Seriously...I want USB audio support for my damn phone already... Do I really have to sell my galaxy note, and get a damn iphone for this feature that should've been here YEARS AGO?
Our phones have the worst DSP/DAC ever...
Every post I have seen of yours has just been *****ing and moaning about this phone... not once have I seen a productive/informative/helpful post from you.
why don't you just sell it already and go back to drinking apple koolaid then?
LOL
Why not just use a 3.5 mm aux wire for music and leave the usb for charging in the car? Problem solved. Although, you would have to change tracks on the phone instead of the car's head unit. There are requests to google since a year ago, we might see it in Jellybean.
I agree, *****ing and moaning wont do much. If you cant stand having this device, sell it and get something else.
-Once you go NOTE, you'd say 4 inches a Joke
go bluetooth bro. it works awesomely
Explain how I said everything about the phone sucks?
Btw, I'm an audiophile. The DAC in our phone garbage. How is it so much to ask for a USB external DAC option for my phone? Iphones had this feature before they had MMS. You say i drjnk Apple koolaid whdn i sold m iPad to get this phone?? SAMSUNG's specs said this phone had USB HOST 2.0... I bought it thinking that I'd be able to use a USB DAC with ICS which was shpposed to be released for our phone MONTHS AGO. Is Apple se, retly paying google to not have USB DACs available for android? How am i supposed to have use my hifi audio systems with my phone? And dont say bluetooth because bluetooth is not HiFi. The 3.5 mm is not an option because it cannot be a line out. Honestly, i wish we had an optical TOSLINK imside our headphone jack, which would solve my problem. This is retarded that we dont have this simple feature.
Btw this is the only thing that really would make buying this phone a dealbreaker for me. I cant ever go back to Apple but I'd like to have my phone have the ABILITY to produce lossless audio and do NOT tell me how MP3 isn't lossless because i know this. I plan on acessing VLC flac files from my home network in the future.
This is in the top 10 issues of google's entire list and they respond by saying basically if someone codes it for them then they might look i to it. They MIGHT... Are you kidding? Most audiophiles who have iphone would switch over for a droid and USB DAC in a heartbeat. Apple would lose a couple hundred thousand customers for writing a few lines of code for ICS...
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To answer the subject line, it hasn't been coded yet.
Sent from my awesome-ass Note
I have the same issues with the phone as you. There are things I love about the iPhone and there are things I love about the Note. The Note wins for now.
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Explain how I said everything about the phone sucks?
Btw, I'm an audiophile. The DAC in our phone garbage. How is it so much to ask for a USB external DAC option for my phone? Iphones had this feature before they had MMS. You say i drjnk Apple koolaid whdn i sold m iPad to get this phone?? SAMSUNG's specs said this phone had USB HOST 2.0... I bought it thinking that I'd be able to use a USB DAC with ICS which was shpposed to be released for our phone MONTHS AGO. Is Apple se, retly paying google to not have USB DACs available for android? How am i supposed to have use my hifi audio systems with my phone? And dont say bluetooth because bluetooth is not HiFi. The 3.5 mm is not an option because it cannot be a line out. Honestly, i wish we had an optical TOSLINK imside our headphone jack, which would solve my problem. This is retarded that we dont have this simple feature.
Btw this is the only thing that really would make buying this phone a dealbreaker for me. I cant ever go back to Apple but I'd like to have my phone have the ABILITY to produce lossless audio and do NOT tell me how MP3 isn't lossless because i know this. I plan on acessing VLC flac files from my home network in the future.
This is in the top 10 issues of google's entire list and they respond by saying basically if someone codes it for them then they might look i to it. They MIGHT... Are you kidding? Most audiophiles who have iphone would switch over for a droid and USB DAC in a heartbeat. Apple would lose a couple hundred thousand customers for writing a few lines of code for ICS...
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Since Google wont code it, Your only option now is to get an iPhone. Best of Luck to ya.
-Once you go NOTE, you'd say 4 inches a Joke
http://www.talkandroid.com/guides/droid/ipod-dock-adapter-for-motorola-droidmilestone/
Besides a DIY project, may try the MHL-microHDMI link to and audio input. Most manufacturers don't seem interested in making anything but apple's 30pin audio components. My Pioneer Dual Din Bluetooth Car Stereo has a USB out the works with Note. Have to use the phone to control it though.
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Sell it and shut the effin up already and quit wasting space on this forum
I love my Note, but I keep an old ipod permanently connected in my car just for music. And I have my old iphone 3G, which is only worth $50 at best, is attached to my hi-fi system at home.
Who says you have to do everything with one device? If the Note doesn't do what you want, keep your note and buy something else to do the other job. Just my $0.02.
i'm no genius - but doesn't the MHL adapter provide HDMI audio out?
wouldn't that imply that you CAN get HiFi audio out to your AVR or amp ?
then again, what do i know
If you are this anal about high end sound use store bought CDs. That or a record player and you won't need a DAC.
I love audio way more than anyone I know and I stream blue tooth audio from my phone.. Is it the best sound? No but it gets the job done. If you want high end you need to right equipment. Sadly the Galaxy note doesn't currently have the ability to do this.
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What pisses me off is the only thing stopping the note from doing this is a few lines of code for USB audio.
And the note doesn't even support HDMI audio out..
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What pisses me off is the only thing stopping the note from doing this is a few lines of code for USB audio.
And the note doesn't even support HDMI audio out..
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Few lines of code? Hahaha. Yes, just a few lines, that's all...
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How am i supposed to have use my hifi audio systems with my phone? And dont say bluetooth because bluetooth is not HiFi.
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Not really correct. Using the original BT compression algorithm, SBC, you get the equivalent of a high-bitrate MP3 - a maximum of 768kbit/s shared between channels and overhead so probably closer to a 256 MP3. There is a newer compression algorithm apt-X which provides lower latency and even higher quality at 384kbit/s. Overhead isn't included in that bitrate so that is the actual throughput on the audio channels. Not lossless (if that is your definition of "HiFi"), but you would have to do a side-by-side comparison to nitpick out the very minor differences.
The 3.5 mm is not an option because it cannot be a line out.
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Incorrect. The voltage levels between the mini plug and line out are compatible. Keep the volume down a bit to keep the voltage down and you are fine.
Honestly, i wish we had an optical TOSLINK imside our headphone jack, which would solve my problem.
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TOSLINK on a phone. Right. NEXT!
My Onkyo TX-NR616 Receiver plays off my notes usb cord just fine. Just go into USB Storage Mode.
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My Onkyo TX-NR616 Receiver plays off my notes usb cord just fine. Just go into USB Storage Mode.
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I will confirm this works for my Pioneer and Jensen HU's in my vehicles, as well as my XBOX360. Only downfall is you have to use your audio device to choose your tracks. It gets the job done.
Sounds like OP needs a custom Bose system for his car, and a Galaxy iNote.
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Few lines of code? Hahaha. Yes, just a few lines, that's all...
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It may have been a bit of an understatement, but considering that windows is something like 62 million lines of code, a simple driver for enabling usb audio when we already have USB host 2.0 wouldn't be very much in comparison, when it should have been implemented in the first place..
Honestly, if anyone gets full linux to ever work on the note, I'm going to use that and never look back if USB audio works with it, and has s-pen support to control the mouse. I'm pretty sure that would happen LONG before android ever gets universal usb audio.
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Not really correct. Using the original BT compression algorithm, SBC, you get the equivalent of a high-bitrate MP3 - a maximum of 768kbit/s shared between channels and overhead so probably closer to a 256 MP3. There is a newer compression algorithm apt-X which provides lower latency and even higher quality at 384kbit/s. Overhead isn't included in that bitrate so that is the actual throughput on the audio channels. Not lossless (if that is your definition of "HiFi"), but you would have to do a side-by-side comparison to nitpick out the very minor differences.
Incorrect. The voltage levels between the mini plug and line out are compatible. Keep the volume down a bit to keep the voltage down and you are fine.
TOSLINK on a phone. Right. NEXT!
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I actually thought that bluetooth audio had less bitrate, but I want the capability for lossless audio streaming from my home network using FLAC files, and the ability to watch blu ray stored on my pc over LTE would be badass as well, without audio comprimise.
Integrating TOSLINK hidden inside our headphone jack isn't has hard as you think. Many RCA and 3.5mm connectors have toslink hidden inside them from laptops and other devices, my sound card has it in the RCA SPDIF out. All they would need to do is make a proprietary android plastic mold adapter which being slightly different shaped than a headphone jack, would activate the TOSLINK switch inside the headphone jack and allow it to be on only by plugging the proprietary adapter inside, saving battery. TOSLINK can't be affected by EMF interuption. If this started happening, many things in the mobile market would change. Apple would lose hundreds of thousands of customers from the audio quality standpoint alone, more audiophiles would emerge from everywhere. Speaker development would increase exponentially. Hifi iPod docks would include TOSLINK. High end headphones would start coming with portable amps with Line Out, TOSLINK, and other options. It would be the easiest way to connect to a home theater system for high end audio. more people would be making their desktops a home server with all the audio stored on it able to stream over LTE. More people would be interested in FLAC and better bitrates. OTher companies would be profiting, driving BOSE into the ground. Companies like JMLAB, Legacy, Theil, Velodyne, Celestian, PSB, Focal, and many other high end companies who deserve more market.
I think it's a little stupid that on a device with a screen as nice as ours, we have little to no audio options available, when audio should have been the first concern in order to manipulate the market. Almost nobody who owns our phone even realizes just how good the display actually is. The black levels on our screen surpass almost any TV ever made, even if the colors aren't perfect. For example, I have a 55 inch 720p Sony Rear projection triple LCD panel tv with less pixels then my phone screen. The black levels on the phone DESTROY my tv, even if the colors aren't near as good on the phone, for cinema, it looks way better a foot from my face than optimal viewing distance with the HDTV. and, the colors on the HDTV surpass that of ANY "LED" tv you will see scamming the market today. They are LED backlit garbage twisted nematic LCD panels with terrible color accuracy.The sony has almost as good colors as my $700 Gateway FPD2485W professional S-IPS photo editing monitor actually, but still not quite. despite this, the phone still looks way better because of the black levels and sharpness, brightness and overall quality of the screen. I think Samsung solved the color problems with SuperAMOLED Plus with a different sub pixel layout amongst other improvemnts
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I will confirm this works for my Pioneer and Jensen HU's in my vehicles, as well as my XBOX360. Only downfall is you have to use your audio device to choose your tracks. It gets the job done.
Sounds like OP needs a custom Bose system for his car, and a Galaxy iNote.
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Do not ever plague my posts saying insinuating that I'm a BOSE or Apple fanboy. I am a fanboy of nothing, besides maybe the Dodge Viper. My car sound system might've only cost me $350, from amazing creigslist deals, but it'd run me over $1200 everything brand new with a shop install. I might only have cheap polk 5.25" paper cone door speakers with only 45 watts RMS but they have 93db efficiency which is outstanding for the size, and swivel mount silk domes for clarity. my Alpine 6x9 in the back also have silk domes, and my Alpine 12" kevlar reinforced pulp cone subs might only be 400 watts RMS,but they sound damn clean for the price I stole them for off creigslist, and the custom box they're in is well enough built that even being a vented dual 12" box, if you physically tap on one woofer, the other moves like a well built passive radiator. The component speakers are driven from an MB Quart RA4200 100x4 RMS 0.5% THD amp, which is when rockford fosgate owned MB Quart, and had some quality stuff.
Then again, my home system is better, and while I only have a surround sound system comprised of my HTPC using analogue out from my Auzentech X-FI Home Theater HD, which is one of the best cards ever made for it's purpose, a few 5" Kevlar woofer, Class AB active 1" Silk dome M-Audio BX5a studio monitors, they definitely have clarity. but, my Velodyne ULD 18 is what brings my theater together. You may not understand this, or understand why, but an 18 inch woofer producing [email protected] 20Hz with 0.5% THD (Total Harmonic Distortion) with under a QUARTER INCH of excursion, using a standard tar reinforced pulp cone woofer, with a servo attached to it to achieve this, is no easy feat considering the sub was made before I was born, in 1989. It was the first subwoofer ever to get a class A stereophile review. not only that, but it's flat down to 14Hz and will still push over 120db @ 20Hz with well under 3% THD. This is impressive for using only a 400 watt Class B servo amplifier. The bass quality of my theater makes my car sub which people seem to think is amazing hearing it sound like complete garbage. it makes my sudio monitors look like garbage, and anything bose has ever made sound like garbage, and it's the only piece of audio equipment I will claim to be true quality, everything else, I consider mediocre, because I can't afford a $4,000 pair of ATC bookshelves, or a $30,000 pair of JMLAB Utoptias..
But for the price I paid, I got decent enough quality, and my headphones I use (Sennheiser CX6 for fidelity, Vmoda Crossfade LP for soundstage and bass/electronic music), you can't ever tell me BOSE is quality. Maybe the BOSE 301's are good, I don't know for sure, haven't head them, but everything BOSE Iv'e ever heard was garbage for the money, and I had the tri port headphones, I had the quiet comfort 3's both as a gift. I'd never pay for anything bose has ever currently made, but who knows, Ford finally made something awesome with the new mustangs, I could change my mind eventually.
Point is, I mostly know what I'm doing with audio. As an Audiophile, I can say for a fact, Apple has a lot of loyal customers because of the audio options, Iv'e had 3 Iphones, the original as a hand me down which was broken (I'm extremely grateful for that because of the grandfather clause), the Iphone 4 as a gift before I ever cared about having a nice phone, and the 4S I traded my atrix for and couldn't stand using it once I knew what I was missing, despite the ease it was connecting to my head unit. The lack of navigation really pissed me off, the interface and texting pissed me off, the tiny screen pissed me off. I ended up deciding to sell the iphone and ipad to get this Galaxy note, which was worth it in every aspect except the terrible audio options available and the fact Samsung ripped us off on ICS release.
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Pretty crappy for my standards but w/e
Ehh, only really good piece of equipment in these pics is my good 24" monitor, and my Velodyne ULD18, and they are kind of old but I don't have any good new pics..
c0reyl said:
It may have been a bit of an understatement, but considering that windows is something like 62 million lines of code, a simple driver for enabling usb audio when we already have USB host 2.0 wouldn't be very much in comparison, when it should have been implemented in the first place..
Honestly, if anyone gets full linux to ever work on the note, I'm going to use that and never look back if USB audio works with it, and has s-pen support to control the mouse. I'm pretty sure that would happen LONG before android ever gets universal usb audio.
I actually thought that bluetooth audio had less bitrate, but I want the capability for lossless audio streaming from my home network using FLAC files, and the ability to watch blu ray stored on my pc over LTE would be badass as well, without audio comprimise.
Integrating TOSLINK hidden inside our headphone jack isn't has hard as you think. Many RCA and 3.5mm connectors have toslink hidden inside them from laptops and other devices, my sound card has it in the RCA SPDIF out. All they would need to do is make a proprietary android plastic mold adapter which being slightly different chaped than a headphone jack, would activate the TOSLINK switch inside the headphone jack and allow it to be on only by plugging the proprietary adapter inside, saving battery. TOSLINK can't be affected by EMF interuption. If this started happening, many things in the mobile market would change. Apple would lose hundreds of thousands of customers from the audio quality standpoint alone, more audiophiles would emerge from everywhere. Speaker development would increase exponentially. Hifi iPod docks would include TOSLINK. High end headphones would start coming with portable amps with Line Out, TOSLINK, and other options. It would be the easiest way to connect to a home theater system for high end audio. more people would be making their desktops a home server with all the audio stored on it able to stream over LTE. More people would be interested in FLAC and better bitrates. OTher companies would be profiting, driving BOSE into the ground. Companies like JMLAB, Legacy, Theil, Velodyne, Celestian, PSB, Focal, and many other high end companies who deserve more market.
I think it's a little stupid that on a device with a screen as nice as ours, we have little to no audio options available, when audio should have been the first concern in order to manipulate the market. Almost nobody who owns our phone even realizes just how good the display actually is. The black levels on our screen surpass almost any TV ever made, even if the colors aren't perfect. For example, I have a 55 inch 720p Sony Rear projection triple LCD panel tv with less pixels then my phone screen. The black levels on the phone DESTROY my tv, even if the colors aren't near as good on the phone, for cinema, it looks way better a foot from my face than optimal viewing distance with the HDTV. and, the colors on the HDTV surpass that of ANY "LED" tv you will see scamming the market today. They are LED backlit garbage twisted nematic LCD panels with terrible color accuracy.The sony has almost as good colors as my $700 Gateway FPD2485W professional S-IPS photo editing monitor actually, but still not quite. despite this, the phone still looks way better because of the black levels and sharpness, brightness and overall quality of the screen. I think Samsung solved the color problems with SuperAMOLED Plus with a different sub pixel layout amongst other improvemnts
Do not ever plague my posts saying insinuating that I'm a BOSE or Apple fanboy. I am a fanboy of nothing, besides maybe the Dodge Viper. My car sound system might've only cost me $350, from amazing creigslist deals, but it'd run me over $1200 everything brand new with a shop install. I might only have cheap polk 5.25" paper cone door speakers with only 45 watts RMS but they have 93db efficiency which is outstanding for the size, and swivel mount silk domes for clarity. my Alpine 6x9 in the back also have silk domes, and my Alpine 12" kevlar reinforced pulp cone subs might only be 400 watts RMS,but they sound damn clean for the price I stole them for off creigslist, and the custom box they're in is well enough built that even being a vented dual 12" box, if you physically tap on one woofer, the other moves like a well built passive radiator. The component speakers are driven from an MB Quart RA4200 100x4 RMS 0.5% THD amp, which is when rockford fosgate owned MB Quart, and had some quality stuff.
Then again, my home system is better, and while I only have a surround sound system comprised of my HTPC using analogue out from my Auzentech X-FI Home Theater HD, which is one of the best cards ever made for it's purpose, a few 5" Kevlar woofer, Class AB active 1" Silk dome M-Audio BX5a studio monitors, they definitely have clarity. but, my Velodyne ULD 18 is what brings my theater together. You may not understand this, or understand why, but an 18 inch woofer producing [email protected] 20Hz with 0.5% THD (Total Harmonic Distortion) with under a QUARTER INCH of excursion, using a standard tar reinforced pulp cone woofer, with a servo attached to it to achieve this, is no easy feat considering the sub was made before I was born, in 1989. It was the first subwoofer ever to get a class A stereophile review. not only that, but it's flat down to 14Hz and will still push over 120db @ 20Hz with well under 3% THD. This is impressive for using only a 400 watt Class B servo amplifier. The bass quality of my theater makes my car sub which people seem to think is amazing hearing it sound like complete garbage. it makes my sudio monitors look like garbage, and anything bose has ever made sound like garbage, and it's the only piece of audio equipment I will claim to be true quality, everything else, I consider mediocre, because I can't afford a $4,000 pair of ATC bookshelves, or a $30,000 pair of JMLAB Utoptias..
But for the price I paid, I got decent enough quality, and my headphones I use (Sennheiser CX6 for fidelity, Vmoda Crossfade LP for soundstage and bass/electronic music), you can't ever tell me BOSE is quality. Maybe the BOSE 301's are good, I don't know for sure, haven't head them, but everything BOSE Iv'e ever heard was garbage for the money, and I had the tri port headphones, I had the quiet comfort 3's both as a gift. I'd never pay for anything bose has ever currently made, but who knows, Ford finally made something awesome with the new mustangs, I could change my mind eventually.
Point is, I mostly know what I'm doing with audio. As an Audiophile, I can say for a fact, Apple has a lot of loyal customers because of the audio options, Iv'e had 3 Iphones, the original as a hand me down which was broken (I'm extremely grateful for that because of the grandfather clause), the Iphone 4 as a gift before I ever cared about having a nice phone, and the 4S I traded my atrix for and couldn't stand using it once I knew what I was missing, despite the ease it was connecting to my head unit. The lack of navigation really pissed me off, the interface and texting pissed me off, the tiny screen pissed me off. I ended up deciding to sell the iphone and ipad to get this Galaxy note, which was worth it in every aspect except the terrible audio options available and the fact Samsung ripped us off on ICS release.
Pretty crappy for my standards but w/e
Ehh, only really good piece of equipment in these pics is my good 24" monitor, and my Velodyne ULD18, and they are kind of old but I don't have any good new pics..
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Which one is with the prime?
The spec lists stereo, but I saw one speaker.
Or is it stereo only with the dock?
That's sucks....
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As far as I can gather, it's one speaker, but it sounds as good or better than any other tablet out there, with good sound volume. It fires out of the back on one side of the tablet.
If you read here, the official spec:
http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_Pad/Eee_Pad_Transformer_Prime_TF201/#specifications
It says stereo speakers ....
Misleading? Not true? Or with dock only?
One speaker is not stereo, nor mentioned as "speakers" ...
Stereo sound out of one speaker
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Why the heck you need speaker(s) for? you gonna listen pr0n on speakers or on your headset ?
Why couldn´t they just leave it the way it is with the TF101? Stereo speakers beneath one grill
Maybe we have only one grill but 2 speakers, one on each side.
Think about inital iPhone(s). They had no grills at all.
I don't think they would put "stereo" on their page if we have only one speaker...
Diamondback2010 said:
Maybe we have only one grill but 2 speakers, one on each side.
Think about inital iPhone(s). They had no grills at all.
I don't think they would put "stereo" on their page if we have only one speaker...
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?? Original iPhones DID have a speaker grill.. very bottom left or right.. otherside was for microphone. The speaker quality was just horrible and quiet.
It is monaural, as confirmed by Engadget's review, and they also criticized the poor speaker placement. Nor did they rave about the sound quality or volume -- they described it as only "quite good", when not blocked by your hand due to the location of the speaker grille.
Sorry folks, but to me the sound seems to have been downgraded to achieve the slimmer chassis. There's still a possibility it is louder, but that's about it.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/01/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-review/
The dock is supposed to have it's own set of speakers though, correct?
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The dock is supposed to have it's own set of speakers though, correct?
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The dock is rumored to have a subwoofer, although I've yet to see a post-launch review make that claim. It does NOT have stereo speakers, though.
From AndroidCentral
"The Prime touts having stereo speakers. But unlike in the Transformer and most other Android tablets we've used, they're only coming out of one section of the device. That means when you're holding the tablet in the normal landscape position, everything sounds like it's coming out the right-hand side of the device, because it is. It's a pretty disappointing change -- especially if you've used tablets with proper speakers."
Really disappointed with this, how could Asus not see/hear that it sucks to hear where the sound come from and that they also pointed the sound away from the user.
Xooms have speaker that point away from the user and that sucks if you compare to Galaxy tab that have the speakers on the sides.
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From AndroidCentral
"The Prime touts having stereo speakers. But unlike in the Transformer and most other Android tablets we've used, they're only coming out of one section of the device. That means when you're holding the tablet in the normal landscape position, everything sounds like it's coming out the right-hand side of the device, because it is. It's a pretty disappointing change -- especially if you've used tablets with proper speakers."
Really disappointed with this, how could Asus not see/hear that it sucks to hear where the sound come from and that they also pointed the sound away from the user.
Xooms have speaker that point away from the user and that sucks if you compare to Galaxy tab that have the speakers on the sides.
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It is simply stupid from Asus
Base on Asus website :
http://eee.asus.com/en/eeepad/transformer-prime/specification/
Interface: PAD: 2-in-1 Audio Jack (Headphone / Mic-in); 1× micro HDMI port
1 × Micro SD Card Reader; 1 × Internal Microphone; 1 × Stereo Speaker
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So it looks like it is "stereo", but packed into one speaker / location.
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So it looks like it is "stereo", but packed into one speaker / location.
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More likely, that's just poor translation. I doubt it's stereo speakers placed in one location -- it's vastly more likely that it is simply a single monaural speaker. We'll know oonce the first teardown is out.
The news continues to get worse: from the AndroidCentral comments:
"The speaker on the tablet itself is in a stupid place and it isn't especially loud (I could just barely hear it over the sound of my exercise bike, for example), and I haven't tried listening to music with or without the dock yet. It's on the list for today."
So all things considered, it apears that Transformer Prime sound is a major downgrade from the TF101. Not much louder, a worse speaker location, and mono instead of stereo. Hope you're happy now, all you people who whined about the size and weight of the TF101...
It doesn't matter what the specs says. The whole point of stereo output is to get channel separation, which isn't possible if both speakers are in same location.
For all practical purposes, audio is mono.
Here's another even more damning quote from AndroidCentral's review:
"it's a shame that the first Tegra 3 device to hit the market is lacking in basic audio quality. In other words: Use headphones or external speakers."
SonicMaster indeed. What. A. Joke.
To be fair, speaker output on tablets is a joke to start with. Fidelity is bad enough that stereo makes little difference. For decent stereo sound, use headphones or plug it into a TV.
BTW, someone mentioned the possibility of 7.1 audio through HDMI. I doubt it. Most movie rips use only the 5.1 core of the various HD audio flavors (DD EAC3, DD TrueHD, DTS-HR, DTS-MA). Playback support is sporadic even on PCs.
The mainstay for Android media players for now is ffmpeg. Per my last go-around, ffmpeg only supports EAC3, which is a fast-fading format. It doesn't support 7.1 FLAC (or 7.1 anything), which is what rippers use when they want to get HD audio.
Then, there's the HDMI-out. I'd be surprised if it even supports 5.1. Main bottleneck is the primitive state of Android media players, if not the hardware itself.
while its hard to say right now how it stacks up against other tablets/previous transformer its still disappointing they have the one speaker at such a bad location. The new redesigned galaxy tab 10.1n has two speakers front facing which would be ideal.
As pointed out in another thread by user 'sontin', there is at least a little workaround for movie watching on the TF201 which for some reason never occurred to me. If you turn the screen round 180 degrees, your hand shouldn't cover the speaker grille. Still a silly design, but this does at least partially improve things. Shame it's still mono, though...
Another post from AndroidPolice, btw, says that sound quality "pretty good" It does, however, refute earlier reviews that claimed there was a subwoofer in the dock -- accoding to AndroidPolice, there is no difference in sound when docked or undocked. That must mean either there's a problem with their review unit, or the subwoofer is in the tablet itself.
Beats is a great brand in my opinion, and its pretty cool for them to be involved with such a great company as HTC. So how does beats work
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Beats is a great brand in my opinion, and its pretty cool for them to be involved with such a great company as HTC. So how does beats work
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Are you completely sure it does work m8 ????
By beats a presume you mean Dreys Beats?? ....... *sigh*
No offence but they sell overpriced junk to clueless kids who want another 'cool' accessory to match their iphone
If you want good sound quality headphones go to a proper HiFi shop and try some Sennheisers and some other brands ......... you'll probably notice that most of the Sennheisers sound great compared to other manufacturers offerings at the same or often much higher price.
Job done
Please don't get sucked in by the 'Big rap name brand BS' all they sell is overpriced junk. There are proper companies who develop and sell REAL HiFi headphones, Sennheiser, BeyerDynamic, Sony, etc.
Give them your cash and get genuinely awesome sound quality rather than something that just happens to come in pink camo.
Oh yeah almost forgot if Beats on HTC does anything at all it will be nothing but a slight EQ profile change, to accentuate the characteristics of the phones.
Probably just a big dumb low freq boost so you can 'Feel da bass'. Problem is as anyone whos HiFi knowledgable will tell you an EQ really needs setting for each piece of music or at least each style ......... once you understand that you start to realize how useless such gimmicks are and learn to not trust companies behind such junk.
Dunno what HTC are getting in bed with this, maybe their marketing people think they need kid street cred.
The Beats thing is not what you would want in Headphones. I will always want to listen to my music without adjusting the EQ. Personally never liked the over done BASS on the headphones myself, could always find something cheaper that did a better job.
I would always want to listen to music on a iPod so i don't drain the battery of my phone.
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Are you completely sure it does work m8 ????
By beats a presume you mean Dreys Beats?? ....... *sigh*
No offence but they sell overpriced junk to clueless kids who want another 'cool' accessory to match their iphone
If you want good sound quality headphones go to a proper HiFi shop and try some Sennheisers and some other brands ......... you'll probably notice that most of the Sennheisers sound great compared to other manufacturers offerings at the same or often much higher price.
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Please don't get sucked in by the 'Big rap name brand BS' all they sell is overpriced junk. There are proper companies who develop and sell REAL HiFi headphones, Sennheiser, BeyerDynamic, Sony, etc.
Give them your cash and get genuinely awesome sound quality rather than something that just happens to come in pink camo.
Oh yeah almost forgot if Beats on HTC does anything at all it will be nothing but a slight EQ profile change, to accentuate the characteristics of the phones.
Probably just a big dumb low freq boost so you can 'Feel da base'. Problem is as anyone whos HiFi knowledgable will tell you an EQ really needs setting for each piece of music or at least each style ......... once you understand that you start to realize how useless such gimmicks are and learn to not trust companies behind such junk.
Dunno what HTC are getting in bed with this, maybe their marketing people think they need kid street cred.
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Nice reply thanks, I was actually was thinking of buying a pair of beats but man have you convinced me lol. I've always thought that people like beats because its has so much marketing, then when a person uses them its like mental if you know what I mean
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Nice reply thanks, I was actually was thinking of buying a pair of beats but man have you convinced me lol. I've always thought that people like beats because its has so much marketing, then when a person uses them its like mental if you know what I mean
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Dood DO NOT Just take my word for it .... go to a decent HiFi shop with your phone or MP3 player ( i don't use my phone for mobile music never have ).
Use your own player with your own music and just listen to some different phones and see what you think. Do the same thing with some 'Cool boutique' phones and you'll see what a mean.
I can predict that Sennheisers will most likely be the best 'bang for buck' in full size cans anyways. Their in ears are good too but i don't use in ears myself as am one of those people whos ears get sore in 20mins using in ears.
Oh yeah forgot to say the best sound quality improvement on headphones for less than $20 is a of these
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FiiO E5, headphone amp it sits between your player and your phones and acts as a dedicated power Amp. Its about 45x45x8mm with an LED lit on/off button, a volume rocker, and an EQ button flat (FTW), or Bass boost (meh).
They are stupid cheap (thanks to our Chinese brothers )
Usb rechargeable, run for about 10 hours on one charge, improve the sound stage and the mid tones amazingly well.
Also they help reduce battery drain in your phone/MP3 player as you can turn the Amp upto 80%-90% and leave it there and run your player on much lower volume like 20%-40% this can make a huge difference to battery life if (Like me) you pretty much listen to mobile music constantly when your outta the house. Get them for peanuts on ebay they really are awesome. FiiO also make a bunch of others models waaay more sophisticated than the E5 i have, but it only cost me $15. Best mobile music accessory i have ever bought, and i've been a mobile audiophile since the 80's!!!!
I agree... Beatz by Dre are CRAP.... 20 Hertz are the lowest they go..
And for 300$ that whack bass lol
I bought pro American Audio DJ headphones that go all the way down to 5Hz for 100$ and the bass is ridiculous!!!
I'm a bass quality type of guy and if you hate bass like treble and are fine with OK audio... then these are for you....
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I was looking at some senheiesers for 100$ on musicians friend looked pretty good through they have a large selection
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What Guru Zeb said. It's all a load of gimmicky rubbish designed to part you from your cash.
If you want good audio fidelity it would be wise to invest in Headphones from a company that has been making them for over fifty years. You wouldn't buy a car made by Zanussi after all, although you might have a washing machine from them!
Stick to the known manufacturers like Sennheiser and you can't go wrong.
Beats is garbage. Htc use it to make their phones desirable to ignorant teens. That is all.
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Beats is garbage. Htc use it to make their phones desirable to ignorant teens. That is all.
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I agree... Beatz by Dre are CRAP.... 20 Hertz are the lowest they go..
And for 300$ that whack bass lol
I bought pro American Audio DJ headphones that go all the way down to 5Hz for 100$ and the bass is ridiculous!!!
I'm a bass quality type of guy and if you hate bass like treble and are fine with OK audio... then these are for you....
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Curious as to why you need bass down to such a low level, since that's pretty much just moving air at that kind of frequency... I don't really think you would hear any difference tbh, unless I'm missing something
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Curious as to why you need bass down to such a low level, since that's pretty much just moving air at that kind of frequency... I don't really think you would hear any difference tbh, unless I'm missing something
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In large speakers yes its just moving air... but have you felt 5Hz in headphones?? Not only does the bass sound richer and deeper but idk the rest of you but I like the feeling of the bass as well and with 5hz you CAN feel it lol
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Beats is garbage. Htc use it to make their phones desirable to ignorant teens. That is all.
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Excellent choice of Avatar image there m8
Check out Bhajis Loops
http://chocopoolp.com/
Its oooooold but utterly amazing still nothing that really comes near it for a mobile DAW ........ then maybe buy and old PALM to run it on ..... I did
You are right, humans cannot hear 5hz, but that is not the reason for wanting to have cans that can reproduce such low frequencies.
The real reason you want cans or speakers in general for that matter to be able to reproduce frequencies way out of our hearing range is to allow for the rollofs at the limitations of a driver. Every speaker has a limited range of frequencies that it can reproduce, usually some range between 20hz and 20,000hz, but there is a difference between what is "reproduceable" by a driver and what is "useful" in that range of frequencies. As you reach the upper and lower ends of that range you are actually reaching the physical limitations of the mechanical features of the speaker which means that there are variances in the frequency response that reault in what is called a "rolloff" or drop in the output of the speaker at specific frequencies. For example if you have a set of cans that respond fron 20 to 20k as previously described, when tested with measuring equipment you will find that when you reach up around 15k or 16k you will stat to get a drop off in response resulting in decreased volume from those frequencies due to losses within the mechanical reproduction of the audio, say for example a drop of 3db/octave beyond 15khz. While the speakers may still do something, "respond", when you supply them with a 20khz tone, the tone may be very much quieter than a useful volume for music reproduction purposes.
If the response range of the speakers advances a ways past the range of frequencies audible to humans you will find that the response within those audible frequencies will be stro.g at the far low and far high extremes of the range because the driver is not working at the edges of its mechanical limitations. Less energy is wasted as heat because the driver operates more efficiently within the useful range that it is intended for. So while you may not be ae to hear that extra 15 thousand hertz your speakers can produce above 20khz, its purpose is not to be audible, its purpose is to improve the linearity of the response of the audible frequency range.
Now, back to the topic, since im a sound engineer by profession and obviously audio actually matters as a feature to me, what does "with beats audio" actually entail in practice and can it be turned the **** off? I have a funny feeling i might buy the htc one x and i want to be sure that this "beays audio" nonsense isnt gonna actually ruin the audio playback for me as its basically mission critical. As long as it can be completely disabled so it has no effect on playback i will be satisfied.
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Now, back to the topic, since im a sound engineer by profession and obviously audio actually matters as a feature to me, what does "with beats audio" actually entail in practice and can it be turned the **** off? I have a funny feeling i might buy the htc one x and i want to be sure that this "beays audio" nonsense isnt gonna actually ruin the audio playback for me as its basically mission critical. As long as it can be completely disabled so it has no effect on playback i will be satisfied.
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NEEDZ MOAR BASSSSS!!!
To answer your question, it's nothing more than a branded EQ and I'd imagine it's just an apk that can be uninstalled or frozen with titanium backup or equivalent app....
The fact that it's nothing more than a gimmick which allows them to slap a sticker on the box and lure in teenagers who enjoying playing Rihanna songs at full volume on their phone in public, makes me think that it will not be so deeply integrated that it's difficult to remove.
Thats exactly what i was hoping.
I discovered after a little reading that the reason htc have gotten involved in the beats audio gimmick is that beats electronics inc. invested $300million in htc. Kinda hard not to slap the logo on for that much money in what is arguably hard times for htc.
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Thats exactly what i was hoping.
I discovered after a little reading that the reason htc have gotten involved in the beats audio gimmick is that beats electronics inc. invested $300million in htc. Kinda hard not to slap the logo on for that much money in what is arguably hard times for htc.
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Interesting....
Gotta pay the bills I guess...
Beats audio..
Beats audio.
what i think ( and tested ) not the headphones.
But beats audio on your phone has very little to do with the hardware. and no special hardware inside the phone is required.
(ie flashing sense 4 rom with beats support wil work on a desire HD)
Now let me be bold to say that the software "beats audio' is nothing more than a "soft" DSP.
Copanies like SonicFocus / DTS / and Dolby have ben in this for ages and doing asuperb job at it.
Call it EQ, call it an algorithm.
Beats is in fact an algorithm that boost the dynamics, dep bass, brilliance, and solo clarity of the sound.
Creative > crystaliser
SoundMax > Sonic Focus
And i do have to say that with the "beats audio" enabled it does sound bigger and more clear.
But is it still safe to say that with compression of mp3s or even streamed music the quality of the sound could get just a little dull.
( at least that is what I notice )
Not thats where the DSP comes in, may it be beats, sonic focus, or whatever. I think on a mobile device playing mp3/streamed audio it does enhance the sound.
conclusion.
its a soft DSP, with its own fancy name and logo. A DSP that should be in that device anyway.
A nice marketing gimmick.
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You are right, humans cannot hear 5hz, but that is not the reason for wanting to have cans that can reproduce such low frequencies.
The real reason you want cans or speakers in general for that matter to be able to reproduce frequencies way out of our hearing range is to allow for the rollofs at the limitations of a driver. Every speaker has a limited range of frequencies that it can reproduce, usually some range between 20hz and 20,000hz, but there is a difference between what is "reproduceable" by a driver and what is "useful" in that range of frequencies. As you reach the upper and lower ends of that range you are actually reaching the physical limitations of the mechanical features of the speaker which means that there are variances in the frequency response that reault in what is called a "rolloff" or drop in the output of the speaker at specific frequencies. For example if you have a set of cans that respond fron 20 to 20k as previously described, when tested with measuring equipment you will find that when you reach up around 15k or 16k you will stat to get a drop off in response resulting in decreased volume from those frequencies due to losses within the mechanical reproduction of the audio, say for example a drop of 3db/octave beyond 15khz. While the speakers may still do something, "respond", when you supply them with a 20khz tone, the tone may be very much quieter than a useful volume for music reproduction purposes.
If the response range of the speakers advances a ways past the range of frequencies audible to humans you will find that the response within those audible frequencies will be stro.g at the far low and far high extremes of the range because the driver is not working at the edges of its mechanical limitations. Less energy is wasted as heat because the driver operates more efficiently within the useful range that it is intended for. So while you may not be ae to hear that extra 15 thousand hertz your speakers can produce above 20khz, its purpose is not to be audible, its purpose is to improve the linearity of the response of the audible frequency range.
Now, back to the topic, since im a sound engineer by profession and obviously audio actually matters as a feature to me, what does "with beats audio" actually entail in practice and can it be turned the **** off? I have a funny feeling i might buy the htc one x and i want to be sure that this "beays audio" nonsense isnt gonna actually ruin the audio playback for me as its basically mission critical. As long as it can be completely disabled so it has no effect on playback i will be satisfied.
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This is exactly right.
The numbers relating to audio that are posted on headphone and speaker boxes are a mess, they all proudly proclaim 20-20k, but realistically they're defining an edge on a smooth curve. The point you made about linear amplification bears to be repeated: the phone is going to contain the driving amp, and the ideal amp would produce a square wave at your nominal impedance, where the amplifier will simply not push any frequency below the lower bound, then push exactly X dB at each frequency for the entire supported frequency range, sharply dropping off again to never push any signal above the upper frequency bound.
The actual bounding values that the amplifier covers are irrelevant because the physical limitations on what frequencies silicon can push are far outside of your audible hearing range (no you cant hear 20Hz, I know your science 8 teacher told you you could but he lied, you have superb hearing if you can hear 30Hz, furthermore none of my music produces sounds above 16KHz).
And that's only speaking to frequency response, which, while arguably the most important characteristic of an amplifier, is certainly not the only one.
Somebody before this post suggested getting a Fiio E5 headphone amp, I've used one of those and they really do help if your trying to drive 100 Ohm+ headphones, which almost no ear buds are. If your wandering around with Senny 600s or AT 900s you might need such an amp, but for the most part the amp built in to the phone should suffice.
I hope the thing that a "beats [certified amp]" means is that for some given load (read: headphones to drive) the amp must produce a reasonably constant dB / frequency curve. But looking at beatsbydre.com/beatsaudio/Beats%20Audio,default,sc.html, it really does just look like yo dawg, this stuffs dope, we promise.
as per Enonoid, I'm wondering if its just software and/or a DSP. I haven't used any beats audio stuff before so I cant speak to it, but the "Crystalizer" feature on modern X-Fi stuff is actually kind've nifty. Its claim is that intrinsically its very difficult to encode percussion, and so when decoding you should have filters that smartly look for percussion and attempt to create the true audio-spikes they entail, rather than the wash they frequently get encoded as. Its a novel concept, and I'd even be willing to argue it adds something to the sound, and if beats is just something similar, I guess I'm on board, as long as it isn't simply slanting an EQ to boost everything below 500Hz.
Just wanted to say that I bought this external bluetooth speaker, in search of a good one. I've tried several and this one is damn good for the price. For just less then $80 you can't go wrong. It really makes you wonder why the Jambox is over $150. It is a joke really.
Monster ClarityHD portable speaker $77
Comes with a nice case too.
http://www.amazon.com/Monster-MBL-CLY-SPKR-BT/dp/B003TFEHMU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1332992852&sr=8-1
Over priced Jambox $188
http://www.amazon.com/Jawbone-JAMBO...1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1332993015&sr=1-1
Monster makes a product that is NOT the most ridiculously priced in it's segment???? WOW!!!
That's awesome that you found that speaker. My buddy has a jambox (xmas gift) and swears by it - but yea, that's STEEP!
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I liked the Jambox enough to get yet another one for a lower price, a refurbished Jambox, from the Jawbone website...traveled with me on vacation.
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Just checked the jawbone website and the refurbished jambox is $129.
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Just checked the jawbone website and the refurbished jambox is $129.
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Not sure what a refurb Jambox has to do with anything but it still even $50 more then the Monster model. ?????. Hey, I bet a refurb Monster model is $40. I don't understand your comment.
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Not sure what a refurb Jambox has to do with anything but it still even $50 more then the Monster model. ?????. Hey, I bet a refurb Monster model is $40. I don't understand your comment.
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An FYI for anyone who might be interested in a Jambox. Not saying it is better or less expensive than a Monster. Peace. Out.
I have a Logitech Mini Boombox, which costs about the same, but is much better looking.
Can't really compare the sound quality of course, as I don't have the Monster, but the Logitech is very good.
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I have 2 monster ClarityHD bluetooth speakers. I highly recommend them to anyone looking for a bluetooth speaker. I've owned a jambox too I returned it cause it was too quite. The monster is louder than the jambox after a firmware update to the jambox, you can disable the feature of the new update but you sacrafice quality for loudness.
Amazon has the ClarityHD for $49.99 right now. Very tempted to get one.
I use the Satechi BT Wireless Portable Speaker.. dig it
I use a cy-fi. The company went under a while ago due to retail price i would expect but it is tough, loud, clear, and works well with all of my bluetooth capable devices.
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brought a monster clarity hd after reading this thread
it's paired ok however when playing movies I get "no media content" under bluetooth settings and silence from the clarity hd??
any ideas
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Next question = Is there a way to get rid of the horrible delay from sound to video or are all bluetooth devices audio lag creators?.
I use the iHome iDM12 bluetooth portable. It just fits in my pocket while I'm at work. (I have loose pockets, wouldn't work in jeans). Its got exceptional sound for such a small package. Sure they pander to Apple but it works fine on Android and its only $69. I've never had the battery go dead on me yet so I don't know how long it lasts. I play about 5 hours steady and charge it nightly most of the time. Even the couple of times I forgot to charge it, it lasted through the next shift just fine.
https://www.ihomeaudio.com/iDM12BX/
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brought a monster clarity hd after reading this thread
it's paired ok however when playing movies I get "no media content" under bluetooth settings and silence from the clarity hd??
any ideas
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I don't know where the audio lags comes from or what causes it. Some times I'll get audio lag too, then other times it will be just perfect. I wish I knew what causes it. If anything I would suggest it is the Prime tablet not being able to process efficiently or something. Hard to tell.
Thanks for the find. I must just get this.
To users THST have this speaker and volume+ installed: you know you can go into volume+ and increase the volume boost and bass, on BT audio devices, to make this speaker alot louder. Has anyone tried this yet and how loud was it?
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I use the Satechi BT Wireless Portable Speaker.. dig it
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I have the Satechi pocket version ($30 2 watts with 3.5 mm audio jack). I like it a lot but am looking for more power and richer sound. This BT version looks like it could fill the bill. How many watts?
Also the Kinivo BTX110 Wireless Bluetooth Mini Portable Speaker likes like a knock-off of the Satechi BT. Has anybody trtied this one and how does it compare?
I understand that the Asus TFP has the Wolfson Class W headphone amplifier but some kernals do not yet support it. The Samsung Fascinate also has Wolson Class W and I have the Voodoo Sound Plus app on both my rooted Samsing and my rooted Asus TFP. My rooted Samsung has a kernel with the required driver supporting the extended sound controls but my Asus TFP does not. Voodoo Sound Plus makes a big difference in sound quality between my Fascinate and Asus TFP. It's all about the kernal having the required drivers.
I've always wanted to hear the monster speaker, but at this point I just decided to go for the gusto. Instead of spending 30 here or 60 here like I've been doing.
here's the list of bluetooth speakers I've got and used.
-veho 360 -(battery doesnt seem to hold enough of a charge.. or some other short.. Sounds like crap now, but was very nice for a very short time for what it is.)
http://www.amazon.com/Veho-VSS-006-...94/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1335197474&sr=8-16
-x3 -(generic.. alright for a single speaker, Still the go to for ultra portable needs after the veho crapped out.Rechargeable battery)
http://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Min...GC/ref=sr_1_60?ie=UTF8&qid=1335197366&sr=8-60
-Altec Lansing t515 - (looks ok.. sounds ok.. Never use it though. AA batteries)
http://www.amazon.com/Altec-Lansing...1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1335197617&sr=1-1
-Altec Lansing Soundblade - (Best one I've had so far, definately the loudest and the most sound. but when turned up to loud, you get static and they distort. Typical altec lansing sound not real refined, eats AA batteries.)
http://www.alteclansing.com/speakers-for-ipod-iphone/soundblade-imt525/invt/imt525/
I recently went into a Bose store, after seeing reviews on their bluetooth speaker. And I'm not a fan of Bose. They are overpriced and generally there are better alternatives for less money.
I listened to the soundlink in the store and immediately i knew i had to have one.
should arrive today and it makes all these other speakers sound like cans tied together with string.
Yes it's expensive, but even if you look through the 4 i've had, they are cheaper now then ever.. I've probably spent over 200 on them. So that 300 dollar price tag that absolutely blows all the others out of the water doesn't look so bad.
And the best part is, you can go to a best buy or bose store and listen to it.. Hell, take your prime and pair it up and play your own music. You won't want anything else at that point. Aside from an ultra portable. I will still use the x3 for some traveling because it will fit in a smaller bag.
opentoe said:
Just wanted to say that I bought this external bluetooth speaker, in search of a good one. I've tried several and this one is damn good for the price. For just less then $80 you can't go wrong. It really makes you wonder why the Jambox is over $150. It is a joke really.
Monster ClarityHD portable speaker $77
Comes with a nice case too.
http://www.amazon.com/Monster-MBL-CLY-SPKR-BT/dp/B003TFEHMU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1332992852&sr=8-1
Over priced Jambox $188
http://www.amazon.com/Jawbone-JAMBO...1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1332993015&sr=1-1
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I had the ClarityHD then I returned it to get the Jambox.... The Jam Box is WAY BETTER
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I recently went into a Bose store, after seeing reviews on their Bluetooth speaker. And I'm not a fan of Bose. They are overpriced and generally there are better alternatives for less money.
I listened to the sound link in the store and immediately i knew i had to have one.
should arrive today and it makes all these other speakers sound like cans tied together with string.
Yes it's expensive, but even if you look through the 4 I've had, they are cheaper now then ever.. I've probably spent over 200 on them. So that 300 dollar price tag that absolutely blows all the others out of the water doesn't look so bad.
And the best part is, you can go to a best buy or Bose store and listen to it.. Hell, take your prime and pair it up and play your own music. You won't want anything else at that point. Aside from an ultra portable. I will still use the x3 for some traveling because it will fit in a smaller bag.
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I completely agree with you on the Bose sound link. I picked one up over spring break at the beach and I love it. Yes it is expensive but you can't beat Bose at sound quality. The best part is i can pair my transformer and my phone and my laptop all very quickly.
The thing that surprised me the most about it was the base response. I am astonished as to the deep rich sound that it produces from such a small package.
Another point of interest is the folding cover / stand. It acts like the smart cover on the iPad. When you close it the speaker automatically turns off.
There is also a line in jack for any device you have that may not be Bluetooth capable as well.
I've found the battery life to be somewhere around 12 hours for standard use. This tapers off the louder you like your music of course.
Best of all I managed to get a refurbished one that was a wopping $75 cheaper.
What I use for a bluetooth speaker is a Sony HWS-BTA2W bluetooth receiver/transmitter, with standard powered speakers plugged into it. The Sony can be used as either a transmitter or a receiver, depending on what devices you have. I usually use it as a receiver, paired to my Prime, or phone, or even my laptop with a Jabra bluetooth transmitter connected to the headphone jack, and just plug standard powered speakers into it. I get good stereo, good sound, and the Sony isn't expensive. If you shop around, you can get one for ~$50, and you probably have some powered speakers on hand anyway.
There is always a delay with bluetooth. I had the bright idea to use bluetooth as a connection between my guitar and my amp, so I could connect wirelessly, and not have the cord to mess with. It's unusable, since there is a pronounced delay between the time you pluck the string and the sound coming out of the amp. The delay is almost a second, and it makes playing too much of a problem to deal with. I see the delay sometimes when I'm connected to the Sony with my phone or my Prime. They play a short sound when an email arrives, and it comes both through the internal speaker and through the bluetooth connection. The sound from the internal speaker is heard almost a second before the same sound comes from the speakers connected to the bluetooth connection.
Since there have been reports of issues with wi-fi in combination with bluetooth I'm wondering if you guys are experiencing problems using the bluethooth speaker while using wi-fi??
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I've been thinking about it and when you look at it the price may be a decent. Yeah an Apple TV is only $99 compaired to the $299 that the Nexus Q is. While on the other side of the coin The Nexus 7 is $199 to the $499 that a new iPad is. If you want a whole Apple vs Google ecosystem in your house the Google system is actually slightly cheeper when you look at it like this.
(Of course you still have the older iPads that are $399 but that's for an old device and we all know how Apple people feel about having the 'new' thing)
I'm not even going to go into the cost differences between iPhones and Android phones. But just for a Google or Apple brand tablet and tv device It's about equal to probably being in Androids favor just looking at it quickly.
The Nexus Q also has features that you don't get in an Apple TV but instead you'd have to purchase a Sonos device. Those can be more pricey Than the Q.
I don't know the specs on them exactly or even all their options but I do know they are expensive enough that I would never consider them as they kinda just do the one thing.
The amp feature in the device was deffinatly strange to me at first. Especially with it only being a 2.0 system. $300 for just a stereo is to much.
So I really need my own sound system for suround sound to my home theater. That's cool it has an easy connection but then the amp is worthless. But if I wanted to buy a second and play music around my whole house or put put it with my secondary tv the smaller one that I don't care about surround sound with then the amp thing is acutaly pretty nice.
I'm not trying to push anyone and I doubt I'll buy one (at least right away) as I have a Roku, and a couple HTPCs doing different things. I gave my boxee to my parents. There are lots of options out there.
If I ever wanted to wire up my whole house for audio as well as connecting my tvs a couple Nexus Q's costing about $600 doesn't sound like to bad of an option.
The problem is not the price in general but the features which cause this price.
Me and many other people don't need an integrated amp... If they would sell a version without the amp i'm quite sure it could be better priced ( i'm certainly interested in paying more to support the fact that it's build in the usa although i'm not from the us myself).
I'm actually having the opposite concern than most people apparently. I don't have a stereo or surround system, so i would absolutely use the amp. Only trouble is, i also want an audio passthrough so i can pipe my xbox audio through there too. i wish the optical out was an optical in.
I have one and have been playing with it. As far as the amp, I hooked it up to a pair of pretty good Cambridge Soundworks bookshelf speakers and it sounds quite good -- but like most people I already have a 5.1 surround system for my main stereo, so this would need to be for another room if the amp was going to be useful.
I don't think most people have a pair of regular-wire speakers laying around, so I'd really like to see it have a 3.5mm jack for the more common small, powered speakers. As others have said, it also needs to play local & other network content (Netflix, Hulu, Vudu, ...) before I could see it taking off.
Definitely a cool design though!
My question would be if you hook up it's own speaker system, AND an optical system, could you get it so that you get the same room choice option when you choose music to play? (AKA use each of the speaker systems in a different room).
I love the Google ecosystem and I love the design of the Q, but the price is too high. period. No logic of iEco vs. NexEco is a sound justification (no pun intended). Google missed the mark here big time. If they would have hit the $99 price point that it should be at, I would buy 3: media room, bedroom, and bathroom. At this price point, I buy 0. When it comes down to $99 in 12/mo I may buy it.
Google needs to add the Q functionality to these new low cost google tv boxes like the Co-star. This will speed up adoption and new use cases.
The capabilities of the Q could be the best thing ever, but if you never see anyone use one, you will never buy one. By having Google Music /Movie Party something that anyone can realistically use with commodity hardware, more people will buy into the PLAY ecosystem.
The Q should be the audiophile product, and make a cheaper Q to use like a Sonos Bridge so people like me will buy one for every room in their house that hook up to 3.5mm speakers.
If nothing else, I hope the Dev community figures out how to use Q style functionality on just tablets and phones, that way I can take me box of old android phones, hook up computer speakers, connect them to my wifi, and have multiroom , multi zone audio.
Pricey!
Yeah I agree on the price being a little bit high. Yes it does come with a bunch of features, but in my opinion, who needs a built in amp? I want to pump this bad boy into my surround sound unit. I mean Apple TV is only $99 and it has some killer features, minus the built in amp. I guess I'll have to see one in action to see if it is actually worth it.
To me it's just that you don't get enough for the price. I'm not opposed to spending $300 for a device that can handle multimedia in a great way but the Q, as it stands, does nothing respective of a $300 device. Sure, the AppleTV is fairly limited considering it's $100 price tag...but there are plenty of other options out there. Boxee, WDLive, Roku, etc... all cost *significantly* less than the Q and offer far more functionality.
In the future, this device could be worth the cost...but at the present moment that's just not true. If we had the ability to "Airplay" it might be different...but as it stands very few people could even make use of the *existing* features of the device. When people come over and want to stream stuff to the device I can't expect them to only stream from Google servers...very few people actually *HAVE* anything on the Google servers.
Made in the USA. Our labor costs a lot more
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Made in the USA. Our labor costs a lot more
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Exactly. Everyone complains about **** made in China, and says "make it here, bring manufacturing back to America!" Well here is your Made in America price tag. When I get a chance I will buy to support the fact it is made here.
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Exactly. Everyone complains about **** made in China, and says "make it here, bring manufacturing back to America!" Well here is your Made in America price tag. When I get a chance I will buy to support the fact it is made here.
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Not actually true. There have been recent reports where with shipping and rising laboe costs in China where it is getting to be cheaper and more practical to make it back here in the USA. So the making it here is not the reason for the increased price. I do beleive that they are trying to push a Google dominated thing based on Apple. But I believe that will back fire on them as that is the kind of thing we dilike about Apple. It looks to me like they want you to buy both the Q and the Nexus and be tied to the Google lay store this is why they aren't offering other choices like Hulu and Netflix however they do seem to be allowing the other Dev's out there to supliment that on thier own so they won't block someone figuring out how to stream Netflix or Hulu but they aren't going to help either.
I have all 3 devices. I think the Nexus 7 and Galaxy Nexus are priced very reasonable and cheap in my opinion. The Nexus Q though is way over prices. I have an apple TV (only apply product) and it's much better when jailbroken of course. The Q I get google movies, youtube, and the option to listen to music. Not worth 300 dollars but if it had the full android interface with a remote then yes for sure it would be a great device to surf the web and play games on and watch all kinds of movies.
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I'm actually having the opposite concern than most people apparently. I don't have a stereo or surround system, so i would absolutely use the amp. Only trouble is, i also want an audio passthrough so i can pipe my xbox audio through there too. i wish the optical out was an optical in.
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amp is gay to me. anybody buying speakers today should be active speakers. Unless they are huge home theather then you buy a discrete amp and use pre-outs on your AVR. You could buy active large home theater speakers but they are rare and more expensive
"bookshelf" speakers need to have their own amp. the speakers were engineered to work with the amp and not some random amp in a nexus Q. amp would only be nice for head phones
any speaker that could be powered by 25 amps is going to have it's own amp in it most likely unless they are some ****ty computer speakers
Usually I carry a FiiO amp (I have three different models). I use them with my Note 3 and have various headphones ( Audio Technica ATH M50, V-Moda M100 and V-Moda XS, Beats Solo 2). On full amplification via the FiiO and depending on genre, I like the V-Moda XS and FiiO E18 the best. I would rate it a 9 for clarity and depth on portable device (I'm not huge into Ibiza levels of bass). So i walk into the T-Mobile store and hook up the V-Moda XS right to the phone and set the amplification to the highest setting. I would rate it a solid 8.5 (again for portable application). Although to a newbie not typically used to listening on good headphones they would probably rate it a 20.
Basically as is, the V10 makes carrying a headphone AMP a bit unnecessary now. By the way, I paid $160 for that FiiO E18 headphone amp a year ago but the going rate was over $200. The big selling point was that it was made for Android and you could switch to different tracks using the side mounted buttons on the FiiO instead of having to take the phone out, unlock the screen and move to a different track. For whatever reasons, all headphone cords don't work with all music apps on Android.
All that being said, is the V10 the best in class phone for not just camera functionality but audio playback?
I know the new HTC and Samsung Note 5 have a few advantages of their own. I'm curious to see if anyone thinks these are better on audio than the V10 based on experience.
I gave the Note 5 a quick listen, and V10 beats it IMHO. Had a fiio e18 too, good little amp.
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The V10 will hands-down have the best audio performance of any phone to date. However, the question has been raised as to whether or not the ESS DAC/amp are active 24/7. It seems some apps use the standard Snapdragon DAC instead (typically streaming apps). Local content works fine as far as I can tell, and I may have found a workaround to force the ESS DAC on a session-by-session basis, but it might be something that can also be forced via software modifications produced by developers later on.
Well that's good to hear since I won't be going back to Samsung since they ditched SD card and removable battery.
One thing I thought of, the V-Moda XS is known for having a compact folding design that has "military" grade impact resistance and all around durable build quality. Which are similar selling points for the V10. Right out of the box, this is a great sound pairing. Some say the Beats Solo2 is on par with V-Moda XS on sound, but given the plastic build quality it's not really the same value for the money.
Yes, some apps aren't working. Tidal is gtg fortunately. Sounds pretty damn good too.
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The V10 will hands-down have the best audio performance of any phone to date. However, the question has been raised as to whether or not the ESS DAC/amp are active 24/7. It seems some apps use the standard Snapdragon DAC instead (typically streaming apps). Local content works fine as far as I can tell, and I may have found a workaround to force the ESS DAC on a session-by-session basis, but it might be something that can also be forced via software modifications produced by developers later on.
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I was wondering about that too. Let me touch on my experience a bit.
A couple of things for reference: I briefly tested the DAC with my Sennheiser Momentum, and then with my HD 650 without any intermediary signal processing. Also, I believe that the 32 bit is an overkill, so signal-wise I don't consider this better than a 16-bit DAC for practical purposes. Still, I like having it just because it's there. My comparison is between the V10 and a Nexus 4, as well as a FiiO E07K + Little Dot Mark III at times.
So, the Momentum: of course the Momentum run well and loud, since they are easily run. DAC-wise, I do notice some added clarity and soundstage with Hi Fi on using FLACS and 320 kbps files (nothing major, but it's there, as expected). All good.
Now, for the HD 650: the V10 with Hi Fi on will do an automatic impedance/power match, which is really nice for volume control normalization. In the end, the V10 makes the FiiO e07k useless, because the HD 650 sound fine, loud, and equally clear on the phone. Now here is the thing: we know that Spotify is not affected by the Hi Fi toggle, yet the sound is equally loud and clear on the HD 650 than with Hi Fi on using local files. When I turn Hi Fi off, the amp can't power the headphones nearly as well (or at all), impedance match ends, and the volume and clarity go down.
In short, Spotify with Hi Fi off = Local files with Hi Fi on, even though it's supposedly not affected by it.
What that means to me is that they could be doing a Beats maneuver, and lowering audio quality on Hi Fi off on local files to really give people the feel that turning it on affects music. On the other hand, it could mean that Spotify (or other 3rd party, streaming apps) simply bypass the toggle and just run on the amp/dac's full power regardless. Proof of the latter would be that my Nexus 4 (and some other phones I've tested) simply cannot drive the HD 650 at the level that the V10 does on Spotify. I mean, I can barely reach a mediocre volume on the Nexus 4 maxed out.
Keep in mind that this is my initial impression, and I haven't done an in-depth sound test yet. That said, I'm very happy with the V10 regardless, since it can effortlessly power my HD 650 without having to carry an external amp/dac combo.
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What that means to me is that they could be doing a Beats maneuver, and lowering audio quality on Hi Fi off on local files to really give people the feel that turning it on affects music. On the other hand, it could mean that Spotify (or other 3rd party, streaming apps) simply bypass the toggle and just run on the amp/dac's full power regardless. Proof of the latter would be that my Nexus 4 (and some other phones I've tested) simply cannot drive the HD 650 at the level that the V10 does on Spotify. I mean, I can barely reach a mediocre volume on the Nexus 4 maxed out.
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I don't think they lower quality for hi-fi off. It simply uses a completely different DAC. It defaults to the Qualcomm Snapdragon DAC... which is low quality.
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I don't think they lower quality for hi-fi off. It simply uses a completely different DAC. It defaults to the Qualcomm Snapdragon DAC... which is low quality.
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That's what it's supposed to be like, so I'm inclined to believe it. My question is whether Spotify is really using the ESS, even if it was not supposed to. More of a curiosity than anything.
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That's what it's supposed to be like, so I'm inclined to believe it. My question is whether Spotify is really using the ESS, even if it was not supposed to. More of a curiosity than anything.
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Inclined to believe what?
Someone reported getting 3rd party apps like spotify to use the ESS dac with toggling tricks so it's definitely possible that it was using the ESS dac.
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Inclined to believe what?
Someone reported getting 3rd party apps like spotify to use the ESS dac with toggling tricks so it's definitely possible that it was using the ESS dac.
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Of course it's possible, but I have yet to find a 100% sure response. Not that it's a big deal anyways, since the audio is fine regardless.
By the way, can you send a link to the report? I want to test it.
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Of course it's possible, but I have yet to find a 100% sure response. Not that it's a big deal anyways, since the audio is fine regardless.
By the way, can you send a link to the report? I want to test it.
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http://www.head-fi.org/t/782706/lg-...gship-android-phone-from-lg/465#post_12047691
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Thanks. That guy is saying something similar to what I said. Difference is, I didn't even have to overlap local file playing to trigger the amp/dac with Spotify. It just goes and it can't be turned off in any way, which is fine with me. But without any more information of course I was going to have initial doubts about it.
Can the v10 replace a standalone music player?
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I was wondering about that too. Let me touch on my experience a bit.
A couple of things for reference: I briefly tested the DAC with my Sennheiser Momentum, and then with my HD 650 without any intermediary signal processing. Also, I believe that the 32 bit is an overkill, so signal-wise I don't consider this better than a 16-bit DAC for practical purposes. Still, I like having it just because it's there. My comparison is between the V10 and a Nexus 4, as well as a FiiO E07K + Little Dot Mark III at times.
So, the Momentum: of course the Momentum run well and loud, since they are easily run. DAC-wise, I do notice some added clarity and soundstage with Hi Fi on using FLACS and 320 kbps files (nothing major, but it's there, as expected). All good.
Now, for the HD 650: the V10 with Hi Fi on will do an automatic impedance/power match, which is really nice for volume control normalization. In the end, the V10 makes the FiiO e07k useless, because the HD 650 sound fine, loud, and equally clear on the phone. Now here is the thing: we know that Spotify is not affected by the Hi Fi toggle, yet the sound is equally loud and clear on the HD 650 than with Hi Fi on using local files. When I turn Hi Fi off, the amp can't power the headphones nearly as well (or at all), impedance match ends, and the volume and clarity go down.
In short, Spotify with Hi Fi off = Local files with Hi Fi on, even though it's supposedly not affected by it.
What that means to me is that they could be doing a Beats maneuver, and lowering audio quality on Hi Fi off on local files to really give people the feel that turning it on affects music. On the other hand, it could mean that Spotify (or other 3rd party, streaming apps) simply bypass the toggle and just run on the amp/dac's full power regardless. Proof of the latter would be that my Nexus 4 (and some other phones I've tested) simply cannot drive the HD 650 at the level that the V10 does on Spotify. I mean, I can barely reach a mediocre volume on the Nexus 4 maxed out.
Keep in mind that this is my initial impression, and I haven't done an in-depth sound test yet. That said, I'm very happy with the V10 regardless, since it can effortlessly power my HD 650 without having to carry an external amp/dac combo.
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Do you think the v10 can match something like a Fiio X3? I normally have to carry my phone and the Fiio X3. It'd be great to be able to carry just one device and not have to sacrifice decent sound quality.
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Do you think the v10 can match something like a Fiio X3? I normally have to carry my phone and the Fiio X3. It'd be great to be able to carry just one device and not have to sacrifice decent sound quality.
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I found this in another forum:
"I have had about 2 days to seriously listen to the V10 with a variety of different headphones and I've continued to be blown away. It puts the iPhone 6/6s to shame and even embarrasses (what I thought to be excellent) Samsung GS6E+/Note 5. I'm typing this in my bed listening to London Grammar's "Flickers" with my LCD-3 and V10. I'm amazed that a) a phone could power these cans as well as the V10 does and b) that there is such excellent instrument separation, transparency, soundstage, and quickness from a smartphone DAC/amp combo. I'd choose this over a FiiO X1/X3/(even) an X5. Until you get into the Questyle/AK territory, this thing is just as competent as any DAP. With TIDAL!"
And with that, I'm in
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I found this in another forum:
"I have had about 2 days to seriously listen to the V10 with a variety of different headphones and I've continued to be blown away. It puts the iPhone 6/6s to shame and even embarrasses (what I thought to be excellent) Samsung GS6E+/Note 5. I'm typing this in my bed listening to London Grammar's "Flickers" with my LCD-3 and V10. I'm amazed that a) a phone could power these cans as well as the V10 does and b) that there is such excellent instrument separation, transparency, soundstage, and quickness from a smartphone DAC/amp combo. I'd choose this over a FiiO X1/X3/(even) an X5. Until you get into the Questyle/AK territory, this thing is just as competent as any DAP. With TIDAL!"
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I'll see if I can get one tomorrow and test for myself.
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Do you think the v10 can match something like a Fiio X3? I normally have to carry my phone and the Fiio X3. It'd be great to be able to carry just one device and not have to sacrifice decent sound quality.
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I have a Fiio e07K that I used to use on the go. The V10 does just as well, or maybe even better, than the Fiio. Assuming the X3 is comparable to the e07k (haven't tested it), I would just stick to the V10 and reduce bulk.
I think I'll sell the e07K now.
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I have a Fiio e07K that I used to use on the go. The V10 do just as well, or maybe even better, than the Fiio. Assuming the X3 is comparable to the e07k (haven't tested it), I would just stick to the V10 and reduce bulk.
I think I'll sell the e07K now.
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I think I'll sell my x3 as well.
Maybe it's possible that the V10 uses the ESS amplifier not matter what DAC is used. I've never noticed a difference between DACs for the most part... my PC sound card (Xonar Essence STX), Schiit Uber stack, and V10 all sound the same. Note5 honestly sounded about the same too. Maybe I just have insensitive ears or can't pick out the differences yet, but my AKG K812's are clearly the best sounding audio equipment I've ever heard, and I try to be critical in details of just about anything I hear sound through (apart from the source components). 320kbps .mp3's suit me just fine too.
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Maybe it's possible that the V10 uses the ESS amplifier not matter what DAC is used. I've never noticed a difference between DACs for the most part... my PC sound card (Xonar Essence STX), Schiit Uber stack, and V10 all sound the same. Note5 honestly sounded about the same too. Maybe I just have insensitive ears or can't pick out the differences yet, but my AKG K812's are clearly the best sounding audio equipment I've ever heard, and I try to be critical in details of just about anything I hear sound through (apart from the source components). 320kbps .mp3's suit me just fine too.
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mp3 normally sounds a bit more noisy and a lot of the details i look for are normally not present. then again, my hearing is pretty good. so I do notice the diffrence between mp3 at 320kbps and flac. At most times I don't listen to my music at high volumes either and then the missing stuff becomes more apparent.
I can tell the difference using Koss Portapro with 192kbps ogg.
The sound is more transparent than G4.