Hi guys,
I live in India and I wanted to get some information on getting a replacement for my RAZR. I have quite dissatisfied with the performance of this device. It has been giving me issues which are not ROM related(lag, reboots, random update failures). They simply persist despite my efforts of changing the ROM to remove them.
These issues mostly occur randomly so it's quite hard for me to actually prove to someone that I am experiencing them.
So I don't wanna go through all the Motorola Service Center BS for getting a replacement, as they will most likely tell me that I am using my phone wrong and slam the door in my face(pure speculation on my part, but then this does happen in India).
Can someone tell me an easy way to get a replacement through Motorola? Doesn't have to be pertaining to my issue. I can easily soft-brick my device(and restore it, if need be) and all, so if someone has any information, please do share.
Alternatively, if I do have to go to a service center, will they check a soft-bricked device for previous flashing attempts or will they simply declare it non-functional and replace it?
Aashrey99 said:
Hi guys,
I live in India and I wanted to get some information on getting a replacement for my RAZR. I have quite dissatisfied with the performance of this device. It has been giving me issues which are not ROM related(lag, reboots, random update failures). They simply persist despite my efforts of changing the ROM to remove them.
These issues mostly occur randomly so it's quite hard for me to actually prove to someone that I am experiencing them.
So I don't wanna go through all the Motorola Service Center BS for getting a replacement, as they will most likely tell me that I am using my phone wrong and slam the door in my face(pure speculation on my part, but then this does happen in India).
Can someone tell me an easy way to get a replacement through Motorola? Doesn't have to be pertaining to my issue. I can easily soft-brick my device(and restore it, if need be) and all, so if someone has any information, please do share.
Alternatively, if I do have to go to a service center, will they check a soft-bricked device for previous flashing attempts or will they simply declare it non-functional and replace it?
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Leave it at Motorola services and you'll feel good. If it's defecrtive you'll get a replacement. While your razr is at moto services, look for online chanels on the internet and ask for help. Look for motorola india in facebook and talk 2 moto there too.
I got nine replaced this way
Wish you luck
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Thanks for the input. Well in India it doesn't exactly work that way. As far as I know you have to go to a service center and prove to them that your device is faulty. After that they diagnose the device and if they find the problem irreparable they replace the product reluctantly. So just wanted to make sure that I'll get a replacement and not some service center BS saying I'm doing it wrong.
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Can any Indian RAZR user comment on this?
From my experience you will not get replacement until your cell is fully unresponsive first they will try to flash ur phone if it is not work than u r lucky u will get replacement i have 1 idea but its vry risky if u want competely brick ur device without dropping our putting into water you can try my method for this u will need a pc with fornt usb available open your pc just cross connect front usb cable thats it try ur pendrive first diffidently it will damage inside chip than u can try ur cell it will done the same this i have done this before to get the replacement for my MOTO DEFY. Hope this will help you.
Well I'm definitely not gonna try a full hard brick. But still thanks for the input. I'll see what I can do. I'll try Delhi first during my vacations and then Hyderabad. If that doesn't work, then well I guess I'm pretty much stuck.
A friend with a defy plus got his motherboard replaced within warranty after he bricked his phone trying to flash some roms. I'm not saying this would be the case with you as well but you would never know till you go to the service centre.
Maybe Off topic: I have an Indian XT910 and ever since i have updated to 2.3.6 i have problems receiving text messages. everything else works just fine. This is one of the most niggling issues. When i contacted the motorola call center they told me to go to an authorized service centre and get my phone downgraded to the previous version(2.3.4-not sure if there is any such version). This is an active discussion on the official motorola forum as well but the issue has not been solved.
Was wondering if any of you guys have had the same issue and were able to solve it?
(Please let me know if i need to start a new thread for this)
dude i can understand ur eagerness, i got a replacement for my razr, but as i purchased it through flipkart.com i was given a brand new handset from flipkart.com. i dont how motorola service center deals
rohanblade said:
dude i can understand ur eagerness, i got a replacement for my razr, but as i purchased it through flipkart.com i was given a brand new handset from flipkart.com. i dont how motorola service center deals
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Oh yeah, my grandparents bought it for me when they were in Delhi, so the Flipkart option is not gonna work for me. Any ways thanks for the input.
'AL' said:
A friend with a defy plus got his motherboard replaced within warranty after he bricked his phone trying to flash some roms. I'm not saying this would be the case with you as well but you would never know till you go to the service centre.
Maybe Off topic: I have an Indian XT910 and ever since i have updated to 2.3.6 i have problems receiving text messages. everything else works just fine. This is one of the most niggling issues. When i contacted the motorola call center they told me to go to an authorized service centre and get my phone downgraded to the previous version(2.3.4-not sure if there is any such version). This is an active discussion on the official motorola forum as well but the issue has not been solved.
Was wondering if any of you guys have had the same issue and were able to solve it?
(Please let me know if i need to start a new thread for this)
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The only problem with the RAZR is that first they'll try flashing back the original firmware which won't repair my issue, but will make them feel that it works just fine. That's why I was wondering if there was another way. I can't hard brick the phone so no matter what I do, a fastboot flash will restore it back to working condition anyways.
I was thinking about doing this, use Bootstrap to format data, cache, system and emmc partitions and go to the store complaining that the phone fails to boot after an update which I get. They will most likely try doing a data wipe from the built in recovery which will fail due to absence of an actual android system partition. Also all traces of Bootstrap will be removed because of the system partition not containing any data anymore. After this I'll basically tell them that this happens every time I try to update the phone. So maybe they might look past the fact that it's a simple software issue. I dunno if it'll work though.
Also one more thing, do the store guys give a damn about the user's wants, like for example if the user wants a new phone instead of a motherboard replacement, do they actually consider that? Because I'm gonna be in Delhi for a few days only so won't really have the time to get a motherboard replacement done because that'll take more than just a few days(and I really want an entirely new RAZR, I feel cheated with my current one)
And lastly, no I haven't had any of the issues you've mentioned. My 2.3.6 runs fine in that aspect. Just the random lag, and reboots which are killing me.
Aashrey99 said:
Oh yeah, my grandparents bought it for me when they were in Delhi, so the Flipkart option is not gonna work for me. Any ways thanks for the input.
The only problem with the RAZR is that first they'll try flashing back the original firmware which won't repair my issue, but will make them feel that it works just fine. That's why I was wondering if there was another way. I can't hard brick the phone so no matter what I do, a fastboot flash will restore it back to working condition anyways.
I was thinking about doing this, use Bootstrap to format data, cache, system and emmc partitions and go to the store complaining that the phone fails to boot after an update which I get. They will most likely try doing a data wipe from the built in recovery which will fail due to absence of an actual android system partition. Also all traces of Bootstrap will be removed because of the system partition not containing any data anymore. After this I'll basically tell them that this happens every time I try to update the phone. So maybe they might look past the fact that it's a simple software issue. I dunno if it'll work though.
Also one more thing, do the store guys give a damn about the user's wants, like for example if the user wants a new phone instead of a motherboard replacement, do they actually consider that? Because I'm gonna be in Delhi for a few days only so won't really have the time to get a motherboard replacement done because that'll take more than just a few days(and I really want an entirely new RAZR, I feel cheated with my current one)
And lastly, no I haven't had any of the issues you've mentioned. My 2.3.6 runs fine in that aspect. Just the random lag, and reboots which are killing me.
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Aashrey99 said:
Oh yeah, my grandparents bought it for me when they were in Delhi, so the Flipkart option is not gonna work for me. Any ways thanks for the input.
The only problem with the RAZR is that first they'll try flashing back the original firmware which won't repair my issue, but will make them feel that it works just fine. That's why I was wondering if there was another way. I can't hard brick the phone so no matter what I do, a fastboot flash will restore it back to working condition anyways.
I was thinking about doing this, use Bootstrap to format data, cache, system and emmc partitions and go to the store complaining that the phone fails to boot after an update which I get. They will most likely try doing a data wipe from the built in recovery which will fail due to absence of an actual android system partition. Also all traces of Bootstrap will be removed because of the system partition not containing any data anymore. After this I'll basically tell them that this happens every time I try to update the phone. So maybe they might look past the fact that it's a simple software issue. I dunno if it'll work though.
Also one more thing, do the store guys give a damn about the user's wants, like for example if the user wants a new phone instead of a motherboard replacement, do they actually consider that? Because I'm gonna be in Delhi for a few days only so won't really have the time to get a motherboard replacement done because that'll take more than just a few days(and I really want an entirely new RAZR, I feel cheated with my current one)
And lastly, no I haven't had any of the issues you've mentioned. My 2.3.6 runs fine in that aspect. Just the random lag, and reboots which are killing me.
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so i'm guessing this is a hardware issue?
but a lot of people seem to be having this issue... and i did not have this issue when i was on 2.3.5... you are on stock right? and any other Indian razr owners having this issue?
and btw you should call the motorola customer care at 180030004343 and get whatever information you need(at least you'll get an idea if you will be getting a replacement)
'AL' said:
so i'm guessing this is a hardware issue?
but a lot of people seem to be having this issue... and i did not have this issue when i was on 2.3.5... you are on stock right? and any other Indian razr owners having this issue?
and btw you should call the motorola customer care at 180030004343 and get whatever information you need(at least you'll get an idea if you will be getting a replacement)
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Already did. After I described the issue he told me to do a factory reset from the Motorola Recovery(which I've tried multiple times before. DOES NOT WORK). I told that it doesn't work. Then he said that he cannot help me further on the phone and I would have to go to a Motorola Service Center to get my phone checked for issues. He said nothing about a replacement. I have emailed Motorola customer care about the same. They haven't replied yet. WTF is wrong with Motorola Customer care!
rohanblade said:
dude i can understand ur eagerness, i got a replacement for my razr, but as i purchased it through flipkart.com i was given a brand new handset from flipkart.com. i dont how motorola service center deals
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I wonder how you got your handset replaced through flipkart.com...I contacted them but they told me they can't help me and that I need to go to a moto service center using the list of service center's as a reference, which they had sent me along with the phone... be kind enough to share how did you get it replaced through flipkart
rubenswing said:
I wonder how you got your handset replaced through flipkart.com...I contacted them but they told me they can't help me and that I need to go to a moto service center using the list of service center's as a reference, which they had sent me along with the phone... be kind enough to share how did you get it replaced through flipkart
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I think he was referring to Flipkart's 30 day replacement guarantee when he said that he got a replacement from Flipkart.
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To get to the point, people DON'T UPDATE YOUR VIBRANTS and T-MOBILE HANDLES THE ISSUE HORRIBLY! Obviously this is not a universal problem, but if you do happen to be one of the lucky ones that bricks their phone with the update there is no saving it (at least with the help of T-mobile).
I just got off of the phone with tech support and they were less than helpful. After the regular punching in numbers, talking to two different people, and trying to re-boots that everyone with half a brain have tried, they informed me that they would replace the phone but I had to PAY for shipping. While I realize this is a normal policy when it comes to random malfunctions, which may or may not have been the users fault, this is absolutely ridiculous when the problem is 100% their fault. Seriously, T-mobile ships a top of the line phone that has some major flaws and inactivated software (media hub), then breaks the phone with it's official update, and somehow this is MY responsibility to pay to get fixed? The rep even asked if I at this point wanted to add insurance so next time I wouldn't have to pay for shipping and if I wanted to pay extra for expedited shipping! They were trying to make an add-on sale while fixing an issue THEY caused!
That's not even the end of it, because I was so irritated they sent me to a "loyalty specialist" (who sounded like a used car salesman). He rambled on about how he would waive the shipping fee (he made it sound like he just saved my first born child). I told him I appreciated that but it didn't fix the fact that T-Mobile was not handling the issue well. When a large number of phones break from an issue originating from the provider they should either 1) have re-furbished phones (or even set aside new phones if necessary) to replace these broken phones as they come up or 2) offer free over night shipping of the replacement phone. He told me that these options were too expensive for T-Mobile, and that if I like I could sign up for either of their two insurance plans, as they would allow me to do an in-store replacement (he later noted that one of them was only available within the first 14 days of owning the phone...). I couldn't believe they were trying to another add-on sale! The best part being, I later called around to all my local T-Mobile owned stores and none of them have the Vibrant available for in-store replacement (and never have).
So the Cliff-Notes of my rant:
1) DON'T UPDATE YOUR VIBRANT
2) If you did brick your phone, make sure to complain and they should refund the ridiculous shipping charge
3) If you don't own a Vibrant and are thinking about it consider the following (Don't let it stop you, just consider it):
- Still on 2.1, when Nexus One has been on 2.2 for months (and the Galaxy S 2.2 official ROM has been leaked so it does exist in some form.) => Meaning updates are super scarce and extremely late.
- T-Mobile is selling a good phone with many flaws, and their first attempt to fix it bricked many phones (do a google search I am not the only one).
- While it may be better than other companies, T-Mobiles customer service is FAR from flawless
P.S. My phone was completely stock (so please don't mention how I did this with a lag fix, etc.). I waited at least 15 mins before I pulled the battery, before which I had noted the T-Mobile sound starting without the animation (seems like a timing issue or something). And finally, I realize this is a duplicate post to many others but I want people to find this info (not be at the bottom of a really long thread) to get the word out how T-Mobile deals with their errors.
I hate when people mess with their phones then get angry at a company for "breaking" their phone. Im running stock rom with root and also got bricked, but, I manned up and knew I was in the wrong and accepted what happened. I didn't put the blame on TMo, because completely untouched vibrants that I was aware of had no issues with this OTA. If you added functionality to it after the fact that it wasn't originally on there before when you initially purchased it; then its YOUR fault that it bricked, NOT T-mobiles. Take some responsibility and stop crying.
Had the same problem but this is a pretty fix using Odin.
If you install an update from an OTA T-Mobile should be held responsible
I don't know about you guys but when you have been a customer for 10+ years, T-Mobile will pretty much suck your balls.
Either way, if you guys rooted it, then that takes the fault from T-Mobile to you. You changed the phone. The update was designed for a pristine un-edited Samsung Vibrant, if you changed anything in the system by rooting or flashing it is your fault for changing the equation. T-Mobile is NOT at fault for your actions.
Yeah why warranty the phone when you can just ODIN and fix it yourself? Do a xda search. If you're gonna use xda to complain at least use it to solve your own problems as well. Unless your phone is hardware locked it is 100 % fixable.
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starkiller86 said:
I hate when people mess with their phones then get angry at a company for "breaking" their phone. Im running stock rom with root and also got bricked, but, I manned up and knew I was in the wrong and accepted what happened. I didn't put the blame on TMo, because completely untouched vibrants that I was aware of had no issues with this OTA. If you added functionality to it after the fact that it wasn't originally on there before when you initially purchased it; then its YOUR fault that it bricked, NOT T-mobiles. Take some responsibility and stop crying.
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P.S. My phone was completely stock (so please don't mention how I did this with a lag fix, etc.). I waited at least 15 mins before I pulled the battery, before which I had noted the T-Mobile sound starting without the animation (seems like a timing issue or something). And finally, I realize this is a duplicate post to many others but I want people to find this info (not be at the bottom of a really long thread) to get the word out how T-Mobile deals with their errors
Did you not read that part?
I bricked two stock Vibrants with the update. The second one failed during Mini-Kies update and was hardware locked.
It is a known issue according to the Tech guy that I spoke to while getting my replacement.
First phone wouldn't power on after failure, second phone was hardware locked so un-fixable.
No, no.
This happened to me, I had a rooted phone I had uninstalled the inflight internet, etc on it and hadn't overclocked or anything like that. Phone kills itself. I went to the tmo store and they only make you pay for shipping if you take the overnight option.
PROTIP - DON'T ASK FOR EXTRA SPEEDY SHIPPING AND THEY'LL PAY FOR IT.
so i guess we are just SOL for the data on the phone? I just lost an entire vacation of pictures. I had not had a chance to root this phone either. this is ****ing awesome.
dechire said:
so i guess we are just SOL for the data on the phone? I just lost an entire vacation of pictures. I had not had a chance to root this phone either. this is ****ing awesome.
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I guess this is just an example of "store your pictures on the external SD card"
Then if you brick it you can still get your pictures back ....
watcher64 said:
I guess this is just an example of "store your pictures on the external SD card"
Then if you brick it you can still get your pictures back ....
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Word. That's one of the first things I did when I got the phone and was playing with the features. Switched it from phone storage to memory card.
Sorry to hear you lost photos.
Protip: Pay the damn overnight shipping fee...it'll be deducted from your bill (flex pay) which makes it free: )
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Here is the business side
If I am T mobile every time some person has a problem and I offered free shipping, the Every moron would be shipping the device back for Any problem. Way way costly, so that is not going to happen. If you Really believe the phone is factory defective then, pay the shipping and move on. If you messed with it at all then the burden to resolve is yours and be honest about that. Remember the reason people are in here is to customize the phone and improve it. Like the XDA mantra sez.......... It is not just the result... but the journey....
Like one of the other posts stated:
If you rooted it, then that takes the fault from T-Mobile to you. You changed the phone. The update was designed for a pristine un-edited Samsung Vibrant, if you changed anything in the system by rooting or flashing it is your fault for changing the equation. T-Mobile is NOT at fault for your actions.
Gr8gorilla said:
First phone wouldn't power on after failure, second phone was hardware locked so un-fixable.
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There is a hardware lock fix now, you really should flash that before you do anything else. Yeah, you run the risk of bricking with the hardware unlock, but it's probably a safer bet than flashing away.
dechire said:
so i guess we are just SOL for the data on the phone? I just lost an entire vacation of pictures. I had not had a chance to root this phone either. this is ****ing awesome.
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If you Odin it with the JI6 update, you might still be able to get a working system out of it. Worth a shot to see if you can get it without having to flash to stock first (which will wipe).
With all the time you spent with tech support, you could have found the thread that delineates how to fix your phone and update through odin. Its very easy and, frankly why be on a developers forum when you are not willing to tinker around a bit.
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dechire said:
so i guess we are just SOL for the data on the phone? I just lost an entire vacation of pictures. I had not had a chance to root this phone either. this is ****ing awesome.
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As long as the phone still powers on you can still use ADB Pull and save the data from the /sdcard folder. This update isn't a totally bricking the phone (at least it didn't mine) just making the display and inputs not work. To quote Billy Crystal: "He's only MOSTLY dead"
Odin was really simple to reflash the stock ROM and then I was able to do a nandroid restore from there.
The T-Mobile OTA update left my phone only booting to the vibrant screen, but it was a pretty simple fix with Odin. The hardest part was getting the proper drivers installed in windows!
Mini kies wouldnt even let me update,so I rooted and flashed bionix 1.8,works great.**** tmo.
Fyi to the people with hardware lock. I did the update on my gf's phone which was hardware locked and it failed. The phone would only boot to the vibrant screen. The good news is the ota update unlocks the hardware because her phone is able to get into recovery and download mode even thought the update failed. The point is don't worry if ota fail on you because you can just use odin to fix it since it unlocks the download mode.
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Fyi to the people with hardware lock. I did the update on my gf's phone which was hardware locked and it failed. The phone would only boot to the vibrant screen. The good news is the ota update unlocks the hardware because her phone is able to get into recovery and download mode even thought the update failed. The point is don't worry if ota fail on you because you can just use odin to fix it since it unlocks the download mode.
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If the update even gets that far...
ok about to root and rom. will verizon know if i call them for service questions? what i mean is, i suppose for a tech support call they can do over-the-phone diagnostics. right? if i call for tech support are they able to determine i am rooted and rommed through their diagnostics?
would i need to return to stock prior to making a tech support call to verizon?
thanks
there are honestly very few reps that know anything about the phones they sell
I'm not sure why you'd call Verizon for diagnostics on a device that's not running their software anymore. I'd think talking to the dev would make more sense. I suppose the could tell, but care? Probably not. I told the manager where I got mine that I intended to root it as soon as I got home shd that my old Incredible was already rooted. His only question was how much better the battery life gets.
They will try to help you for sure but they may no be able to since you do not have stock. They can not look up your phone info on their end but they may ask you for info like software or info about the phone from about phone that could give it away. Honestly you're probably better off posting your issue on this forum and having XDA help.
They wouldn't be too helpful not because you rooted but because you have a different piece of software on your phone.
It'd be like calling Microsoft because your copy of Ubuntu is acting up.
>_> big red is all knowing >_> they will find you.. they will GET YOU! >_>
I don't think they can see what software you are using, but I do believe they may be able to see your radio version.
So what about if i pay my bill with the My Verizon app and the thunderbolt ( which they know i have) is not yet supported by them? Not that i care but id think that be a huge red flag lol
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littleguevara said:
So what about if i pay my bill with the My Verizon app and the thunderbolt ( which they know i have) is not yet supported by them? Not that i care but id think that be a huge red flag lol
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Anyone can google "My Verizon.apk Thunderbolt", download it, and put it on their phones. Even non rooted fellas. So no, this should not throw up any red flags other than you are using a modded application.
U r legally allowed to root so dont worry about it
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I did this a week ago, my TB lost 3G completely at the house and 4G only works in PHX. It just happens the wife's D1 had no 3G so I called and we went through some settings on the phone and they checked the IMEI number etc. Found out the following day after talking to several Verizon people that the issue was the SIM card on the phone so I took it in and they replaced it and that fixed it.
I was rooted when I called, I went back to stock before taking it in and replacing the SIM card. They knew nothing at all.
It would be wise to just find help elsewhere. I find that online support is better than verizons anyways
I am an AT&T tech rep, so I can only speak for here. Bu universally most of us, despite carrier, that know what they are doing will answer the same from what I've found.
When someone walks into the device support center with an obviously rooted I won't exchange it for them. I will help them, find answers, and tell them how to fix it. I will also explain any known problems, or past problems, I know about with various roms. But I won't exchange the phone. And it's not to be mean. But often times when a person does come in with a rooted phone the issue they are experiencing is with the radio they flashed or the rom they are using. I see this a lot with the Inspire as is.
If I deem it to be an actual hardware issue and I can very the rom is not the issue then I will tell them how to take the phone back to stock so I can exchange it. For the Inspire I keep a handy sd card with the stock image there that I can flash it back right away.
If I know a phone has been rooted and the person brings it back to me with it flashed back to stock, I will exchange it without a problem. The phone is still under warranty and the warranty does explain in most products that not current software alterations exist (Ie: rooting, clockwork mod, unlock boot loader). If it's back to stock then warranty guidelines are meet.
Now with that being said, I have physical access to the device. Over the phone, the only way they would really be able to know is if they asked the software version, baseband version, kernel version, etc... and knew what they were off hand. Things like that. They can't magically peer into your phone over the air to see what's going on with it. That's the reason for their little script techs over the phone have to run through.
Ultimately, the advice mentioned above about asking the dev or the rom thread is the best you'll get. Most times this is your best place to look after a custom rom has been flashed. If a problem is deemed hardware and not software and you have to have it exchanged, flash back to stock and take it in. No tech rep will care if it was flashed back to stock (unless they are having a really miserable day and can prove it's rooted. but that's few and far between and not specific to any company).
Hi, I need urgent help!!
I have buy a new Xperia Neo (for about 300 euro) , the phone perfectly works, but wen I try to update it with Pc companion and SEUS, it says me that the phone have a modified SW.
I'm sure I haven't do nothing like flash, root,..
I go to the shop were I buy it and they send my phone at the Sony assistence.
The assistance find a problem: that the software was bad modified, and says me that for repair it I have to change the all motherboard, because it's damaged and they can't repair it.
But they want 180 euro, the shop says me after a looooong talk that they haven't do nothing at the phone and maybe is a virus, and can help me paying an half,so i have to pay "only" 90 euro.
The question is it's possible damage the motherbord with a SW or a virus??
And what I have to do??
Pay 90 euro also if I haven't damaged it or use the phone like it is(it says me that is damaged and don't know for how much time it works)??
Thanks for help!!
Well looks like someone used that phone before, and looks like unlocked bootloader via official way(hence PC Companion or SEUS wont work), I can't think of another reason.
I wouldn't pay anything. I heard stories that people bought "brand new" phone from store, which have images on it from vacations..
Not sure how you will prove that you didn't do it.
They (Sony Ericsson) should have your IMEI, mail, name if someone unlocked BL official way: http://unlockbootloader.sonyericsson.com/instructions
If they say that you unlocked BL tell them to prove you, to show you info from above.
If they can't prove you, demand free fix, as you bought it new.
If they show you that, ether accept that device and go back here on XDA to relock your BL and use SEUS or PC Companion. Or ask/talk to shop to get you new device, which I doubt they will do As you can't prove that you didn't unlocked it.
few software modifications can do damage to the hardware in rare cases like extreme overclocking , extreme overvolting ....
first check if your phone is bootloader locked or not , try using flashtool software (of XDA) to flash latest firmware of your device & see if it changes anything ...
Before sending the phone to assistance I controlled and the bootloader was Unlooked,
but today the shop call me and they say that the assistance have tryied the phone and don't know the date of unlooking, and it's not for the official way.
After I tell that I'm sure, I'haven't do nothing.. they tell me that probably I have a virus, but have a virus apears to me a very very difficult probability, also for the use I have done with the phone. And I don't know if a virus can unlook the bootloader.
The problem is that I don't know how to prove the unlooking was before.
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few software modifications can do damage to the hardware in rare cases like extreme overclocking , extreme overvolting ....
first check if your phone is bootloader locked or not , try using flashtool software (of XDA) to flash latest firmware of your device & see if it changes anything ...
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Yes.. but I think it's hard my phone is damaged for this reasons, I don't know..
It's possible that the motherboard is ok, but the assistance doesn't wont repair it and says me I have to change it??
The phone is unlooked I've seen it before sending to assistance, I haven't the phone now to try, it's in assistance, I have to decide if pay half for a reparacion (90 euro instead 180) or not..
If phone was just bought, just demand for a new unit. Maybe someone bought it from the store, unlocked it, then sent it back. When I got my neo new, my son stepped on it so LCD was busted. I had to return it aftr only 10 days of use. At first they refused to replace it but after some discussions, they did.
And honestly... Thats the first time I heard of a virus destroying a hardware -instantly I mean... But im no tech guru so how do I know.
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Urban legend, software does not kill hardware instantly, it can shorten the life by straining it using it in a way it wasn't designed for but cannot cause instant death. Most of these myths come from old propriety software users, where a virus has damaged a driver or key library then the hardware stops working, stoopid then takes hardware to practitioner of dark arts (monkey who knows a little) who when asked states problem was a virus, stoopid then thinks virus broke hardware, monkey doesn't explain to perpetuate the myth that he can do magic, so that stoopid takes back to monkey when it next breaks.
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Your phone is a used one probably,if pc companion says it got modified fw(due to bootloader being unlocked on official method I guess) and you haven't done anything to it big chance its earlier used one.Demand a new unit from the shop.
>>The question is it's possible damage the motherbord with a SW or a virus??
very rare,but sometimesyes I guess.I remember reading in Neo forums about some battery sensor getting killed when updating android to 2.2 to 2.3.4
Wasn't that downgrading, not upgrading. More a case of missing drivers than physical damage, the battery still worked....
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there is nothing called 'damaged by a virus' specially on 'android' , so yea basically any talk about virus damage is just the guys at the store which sold this phone to you are bullshitting !!
Thilina said:
>>The question is it's possible damage the motherbord with a SW or a virus??
very rare,but sometimesyes I guess.I remember reading in Neo forums about some battery sensor getting killed when updating android to 2.2 to 2.3.4
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mpiekp said:
Wasn't that downgrading, not upgrading. More a case of missing drivers than physical damage, the battery still worked....
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Yup, it is when downgrading. From 2.3.4 to 2.3.2. And it was for all Xperias2011, which started before 2.3.4.
Yup battery still working, but phone is not detecting juice from it
Still, until today noone(of course appart SE guys) knows what exactly killed it. And they(SE) replace entire mbo when you give them phone with that problem.
skyboyextreme said:
there is nothing called 'damaged by a virus' specially on 'android' , so yea basically any talk about virus damage is just the guys at the store which sold this phone to you are bullshitting !!
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Don't be so sure. Yes they can. Regardless if this is the case or not with his phone.
@pioloo: did you bought that phone in some locale phone store, or at some tele operator shop?
Anw, we can all guess now and tell you what we would do. It's up to you. If you are 100% sure you didn't do anything to it, demand new phone, or repairing on THEIR cost, or money return. Don't know how are laws in your country.
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@pioloo: did you bought that phone in some locale phone store, or at some tele operator shop?
Anw, we can all guess now and tell you what we would do. It's up to you. If you are 100% sure you didn't do anything to it, demand new phone, or repairing on THEIR cost, or money return. Don't know how are laws in your country.
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I bought it in a big chain fisical shop, in Italy.
Yes, I'm sure I haven't do nothing, and a virus, in the few days i had it, appears to me very very difficult.
But the problem is that I have no proof..
The shop tolds me that the motherboard is broken, and it's possible that a virus can have canged some registers...
But I can't understand how a virus can broke a moderboard like this... How it's possible????
Also because the phone works perfectly when I send in assistance!
And why, with a flashing you can't have the originals registers??
pioloo said:
The shop tolds me that the motherboard is broken, and it's possible that a virus can have canged some registers...
But I can't understand how a virus can broke a moderboard like this... How it's possible????
Also because the phone works perfectly when I send in assistance!
And why, with a flashing you can't have the originals registers??
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You just answered your question.
Flashing new fw can restore old registry...unless you have unlocked bootloader. Search the forums here how to repair damaged bootloader. Maybe it can fix your problem.
Honestly, I have no faith in the skills of SE repair techs. The fact that they could not tell if my phone was previously rooted when I sent it for.repairs was proof enough for me.
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Right OK lets help this guy here. Can you please tell me where you got it from? So shop name also where and what country? Did you buy it NEW? Or Second Hand? Have you got proof of purchase? Eg invoice or sales note?
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Right OK lets help this guy here. Can you please tell me where you got it from? So shop name also where and what country? Did you buy it NEW? Or Second Hand? Have you got proof of purchase? Eg invoice or sales note?
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After a looong looong talk with the shop finally I solved it!
They said, they change me the all motherboard of the phone for free!
But I had to insist a lot that I don't wanna pay ANYTHING! The offers me to pay only an half, after only 50 euros. But I refuse all! Because I know what I have done with the phone and a virus appears to me something almost impossible, knowning how a virus can work and how I used the phone!
I said I don't wanna pay if they don't have any proof the phone was modified after my buying date, and I asked to have the phone back as it was.
After this calls they call me and say me they pay for the reparation!
I bought it new with the receipt! In Italy in a big shop chain.
It was the last model in the shop and it was not sealed because they said me it was in exposition, but no one used it, and when I open it there was the full battery and the first android configuration, so I belive it and I buy it however.
A suspicion that someone had modified the software I would never have thought.
I don't know if this had happened to someone else who believed in the history of the virus or did not want to waste time discussing would pay a lot of money by no means.
Yes, also my think is the assistance don't want to loose time repairing it, they prefer change the all motherboard in this cases, and say it's impossible to repair.
Thanks to all for the precious help!!
Hey,
If you bought it with unlocked bootloader why dont you try to flash Stock rom via CWM ?
Jozinek created an Update zip of stock rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1518151
So basically you could try to flash a Kernel with CWM and then flash via CWM stock rom.
Pät said:
Hey,
If you bought it with unlocked bootloader why dont you try to flash Stock rom via CWM ?
Jozinek created an Update zip of stock rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1518151
So basically you could try to flash a Kernel with CWM and then flash via CWM stock rom.
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Yes, I thougth about flashing, but before trying everything I tried to have the phone perfectly new, that I paid for!
Because I don't know how was used from who flashed it, and also I don't wanna pay a modified phone like a new one..
Fortunely I solved it! And now I think I wanna save the guarantee at least to the exit of ICS and usefull mods for ICS!
pioloo said:
After a looong looong talk with the shop finally I solved it!
They said, they change me the all motherboard of the phone for free!
But I had to insist a lot that I don't wanna pay ANYTHING! The offers me to pay only an half, after only 50 euros. But I refuse all! Because I know what I have done with the phone and a virus appears to me something almost impossible, knowning how a virus can work and how I used the phone!
I said I don't wanna pay if they don't have any proof the phone was modified after my buying date, and I asked to have the phone back as it was.
After this calls they call me and say me they pay for the reparation!
I bought it new with the receipt! In Italy in a big shop chain.
It was the last model in the shop and it was not sealed because they said me it was in exposition, but no one used it, and when I open it there was the full battery and the first android configuration, so I belive it and I buy it however.
A suspicion that someone had modified the software I would never have thought.
I don't know if this had happened to someone else who believed in the history of the virus or did not want to waste time discussing would pay a lot of money by no means.
Yes, also my think is the assistance don't want to loose time repairing it, they prefer change the all motherboard in this cases, and say it's impossible to repair.
Thanks to all for the precious help!!
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Good to see finally they repaired it for free.I think your phone was used one with fw flashed again before selling to you,you should've demanded a new phone or threatening them you will go to police or sue the shop,glad to say here we have laws that can make shop owner go to jail for like 6-12 months if he cheats the customer
So I sent my Atrix for repair as I couldn't stand the random reboots. It came back unfixed. I sent it again, this time warning Motorola that I wouldn't be ok with it coming back unfixed again and so it got back finally fixed.
However, the phone doesn't recognize the multimedia dock anymore ! Media center through HDMI works fine but not the dock : the phone doesn't charge nor does the audio work through the speaks I plug the dock to.
Do you think this is a software issue or an hardware one, something they messed up while repairing it.
If I have to send it one more time, I'll go nuts...
Thanks !
DannyBiker said:
So I sent my Atrix for repair as I couldn't stand the random reboots. It came back unfixed. I sent it again, this time warning Motorola that I wouldn't be ok with it coming back unfixed again and so it got back finally fixed.
However, the phone doesn't recognize the multimedia dock anymore ! Media center through HDMI works fine but not the dock : the phone doesn't charge nor does the audio work through the speaks I plug the dock to.
Do you think this is a software issue or an hardware one, something they messed up while repairing it.
If I have to send it one more time, I'll go nuts...
Thanks !
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I'd guess that those things worked when it left, but not when it came back, that it would be a hardware issue if the software was unchanged. Just a thought though, do you have any mods installed or are you running a pure stock ROM?
Maybe they've noticed CM7 is better than their stock and they flashed CM7. :highfive:
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I'd guess that those things worked when it left, but not when it came back, that it would be a hardware issue if the software was unchanged. Just a thought though, do you have any mods installed or are you running a pure stock ROM?
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Pure stock. And yes, it was working before it left for repair...
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Pure stock. And yes, it was working before it left for repair...
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In that case I would say it's very likely that they broke something else. Their Facebook staff may be able to put you in touch with someone who can help as well as they seem to have access to people that the CSR's don't, or they may just delete your post. Motorola's Facebook did have a large number of complaints regarding issues with repairs a couple months ago, but they suddenly disappeared, most likely due to trying to do damage control (reputation management). There's also their forums, where the discussion of anything other than stock functionality is pretty much taboo. But yes, if it worked before, it should work now.
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In that case I would say it's very likely that they broke something else. Their Facebook staff may be able to put you in touch with someone who can help as well as they seem to have access to people that the CSR's don't, or they may just delete your post. Motorola's Facebook did have a large number of complaints regarding issues with repairs a couple months ago, but they suddenly disappeared, most likely due to trying to do damage control (reputation management). There's also their forums, where the discussion of anything other than stock functionality is pretty much taboo. But yes, if it worked before, it should work now.
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Was it sent in on warranty or did you pay to have it fixed. Either way I feel for you because I know I sent my 2 atrixes in total of 3 times and even though they were fixed/replaced under warranty I still paid about $45 shipping in the end. Everyone on atrix forums keeps praising motorola build quality but I have failed to see it in mine or my wife's atrixes.
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Was it sent in on warranty or did you pay to have it fixed. Either way I feel for you because I know I sent my 2 atrixes in total of 3 times and even though they were fixed/replaced under warranty I still paid about $45 shipping in the end. Everyone on atrix forums keeps praising motorola build quality but I have failed to see it in mine or my wife's atrixes.
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I think we're starting to see quite a few cases of storage related failures. I am a bit perplexed as what some consider to be qualifying characteristics of "build quality" myself.
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I think we're starting to see quite a few cases of storage related failures. I am a bit perplexed as what some consider to be qualifying characteristics of "build quality" myself.
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I myself see having to send them in on hardware issues within the 1st year as poor build quality. A new replacement they sent me froze on GPS then would not boot past moto screen as if it bricked itself. Was replaced with another new one after another 15$ I paid for shipping
I think some think USA company means quality. My new atrixes shipped from Mexico
Yeah, I'll have to pay to send it back again as well...
Do you think it's worth trying to flash a custom rom to see if it "fixes" it ?
Thanks.
DannyBiker said:
Yeah, I'll have to pay to send it back again as well...
Do you think it's worth trying to flash a custom rom to see if it "fixes" it ?
Thanks.
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No, because it's likely that they would use that in order to blame you for whatever is wrong with the device. If it's a hardware issue, no amount of third party software is going to fix it. I would however try to get in contact higher up in the chain of command regarding the issue. It's one thing to ship a device with a defect, it's another thing to have to ship the same device back and forth continuously to get it fixed. And the sad part is that this is just one of many similar stories regarding repairs. I guess that "New Motorola" just isn't quite so new after all.
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No, because it's likely that they would use that in order to blame you for whatever is wrong with the device. If it's a hardware issue, no amount of third party software is going to fix it. I would however try to get in contact higher up in the chain of command regarding the issue. It's one thing to ship a device with a defect, it's another thing to have to ship the same device back and forth continuously to get it fixed. And the sad part is that this is just one of many similar stories regarding repairs. I guess that "New Motorola" just isn't quite so new after all.
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I would do a factory reset in recovery. My wife's came back with same issues it was sent in with. They replaced the screen for her. The proximity sensor still wasn't working right someone recommended factory reset from recovery. It fixed it for her. Before that I knew nothing about stock recovery
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I would do a factory reset in recovery. My wife's came back with same issues it was sent in with. They replaced the screen for her. The proximity sensor still wasn't working right someone recommended factory reset from recovery. It fixed it for her. Before that I knew nothing about stock recovery
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Hmmm, I was assuming that was already done
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Hmmm, I was assuming that was already done
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Yes but sometimes people don't realize there is more than one way to do a factory reset on stock. Until about a year ago I thought you could only do this through settings. Recovery is the best way I now know
A good tutorial for that ?
'Cause that's what I meant when I asked if flashing a custom ROM would help : can it be something that isn't properly setup at a software level ? I tried flashing the stcok rom again with RSDLite but it didn't delete any data so I'm not sure it really reset anything.
Thanks !
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A good tutorial for that ?
'Cause that's what I meant when I asked if flashing a custom ROM would help : can it be something that isn't properly setup at a software level ? I tried flashing the stcok rom again with RSDLite but it didn't delete any data so I'm not sure it really reset anything.
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You mean a guide to factory reset the device in recovery? I thought that was in the manual, but it isn't, although I did find it here.
So I did a factory reset from Recovery, which worked as all was wiped. However, still no luck with the dock.
The reason I asked if trying to install a custom rom was a good idea is because I'm wondering if flashing another Webtop version or the HDMI-hack could make it work. To be clear : do you think that the fact that the Factory Reset didn't work establishes that it's hardware issue ?
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However, the phone doesn't recognize the multimedia dock anymore ! Media center through HDMI works fine but not the dock : the phone doesn't charge nor does the audio work through the speaks I plug the dock to
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As you're able to attach the HDMI and this works are you sure it's not the dock that's faulty? Had a quick look around and came across this... http://www.atrixforums.com/forum/mo...my-hd-multimedia-dock-useless-without-tv.html also, have you tried to clean ect connectors/ports. Might be worth a try
I should try again but I have two docks and the other one doesn't work either. However, I do feel that the AC connector doesn't feel really stable when inside the dock..it just moves around. I'd have to try with the the other's dock AC cable but it's an UK one and I need an adapter.
The thing is that the dock wasn't touched while the phone was under repair so I don't see how it can break just like that.
As I stated before, connection through HDMI to a TV-set works fine as well as charging with the power cord.
EDIT : saw the link you shared and it feels like the exact same issue indeed !
Well, it's fixed...kinda.
I unlocked it and flashed the "fixed webtop addon" from CSROM. It still wasn't working but with it, I got that the message saying that the device was not in charge anymore when I disconnected from the dock, which it didn't before; it wasn't charging however.
I don't think that was relevant but then I decided to give a look at the dock again and removed the top of it and...tadaaa, it worked ! From what I understand, the dock's connectors were not entering the the phone's inputs enough. I still think it's because they ****ed up during repair but heck, I won't send it back for that...
Good to hear you got it working
I posted earlier after I bricked my SONY tablet S when I tried to flash Jellybean (which I now realize I shouldn't have done).
I contacted SONY about the tablet and told them it was stuck in a boot loop, they had me try and do a hard reset (which didn't work).
They sent a box with a form for me to fill out and to send the tablet back to them. The fine print says that if I opt not to have it repaired after they diagnose the problem it will cost me $100.
Is a software only repair typically much more (or even less?). I am reluctant to send it in for repair if it will be expensive, if it is $100 or less I don't mind. does anyone know the costs?
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I posted earlier after I bricked my SONY tablet S when I tried to flash Jellybean (which I now realize I shouldn't have done).
I contacted SONY about the tablet and told them it was stuck in a boot loop, they had me try and do a hard reset (which didn't work).
They sent a box with a form for me to fill out and to send the tablet back to them. The fine print says that if I opt not to have it repaired after they diagnose the problem it will cost me $100.
Is a software only repair typically much more (or even less?). I am reluctant to send it in for repair if it will be expensive, if it is $100 or less I don't mind. does anyone know the costs?
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Had the same issue... i went to the sony store n they told me it would be $175... I dont think its worth it. Im praying someone will figure how to load adb in sony's new recovery. I have rooted every android device ive owned since the G1 n i have never had this happen to me before.
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Had the same issue... i went to the sony store n they told me it would be $175... I dont think its worth it. Im praying someone will figure how to load adb in sony's new recovery. I have rooted every android device ive owned since the G1 n i have never had this happen to me before.
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I hope someone comes up with a solution as well. I am about ready to abandon the tablet (and sony products).
I am debating sending it to SONY since it won't cost me anything to mail it in the fedex box they sent. The form they send with it outlines the minimum cost but only had me sign to acknowledge i will lose data. But there is no way for them to charge me if I opt not to have them fix it. they don't have my credit card information.
I figured the worst case scenario is that they will not tell me the repair cost until I give them a credit card number.
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I hope someone comes up with a solution as well. I am about ready to abandon the tablet (and sony products).
I am debating sending it to SONY since it won't cost me anything to mail it in the fedex box they sent. The form they send with it outlines the minimum cost but only had me sign to acknowledge i will lose data. But there is no way for them to charge me if I opt not to have them fix it. they don't have my credit card information.
I figured the worst case scenario is that they will not tell me the repair cost until I give them a credit card number.
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At this point a replacement with all the specs, and maybe running jellybean maybe a cheaper option. It's old technology now. I have a bricked one myself, and I wish I would have come here first to see all the threads like this.
It would make sense to me if they treated these devices like Windows or Linux in the sense that you can upgrade if your hardware supports it.
I love these forums because of all the 3rd party support your receive. I have an Optimus G running Kitkat which I am loving right now. Now I tried to bring JB to my Tablet, and this happens. I am still thankful for developement, because I have had many android devices, and this is the first time I have had this issue.
This is clearly an issue with the software, and I would not give Sony the satisfaction. I would imagine that there are alot more people that bricked and want to sent it in. Sony does not want you to recover so easily. I would think they have some way to easily fix this with a Jtag or something. You would be probably be buying a new one soon anyway. Sometimes when something like this happens, it may be best to cut ties.