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I recently got the photon 4g coming from the evo and sadly I only see like 3 roms. I thought this phone would be more popular and get more attention. Hope I didnt make the wrong phone choice.
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i'm guessing because the unlocked bootloader is killing 4g - and people are waiting until there's a fix for that to start pumping out the roms...
Would you rather have fifteen mediocre ROM choices or a couple good ones? I guess what I'm getting at is what do you want in your ROM? We've got some very talented developers here and have a couple solid, daily ROM's plus kernals. I'm just waiting fora good ICS build to come out.
BTW I don't think you'll regret your decision.
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js11222 said:
I recently got the photon 4g coming from the evo and sadly I only see like 3 roms. I thought this phone would be more popular and get more attention. Hope I didnt make the wrong phone choice.
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First I think that we need to start with the fact that this is a drawn out question that has been brought up a dozen times (try looking). This is a question that will easily piss off several people in the XDA world, especially the seasoned posters. How many ROM's do you need? I also had a EVO and yes there were SEVERAL ROM's however most of the them were slight variations of the same ROM, just with a personal developers twist on it. (by the way - all hail the Developers). In regards to the MoPho, the unlocked bootloader is a issue, however, the MoPho ran better than the EVO fresh out the box. I personally am running CM7 and I can not believe a phone can be this damn responsive, this fast, and this damn awesome. So when you ask the question, Why so few ROMS - try clicking on one of the several links that the website refers you to that shows other people asking the same question. Remeber the golden rule to XDA - search for the answer first!
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I recently got the photon 4g coming from the evo and sadly I only see like 3 roms. I thought this phone would be more popular and get more attention. Hope I didnt make the wrong phone choice.
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Really? Wait, let me get this straight...really?
Its hard to improve a great phone, the evo sucked and needed roms.
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jokersax11 said:
Its hard to improve a great phone, the evo sucked and needed roms.
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Amen to that!!!!
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Because motorola sucks. This phone would have been my last choice but my work gave this to me for free so i can't complain
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No they just dont like modders.
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Because motorola sucks. This phone would have been my last choice but my work gave this to me for free so i can't complain
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frigid said:
Because motorola sucks. This phone would have been my last choice but my work gave this to me for free so i can't complain
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Nice.
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first of all, welcome to the photon community. hope you stay a while.
second, you will find that development has only just picked up heavy in the last month. the same went for the EVO, it takes time to develop.
third, please check out the roms we do have, they are wonderful and if you like CM7, we have that!
Id rather have a great build like CM7 then a million roms that are just a snowflake from being the same thing. few is better to me when it comes to rom builds.
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Because motorola sucks. This phone would have been my last choice but my work gave this to me for free so i can't complain
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Cheap sucker, lol
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Thanx for all the responses. Im looking for a daily,stable,customizable rom with everything working. With the exception of 4g which i dont get where i live anyways. I dont care for blur nor did i for sense. Im good with a solid aosp rom.
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Thanx for all the responses. Im looking for a daily,stable,customizable rom with everything working. With the exception of 4g which i dont get where i live anyways. I dont care for blur nor did i for sense. Im good with a solid aosp rom.
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CM7 all the way
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Just go with Cybik's CM7 port. It is being submitted to Cyanogen for approval, so will be hopefully soon, a fully supported and "blessed" ROM. The lack of 4G is a non-issue for me, no 4G in my area, but would be nice to eventually get it for when I travel.
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million roms that are just a snowflake from being the same thing. few is better to me when it comes to rom builds.
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Agree, except for snowflake part. Each is unique with no two being the same
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Jokers skinny 4g has been good to me, but hope we get a unlocked 4g soon.
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First I think that we need to start with the fact that .... This is a question that will easily piss off several people in the XDA world, especially the seasoned posters.
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I resemble the above remark
Here goes the soapbox (yet again):
js11222, your seemingly harmless question (the title of the thread) wasn't horrible.. however the first post you made in this thread is absurd.....
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I recently got the photon 4g coming from the evo and sadly I only see like 3 roms.
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Sadly ??
js11222 said:
I thought this phone would be more popular and get more attention.
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What was this 'thought' based on ??
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Hope I didnt make the wrong phone choice.
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if your phone choice was based on the 'thought' or 'hope' of a certain number of ROM's or a certain quantity of development then you might want to re-consider the basis by which you make electronics purchases.
And for the love of all that is holy, please research/search before posting and stop insulting the development that we DO have. Obviously you haven't spent any time reading in the fora to make a fair assessment of the status of development for this device yet you are very quick to hop in the general forum and make (what seems to be) a complaint thread.
just sayin'
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ALL ROMs on ALL phones are based on rooted deodex stock, AOSP or porting. 99% of those ROMs are nothing more than minor changes to either stock or AOSP. Almost everything can be done with flashable theme packs.
The remaining 1% are serious rewrites, optimizations or ports. For example, ROMs like CM7, Vaelpak and Synergy are serious coding. Changing the font or color scheme is theming and not a ROM.
Dear daddymikey1975
First off its not my fault your RETARTED second i wasnt putting anyone down and last but not least i was just asking a simple question and not complaining so thats my thought process
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Tmo is going to be testing ICS for the amaze, sensation in the next couple weeks.
Friend is part of the pilot program for them and got a test amaze but hasn't recieved the update yet.
Just figured people would like to know
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How long do you think it will be between testing and release? Weeks or months or no idea?
Screen shots!
Lololol good to hear!!!
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Screen shots!
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If u look at op it says hasn't got update yet they just gave him phone today. It is legit I will report back when I get further info
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Tmo is going to be testing ICS for the amaze, sensation in the next couple weeks.
Friend is part of the pilot program for them and got a test amaze but hasn't recieved the update yet.
Just figured people would like to know
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Hooray! Finally a supported phone for T-mobile!! I had to root my Cliq to get Gingerbread lol
Awesomeness... Saw the word sensation and got excited hehehe.... Thanks for the heads up
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Hooray! Finally a supported phone for T-mobile!! I had to root my Cliq to get Gingerbread lol
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Yeah the good old days when Motorola would delay the eclair for months. Luckily we're getting ICS here
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Jay21fire said:
Tmo is going to be testing ICS for the amaze, sensation in the next couple weeks.
Friend is part of the pilot program for them and got a test amaze but hasn't recieved the update yet.
Just figured people would like to know
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I have no idea if it could help xboarder somehow but can you talk to him maybe giving him the stock rom of ics installed on your friend's amaze could help...
ya if he could pull it for me that would be great
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ya if he could pull it for me that would be great
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X I know we shouldn't ask, but since you closed the ics thread, how is it going?
Used cm9 and also ics the other day, and I gotta say, they are awesome, especially cm9 really impressive. It's not like cm7 which was just ugly IMO
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X I know we shouldn't ask, but since you closed the ics thread, how is it going?
Used cm9 and also ics the other day, and I gotta say, they are awesome, especially cm9 really impressive. It's not like cm7 which was just ugly IMO
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no etas i dont want to here about this anymore and im not working on cm9 sorry cm team hates me
shocker lol.
AJ26T any update?
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shocker lol.
AJ26T any update?
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Not yet will report back when I do
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If one rolls through ill try to pull for you guys just one question i was able to pull everything back on the vibrant using terminal commands will this work on the amaze? S-on gonna cause any issues with retrieving anything? On the vibrant i was able to get kernel and everything so a dev could easily make a flashable odin file and rom after that.
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xboarder56 said:
no etas i dont want to here about this anymore and im not working on cm9 sorry cm team hates me
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Why even bother responding to a seemingly innocent question if you're just going to be rude?
The way you're starting to act towards forum members is disgusting. I can only imagine why the CM team hates you
Also if you used proper punctuation and sentence structure people across the forums will take you more seriously.
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Why even bother responding to a seemingly innocent question if you're just going to be rude?
The way you're starting to act towards forum members is disgusting. I can only imagine why the CM team hates you
Also if you used proper punctuation and sentence structure people across the forums will take you more seriously.
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Dude, if it wasnt for him we would still have had the crapware + no root on our phones, so I believe people here take him seriously enough. Just chill!
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Dude, if it wasnt for him we would still have had the crapware + no root on our phones. So just chill!
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Woot this is so good to hear! Just to be clear is this like Sense themed ICS like i seen on HTCHUB youtube for the Sensation or Galexy Nexus ISC?
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Woot this is so good to hear! Just to be clear is this like Sense themed ICS like i seen on HTCHUB youtube for the Sensation or Galexy Nexus ISC?
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im working on the galaxy nexus ics
rbaruch said:
Why even bother responding to a seemingly innocent question if you're just going to be rude?
The way you're starting to act towards forum members is disgusting. I can only imagine why the CM team hates you
Also if you used proper punctuation and sentence structure people across the forums will take you more seriously.
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shut the f up man this is why im starting to reconsider even working for the amaze
they got pissed at me becuase i proved them wrong in there theroy about the amaze cm7 not being possible
Binary can you take care of this thread
You probably already know this but.....The Sensation has like 1000 roms its ridiculous, but we have the same screen with the same size and resolution, only thing that would be diffrent is BT radio right? Because I just peaked at the Sensation development and I died a little
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You probably already know this but.....The Sensation has like 1000 roms its ridiculous, but we have the same screen with the same size and resolution, only thing that would be diffrent is BT radio right? Because I just peaked at the Sensation development and I died a little
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I have been dying for a while. It must be very hard a lot of the roms want the phone to be S-offed but even then...IDK Its ridiculous the amount of roms i mean i kinda just want a sensation to play with you know?
The only similar parts in both devices are the screens (which are made my different manufactures) but that doesn't matter. its not hard to port a rom just because of screen differences, that's never been a problem. its the internals, the only part that is similar is the cpu/gpu which doesn't really matter either. there is a lot of differences. much different wifi as well
I think there is a thread covering this?
i dont have either of the phones... but i want the amaze because it is better than the sensation 4g, but i want the sensation 4g because of its wide variety or roms.
tough decisions!!!
but yeah roms arent hard to port... theres really only a couple things that you need to make a rom from another device boot on a different device. (i will let the more knowledgeable users take it from here)
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i dont have either of the phones... but i want the amaze because it is better than the sensation 4g, but i want the sensation 4g because of its wide variety or roms.
tough decisions!!!
but yeah roms arent hard to port... theres really only a couple things that you need to make a rom from another device boot on a different device. (i will let the more knowledgeable users take it from here)
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you answered your question yourself "the amaze is a better device". doesn't matter how much better the development is. that's like saying I should get the g1 rather than the amaze because the development is amazing there lol
roms can be really hard to port if you don't have the right information (drivers, radio, etc). yeah, im sure it can be easy to port and boot up but no luck getting it stable so its pointless
Mabey if someone made a tool that was specific for porting sensation roms to the amaze, that would be sexy
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But yea getting it stable is hard, and is the most challenging thing, we have ICS booted and we almost got Sense 4 booted, but they can't be daily drivers so no point in that right now
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Veras1996 said:
But yea getting it stable is hard, and is the most challenging thing, we have ICS booted and we almost got Sense 4 booted, but they can't be daily drivers so no point in that right now
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That depends how desperate you are lol, i just might sacrifice wifi and data gps and everything else that doesn't work for Sense 4 look. Going back to the original days
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That depends how desperate you are lol, i just might sacrifice wifi and data gps and everything else that doesn't work for Sense 4 look. Going back to the original days
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I would sacrifice everything BUT wifi pretty much. that's all I run on
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I would sacrifice everything BUT wifi pretty much. that's all I run on
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True, but I need the camera also if I need to capture something, but BT, and data I could live without
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this has been discussed previously, the sensation is a completely different phone on the inside...EVERYTHING ABOUT THE PHONE is different...porting from sensation to amaze is not even a good ide, they don't use the same hardware at all, ergo they don't use the same drivers, kernel, modules etc....HTC Vivid is the closest phone you will find to the amaze.
It's really not that hard guys, I'm working on one now actually, here's some information on how to do it, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1224311, and theres also dsixda kitchen which make it even easier
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It's really not that hard guys, I'm working on one now actually, here's some information on how to do it, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1224311, and theres also dsixda kitchen which make it even easier
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I knew you could do something like this but doing that is never going to result in a stable Rom
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Actually, mines running really smooth so far, and I am no dev, and don't know a thing about code or programming. I have learned everything from google and xda
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Actually, mines running really smooth so far, and I am no dev, and don't know a thing about code or programming. I have learned everything from google and xda
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What Rom Did you port that's running "Really Smooth"?
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What Rom Did you port that's running "Really Smooth"?
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Wow really, you ask a question, then try someone when they give you an answer, I can see why devs are leaving this place. And what makes you an expert, have you tried, I have everything but WiFi working, if I get that working and get rights to post a port of it, I will
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Wow really, you ask a question, then try someone when they give you an answer, I can see why devs are leaving this place
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Wow really? Thin skin? The guy just asked what ROM you have running smooth... A question you couldn't answer apparently.
If no devs were here to begin with, what do you mean devs are leaving? Are you talking about the ONE dev that was BANNED? Lol. Good luck running your ported ROM on the Amaze... Hope u have a good Kernel guy
In the mean time, man up and thicken that skin. It's not that serious
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I long for the MIUI that I had when I had the Sensation
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Wow really? Thin skin? The guy just asked what ROM you have running smooth... A question you couldn't answer apparently.
If no devs were here to begin with, what do you mean devs are leaving? Are you talking about the ONE dev that was BANNED? Lol. Good luck running your ported ROM on the Amaze... Hope u have a good Kernel guy
In the mean time, man up and thicken that skin. It's not that serious
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Thin skin, at least I have the balls to try, which is more than I see from most people here that just want to complain or ask question without doing there home work first. As for our one dev, that's false, we had others, but stupidity ran them off
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Wow really, you ask a question, then try someone when they give you an answer, I can see why devs are leaving this place. And what makes you an expert, have you tried, I have everything but WiFi working, if I get that working and get rights to post a port of it, I will
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dude calm down, i was just asking what rom you ported that's running smooth, no one has really successively ported a rom to the amaze without it missing something
Im Not an expert thats why i asked
Hey guys, I just came from my old Samsung Epic 4G to the EVO 3D and just wanted to say hello to all the developers,themers,modders, and fellow 3D Owners. I look forward to helping out on here as much as i can!
Welcome to 3d land!
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Welcome to 3d land!
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Thank you I waited my whole life to go to 3d land!!haha
Hello there!
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welcome aboard, mate..
It feels weird being on a stock rom without root and no recovery. I just hope it isn't like my Mytouch 4G when trying to get s=off and root it..
I don't know what the MT4G is like, but there are definitely some hoops to jump through here. I'm using the HTC dev method to unlock, but I'm still S-ON. I use 4ext recovery to flash ROMs, and so far all is well.
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Hey guys, I just came from my old Samsung Epic 4G to the EVO 3D and just wanted to say hello to all the developers,themers,modders, and fellow 3D Owners. I look forward to helping out on here as much as i can!
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Greetings, and hope you enjoy your stay here, in 3D land.
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Greetings, and hope you enjoy your stay here, in 3D land.
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Thank you sir
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I don't know what the MT4G is like, but there are definitely some hoops to jump through here. I'm using the HTC dev method to unlock, but I'm still S-ON. I use 4ext recovery to flash ROMs, and so far all is well.
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Oh I didn't know you can have a recovery and still be S=On.. on the Mytouch it was very difficult to get it off because since I got mine as soon as it came out, their wasn't much development on it but that is very cool to be able to do that
Welcome.
Read thoroughly on how to root and downgrade or if you want to stay S-ON, 4EXT Recovery is the way to go.
Fortunately, I don't have to worry about that. HBOOT 1.4, yea!
welcome
As soon as you root and stuff, I'd recommend flashing a sense 4.0 Rom. It's just so much better than sense 3.0/3.6 IMO
Oh and Welcome!
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As soon as you root and stuff, I'd recommend flashing a sense 4.0 Rom. It's just so much better than sense 3.0/3.6 IMO
Oh and Welcome!
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I recommend against that, especially if you came to 3D Land for the 3D, which no Sense 4.0 ROM has. They don't have 4G either, if you are in a 4G rich area.
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I recommend against that, especially if you came to 3D Land for the 3D, which no Sense 4.0 ROM has. They don't have 4G either, if you are in a 4G rich area.
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Well I've had ICS since April (CM9, AOKP) so I definitely have had my fair taste of the sandwich and I still have yet to root this phone. The 3d is a gimmick and i'm pretty sure I will not use it as much, and Buffalo has no 4G never did so that doesn't matter either lol. Probably going to wait some more until a fully stable and functional sense 4.0, 4.0.4 Rom comes out with all the bugs fixed. At least this will help tame my flashing addiction for now and focus on the EVO's framework and working's and etc etc so I can start porting rom's to this device. That's what i'm hoping to do anyway's Still learning though
Not so new..
Hi guys, i have not really been active on the forums for the last 4 months or so, but I think its time to get into it some more.
I have a knack for finding apps, either paid or removed from market at other sources, so if you are having trouble with finding whatever app it may be let me know and maybe I can help you out.
I am also having a problem of my own that I would really like help with if anyone would. I can not get internet, data, 3g, or mms on my 3d thats been flashed to metro.
Im currently running hboot 1.5 unlocked, s-off, 2.17, rooted. And yes I have tried posting in the forum that the guide was in, but unfortunatly am unable due to less than 10 posts error. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Um, I can't help, but I do want to know what the less than ten posts error is.
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Ten posts error
It says that your account must have more than 10 posts to be able to post in development section.
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It says that your account must have more than 10 posts to be able to post in development section.
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Really? Noobs can't post in development unless they have 10 posts elsewhere?
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Really? Noobs can't post in development unless they have 10 posts elsewhere?
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Ding ding ding! You are correct. Not that big of a problem though. Just find a few general topics you're interested it and post a few times. Done...
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Is there an easy way to port over roms?
There are tons of AOSP and AOKP roms for the different One X devices out there, and yet our development has stalled. There are also quite a few decent sense roms that we havent had a look at yet.
Is there an easy way to port it over? I know they use different radios and all that jazz, but there should be a way to port over the OS and keep the rest of the stuff.
Im willing to take on the task of porting over if there was some tool or directions.
Anyone?
I'd love to see some of those ROMs ported .. try asking the guy who ported over the Pokemon ROM .. Charmeleon
Here is the link -- http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1690531&highlight=pokemon
You likely would need to port from the one xl
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I'm really hoping patience pays off and we get some AOSP love soon. CM7 spoiled me rotten on the OG EVO.
It's in the works for aosp jb. We have at least 3 different roms going for it including Cm10 and miui
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i here that!! we need some roms!! i miss my 3d development is jumpin rite now for them.. im jelly!~
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I'm really hoping patience pays off and we get some AOSP love soon. CM7 spoiled me rotten on the OG EVO.
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I'm with ya, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Yeah, so far I'm disappointed in the lack of development thus far. I know its only been about two months but I see other new phones with so many different options already. Mean ROM, is the only one that stands above the rest so far. If there were actually development going on, wouldn't the devs post some screen
Previews or something? Its way too quiet. I'll wait a few more months but might end up giving this to my wife if development doesn't start kicking off soon. Perhaps everyone jumped to the GS3
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I'm using MeanRom and loving it. Comes with plenty flashable options.
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As stated in other threads, this forum is stilll pretty young. We just gotta be patient and the roms and ports will come. Or just find a one x rom you like and ask your favorite dev to port it. Theyre all pretty cool, chaances are they porbably would when time allows.
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I'm using MeanRom and loving it. Comes with plenty flashable options.
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+1 Meanrom is excellent but is a sense rom.
drlzanej said:
... Or just find a one x rom you like and ask your favorite dev to port it. Theyre all pretty cool, chaances are they porbably would when time allows...
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Thing is, these guys already do so much, and have their hand full with their own ROM's. Which is why id rather do it myself, if that was possible.
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