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So I've come to a delimma.
Sooner or later, there will be an official port for CM9 or AOKP for the Evo LTE.
I had an OG evo for 2 years, and never really liked sense. Even when Sense 3.0 came out, I liked the ring lockscreen and the fact that you could drag a new message to the ring to open it etc... But I always found the sense 3.0 ports to the OG Evo to be half baked, or slow/laggy.
I stuck true to Evo Deck, and when he started developing the ICS deck, I kept up with it, as well as AOKP.
After using my Evo LTE for a week, I've grown to like sense 4. I really like the lockscreen features, specifically the dragging message feature. I find that sense 4.0, true to it's theory of development, is much less obtrusive than sense 3.0, but deep down I still have a yearning for pure google, the true ICS flavor (or at least AOKP, same flavor, but with sprinkles.)
I know that the lockscreen shortcuts can be emulated with a quad or octo lockscreen, but what about the sliding message feature?
What are your guys' thoughts on the matter?
Who's going to stick with HTC's sense when CM9 or AOKP (or even Kush's ROM if he's making it own, haven't kept up with it recently) come or, and who's going to jump ship to a non-sense rom and why?
I'm excited to hear what everyone else thinks!
Have you looked at go locker? Or widget locker? Those two have some nice features that emulate the sense lockscreen and are nice when you run aosp and aokp.
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Hmm, I don't generally like using third party lockscreens, in my experience they're pretty buggy and don't mesh well with the os, a lot of blinking out when you unlock lag, re-locks etc
get a nexus LOL .
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CM9 all the way as soon as it's released. I actually had a hard time deciding between this and the Galaxy Nexus but I couldn't pass up on the specs of this thing.
Cm9 allllll the way... As long as all the camera functions get ported over.
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so is ANYONE sticking with sense?
I also noticed that google wallet doesn't work with rooted phones....
I'll go back and forth between the two. I love sense4 but it's glitchy.
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so is ANYONE sticking with sense?
I also noticed that google wallet doesn't work with rooted phones....
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I tried setting up Google Wallet today just for the hell of it and it just wouldn't work. I think it's because I have 2-step verification enabled on my account. Doesn't matter, I never really planned on using it anyway except maybe to spend the $10 they give you for signing up. There are about 4 different mobile payment methods that are all supported by different companies (almost none of which support Google Wallet) I have a feeling it's not going to survive very long anyway. Even the GNex on Verizon doesn't have it installed because Verizon supports a different payment method.
As for Sense, it was useful on earlier versions of Android to make things a little prettier and more user friendly. Matias Duarte and his team have done a great job to address that and now I just feel it gets in the way. Think of what you have to go through just to change the wallpaper. On stock ICS you long press on the screen and choose change wallpaper. On this you pull down the notification tray>settings>personalize>wallpaper. It's just not intuitive and simple like it should be.
Another thing that bothers me is the recent apps. It seems like they changed some stuff just for the sake of changing it and have a worse implementation of it.
I personally have always preferred Sense or Sense based ROMs. Could never get into the vanilla experience on a phone it just looks so "8 bit" to me. I'll definitely be keeping Sense 4, love the look and functionality.
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I personally have always preferred Sense or Sense based ROMs. Could never get into the vanilla experience on a phone it just looks so "8 bit" to me. I'll definitely be keeping Sense 4, love the look and functionality.
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There in lies the beauty of Android, everyone can have exactly what they like. Take for instance the roms for the OG EVO by MagnusRagnarok, I always felt they were way over the top but there are a lot of people who liked them. I personally always defaulted to either CM7 or Fresh roms. I do feel that ICS is quite beautiful in it's elegance though, much more so than earlier versions of Android. It's not handicapped like iOS but still very intuitive.
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There in lies the beauty of Android, everyone can have exactly what they like. Take for instance the roms for the OG EVO by MagnusRagnarok, I always felt they were way over the top but there are a lot of people who liked them. I personally always defaulted to either CM7 or Fresh roms. I do feel that ICS is quite beautiful in it's elegance though, much more so than earlier versions of Android. It's not handicapped like iOS but still very intuitive.
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This is what matters is to keep what you said in mind. For example I like to try the newest thing but I got the EVO over the nexus for sense. That way I could play with the newest thing but always go back to sense.
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I've never flashed ROMs before and initially I loved Sense, however the issues with multitasking and Sense reboots is driving me insane!
Nova Launchers is helping, but I think I'll be trying a ROM, but only if it's fully functional.
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so is ANYONE sticking with sense?
I also noticed that google wallet doesn't work with rooted phones....
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I will stick with sense as I have not had the issues others have had. (Multitask, lag, etc..) Sense seems to run fine for me, hell it's a phone..
Also I have rooted my phone and google wallet works just fine. It did take me many attempts to get my 10$ credit but it seems to wkr fine. the issue I have is I never take my phone with me into stores, etc... so I haven't tested it yet...
I am going to get some (already ordered) some NFC tags so I can play with that seems kewl..
http://tagsfordroid.com/tags/Home.html
Also I really love the camera on this phone and all the functions. It's pretty awesome!
I will hang on to sense for a while until CM9 is fully vetted...and seems stable then I will probably try it...
So far so good... my friends are jealous!
For anyone who hasn't tried it yet the sense 4 car dock is arguably the best car dock I've used.
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I've always used Sense. I want to like stock and it is getting better but I still feel it is just a little behind UI wise.
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Thanks for the good discussion! I'm still on the OG EVO, running SOS ROM. Swagstr has done wonders to make Sense 1.0 run as it should but what I'm hearing regarding sense 4.0 just bugs me. Multitasking is something I use a lot of and sense restarts have always plagued me. I love the scenes in sense, use one for home and one for work and generally like the polish it brings. Hate the laggy aspects as well.
I love the new EVO hardware and while I was tempted to go with the GNex, it's just too dated now. If it wasn't for the multitasking screw up, I'd be picking one up today. In the meantime, I'm reading reviews and seeing what the Devs have in store.
A couple of questions:
What are the opinions on multitasking? I switch from Touchdown to Enhanced Email, to Voice, Pulse, Handcent almost constantly during the day. This sounds like a hair pulling situation in Sense 4.
Sense restarts? I know it's a sure thing to restart if too many browser tabs are open, but I also get it if I switch from Pulse to browser or another app a few too many times. Are people seeing frequent restarts?
Thanks again!
I haven't used sense in over a year. I use widget locker for the lockscreen, nova launcher for the launcher, beautiful widgets for the time/weather on the home screen. Even use a different dialer - dialer one, which allows way more customization than the stock.
IMO, sense does nothing more than dumb down the phone. If you want a dumb phone, go iphone
The pic below with the clock at the top is my home screen. Clock at the bottom is the lock screen. Everything right where I need it.
I've always liked sense best because I didn't really like the look of stock android, but now ICS went better on the UI side. I still think I like sense 4 better though.
I actually liked Sense as well. Even though I rooted my OG EVO to get superuser stuff and wi-fi tether, I stuck with sense.
Sense 4 looked very nice BUT it was reloading constantly. Every time i exited an app.
There are several root-required tweeks I have seen that are supposed to help this, but I'm not sure how much you can do as much memory as Sense is taking up.
For now problem solved with Nova Launcher, which I think I will keep even after I decide to Root & ROM - Very interested in what is going on with Viper's custom ROM myself.
Also, if you want to try a different phone dialer, check out aTakephone, just like my old Treo!
And I don't think it's related to the SoC. I think it might be more related to Sense, or HTC in general. The phone is fast, but there's some situations where it's very slow. Could be ICS too, I'm not sure. I notice that when switching between apps, or if I go a while without cleaning out open apps, I get a lot of lag. This is a concern because it never happened with my E4GT (I never bothered closing apps on that phone unless they were using GPS or something, and I HAD to).
Also (and here's one I'm sure everyone can try) when I'm looking at a photo in the gallery, and I click the "share" button, it takes 3-4 full seconds before the menu finally pops up. Is this normal? Again, never happened on my old phone. I might just be grasping for straws here, but it's the little things that bug me.
I'm running ViperROM 1.2.1 (I believe), and I've done the dual-core enhancement. I'm also running Nova PRIME.
Anyone else notice these kinds of annoying things?
I think it is sense/htc. Although the current cm9 is still what I'd consider in alpha stage, look at the rom zip, ~200MB vs close to 600MB for the other roms floating around. Add maybe 50-80MB to the cm9 for gapps, and you're still less than half of stock. All that bloatware has to run somehow. I think as time goes on, it'll be determined exactly what can safely be stripped away from sense to reduce bloat. Officially, the phone is hardly a week old, unofficial a bit over 2 weeks. Give it a month or two.
True. Good to know I'm not the only one
I'm actually pleasantly surprised at how popular this phone is with the dev community. I mean, root was available before it was in the hands of the masses, lol.
Can't wait for CM9! Ran CM7 on my OG EVo and LOVED IT! I just hope getting LTE to work on CM9 isn't as painful as getting Wimax to work on CM7
Given how much I used wimax with the old evo, if CM should comeout without functioning LTE, i'll still switch. By that time, LTE should be rolled out in chicago in masses, and hopefully 3g performance will be what it should be (1-1.5mbps down /1mbps up). For what I do, that's more than enough bw.
I already use different third party apps for practically every fundamental function of the phone. Converting from sense to something else will be real easy this time. With the old evo much time was spent trying different apps out to figure out what works best or gives a good user experience.
It would be nice if sense camera functionality was ported over in full. One thing htc did get right with the phone was the camera and the app.
Try a different launcher like Nova Launcher and see if it's still slow.... Maybe try a different rom.
I too have noticed slowdowns when using the phone after some time....
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Try a different launcher like Nova Launcher and see if it's still slow.... Maybe try a different rom.
I too have noticed slowdowns when using the phone after some time....
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It would be nice if sense camera functionality was ported over in full. One thing htc did get right with the phone was the camera and the app.
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Ehhh, it's hit or miss for me. I've taken some very nice shots, but honestly the majority of my low-light shots have looked like absolute crap. The app's native AUTO settings are pretty bad for low-light shooting. Even the presets aren't that good. I have to manually adjust the expose and contrast to get anything remotely good. Daylight shots, however, are absolutely brilliant.
I have the paid version of CameraZOOM FX, but I don't think it plays very well with this camera. The exposure and color levels look good in low-light shots, but the pictures come out very out-of-focus for me. Not sure what that's related to.
But yeah to the other member who mentioned it, I'm using Nova Prime and it made my experience a whole lot better over the Sense launcher. Still not where I want it to be, though
Either way, very happy with the device. Screen is beautiful and the device itself is sexy as hell.
Don't complain if you're using a rom. Roms are not perfect. Not the phone fault. This should be put in that rom's thread
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Don't complain if you're using a rom. Roms are not perfect. Not the phone fault. This should be put in that rom's thread
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No, it shouldn't.
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OP says he's using Nova Prime.
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Hmm that really sucks... I get lag too and it's kinda annoying.... Looks like we'll have to wait for the devs to fix this problem or an update from HTC.
Memory management is much too aggressive with HTC's factory settings. Apps get bumped out of memory too easily. I had the same issue. I suggest you try this -
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1681183
My device (I'm loathe to call it a phone, it's SO much MORE... ) runs much better with Mr. V's mod - and I still get great battery life.
EDIT: Don't forget to nandroid first!
HTH,
-Jerry
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Memory management is much too aggressive with HTC's factory settings. Apps get bumped out of memory too easily. I had the same issue.
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I have to say I don't think it's just the memory management problem. In fact, I wish there were less "management" and more "memory". In today's world of ICS, large screens, memory-hogging GPUs, and background apps, most Android phones don't have enough memory to run all the apps we would like to have. Especially for power users.
Since the OP was using ViperROM, he/she already has the memory optimizations you pointed suggested. As do I, although, I placed them there manually on Stock. Memory management will only get you so far. I still get quite a bit of performance hits when switching apps. Worse than that though, I get apps that have been killed in the BG and thus didn't fully save state so when I go back to them, I've lost the work I've done. Truly annoying.
HTC (and others) need to get a better imagination in terms of future-proofing (or even now-proofing) their products. I bought the LTEvo based on timing (contract renewal), reviews and loyalty for HTC (been on it since the G1). I can only assume that the reviewers didn't put on many apps when they reviewed the product.
Every time I've upgraded, I've been unhappy with the amount of space available - particularly RAM since the SDcard is upgrade-able. 1GB was "ok" in the GB- era. I'm looking forward to my next upgrade when HTC will (finally) get it right ... I hope.
@ailima -
You're right. I must have been running on fumes when I read the OP.
I tried ViperROM, but went back to stock. I noticed lag after awhile.
On my OG EVO, if I wasn't running CM7.x, I'd either have MikG or Tommy Tomatoes Classic. Both odexed ROMs. IIRC, Aamikam has said that odexed performs better, and I believe him. Also, my experience bears this out. Stock with the dual-core ultimate mod is running way better for me than stock without.
I've noticed a few petty complaints about the phone, and they are all pointing fingers in the wrong direction. The phone itself is great. It's the software.
The software is crashing my phone more than my og Evo. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. This phone has double the ram of the OG EVO so, it's definitely not the hardware.
Also, Sense has to be the culprit for killing multitasking. There's some ROMS out there that can be flashed on the Evo LTE, that eliminate this problem. Another Sense disappointment.
And last but not least. The look and feel of sense is beginning to look and feel very dated. This is why people are going crazy over dev support, right now.
I'm not a HTC Sense hater, but they definitely need to change it up asap. If I were them I would just put out a, high end pure Google Android device and start from scratch.
Maybe, put a scrolling setting tool bar, that scroll left to right on top of the screen, instead of a drag down bar. Change the flip clock its old and boring now. I had that on my HTC Mogul! It's time to change the game up. And I think it's about that time
Certainly wish it was a bit more polished. Wasn't there something floating around awhile back that they only had 4 months to make sense 4 with ICS?
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i have to agree. sense is not bad, just not as smooth and fast as vanilla android. infact its quite slow so such amazing hardware. i check the forum a few times a day for a working version of cm9 or 10 only to be disapointed everytime.
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Certainly wish it was a bit more polished. Wasn't there something floating around awhile back that they only had 4 months to make sense 4 with ICS?
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That may be true. I think I can recall seeing a article about that.
I'm running sense 4 on my 3d, and I have to say that sense 4 is amazing. If you want a change then go with a different phone. I'm not saying that sense doesn't have minor bugs, because it does. But if you're looking for a different look and feel then change it up a bit.
But I like my Sense 4.
I love Sense, although I'm hoping Jelly Bean will make performance and stability improvements, of course. It does crash and restart for me, but rarely. It might be the ROM and apps you've loaded that are causing these issues, along with flashed mods, and so forth. Every time these things are done, increases the chances of destabilizing the platform. This is a part of the game that should be embraced.
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I'm running sense 4 on my 3d, and I have to say that sense 4 is amazing. If you want a change then go with a different phone. I'm not saying that sense doesn't have minor bugs, because it does. But if you're looking for a different look and feel then change it up a bit.
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That's definitely not out the question. Once you've been loyal to a company since the HTC Mogul, then you may find it just a little bit harder to leave from a hardware standpoint. Like I said Sense isn't bad. It's just buggy and dated.
If Sense is the same during my next upgrade, I'm definitely jumping to another phone. Sad to say.
And yes thanks to this XDA I can change it up a bit. This site has a hand in what a lot of the consumers buy, believe it or not, just because of the hard work of these Devs do to bring longevity to our phones. They spoiled us.
My reasoning now is for the users who don't root. It's a struggle right now.
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I love Sense, although I'm hoping Jelly Bean will make performance and stability improvements, of course. It does crash and restart for me, but rarely. It might be the ROM and apps you've loaded that are causing these issues, along with flashed mods, and so forth. Every time these things are done, increases the chances of destabilizing the platform. This is a part of the game that should be embraced.
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Yeah, hopefully jelly bean iron some things out.
As far as the crashes, im pretty positive its sense. I have no widgets beside the sense clock and power setting widget. Everything else is minor apps that control some of nothing. My only questionable app is Facebook. That app is so horrible. It does too much and hogs data like crazy. I'm always, clearing my cache on that app. And I won't decide to root, until maybe October.
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That's definitely not out the question. Once you've been loyal to a company since the HTC Mogul, then you may find it just a little bit harder to leave from a hardware standpoint. Like I said Sense isn't bad. It's just buggy and dated.
If Sense is the same during my next upgrade, I'm definitely jumping to another phone. Sad to say.
And yes thanks to this XDA I can change it up a bit. This site has a hand in what a lot of the consumers buy, believe it or not, just because of the hard work of these Devs do to bring longevity to our phones. They spoiled us.
My reasoning now is for the users who don't root. It's a struggle right now.
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I happen to love Sense and I am not rooted and never plan to. I like the iconic flip clock and believe it sets HTC apart from all the other androids out there. I do get bored with the "look" of my screens from time to time and change things up with Beautiful Widgets, themes, keyboards and the like. I wish the continuous scroll of the home screens remained (not the carousel) however. At least with Android these phones can be totally customized, which is why I could never be an iPhone user.
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I'd have to agree. I got the OG EVO on release day and absolutely loved it. Then came Gingerbread and all the sense reboots. I was hoping with this phone the sense reboots would go away, unfortunately I was wrong. It amazes me with the amount of RAM this phone has, that with very little apps installed, I only have about 200 MBs free. I ended up rooting and flashing CleanROM DE and love this EVO all over again. I just wish I wouldn't have had to root to avoid the HTC Sense reboots. I did try APEX Launcher for a bit, but noticed it would restart as well, though not quite as bad.
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I'd have to agree. I got the OG EVO on release day and absolutely loved it. Then came Gingerbread and all the sense reboots. I was hoping with this phone the sense reboots would go away, unfortunately I was wrong. It amazes me with the amount of RAM this phone has, that with very little apps installed, I only have about 200 MBs free. I ended up rooting and flashing CleanROM DE and love this EVO all over again. I just wish I wouldn't have had to root to avoid the HTC Sense reboots. I did try APEX Launcher for a bit, but noticed it would restart as well, though not quite as bad.
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I wish I wasn't scared to root as of now. I know there would probably be at least two more updates from HTC are gonna come and I'll wait until then. I was gonna try Apex but thanks for the heads up. I don't use widgets and my apps are all basic, that's why the reboots are kinda bothering me.
The best phone I've ever had or used nonetheless.
I have yet to run into any problems with Sense at all. It's elegant, slimmer than before, and adds features that people from the Windows Mobile days would consider to be basic. (Hello? It's 2012, Google. Where the hell is my T9 dialing?)
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I have yet to run into any problems with Sense at all. It's elegant, slimmer than before, and adds features that people from the Windows Mobile days would consider to be basic. (Hello? It's 2012, Google. Where the hell is my T9 dialing?)
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This. I haven't had any lockups or freezes yet, and Sense runs better than I've ever seen it run on a phone before. Everything is smooth and aesthetically pleasing.
Are you guys with no problems, rooted?
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Are you guys with no problems, rooted?
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I was stock the entire time I had my first Evo LTE. That was for about a month and a half and I didn't have any problems. Got my new Evo yesterday (I had a radio issue that required a replacement) and rooted it because I had to start from scratch anyway. No issues rooted either.
Actually HTC Sense this year looks nice IMO. I really like the way the dock looks. One thing i dont like is the locksceen, as i fee the stock one looks best. There are some thing i wish google would incorporate into the next OS. The way HTC handles adding things to your home screens is MUCH faster than stock aosp. In stock, you have to do it one by one, or at least slowly. On sense, you do it much faster and can even add multiple widgets. Also, if u run out of space sense automatically makes a new homescreen for you. I also like the quicksettings menu (even though HTC took it off i think).
I haven't had one problem since I got the phone on launch day. With sense or anything else.
Love this device!
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I like Sense 4.0 a lot; I believe it's the best UI skin out there as far as what comes from the manufacturers. I like the widgets and the unified look and functionality of everything. It's all very polished and professional.
The only problem I have with Sense is in the way it handles multitasking. I would love to be able to pause a game to answer a text or email, and come back to where I was without the game fully reloading. Or keep 2 or 3 browser tabs open without everything reloading when I come back to it from something else. Running Nova and using less widgets helps somewhat, but you lose all the "good stuff" about Sense when you go that route. So I'm patiently waiting for a good ROM that fully addresses the memory management issues while letting Sense run to it's full potential.
I have absolutely no problems with my EVO 4G LTE. If you think Sense is the same thing it's always been, try going back and using a Sense 3 phone, like the EVO 3D. Then you'll see a difference. It's just the luster of a new product has worn off for most people. Really, most of the complaints are over petty stuff. In the end, it's a phone. It plays games well, but if you want something to do more, buy a PS3/XBOX. It plays great quality movies, but if you want something to do more, buy an HDTV. Web browsing is great on this device, but if it's still not your style, buy a laptop. Sure there's a convenience of having it all there, but really, it's time to stop being petty about the small things.
I can't get lte on cm10 so back to sense which one ??
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Try them and pick the one you like the most
stock with goodies. by far
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1701117
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Try them all and pick which works best for your. For aesthetics try tranquility by team bad Seed. Make sure you got the latest firmware
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if u want a solid hella fast rom with great battery life check out mean rom!!! butter baby!!!!:good:
viper4g room is very nice...you can customize almost everything very easily and very good battery life...
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mean vs viper what the differences and which one is beeter and more stable as daily driver ?
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mean vs viper what the differences and which one is beeter and more stable as daily driver ?
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Better is subjective, but here's my $0.02
I've been running viper since day one, and it's crazy easy to customize, which is its main claim to fame. But I've also never had any issues with bugs, reboots, or apps crashing. Literally never, not even once. It's the definition of a daily driver - everything works, it's fast, and I get great battery. It's a "set it and forget it" type of rom.
Mean seems more into the the constant tweaking and updating, and is more interested in adding the "latest and greatest" mods for the phone. It's a rom that you want to stay on top of.
From what I've seen, both roms get great support in their threads from the devs and users, but the viper crew has a reputation for being smartasses and having fun while doling out the support, so if you're the kind of guy who likes your support thread to be all business, that might come into play.
I can vouch for mean, viper and tranquility. They are all daily drivers it just depends on what suits you best. I was happy with all of them I just like trying new stuff all the time. Mean is pretty much stock with tweaks. Viper is very custumizable and tranquility is very heavily themed.
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Tried'em all. MeanRom for me by a longshot.
Mikey is constantly tweaking it, but your always in disbelief that it can get any better, and yet it does.
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+1 to mean rom, great battery, my phone has never had a reboot of any kind or even a fc(rom related anyway) He puts out outdates all the time, has an ota updater which is pretty awesome. Also pretty customizable.
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I can't get lte on cm10 so back to sense which one ??
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So, which one did you go with and how are you liking it?
Sent from my father in laws Epic Touch, because my battery is dead and I need my fix.
I've been on MeanROM since day one and now looking for other options. Linkifier no longer works, the smallest fonts are still entirely too large, the stock E-mail client is gimped and 5x4 Rosie still overlaps. I realize the latest HTC base broke most of that stuff while completely ignoring the flawed mail app, but that's not progress.
Now I'm wondering if there's another Sense ROM I should try or go straight to AOSP. If I do, I'll lose HTC's camera tweaks and the ability to update the PRL.
Viper4G gets my vote. Was my first Sense ROM to try and after trying all the others it suited me best. My favorite Sense ROM no doubt but like others have said its really down to personal preference.
V4G was, and still is a hella nice daily driver. I even trusted it enough to guide me through my vacation instead of my old lady's GPS and everything else. Awesome ROM.
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Meanrom
I just flashed it but it has a ota update feature where u can download the newest release right through the ROM itself.
Check it out.
My battery drain is minimal and its very smooth.
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No flex is the best. It comes with mad blunts and b1tches. His home number even comes in so your girlfriend can call him with any questions. Mad phat son
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No flex is the best. It comes with mad blunts and b1tches. His home number even comes in so your girlfriend can call him with any questions. Mad phat son
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Flex`s stock w/ goodies is smooth
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Gravy Train said:
I've been on MeanROM since day one and now looking for other options. Linkifier no longer works, the smallest fonts are still entirely too large, the stock E-mail client is gimped and 5x4 Rosie still overlaps. I realize the latest HTC base broke most of that stuff while completely ignoring the flawed mail app, but that's not progress.
Now I'm wondering if there's another Sense ROM I should try or go straight to AOSP. If I do, I'll lose HTC's camera tweaks and the ability to update the PRL.
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linkify works fine for me on meanrom 4.3...also that is why mike switched it the 4x4 rosie b.c 5x4 doesnt work yet (and he stated this)
he also didnt mess with the stock font so it may be the same on every sense rom for you. what are you trying to do in the stock e-mail app? i use it and thats all i use and i can do everything i need to...
bog3nator said:
linkify works fine for me on meanrom 4.3...also that is why mike switched it the 4x4 rosie b.c 5x4 doesnt work yet (and he stated this)
he also didnt mess with the stock font so it may be the same on every sense rom for you. what are you trying to do in the stock e-mail app? i use it and thats all i use and i can do everything i need to...
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1.) Linkify doesn't work in HTCMail. Hyperlinks are now dead in mail from 2.13.651.1 RUU and there is no easy fix. I believe this affects all up-to-date Sense ROMs
2.) Mike left the mail app alone and that's my beef with it-- it blows. The smallest font size is still entirely too large, which brings me to my next point..
3.) With a 720x1280 native resolution from an otherwise gorgeous 4.7" LCD, NO user deserves to be stuck with a 4x4 Rosie. Give me a ****ing break on the Playskool fonts, and I'm not 60 years old. I don't appreciate others reading my E-mail over my shoulder on an airplane, just because HTC gimped their software.
With Linkify crippled and the too-large font size still unresolved, I can't recommend a Sense ROM at this point. For me, MeanROM is there just to activate and update the PRL before flashing over to CM10.
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1.) Linkify doesn't work in HTCMail. Hyperlinks are now dead in mail from 2.13.651.1 RUU and there is no easy fix. I believe this affects all up-to-date Sense ROMs
2.) Mike left the mail app alone and that's my beef with it-- it blows. The smallest font size is still entirely too large, which brings me to my next point..
3.) With a 720x1280 native resolution from an otherwise gorgeous 4.7" LCD, NO user deserves to be stuck with a 4x4 Rosie. Give me a ****ing break on the Playskool fonts, and I'm not 60 years old. I don't appreciate others reading my E-mail over my shoulder on an airplane, just because HTC gimped their software.
With Linkify crippled and the too-large font size still unresolved, I can't recommend a Sense ROM at this point. For me, MeanROM is there just to activate and update the PRL before flashing over to CM10.
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and none of those are the caused by meanrom, i just dont want someone thinking the rom is not complete or something, everyone is entitled to what they want, unfortunately the email thing is bc of apple . but the 4x4 rosie i actually like better, widgets never fit perfectly on 4x5 rosie. i dunno personal opinion i guess
I know alot of folks here have recently JTAG'd or just aquired an s-off dna. so now that you've have a chance to look at the scene... what do you prefer?
The Viper team won't do Sense 5 and the Sense 5 ROMS are basically stock. So from what i can tell, Sense 5 ROMS look like the same as the DNA unrooted but with the currents/blinkfeed widget.
I haven't tried the Viper ROMS yet, but will this week. I'm just curious on what people are settling on.
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I know alot of folks here have recently JTAG'd or just aquired an s-off dna. so now that you've have a chance to look at the scene... what do you prefer?
The Viper team won't do Sense 5 and the Sense 5 ROMS are basically stock. So from what i can tell, Sense 5 ROMS look like the same as the DNA unrooted but with the currents/blinkfeed widget.
I haven't tried the Viper ROMS yet, but will this week. I'm just curious on what people are settling on.
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I prefer Sense 5. I've tried both. Sense 5 is definitely not Sense 4 with a Blinkfeed widget...
Won't touch a sense 4 rom anymore. You can't make me.
Sense 5 is gorgeous IMHO.
chrisomnia1 said:
Won't touch a sense 4 rom anymore. You can't make me.
Sense 5 is gorgeous IMHO.
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Same story here.
And I honestly can't wait(even though I know I'll be waiting for a while) for viper on sense 5.
But @op, the only sense 5 rom you can call stock is joelzs stock one. All of the others are pretty customized.
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love sense 5
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love sense 5
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Would have to throw in with the sense 5 guys. I hope the Viper team is reading and makes the call. I know they are considering it.
Minus BlinkFeed, Sense 5 is quite nice.
I run a Viper setup and a Sense 5 setup. I'm also running another sense 4+ setup that's oh so sweet. But typically speaking I keep a nandroid backup of each so I can just do a full wipe and restore what I want to run.
They both have their strong points, Viper offers the ultimate in customization.
But sense 5 has a lot of customizations and tweaks and performance improvements, especially Newt's rom. And there's a big update that should be dropping anytime now. Not as many different configuration options, but its still quite a bit improved and modified over stock.
Maybe it's because the JTAG guy have been stock so long, but I think only choosing one or the other is a big mistake. You should run one for a few days and then run the other for a few days.
Oh and blinkfeed isn't all bad, there was a lot of negative speculation pre release and still from people that haven't run it. I fully expected to hate it honestly. I'm not really a widget kind of person and I saw it as a permanent widget. But when I actually set it up and use it, I think it's pretty cool. However I don't do social networking like facebook. Generally speaking I don't even set blinkfeed up unless I'm going to be running that rom for a while. I'd like it removable but I'd MUCH rather have it there than not because I think it's good for HTC, it's something that wins over a lot of new to android type general consumers. And sales and the phones in peoples hands is better for all of us.
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I run a Viper setup and a Sense 5 setup. I'm also running another sense 4+ setup that's oh so sweet. But typically speaking I keep a nandroid backup of each so I can just do a full wipe and restore what I want to run.
They both have their strong points, Viper offers the ultimate in customization.
But sense 5 has a lot of customizations and tweaks and performance improvements, especially Newt's rom. And there's a big update that should be dropping anytime now. Not as many different configuration options, but its still quite a bit improved and modified over stock.
Maybe it's because the JTAG guy have been stock so long, but I think only choosing one or the other is a big mistake. You should run one for a few days and then run the other for a few days.
Oh and blinkfeed isn't all bad, there was a lot of negative speculation pre release and still from people that haven't run it. I fully expected to hate it honestly. I'm not really a widget kind of person and I saw it as a permanent widget. But when I actually set it up and use it, I think it's pretty cool. However I don't do social networking like facebook. Generally speaking I don't even set blinkfeed up unless I'm going to be running that rom for a while. I'd like it removable but I'd MUCH rather have it there than not because I think it's good for HTC, it's something that wins over a lot of new to android type general consumers. And sales and the phones in peoples hands is better for all of us.
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I like Blinkfeed. I have it set to show all the tech sites and the news I like. It does a pretty good job of summarizing the highlights. Way better than the google CURRENTS app. Although i didn't hate currents either.
I loaded viper but don't think i gave it a chance. Ive tried NOS and now on Hatka sense. Love the toggle bar and circle widgets and the built in personal hotspot.
But I'll giving Viper another go for sure. Normally I'd have about 4 to 5 restores, but with only 16 gig, i know i can't do that. I'll finishing searching for the best sense5, then back it up and go for Viper.
They both have their strong points, Viper offers the ultimate in customization.
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I like Blinkfeed. I have it set to show all the tech sites and the news I like. It does a pretty good job of summarizing the highlights. Way better than the google CURRENTS app. Although i didn't hate currents either.
I loaded viper but don't think i gave it a chance. Ive tried NOS and now on Hatka sense. Love the toggle bar and circle widgets and the built in personal hotspot.
But I'll giving Viper another go for sure. Normally I'd have about 4 to 5 restores, but with only 16 gig, i know i can't do that. I'll finishing searching for the best sense5, then back it up and go for Viper.
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Currently still using Viper 1.1.3 with custom Kernel. Will update Viper soon though. I would try Sense 5 ROM but the connection in my location is just horrid.
Will NOT use Sense 5 until you can get rid of blinkfeed. Sense 4+ is good enough for me ViperDNA
lol. seems like most love Sense 5 but nobody loves blinkfeed.
I like it, it reminds me of a better 'CURRENTS'. But i'm gonna try VIPER soon,so i'm itching to see realworld customizations.
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I run a Viper setup and a Sense 5 setup. I'm also running another sense 4+ setup that's oh so sweet. But typically speaking I keep a nandroid backup of each so I can just do a full wipe and restore what I want to run.
They both have their strong points, Viper offers the ultimate in customization.
But sense 5 has a lot of customizations and tweaks and performance improvements, especially Newt's rom. And there's a big update that should be dropping anytime now. Not as many different configuration options, but its still quite a bit improved and modified over stock.
Maybe it's because the JTAG guy have been stock so long, but I think only choosing one or the other is a big mistake. You should run one for a few days and then run the other for a few days.
Oh and blinkfeed isn't all bad, there was a lot of negative speculation pre release and still from people that haven't run it. I fully expected to hate it honestly. I'm not really a widget kind of person and I saw it as a permanent widget. But when I actually set it up and use it, I think it's pretty cool. However I don't do social networking like facebook. Generally speaking I don't even set blinkfeed up unless I'm going to be running that rom for a while. I'd like it removable but I'd MUCH rather have it there than not because I think it's good for HTC, it's something that wins over a lot of new to android type general consumers. And sales and the phones in peoples hands is better for all of us.
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Had the Viper installed for the last few days. all i can say is wow. Not missing sense 5 one bit. The amount of customizations on this rom are just sick. But more importantly, the ease of changing these via the venom tweaks menu buttons are amazing. Can change the status bar in nearly unlimited fashion, can change fonts, can change icons, etc... All of these things can be done of course on any rom, but it's all built in with menus and buttons here. Everyday i can change my phone in so many ways without having to flash. I change my mind alot and in the past 3 days, i haven't been bored.
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Had the Viper installed for the last few days. all i can say is wow. Not missing sense 5 one bit. The amount of customizations on this rom are just sick. But more importantly, the ease of changing these via the venom tweaks menu buttons are amazing. Can change the status bar in nearly unlimited fashion, can change fonts, can change icons, etc... All of these things can be done of course on any rom, but it's all built in with menus and buttons here. Everyday i can change my phone in so many ways without having to flash. I change my mind alot and in the past 3 days, i haven't been bored.
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^^This. Precisely the reason I'm using Viper. I keep finding something new every time I go into venom tweaks
Has anyone noticed increased battery life with a custom ROM and/or kernel other than stock? I'll do my own testing when I get JTAG back, but if there's a general trend I'd be interested in hearing about it.
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Has anyone noticed increased battery life with a custom ROM and/or kernel other than stock? I'll do my own testing when I get JTAG back, but if there's a general trend I'd be interested in hearing about it.
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My battery was superb on stock rom. Lasted about 2 days of normal use.
My battery on sense 5 roms with Beastmode kernal was about 1.5 days of normal use.
I'd say Viper on it's stock kernal has been about 1.2 days of normal use. Although normal use has gone up since i have a fun menu to play with and reboot more often.
I'll be searching for the best kernal/rom combo along with battery saving tips without reducing performance over the next few days.
I personally like blink feed, but hate the Sense 5 app drawer. Everything else in Sense 5 is absolutely beautiful, and I'm generally an AOSP purist type. I'm currently running newtoroot's ROM at 320dpi with Nova launcher (because I hate the app drawer more than I like blink feed - though I wish I knew how to make it work with Nova).
Basically, Sense 5 > Viper >>>> Sense 4+
I prefer Sense compared to the custom Roms of Viper and CM10. I love sense 5
I am a fan of the very clean and very simple sense 5. I don't need all the customization that comes with Viper but it works well regardless. Just depends on what you want from your rom.