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Sorry if this has already been posted, but I searched for a few days and haven't found a solution.
I removed the HTC Sense UI and found it to make my Hero run much, much smoother. But, I am missing a few of the HTC Widgets. Namely, Music, Calender, and Twitter.
Is it possible to still use HTC widgets while keeping the simple Android UI? As I understand, I'm not removing the HTC Sense, only the makeover. I hoped it would still allow me to use the widgets.
Thank you.
The way I understand it, HTC Sense is a special program that serves as a base for interfacing the HTC widgets with the Android OS. Its not really a makeover, its a separate program. Android "Home", aHome, GDE, Open Gesture, and all other home replacements are actually apps that act as your home screen. Only the HTC Sense is compatible with the HTC Widgets, as far as I know. I could be wrong, however.
I don't think you can...
Have you updated your phone to the latest official ROM? I too had turned off the Sense UI for the speed advantage, but was missing alot of the Sense UI features. I upgraded the ROM (official) and it sure made the Sense UI very nice.
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The way I understand it, HTC Sense is a special program that serves as a base for interfacing the HTC widgets with the Android OS. Its not really a makeover, its a separate program.
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Yes, and no! Unlike other home replacements, with HTC Sense, HTC have also modified parts of the base OS, so Sense goes quite deep. Whist you can effectively turn of the launcher part of Sense, and replace some of the HTC modified apps with their vanilla Android equivalent, some parts will still remain.
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Dave
Well, because disabling sense UI also disabled some features, that could be why I'm seeing such an improvement. I'm going back to Sense UI and tinker some more to see if I can find what causes the slight hiccups. The only widgets I use are HTC calender, music, and last.fm. Only two panels also.
One day I was listening to last.fm through my car stereo via Bluetooth. I then needed to make a call. I could not get the last.fm widget to pause at all. Then I figured I'd just make a call to possibly force it to pause. The buttons wouldn't respond. A few minutes later the music stopped and I could hear someone talking on the other end, but they couldn't hear me. I figured I just overloaded the Hero with what I can do on it.
I stopped having Bloo and Peep check for updates. I think that could be a problem, so when I want to see if I have any FB or Twitter updates, I just log into the apps myself. I'm also using Task Manager which is a lot better on the system compared to Taskiller.
i see people here and other places talking about rooting their thunderbolt (and dinc, before i upgraded) to get rid of sense. well why did you buy the phone then? to me, sense is a dealbreaker. i don't like vanilla android and sense doesn't "muck" stuff up as long as the hardware is decent (cougheriscough). so to you who don't like sense, maybe provide some insight to your perspective? is there something that vanilla offers that sense doesn't and i just don't know about it? please, explain.
For me it's just a personal preference. Sense runs fine on the TBolt, sure. But, I prefer the layouts/customizing I can do with LauncherPro, so that's what I use instead.
I don't care for sense myself. Maybe it's because I started out on a Moto Droid, but I prefer the basic Android applications by far. I can live with Sense, but when vanilla ROMs come out, I'll switch. For now, LauncherPro is close enough. The only thing I really can't stand is the text messaging app, but that's why they make 3rd party!
I've had the Incredible and Droid X, and didn't care for Sense or MotoBlur much on those, either. I'm just happy that there are so many options to keep everyone happy!
I have no clue, and would like to know this as well? I love the look, and feel of sense myself personally.
Short answer because sense sucks, real answer because I started out on the original droid I got use to vanilla android. I don't really like the way sense is laid out just doesn't work as well for me.
I bought the phone because it's great hardware and I was reasonably certain I would be able to dump sense. If I was stuck with the phone bone stock... Ugh.
I like Sense but I like the customization of ADW EX better. Also I'm beta testing SPB Mobile 3D and running it on top of Sense drains the battery. Other than that, Sense is pretty cool.
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For me it's just a personal preference. Sense runs fine on the TBolt, sure. But, I prefer the layouts/customizing I can do with LauncherPro, so that's what I use instead.
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yeah for me i use launcher pro, have five icons at the very bottom of the screen at 185 DPI that open 5 different apps, and then if you swipe those icons they open 5 more apps. very clean look.
then WP Clock wallpaper and it is clean and totally awesome.
I guess some people like having an unmolested version of Android, the way Google wants it to be.
I personally love Sense. I love the dialer, the widgets, and some of the social aspects of it. I really don't have any negatives about it at all.
i dont mind sense, but i like the customization with other launchers that sense doesnt offer. and if its not going to offer it and im going to use something else then there is no reason for it to take up space and recourses. its not that its bad it just that some people are more anal about removing stuff from their phone they are not going to use. same with bloat apps. if im not going to use them i want the option to delete them.
Well to me sense slows the phone down a little bit more than stock vanilla android. Also having sense instead of stock android slows getting updates, if we had a stock vanilla android phone, we would get gingerbread faster.
Luckily that is one of the reason I root and put other roms on the phone like CM7.
I personally like SenseUI. I had it on a Hero before, and it ran like crap, but the Thunderbolt runs it really nicely. I like the way things integrate with the contact list, etc. I haven't really had a vanilla Android device, but I'm guessing soon I'll be trying one out Oh yeah, and CM7 too
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Sense is one of the main reasons I'm an HTC fan.
I had it... (sort of..) on my old VZW TP2. Ran like a slug. Now that I have an actually functioning version, it is great! I also like how many people hate Sense, but still want the HTC flip clock.. lol.. best of both worlds?
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I do have to add... thank God for 3rd party SMS apps....
Sense runs fine on TB hardware and the "new" Sense has made improvements over "old" Sense... but I still prefer AOSP.
I like CM7 particularly (among other AOSP-based ROMs) because of speed and I like the vanilla look and feel. I find it to be more appealing... and I use LPP or ADW whether I am on CM7 or stock Sense.
I also hate the crappy DPI of Sense. Everything looks blown up and pixelated on such a big display. I also hate the Sense dialer and contacts app... along with SMS. I much prefer stock (or third-party like GoSMS and GoContacts).
Need to figure out how to change the DPI. Looks like you can do it with Launcher Pro... any other way to do it?
It looks like fischer price. The friend stream widget you can only see like 1 or 2 peoples status per page. The launcher pro version of this is much better. There's a huge ass phone button in the middle of the dock. Launcher pro is much better with the ability, as someone earlier mentioned, to do 5 icons. You can swipe those 5 and get 10, then you can have up to 3 docks you can rotate between for even more. I use all 15 icons, with the swipe gesture on all of them for a total of 30 apps that I don't need to clutter up my homescreen to get.
The clock is massive and a waste of screen real estate. There's already a clock in the top right of appropriate size, why do I need a gigantic flip clock that does nothing but drain my battery.
The stuff where you can flip it over to silence it or turn on speakerphone is nice though, I like that. But the launcher and the widgets really suck.
This is my first sense phone, and i must say that i really like sense. Unless it really starts to be a liability to the phone, i will always use it or keep it around.
I actually dont mind sense at all, and i think it is a huge improvement over motoblur (from what ive seen on my friends phones) but i was running a rooted launcher pro OG droid, so in the end ill probably switch (already rooted).
To people that havent really been on android though I can see the love they have for sense (at least on the T bolt).
I personally have already gotten used to the launcher tray and I am a fan, but the messaging app on the droid was better, and while i like the dial pad itself, the way the contacts and call log are i have to go + to droid as well.
I love Sense. I mean all the others (Blur, Touchwiz) they all SUCK, but I think sense actually adds to the android experience.
i can see the statements about the huge widgets, but you can add or remove those as you see fit. i personally don't use any sense widgets on my home screen, but i like that they are scrollable. i use the calendar and people widgets as book ends (far left and right screens within the scene). but i find that sense brings a LOT of good features to android to integrate and make the use of the phone better. the pinch zoom out/tap "home" to show all screens to quickly jump to one instead of having to swipe left or right, etc. i like how it syncs facebook contact info with people, i like the color scheme especially. there are other things i like that i don't have on my work phone (OG Droid). as far as stock apps, i use handcent and gmail. i can say for certain i DO NOT like the stock people or contacts app. it sucks epically.
RE: being able to delete apps you don't use, i actually wrote a letter to corporate about that (don't put bloatware on my phone. put it in the market or if you put it on let me delete it) due to backup assistant, the moron at the store started to set my phone up for me, and was past that stage when he handed me my phone. i've been on android for over a year and before that was with blackberries using google sync also, haven't used backup assistant since my enV.
anyways, i can see some of the "customization" options on having different home screens, but sense is more than just a launcher. you can use 3rd party launchers and still keep the benefits of sense, which is the best of both worlds, if that's what your into. i personally like the sense stock look and once a good and stable root is available i'll root (no roms for me, they all suck one way or another IMO) to get my titanium and screen cap, then delete bloatware. FTW!!!
I tried liking adw but even with homescreen button lock on I found myself accidentally dragging the homescreen button off the screen and had to reload the launcher.
Plus adw looks too much like my Droid and I was ready for a change so this fits perfect. Seems like some wanna over customize just for bragging rights. To me Sense has plenty of options put of the box
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Hey guys,
how does Samsung Touchwiz feel in the daily usage, assuming you come from HTC Sense?
I currently own a HTC Hero, and I need a new phone. How is the Facebook integration, calendar and email client?
Cheers, Martin
Hi,
I'm used using sense on android and winmo on a HTC.
when I compare it to Touchwiz, the samsung version feels odd, unlogical.
Personally I don't care a lot about Touchwiz.
Back to your questions:
Email client: (Gmail) it's almost the same
Facebook: I don't know i don't use it.
Twitter is the same too.
Calendar: I didn't like the one on Sense and I don't like the one on Touchwiz. I'm using Smooth calendar (free app)
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how does Samsung Touchwiz feel in the daily usage, assuming you come from HTC Sense?
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First you are just happy with your new girlfriend and don't even think bad of her if she does things you think is strange...
You accept a lot, and think you just need to adjust and that everything will work out in the end...
Don't misunderstand me now.... you still Love the looks on your girl, her beauty is stunning.... but do come to the conclusion that looks often isn't everything you need...
So.. when you recognize this sad fact you will quite fast think of solutions to reproduce your old girlfriends habits and ways of doing things you loved about her....
You would probably install a new launcher, Go SMS, Go Dialer, Go Contacts and other beautiful widgets....
And soon you realize.... Beauty and mind does exist in one package after all...
And you are in love yet again...
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Hey guys,
how does Samsung Touchwiz feel in the daily usage, assuming you come from HTC Sense?
I currently own a HTC Hero, and I need a new phone. How is the Facebook integration, calendar and email client?
Cheers, Martin
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I've never cared for the Facebook for HTC add-on and Peep (Twitter add-on), so always used the official Facebook/Twitter app sync.. Touchwiz does have its SNS aggregation app which is similar to HTC for Facebook/Peep, but not using it either
Linking contacts is the same in the Touchwiz contacts app as it is in the HTC contacts app. Although Sense does auto-link contacts far more efficiently (always autolinks whatsapp contacts whereas I've had to do that manually in Touchwiz) and there are no notifications for suggested contact merges in Touchwiz.
The calendar is the same, doesn't look as nice but offers essentially the same functions
The email client is a bit better as it has multiple Exchange ActiveSync support with HTML rendering.. also allows split-view in landscape mode which is a nice touch.. although it is a bit of a battery hog.. have 3 accounts set up on push and it uses over 15% of my battery, used to use Seven on my HTC and would use under 5%.
Overall, I prefer Sense over Touchwiz
I used to own the HTC Desire. I like Touchwiz a lot. Personally, I think that sense looks a little tired now. Even their tablet looks like a bloated version of their existing phones. But then touchwiz is all new to me, and I love the SGS2, so maybe my judgment is clouded.
draexler said:
Hey guys,
how does Samsung Touchwiz feel in the daily usage, assuming you come from HTC Sense?
I currently own a HTC Hero, and I need a new phone. How is the Facebook integration, calendar and email client?
Cheers, Martin
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I miss sense, it has so many little touches touchwiz (and 3rd party launchers/widgets) miss.
Coming from Sense first from TP2 and then from Desire there was quite big change.
But I didn't actually like Sense that much and used to use Go Launcher.
I am still using Touchwiz but there are some issues which are really annoying.
First of all the home screen is the most left one. That is so stupid. Probably the biggest issues with touchwiz.
Calendar app I think is better than with Sense. I actually uninstalled smooth calendar after finding this.
Also strange thing is that with Sense I could look my facebook pictures from the gallery application. Currently I cannot do it or then I just dont know how to do it. But that is a big downside.
After all touchwiz is not so bad as people are complaining. I dont miss the extra eye candy from Sense 3.0 and there are some good things with this UI. I would give it 7+
draexler said:
Hey guys,
how does Samsung Touchwiz feel in the daily usage, assuming you come from HTC Sense?
I currently own a HTC Hero, and I need a new phone. How is the Facebook integration, calendar and email client?
Cheers, Martin
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I've come from an HTC Desire and for me, TouchWiz is a clear improvement over Sense in some ways, and needs a lot of work in others. It certainly feels faster, but that might just be down to the horsepower that the GSII has available. Also, you're not forced to have 7 home screens. I have 2 home screens with my essentials on them and nothing else. I guess I'm a minimalist
Facebook integration is decent, although the Contacts app isn't as good as Sense at auto-linking Facebook contacts to your existing contacts. Calendar is nice, although for some reason it can only pull in your events calendar from Facebook. As I recall, Sense was capable of pulling in events and birthdays. I don't use the built-in email app (I use the Gmail app instead).
Other niceties:
- Built-in MSN client
- Decent camera (far better than the Desire anyway)
Other niggles:
- The lock screen takes some getting used to. I ended up installing an alternative because I didn't like it.
- The apps list is more akin to how apps are ordered on the iPhone than on other Android devices: you have to manually order them rather than them being ordered alphabetically.
- The media scanner is unable to process the metadata in AAC/M4A files. They play just fine, but show up as "Unknown Artist" etc. in the music player.
All in all though, it's a brilliant phone. I was blown away by how fast it is coming from a Desire, so moving to it from a Hero will blow your socks off.
Don't care for it personally - feels clunky and outdated.
I went SPB first and now LauncherPro - much happier.
If I had been stuck with TouchWiz though it'd still have been an excellent phone...
I never cared for Sense on my HTC device when I used it, I flashed a stock CM7 based rom.
So the look was minimalistic.
The TouchWiz needs some work doing to it, for example (and I may have missed something here), the programs in "Applications" are added in the order installed. I prefer the A - Z scrolling icons (not the list you can get it TouchWiz).
LauncherPro for me any day, or GoLauncher maybe as a 2nd choice.
TouchWiz doesn't do it for me I'm afraid... The dialer is great, but I don't like the dock/app drawer at all.
It took me ages to get used to Launcher Pro after using sense, but now I cant use anything other than Launcher pro (with it set up the way I like).
CandyAndy said:
Coming from Sense first from TP2 and then from Desire there was quite big change.
But I didn't actually like Sense that much and used to use Go Launcher.
I am still using Touchwiz but there are some issues which are really annoying.
First of all the home screen is the most left one. That is so stupid. Probably the biggest issues with touchwiz.
Calendar app I think is better than with Sense. I actually uninstalled smooth calendar after finding this.
Also strange thing is that with Sense I could look my facebook pictures from the gallery application. Currently I cannot do it or then I just dont know how to do it. But that is a big downside.
After all touchwiz is not so bad as people are complaining. I dont miss the extra eye candy from Sense 3.0 and there are some good things with this UI. I would give it 7+
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You know a default.prop edit changes that to have the default screen wherever you want.
how do u do that pulser?
I went HTC Sense (On a Hero) to an iPhone 4 to SGS II.
Played on a DHD a lot whilst having an iPhone 4. I find Touchwiz 4.0 quite nice, very smooth and I prefer the browser to sense I have got used to the smoothness of the iPhone. Never liked the way the Sense browser scrolls and to be honest it's hardly changed since the Hero days, etc.
used a couple of htc devices with sense, the last one was a rooted desire with a combination of sense 2.1 and sense 3.0 and I must say that in terms of hardware samsung is ahead of any htc right now but touchwiz has nothing to do with the usability of htc sense
I don't like the calendar on SG2 (app and widget) and I need that, I don't like that SG2 social hub is not better integrated with contacts ... etc. I just love my new SG2 but I have to say it, HTC did a great job with sense
And one important thing - SG2 "smart" dialer is not so smart and some contacts I will only find if I make a search contacts, they will not appear if I type first few letters from the name .... and I hate that ... it was so easy on HTC to call someone when driving ....
I can't wait for a decent port of htc sense 3.0 on my SG2
until I will find it I have to remove touchwiz and buy spb shell 3d from the market
I came from DHD and Touch Pro 2, Tytn II with Sense.
Don't like the Touch Wiz/Samsung
-Keyboard (spezial characters on second page)
-E-Mail App (no multi Mail markers to delete at once)
-Music Player
-Facebook Integration
-Dialer
-Wheater
-no control over WLAN, GPS, 3G, Data Connection, Bluetooth, Thetering, Fly Mode and many more options etc. in one place
etc.
SGS II has a lot of power an could handle Sense easy, once it has been portet.
Sorry but TW is IMHO crap...
Would love to see a Sense Rom on SGS II
am i the only one that actually likes touchwiz??! I find it does everything really smoothly. Sense was overwhelming. It changed too many things! Once landscape is introduced for touchwiz il probably be using it by default.
Indeed, I love the TouchWiz interface and gladly choose it over sense. Since you can install a calendar widget on Samsung, but you can't get away from sense on a HTC. TouchWiz is really fast and don't change the Android experience in a bad way.
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I wasn't too fond of sense and ended up not using it in favor of adw although I occasionally went with GO and LP. Had them all on the phone. As already noted the default home screen can be moved in touchwiz, search for the thread and there are detailed instructions. Rooted users can also sort the app drawer alphabetically with an app called sort apps. It will come up in a market search for touch wiz. I am using touchwiz now but essentially with all the wiz removed. I dislike hubs as they are more bloat than benefit to me and have never used them. I love the little slider that lets you cross the home screens. Easier and quicker than pinching and done one handed instead of having to two hand to pinch or swipe all the way back and forth. I have been giving touchwiz a go for a while now. I also have LP and GO installed and I'm finding I like touchwiz once its been de wizzed. If it were customizable in being able to choose rows and columns and that sort of thing I would be happy with it.
TouchWiz has the option of getting everything in alphabetical order and in up/down list. You can move apps freely around the different pages in original mode if you wish too. I love it and the quick switches in the notification bar just makes it great.
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Will there ever be aosp for flyer?
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Funny, I was just wondering this a few minutes ago. As cool as sense is, It lags like a sob. I sure hope it will, HTC devices usually get CM7 support so we'll see. But until we get that US RUU I'm not flashing anything.
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I doubt there will be an AOSP build because it will lack the stylus integration on the Flyer.
Curious what you see lag on. The Flyer currently has the fastest processor of any tablet on the market. I find the Flyer to be very snappy. Most of Sense is just in the HTC launcher and associated widgets. You are free to use any of the 3rd party launchers instead and there are some very good ones out there like ADW EX, GO Launcher, and Launcher Pro Plus. The stock android launcher on GB is a real dog meaning very vanilla and ugly. CM7 Uses ADW instead of stock GB launcher. The stock HC launcher is not bad. The HC browser is a lot better than the GB too..
If you feel Sense is slowing you down, don't use it and use one of the 3rd party launchers instead. You can even use one of the home switcher utilities to switch between HTC sense and a different launcher on the fly and have totally different looks. The Flyer has plenty of memory so that's not a concern.
Maybe just a way to remove sense it doesn't allow use of my bluetooth keyboard or my Zeemote. The alternative is to make work around with Aosp but the later is harder.
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Hummm, which keyboard do you have. Sense really has nothing to do with keyboards, that is built into Android. My bluetooth keyboard works fine with the stock Flyer. I have a HP keyboard and an Apple keyboard, both work great. As far as the remote, the functions would need a keymap , which is probably doable.
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Curious what you see lag on. The Flyer currently has the fastest processor of any tablet on the market. I find the Flyer to be very snappy. Most of Sense is just in the HTC launcher and associated widgets. You are free to use any of the 3rd party launchers instead and there are some very good ones out there like ADW EX, GO Launcher, and Launcher Pro Plus. The stock android launcher on GB is a real dog meaning very vanilla and ugly. CM7 Uses ADW instead of stock GB launcher. The stock HC launcher is not bad. The HC browser is a lot better than the GB too..
If you feel Sense is slowing you down, don't use it and use one of the 3rd party launchers instead. You can even use one of the home switcher utilities to switch between HTC sense and a different launcher on the fly and have totally different looks. The Flyer has plenty of memory so that's not a concern.
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Where does it lag? Well, where do I start? Let’s take a look at the home screens. The widgets are down right beautiful, no denying that, but when scrolling through home screens you’ll notice lag as the widgets auto update, not a completely fluid experience. I know I could always do without those widgets or leave those home screens blank but I shouldn’t have to. Paginated scrolling is another PITA, I realize what it does by design but it makes navigating choppy nonetheless. The scrolling view isn’t much better and resets itself on restart.
I’ve also run ADW-Ex on my flyer but it’s still not as fluid as I like. I think my Bionic is to blame for that though, it fly’s by comparison. I’m no Android newb and I know a thing or two about system tweaks. There’s no question that AOSP ROMs are faster and lighter than sense ROMs. The sense framework is deep rooted and heavy, hence the 300MB ROMs versus the sub 100MB aosp ROMS.
I’m not banging on sense, I’ve owned an Inspire 4G and Thunderbolt so I knew what I was getting myself into. Sense 3.0 is a better experience overall compared to 2.1 but for me the novelty wears off after a couple of days, with the exception of the lock screen, which is insanely polished. On my sense devices I’ve run every ROM and kernel imaginable and always ended going completely CM7 or a de-bloated and de-sensed ROM.
I’m willing to live with sense, because after all I did buy this tablet but AOSP would be welcome. I'm hoping these issues I've experienced will be stomped out when HC is released. Fingers crossed.
Well I think the sense widget behave pretty typically of android widgets.
It's always a trade off between data and battery usage and background update or on demand update. Vanilla ROMs will run faster perhaps, but doing what? If you are content with basic email and browsing then its fine, but once you load it up with apps and widgets, pretty much the same with less functionality (there is not a decent email widget on the market, for example).
After all, Sense or vaniila it's built on android and it is what it is. Not saying android is bad, its very good, but its built for limited hardware (compared to any laptop or PC) and there are trades to make things work in that environment. The HC browser is a big improvement and down the road Chrome is coming.
I think HTC has themselves in a bind though because of Sense's tight integration with underlying android data structures it slows their ability to roll out software updates. Of course the advantage is that Sense widgets often do what no 3rd party apps can do.
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Oh, and to answer the original post.
There is no reason why a motivated developer could not compile a AOSP vanilla Gingerbread ROM for the Flyer right now. Gingerbread source is available and HTC kernel source is available, so it is certainly doable if anyone desires to take on the project. But in most cases extra performance doesn't come from AOSP, it comes from custom kernels where the developer has fine tuned the kernel to the specific hardware for better performance, battery life, enable additional hardware features, etc.
I disagree with sense simply being an overlay, its more of an overhaul. Take a look at the framework and jars, sense is everywhere. That's why many sense ports to other devices have failed. It's more than just widgets and a launcher. It's built on Android but it's not like touchwiz or blur.
While I do agree that the kernel is a major factor the sense ui and its widgets are clunkier. I'll take a loaded aosp rom over a loaded sense rom in a speed test any day.
There is a downside to aosp, it's boring.
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My 2 cents on the topic:
AOSP for Flyer will only be available after ICS - probably 8-10 months from now.
I agree that aosp is boring and I don't find sense at all slow. I like updating widgets and notifications.
Maybe I shouldn't say "slow ", more like "slow-ish"
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I expect as more and more of the unique features from sense find their way into base android like they have in Honeycomb and ICS, that HTC will extract themselves from the frame work mods since the widgets can accomplish most of the same things without all that interaction. When android first appeared it basically did nothing and so HTC wrote sense which made their phones a lot more attractive than say the original Moto Droid which was a real plain-jane software wise. Without HTC sense and Cyanogen Mods custom ROMs , android certainly would not be where it is today.
Now that a lot of things are built-into Android APIs and exposed so that anyone can do a pretty good widget, I'm pretty sure HTC would rather concentrate on hardware with slight customized software like every other vendor. But , Google now owns Motorola and those new phones will have the inside track on software features. Plus Google has moved toward closing some aspects of certain apps like gmail so that its more difficult for outside vendors to build quality apps or widgets that interact with some parts of android.
Unless HTC's "Open Sense" effort really takes off, I would not be surprised to see them drop sense and produce devices with a more vanilla android sooner than later.
^^^Well put.
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Is the pen integration dependand on software from HTC. If someone were to port CM7 or even CM9, would we lose all pen functionality. Could it be somehow ported over from the HTC framework?
Currently the stylus depends on HTC's Stylus SDK and is heavily tied into HTC sense, but in Android ICS there is native support for generic digital stylus, so its conceivable that some functionality could be ported.
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Hummm, which keyboard do you have. Sense really has nothing to do with keyboards, that is built into Android. My bluetooth keyboard works fine with the stock Flyer. I have a HP keyboard and an Apple keyboard, both work great. As far as the remote, the functions would need a keymap , which is probably doable.
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Verbatim 97537 Wireless Bluetooth Mobile Keyboard and Zeemote Js1. Something deep within Sense prevents pairing to these devices I've tried many drivers as well but all have failed. I'm sure if the flyer would accept these devices keymap would-be no issue. I'm currently on Io ROM and can't wait till release of a US WiFi rom.
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Io ROM? Is that a custom ROM? What happens exactly when you try to pair? Do other devices, for instance headphones pair properly? There is nothing in Sense (Sense is basically the application launcher plus widgets) that deals with Bluetooth. There are plenty of things in any particular ROM build that can affect Bluetooth.
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Io ROM? Is that a custom ROM? What happens exactly when you try to pair? Do other devices, for instance headphones pair properly? There is nothing in Sense (Sense is basically the application launcher plus widgets) that deals with Bluetooth. There are plenty of things in any particular ROM build that can affect Bluetooth.
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Yes custom ROM but on all dev Roms I've tried this happens have also tried apps such as bluez ime. I do gaming and development its nice to be able to mount flyer hands free ie: via controllers.
Sorry, to answer question only on these types of devices do I have problems. For example my WiFi Bluetooth and slave components do not seem affected I use my Motorola rocker HD Bluetooth headphones quite a bit with the flyer and have no problem, also my big bulky mac WiFi keyboard works as well.
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Is there anyway to completely remove sense from the flyer?
Or a rom that is just stock honeycomb without sense?
I'm talking about everything, even the menus.
Possible, but lots of work and not likely. No benefit to it,
The so called stock, AOSP ROM is a myth. There is no such thing. No functional ROM without the hardware vendors files and code that interface the hardware to the rest of the OS. What Google produces as Android runs on no actual device , none , nada. It's only the GUI and API. Leaving the kernel, and drivers and radio sections at a minimum to the hardware builders.
Thanks for the quick reply. Just didn't want to waste time if it wasn't a simple rom
The following custom ROM removes some Sense elements. As I haven't tried it myself, don't know if the menus are re-themed to look more AOSP.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1411170
As already mentioned, the Sense framework is deeply integrated into the ROM, so removing it is a lot of work, as is porting in vanilla Android elements.
But my main point is that it gains you nothing and lose lots (pen, notes integration, widgets). No speed, no memory (we got lots) . and you can have the look without doing anything hard, you don't even need to root.
I already got your main point. No need to rehash it. I agree the the Flyer has enough CPU and memory muscle to run Sense smoothly, which was not the case with past devices, especially phones (but even newer phones are starting to have the specs to run Sense very smoothly). But many people just don't like the Sense aesthetics and prefer the Vanilla Android look. I was just addressing the original question by the OP.
For some reason, I like the look of stock HC much better. It's sleeker. Sense is very bubbly looking.
Also, it's very annoying that I'm missing the core android apps like email, calendar, internet.
The menus in HC look much sleeker than sense, which is cluttered with large fonts
DigitalMD said:
Possible, but lots of work and not likely. No benefit to it,
The so called stock, AOSP ROM is a myth. There is no such thing. No functional ROM without the hardware vendors files and code that interface the hardware to the rest of the OS. What Google produces as Android runs on no actual device , none , nada. It's only the GUI and API. Leaving the kernel, and drivers and radio sections at a minimum to the hardware builders.
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Correct me if im wrong but isnt CM stock AOSP? then again you may be right cause CM9 sounds soo good it might as well be mythical lol
If you do a little research you will find that you can customize the fonts and backgrounds and many other aspects of sense or any launcher you choose. You can also switch launchers if you like, even on the fly. You don;t need a new ROM to do that. its personal preference, but I love the Sense widgets and for me , they do more and function better than stock which I find boring and for example stock email, not very good.
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Correct me if im wrong but isnt CM stock AOSP? then again you may be right cause CM9 sounds soo good it might as well be mythical lol
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OK let me correct you. CM7 and now CM9 are far far from stock. That was the intent and that is their appeal. They are based around non-stock launchers, ADW for CM7 and Tribuche for CM9 and have countless mods, additions and special features that are not stock.
And Motorola CEO (now owned by Goggle) has declared that the "mythical AOSP ROM does not exist" and nobody wants boring stock Andorid devices.
So it must be true......
At any rate , expect Google to add in even more vendor customization hooks so that vendors can differentiate their products.
In my opinion the sense launcher is just better than the stock hc. I like stock browser more than HTC browser, as well as keyboard. So I switch out the bits and pieces I like. There will never be an asop room for this device. To each his or her own but the pieces to modify your set up are available if you look. Pick and choose what fits your preference
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The sense widgets aren't resizable, that's their main issue.
I do like the HTC launcher though.
Any suggestions on how to get the stock menus? Or not simple enough? I know how to load most of the stock apps
Stock menus is not easy, and I do not believe anyone had managed it yet
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stock menus, no, but there is a entire thread on mods and skinning sense on XDA somewhere
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For some reason, I like the look of stock HC much better. It's sleeker. Sense is very bubbly looking.
Also, it's very annoying that I'm missing the core android apps like email, calendar, internet.
The menus in HC look much sleeker than sense, which is cluttered with large fonts
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How do you differentiate between sense and hc? You can't ”uninstall” it, so how what is ”stock hc” and how can/does it look any different?
JB
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I would assume talking about launcher, widgets, and apps like email.
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IF you look at the Acer A100, it uses the stock HC launcher. Not a lot of difference, but you don;t get the Sense widgets, Instead there are some stock HC widgets and some Acer widgets.
If you look in the LeeDroid HC thread, you see that Lee has included the stock HC launcher in his ROM and you cna switch between stock and HTC. There are also some neat tweaks for the app drawer there
For those of you looking for some serious GUI tweaks and lots of options, keep an eye on Paul of MoDaCo fame here on this thread. Once he gives Flyer HC the MRC treatment , you will be in for a treat.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1251165
I'm currently on LeeDrOiD's Gingerbread, rooted and all. I installed "System app remover" and it was easy to remove the Sense lockscreen. After reboot, I now have the raw Android lockscreen. In this advanced app remover, the actual "Sense" is listed, but it warns me that it's a "key module". If I remove it and reboot, will I get freeze and need to re-roll and old Nandroid backup? Just curious. And oh, I'm not really asking for user interface (running different launcher anyways), but it's really more about the fact that rumor has it that the Sense backbone is what's making HTC devices having problem with certain Bluetooth devices, for instance the Wii remote controller, which will not pair as easily on e.g. my Galaxy S3 LTE. On HTC phones, you need to install extra bloat software etc. So, any ideas?