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Hello dear members
I'd like to ask if an everyday charge will harm my battery.
It's my first week with my phone, and I can't keep my hands off it
As a result, battery runs out every day!! So I charge it...
Will something happen to the battery?
thanks in advance
This phone has a litium ion battery. They don't have a memory effect but in the first time they need some time to become the full potential. So it doesn't matter if you charge the phone every day.
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Thank you so much!!!!
It's a relief
To maintain better battery life it might be a good idea to make sure that u dont fully drain the battery
That shouldn't be a problem the most battery's should have electronic inside to prevent this but I can't guarantee it. You can read also the Wikipedia article about lithium ion batteries it's quite interesting.
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It is better for you to charge daily and often when the battery still has charge and not leave it until the battery is totally flat.
Thanks so much everyone Point taken
I'll never let it fall under 10%.
Well, Battery is average. If it weren't for the 2.3.3 bug, it would rock! In order for it to be normal, I keep ****ting Services.(under Services menu) like Voice talk, SocialHub(which drains a lot of battery) etc
Anyways, thanks to everyone
Sleepycat3 said:
It is better for you to charge daily and often when the battery still has charge and not leave it until the battery is totally flat.
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Isn't it actually opposite, I mean somewhere I heard that if a Full charge is given after a Full drain then the battery gets conditioned (optimized I think), can't remember the source but I do remember the fact.
Sleepycat3 said:
It is better for you to charge daily and often when the battery still has charge and not leave it until the battery is totally flat.
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I'm glad this thread exists. I'm so used to running a battery down to the minimum before charging it that I probably would have been in that habit for my SGS2. I'd actually come here to ask the same question now I've been through my first four or five "full" -> "red" -> "charge to full while off" cycles.
Is it confirmed both from the SGS2 & LION technology point of view to now keep it charged up, even if using only half/quarter charges etc to do so?
My battery is giving me around 40 hours a time so not too bad but I'd like to keep it running as well as I can.......
ithehappy said:
Isn't it actually opposite, I mean somewhere I heard that if a Full charge is given after a Full drain then the battery gets conditioned (optimized I think), can't remember the source but I do remember the fact.
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Nope. Li-ion batteries these days prefer constant top-ups and full drain actually kills it faster. Totally opposite of what people have been taught over years of NiCD battery use that I've got friends who absolutely refuse to charge their iPhones unless it's at 10% or less. Their loss.
ithehappy said:
Isn't it actually opposite, I mean somewhere I heard that if a Full charge is given after a Full drain then the battery gets conditioned (optimized I think), can't remember the source but I do remember the fact.
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No that's only good to do once in a while. Full discharges daily put stress on the cells and wear out li ion batteries quicker.
CarpathianUK said:
I'm glad this thread exists. I'm so used to running a battery down to the minimum before charging it that I probably would have been in that habit for my SGS2. I'd actually come here to ask the same question now I've been through my first four or five "full" -> "red" -> "charge to full while off" cycles.
Is it confirmed both from the SGS2 & LION technology point of view to now keep it charged up, even if using only half/quarter charges etc to do so?
My battery is giving me around 40 hours a time so not too bad but I'd like to keep it running as well as I can.......
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Yes it's common for all lithium ion batteries to charge as often as possible. Its true for all phones on the market today and quite a lot of discussion on this is all around the web.
Also a replacement stock battery for any cell phone today is around 20 dollars, so really you can't do much wrong since its so cheap to buy a new OEM battery replacement.
Thanks for the replies. I think this will catch a few people out so hope the thread doesn't get missed amongst all the other battery ones!
Looks like I'd better change my charging habits!
Hi I have really low battery life even I turn off everything. I play games alot but 4h is just not normal.
I really like to have more battery even if you think its enough because it cost me alot for charging and annoying.
thnxxx
I KNOW THERE A TONS OF SMILAIR QUESTIONS BUT I COULDNT FIND ONE SPECIFIC FOR MY PHONE
I had 4h of gameplay, finished 9MM, battery from 100% down to 10%, so as you can see, games are hard on battery, don't play games so much.
Buy an extra battery, you double your battery life for €8. I bought it here: http://www.e-giftshop.nl/a-25154890...j-accu-ba700-voor-de-sony-xperia-ray-1500-mah
Put screen birghtness as low as pleasant, use stock kernel, or stock based kernel.
And I agree with Madfysh ^
sdk16420 said:
Buy an extra battery, you double your battery life for €8. I bought it here: http://www.e-giftshop.nl/a-25154890...j-accu-ba700-voor-de-sony-xperia-ray-1500-mah
Put screen birghtness as low as pleasant, use stock kernel, or stock based kernel.
And I agree with Madfysh ^
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then I ahve to carry an extra battery everywhere I go...I thinkt hats not handy at all.
But arent there tweaks for optimizing the battery???
And if I go back to stock kernel I have NO recovery mode AND root anymore
you cant boost battery life.
There is no app which can do that.
In my opinion even roms which claim to boost battery life are fake.
You can Root the delete all the pre-installed SE stuff.
Use V6 supercharger
Calibrate you battery (to prevent any bad values-calibration wont increase battery life but will make sure it is at its MAXIMUM_)
Now there are some kernels which use a technique in order to charge your battery even more
example: Your mobile allows the battery to be charged at 100% and then they discharge it to 90% after 10 min.
This kernel will not reduce battery from 100 to 90. What is more it will increase the maximum value from 100% to 110%.
BUT (YES THE HUGE BUT) it can destroy you battery (yes fire or blow up).
So i don't really recommend it.
I wont risk my life or my house either just for 20% more battery
OR EITHER INSTEAD OF DOING ALL THESE...
BUY A BATTERY FROM HERE
http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=neo+v
to tell the truth i never bought a battery from there but i found posts which were saying they are good.
Unfortunately more life time means bigger battery which means for a 3100mAH( the standard battery of neo v is 1500 which means this one lasts x2.08 more time)
or a 3400mAH you will need bigger cover.
Or you can buy the 1700mAH which is not a huge boost(just 13% more) and stay with your current cover.
It is up to you to decide .
martirio3000 said:
you cant boost battery life.
There is no app which can do that.
In my opinion even roms which claim to boost battery life are fake.
You can Root the delete all the pre-installed SE stuff.
Use V6 supercharger
Calibrate you battery (to prevent any bad values-calibration wont increase battery life but will make sure it is at its MAXIMUM_)
Now there are some kernels which use a technique in order to charge your battery even more
example: Your mobile allows the battery to be charged at 100% and then they discharge it to 90% after 10 min.
This kernel will not reduce battery from 100 to 90. What is more it will increase the maximum value from 100% to 110%.
BUT (YES THE HUGE BUT) it can destroy you battery (yes fire or blow up).
So i don't really recommend it.
I wont risk my life or my house either just for 20% more battery
OR EITHER INSTEAD OF DOING ALL THESE...
BUY A BATTERY FROM HERE
http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=neo+v
to tell the truth i never bought a battery from there but i found posts which were saying they are good.
Unfortunately more life time means bigger battery which means for a 3100mAH( the standard battery of neo v is 1500 which means this one lasts x2.08 more time)
or a 3400mAH you will need bigger cover.
Or you can buy the 1700mAH which is not a huge boost(just 13% more) and stay with your current cover.
It is up to you to decide .
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This is what I was looking for, LIFE SAVER!!
But about the supercharger, I read it is for smoother device, DOES IT ALSO OPTIMIZE BATTERY A LITTLE BIT??
And some people say stock kernel is better for battery, is that true? Currently im using riyal's ultima kernel.
martirio3000 said:
Calibrate you battery (to prevent any bad values-calibration wont increase battery life but will make sure it is at its MAXIMUM_)
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Every time when you charge your battery to 100% battery stats got deleted/recreated. So any process of calibration is useless.
martirio3000 said:
Now there are some kernels which use a technique in order to charge your battery even more
example: Your mobile allows the battery to be charged at 100% and then they discharge it to 90% after 10 min.
This kernel will not reduce battery from 100 to 90. What is more it will increase the maximum value from 100% to 110%.
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Your example only happens if you leave your phone on charger(for some time) after it's been filled to 100%, but even then Sony is pretty good in this point, some other manufactures are even worse. I think HTC Evo had biggest problem with that.
Do you understand what happens in that case, and that it's normal, or else you would have fried your battery keeping it on charger.
There is one great post in XDA, showing you how charging goes, try finding it, if I remember where it is, will post it.
Also, please tell me where is that kernel which will charge your batter to 110%, because it's simply a big BS, and a totally useless thing
And another thing, @OP: phone(even if it's smartphone) is not made for gameplay, HD or not HD, it literally kills battery so bear with it.
Only thing you can do is get another battery and risk your phone with some cheap batteries.
i cant find the post(it was on XDA) it was talking about different features of kernels and there was a kernel which was over charging your battery and wasnt reducing it to 90% too.
That way you had A good enough boost but YES a lot of users had problems because the batteries were "FRIED" i saw one which his phone was in smoke and burned at the back cover, someone's else battery died.
Hmm.. Just noticed when my phone says 100% charged its not! If I pull battery & reboot its 96%.. Is this a bug or what??
But does Supercharger REALLY help your battery [little bit]???
And could I destroy my battery if I always has to charge it?? [1x per day]
Im still gonna try calibrating battery but I also think it wont work.
xperiap said:
Hmm.. Just noticed when my phone says 100% charged its not! If I pull battery & reboot its 96%.. Is this a bug or what??
But does Supercharger REALLY help your battery [little bit]???
And could I destroy my battery if I always has to charge it?? [1x per day]
Im still gonna try calibrating battery but I also think it wont work.
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rebooting eats up a LOT of battery power, so thats why it drops to %96 after booting.
Ah yes, here it is: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=871051
xperiap said:
But does Supercharger REALLY help your battery [little bit]???
And could I destroy my battery if I always has to charge it?? [1x per day]
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Supercharger is not about battery
And no, you won't destroy your battery, indeed you will shorten her life, but hey, you are using smartphone, and it's making your life easier, if you will gonna spend time on thinking to much about battery, you're missing the point
X10 mini pro's battery charged aprox. 2X a day, is still live and kicking like first day
I would be more worried about playing games so much, which means, your CPU is high all the time.
Madfysh said:
Ah yes, here it is: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=871051
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Thanku very much for link!!
codephos said:
rebooting eats up a LOT of battery power, so thats why it drops to %96 after booting.
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Hey but does that also happen when I power down my phone, and power on?
xperiap said:
Hey but does that also happen when I power down my phone, and power on?
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Battery and battery percentage calculations are pretty abstract.. don't try to understand it, and don't bash your head so much about it. It's affected by many variables, and it's not 100% correct.
Sometimes shut down/turn on can take few % of your batter, sometimes it won't take a single %. Same as I have examples where my phone was on standby and in 7h didn't spend one single % of batter, while other day it spend 2,3%
Try to undervolt, but carefully.Can you Read threads about that.
jordiluna said:
Try to undervolt, but carefully.Can you Read threads about that.
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I undervolted from 1GHZ to 900MHZ. And why is it 'dangerous'?
Thanks for reply btw!!
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I undervolted from 1GHZ to 900MHZ.
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Underclock and undervolt are not same things.
What you did is underclock.
Madfysh said:
Underclock and undervolt are not same things.
What you did is underclock.
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Hey friend can u plz tell me what the difference is and how to undervolt?
Thnx thnx thxn!!
Hi
I just received my new 2000mAh Samsung replacement battery. When I say "getting the most" from it, I mean get the best performance and prolonging it's life. Now I've read about many myths regarding Li-ion batteries. Some say that upon first use you should do a full discharge and recharge cycles for at least 5 times. Some say that you should never allow it to discharge below 50%.. Some recommend to charge it only when the phone is in shutdown... Some say you should not charge it all the way to 100%...
What do you guys say based on your experience? Does this bat need a full charging cycles? What is considered a full cycle? Is anyone here using this bat? Did you notice any major difference compared to the stock bat?
Thank you for your cooperation
EB10000 said:
Hi
I just received my new 2000mAh Samsung replacement battery. When I say "getting the most" from it, I mean get the best performance and prolonging it's life. Now I've read about many myths regarding Li-ion batteries. Some say that upon first use you should do a full discharge and recharge cycles for at least 5 times. Some say that you should never allow it to discharge below 50%.. Some recommend to charge it only when the phone is in shutdown... Some say you should not charge it all the way to 100%...
What do you guys say based on your experience? Does this bat need a full charging cycles? What is considered a full cycle? Is anyone here using this bat? Did you notice any major difference compared to the stock bat?
Thank you for your cooperation
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Mate there are tons of information regarding battery life here on XDA. In most cases it depends on your ROM and Kernel as well as usage. You can do a search but for starters you can try here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1909996. I personally have the 2000mAh battery and yes there is a very noticeable difference compared to stock battery. It is probably best to fully charge your battery and let it run all the way down for at least 2 cycles. If you want to get more technical and tweak settings you can visit the thread I posted or do a search if this is not what you are looking for.
Just do what I do, don't care. Of course I don't want my phone dead around noon. That's why I use betterbatterystats, I just look for wakelocks and processes which eat up battery. That's it! It obsesses you if you always want to improve. Getting rid of wakelocks and stuff is all you want. Trust me, focus on not caring about the battery, find a ROM you like charge cycle it a few days and battery is fine.
Hey guys
On the weekends I'm usually home and I do use my phone quite a bit..but I'm mostly sitting at my computer doing so.
Is it better for me to keep the phone plugged in or should I be letting it drain? I heard that large drain cycles are not good for the battery and will wear it out faster...I've learnt that with my original Samsung battery...I have an extended one, now.
I've searched around...some people say one thing, others say the opposite...so what's the deal, really?
Thanks,
Elliott
The battery is desinged to be drained, you can always use your device plugged in when you are about to run outta juice.
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Right...but if I'm going to be texting constantly on the phone...is it better to just leave the phone on charge while I'm using it, or keep draining it/charging it back up?
As I said, use it.
If battery is low, just charge it while you do.
Sent from the little guy
Thanks.
Anyone else have any info on this?
Elliott
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There was an article on XDA a while ago about the battery in mobile phones.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1168036
Summary:
It doesnt matter if you keep it plugged in or not. It will do no damage to it.
What you shouldn't do with this kind of battery is draining it to 0% like some people suggest. In fact it is better to keep it charged above 40% to maximize the lifetime of your battery.
Here is also an other thread about it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1914417
Thanks for the threads.
The first and 2nd threads you posted through, seem to contradict each other.
The first thread said
Hence constantly recharging a lithium ion battery does not shorten the battery life more than normal usage would. Avoid letting it sit on empty for too long; instead, keep it charged-up if you can.
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Avoid keeping your battery at 100%: Every source I referenced for this guide said the same thing about keeping your battery at a full capacity, but oranageinks.com explains [...]
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lol, we gotta get a lithium battery Ph.D here
I never let my battery die on me, I only do it once to get rid of fuel gauge (although some say that it fixs it on it own after three days or so) whenever I flash a new ROM.
I always let it frain to 15 % or something like that.
Starholdest said:
Thanks for the threads.
The first and 2nd threads you posted through, seem to contradict each other.
The first thread said
The second thread said:
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It doesnt really contradict each other. They warn you about heat that is bad for your battery when charged to 100%. Keeping your phone at 100% in a hot enviroment does more damage then having it at 40% in the same enviroment. The same applies to running an app that keeps your cpu running constantly thus heating up your phone.. But in normal circumstances it shouldnt do harm.
It sounds like someone is obsessed about their battery not being at 100% all the time.
Charging and discharging your battery shortens it's life. This is the way it was designed.
Chill, it's just a phone, not an artificial heart
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It doesnt really contradict each other. They warn you about heat that is bad for your battery when charged to 100%. Keeping your phone at 100% in a hot enviroment does more damage then having it at 40% in the same enviroment. The same applies to running an app that keeps your cpu running constantly thus heating up your phone.. But in normal circumstances it shouldnt do harm.
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Well I think they clearly contradict each other...one says to keep your battery charged up, the other says not to keep it at 100%...
I understand about the heat degrading batteries...but that's another discussion completely.
Anyone else have any opinion?
f-r said:
It sounds like someone is obsessed about their battery not being at 100% all the time.
Charging and discharging your battery shortens it's life. This is the way it was designed.
Chill, it's just a phone, not an artificial heart
Sent from my digital submersible hovercraft.
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I wouldn't call myself obsessed...I'm just wondering if leaving it plugged in for a good portion of the day will reduce it's life. Because I did that with my original Samsung battery and it's barely usable for me now...just wondering if leaving it plugged in for long periods of time diminished it's life over a year and a half.
I think batteries don't like to be plugged all the time.
For what i've read in the last 4 years nobody knows exactly what's good and what's not for them.
You be the judge.
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Hello everyone, I've been using a oneplus nord for the last three days and the phone is brand new. One thing I noticed is that the battery life is not that great considering it has a 4115Mah so I took a look at Aida64 battery stats when charged to 100% and it looks like the maximum capacity is 3500 Mah. I found this a bit weird since it's impossible that the battery degradated so quick and so much most of all. So I wanted to ask if you re willing to share a screenshot of aida64 of the battery capacity at 100% just to make sure if it's a single device problem or a common issue. Thanks everybody
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Hello everyone, I've been using a oneplus nord for the last three days and the phone is brand new. One thing I noticed is that the battery life is not that great considering it has a 4115Mah so I took a look at Aida64 battery stats when charged to 100% and it looks like the maximum capacity is 3500 Mah. I found this a bit weird since it's impossible that the battery degradated so quick and so much most of all. So I wanted to ask if you re willing to share a screenshot of aida64 of the battery capacity at 100% just to make sure if it's a single device problem or a common issue. Thanks everybody
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I guess you have gotten a defect or the app is reading incorrectly since I just checked on mine and it's 4115mAh
DinethIrusha said:
I guess you have gotten a defect or the app is reading incorrectly since I just checked on mine and it's 4115mAh
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if you could send a screenshot of this parameter at 100% it would be very helpful
shajk-00 said:
if you could send a screenshot of this parameter at 100% it would be very helpful
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Here you go
daniellartey said:
Here you go
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if you look at charge counter it's 3581 mah, way less than the normal capacity
shajk-00 said:
if you look at charge counter it's 3581 mah, way less than the normal capacity
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If you're getting 8-9 hours SOT every cycle I wouldn't worry that much about stats. Those apps can be off, even accubattery needed an update because it couldn't handle the battery of the 8 series.
You tell me lol
Here you go, it's even worse then all of yours
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Here you go, it's even worse then all of yours
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your's is clearly messed up, I'm doing 6 and a half hours of sot max but I'm in dual sim mode with constant roaming also, so Idk really if it's normal or it should perform better
shajk-00 said:
your's is clearly messed up, I'm doing 6 and a half hours of sot max but I'm in dual sim mode with constant roaming also, so Idk really if it's normal or it should perform better
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Mines almost WiFi only, I don't get out much and I don't play graphic intensive games. So if your almost full on data it's not bad imho.
EDIT: you could try accubattery and see if it's more accurate after some charge-decharge cycles?
My is 1396mAh when fully charged. So I googled, and found this:
"On many devices the standard Android Battery API is inadequately implemented, and fails to provide proper charge counter information for the battery. If you want, you can hide the incorrect charge counter information from the Battery page by unchecking the charge counter option in the AIDA64 Settings."
https://forums.aida64.com/topic/6432- charge-counter-is-inaccurate/?tab=comments#comment-27522
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This is mine battery with tracking since first use and charged until 80% at max. Really disappointed.
Tracker31 said:
This is mine battery with tracking since first use and charged until 80% at max. Really disappointed.
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I had roughly the same value. Maybe accubattery isn't reading the values properly? There was an update regarding the 8 series because it couldn't reed the values of "2" batteries. Maybe it's bugged for the Nord too?
Accubattery thinks that my battery is 6879mAh. And that is after several charges. So yeah, I think we can safely assume these number don't mean s****.
I'm testing BatteryGuru now and it shows it right...