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Alright XDA I just got off the phone with Tmobile Android Tech Support and they mentioned that the Vibrant is compatible with the new 4g network that is mid rollout but the phone has to be rooted (done) and new firmware installed (also done, thanks Bionix). Any ideas on how to turn that little feature on?
Wrong section...lol
Anyway, its an automatic thing. The only way you'll see if you are in HSPA+ instead of reg 3G is if you have a Froyo ROM loaded. The only phone (out the box) so far that shows the H is the G2
They're talking about the HSPA+ and our phones aren't capable of HSPA+. They do have HSPA 7.2, so you will see an increase of speed but not the full HSPA+ speeds of the network.
I think someone telling you you stories.
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dav3wash said:
Wrong section...lol
Anyway, its an automatic thing. The only way you'll see if you are in HSPA+ instead of reg 3G is if you have a Froyo ROM loaded. The only phone (out the box) so far that shows the H is the G2
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You can also download mobile signal widget from the market. I have it on my vibrant. It shows E, G, 3g, and H, so even though the phone itself won't show it, the widget does. I myself am getting good speeds with my vibrant. I have hit 6.3 mbs down and 1.6 up sitting at my desk at work.
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would a tmobile rep really tell you that your phone has to be rooted?
Vibrant does not have HSPA+ you get some speed pump if network in your area are HSPA+ but not full 4G speed.
There is some confusion on how T-Mobile is marketing this upgrade. What they are trying to explain is that because the HSPA+ and the HSPA network share resources, that when the serving cell site is upgraded to the fast 50 mbps backhaul fiber for HSPA+ that the HSPA phones like the vibrant will have a faster backhaul connection and should run at much closer to the 7.2 mbps theoretical throughput. Some curernt 3G sites are running at 2 T1's currently which limits your data throughput to 3 mbps due to the backhaul connection. When the site get upgraded to HSPA+ it still has the same 2 T1's but they add an additional fiber connection that is 25 mbps to 50 mbps depending on the providers capabilities.
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You can also download mobile signal widget from the market. I have it on my vibrant. It shows E, G, 3g, and H, so even though the phone itself won't show it, the widget does. I myself am getting good speeds with my vibrant. I have hit 6.3 mbs down and 1.6 up sitting at my desk at work.
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What's the name of the app?
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What I am happy about is that T-Mobile has decided to stop being so damn scared and is actually advertising it as 4G. True, the technology is based on 3G, but the data speeds are actually better than the current 4G implementations. Verizon and sprint did this with their current 3G CDMA networks. When they first launched EVDO it didn't meet the 2mbps required by the 3G standards. That didn't stop them from marketing it as 3G though and eventually the technology caught up.
And the HSPA+ network is not tapped out either. We could soon see 42 mbps on a HSPA+ network.
I will welcome the day when they stop with all the marketing BS and just advertise the prices and speeds. ill take 21 mbps 3G over 6mbps 4G any day.
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What's the name of the app?
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Nevermind I reread your post
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Alright XDA I just got off the phone with Tmobile Android Tech Support and they mentioned that the Vibrant is compatible with the new 4g network that is mid rollout but the phone has to be rooted (done) and new firmware installed (also done, thanks Bionix). Any ideas on how to turn that little feature on?
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As some of the other posters have noted, you were slightly misinformed. T-Mobile's "4G" network is really HSPA+. The Vibrant does not support HSPA+: you cannot get "4G" on the Vibrant because its hardware is not compatible.
However, in those markets that get HSPA+, the regular HSPA speeds should increase—to take advantage of this you do not need to do anything, your phone will automatically handle it for you. The Android version on your device has nothing to do with being able to handle the speed increase.
Some ROMs change the network indicator in the notification bar to show when you are connected to a HSPA network (H) as opposed to a UMTS (3G) one. If you feel that you ought to be getting HSPA network connections, but your phone is only showing "3G", you can verify this yourself by going to "Settings > About phone > Status": there is an entry there that says "Mobile network type", and this will either say GPRS, EDGE, UMTS or HSPA.
Further, why are questions being asking in a development forum? Will a mod please move this to the appropriate location, and will people please start paying attention and posting their questions in the proper location.
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What's the name of the app?
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uh....he said it's called MOBILE SIGNAL WIDGET just search that on the market...lol
They Said It Will Only "Boost" The Internet Speed On Our Phones,
my Roommate has a T-Mobile HTC HD 2 rooted with CM6 and in Orlando, FL he gets the "H" hspa+ and very very fast.
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my Roommate has a T-Mobile HTC HD 2 rooted with CM6 and in Orlando, FL he gets the "H" hspa+ and very very fast.
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The "H" is for HSPA. It doesn't matter if it's "plus" or not. The HD2 is capable of HSPA 7.2 3G speeds, not HSPA+ 3G 4G speeds, but since HSPA+ is simply and upgrade to the existing HSPA 7.2, then not only will HSPA 7.2 phones (like the HD2 and all current T-Mobile Android phones) work on HSPA+ networks, but they will perform closer to the 7.2Mbps maximum possible download speed of HSPA 7.2 technology. However, they will not reach the higher speeds that are possible with phones designed for HSPA+ like the G2.
Short answers:
-Does the Vibrant work on T-Mobile's "4G network" (HSPA+)?
Yes
-Does the Vibrant get better speeds on "4G" than on 3G?
Yes
-Can the Vibrant take full advantage of T-Mobile's "4G data" and achieve speeds beyond what is possible on 3G (HSPA 7.2)?
No
Just want to point out that its hsDpa and hspa+. Hsdpa is up to 7.2, hspa+ is up to 21. None of the t mobile phones tell you which you are on, because it doesn't matter unless you are on a g2 (which still doesn't tell you, just says H either way). It would be nice to know, but a quick speed test will always make it obvious. If your getting over 1.5 down (tmobile 3g max) your on hsdpa.
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Just want to point out that its hsDpa and hspa+. Hsdpa is up to 7.2, hspa+ is up to 21. None of the t mobile phones tell you which you are on, because it doesn't matter unless you are on a g2 (which still doesn't tell you, just says H either way). It would be nice to know, but a quick speed test will always make it obvious. If your getting over 1.5 down (tmobile 3g max) your on hsdpa.
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HSPA is a term used to cover both HSDPA and HSUPA. The "D" is for "download" and the "U" is for "upload". When we're talking about network speeds like 7.2 vs 21, we're usually only talking about download speeds, so strictly speaking we've only been talking about HSDPA for both 7.2 and +.
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HSPA is a term used to cover both HSDPA and HSUPA. The "D" is for "download" and the "U" is for "upload". When we're talking about network speeds like 7.2 vs 21, we're usually only talking about download speeds, so strictly speaking we've only been talking about HSDPA for both 7.2 and +.
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Mostly true. HSPA (High-Speed Packet Access) does consist of both HSDPA (High-Speed Downlink Packet Access) and HSUPA (High-Speed Uplink Packet Access). HSDPA allows for 7.2 Mbps downstream on T-Mobile's US network, although HSDPA can accommodate speeds as high as 14.0 Mbps. HSUPA allows for upstream speeds up to 5.7 Mbps.
Originally, most carriers started with HSDPA, while maintaining the original 384 kbps speeds on the upstream of 3G. For this reason there was a difference between HSDPA and HSPA: HSDPA was used for received faster downloads but still receiving the lower 384 kbps upstream speed; HSPA was used for when the handset was received HSDPA speeds downstream and HSUPA speeds on the upstream.
HSPA+ (Evolved High-Speed Packet Access) allows for up to 56 Mbps downstream and 22 Mbps upstream. T-Mobiles "4G" HSPA+ network is only getting 22 Mbps downstream at present, but it is possible that this could increase.
True 4G service means that 100 Mbps or greater is possible downstream. Sprint's WiMax "4G" network is not true 4G either: it is only rated at 40 Mbps at present, although theoretically it can achieve 1 Gbps.
However, all of this is moot, since the Vibrant (like all other SGS devices at present) does not have a HSPA+ radio, and therefore can only reach a maximum 14.0 Mbps downstream, and 5.7 Mbps upstream. Also, this really does belong in either General or Q&A.
Is anyone with an X10 on at&t getting HSPA speeds?
Im only getting 1.60 d/l and .72 upload
Nope I never got it, I only see 3G logo on my phone, no sign of H
AT&T only supports HSPA ( which HSDPA AND HSUPA) on the iPhone 4 and aircards. It only supports HSDPA on the rest of the smartphone lineup.
With that said, if the X10 supports HSDPA, it should be enabled (despite the 3G icon). Whether or not you actually get HSDPA speeds is dependant on AT&Ts network in your area.
The same thing came up with Samsung Captivate users. I get 2.5Mbps down and 0.4Mbps up on the Samsung Captivate. If we flashed the modem to the vanilla Galaxy S modem, then we get HSUPA speeds (1Mbps+).
So it appears for some strange reason, AT&T chose to have HSUPA disabled.
i am using x10i and right now the icon logo shows "H" when i am connecting t-mobile USA network...
edit: i got average 4000 kbps d/l and average 1600 kbps u/l... again it depends on the area where i am standing....
In Greenville I get upwards of 2Mbps downstream and 2 Mbps upstream depending on location.
I am on ATT and get the "H" on mine. I will do a speed test.
EDIT: Best result out of 3 test:
Up: 160 KB - KiloBytes
Down: 160KB - KiloBytes
I don't think at&t rolled out their HSPA network yet
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Swishaa said:
Is anyone with an X10 on at&t getting HSPA speeds?
Im only getting 1.60 d/l and .72 upload
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I just looked at my Speedtest.net tests on the phone, my network downloads are usually between .88Mbps and 3.51Mbps and my uploads from 0.13 to a high of 4.43Mbps. My signal strength is -89dbm. The high speed is late at night when the ping was only 12ms instead of 200+.
In the area that I live, I use mostly public WiFi. Comcast, TWC and CableVision have agreed to share a wifi network for their cable customers. CV spent $350m to start it. It's almost consistantly 2-3mbps.
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Our O1 is HSDPA 7.2 Mbps acroding to spec sheets but in the settings it shows either GSM or WCDMA. There is no HSDPA.
Is HSDPA included in the GSM settings?
I am getting very low speeds even when it says 3G in the notifications bar so was just wondering.
WCDMA deployments are usually marketed as UMTS.
UMTS networks in many countries have been or are in the process of being upgraded with High Speed Downlink Packet Access (HSDPA), sometimes known as 3.5G.
So the answer to your question is: HSDPA is included in WCDMA settings. Or properly said, it is a feature of the WCDMA connection mode. Your phone supports it. If you get low speeds, then your operator doesn't offer this service in your area. Or at all.
If you have never seen an "H" in your status bar, only "G" or "3G", that't the answer: no such service in your area from your mobile operator.
I actually see H and 3G most of the time with it goin to E(EDGE) or G(GPRS) very rarely.
I was just wondering why it wasn't given in the settings.
And the speeds remain poor. Even at nights, assuming less traffic/users, the speeds rarely rise above 40 KBps. I am not looking for 3.6 Mbps or 7.2 Mbps but atleast speeds in the range of 1Mbps(128KBps) should be there.
Anyway, i guess its my operator that sucks!
Now that number portability has been rolled out here in India its time to switch operators!
Thanks for the reply. Upped that meter a little for ya!
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I was just wondering why it wasn't given in the settings.
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The reason why you don't see HSDPA as an option in your menu is because the WCDMA connection will automatically work at its best: HSDPA if available or 3G otherwise. Low speed even if your phone is connected using HSDPA is definitely your operator's fault.
Glad I was able to shed some light on this matter and thanks for the appreciation.
Hii all
I'm from India, using Sony Ericsson Mini pro (u20i) and still in Airtel 2G and here Telecom Operators just started to roll out 3G services. Currently Airtel, Vodafone and TATA Docomo providing 3G services here.
I checked my handset compatibility both in Airtel and Vodafone websites. According to them my Mini Pro is 3G enabled but based on WCDMA technology so i get low speed 3G upto 384kbps. So they are suggesting me to upgrade HSPA enabled handsets that supports higher speed 3G that varies from 14mbps to 21mbps. I have been told that 3g on WCDMA really sucks as compared to HSPA enabled handsets.
According to Tata Docomo which provides HSPA + (also dubbed as 3.5G+) service and as they mentioning in their 3G handset compatibility list that Mini pro supports HSPA and it is a superior 3G ready handset. Sony Ericsson Indian website also states that it has Turbo 3G and HSPA enabled. Even in my handset box it has clearly mentioned that handset has HSPA and Turbo 3G.
Now in the handset settings menu, there is an option to select network mode which only gives only 3 options that is WCDMA only, GSM only and GSM/WCDMA.
So which one is true? Is my Mini Pro HSPA ready handset or only supports WCDMA? What Sony Ericsson and Tata Docomo states is true? or Airtel and Vodafone? Which Sim to buy? Im in great confusion. Please help in this regard.
it is HSPA ready. in spain, with vodafone i get the H icon of HSPA
Its hspa bro..im using mini pro nd while using mtnl hspa I got 3 mbps speed...our handset supports upto 7 mbps speed I think...
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Yeah it IS HSPA enabled, it uses it by default usually, which adds to the miserable battery life if there is no 3g or HSPA signal available, as it continually scans, looking for it.
Mine actually uses HSPA by default, dropping to 3g when the signal is poor and down to G when it loses 3g altogether. (H, 3g, G respectivly).
Rooted phones can also have the full power of the connectivity chip unlocked to achieve up to 8mbps depending on provider and reception etc.
I'm with O2 UK
Quickly knowing your phone is via its signal which either H, E or G on top of the signal strength bars. Mine usually showing H.
I think they goes like this:
H - HSPA
E - Edge
G - 2G or GPRS
Thank u all for clearing my doubts. Got relief now. Really appreciated your help.
what about the mini?
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Rooted phones can also have the full power of the connectivity chip unlocked to achieve up to 8mbps depending on provider and reception etc.
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Excuse me? What aside from 802.11n support (which has nothing to do with mobile provider) can be "unlocked" in a rooted phone?
death_syndrome said:
what about the mini?
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LOL, Mini and Mini Pro hardware is identical in almost every way. In short, yes.
New I-9300 owner here on AT&T. I noticed today that my phone says HSDPA in network settings. Is this the same thing as HSPA+? Do I need to change some settings someplace? I am temporarily in small town, so hard to tell from speed tests -- best I have seen so far is 2704 down.
Thanks for your help!
Another thing I can't figure out is how to choose an APN. I set up one to match my GS2, but after I select it, it switches itself back to one AT&T set up. ???
There is no such thing as HSPA in technology - only HSUPA (HSPA Upload) and HSDPA (HSPA Download) - which are cooperative but not necessary for each other.
Sounds as if the Apn failed, so it tries the other ones. An easy method is to delete the other APN's and hope it understands what you want
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There is no such thing as HSPA in technology - only HSUPA (HSPA Upload) and HSDPA (HSPA Download) - which are cooperative but not necessary for each other.
Sounds as if the Apn failed, so it tries the other ones. An easy method is to delete the other APN's and hope it understands what you want
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I don't think your statement that "there is no such thing as HSPA" is correct.
The Samsung PDF user manual for the I747 lists both HSPA and HSPA+ where it explains the 4G icons, and I have personally seen both HSPA:11 and HSPAP:15 on my device by looking at Status > Mobile network type.
dutch55 said:
I don't think your statement that "there is no such thing as HSPA" is correct.
The Samsung PDF user manual for the I747 lists both HSPA and HSPA+ where it explains the 4G icons, and I have personally seen both HSPA:11 and HSPAP:15 on my device by looking at Status > Mobile network type.
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I know this is an older thread, but I was just reading this support document yesterday:
http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-4987
Data services
HSPA (high speed packet access) is actually two different components. HSDPA (downlink) and HSUPA (uplink). Like our 3G voice services, HSPA is WCDMA based, so the same improvements to efficiency and bandwidth are seen here.
HSPA has a maximum download speed of 14 Mbps.
Customers on 3G can use voice and data services simultaneously.
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http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-4988
This page provides an overview of HSPA+, which is the technology T-Mobile uses for our 4G network.
HSPA+ is an enhancement of T-Mobile's 3G HSPA technology.
It offers data faster speeds but requires the necessary backhaul is in place (backhaul refers to the pipe that connects our towers to the Internet).
All 3G sites are already using HSPA+ technology but they are referred to as 3G until that backhaul is there to support the faster speeds.
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KYT said:
I know this is an older thread, but I was just reading this support document yesterday:
http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-4987
http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-4988
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Dunno.
My phone has (in order of speed)
3G
H (HSDPA)
H+ (HSPA+)
It doesn't do 2G on my network.
So I assume that H is actually just HSPA.
I've seen the following marks on my S3 (International 16GB, Stock 4.1.2).
G
E
3G
H
H+
G is barely usable. Like 0.02mb down, ping over 1000.
Cool_of_Finland said:
I've seen the following marks on my S3 (International 16GB, Stock 4.1.2).
G
E
3G
H
H+
G is barely usable. Like 0.02mb down, ping over 1000.
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Im living in Portugal and i have the same question. Normally i have E or H. When im talking appears 3G...
Im using I9300 and 2G+3G.
Tks!
G is GPRS, E is EDGE
BaronInkjet said:
New I-9300 owner here on AT&T. I noticed today that my phone says HSDPA in network settings. Is this the same thing as HSPA+? Do I need to change some settings someplace? I am temporarily in small town, so hard to tell from speed tests -- best I have seen so far is 2704 down.
Thanks for your help!
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If you really want to know these will explain it all in full
HSPA+
HSDPA
HSDPA download speeds up to 42mbps where HSPA+ has download speeds up to 337mbps with release 11, 168mbps with earlier release 7
E - edge = slowest
G - gprs = slow
3G = "normal" speeds
H - HSDPA = Faster download speeds
H+ - HSPA+ = Fastest speed on the S3
4G = 3 times as fast as 3G, only on LTE version
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Donald K. said:
E - edge = slowest
G - gprs = slow
3G = "normal" speeds
H - HSDPA = Faster download speeds
H+ - HSPA+ = Fastest speed on the S3
4G = 3 times as fast as 3G, only on LTE version
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Edge is faster that GPRS. GPRS is 2G. Edge is 2.5G
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Edge is faster that GPRS. GPRS is 2G. Edge is 2.5G
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Oh sorry my fault!
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No problem. Lets hope none of us have to use gprs or edge anyway
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