I had tried two ICS roms so far as we lose over 100mb in useable ram going from gingerbread to ice cream sandwich. Just wondering if all of the ICS roms are like that or not?
Any idea why we lose 100mb? I'd really like to have it back
It seems like that RAM is being allocated to integrated graphics and I did notice this across the board between dagr8's and smartguys port of team perfection ROMS.
Subscribed for more information, good question if we can change allocation.
Of course all of the ics roms will have the same amount of usable ram. They all use the same kernel, the stock kernel in the leak, cause without source it's pretty much going to stay that way.
I don't get the obsession with usable ram... It's Android, free ram is wasted ram. Stop worrying and let the lmk do its job.
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Of course all of the ics roms will have the same amount of usable ram. They all use the same kernel, the stock kernel in the leak, cause without source it's pretty much going to stay that way.
I don't get the obsession with usable ram... It's Android, free ram is wasted ram. Stop worrying and let the lmk do its job.
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There's this misconception that used RAM = slower, laggier performance and that also is not the case.
People need to check their Windows PC conceptualization of RAM usage at the door.
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studacris said:
Of course all of the ics roms will have the same amount of usable ram. They all use the same kernel, the stock kernel in the leak, cause without source it's pretty much going to stay that way.
I don't get the obsession with usable ram... It's Android, free ram is wasted ram. Stop worrying and let the lmk do its job.
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you are correct. Samsung dedicated more ram to the video card, which is probably to fix the black crush and gradient issues that are in the stock rom. Apparently the video ram allocated in gingerbread cant drive this monstrous display like they thought.
it does suck losing it, because its just that much less left for multitasking, but it fixed the display issues so its a good trade off for me.
also, this issue is not in android devices with tegra 3. With tegra 3 the video card has dedicated video ram, meaning that a 1gb android device shows 1 gb of total ram since its not shared with the video card. This is great because it means better multitasking because more apps stay in memory.
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Of course all of the ics roms will have the same amount of usable ram. They all use the same kernel, the stock kernel in the leak, cause without source it's pretty much going to stay that way.
I don't get the obsession with usable ram... It's Android, free ram is wasted ram. Stop worrying and let the lmk do its job.
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The obsession with usable ram is smoothness, it makes a difference, if it didn't why aren't we still all using 512mb phones?
Once the ram is filled up swapping has to occur, when this happens cpu cycles and flash read/write cycles are introduced and they slow down your experience..
Losing 100mb of ram is a big deal, its over 33% of available ram for me. And it does effect performance unfortunately.
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There's this misconception that used RAM = slower, laggier performance and that also is not the case.
People need to check their Windows PC conceptualization of RAM usage at the door.
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It feel totally makes a difference, I have been complaining about this issue for the longest and all I hear is that it doesn't do anything to our phone. If it doesn't do anything why do I keep getting a message that states that I have no more ram and that it will close everything to free up ram. This is one thing that I really don't like about Android, I sure hope that this changes in the future, because no matter how much ram is installed on our phone we will always have an issue because we cant control what apps we can fully close..
omniphil said:
The obsession with usable ram is smoothness, it makes a difference, if it didn't why aren't we still all using 512mb phones?
Once the ram is filled up swapping has to occur, when this happens cpu cycles and flash read/write cycles are introduced and they slow down your experience..
Losing 100mb of ram is a big deal, its over 33% of available ram for me. And it does effect performance unfortunately.
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100=1000/3? You might want to double check that one.
No matter how many tabs I open in chrome, along with beautiful widgets and Facebook, 2 email accounting syncing and Engadget, joystick, reddit and XDA apps running I never take a performance hit.
My advice is to spend less time running quadrant, your rams are being out to good use.
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100=1000/3? You might want to double check that one.
No matter how many tabs I open in chrome, along with beautiful widgets and Facebook, 2 email accounting syncing and Engadget, joystick, reddit and XDA apps running I never take a performance hit.
My advice is to spend less time running quadrant, your rams are being out to good use.
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I think he meant 1/3 of free ram. Typically a stock gingerbread from had 320-350mb free ram.
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I think he meant 1/3 of free ram. Typically a stock gingerbread from had 320-350mb free ram.
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Correct.. I lost 100mb or so of free ram, which forces the phone to swap more often. If we lost it to help the video card then that's fine, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't something else.
Maybe with an official build of ICS the sluggishness will be better...
Interesting point here... I saw a screen shot of an international Note on ICS and the max free RAM was at 803 MB. Maybe its just an issue with our ics leak that we have so little free RAM?
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Been doing some testing on this. It appears that limiting the background applications to three returns the free memory back to gb levels. Been testing this all day with my objection rom, and my used memory has not gone above 472 used with 3 background applications running. That leaves plenty of room to run my games in the forground or office applications. Phone has been running smooth and with out error.
In objection rom to limit the back ground applications. Settings /development options / limit back ground process.
Also been looking at my wife's nexus with non rooted ics. Her phone shows 728 Meg of available ram. Not sure why our leaked version is showing only 656.
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Thanks! after reading this post...I went into the ICS settings on Unofficial ROM and set the settings to 3 background and kill apps on exit..it improved A LOTTTTT....Ive been lurking a long time and this is the best advice I have read!
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In the SGS task manager the RAM (after everything has been cleared states 291MB/833MB why is this please?
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In the SGS task manager the RAM (after everything has been cleared states 291MB/833MB why is this please?
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Answer is simple, total ram is 1024 Mb but the gpu required 129 mb. So the rest remains for programs. 291 is used by android system.
thats 542 mb free. my galaxy s when cleared shows 154/304 so only 150 free. Well over 3 times the amount is very impressive.
I hope that dosent mean theres just 290 free ram, but it might be the case. my DHD has 768mb ram and im usually around 200mb free all the time, sometimes even like 115mb when i use a few apps. android has some serious ram eating issues.
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I hope that dosent mean theres just 290 free ram, but it might be the case.
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It seems to indicate theamount of *used* RAM.
On my GII...
Samsung's Task Manager: 233MB/833MB
TasKiller: 596 M Available memory
The operating system is supposed to fill up the RAM as much as possible, Android is trying to utilize the resources at their best. "Free" RAM doesn't mean a thing, it is better used as a cache. Parts of that cache will be dropped as soon as an application needs more RAM. Windows uses RAM in a similar fashion.
You shouldn't run any "RAM freeing"-programs as they are counterproductive - typical snake-oil software.
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You shouldn't run any "RAM freeing"-programs as they are counterproductive - typical snake-oil software.
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I'm all for putting my RAM to good use, the reason why I use a TaskKiller is to exit apps which after a day of use continue to run even though I'm not using them / apps I forgot to exit.
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The operating system is supposed to fill up the RAM as much as possible, Android is trying to utilize the resources at their best. "Free" RAM doesn't mean a thing, it is better used as a cache. Parts of that cache will be dropped as soon as an application needs more RAM. Windows uses RAM in a similar fashion.
You shouldn't run any "RAM freeing"-programs as they are counterproductive - typical snake-oil software.
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Of course, but it just amazes me how much ram is needed by android. I say this because, on every android phone ive had to date, once the ram goes below 150mb, things start to really get choppy, i dont know why. I assumed by that point, every app i would use is already in the ram so it should actually make things faster, but normal things like opening apps and scrolling through menus start getting very choppy, even in apps things are choppy which lets mek now ram is low. Thats when i realize i need to do a quick reboot.
In that sense, i really have a lot of respect for apple, they do some crazy ram optimizations. I know they dont have things like widgets or whatever, but everything runs like butter, also you have to admit the iphone4 has a very high res screen and the apps are much more visually taxing but they are damn fast. But with 1gb of ram, I doubt we will be running into these issues.. I wonder if the SGS3 will have 2gb ram..hehe
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Of course, but it just amazes me how much ram is needed by android. I say this because, on every android phone ive had to date, once the ram goes below 150mb, things start to really get choppy, i dont know why. I assumed by that point, every app i would use is already in the ram so it should actually make things faster, but normal things like opening apps and scrolling through menus start getting very choppy, even in apps things are choppy which lets mek now ram is low. Thats when i realize i need to do a quick reboot.
In that sense, i really have a lot of respect for apple, they do some crazy ram optimizations. I know they dont have things like widgets or whatever, but everything runs like butter, also you have to admit the iphone4 has a very high res screen and the apps are much more visually taxing but they are damn fast. But with 1gb of ram, I doubt we will be running into these issues.. I wonder if the SGS3 will have 2gb ram..hehe
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The ram issues on Android are because of how it's designed.
iOS each app has it's slice of RAM that is managed completely by the app itself. When the app exits, the OS doesn't check anything, it just flushes the whole piece of RAM, which is very quick. When 'multitasking' and the phone runs low on RAM, it can quickly flush the ram on any 'background' app without having to do any checks.. very fast operation.
Android has a far more complicated structure, with the Android system managing the RAM within each app. Each app is broken into separate blocks (activity, service, etc) and while the whole app can be flushed (with a force close), Android doesn't do this. When Android is low on RAM, it follows a set order on what to close first, such as unused activities. This takes quite a lot of calculating and slows stuff down.
All those complications are 'fixed' with the SGS2 though. Dual core means the calculations don't bother your running task. High ram means the calculations don't happen often. Works very nicely.
i use tittainium backup and freeze unwanted apps, i get around 650-700mb free
The SGS2 has 1024MB of RAM. 833MB is available to the Android system and the rest is used by the radio.
I would like to ask some users...
Somebody reported that they have 910MB of TOTAL Ram.. Some have 830+
How can i know this?
BlackRainX said:
I would like to ask some users...
Somebody reported that they have 910MB of TOTAL Ram.. Some have 830+
How can i know this?
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Task Manager
Hold down the Home Button
Task Manager
RAM
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Yep but i want to buy it from e-shop where i cant see the amount of ram..
I don't seem to understand that why do the sIII has too less free ram, it doesn't have HTC sense either, but so what's the problem
Comparison on normal basis:
Free Ram on:
-HTC explorer = 240
-SIII = 340
-Optimus one = 330
Q1
Can someone tell me what app or the list of useless apps that are ram hungry?
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Why do all devices have less ram example, Optimus one has 512 mb ram and available 421 with cm9
S3 has 1Gb and available around 760
Why, and if it is system reserved then why do we see system apps in taskillers
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S3 has 1Gb and available around 760
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'free' shows 778MB after conversion from KB to MB (1MB = 1024KB)
That 1GB includes hardware-reserved locations suche as for the GPU which, unlike mid- to high-end desktop computers has no real dedicated memory. Additionally there are the camera app (especially video encoding is notoriously high on RAM due to the codec specifications), the modem, ...
I'm also not sure if that 1GB is, as hardware manufacturers often tend to do, 1'000'000'000 Byte (1 GB according to hardware manufacturer'sIEC definition) or 1073741824 Byte (as defined by SI and adopted by software manufacturers)
That would reduce the capacity by a further 7.37% on RAW storage.
why do we see system apps in taskillers
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You shouldn't be using Task Killers. I still remember them being a de-facto requirement in Eclair, but since Froyo they are obsolete and cause more harm than they can do good.
(At least in theory, memory management only recently with ICS got reliable and performant enough to completely get rid of them)
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Free RAM is wasted RAM in Android.
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If you have very less free ram your phone will start lagging and your phone will become a waste phone. Is that alright for you?
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'free' shows 778MB after conversion from KB to MB (1MB = 1024KB)
That 1GB includes hardware-reserved locations suche as for the GPU which, unlike mid- to high-end desktop computers has no real dedicated memory. Additionally there are the camera app (especially video encoding is notoriously high on RAM due to the codec specifications), the modem, ...
I'm also not sure if that 1GB is, as hardware manufacturers often tend to do, 1'000'000'000 Byte (1 GB according to hardware manufacturer'sIEC definition) or 1073741824 Byte (as defined by SI and adopted by software manufacturers)
That would reduce the capacity by a further 7.37% on RAW storage.
You shouldn't be using Task Killers. I still remember them being a de-facto requirement in Eclair, but since Froyo they are obsolete and cause more harm than they can do good.
(At least in theory, memory management only recently with ICS got reliable and performant enough to completely get rid of them)
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By the way what thing takes up so much ram
HTC phones has memory hungry sense so it's understood but what's the problem here?
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By the way what thing takes up so much ram
HTC phones has memory hungry sense so it's understood but what's the problem here?
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Touchwiz is by far more memory hungry than sense.
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Touchwiz is by far more memory hungry than sense.
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I see
But touchwiz has nothing special, and no flipping clock no cool widgets and no sense like cool launcher
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haha there is far more to Sense and Touchwiz than just a few widgets dude!
By the way what thing takes up so much ra
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Get houmiak Task Manager from Market and look for yourself. Many useful features are completely unnecessary for most of us, so you can freeze them to gain memory. (Don't uninstall since you can defrost frozen apps instantly if you ever needed it)
Those included for me the Exchange service, Allshare, ... . There's a whole list of apps which are safe to remove.
(Note that 'safe to remove' does not mean you won't need it: that depends on what you actually use)
But touchwiz has nothing special, and no flipping clock no cool widgets and no sense like cool launcher
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Both Touchwiz and Sense are horrors in terms of coding standards and resource consumption. If all you care about in Touchwiz is the launcher and widgets then by all means get rid of Touchwiz (I recommend CM9) and install a customizable Launcher such as Go Launcher, Apex, ...
If you have very less free ram your phone will start lagging and your phone will become a waste phone.
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"Free" memory is a very interesting defition. What do you call 'free' memory?
If an app is closed, should Android immediatly remove it from Cache? You'll probably say yes to increase free memory.
However there are multiple reasons why it's not done
- free memory is wasted memory. If the phone doesn't use it, what's the point of having it?
- it doesn't cost anything in terms of CPU-cycles to "remove" cached apps from RAM whenever the space is needed [*]
- Should you multitask back in the app, it's immediatly available. Depending on the app, even with everything exactly as you left it
[*] Well it does, but not more than immediatly removing it when the app is closed.
If you work a lot within the same app, chances are that your free memory is far below 1MB since it keeps everything in Cache if it should ever be needed. By exiting or killing an app that value increases since some data is always freed. But that does not mean the phone will magically get faster. If you still don't believe me; what if I told you that there is NO major operating system (Mac OsX, Windows NT, iOS, Linux, BSD, ...) that does not cache. You just don't see the raw values Linux shows on most of them, but faked values where the cache is substracted.
If you want details, I recommend reading about Paging ("Swap") and In-Memory Caching on Wikipedia. They have some excellent articles.
Here's a shortened easy versioN: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
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If you have very less free ram your phone will start lagging and your phone will become a waste phone. Is that alright for you?
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My phone never lags. Sometimes there is a brief delay when a screen redraws upon app change. I hardly think the phone becomes a "waste" at this point. If you want to see what lag really feels like go get a second hand HTC desire.
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It is sad that the available ram is less than on the S2 to be honest.
I'm running with 80-200mb free all the time, even been down to around 50mb when using the phone, the S2 I was never under 150mb.
But then again, the S3 is faster than the S2
extreme unstable ram usage
hawkn said:
It is sad that the available ram is less than on the S2 to be honest.
I'm running with 80-200mb free all the time, even been down to around 50mb when using the phone, the S2 I was never under 150mb.
But then again, the S3 is faster than the S2
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wow, you lucky s3 fellow, i have been experiencing ram issues, when I say that, know that I have considered the fact that more RAM used the better - more apps in memory, improves app switching/launching speed(all that philosophical BS which people give with pride, when someone posts a query on RAM. My RAM exceeds 700 MB and goes up to 796 MB with less than 50 MB at times; and this is with 10-15 trusted lightweight apps installed, This was prevalent since the stock firmware ICS and even is present after the JB update. More RAM used is good only when it doesn't affect performance, and doesn't force apps to struggling to stay in memory, causing them to frequently restart.
though i found a partial fix, which gave a lil speed boost -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1787263&highlight=ram+problem
This helped me a lil(Disabling ripple effect in lockscreen), though to totally resolve the issue, i might have to go for a custom rom/kernel or hope for sammy boys to release an update soon -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1926380&page=3
I've noticed the higher version of android I go up on my phone, the more ram applications use and the system itself does.
So my question is, when is it that our phones won't have enough ram to handle more than one app running? The max my phone can handle with 403 system ram using the devil kernel on JB is like about 2-3, then the app restarts or refreshes.
What about you guys?
Hmm I've felt that the higher, the less ram. I was on slimbean and I had 180+ available ram all the time. Well, when playing music it would drop to 170 mb, but its still really good. Right now I'm on aokp and I have music, kakaotalk, Google services, lookout, android keyboard all taking up ram under running apps and I still have about 160 mb free. Aokp has this performance tweak that controls how much ram will be free on every reboot. That's why I have so much free ram even though my total is only 378 mb. You should try aokp. Its really nice
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My phone's on Android2.3.6. It has 366M Ram, and I've no lag or FC.
More Ram means less sth. else, as the Galaxy S variants have only 512 ram.
The phone may lose 720P recording on 403 Ram, other weird things may happen too.
For daily use, I prefer 366M ram.
glassesboy said:
My phone's on Android2.3.6. It has 366M Ram, and I've no lag or FC.
More Ram means less sth. else, as the Galaxy S variants have only 512 ram.
The phone may lose 720P recording on 403 Ram, other weird things may happen too.
For daily use, I prefer 366M ram.
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Haha, sorry I find that funny. GB has always been slow and unstable. Froyo was good thanks to Bionix and Fishman. Even though GB looked nice and was fun playing around with, (LOVED Sensation ROM and RevoultionROM JVQ) they began to lag after a while and unfortunately GPS did not work. ICS was really nice but it had the EU bug. JB is (obviously) the fastest version.
Also, the phone WILL lose 720p recording on 403 mb of RAM, but thats why you use 391 mb. I dont notice a difference between ~10mb of RAM. I dont know why you would prefer 366 mb on gingerbread, (which is really slow compared to JB) as opposed to JB's 391 mb.
Android has been trying to smooth itself out so to run the OS itself should be enough. You can freeze the system apps you don't need so they won't automatically load themselves. To run newer games you will need a device with more ram though.
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My phone's on Android2.3.6. It has 366M Ram, and I've no lag or FC.
More Ram means less sth. else, as the Galaxy S variants have only 512 ram.
The phone may lose 720P recording on 403 Ram, other weird things may happen too.
For daily use, I prefer 366M ram.
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I must ask this as you said you were on 2.3.6 but didn't give a specific ROM name. Does your phone have a stock front facing camera?
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But guys, for example try using some of the newer app, there is also lag for some reason. And when i switch between apps, they take a while to load. Maybe i need to use zram.
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But guys, for example try using some of the newer app, there is also lag for some reason. And when i switch between apps, they take a while to load. Maybe i need to use zram.
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Maybe you need CM7 and glitch kernel. Seriously.
The thing is Vibrant doesn't have enough memory to smoothly handle multitasking and avoid casual lag (especially when pressing the recent apps button) on v4.x.x OSes.
It's great that a lot of developers spend their time porting ICS and JB, but actually I need a working and responsive phone.
Think about it, if it were false then we wouldn't have any need for newer models.
Why buying a GS3? I can run JB on my Vibrant! wooo!
Of course this is just my humble point of view, I'm not partecipating in a political debate.
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Haha, sorry I find that funny. GB has always been slow and unstable.
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Yeah, I find it funny too... somehow.
By the way, there's a huge difference between 2.3.4/6 and 2.3.7.
Obviously the vibe isn't packing 2gb of ram like the US gs3 and note2 but I've been running PA JB for a while. The only thing that seems to lag is Google search/now/browser. Other than that it runs smooth! I have about 30+ launchable system and user apps. The key is to kill app back and minimize background processes
(mines set at 3). There are other ram management choices as well.
As I said, its no gs3 but for an almost 3yr old device this vibrator is buzzing strong!
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Obviously the vibe isn't packing 2gb of ram like the US gs3 and note2 but I've been running PA JB for a while. The only thing that seems to lag is Google search/now/browser. Other than that it runs smooth! I have about 30+ launchable system and user apps. The key is to kill app back and minimize background processes
(mines set at 3). There are other ram management choices as well.
As I said, its no gs3 but for an almost 3yr old device this vibrator is buzzing strong!
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I agree... for a three year old phone these things kick ass. Im running SlimBean 2.8 which is insanely stable and responsive and quick... I have no lag issues and no force close issues and my RAM is 277MB used and 132MB free, give or take, thats with Update Me, Google Services, Keyboard, and Facebook running. I can use FB, Slacker, any browser I want... never have issues and the phone feels smoother than stock GS3 IMO... I have processes set to 3 as well and have never had a problem. Just remember we only have 512MB to work with... :silly::highfive:
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X to the rescue!! I downloaded 1gb and wow.....that's all I can say!
[A] No
There are a few droids released this year with 2 gigs of RAM like the US/JP S3,optimus G,padfone 2 and google's own nexus 4.But is it really necessary ? or is it just for marketing like it is the case with 1080P(440ppi) screens ? As far as I know,you can open around 20 apps on an android phone with 1 gig of RAM.Who would open more than that ? I personally only run 6 apps max in the same time,opening more(like I actually need to) would just result in more battery drainage.Some people say that android apps will need more RAM in the next couple of years but I don't think this would be the case.Apps should be encoded well to actually become LIGHTER not HEAVIER.What do you guys think ?
2gb would help me run a GNU/Linux inside a chroot.
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Apps should be encoded well to actually become LIGHTER not HEAVIER.
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I bet it won't happen.
Once I downloaded a simple 3D Rally game, and it used 320 MB RAM. I only have 410 MB left after the phone booted, so it would be nice to have more.
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There are a few droids released this year with 2 gigs of RAM like the US/JP S3,optimus G,padfone 2 and google's own nexus 4.But is it really necessary ? or is it just for marketing like it is the case with 1080P(440ppi) screens ? As far as I know,you can open around 20 apps on an android phone with 1 gig of RAM.Who would open more than that ? I personally only run 6 apps max in the same time,opening more(like I actually need to) would just result in more battery drainage.Some people say that android apps will need more RAM in the next couple of years but I don't think this would be the case.Apps should be encoded well to actually become LIGHTER not HEAVIER.What do you guys think ?
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I agree that it would be great if apps started getting lighter. It's kinda irritating that Android as a whole kinda seems to be getting more boated lately too. Just because the technology and hardware exists (such as 2 gigs of ram or quad core cpus) is no excuse for bloated coding and programs IMO.
Android is Linux based. Unlike a PC OS like windows, it uses as much RAM as it can. Its built that way. Example: Facebook, Twitter, browser, XDA app running. If you have say 200MB free, android will give more to the apps that are being used. So if browser is just sitting there idle, Facebook and Twitter which are realtime, would get more RAM for better performance. 2GB RAM would be so much better and honestly I would love to have more than that. Closer to 4GB just to have fun with. And maybe I'm crazy, but I just like the idea of it.
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Well nowaday it seems that more is better than less so... why not? in the future maybe 4gb ram is standard for smartphone like dual-core cpu is a standard for a medium smartphones right now. I mean that belong to the future so for now more ram more speed more storage less money is better for me ^^
At present it might not matter but........ eventually it'll needed it.
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Eventually I think it will be standard to have at least 1.5GB ram and a 1.5ghz processor and maybe 16GB internal storage.
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At present it might not matter but........ eventually it'll needed it.
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Eventually I think it will be standard to have at least 1.5GB ram and a 1.5ghz processor and maybe 16GB internal storage.
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I still don't see why android would need more than 1GB of RAM in the coming years.If 2gb of RAM would be a necessity for the OS to run properly then I assume google would stop updating the nexus S[512MB RAM],galaxy nexus and nexus 7 [both 1GB RAM] a year from now.If apps would need them,then mid-range phones with 1GB RAM or less wouldn't operate properly.
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Android is Linux based. Unlike a PC OS like windows, it uses as much RAM as it can. Its built that way. Example: Facebook, Twitter, browser, XDA app running. If you have say 200MB free, android will give more to the apps that are being used. So if browser is just sitting there idle, Facebook and Twitter which are realtime, would get more RAM for better performance. 2GB RAM would be so much better and honestly I would love to have more than that. Closer to 4GB just to have fun with. And maybe I'm crazy, but I just like the idea of it.
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Except that these apps don't actually need the RAM,lol.Maybe only the browser if you have 5+ tabs opened.
Browser uses about 150MB somehow for me with one tab open.
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The os dosnt need this much. However the more ram the more apps can be kept running thus better multitasking.
This is the case with most computers there will always be those high end specs that few really need but it some what future proofs for a few years
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Relax... having more ram is just like having more money in your pocket... and it's not like u gonna use all of the money in your pocket at the same time anyway, has to save some left for something "unexpected" to happen right? and if google stop supporting Nexus S so what? we still have a lot of devs always ready to make a cook rom for it (and personally i like cook rom more).
I'ts not the end of the world if we have more ram
Article: Samsung Galaxy K launch event scheduled for April 29th
Samsung Galaxy K launch event scheduled for April 29th
http://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-k-launch-event-368298/
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It's the Galaxy S5 "Zoom" for anyone who doesn't already know.
Smaller screen, bigger camera.
Whatever happened to the S5 Prime?
The one that was supposed to be:
805 processor (64 bit)
QHD 5.2 screen
4GB Ram
Most of that would be icing on the cake, but the fact that the S5 stuck with 2GB RAM is really a big reason I'm not jumping on upgrading. Heavy multitasking with a number of apps running is just so sluggish with 2GB RAM.
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lawhawk said:
Whatever happened to the S5 Prime?
The one that was supposed to be:
805 processor (64 bit)
QHD 5.2 screen
4GB Ram
Most of that would be icing on the cake, but the fact that the S5 stuck with 2GB RAM is really a big reason I'm not jumping on upgrading. Heavy multitasking with a number of apps running is just so sluggish with 2GB RAM.
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hmm S5 2GB ram is getting the job done , I haven't found sluggish performance what so every in heavy multitasking & GS5 is smoother then Note 3 that holds 3GB.
The LG G2 with 2GB is a different story though , After kitkat update device performance became shot on many levels.
A great benchmark video found at ATT GS5 forums,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2720526
lawhawk said:
Whatever happened to the S5 Prime?
The one that was supposed to be:
805 processor (64 bit)
QHD 5.2 screen
4GB Ram
Most of that would be icing on the cake, but the fact that the S5 stuck with 2GB RAM is really a big reason I'm not jumping on upgrading. Heavy multitasking with a number of apps running is just so sluggish with 2GB RAM.
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3gb isn't really required right now. Android apps are not that advance. Unused RAM is wasted RAM, AOSP always helps with the "sluggish" you speak of
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daxecutioner24 said:
3gb isn't really required right now. Android apps are not that advance. Unused RAM is wasted RAM, AOSP always helps with the "sluggish" you speak of
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daxecutioner24 said:
3gb isn't really required right now. Android apps are not that advance. Unused RAM is wasted RAM, AOSP always helps with the "sluggish" you speak of
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Wish that was the case for me. Even with a full wipe and clean install after about a half a days worth of normal usage my phone constantly is hovering around the max in RAM. I'm constantly having to goto the RAM manager to clear memory, otherwise tasks start to really become hung up in the response time.
Even things like a google search will become so lagged that the working circle just keeps spinning. Once I go and clear memory the search is back to normal like you would expect.
Unfortunately, this solution has to be repeated about every half hour and it's just really a major annoyance that it seems to be in need of more ram as my resources constantly seemed to be pushed to their max.
So why is my phone so slow and not responsive unless I clear the RAM if unused RAM is wasted RAM?
Even with clearing it, the least it will go down to in terms of use is .96GB - and typically shoots right back up to 1.37, 1.42, or 1.44 GB is use within a matter of minutes? !
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lawhawk said:
Wish that was the case for me. Even with a full wipe and clean install after about a half a days worth of normal usage my phone constantly is hovering around the max in RAM. I'm constantly having to goto the RAM manager to clear memory, otherwise tasks start to really become hung up in the response time.
Even things like a google search will become so lagged that the working circle just keeps spinning. Once I go and clear memory the search is back to normal like you would expect.
Unfortunately, this solution has to be repeated about every half hour and it's just really a major annoyance that it seems to be in need of more ram as my resources constantly seemed to be pushed to their max.
So why is my phone so slow and not responsive unless I clear the RAM if unused RAM is wasted RAM?
Even with clearing it, the least it will go down to in terms of use is .96GB - and typically shoots right back up to 1.37, 1.42, or 1.44 GB is use within a matter of minutes? !
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you probably got crapload of bloat running or messengers and stuff in the background
^ indeed. I run apps like crazy and I have no lag.
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lawhawk said:
Wish that was the case for me. Even with a full wipe and clean install after about a half a days worth of normal usage my phone constantly is hovering around the max in RAM. I'm constantly having to goto the RAM manager to clear memory, otherwise tasks start to really become hung up in the response time.
Even things like a google search will become so lagged that the working circle just keeps spinning. Once I go and clear memory the search is back to normal like you would expect.
Unfortunately, this solution has to be repeated about every half hour and it's just really a major annoyance that it seems to be in need of more ram as my resources constantly seemed to be pushed to their max.
So why is my phone so slow and not responsive unless I clear the RAM if unused RAM is wasted RAM?
Even with clearing it, the least it will go down to in terms of use is .96GB - and typically shoots right back up to 1.37, 1.42, or 1.44 GB is use within a matter of minutes? !
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Like people above me said bloatware. Have you even rooted? Or disable apps running in the background? Your never going to win by constantly closing apps ever so often. Let me tell you a secret, they will keep restarting back up. Most users outside of xda won't notice this, meaning almost everyone who buys this phone. Since you come here, when Roms come by, get them!!
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