I don't see your creators wisdom as he provided you also with that microsd slot so this shall be your door to the world.
Just let your green light shine and don't punch the xcsd out again because I will not find it in the sewage where I would be looking for my missing GPS if you hadn't already disappeared somewhere on a shelf of the ASUS repdep. Thank you for having enlighten my life longer than a week. Which is exceptional or was it the rule?
Give me a thank or another tablet will you.
I endorse the OP post. I ran out of thanks. good viewpoint/angle on the situation. preach on my brother thrash all those who committed sins against the prime. they need redemption NOW! lol
lolololololololol
Agree w the OP. I ranted about its short comings when I first got it, but after using it for a few weeks, I love it. It really is a beautiful device and fast. Its my first tab so maybe my expectations were too high at first.
BTW, what do you mean by redundant screen?
This a great device once you get it to work without crash. Everything's stable for me on .15 nd the browsing is super fast thanks to OC 1.6ghz ... its perfect for what I do
Honestly looking at benchmark (I'm at 13162) scores its the best android device out now by far
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I really like it. I'm not an Asus fanboy, in fact I try as hard as possible to not be a fanboy of anything.
That being said, there were and are shortcomings. But over time the bugs will get ironed out, CM9 and other ROM makers will do some wonders.
I don't know, when I use the Prime (especially with the new floaty browser!) I feel more like I'm using a computer, not an appliance. You know, file management is in my hands, I can f*** around with the OS, break it if I want. Whenever I use my friends' or coworkers' iDevices they just feel like appliances with a shallow OS.
But I'm not trying to sell anyone on it. Some people like it, some people don't. I like seams, I like tinkering. I learn more from it. All those folks complaining about their wifi, gps, screen issues; I guarantee you they have learned MUCH more about those aspects of mobile computing because of those faults.
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I endorse the OP post. I ran out of thanks. good viewpoint/angle on the situation. preach on my brother thrash all those who committed sins against the prime. they need redemption NOW! lol
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lol how do you run out of thanks?
nhshah7 said:
lol how do you run out of thanks?
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the thanks button underneath a post. you only have 8 per day.
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BTW, what do you mean by redundant screen?
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OP probably means retina display shows everything so cristallclear now you can look at it through a microscope...
Give me a thank or another tablet will you.
this is kind of weird and hard to understand how you guys settle with a device that has a lot of design flaws on both hardware and software. Asus transformer prime was my first tablet. And to be honest the one I got had nearly no light bleed, an okay wifi, kind of working GPS and fairly stable device in comparison with the horror stories that we all know through the forum. I made the though call return my transformer prime one day before my return window. The idea I had was wait a little until Asus get the problems fixed and buy a great one. However, I realized that I have to have a tablet as waiting for a fixed transformer. So I went ahead and bought a Samsung galaxy tab from Costco which has a 90 days return window. Here is my impression out of my first 10 days
-way stable. Had to reboot only one time due to firmware upgrade.
-no hiccups as I use or browse. It is dual core but performs way better than the balance mode of transformer
-screen readability is better than transformer
-wifi, GPS and Bluetooth works in a way it is suposed to be
- Form factor way comfortable than prime. No sharp uncomfortable edges. Way better feeling in your hand. I don't believe I would have written this.
-battery last way longer than prime
There are a few benefits that prime has over.
super ips display is better for outdoor use
Tergra 3 may be better for tegra optimized games. But I am not a game person and use my tablet for business.
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this is kind of weird and hard to understand how you guys settle with a device that has a lot of design flaws on both hardware and software. Asus transformer prime was my first tablet. And to be honest the one I got had nearly no light bleed, an okay wifi, kind of working GPS and fairly stable device in comparison with the horror stories that we all know through the forum. I made the though call return my transformer prime one day before my return window. The idea I had was wait a little until Asus get the problems fixed and buy a great one. However, I realized that I have to have a tablet as waiting for a fixed transformer. So I went ahead and bought a Samsung galaxy tab from Costco which has a 90 days return window. Here is my impression out of my first 10 days
-way stable. Had to reboot only one time due to firmware upgrade.
-no hiccups as I use or browse. It is dual core but performs way better than the balance mode of transformer
-screen readability is better than transformer
-wifi, GPS and Bluetooth works in a way it is suposed to be
- Form factor way comfortable than prime. No sharp uncomfortable edges. Way better feeling in your hand. I don't believe I would have written this.
-battery last way longer than prime
There are a few benefits that prime has over.
super ips display is better for outdoor use
Tergra 3 may be better for tegra optimized games. But I am not a game person and use my tablet for business.
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Galaxy tab smoother than the prime, that's cute haha. I can see how those sharp rounded corners would be a pain seeing as how they would break the laws of physics and all, can't be having that.
I'm just meeting with you though, to each his own
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prizm74 said:
this is kind of weird and hard to understand how you guys settle with a device that has a lot of design flaws on both hardware and software. Asus transformer prime was my first tablet. And to be honest the one I got had nearly no light bleed, an okay wifi, kind of working GPS and fairly stable device in comparison with the horror stories that we all know through the forum. I made the though call return my transformer prime one day before my return window. The idea I had was wait a little until Asus get the problems fixed and buy a great one. However, I realized that I have to have a tablet as waiting for a fixed transformer. So I went ahead and bought a Samsung galaxy tab from Costco which has a 90 days return window. Here is my impression out of my first 10 days
-way stable. Had to reboot only one time due to firmware upgrade.
-no hiccups as I use or browse. It is dual core but performs way better than the balance mode of transformer
-screen readability is better than transformer
-wifi, GPS and Bluetooth works in a way it is suposed to be
- Form factor way comfortable than prime. No sharp uncomfortable edges. Way better feeling in your hand. I don't believe I would have written this.
-battery last way longer than prime
There are a few benefits that prime has over.
super ips display is better for outdoor use
Tergra 3 may be better for tegra optimized games. But I am not a game person and use my tablet for business.
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a few things i hate about the galaxy tab 10.1 wifi was the newton rings on the screen...it gets worse and worse over time.
also it did not have a microsd slot nor a micro hdmi.
those were the deal breakers for me
less people complained about Toyotas having brakes that didnt work than have whined like babies about this TOY. and look at that, Toyota's still the #1 car manufacturer. so when people say we ''settled'' for our Primes, they are sorely mistaken. my Prime had to settle for ME as a user, as it is FAR beyond anything i can hope to do. I love my Prime, best gadget I ever bought
agree with the OP
I completely agree with the OP.
This device is really top notch.
Build quality is amazing, quad core is very nice (definitely will be more utilized in the close future, thank you xda ), multitasking is just awesome.
Converting from an ipad, I can safely say BYE APPLE!
Yes the "new ipad" has an amazing screen, I'll take the TFP thank you.
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Agree w the OP. I ranted about its short comings when I first got it, but after using it for a few weeks, I love it. It really is a beautiful device and fast. Its my first tab so maybe my expectations were too high at first.
BTW, what do you mean by redundant screen?
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Yeah...........wouldn't want to expect what was advertised !
Design? Who else designs a micro sd card slot that once a card is inserted, it can "Self" eject at any time !
The only thing ground breaking with this tablet is Tegra 3 and an all metal back............but I think we all know why no one else uses an all metal back, by now!
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less people complained about Toyotas having brakes that didnt work than have whined like babies about this TOY. and look at that, Toyota's still the #1 car manufacturer. so when people say we ''settled'' for our Primes, they are sorely mistaken. my Prime had to settle for ME as a user, as it is FAR beyond anything i can hope to do. I love my Prime, best gadget I ever bought
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I hate to correct you, but Toyota lost 16% of sales last year and is now no.3 after GM and VW (by a wide margin). Having said that I also have only good things to say about my lovely Prime, but it`s certainly important to note, that I don`t really use the GPS, since that duty is up to my GN. In any case I also respect other opinions, but life is sometimes nicer looking at a glass that is half full compared to viewing it as half empty
Coming from the Acer Iconia A500, I can honestly say that the ATP is WAY better in every way but one. The wifi is slightly poorer than on the Acer. That one was far from perfect either when coming to wifi. And the ranting in the Acer forum is way way less than on this forum.
I am simply AMAZED that some people expect their tablet to have a functionel GPS INDOORS!!! I can´t even get satelite lock indoors with my Garmin car gps.
I fixed the wifi problem quite simply by adding a second wifi router in the house using the house wires. And people complain about not getting a signal when they are other places than home... I just bring my own wifi in the form of a Huawei E586 (Search on Ebay)
On my Acer I had poor wifi, sluggish scrolling and browsing, squicky body, and a front and back part that did not want to stay together down in the left corner, Heavy, FAT, poor battery compared to the ATP, no alternatives regarding dockingstation.....the list just goes on.
And worst of all compared to ATP... Acers EXTREMLY POOR customer service. If you think that ASUS has bad service...try Acer!!!
Updates took forever compared to other tablet makers. I think the tf101 and Xoom got HC 3.2 about 2 months before any Acer tablet did.
I think that Acer A500/501/200 users still have to wait yet another couple of months before they get ICS.
When the A500 came out it had HC 3.0 and people had to wait several months to even get the HC 3.1. If you have ever tried the HC 3.0 you would be reluctant to even so much as try to complain about the ATP.
So if you think that ASUS works slowly to fix things.... THINK AGAIN!!
prizm74 said:
this is kind of weird and hard to understand how you guys settle with a device that has a lot of design flaws on both hardware and software. Asus transformer prime was my first tablet. And to be honest the one I got had nearly no light bleed, an okay wifi, kind of working GPS and fairly stable device in comparison with the horror stories that we all know through the forum. I made the though call return my transformer prime one day before my return window. The idea I had was wait a little until Asus get the problems fixed and buy a great one. However, I realized that I have to have a tablet as waiting for a fixed transformer. So I went ahead and bought a Samsung galaxy tab from Costco which has a 90 days return window. Here is my impression out of my first 10 days
-way stable. Had to reboot only one time due to firmware upgrade.
-no hiccups as I use or browse. It is dual core but performs way better than the balance mode of transformer
-screen readability is better than transformer
-wifi, GPS and Bluetooth works in a way it is suposed to be
- Form factor way comfortable than prime. No sharp uncomfortable edges. Way better feeling in your hand. I don't believe I would have written this.
-battery last way longer than prime
There are a few benefits that prime has over.
super ips display is better for outdoor use
Tergra 3 may be better for tegra optimized games. But I am not a game person and use my tablet for business.
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HAHA your funny!!!! I have both sitting right in front of me and I can tell you the galaxy tab doesn't even come close to the performance as our primes. I have to test on both with our applications at work and I cringe every time I pick it up. Even the ipads 1's perform better then that brick.
hiya all
got a tf101 and its a great tablet but i was thinking about going for a prime and selling the 101. Honest opinions about this please. Is it worth it or am i better waiting.
thanks
ian
Unless you are planning on using it as your primary navigation device, I would skip it.
Otherwise, it is totally worth it.
The Prime is an excellent upgrade from the TF101. It is faster, has a better screen and a more "quality" feel despite some of the issues people have reported on these forums. The only negative to the Prime is that the GPS is useless for navigation. However you can use aGPS to get rough position for location based services like Search.
Just like the others said. I'm sure you've read the issue threads. Not get a flipside view. Check out the Positive transformer thread in my signature. IMO, prime is totally worth it
Well...
Since you already have a tablet and are looking to upgrade, I would actually wait for the TF700. HD screen, tegra 3, and new back design (which supposedly is going to fix GPS, Wifi+bluetooth issues). If you don't want to wait, get the Prime. It's a beautiful beast!
I upgraded from the TF101...no regrets at all. My TF101 gathered dust until i swapped it for a Microwave/combi oven
The only reason that I sold my TF101 and got the TP was to get decent HW video decoding. With Tegra3 NVidia finally did that.
Additionally you get a lighter and thinner design, brighter screen, better battery life at the cost of weaker GPS reception and almost unusable compass. Oh, and the USB cable is longer :]
You guys need to learn how to sell........
IT WILL GET YOU MORE SEX.....
enough said.
Jonphinguyen7 said:
Since you already have a tablet and are looking to upgrade, I would actually wait for the TF700. HD screen, tegra 3, and new back design (which supposedly is going to fix GPS, Wifi+bluetooth issues). If you don't want to wait, get the Prime. It's a beautiful beast!
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Just one caveat here: the TF700 will have 2.25X the pixels with its 1920X1200 screen, but its Tegra 3 processor will only be about 10% faster. So, it's inevitable that the TF700 will have lower performance for anything involving writing to the screen. It'll probably perform just fine, but there will have to be a penalty. I think this is why ASUS is marketing it as a "home theater" kind of device--good for watching 1080P video right on the device--and not as the hottest gaming device.
So, if you're primarily concerned about performance, then the TF201 is a great choice. It has a great screen that, to my eyes, is definitely good enough. If you want the highest res screen available, then I'd consider waiting for the TF700.
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Just one caveat here: the TF700 will have 2.25X the pixels with its 1920X1200 screen, but its Tegra 3 processor will only be about 10% faster. So, it's inevitable that the TF700 will have lower performance for anything involving writing to the screen. It'll probably perform just fine, but there will have to be a penalty. I think this is why ASUS is marketing it as a "home theater" kind of device--good for watching 1080P video right on the device--and not as the hottest gaming device.
So, if you're primarily concerned about performance, then the TF201 is a great choice. It has a great screen that, to my eyes, is definitely good enough. If you want the highest res screen available, then I'd consider waiting for the TF700.
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And don't forget to mention the hit to the battery life due to the higher resolution.
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And don't forget to mention the hit to the battery life due to the higher resolution.
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Good point. Apple had to almost double the size of the iPad's battery to accomodate the high-res screen and faster GPU. With even a 10% increase in the Tegra 2's speed and the screen, the TF700 will definitely have weaker battery life. ASUS has said it'll be, what, an hour less? In real life, this is probably conservative.
If they put a significantly bigger battery in the dock that would probably help. On the Prime the dock's battery is quite a bit lower-capacity than the tablet's. It'd probably help the dock be a bit heavier too so the thing wouldn't "fall over" quite so often.
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Get the prime. Be sure you purchase at a place where you can exchange in case WIFI / Lightbleed is not up to your satisfaction. Its the luck of the draw.
Prime is well worth it. UNLESS you want to wait a few months for TF700.
Of course about all you are going to get different is a higher resolution display.
Plus better odds on getting a good working WIFI & Light bleed free tab.
Waiting for prime to hit my local BB here for I can get another. BECAUSE I want to be able to exchange it *IF it has WIFI/ Lightbleed issues.
thanks all. i've just ordered one
thanks
ian
Congrats. I'm sure you wont have any regrets. Well maybe once the t700 comes along. But when that will be....who knows.
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Hello everyone,
I'm undecided which of the two to buy, I would like your opinion as a true and sincere as possible.
Thank you.
What would be your main uses?
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Internet, read mail, read mail gmail,office,read books and pdf.
That is asus transformer prime^^
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smooth operation = ipad
random reboots/browser not responding/hair pulling going bald = asus prime
honest and sincere opinion
excelx said:
smooth operation = ipad
random reboots/browser not responding/hair pulling going bald = asus prime
honest and sincere opinion
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I have to agree (unfortunately)... As a android user from the start and with a healthy distaste for the apple company, I favor android phones, but the prime is sub par (at the moment). Both software (browsing is slow, buggy and frustrating and games often don't work) and hardware (the whole GPS fiasco, where is my dongle asus, been waiting for 36 days now).
If you want a completely locked down, non-customizable, tablet which only has 1 upside and that's the smoothness of it, then the IPad 3 would be fine.
If you want to change more than your wallpaper, and want to be able to do every day stuff on your tablet without burning your friggin fingers off (Yes, that's a reference to the burning hot IPad), while also being able to do.. pretty much everything else, then the Prime is perfect.
Oh, and the Prime also comes with a keyboard dock, looks better, has better software, the list never ends.
For these "browser problems" and whatnot, I've not had a single browser lockup in the time I've had my Prime. That's about 3 months so far. I don't use my GPS, so couldn't care less about that. And the WiFi is perfectly fine for what I need.
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Internet, read mail, read mail gmail,office,read books and pdf.
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Have you thought about an asus tf300?
Will do all that you require and is a bit cheaper as well!
slef2003 said:
Have you thought about an asus tf300?
Will do all that you require and is a bit cheaper as well!
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TF300
= :
Bigger
Uglier look
Different feel
Heavier
Less Battery
The screen is nothing compared to the Prime :"$
You realize the irony in coming to a transformer prime forum and asking which we prefer? Of course were going to pick the prime.
For me, the prime is awesome. Love the keyboard, love the expandable memory, love the apps, overall i just love it.
For my sister, the ipad is best.
See its hard to tell you whats best for you if we dont know who you are... Let me put it this way.
My sister is not a geek, she is not really computer savvy (she deleted her drivers for her dvd drive by accident, who does that?)
My sister has an iPhone and love that it just works. When she sees my android and how i can install different versions of android on it and i can do all this geek stuff she invariabally says "but why would i ever need that, this works exactly how i need it to"
However
Recently she bought the TF301. She bought it because it can do things the iPad can't, mainly open websites that are heavy on flash and frames (for school), open PDF documents, and other such web stuff that the iPad just can't do.
She was surprised that there are the same apps, instagram, facebook, shazam, the works. expandable memory was a plus for her and shes really getting to like the docking keyboard with the usb port.
To me, its a hands down transformer for the win, however there are a couple counterarguments you might make
If you have a lot of apple things going on in your house they all work well together, seamlessly, with little hassle. If you open up iTunes and think "Hot damn, what a great bit of software!", apple may be for you. If you have a lot of money you want to throw down when you could get something comparably better for less, go with an iPad.
obviously, im bias. You have to make your own conclusion. Go to your bestbuy or whatever, play with an ipad, see how you like it. Find someone who has a prime or 300 on display, play with that too. If you cant decide, go with the less expensive option.
Hopefully this helped you make a decision. Good luck!
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Severion said:
TF300
= :
Bigger
Uglier look
Different feel
Heavier
Less Battery
The screen is nothing compared to the Prime :"$
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lol, prime screen is a little brighter at max brightness. I never use it at max brightness and in direct light its not exactly excellent. I personally LIKE the feel of the plastic better, edges are not quite as sharp on the fingers. it IS thicker, not much more than a netbook, not quite as sexy as the prime, however it IS built better (more rubber boarder around the screen, more forgiving if you drop it and it lands on the corner, less chance the screen will break)
Overall, personally i think i like the feeling of the 300 over the prime, just wish it was a little lighter and maybe a little thinner.
Anyways, thought i'd throw that in there as someone who has actually held both tablets side by side. take it or leave it.
Transformer prime does not have the 3g.
I had to decide between those two a few months ago, too, and I finally chose the Transformer Prime. Mainly because of the great dock and the USB and HDMI ports. I haven't regretted my decision till yet, but it depends on your own main usage of the device, which ones the best to choose
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You realize the irony in coming to a transformer prime forum and asking which we prefer? Of course were going to pick the prime.
For me, the prime is awesome. Love the keyboard, love the expandable memory, love the apps, overall i just love it.
For my sister, the ipad is best.
See its hard to tell you whats best for you if we dont know who you are... Let me put it this way.
My sister is not a geek, she is not really computer savvy (she deleted her drivers for her dvd drive by accident, who does that?)
My sister has an iPhone and love that it just works. When she sees my android and how i can install different versions of android on it and i can do all this geek stuff she invariabally says "but why would i ever need that, this works exactly how i need it to"
However
Recently she bought the TF301. She bought it because it can do things the iPad can't, mainly open websites that are heavy on flash and frames (for school), open PDF documents, and other such web stuff that the iPad just can't do.
She was surprised that there are the same apps, instagram, facebook, shazam, the works. expandable memory was a plus for her and shes really getting to like the docking keyboard with the usb port.
To me, its a hands down transformer for the win, however there are a couple counterarguments you might make
If you have a lot of apple things going on in your house they all work well together, seamlessly, with little hassle. If you open up iTunes and think "Hot damn, what a great bit of software!", apple may be for you. If you have a lot of money you want to throw down when you could get something comparably better for less, go with an iPad.
obviously, im bias. You have to make your own conclusion. Go to your bestbuy or whatever, play with an ipad, see how you like it. Find someone who has a prime or 300 on display, play with that too. If you cant decide, go with the less expensive option.
Hopefully this helped you make a decision. Good luck!
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lol, prime screen is a little brighter at max brightness. I never use it at max brightness and in direct light its not exactly excellent. I personally LIKE the feel of the plastic better, edges are not quite as sharp on the fingers. it IS thicker, not much more than a netbook, not quite as sexy as the prime, however it IS built better (more rubber boarder around the screen, more forgiving if you drop it and it lands on the corner, less chance the screen will break)
Overall, personally i think i like the feeling of the 300 over the prime, just wish it was a little lighter and maybe a little thinner.
Anyways, thought i'd throw that in there as someone who has actually held both tablets side by side. take it or leave it.
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What browser does she use?
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If you have to ask, then it's probably better for you to get the ipad.
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totti240282 said:
Transformer prime does not have the 3g.
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Haha, I pay $10 a month for unlimited data plan on my phone. I then tether to my prime.
3g or 4g on a tablet is unnecessary and is a waste of money, IMHO.
totti240282 said:
Hello everyone,
I'm undecided which of the two to buy, I would like your opinion as a true and sincere as possible.
Thank you.
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Honestly this is the wrong forum to post your question in if you want an unbiased opinion of which device to buy. Having said that it comes down really to which operating system you prefer.
If you like iOS better, get an iPad. If you already own iOS devices and don't own any Android devices, get an iPad.
If you prefer Android, get the TF Prime. If you like things like widgets and live wallpapers, get a Prime. If you already own Android phones, get a Prime. If you don't like iTunes, get a Prime. If you think you want to use a keyboard with your tablet, get a Prime.
To my mind, the new iPad has an amazing screen. It really is nice to look at. But aside from the amazing screen it has nothing to offer that wasn't on the last two iPads. iOS is a grid of icons. Its not all that fun to use. However that is offset by the wide range of available apps.
I prefer the Prime, and I like the fact that once you buy an app you can use it across your devices without having to buy the "tablet version." However this is offset by the fact that there just aren't as many apps that take advantage of tablet sized screens. While this is improving, that improvement is happening relatively slowly especially since ICS hasn't made its way onto a meaningful number of Android devices yet.
But in the end,you'll just have to find your balls and make your own decision on which device to buy.
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Dolphin browser seems to be the general browser of choice. There are others but based on what i've experienced dolphin has more features and is overall rated very well.
Im a die hard Android guy, moderate on an Android forum, help support an Android dev team and HTC smartphones as a hobby. I had the iPad and iPad 2 and just got a transformer prime. The prime is a really nice tablet. I like it a lot for the purpose of.flashing custom software, tweaking, kidding, overclocking etc...
But if you just want a nice tablet to work out of the box with a clean and simple OS that does a hell of a job as things it was built for, get the iPad 3.
The iPad display and resolution is of much better quality to the naked eye at least compared to my prime. For reading and typing text the iPad and iPad 2 display was much nicer.
In my opinion the app store and iOS apps designed for the iPad is better than what they play store has to offer for tablets and I like the way the app store lays out clearly which apps are optimized for the iPad on the download button with a symbol.
If you will be gaming then the Tegra 3 in the prime and certain games will smoke the ipad head to head.
If you want to talk to someone who spent a couple of years on ipads and camped out at Best Buy for iPad 2s launch and just got a prime, shoot me a PM and id be glad to cover any specific questions.
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why are people still stuck on thinking the only difference between ips and super ips+ is only screen brightness? lmfao. in a nutshell, prime has a higher quality screen and the pictures are sharper and shows more details. better color representation. n actually prime screen is ALOT BRIGHTER. 300 is only 300 or 350 lumens Max. Prime is 650+lumens Max. that's basically twice as bright. not a little brighter..lol
do the research..Google ips and super ips+ the latter is a newer technology which brings a better display overall. even seen several 300 owners even say display not as good as prime. ips is a good display. but super ips+ is a big difference in quality of picture & display.
demandarin said:
why are people still stuck on thinking the only difference between ips and super ips+ is only screen brightness? lmfao. in a nutshell, prime has a higher quality screen and the pictures are sharper and shows more details. better color representation. n actually prime screen is ALOT BRIGHTER. 300 is only 300 or 350 lumens Max. Prime is 650+lumens Max. that's basically twice as bright. not a little brighter..lol
do the research..Google ips and super ips+ the latter is a newer technology which brings a better display overall. even seen several 300 owners even say display not as good as prime. ips is a good display. but super ips+ is a big difference in quality of picture & display.
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I had both of them in my home, on my table, sitting right in front of me.
I didnt notice any difference in sharpness. Granted it may be slightly better on the prime, i didnt notice it.
I did notice the prime COULD get brighter with IPS on and at max brightness, but usually at home i have IPS off and im around half brightness so unless you run around with it cranked at max all day, your not going to notice the brightness. Reading numbers on the internet is one thing, experiencing the difference first hand is another. my experience says the IPS doesnt make a huge difference unless your going to really be using it in direct sunlight, which i wont be. YMMV.
I also liked the color tone of the 300 better, whites looked whiter, less blue, however im sure in time there will be a customization for that.
Yes, the display is a lesser quality display in several respects but from my point of view its really not all that different.
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I also liked the color tone of the 300 better, whites looked whiter, less blue, however im sure in time there will be a customization for that.
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You're one of the very few that feels that way.
Practically every review of the TF300 states that the display isn't nearly as nice as that on the TF201 (not just brightness, but colors)
Also, having used the ISP+ feature for about two months now, it would be hard to give it up. If you never use your tablet outdoors, in sunlight, I guess it isn't necessary or useful, but if you do use your tablet out of the house, ISP+, to me, is more useful then the new iPad's screen (my son has the new iPad)
Keep in mind, the retina display requires apps be nearly double in size to take advantage of the new display, and uses more battery life.
My son and I put my wife's iPad2 side by side with his new iPad. Yeah, if you look closely, icons and text are sharper. In everyday use, I'm not so sure you'd notice the difference between the iPad2 (which, when it came out, everyone RAVED about the display) and the Retinal Display.
If you're not that computer savvy, or your house already has a lot of Apple products, get the iPad (I recommended the iPad to my elderly mother). If you might want more storage, or may want to add a keyboard dock to allow typing with a physical keyboard, consider the Prime...
Either one will probably be great for you. I don't think you'll be disappointed with either one.