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To get to the point, people DON'T UPDATE YOUR VIBRANTS and T-MOBILE HANDLES THE ISSUE HORRIBLY! Obviously this is not a universal problem, but if you do happen to be one of the lucky ones that bricks their phone with the update there is no saving it (at least with the help of T-mobile).
I just got off of the phone with tech support and they were less than helpful. After the regular punching in numbers, talking to two different people, and trying to re-boots that everyone with half a brain have tried, they informed me that they would replace the phone but I had to PAY for shipping. While I realize this is a normal policy when it comes to random malfunctions, which may or may not have been the users fault, this is absolutely ridiculous when the problem is 100% their fault. Seriously, T-mobile ships a top of the line phone that has some major flaws and inactivated software (media hub), then breaks the phone with it's official update, and somehow this is MY responsibility to pay to get fixed? The rep even asked if I at this point wanted to add insurance so next time I wouldn't have to pay for shipping and if I wanted to pay extra for expedited shipping! They were trying to make an add-on sale while fixing an issue THEY caused!
That's not even the end of it, because I was so irritated they sent me to a "loyalty specialist" (who sounded like a used car salesman). He rambled on about how he would waive the shipping fee (he made it sound like he just saved my first born child). I told him I appreciated that but it didn't fix the fact that T-Mobile was not handling the issue well. When a large number of phones break from an issue originating from the provider they should either 1) have re-furbished phones (or even set aside new phones if necessary) to replace these broken phones as they come up or 2) offer free over night shipping of the replacement phone. He told me that these options were too expensive for T-Mobile, and that if I like I could sign up for either of their two insurance plans, as they would allow me to do an in-store replacement (he later noted that one of them was only available within the first 14 days of owning the phone...). I couldn't believe they were trying to another add-on sale! The best part being, I later called around to all my local T-Mobile owned stores and none of them have the Vibrant available for in-store replacement (and never have).
So the Cliff-Notes of my rant:
1) DON'T UPDATE YOUR VIBRANT
2) If you did brick your phone, make sure to complain and they should refund the ridiculous shipping charge
3) If you don't own a Vibrant and are thinking about it consider the following (Don't let it stop you, just consider it):
- Still on 2.1, when Nexus One has been on 2.2 for months (and the Galaxy S 2.2 official ROM has been leaked so it does exist in some form.) => Meaning updates are super scarce and extremely late.
- T-Mobile is selling a good phone with many flaws, and their first attempt to fix it bricked many phones (do a google search I am not the only one).
- While it may be better than other companies, T-Mobiles customer service is FAR from flawless
P.S. My phone was completely stock (so please don't mention how I did this with a lag fix, etc.). I waited at least 15 mins before I pulled the battery, before which I had noted the T-Mobile sound starting without the animation (seems like a timing issue or something). And finally, I realize this is a duplicate post to many others but I want people to find this info (not be at the bottom of a really long thread) to get the word out how T-Mobile deals with their errors.
I hate when people mess with their phones then get angry at a company for "breaking" their phone. Im running stock rom with root and also got bricked, but, I manned up and knew I was in the wrong and accepted what happened. I didn't put the blame on TMo, because completely untouched vibrants that I was aware of had no issues with this OTA. If you added functionality to it after the fact that it wasn't originally on there before when you initially purchased it; then its YOUR fault that it bricked, NOT T-mobiles. Take some responsibility and stop crying.
Had the same problem but this is a pretty fix using Odin.
If you install an update from an OTA T-Mobile should be held responsible
I don't know about you guys but when you have been a customer for 10+ years, T-Mobile will pretty much suck your balls.
Either way, if you guys rooted it, then that takes the fault from T-Mobile to you. You changed the phone. The update was designed for a pristine un-edited Samsung Vibrant, if you changed anything in the system by rooting or flashing it is your fault for changing the equation. T-Mobile is NOT at fault for your actions.
Yeah why warranty the phone when you can just ODIN and fix it yourself? Do a xda search. If you're gonna use xda to complain at least use it to solve your own problems as well. Unless your phone is hardware locked it is 100 % fixable.
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I hate when people mess with their phones then get angry at a company for "breaking" their phone. Im running stock rom with root and also got bricked, but, I manned up and knew I was in the wrong and accepted what happened. I didn't put the blame on TMo, because completely untouched vibrants that I was aware of had no issues with this OTA. If you added functionality to it after the fact that it wasn't originally on there before when you initially purchased it; then its YOUR fault that it bricked, NOT T-mobiles. Take some responsibility and stop crying.
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P.S. My phone was completely stock (so please don't mention how I did this with a lag fix, etc.). I waited at least 15 mins before I pulled the battery, before which I had noted the T-Mobile sound starting without the animation (seems like a timing issue or something). And finally, I realize this is a duplicate post to many others but I want people to find this info (not be at the bottom of a really long thread) to get the word out how T-Mobile deals with their errors
Did you not read that part?
I bricked two stock Vibrants with the update. The second one failed during Mini-Kies update and was hardware locked.
It is a known issue according to the Tech guy that I spoke to while getting my replacement.
First phone wouldn't power on after failure, second phone was hardware locked so un-fixable.
No, no.
This happened to me, I had a rooted phone I had uninstalled the inflight internet, etc on it and hadn't overclocked or anything like that. Phone kills itself. I went to the tmo store and they only make you pay for shipping if you take the overnight option.
PROTIP - DON'T ASK FOR EXTRA SPEEDY SHIPPING AND THEY'LL PAY FOR IT.
so i guess we are just SOL for the data on the phone? I just lost an entire vacation of pictures. I had not had a chance to root this phone either. this is ****ing awesome.
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so i guess we are just SOL for the data on the phone? I just lost an entire vacation of pictures. I had not had a chance to root this phone either. this is ****ing awesome.
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I guess this is just an example of "store your pictures on the external SD card"
Then if you brick it you can still get your pictures back ....
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I guess this is just an example of "store your pictures on the external SD card"
Then if you brick it you can still get your pictures back ....
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Word. That's one of the first things I did when I got the phone and was playing with the features. Switched it from phone storage to memory card.
Sorry to hear you lost photos.
Protip: Pay the damn overnight shipping fee...it'll be deducted from your bill (flex pay) which makes it free: )
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If I am T mobile every time some person has a problem and I offered free shipping, the Every moron would be shipping the device back for Any problem. Way way costly, so that is not going to happen. If you Really believe the phone is factory defective then, pay the shipping and move on. If you messed with it at all then the burden to resolve is yours and be honest about that. Remember the reason people are in here is to customize the phone and improve it. Like the XDA mantra sez.......... It is not just the result... but the journey....
Like one of the other posts stated:
If you rooted it, then that takes the fault from T-Mobile to you. You changed the phone. The update was designed for a pristine un-edited Samsung Vibrant, if you changed anything in the system by rooting or flashing it is your fault for changing the equation. T-Mobile is NOT at fault for your actions.
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First phone wouldn't power on after failure, second phone was hardware locked so un-fixable.
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There is a hardware lock fix now, you really should flash that before you do anything else. Yeah, you run the risk of bricking with the hardware unlock, but it's probably a safer bet than flashing away.
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so i guess we are just SOL for the data on the phone? I just lost an entire vacation of pictures. I had not had a chance to root this phone either. this is ****ing awesome.
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If you Odin it with the JI6 update, you might still be able to get a working system out of it. Worth a shot to see if you can get it without having to flash to stock first (which will wipe).
With all the time you spent with tech support, you could have found the thread that delineates how to fix your phone and update through odin. Its very easy and, frankly why be on a developers forum when you are not willing to tinker around a bit.
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so i guess we are just SOL for the data on the phone? I just lost an entire vacation of pictures. I had not had a chance to root this phone either. this is ****ing awesome.
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As long as the phone still powers on you can still use ADB Pull and save the data from the /sdcard folder. This update isn't a totally bricking the phone (at least it didn't mine) just making the display and inputs not work. To quote Billy Crystal: "He's only MOSTLY dead"
Odin was really simple to reflash the stock ROM and then I was able to do a nandroid restore from there.
The T-Mobile OTA update left my phone only booting to the vibrant screen, but it was a pretty simple fix with Odin. The hardest part was getting the proper drivers installed in windows!
Mini kies wouldnt even let me update,so I rooted and flashed bionix 1.8,works great.**** tmo.
Fyi to the people with hardware lock. I did the update on my gf's phone which was hardware locked and it failed. The phone would only boot to the vibrant screen. The good news is the ota update unlocks the hardware because her phone is able to get into recovery and download mode even thought the update failed. The point is don't worry if ota fail on you because you can just use odin to fix it since it unlocks the download mode.
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Fyi to the people with hardware lock. I did the update on my gf's phone which was hardware locked and it failed. The phone would only boot to the vibrant screen. The good news is the ota update unlocks the hardware because her phone is able to get into recovery and download mode even thought the update failed. The point is don't worry if ota fail on you because you can just use odin to fix it since it unlocks the download mode.
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If the update even gets that far...
So.. Fiance just called sprint and apparently they knew it was rooted, and deactivated it. she now has to call them from another phone so they can walk her through un-rooting it or whatev and then activate it. WTF?
Not looking forward to going home... lol.
This doesnt seem to happen that often on the forums, or at least no ones talking about it much, or dumb enough to contact sprint for phone issues.
Never heard of that. I'm sure they didn't do it because it was rooted. I've contacted them multiple times from my phone. Other rooted phones. Hell, I think I even let it slip one time that it was rooted. They didn't care.
Did she pay her bill? Lol
This does not sound right... I've had my phone in the sprint store a couple of times, and they clearly saw it was rooted.... what was the issue she needed to contact sprint for?
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It was difficult to get real facts out of the conversation since it was mainly charged with emotion lol. But she was having issues sending text messages originally. Mind you it was rooted only, with original stock rom.
I tell sprint at the beginning of every conversation that I am rooted. And I have had more conversations than I would like. More than likely they couldn't get it to do something and are blaming it on being rooted. I have had that happen more than once, some of their techs are just plain ignorant.
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Did u use htc method? Sounds like the tech was just lazy to me.
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I tell sprint at the beginning of every conversation that I am rooted. And I have had more conversations than I would like. More than likely they couldn't get it to do something and are blaming it on being rooted. I have had that happen more than once, some of their techs are just plain ignorant.
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Willing to bet this is it. They are just wanting it unrooted so they can "try" to do something. From what I've seen they like to blame everything because of root.
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So.. Fiance just called sprint and apparently they knew it was rooted, and deactivated it. she now has to call them from another phone so they can walk her through un-rooting it or whatev and then activate it. WTF?
Not looking forward to going home... lol.
This doesnt seem to happen that often on the forums, or at least no ones talking about it much, or dumb enough to contact sprint for phone issues.
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Oh no man, I hope you told her NOT to make that call.
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More than likely they couldn't get it to do something and are blaming it on being rooted.
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Bingo. My bet is on that! Some little worm of a tech probably did something wrong and it resulted in loss of service on the phone. Now they're blaming it on root and are saying they refuse to help unless the phone is back to stock.
Mike
Aparently she went to the Sprint Store. The guy there said you have SuperUser your phone has been rooted. And then proceeded to de-activate it. Now it wont even activate.
Original stock rom, just plain rooted. So as of right now sprint store cant touch it, since its now out of warranty. And I imagine made her feel like a criminal about it.
Called sprint and the nice lady said, even though its a stock rom just having rooted alone can cause issues with PRL update and hands free activation in general. she said i just just un-root it and try to activate it. and of course she gave me a advisory that if i chose to root it again that was my decision.
It wont be my decision since my lady is scarred by this event and made me promise to never touch her phone again.
Since HTC gave us the unlock, I'd make them give you a new phone. HTC allows the root or they wouldn't have given the unlock. And they deactivated it, that's bull****.
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It wont be my decision since my lady is scarred by this event and made me promise to never touch her phone again.
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And that is what they were after. They probably knew from talking to her that she wasn't the one that rooted the phone and wanted to discourage her from letting someone else ever doing it again. It's too bad that they've manipulated and misinformed her in that way. Being able to nandroid is reason enough to root a phone if you're like me and cannot afford a problematic phone. It's great to be able to restore a previously working backup when necessary.
Like someone said earlier, they like to point their finger at root when their level 1 tech can't figure out what's wrong with a phone.
Jason
Next time, if you go in to get something fixed, uninstall the superuser app with titanium backup or by removing it from system/app. You can reflash the su zip when you get the phone back.
From my experience, all they do is check for superuser in the app drawer. If they ask if its rooted, say no.
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Aparently she went to the Sprint Store. The guy there said you have SuperUser your phone has been rooted. And then proceeded to de-activate it. Now it wont even activate.
Original stock rom, just plain rooted. So as of right now sprint store cant touch it, since its now out of warranty. And I imagine made her feel like a criminal about it.
Called sprint and the nice lady said, even though its a stock rom just having rooted alone can cause issues with PRL update and hands free activation in general. she said i just just un-root it and try to activate it. and of course she gave me a advisory that if i chose to root it again that was my decision.
It wont be my decision since my lady is scarred by this event and made me promise to never touch her phone again.
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Rubbish. Complete rubbish. They are jerking you around. Call this number 1-866-727-0665, it's sprint executive services. They will ask where to direct your call tell them you are having service issues. When they connect you, don't mention root at all, just that it won't activate.. They will walk it through from there.. If it's completely stock you have no worries, it will activate.. If for some reason they won't help you, activate it online..
Trust me they are just douchebagging you.
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I tell sprint at the beginning of every conversation that I am rooted. And I have had more conversations than I would like. More than likely they couldn't get it to do something and are blaming it on being rooted. I have had that happen more than once, some of their techs are just plain ignorant.
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In my opinion Sprint Techs are to stupid and they don't know ****...
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In my opinion Sprint Techs are to stupid and they don't know ****...
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Not trying to troll, but I would of never mentioned root in the first place. Obviously your other half didn't know that but unfortunately, letting sprint know got her in this mess. You rooted her phone, she had a issue, you wasnt there to fix it, she calls customer service, she falls for the bull**** they sold her, now you have a perfectly deactivated phone. I don't care if HTC released and unlock tool, sprint still cares less about rooted phones. Every young sprint employee that I've ever talked to in the stores seems like they are trained to not have or deal with a rooted phone. Why wouldn't customer service be the same. I've talk to one Guy at the sprint place where I pay my bill, and he was just so sure that root screws up your phone completely. Its like they have been brainwash to think that.
My point is, you can't go telling sprint employees that you have root. Sprint would do everything in their power to deny of service.
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So.. Fiance just called sprint and apparently they knew it was rooted, and deactivated it. she now has to call them from another phone so they can walk her through un-rooting it or whatev and then activate it. WTF?
Not looking forward to going home... lol.
This doesnt seem to happen that often on the forums, or at least no ones talking about it much, or dumb enough to contact sprint for phone issues.
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no they didnt
It's beyond ridiculous that they deactivated the phone over it being rooted. Being rooted means that you no longer get a warranty, not that you no longer get service. Ever since my hero, any time I take a phone in, I either set ADW as the default launcher and hide the SU app, or uninstall SU completely. Obvoliously you should also make sure you're running a stock-looking ROM as well. Doing this, despite many issues and device swaps, I've never once been questioned over being rooted. Also, just because HTC has provided an unlock method, doesn't mean Sprint can't take a stand against it by saying that it nullifies your warranty.
Not here. Idk if any of the members live in woodbridge va, but once I went wit my mom to return her sgs2 for an EVO 3d, and the store manager was there n I star to talk 2 him about the EVO vs the sgs2 ( he has the sgs2) and then he told me that he just to have the EVO rooted n overcloked n i star to show him my EVO wit the eternity ROM n the karnel from ziggy, and the scores that I was gettin on the benchmarks.
My 3vO just f***k u at the 3rd dimension
Btw he has his sgs2 rooted 2
My 3vO just f***k u at the 3rd dimension
My Galaxy Note (Bell) has a loose micro USB port. It can charge from the wall and is recognized by my pc however I need to prop it up on a slant in order for it to maintain pressure on the cable input, otherwise it will disconnect. It was caused by my dog knocking it off an end table while charging. It's a pain and Samsung has sent me a UPS slip to send it away.
The phone is rooted and this is my first experience with an Android. I've had a good time loading Da_G's kernel, figuring out adb, cwm, dagr8's Saurom and all the rest. However its time to send it back and I really don't know what Samsungs procedures are for a rooted phone. I've loaded the Bell kernel back to the phone but it's not the 100% solution I was looking for so I got frustrated and just went back to where I was already at with Saurom rc4 loaded up and titanium backup now doing it's thing.
Anyone with previous experiences send back a rooted phone for a hardware issue and know their policies?
Is there a step after flashing the bell kernel tar I'm missing?
Thanks
Jesso2k said:
My Galaxy Note (Bell) has a loose micro USB port. It can charge from the wall and is recognized by my pc however I need to prop it up on a slant in order for it to maintain pressure on the cable input, otherwise it will disconnect. It was caused by my dog knocking it off an end table while charging. It's a pain and Samsung has sent me a UPS slip to send it away.
The phone is rooted and this is my first experience with an Android. I've had a good time loading Da_G's kernel, figuring out adb, cwm, dagr8's Saurom and all the rest. However its time to send it back and I really don't know what Samsungs procedures are for a rooted phone. I've loaded the Bell kernel back to the phone but it's not the 100% solution I was looking for so I got frustrated and just went back to where I was already at with Saurom rc4 loaded up and titanium backup now doing it's thing.
Anyone with previous experiences send back a rooted phone for a hardware issue and know their policies?
Is there a step after flashing the bell kernel tar I'm missing?
Thanks
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I had to send my Captivate to Samsung for repair. it was rooted and they fixed it without any issues.
Most manufacturers will fix hardware issues clearly not caused by rooting. Of course, no promises.
That's the reassurance I needed. I'll get on with it and send it away tomorrow. I'll report back in a very long 2 weeks...
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Jesso2k said:
My Galaxy Note (Bell) has a loose micro USB port. It can charge from the wall and is recognized by my pc however I need to prop it up on a slant in order for it to maintain pressure on the cable input, otherwise it will disconnect. It was caused by my dog knocking it off an end table while charging. It's a pain and Samsung has sent me a UPS slip to send it away.
The phone is rooted and this is my first experience with an Android. I've had a good time loading Da_G's kernel, figuring out adb, cwm, dagr8's Saurom and all the rest. However its time to send it back and I really don't know what Samsungs procedures are for a rooted phone. I've loaded the Bell kernel back to the phone but it's not the 100% solution I was looking for so I got frustrated and just went back to where I was already at with Saurom rc4 loaded up and titanium backup now doing it's thing.
Anyone with previous experiences send back a rooted phone for a hardware issue and know their policies?
Is there a step after flashing the bell kernel tar I'm missing?
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Best luck.... if you were in America you could just take it to an att store. Just be on a stockish rom and turn it in and they would not notice lol, get another device that day. Idk how things go up in Canada though.
Dont Do It!!!!
I dont know WHY there are people here sending the OP off....EVERYONE KNOWS that if you root it voids your warranty...it doesnt say "It voids your warranty except for hardware issues"
Why set yourself up to be disappointed when you can just revert it back to stock and not worry at all.....people always trying to catch a fool slipping....question is who will be the fool in this scenario????
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I dont know WHY there are people here sending the OP off....EVERYONE KNOWS that if you root it voids your warranty...it doesnt say "It voids your warranty except for hardware issues"
Why set yourself up to be disappointed when you can just revert it back to stock and not worry at all.....people always trying to catch a fool slipping....question is who will be the fool in this scenario????
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Well he should revert back to stock for sure but you can't roll back the counter. But as long as your stock they may not look at the counter and just fix the phone. It's been said before, there's no known case of Samsung voiding a warranty because of it.
Dont know how they do it up there but down here on AT&T we have a 30 day return/exchange policy I exercised yesterday in fact, plus a year warranty giving us refurbished phones if anything happens. I know you guys got it a little before us but I would check into this. Go back to stock there's a thread on how to do this in our development section and take it into your local providers store see what happens maybe you'll get lucky and they'll replace it on the spot. Say it was a hardware defect though.
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I dont know WHY there are people here sending the OP off....EVERYONE KNOWS that if you root it voids your warranty...it doesnt say "It voids your warranty except for hardware issues"
Why set yourself up to be disappointed when you can just revert it back to stock and not worry at all.....people always trying to catch a fool slipping....question is who will be the fool in this scenario????
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Because in everyone's experience they'll generally fix hardware problems even if you're rooted. Of course they have to, but they tend to. We all said there were no guarantees.
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I dont know WHY there are people here sending the OP off....EVERYONE KNOWS that if you root it voids your warranty...it doesnt say "It voids your warranty except for hardware issues"
Why set yourself up to be disappointed when you can just revert it back to stock and not worry at all.....people always trying to catch a fool slipping....question is who will be the fool in this scenario????
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It seems like one does not simply revert back to stock. Admittedly I'm new to this but all I can find in the development forum is the Bell kernel. The full bell system doesn't seem to be up, just the At&T. After a factory reset and old kernal I still have super user loaded and all of the bell bloatware gone. I'm sure with some due diligence I could have made a back up right after my original root but I didn't. Frustrated with the mess I created I just set the phone back up with Saurom the way I liked it.
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Dont know how they do it up there but down here on AT&T we have a 30 day return/exchange policy I exercised yesterday in fact, plus a year warranty giving us refurbished phones if anything happens. I know you guys got it a little before us but I would check into this. Go back to stock there's a thread on how to do this in our development section and take it into your local providers store see what happens maybe you'll get lucky and they'll replace it on the spot. Say it was a hardware defect though.
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It's only 14 days here. I've had it since launch on Feb 14th. Bell is synonymous for passing the buck off, contact them online and they tell you to call in, call them and they tell you go into a store, go to a store and they'll tell you to go to the original store of purchase or another another store with a repair tech on duty. Going directly through Samsung has been smooth thus far, I just hope if they have an issue they'll contact me before blowing whistles and charging my bill some erroneous fees.
Hi guys,
I live in India and I wanted to get some information on getting a replacement for my RAZR. I have quite dissatisfied with the performance of this device. It has been giving me issues which are not ROM related(lag, reboots, random update failures). They simply persist despite my efforts of changing the ROM to remove them.
These issues mostly occur randomly so it's quite hard for me to actually prove to someone that I am experiencing them.
So I don't wanna go through all the Motorola Service Center BS for getting a replacement, as they will most likely tell me that I am using my phone wrong and slam the door in my face(pure speculation on my part, but then this does happen in India).
Can someone tell me an easy way to get a replacement through Motorola? Doesn't have to be pertaining to my issue. I can easily soft-brick my device(and restore it, if need be) and all, so if someone has any information, please do share.
Alternatively, if I do have to go to a service center, will they check a soft-bricked device for previous flashing attempts or will they simply declare it non-functional and replace it?
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Hi guys,
I live in India and I wanted to get some information on getting a replacement for my RAZR. I have quite dissatisfied with the performance of this device. It has been giving me issues which are not ROM related(lag, reboots, random update failures). They simply persist despite my efforts of changing the ROM to remove them.
These issues mostly occur randomly so it's quite hard for me to actually prove to someone that I am experiencing them.
So I don't wanna go through all the Motorola Service Center BS for getting a replacement, as they will most likely tell me that I am using my phone wrong and slam the door in my face(pure speculation on my part, but then this does happen in India).
Can someone tell me an easy way to get a replacement through Motorola? Doesn't have to be pertaining to my issue. I can easily soft-brick my device(and restore it, if need be) and all, so if someone has any information, please do share.
Alternatively, if I do have to go to a service center, will they check a soft-bricked device for previous flashing attempts or will they simply declare it non-functional and replace it?
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Leave it at Motorola services and you'll feel good. If it's defecrtive you'll get a replacement. While your razr is at moto services, look for online chanels on the internet and ask for help. Look for motorola india in facebook and talk 2 moto there too.
I got nine replaced this way
Wish you luck
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Thanks for the input. Well in India it doesn't exactly work that way. As far as I know you have to go to a service center and prove to them that your device is faulty. After that they diagnose the device and if they find the problem irreparable they replace the product reluctantly. So just wanted to make sure that I'll get a replacement and not some service center BS saying I'm doing it wrong.
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Can any Indian RAZR user comment on this?
From my experience you will not get replacement until your cell is fully unresponsive first they will try to flash ur phone if it is not work than u r lucky u will get replacement i have 1 idea but its vry risky if u want competely brick ur device without dropping our putting into water you can try my method for this u will need a pc with fornt usb available open your pc just cross connect front usb cable thats it try ur pendrive first diffidently it will damage inside chip than u can try ur cell it will done the same this i have done this before to get the replacement for my MOTO DEFY. Hope this will help you.
Well I'm definitely not gonna try a full hard brick. But still thanks for the input. I'll see what I can do. I'll try Delhi first during my vacations and then Hyderabad. If that doesn't work, then well I guess I'm pretty much stuck.
A friend with a defy plus got his motherboard replaced within warranty after he bricked his phone trying to flash some roms. I'm not saying this would be the case with you as well but you would never know till you go to the service centre.
Maybe Off topic: I have an Indian XT910 and ever since i have updated to 2.3.6 i have problems receiving text messages. everything else works just fine. This is one of the most niggling issues. When i contacted the motorola call center they told me to go to an authorized service centre and get my phone downgraded to the previous version(2.3.4-not sure if there is any such version). This is an active discussion on the official motorola forum as well but the issue has not been solved.
Was wondering if any of you guys have had the same issue and were able to solve it?
(Please let me know if i need to start a new thread for this)
dude i can understand ur eagerness, i got a replacement for my razr, but as i purchased it through flipkart.com i was given a brand new handset from flipkart.com. i dont how motorola service center deals
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dude i can understand ur eagerness, i got a replacement for my razr, but as i purchased it through flipkart.com i was given a brand new handset from flipkart.com. i dont how motorola service center deals
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Oh yeah, my grandparents bought it for me when they were in Delhi, so the Flipkart option is not gonna work for me. Any ways thanks for the input.
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A friend with a defy plus got his motherboard replaced within warranty after he bricked his phone trying to flash some roms. I'm not saying this would be the case with you as well but you would never know till you go to the service centre.
Maybe Off topic: I have an Indian XT910 and ever since i have updated to 2.3.6 i have problems receiving text messages. everything else works just fine. This is one of the most niggling issues. When i contacted the motorola call center they told me to go to an authorized service centre and get my phone downgraded to the previous version(2.3.4-not sure if there is any such version). This is an active discussion on the official motorola forum as well but the issue has not been solved.
Was wondering if any of you guys have had the same issue and were able to solve it?
(Please let me know if i need to start a new thread for this)
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The only problem with the RAZR is that first they'll try flashing back the original firmware which won't repair my issue, but will make them feel that it works just fine. That's why I was wondering if there was another way. I can't hard brick the phone so no matter what I do, a fastboot flash will restore it back to working condition anyways.
I was thinking about doing this, use Bootstrap to format data, cache, system and emmc partitions and go to the store complaining that the phone fails to boot after an update which I get. They will most likely try doing a data wipe from the built in recovery which will fail due to absence of an actual android system partition. Also all traces of Bootstrap will be removed because of the system partition not containing any data anymore. After this I'll basically tell them that this happens every time I try to update the phone. So maybe they might look past the fact that it's a simple software issue. I dunno if it'll work though.
Also one more thing, do the store guys give a damn about the user's wants, like for example if the user wants a new phone instead of a motherboard replacement, do they actually consider that? Because I'm gonna be in Delhi for a few days only so won't really have the time to get a motherboard replacement done because that'll take more than just a few days(and I really want an entirely new RAZR, I feel cheated with my current one)
And lastly, no I haven't had any of the issues you've mentioned. My 2.3.6 runs fine in that aspect. Just the random lag, and reboots which are killing me.
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Oh yeah, my grandparents bought it for me when they were in Delhi, so the Flipkart option is not gonna work for me. Any ways thanks for the input.
The only problem with the RAZR is that first they'll try flashing back the original firmware which won't repair my issue, but will make them feel that it works just fine. That's why I was wondering if there was another way. I can't hard brick the phone so no matter what I do, a fastboot flash will restore it back to working condition anyways.
I was thinking about doing this, use Bootstrap to format data, cache, system and emmc partitions and go to the store complaining that the phone fails to boot after an update which I get. They will most likely try doing a data wipe from the built in recovery which will fail due to absence of an actual android system partition. Also all traces of Bootstrap will be removed because of the system partition not containing any data anymore. After this I'll basically tell them that this happens every time I try to update the phone. So maybe they might look past the fact that it's a simple software issue. I dunno if it'll work though.
Also one more thing, do the store guys give a damn about the user's wants, like for example if the user wants a new phone instead of a motherboard replacement, do they actually consider that? Because I'm gonna be in Delhi for a few days only so won't really have the time to get a motherboard replacement done because that'll take more than just a few days(and I really want an entirely new RAZR, I feel cheated with my current one)
And lastly, no I haven't had any of the issues you've mentioned. My 2.3.6 runs fine in that aspect. Just the random lag, and reboots which are killing me.
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Oh yeah, my grandparents bought it for me when they were in Delhi, so the Flipkart option is not gonna work for me. Any ways thanks for the input.
The only problem with the RAZR is that first they'll try flashing back the original firmware which won't repair my issue, but will make them feel that it works just fine. That's why I was wondering if there was another way. I can't hard brick the phone so no matter what I do, a fastboot flash will restore it back to working condition anyways.
I was thinking about doing this, use Bootstrap to format data, cache, system and emmc partitions and go to the store complaining that the phone fails to boot after an update which I get. They will most likely try doing a data wipe from the built in recovery which will fail due to absence of an actual android system partition. Also all traces of Bootstrap will be removed because of the system partition not containing any data anymore. After this I'll basically tell them that this happens every time I try to update the phone. So maybe they might look past the fact that it's a simple software issue. I dunno if it'll work though.
Also one more thing, do the store guys give a damn about the user's wants, like for example if the user wants a new phone instead of a motherboard replacement, do they actually consider that? Because I'm gonna be in Delhi for a few days only so won't really have the time to get a motherboard replacement done because that'll take more than just a few days(and I really want an entirely new RAZR, I feel cheated with my current one)
And lastly, no I haven't had any of the issues you've mentioned. My 2.3.6 runs fine in that aspect. Just the random lag, and reboots which are killing me.
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so i'm guessing this is a hardware issue?
but a lot of people seem to be having this issue... and i did not have this issue when i was on 2.3.5... you are on stock right? and any other Indian razr owners having this issue?
and btw you should call the motorola customer care at 180030004343 and get whatever information you need(at least you'll get an idea if you will be getting a replacement)
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so i'm guessing this is a hardware issue?
but a lot of people seem to be having this issue... and i did not have this issue when i was on 2.3.5... you are on stock right? and any other Indian razr owners having this issue?
and btw you should call the motorola customer care at 180030004343 and get whatever information you need(at least you'll get an idea if you will be getting a replacement)
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Already did. After I described the issue he told me to do a factory reset from the Motorola Recovery(which I've tried multiple times before. DOES NOT WORK). I told that it doesn't work. Then he said that he cannot help me further on the phone and I would have to go to a Motorola Service Center to get my phone checked for issues. He said nothing about a replacement. I have emailed Motorola customer care about the same. They haven't replied yet. WTF is wrong with Motorola Customer care!
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dude i can understand ur eagerness, i got a replacement for my razr, but as i purchased it through flipkart.com i was given a brand new handset from flipkart.com. i dont how motorola service center deals
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I wonder how you got your handset replaced through flipkart.com...I contacted them but they told me they can't help me and that I need to go to a moto service center using the list of service center's as a reference, which they had sent me along with the phone... be kind enough to share how did you get it replaced through flipkart
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I wonder how you got your handset replaced through flipkart.com...I contacted them but they told me they can't help me and that I need to go to a moto service center using the list of service center's as a reference, which they had sent me along with the phone... be kind enough to share how did you get it replaced through flipkart
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I think he was referring to Flipkart's 30 day replacement guarantee when he said that he got a replacement from Flipkart.
IT'S A TRAP!
Well I just found out the hard way that VZW is even more evil than I thought.
Called about my G3 because of audio issue with the headphone jack, seeking an RMA.
Without my permission verizon ran some remote diagnosis on my phone and discovered root, right while I was on the call. Tier 2 support did this by the way.
Not sure how... I froze all the VZW bloat I could find in titanium.
Just wanted to let you guys know to watch your back. I'm not sure exactly when verizon got wind of my root. Whether it was right there while I was on call or the minute I rooted.
Verizon is literally the devil
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What did they say once they discovered root on your phone? Just denied the RMA? Would they let you make an insurance claim at least?
The rep responded "after running diagnostics on your device I see your phone is rooted so your warranty is invalid"
Then he preceeded to try and give me instructions to call LG and get the flash tool to return to stock.
My issue with the audio jack is obviously a HW issue and not an issue with software/root
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Always put your phone in Airplane Mode if you have to call them. If they say they need the phone turned on to run diagnostics, REFUSE, and tell them that you don't consent, or tell them that the phone is not near you, then continue talking and tell them that you're NOT calling about a software but hardware issue and there's no reason that they need to run a Software Diagnostic.
Someone else mentioned the same thing however from what I understand their system polls your phone every few hours so that may not help. Even if the phone was offline the system may still show root status regardless of the phones current state.
Couldn't hurt though...
Either way it's a little to late for me. I just hope that someone sees this thread before calling only to get a big fat middle finger from VZW.
Flash to stock and wait a bit on official software to make sure Verizon's system shows official software.
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I woulda said root (software) has nothing to do with audio jack (hardware). Not that it wouldve really gotten you anywhere anyway.
Either way, Verizon doesnt really cover hardware warranty, they just send the phone over to LG, which the rep directed to you anyway. So sounds like youre gonna have to contact LG directly.
Or maybe you even get a do-over. You could flash back everything to stock, and then just walk into store and try the same thing. The reps at the store arent nearly as sharp as the phone reps.
Good to know tho, thx for the heads up!
Yeah but I got the phone on the VZW website on a black Friday deal. So that would leave me without a phone. I'm assuming they would have to ship it back and would not just exchange it on the spot.
Couldn't hurt though I call tomorrow and ask if they will swap it on the spot.
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I had same exact audio jack prob on G2. They didnt take my phone or anything, they shipped me a new one and i sent back the old one afterwards. There's something like a 30 day grace period to ship your phone back before they charge you for it. Was easy peasy
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Oh and doesnt matter where you bought the phone , its a Verizon phone and youre a Verizon customer so they will help you no matter what. That G2 was from Ebay. If its under warranty by LG, its under warranty. Again, Verizon just assists yoh with the warranty as a customer service. The money comes out of LG's pocket, not theirs.
Yeah but their service department knows I have root. I'm pretty sure they will just tell me to screw off if I go to swap the phone. But it couldn't hurt to try. Thanks for the info.
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True but you never know, give it a shot and let us know.
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Check out this article from Droid Life. Verizon actually saw tge article and made some clarifications in regards to root, warranty and what they consider void or not void.
Verizon Begins Charging Full Price of Warranty Phones if Rooted? (Updated)
What exactly should happen if you were to root your phone, play around with ROMs/hacks/etc., somehow manage to break it, and then send it in to Verizon for a warranty replacement? Should you be allowed to get a replacement or not? According to reports, you can get a replacement, but the rooting of your phone voids any warranty you had and gives Verizon permission to charge you for a new one if they determine that your broken phone was tampered with.
Our buddy @P3droid has apparently heard from a couple of friends who have run into the scenario that we described above and then been slapped with a pretty hefty and unannounced bill. Fair or unfair?
I’ll just say this – we’ve known that rooting your device voids your warranty since well back in the original DROID days, so it makes sense that Verizon would do this. As unpopular as this may sound, I can’t fault Big Red for going this route. If you decide to take your phone out of its original factory status, tinker with its guts, and break something, it shouldn’t be their responsibility to take care of you.
With that said though, a broken volume rocker, faulty screen, etc. has nothing do with rooting, so I’d hate to see someone get charged for something that they didn’t cause even if they decided to root. It’s an interesting topic, and one that I would love to hear all your opinions on.
Update: Our friends at Verizon saw this post and wanted to reach out to clarify everything immediately. First up, is the fact that their policy says absolutely nothing about checking for root on devices. When a phone is received, a phone is checked for three things and that definitely isn’t one of them. They check to see if the box that the device was sent in is damaged, if the outside of the phone looks awful, and if it powers on – satisfy all of those and they move on to the next phone. So basically, these reports of being charged for a rooted phone simply mean that these people were sending in garbage phone with defects.
So…sound off!
http://www.droid-life.com/2011/06/1...ging-full-price-of-warranty-phones-if-rooted/
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I would take the word of a Verizon PR Rep over some call center dweeb. Just b/c he works there doesnt mean he's rhe end all be all.
I'll tell you what's up there. Worked for the company for a while and encountered this. Rooting does not really void a warranty, as the warehouse does not check for root, they just check if a phone has physical damage to it. Now if your phone is rooted, reps are advised to tell you that it can't be supported any longer by VZW. But that could happen with any company. If you modify a LG TV, LG might not want to support it either. If you are just rooted, it might be one thing, but different roms MIGHT affect different things. Yours probably is the hardware issue though. If you haven't been already taken care of, if you call back in, just let a rep know that you don't want anyone to remotely access your phone. That is not supposed to be done without your permission. I have had a few phones replaced under warranty that had been rooted. If nothing else, just return a phone to stock. But if you don't want to worry about any of that, just turn your phone off, and tell them that you tried to accept the most recent 12B update, and now your phone won't fully boot up, and leave the phone powered off the whole time.
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I'll tell you what's up there. Worked for the company for a while and encountered this. Rooting does not really void a warranty, as the warehouse does not check for root, they just check if a phone has physical damage to it. Now if your phone is rooted, reps are advised to tell you that it can't be supported any longer by VZW. But that could happen with any company. If you modify a LG TV, LG might not want to support it either. If you are just rooted, it might be one thing, but different roms MIGHT affect different things. Yours probably is the hardware issue though. If you haven't been already taken care of, if you call back in, just let a rep know that you don't want anyone to remotely access your phone. That is not supposed to be done without your permission. I have had a few phones replaced under warranty that had been rooted. If nothing else, just return a phone to stock. But if you don't want to worry about any of that, just turn your phone off, and tell them that you tried to accept the most recent 12B update, and now your phone won't fully boot up, and leave the phone powered off the whole time.
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I would assume that because I have already been caught that they have the voided warranty on record... or is this not the case?
I thought that once they caught you, thats it, the jig is up and they put a note on your account that the phones warranty is void.
I think I might know what happened. I have noticed that when I first rooted my G3 (3 Days Ago) that the Verizon Mobile app asked for root permissions immediately upon rebooting for the phone. I accidentally gave it permissions and it went on about its ways. I later removed the permission and didn't worry about it any longer. Not thinking anything about it I think that once you give the Verizon app permission it will figure out your rooted and sync up with your account (which it does automatically during the setup process) by your phone number tied to the Sim card. I think that's exactly how they knew, and I think a warning goes out and is posted on the account phone number saying its a rooted device.
Possibility? Let me know.
Wow, now that I think of it, you might be right!
Same thing happened to me a few days ago. I had already granted it access before i even realized it was the actual Verizon app. Shrugged my shoulders after I realized it but thought it had something to do with the actual ROM im running (Jasmine 3.0).
That being said, if it were me, id still try the store. Things arent nearly as automated and recorded as you think they might or should be in the real world.
Not to mention, reps at the store are idiots and dont really know too much about smartphones outside of using the setup wizard. I cant tell you how many times tge in store reps have told me or someone else to call the hotline b/c they werent sure or didnt know. The physical store employees are the bottom od the Totum pole. Halfbof them are fresh out of High School
Its not just Verizon that does this by the way.. These phone companieshave this in place as a standard to protect themselves against people bricking phones, and crying out for a replacement. History has shown them that when people root, they tend to flash custom roms, and more dangerously, custom kernels.. As well, people attempt to change the way their CPU functions, and alter the phone to better its performance.. When these things are done, it changes the system hardware stability, and things can get weak or damaged.
So as a way of cutting you off from future complaints, they make it clear that if you root, your warantee is void.
NEVER tell them its rooted, never walk into a store with a rooted device and ask for help, and if you call for support, dont just put it in airplane mode.... PULL THE BATTERY!!! They are able to access your phone through GPS, wifi, bluetooth, and data connection
If the battery is in your device, it can be accessed... The Government has been doing it for years to track people...and contrary to common thought, I believe I read some documentation that "front facing" cameras were a Government idea...
Anyways, be safe, and be careful...youve just learned proof that someone is watching
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Wow, now that I think of it, you might be right!
Same thing happened to me a few days ago. I had already granted it access before i even realized it was the actual Verizon app. Shrugged my shoulders after I realized it but thought it had something to do with the actual ROM im running (Jasmine 3.0).
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Why on Earth would you grant something root privileges without verifying what was asking first? This is exactly the type of thing more senior folks in the modding community are constantly complaining about.
yes NEVER EVER GIVE MY VERIZON SU!!! this is what probably happened and it throws flag in their system if you call or request service
Its totally possible.
From what I understand the response from denying root access and the response from not having it at all have two different signatures.
Once I saw a VZW app requesting root I immediately denied it. But that right there could have been the dead giveaway.
I already tried flashing back to stock using the KDZ method. Still the problem of audio quality persists.
Either way, it's BS this is most definitely a hardware issue and should be covered under warranty.
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Yes it's BS but it shouldn't really be a surprise. And it's nothing we haven't been warned of before
I suggest calling back in. If you are now back on stock, you should have no problem. I know it sucks ass, but representatives are just doing a job. What we were told, if someone was rooted, to try to suggest that they return to stock and then we can support the phone, and that is again no matter what the issue might be. Well, as long as it can boot up. So if you flashed back to stock using the KDZ method, root should not be detected anymore. And it might have been noted at that time that it was rooted, but it's a different story now since the phone is back to stock.