Hi guys,
Can anyone please clarify this inconsistency of news.
Last month, Samsung tells the media that they have no technological problems in using their Exynos 4 Quad chips in the U.S.A.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2012/03/129_107204.html
``We don’t think there will be big technology-related problems as we have already tested our telecommunications chips in some smartphones and tablets for consumers in North America. Also, Google’s first reference mobile, the Galaxy Nexus, is using Samsung's telecom chips,’’ said the executive.
However, this news this week contradicts of the last month's news.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2012/04/129_109578.html
``Samsung plans to release its Galaxy S III smartphone according to different specifications and different markets. For European consumers, it will use 3G and the company’s own quad-core mobile APs, while its own solution that combines LTE, 3G and quad-core mobile APs will be used for the Korean version. But only in the United States, will Samsung use Qualcomm chips,’’ said one Samsung executive asking not to be identified.
It'll probably have Snapdragon S4 in the United States to work with our LTE, because the carriers here are idiotic.
souleater11 said:
Hi guys,
Can anyone please clarify this inconsistency of news.
Last month, Samsung tells the media that they have no technological problems in using their Exynos 4 Quad chips in the U.S.A.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2012/03/129_107204.html
``We don’t think there will be big technology-related problems as we have already tested our telecommunications chips in some smartphones and tablets for consumers in North America. Also, Google’s first reference mobile, the Galaxy Nexus, is using Samsung's telecom chips,’’ said the executive.
However, this news this week contradicts of the last month's news.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/tech/2012/04/129_109578.html
``Samsung plans to release its Galaxy S III smartphone according to different specifications and different markets. For European consumers, it will use 3G and the company’s own quad-core mobile APs, while its own solution that combines LTE, 3G and quad-core mobile APs will be used for the Korean version. But only in the United States, will Samsung use Qualcomm chips,’’ said one Samsung executive asking not to be identified.
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I think this means that only the LTE version (i9500? i9800?) will use the S4, and the non-LTE version(s) will use an Exynos, similar to the SII/Skyrocket line.
I hoping, anyway...
For the slower people among us, Exynos does not support LTE so any market like The US or Canada that has LTE will be using the S4 Snapdragon chip since Samsung (and Nvidia) for some reason don't have the know-how to integrate LTE. Blaming US carriers is really stupid and ignorant. The dual-core s4 beats the quad-core Tegra 3 in a lot of benchmarks, and has better battery to boot since it is smaller and uses less power, has less cores. The new Exynos is still based on the old A9 core, like the Tegra 3, so expecting it to be leaps and bounds above the Tegra 3, or even significantly better than the S4, which has newer more advanced cores, is also stupid. Being stupid is fine, as long as you aren't directing that stupidity in order to hate something.
katamari201 said:
For the slower people among us, Exynos does not support LTE so any market like The US or Canada that has LTE will be using the S4 Snapdragon chip since Samsung (and Nvidia) for some reason don't have the know-how to integrate LTE. Blaming US carriers is really stupid and ignorant. The dual-core s4 beats the quad-core Tegra 3 in a lot of benchmarks, and has better battery to boot since it is smaller and uses less power, has less cores. The new Exynos is still based on the old A9 core, like the Tegra 3, so expecting it to be leaps and bounds above the Tegra 3, or even significantly better than the S4, which has newer more advanced cores, is also stupid. Being stupid is fine, as long as you aren't directing that stupidity in order to hate something.
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Isn't that completely opposite from some of the news reports?
I'm pretty sure it said exynos with LTE capability will be used in the home market but for the US market, it will lean on Qualcomm once again.
Also Galaxy Tab 7.7 for verizon comes with exynos and LTE capability
ph00ny said:
Isn't that completely opposite from some of the news reports?
I'm pretty sure it said exynos with LTE capability will be used in the home market but for the US market, it will lean on Qualcomm once again.
Also Galaxy Tab 7.7 for verizon comes with exynos and LTE capability
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The LTE that the GS3 supports with its exynos is speculated to only be LTE in countries like Korea, where they use a vastly different spectrum than they do here in the states.
Also: a quick search tells me that the Galaxy Tab 7.7 with LTE is not using a exynos.
degeneration said:
The LTE that the GS3 supports with its exynos is speculated to only be LTE in countries like Korea, where they use a vastly different spectrum than they do here in the states.
Also: a quick search tells me that the Galaxy Tab 7.7 with LTE is not using a exynos.
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lol i have one and it certainly does use Exynos. Initially it was announced with Snapdragon but it was actually released with Exynos
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/21/samsung-galaxy-tab-7-7-review-verizon-wireless-lte/
http://pocketnow.com/android/samsung-galaxy-tab-77-lte-for-verizon-review
ph00ny said:
lol i have one and it certainly does use Exynos. Initially it was announced with Snapdragon but it was actually released with Exynos
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/21/samsung-galaxy-tab-7-7-review-verizon-wireless-lte/
http://pocketnow.com/android/samsung-galaxy-tab-77-lte-for-verizon-review
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Not sure why that is "lol" worthy, but ok.
Anyway, doesn't really matter since they probably won't use the same processor, so it could still lack the capabilities. Again, from the speculations I have read (which are only that), the new soc will only support LTE like that used in Korea, which isn't similar to anything used in the states.
.Arkham said:
I think this means that only the LTE version (i9500? i9800?) will use the S4, and the non-LTE version(s) will use an Exynos, similar to the SII/Skyrocket line.
I hoping, anyway...
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I think we might be getting both Exynos and the S4 chip in Canada. Like what Bell did with the Galaxy S2, they got the non-LTE version first and got the LTE version after.
ph00ny said:
lol i have one and it certainly does use Exynos. Initially it was announced with Snapdragon but it was actually released with Exynos
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/21/samsung-galaxy-tab-7-7-review-verizon-wireless-lte/
http://pocketnow.com/android/samsung-galaxy-tab-77-lte-for-verizon-review
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It uses an Exynos 4 with a separate LTE chip (also made by Qualcomm). The Snapdragon S4 will have embedded LTE support.
The dualcore S4 has higher clock speed, 28nm and is based on the ARM's newer A15. We don't know which is better until there are some reputable benchmark comparison between the two. And this puts a brake on my idea of getting the SIII as soon as its released, because I would like to know how it gauges against S4, performance and battery life, and I don't want to drop $800 on a phone that is not up to par compared to stuff already out (re: Galaxy Nexus).
The s3 is going to be a beast. If it has pentaband like the galaxy nexus. I'll buy besides whats the point of having LTE speeds when data plans are limited. My Galaxy Nexus is plenty fast on tmobile Speeds up to 9mps down and 1.5 mps up. Exynos quad core over snapdragon anyday. I'll be buying the int'l unlocked version.
the Tmo version for AWS 1700 will most likely have the S4 for the qualcommn chip to use the 42Mbps network
the international and USA market will have the regular Exynos version
unless AT&T pulls another goofy release and use S4 also on their LTE version, while releasing a non LTE version on Exynos
like they did when release both SGS2 standard, and SGS2 LTE
katamari201 said:
The new Exynos is still based on the old A9 core, like the Tegra 3, so expecting it to be leaps and bounds above the Tegra 3, or even significantly better than the S4, which has newer more advanced cores, is also stupid.
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With today's announcement of the GSIII, we are starting to see a comparison of performance results between its processor, (presumably) the Exynos Quad 4, and the other big guns which have recently entered the scene, the Snapdragon S4 and Tegra 3. This post is in response to the one quoted above, and relates to the OP in that it is an attempt to clarify the significance of the OP's question. Here are just a few results I've spliced together from a couple of sources.
Quadrant:
1. Samsung GSIII (Exynos Quad 4) @ 5642
2. HTC One XL (S4) @ 4952
3. HTC One X (Tegra 3) @ 4842
SunSpider (lower is better)
1. GSIII @ 1479
2. One XL @ 1608
3. One X @ 1757
BrowserMark
1. GSIII @ 169811
2. One X @ 110038
3. One XL @ 102640
Of course, there are many more benchmarks that are yet to be tried. And, at any rate, nearly all bench apps are notorious for inconsistency, so time will make all this clearer. I expect to see the S4 slaughter the Exynos Quad 4 in something like Linpack, which is simply CPU data I/O, whereas Samsung's Mali-400 GPU will save their reputation whenever graphics are concerned. Regardless of such speculation, the little data that we currently have suggests that the Exynos Quad 4 is not your average A9 chip, and it may well give the earliest released A15 dual-cores a run for their money. Is it really stupid to hope that a highly optimized quad-core A9, which is based on 32nm technology (instead of the normal A9 45nm), and which supports 128-bit instruction (just like the S4), could out-perform a first-release dual-core A15? Well, I suppose I'm just one of those stupid people.
Sites referenced:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_iii_flexes_muscles_on_benchmarks-news-4201.php
http://www.androidauthority.com/htc-one-xl-benchmark-snapdragon-s4-tegra-3-67678/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5779/htc-one-x-for-att-review/4
eksasol said:
It uses an Exynos 4 with a separate LTE chip (also made by Qualcomm). The Snapdragon S4 will have embedded LTE support.
The dualcore S4 has higher clock speed, 28nm and is based on the ARM's newer A15. We don't know which is better until there are some reputable benchmark comparison between the two. And this puts a brake on my idea of getting the SIII as soon as its released, because I would like to know how it gauges against S4, performance and battery life, and I don't want to drop $800 on a phone that is not up to par compared to stuff already out (re: Galaxy Nexus).
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totally agree with you. Only reason to ditch my GS2 for this would be if improvement is not incremental but leap forward.
I predict T-Mo and AT&T version will use S4 because T-Mo requires 42mbps HSPA radio that Samsung can't produce and AT&T wants single radio fall back (LTE to HSPA) of Qualcomm chip.
Since Verizon and Sprint require two separate radio interfaces anyway (CMDA for voice and LTE for data), Exynos 4 will be used for these two variants.
AtlanM87 said:
totally agree with you. Only reason to ditch my GS2 for this would be if improvement is not incremental but leap forward.
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I'm confused how people keep posting stuff like this. Whatever model number is stamped on the internal parts, it obviously crushes the GS2 in benchmarks. There's a thread in this forum with over 30 improvements over it.
How that's even a serious question at this point baffles me.
You can say that you're happy with what you have, and that's a plenty valid opinion. Saying it's not a leap in sheer power is being willfully ignorant of facts.
SG3 on Sprint
foxbat121 said:
I predict T-Mo and AT&T version will use S4 because T-Mo requires 42mbps HSPA radio that Samsung can't produce and AT&T wants single radio fall back (LTE to HSPA) of Qualcomm chip.
Since Verizon and Sprint require two separate radio interfaces anyway (CMDA for voice and LTE for data), Exynos 4 will be used for these two variants.
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I am interested to see what will happen if the SG3 releases on sprint. I know that sprint is doing a network makeover (Network Vision I think it is called). I hear that Samsung is one of the major suppliers for the new 4G LTE equipment that sprint is using to update their network infrastructure. If that is true, then we could easily see a SG3 with they exynos 4 running on sprint. Why would Samsung make equipment for the carriers in the united states and not allow its mobile devices to connect to their equipment?
Another interesting point, LTE release 10 is designed to carry voice as well as data. Sprint Network Vision states that it will be one of the first to have a feature called "HD Voice". I assume that this will be provided by VoLTE(Voice over LTE) This could help sprint (and verizon I guess) get rid of the extra chips in the phones for mulitple band support.
Add all this on top of the plan for sprint to axe its iDEN network (800MHz band) and allocate it to LTE. That should provide way better signal in houses. It sucks to be on sprint now but I think it is going to get really good soon.
I know there is a lot of speculation here but if anyone wants to hear some of the sources where I have read this stuff then let me know and I will post it.
Nick0703 said:
I think we might be getting both Exynos and the S4 chip in Canada. Like what Bell did with the Galaxy S2, they got the non-LTE version first and got the LTE version after.
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I dissagree, I see the announcement on the bell website and it shows the sgs3 with no specs but shows to be HD & LTE so im sure they will do like the note. I had some questions before getting the canadian note with snapdragon 3 over the exynos anf i learned that to my user experience i never encounter anything that made my note lag or cannot do smoothly so i even if worst case senario we get snapdragon 4 it will still be better than the note making me real happy with it.
Btw ill never trade my note for any other phone than the note 2 im just shopping for my girlfriend phone
Send from the Noteorious BIG 5.3" Bell Canada
lurchbyrep said:
With today's announcement of the GSIII, we are starting to see a comparison of performance results between its processor, (presumably) the Exynos Quad 4, and the other big guns which have recently entered the scene, the Snapdragon S4 and Tegra 3. This post is in response to the one quoted above, and relates to the OP in that it is an attempt to clarify the significance of the OP's question. Here are just a few results I've spliced together from a couple of sources.
Quadrant:
1. Samsung GSIII (Exynos Quad 4) @ 5642
2. HTC One XL (S4) @ 4952
3. HTC One X (Tegra 3) @ 4842
SunSpider (lower is better)
1. GSIII @ 1479
2. One XL @ 1608
3. One X @ 1757
BrowserMark
1. GSIII @ 169811
2. One X @ 110038
3. One XL @ 102640
Of course, there are many more benchmarks that are yet to be tried. And, at any rate, nearly all bench apps are notorious for inconsistency, so time will make all this clearer. I expect to see the S4 slaughter the Exynos Quad 4 in something like Linpack, which is simply CPU data I/O, whereas Samsung's Mali-400 GPU will save their reputation whenever graphics are concerned. Regardless of such speculation, the little data that we currently have suggests that the Exynos Quad 4 is not your average A9 chip, and it may well give the earliest released A15 dual-cores a run for their money. Is it really stupid to hope that a highly optimized quad-core A9, which is based on 32nm technology (instead of the normal A9 45nm), and which supports 128-bit instruction (just like the S4), could out-perform a first-release dual-core A15? Well, I suppose I'm just one of those stupid people.
Sites referenced:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_iii_flexes_muscles_on_benchmarks-news-4201.php
http://www.androidauthority.com/htc-one-xl-benchmark-snapdragon-s4-tegra-3-67678/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5779/htc-one-x-for-att-review/4
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Good links,...but One X is running 4.0.3 while Samsung 4.0.4 which is speedier imo so isnt a fair comparison between the two buddy. Wait till both run same version, but ya Samsung optimized the browser very well, so expect Galaxy S3 to continue outperform HTC in browsermark
katamari201 said:
For the slower people among us, Exynos does not support LTE so any market like The US or Canada that has LTE will be using the S4 Snapdragon chip since Samsung (and Nvidia) for some reason don't have the know-how to integrate LTE. Blaming US carriers is really stupid and ignorant. The dual-core s4 beats the quad-core Tegra 3 in a lot of benchmarks, and has better battery to boot since it is smaller and uses less power, has less cores. The new Exynos is still based on the old A9 core, like the Tegra 3, so expecting it to be leaps and bounds above the Tegra 3, or even significantly better than the S4, which has newer more advanced cores, is also stupid. Being stupid is fine, as long as you aren't directing that stupidity in order to hate something.
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I used a tegra 3 hox and compared it to the s4 benchmarks being posted and it beat them quite easily so I disagree with your s4 is better than tegra 3
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Can someone shed some light on this for me? I just don't understand why we get to watch HTC come out with the "amazing" quad core One X just to find out that the U.S. carriers only get the dual core version. And now the exact same thing is happening with the Galaxy SIII.
http://androidspin.com/2012/06/01/t-mobile-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-appears-looks-great/
What is the deal with this? Who/what is preventing the quad core version from being offered by the mobile carriers here in the U.S.? Obviously, we can still go buy the GSM version to solve this but then it's not backed by the carrier and there is little to no warranty options for damage/theft. Plus the price difference is really quite large ($200 on contract vs $700 GSM).
So, what's the deal?
the quad core does not play nice with the LTE radios
essentially not working with Verizon and ATT's LTE 4g
But with T-Mobile running on HSPA+ the quad core should work just fine. Why do T-Mobile customers have to suffer due to their competitors inability to adapt?
sn0warmy said:
But with T-Mobile running on HSPA+ the quad core should work just fine. Why do T-Mobile customers have to suffer due to their competitors inability to adapt?
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I guess that is T-Mobile's decision not to grab the quad core over the dual core.
The international phone will work with ATT 3G and T-Mobile, but does not work for LTE Networks.
So technically ATT & T-Mobile could have opted for the quad core
kls629 said:
I guess that is T-Mobile's decision not to grab the quad core over the dual core.
The international phone will work with ATT 3G and T-Mobile, but does not work for LTE Networks.
So technically ATT & T-Mobile could have opted for the quad core
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Hm, I wonder if it was cheaper for ATT & T-Mobile to go with the dual core from Samsung over the quad core. They probably also didn't feel it was necessary to pay additional for the quad core since their U.S. competitors aren't going to offer it anyway...
Either way it's annoying, but such is life.
Unless I'm mistaken, to make up for the lack of quad core, the USA model gets 2GB ram.
Personally, I think the handset situation in America is terrible, they have to get locked handsets and pay to receive calls. It's appalling, feel sorry for the customers
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Paid £500 for this "Superphone" and it's gonna be fit for the bin when we eventually get 4g, but I guess it's a good way for Samsung to make more money.
Aren't the dual cores used on the USA version a more advanced cpu than the quadies found on the International s3? I have a feeling the difference in performance between the 2 will be negligible
I'm curious about the technical reasons why the quad core doesn't play with the LTE radio. Does the S4 have functions that the Exynos cannot do or is something about more cores bad for the 4G radio?
Edit: Found out why. Qualcomm is the only one with a modem certified for DC-HSPA
Source: http://www.tmonews.com/2012/05/editorial-why-a-snapdragon-s4-galaxy-s-iii-is-awesome/
Michael_P said:
Paid £500 for this "Superphone" and it's gonna be fit for the bin when we eventually get 4g, but I guess it's a good way for Samsung to make more money.
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You should enquire about the JUMP tariff....you get to upgrade every 6 months
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sn0warmy said:
But with T-Mobile running on HSPA+ the quad core should work just fine. Why do T-Mobile customers have to suffer due to their competitors inability to adapt?
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42 Mbps HSPA+ support apparently also requires a Qualcomm radio.
So... Galaxy SIII in Europe comes with quad core processor - or so I've read... Why does the US only get dual core?? Can I use a European SIII on US T-Mobile network if I can get one?
svavrek said:
So... Galaxy SIII in Europe comes with quad core processor - or so I've read... Why does the US only get dual core?? Can I use a European SIII on US T-Mobile network if I can get one?
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The US version has qualcomm chip which supports LTE, the Exynos does not... INTL version has 1GB RAM, and qualcomm has 2GB RAM, yes you can use an unlocked INTL I9300 on T-Mobile but will not get LTE and have less RAM... The trade-offs are up to you...
svavrek said:
So... Galaxy SIII in Europe comes with quad core processor - or so I've read... Why does the US only get dual core?? Can I use a European SIII on US T-Mobile network if I can get one?
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Because the Exynos processor doesn't work with T-Mobile's non-standard 42Mbps on AWS (1700 MHz) and it also doesn't work with the LTE. You can use the international one on T-Mobile but you'll only get EDGE data. If you use it on AT&T though you'll get up to HSPA+ because most of Europe uses the same bands as AT&T (850/1900 MHz). If you want to use international phones, T-Mobile is the worst carrier to be on in terms of data speeds, but they're moving to the same frequency as AT&T, so eventually you'll be able to use it on T-Mobile with up to 21 Mbps.
B-Naughty said:
The qualcomm chip supports LTE, the Exynos does not... INTL version has 1GB RAM, and qualcomm has 2GB RAM, yes you can use an unlocked INTL I9300 on T-Mobile but will not get LTE and have less RAM... The trade-offs are up to you...
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To be fair, the i9300 is a lot faster than the US models. But to be honest, unless you game, you won't notice a different. The 2GB of RAM was a "whoops, my bad" from Samsung for having to switch processors; RAM does not affect performance unless you have too little RAM. Even the Nexus 7 comes with 1GB of RAM. But anyways, it depends how you use your phone. The other big thing is that the US models have the "bug" or "feature" where you might lose your IMEI when flashing anything to the phone, with no chance (so far) to get it back, meaning you'd have to do a warranty swap to get a working phone. The i9300 also gets major updates first. Development, I would say, is about the same for both though.
svavrek said:
So... Galaxy SIII in Europe comes with quad core processor - or so I've read... Why does the US only get dual core?? Can I use a European SIII on US T-Mobile network if I can get one?
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I'll try to reply in a nice way before you get flamed by someone. The quad core version (International) does not support LTE, hence we have the dual core setup which does support LTE. You can use an international device on ATT and T Mobile minus LTE. If I recall correctly you may not even get HSPA + either but I don't know if that is true or not.
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Because the Exynos processor doesn't work with T-Mobile's non-standard 42Mbps on AWS (1700 MHz) and it also doesn't work with the LTE. You can use the international one on T-Mobile but you'll only get EDGE data. If you use it on AT&T though you'll get up to HSPA+ because most of Europe uses the same bands as AT&T (850/1900 MHz). If you want to use international phones, T-Mobile is the worst carrier to be on in terms of data speeds, but they're moving to the same frequency as AT&T, so eventually you'll be able to use it on T-Mobile with up to 21 Mbps.
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Damn you beat me to it.
Damn we be on this one... LOL
Slight correction. There is a quad-core Exynos that supports LTE. Korea got it, but it wasn't completed by the time the US variants were in full production.
The Root said:
Slight correction. There is a quad-core Exynos that supports LTE. Korea got it, but it wasn't completed by the time the US variants were in full production.
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Because the LTE radio is separate from the Exynos SoC. The Exynos itself does not support LTE. Think HTC Thunderbolt. What this results in is horrible battery life. The Galaxy Tab 7.7 did the same thing with the Exynos dual-core, adding a separate LTE radio with the Exynos processor. If you need LTE, you're better off with the Snapdragon S4 (which is no slouch btw). We're at a cell phone generation where all CPU's perform pretty much the same (current gen meaning S4 - Tegra 3 - Exynos Quad) until you really push them. So again, unless you're benchmarking or heavily gaming, you won't notice a difference.
Also, yes you'll get HSPA+ on AT&T (I'm using my i9300 on Straight Talk), but only EDGE on T-Mobile.
Product F(RED) said:
The other big thing is that the US models have the "bug" or "feature" where you might lose your IMEI when flashing anything to the phone, with no chance (so far) to get it back, meaning you'd have to do a warranty swap to get a working phone.
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I'm starting to think even Samsung doesn't have a clue what's really going on with that... or a very ingenius way to sell some phones at full price... Hasn't deterred me any...
B-Naughty said:
I'm starting to think even Samsung doesn't have a clue what's really going on with that... or a very ingenius way to sell some phones at full price... Hasn't deterred me any...
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Samsung supports developers. They gave the entire CyanogenMod team Galaxy S II's when they first came out. They hired Steve Kondik (Cyanogen), and they worked with XDA devs to try and fix the ICS recovery perma-brick issue on the SII, Note, and other phones. It's probably the carriers that messed with the software without knowing what they were doing.
if you haven't heard already from previous posts the USA s3 supports lte and the UK one doesn't and we also have 2gb of ram they do not but they have a quad core chip to even it out and to be fair.
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