I've noticed a few petty complaints about the phone, and they are all pointing fingers in the wrong direction. The phone itself is great. It's the software.
The software is crashing my phone more than my og Evo. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. This phone has double the ram of the OG EVO so, it's definitely not the hardware.
Also, Sense has to be the culprit for killing multitasking. There's some ROMS out there that can be flashed on the Evo LTE, that eliminate this problem. Another Sense disappointment.
And last but not least. The look and feel of sense is beginning to look and feel very dated. This is why people are going crazy over dev support, right now.
I'm not a HTC Sense hater, but they definitely need to change it up asap. If I were them I would just put out a, high end pure Google Android device and start from scratch.
Maybe, put a scrolling setting tool bar, that scroll left to right on top of the screen, instead of a drag down bar. Change the flip clock its old and boring now. I had that on my HTC Mogul! It's time to change the game up. And I think it's about that time
Certainly wish it was a bit more polished. Wasn't there something floating around awhile back that they only had 4 months to make sense 4 with ICS?
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i have to agree. sense is not bad, just not as smooth and fast as vanilla android. infact its quite slow so such amazing hardware. i check the forum a few times a day for a working version of cm9 or 10 only to be disapointed everytime.
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Certainly wish it was a bit more polished. Wasn't there something floating around awhile back that they only had 4 months to make sense 4 with ICS?
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That may be true. I think I can recall seeing a article about that.
I'm running sense 4 on my 3d, and I have to say that sense 4 is amazing. If you want a change then go with a different phone. I'm not saying that sense doesn't have minor bugs, because it does. But if you're looking for a different look and feel then change it up a bit.
But I like my Sense 4.
I love Sense, although I'm hoping Jelly Bean will make performance and stability improvements, of course. It does crash and restart for me, but rarely. It might be the ROM and apps you've loaded that are causing these issues, along with flashed mods, and so forth. Every time these things are done, increases the chances of destabilizing the platform. This is a part of the game that should be embraced.
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I'm running sense 4 on my 3d, and I have to say that sense 4 is amazing. If you want a change then go with a different phone. I'm not saying that sense doesn't have minor bugs, because it does. But if you're looking for a different look and feel then change it up a bit.
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That's definitely not out the question. Once you've been loyal to a company since the HTC Mogul, then you may find it just a little bit harder to leave from a hardware standpoint. Like I said Sense isn't bad. It's just buggy and dated.
If Sense is the same during my next upgrade, I'm definitely jumping to another phone. Sad to say.
And yes thanks to this XDA I can change it up a bit. This site has a hand in what a lot of the consumers buy, believe it or not, just because of the hard work of these Devs do to bring longevity to our phones. They spoiled us.
My reasoning now is for the users who don't root. It's a struggle right now.
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I love Sense, although I'm hoping Jelly Bean will make performance and stability improvements, of course. It does crash and restart for me, but rarely. It might be the ROM and apps you've loaded that are causing these issues, along with flashed mods, and so forth. Every time these things are done, increases the chances of destabilizing the platform. This is a part of the game that should be embraced.
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Yeah, hopefully jelly bean iron some things out.
As far as the crashes, im pretty positive its sense. I have no widgets beside the sense clock and power setting widget. Everything else is minor apps that control some of nothing. My only questionable app is Facebook. That app is so horrible. It does too much and hogs data like crazy. I'm always, clearing my cache on that app. And I won't decide to root, until maybe October.
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That's definitely not out the question. Once you've been loyal to a company since the HTC Mogul, then you may find it just a little bit harder to leave from a hardware standpoint. Like I said Sense isn't bad. It's just buggy and dated.
If Sense is the same during my next upgrade, I'm definitely jumping to another phone. Sad to say.
And yes thanks to this XDA I can change it up a bit. This site has a hand in what a lot of the consumers buy, believe it or not, just because of the hard work of these Devs do to bring longevity to our phones. They spoiled us.
My reasoning now is for the users who don't root. It's a struggle right now.
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I happen to love Sense and I am not rooted and never plan to. I like the iconic flip clock and believe it sets HTC apart from all the other androids out there. I do get bored with the "look" of my screens from time to time and change things up with Beautiful Widgets, themes, keyboards and the like. I wish the continuous scroll of the home screens remained (not the carousel) however. At least with Android these phones can be totally customized, which is why I could never be an iPhone user.
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I'd have to agree. I got the OG EVO on release day and absolutely loved it. Then came Gingerbread and all the sense reboots. I was hoping with this phone the sense reboots would go away, unfortunately I was wrong. It amazes me with the amount of RAM this phone has, that with very little apps installed, I only have about 200 MBs free. I ended up rooting and flashing CleanROM DE and love this EVO all over again. I just wish I wouldn't have had to root to avoid the HTC Sense reboots. I did try APEX Launcher for a bit, but noticed it would restart as well, though not quite as bad.
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I'd have to agree. I got the OG EVO on release day and absolutely loved it. Then came Gingerbread and all the sense reboots. I was hoping with this phone the sense reboots would go away, unfortunately I was wrong. It amazes me with the amount of RAM this phone has, that with very little apps installed, I only have about 200 MBs free. I ended up rooting and flashing CleanROM DE and love this EVO all over again. I just wish I wouldn't have had to root to avoid the HTC Sense reboots. I did try APEX Launcher for a bit, but noticed it would restart as well, though not quite as bad.
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I wish I wasn't scared to root as of now. I know there would probably be at least two more updates from HTC are gonna come and I'll wait until then. I was gonna try Apex but thanks for the heads up. I don't use widgets and my apps are all basic, that's why the reboots are kinda bothering me.
The best phone I've ever had or used nonetheless.
I have yet to run into any problems with Sense at all. It's elegant, slimmer than before, and adds features that people from the Windows Mobile days would consider to be basic. (Hello? It's 2012, Google. Where the hell is my T9 dialing?)
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I have yet to run into any problems with Sense at all. It's elegant, slimmer than before, and adds features that people from the Windows Mobile days would consider to be basic. (Hello? It's 2012, Google. Where the hell is my T9 dialing?)
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This. I haven't had any lockups or freezes yet, and Sense runs better than I've ever seen it run on a phone before. Everything is smooth and aesthetically pleasing.
Are you guys with no problems, rooted?
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Are you guys with no problems, rooted?
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I was stock the entire time I had my first Evo LTE. That was for about a month and a half and I didn't have any problems. Got my new Evo yesterday (I had a radio issue that required a replacement) and rooted it because I had to start from scratch anyway. No issues rooted either.
Actually HTC Sense this year looks nice IMO. I really like the way the dock looks. One thing i dont like is the locksceen, as i fee the stock one looks best. There are some thing i wish google would incorporate into the next OS. The way HTC handles adding things to your home screens is MUCH faster than stock aosp. In stock, you have to do it one by one, or at least slowly. On sense, you do it much faster and can even add multiple widgets. Also, if u run out of space sense automatically makes a new homescreen for you. I also like the quicksettings menu (even though HTC took it off i think).
I haven't had one problem since I got the phone on launch day. With sense or anything else.
Love this device!
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I like Sense 4.0 a lot; I believe it's the best UI skin out there as far as what comes from the manufacturers. I like the widgets and the unified look and functionality of everything. It's all very polished and professional.
The only problem I have with Sense is in the way it handles multitasking. I would love to be able to pause a game to answer a text or email, and come back to where I was without the game fully reloading. Or keep 2 or 3 browser tabs open without everything reloading when I come back to it from something else. Running Nova and using less widgets helps somewhat, but you lose all the "good stuff" about Sense when you go that route. So I'm patiently waiting for a good ROM that fully addresses the memory management issues while letting Sense run to it's full potential.
I have absolutely no problems with my EVO 4G LTE. If you think Sense is the same thing it's always been, try going back and using a Sense 3 phone, like the EVO 3D. Then you'll see a difference. It's just the luster of a new product has worn off for most people. Really, most of the complaints are over petty stuff. In the end, it's a phone. It plays games well, but if you want something to do more, buy a PS3/XBOX. It plays great quality movies, but if you want something to do more, buy an HDTV. Web browsing is great on this device, but if it's still not your style, buy a laptop. Sure there's a convenience of having it all there, but really, it's time to stop being petty about the small things.
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I had an HD2 when it first came out. Bought it on a whim. I regretted it about the second day I had it. The phone had SOOOO many glitches, especially with HTC sense. I had to reset it pretty much twice per day. Screen freezes, galore!! So my question is what glitches do you see with HTC sense on this phone? I am pretty interested in getting this phone, especially since verizon has such better coverage in more areas than T-mobile. But I am torn since with my N1 I can still use it as a wifi hotspot for free, tho this reason is probably suited under a different topic. Thanks!
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I had an HD2 when it first came out. Bought it on a whim. I regretted it about the second day I had it. The phone had SOOOO many glitches, especially with HTC sense. I had to reset it pretty much twice per day. Screen freezes, galore!! So my question is what glitches do you see with HTC sense on this phone? I am pretty interested in getting this phone, especially since verizon has such better coverage in more areas than T-mobile. But I am torn since with my N1 I can still use it as a wifi hotspot for free, tho this reason is probably suited under a different topic. Thanks!
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I'm running LPro right now, that's just my fav, but when I was using Sense I didn't have any issues ... not really sure why a lot of people hate it so much ?
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I'm running LPro right now, that's just my fav, but when I was using Sense I didn't have any issues ... not really sure why a lot of people hate it so much ?
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i personally love htc sense lol i have no issues as of yet
I have had a DROID Incredible since the summer and haven't had any real issues with HTC Sense. Mind you I was only running the stock ROM for about a week before I was rooted and on a custom ROM... But regardless I haven't had any issues w/ sense.
NO issues with HTC Sense at all.
Thats good to know. I am still a little bit wary of putting a custom ROM onto any phone for fear of bricking the device, but maybe one of these days I will try it out. Maybe more of the glitches came from WinMo 6.5. I remember there were text messaging bugs and media player bugs. If you put too many songs onto the SD card, the voice control feature would crash for some reason.
Can't never Eva compare the hd2 windows running sense than a tb or any android running sense.. way different.. and no. No freezing... Perfect example. I still have my hd2 but now running androind(nand) with sense. ***** runs flawless.
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I love sense and I think there is a lot of false hate going on with it. If the ones hating it would give it a try I bet half of them would also love it. With that said, some people think its cool to hate on things, so they jump on the bandwagon.
Sense on the thunderbolt is even beter then the incredible.
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This is definitely the best android phone i have ever used and i have used plenty.
I have always felt the need for cyanogenmod on every phone i have owned.
The sense 3.0 gives me everything I could ask for.
The quick settings on the notification bar are awesome and I love the way they incorporated it.
Honestly the only reason I feel I would need root is for tethering.
Other than that there really isn't a thing I would want to change except maybe a little theming.
Overall I give this phone a perfect 10
I'd love to see the iphone 5 or any other android phone dare to step up.
Htc owns
Good job htc for listening to people. I have never liked sense until now and always chose pure android.
As far as the bootloader I am a little upset but I have faith in everyone at xda
And even htc possibly coming through with their promise.
All they need is a nexus one style unlockable bootloader.
That will cover their asses and please the dev community at the same time.
Nobody has anything to lose by doing this especially with such a solid device.
Anybody else agree or disagree?
I agree. I just want root for the ability to run apps that require root. This sense 3.0 is awesome. I ran the kingdom port on my OG EVO and it wasn't even close to being as smoothe.
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Custom kernals would be nice also lol
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Agreed. I'm greatly looking forward to rooting and custom roms, but this is the first phone in ~8 years that I'd still be happy with it I had to leave it 100% stock.
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Agreed. I'm greatly looking forward to rooting and custom roms, but this is the first phone in ~8 years that I'd still be happy with it I had to leave it 100% stock.
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Totally agree, not missing CM all that bad like I thought I would have. I wish htc would make the choice to have a % for the batt. Need some UOT kitchen love once we get root.
Yea i don't mind being stock right now either since root was to install sense 3.0 anyway. I know cm7 will be unbelievably fast though when it is on this thing lol.
I have to agree i really like 3.0 but i feel that we still need root because i like to remove system apps like friend stream and amazon ect . Also like over clocking the cpu and the wireless tether. I think xda really makes the phone with the great community.But over all the 3d is a really great phone 3.0 is great and super fast ! And battery life seems alot better on the 3d then it was on the evo 4g. Im loving this phone ! but without root and xda it might just have to go back to sprint !
Even though the phone runs great now, and sense 3.0 is good, imagine how a cleaned up version of sense 3.0 with no bloatware will run especially overclocked.
It's great how it is but I like custom roms and to try cool dev work. Let's not forget ice cream! We would be the first to have it!
they did a great job with this phone...Just wish we got a beefier speaker and it would be 100% perfection for me..As it stands now Im going to need a bluetooth in my truck...
This phone is definitely the cats tits....Love it
I payed $7 for titanium backup l, I'd like to still use it.
Also being able to removed Amazon mp3 and a few other bloat would be nice, also kernels. Im sure ill be itching to flash something soon.
sense 3.0 is win pure and simple i have not even looked at adw or launcher pro on my e3d
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sense 3.0 is win pure and simple i have not even looked at adw or launcher pro on my e3d
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Yeah, the wow-factor finally wore off this morning. It's still sense, it just spins a little more. The app drawer still chronically blows, it's still a resource hog, and the sexyness of the widgets wears off after a day or so...
I tried old reliable Launcher Pro.... it was as to be expected....screamin', but the app drawer stuttered every few rows while scrolling....which was enough to irritate me.
ADWex on the other hand....which while always excellent was never quite up to par with LP's silky smoothness now is a model of perfection that LP is going to have to chase down to get back on top....
I'll put it this way, cm7 w/ LP on my 4G runs as fast and smooth in some ways and faster and smoother in other ways as my 3D running Sense, and it takes a whole extra overclocked evo4g worth of hardware to do that.
I gotta admit, I was a 3D hater...but I do enjoy the 3D feature....I've been draining my battery over and over again taking and viewing 3D pix and vids....I gotta admit, it's a very very fun feature....though I totally do not see 3D in that spiderman game
The phone is great, but those HTC geeks forgot to put speaker holes on the back cover so sound can come through better.
So your not liking launcher pro,adw etc vs sense?
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I gotta admit, I was a 3D hater...but I do enjoy the 3D feature....I've been draining my battery over and over again taking and viewing 3D pix and vids....I gotta admit, it's a very very fun feature....though I totally do not see 3D in that spiderman game
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3D is definitely cooler than I expected. I see the depth in Spiderman just fine.. did you notice the in-game 3D adjustment? You can actually adjust the amount of depth.
Also, once I got all the settings right LPP runs excellent but sense is such a ram glutton regardless. I'm really just playing so far, not going to settle in too deep until we have root.
I don't know...I gave up sense long ago on my evo but sense 3 is damn sexy. I'm not tired of it yet. The widgets look great with that 3d effect and scrolling is smooth for me.
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I don't know...I gave up sense long ago on my evo but sense 3 is damn sexy. I'm not tired of it yet. The widgets look great with that 3d effect and scrolling is smooth for me.
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3D Widgets?? Watchoo talking bout, Willis?
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3D Widgets?? Watchoo talking bout, Willis?
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Turn the page slowly, and you'll see the Widgets pop out at ya. Its subtle, and probably wouldn't see it if you're scrolling pages quickly.
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Turn the page slowly, and you'll see the Widgets pop out at ya. Its subtle, and probably wouldn't see it if you're scrolling pages quickly.
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Ah, yeah it's about time they polished sense up a bit. It would be cool to see actual 3d transitions and other ui elements, the htc messaging and mail widgets would be cool.
I read, thread after thread, where people said that SenseUI was a huge slowdown for the benchmarks (Quadrant, NeoMark, etc) and that once the 3VO was rooted, it would be as fast as the Galaxy SII.
Now the root process is out and there are scripts to remove Sense. So, did the phone speed up at all or is the dual core Snapdragon just slow?
I'm past my 30 days, but I have had numerous issues with my phone. I am either going to swap it, or ask to just return it. Since the phone has this many issues, they usually will not care that I am at 33 days.
Anyway, I love HTC phones because of the hacking community, I loved my EVO4G and I like to think that the 3VO will get better with custom ROMs and kernels. But, if removing SenseUI and having root hasn't really improved performance, I may just skip this version and wait for the next EVO.
I don't care if it is as fast as the SGSII. I just want to see a good improvement.
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Benchmarks can't measure user experience, they are simply a tool for bragging rights.
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After I disabled almost everything htc and sense related possible. I did see a significant increase in the browser performance. That's just something I noticed.
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Benchmarks can't measure user experience, they are simply a tool for bragging rights.
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I understand that. Yet, that is mostly when you are comparing two different phones. When using just a single phone, they can be a great tool for measuring performance changes.
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After I disabled almost everything htc and sense related possible. I did see a significant increase in the browser performance. That's just something I noticed.
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Great to hear. Is this just with the Android browser or also with, say, Dolphin?
I can't imagine what you consider fast. In my experience Samsung's phones always fall behind HTC in user experience speed, but do well with 3d acceleration
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I read, thread after thread, where people said that SenseUI was a huge slowdown for the benchmarks (Quadrant, NeoMark, etc) and that once the 3VO was rooted, it would be as fast as the Galaxy SII.
Now the root process is out and there are scripts to remove Sense. So, did the phone speed up at all or is the dual core Snapdragon just slow?
I'm past my 30 days, but I have had numerous issues with my phone. I am either going to swap it, or ask to just return it. Since the phone has this many issues, they usually will not care that I am at 33 days.
Anyway, I love HTC phones because of the hacking community, I loved my EVO4G and I like to think that the 3VO will get better with custom ROMs and kernels. But, if removing SenseUI and having root hasn't really improved performance, I may just skip this version and wait for the next EVO.
I don't care if it is as fast as the SGSII. I just want to see a good improvement.
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You go from saying it wasnt as fast.. to saying it had a bunch of issues to saying it wasn't fast enough again.
Do you honestly think the SG2 is going to be even noticeably faster without first watching a video of the 2 phones side by side?
No. I guarantee you wouldn't. But since you see a video of the SG2 loading 100th of a second faster....than gee whiz is this thing an abacus or what!
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Great to hear. Is this just with the Android browser or also with, say, Dolphin?
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I only use the stock browser, but after freezing all the bloat, pages load faster and the bookmarks pull up a lot quicker. Just everything seems snappier.
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tell that to my exwife
Even removing a lot of sense stuff all the sense framework is still there. Sense won't fully be removed until there's a cm7/aosp build out, which will take a little while.
Not to mention someone is gonna have a LOT of work to get 3d to work with aosp source.I'm guessing a lot won't care about that(I don't), but some will. I'm gonna start messing around with some.aosp stuff this weekend.
sense or not, rooted or not. This phone is still fast. Faster than my og evo i know that. If i want to appreciate my e3d and its speed, all i need to do is grab my niece phone (my old evo which i gave to her).
You can wait for a senseless rom, but dont forget that sense gives you a lot of convenient apps within. Any rom that i flash will be a sense rom on my e3d.
Wait until there are some custom kernels available for this phone.
I've been hearing that the second core acts more like a failover than a true dual core, where if the first core is maxed, then it can take threads make a difference. I'm sure every custom kernel will make use of it in more of a multithreaded manner, and then you might see some big improvements in both benchmarks and real world use.
Also, I'm eagerly awaiting SBC. On the 4VO with netarchy's SBC kernel, I could get 36 hours out of a charge if I wanted to. On this 4VO, I'm lucky if I get 6 with the same usage pattern.
I'd say the sweet spot for 4VO development came 7 or 8 months after release. It will take some time for the 3VO to get to that level, but it will.
On a side note, now that root is out of the bag, I'd like to personally extend my middle finger in HTC's direction. Shame on you for making it this difficult and opaque. Shame on you for having two faces.
Y does it matter if ur phone is faster than another there is always gonna be a faster phone an Samsung does a great job with the software on there phones it has Hardware acceleration in browser so browser wise it won't be faster an Samsung is just better honestly hardware wise :-/ but yea 3VO is still fast period
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Y does it matter if ur phone is faster than another there is always gonna be a faster phone an Samsung does a great job with the software on there phones it has Hardware acceleration in browser so browser wise it won't be faster an Samsung is just better honestly hardware wise :-/ but yea 3VO is still fast period
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Until you need to get directions somewhere!! I'm eagerly awaiting custom kernels and roms!!!
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I can't imagine what you consider fast. In my experience Samsung's phones always fall behind HTC in user experience speed, but do well with 3d acceleration
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The SGSII is only brought into the equation because of the XDA forums. The phone is faster, yes. But, I am not going to get a Samsung phone. I only bring it up because it seems to be the "new benchmark" of phone performance.
My daughter has the Samsung Epic 4G. It has lag in some areas that my EVO4G never had. Although, it can do some serious graphics. So, I agree with you.
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You go from saying it wasnt as fast.. to saying it had a bunch of issues to saying it wasn't fast enough again.
Do you honestly think the SG2 is going to be even noticeably faster without first watching a video of the 2 phones side by side?
No. I guarantee you wouldn't. But since you see a video of the SG2 loading 100th of a second faster....than gee whiz is this thing an abacus or what!
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Ummm.. No. Reread the OP. I said that I've read that SenseUI was bogging down the phone and that I've read people saying that without it, the EVO3D will be just as fast. I then talk about my issues with the phone, and the options that I have. I then state that I care only to see an improvement in speed.
With my EVO4G, I ran CM7. I am looking at running it again and would like the best phone for CM7. I am not getting a SGSII, but I am looking at the Photon 4G.
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Thanks. I get a lot of lag during browsing and I mostly use Wifi. Some pages go fast, while others take forever. Although, most of my apps use the default browser, Miren and Dolphin are the two I select the most.
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Even removing a lot of sense stuff all the sense framework is still there. Sense won't fully be removed until there's a cm7/aosp build out, which will take a little while.
Not to mention someone is gonna have a LOT of work to get 3d to work with aosp source.I'm guessing a lot won't care about that(I don't), but some will. I'm gonna start messing around with some.aosp stuff this weekend.
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Awesome info! Thank you. I don't know much about SenseUI and how deeply it is integrated. I wouldn't mind poking around with some AOSP myself.
I tried getting CM7 downloaded once. I went to the page with the source code and got lost in all of the forks. There were so many different repositories, I didn't know which to look at.
If you can shoot me a PM with some of the locations your pulling, I would be more than happy to give you a hand. I work as a developer, but have been on the same code base for the last 4 years. I've been wanting to play with Android for a while. I work mostly with Java, but I also do a little C and C#.
charlie hustle said:
sense or not, rooted or not. This phone is still fast. Faster than my og evo i know that. If i want to appreciate my e3d and its speed, all i need to do is grab my niece phone (my old evo which i gave to her).
You can wait for a senseless rom, but dont forget that sense gives you a lot of convenient apps within. Any rom that i flash will be a sense rom on my e3d.
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I do like a lot of the new features, but the weather app FCs on me a lot. I have also had it maxing my CPU quite a bit. I put an app on my phone called Watchdog, and it is alerting me when it gets over 40% now, so I can kill it.
I find that the swipe sensitivity is too high for switching home screens. A quick flick and the screens start spinning. I also get graphical screw-ups on the icons and widgets. I have also had the phone hang up for 30 - 45 seconds (estimated) when leaving an application. I am guessing it has to do with SenseUI refreshing.
I loved SenseUI on my EVO4G. I am not sure I am loving it on the 3VO. I wanted to because there are so many different ways to tweak it now. Although, I did get bored of Sense after a while and liked having all the different download options after moving to CM7.
Maybe there will be an optimized SenseUI ROM that I will like.
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Wait until there are some custom kernels available for this phone.
I've been hearing that the second core acts more like a failover than a true dual core, where if the first core is maxed, then it can take threads make a difference. I'm sure every custom kernel will make use of it in more of a multithreaded manner, and then you might see some big improvements in both benchmarks and real world use.
Also, I'm eagerly awaiting SBC. On the 4VO with netarchy's SBC kernel, I could get 36 hours out of a charge if I wanted to. On this 4VO, I'm lucky if I get 6 with the same usage pattern.
I'd say the sweet spot for 4VO development came 7 or 8 months after release. It will take some time for the 3VO to get to that level, but it will.
On a side note, now that root is out of the bag, I'd like to personally extend my middle finger in HTC's direction. Shame on you for making it this difficult and opaque. Shame on you for having two faces.
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I wonder if that is why the battery life is so bad. I was only getting about 3 hours before. Now that I have Watchdog killing rogue apps. I can get about 5.
Jasonhunterx said:
Y does it matter if ur phone is faster than another there is always gonna be a faster phone an Samsung does a great job with the software on there phones it has Hardware acceleration in browser so browser wise it won't be faster an Samsung is just better honestly hardware wise :-/ but yea 3VO is still fast period
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It doesn't matter if it is faster. If you reread my OP, I never say I want it faster.
franky_402 said:
Until you need to get directions somewhere!! I'm eagerly awaiting custom kernels and roms!!!
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Ha! All kidding aside though. You did remind me of one of the features I liked about the EVO3D. It has both aGPS and GPS.
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To everyone:
I guess those of you who are HTC fans or Samsung haters want to read more into this than it really is.
It really is simply that I am having issues with my 3VO. I can either return it and get a different phone or get another 3VO. If I get another 3VO, I'm glued to it for the next 11 months. That is, of course, unless they change Premier again.
I am just hoping that the performance improves with the root. Many of you are happy with its performance. I'm not. Maybe the other issues are causing the performance issues. Maybe they aren't. But, if I switch it out for another 3VO, I am stuck with it.
So, I thought I would ask the question in a forum of users, hackers and developers.
One thing I will have to admit, the ROM developers are running at full speed!
Anyway, a quick update. I went to the store and all they would do is reset my phone. This is after I told them I already reset it twice. So, I have to wait a few days and go back. Still having all of my issues.
So I've come to a delimma.
Sooner or later, there will be an official port for CM9 or AOKP for the Evo LTE.
I had an OG evo for 2 years, and never really liked sense. Even when Sense 3.0 came out, I liked the ring lockscreen and the fact that you could drag a new message to the ring to open it etc... But I always found the sense 3.0 ports to the OG Evo to be half baked, or slow/laggy.
I stuck true to Evo Deck, and when he started developing the ICS deck, I kept up with it, as well as AOKP.
After using my Evo LTE for a week, I've grown to like sense 4. I really like the lockscreen features, specifically the dragging message feature. I find that sense 4.0, true to it's theory of development, is much less obtrusive than sense 3.0, but deep down I still have a yearning for pure google, the true ICS flavor (or at least AOKP, same flavor, but with sprinkles.)
I know that the lockscreen shortcuts can be emulated with a quad or octo lockscreen, but what about the sliding message feature?
What are your guys' thoughts on the matter?
Who's going to stick with HTC's sense when CM9 or AOKP (or even Kush's ROM if he's making it own, haven't kept up with it recently) come or, and who's going to jump ship to a non-sense rom and why?
I'm excited to hear what everyone else thinks!
Have you looked at go locker? Or widget locker? Those two have some nice features that emulate the sense lockscreen and are nice when you run aosp and aokp.
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Hmm, I don't generally like using third party lockscreens, in my experience they're pretty buggy and don't mesh well with the os, a lot of blinking out when you unlock lag, re-locks etc
get a nexus LOL .
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CM9 all the way as soon as it's released. I actually had a hard time deciding between this and the Galaxy Nexus but I couldn't pass up on the specs of this thing.
Cm9 allllll the way... As long as all the camera functions get ported over.
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so is ANYONE sticking with sense?
I also noticed that google wallet doesn't work with rooted phones....
I'll go back and forth between the two. I love sense4 but it's glitchy.
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so is ANYONE sticking with sense?
I also noticed that google wallet doesn't work with rooted phones....
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I tried setting up Google Wallet today just for the hell of it and it just wouldn't work. I think it's because I have 2-step verification enabled on my account. Doesn't matter, I never really planned on using it anyway except maybe to spend the $10 they give you for signing up. There are about 4 different mobile payment methods that are all supported by different companies (almost none of which support Google Wallet) I have a feeling it's not going to survive very long anyway. Even the GNex on Verizon doesn't have it installed because Verizon supports a different payment method.
As for Sense, it was useful on earlier versions of Android to make things a little prettier and more user friendly. Matias Duarte and his team have done a great job to address that and now I just feel it gets in the way. Think of what you have to go through just to change the wallpaper. On stock ICS you long press on the screen and choose change wallpaper. On this you pull down the notification tray>settings>personalize>wallpaper. It's just not intuitive and simple like it should be.
Another thing that bothers me is the recent apps. It seems like they changed some stuff just for the sake of changing it and have a worse implementation of it.
I personally have always preferred Sense or Sense based ROMs. Could never get into the vanilla experience on a phone it just looks so "8 bit" to me. I'll definitely be keeping Sense 4, love the look and functionality.
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I personally have always preferred Sense or Sense based ROMs. Could never get into the vanilla experience on a phone it just looks so "8 bit" to me. I'll definitely be keeping Sense 4, love the look and functionality.
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There in lies the beauty of Android, everyone can have exactly what they like. Take for instance the roms for the OG EVO by MagnusRagnarok, I always felt they were way over the top but there are a lot of people who liked them. I personally always defaulted to either CM7 or Fresh roms. I do feel that ICS is quite beautiful in it's elegance though, much more so than earlier versions of Android. It's not handicapped like iOS but still very intuitive.
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There in lies the beauty of Android, everyone can have exactly what they like. Take for instance the roms for the OG EVO by MagnusRagnarok, I always felt they were way over the top but there are a lot of people who liked them. I personally always defaulted to either CM7 or Fresh roms. I do feel that ICS is quite beautiful in it's elegance though, much more so than earlier versions of Android. It's not handicapped like iOS but still very intuitive.
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This is what matters is to keep what you said in mind. For example I like to try the newest thing but I got the EVO over the nexus for sense. That way I could play with the newest thing but always go back to sense.
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I've never flashed ROMs before and initially I loved Sense, however the issues with multitasking and Sense reboots is driving me insane!
Nova Launchers is helping, but I think I'll be trying a ROM, but only if it's fully functional.
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so is ANYONE sticking with sense?
I also noticed that google wallet doesn't work with rooted phones....
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I will stick with sense as I have not had the issues others have had. (Multitask, lag, etc..) Sense seems to run fine for me, hell it's a phone..
Also I have rooted my phone and google wallet works just fine. It did take me many attempts to get my 10$ credit but it seems to wkr fine. the issue I have is I never take my phone with me into stores, etc... so I haven't tested it yet...
I am going to get some (already ordered) some NFC tags so I can play with that seems kewl..
http://tagsfordroid.com/tags/Home.html
Also I really love the camera on this phone and all the functions. It's pretty awesome!
I will hang on to sense for a while until CM9 is fully vetted...and seems stable then I will probably try it...
So far so good... my friends are jealous!
For anyone who hasn't tried it yet the sense 4 car dock is arguably the best car dock I've used.
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I've always used Sense. I want to like stock and it is getting better but I still feel it is just a little behind UI wise.
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Thanks for the good discussion! I'm still on the OG EVO, running SOS ROM. Swagstr has done wonders to make Sense 1.0 run as it should but what I'm hearing regarding sense 4.0 just bugs me. Multitasking is something I use a lot of and sense restarts have always plagued me. I love the scenes in sense, use one for home and one for work and generally like the polish it brings. Hate the laggy aspects as well.
I love the new EVO hardware and while I was tempted to go with the GNex, it's just too dated now. If it wasn't for the multitasking screw up, I'd be picking one up today. In the meantime, I'm reading reviews and seeing what the Devs have in store.
A couple of questions:
What are the opinions on multitasking? I switch from Touchdown to Enhanced Email, to Voice, Pulse, Handcent almost constantly during the day. This sounds like a hair pulling situation in Sense 4.
Sense restarts? I know it's a sure thing to restart if too many browser tabs are open, but I also get it if I switch from Pulse to browser or another app a few too many times. Are people seeing frequent restarts?
Thanks again!
I haven't used sense in over a year. I use widget locker for the lockscreen, nova launcher for the launcher, beautiful widgets for the time/weather on the home screen. Even use a different dialer - dialer one, which allows way more customization than the stock.
IMO, sense does nothing more than dumb down the phone. If you want a dumb phone, go iphone
The pic below with the clock at the top is my home screen. Clock at the bottom is the lock screen. Everything right where I need it.
I've always liked sense best because I didn't really like the look of stock android, but now ICS went better on the UI side. I still think I like sense 4 better though.
I actually liked Sense as well. Even though I rooted my OG EVO to get superuser stuff and wi-fi tether, I stuck with sense.
Sense 4 looked very nice BUT it was reloading constantly. Every time i exited an app.
There are several root-required tweeks I have seen that are supposed to help this, but I'm not sure how much you can do as much memory as Sense is taking up.
For now problem solved with Nova Launcher, which I think I will keep even after I decide to Root & ROM - Very interested in what is going on with Viper's custom ROM myself.
Also, if you want to try a different phone dialer, check out aTakephone, just like my old Treo!
And I don't think it's related to the SoC. I think it might be more related to Sense, or HTC in general. The phone is fast, but there's some situations where it's very slow. Could be ICS too, I'm not sure. I notice that when switching between apps, or if I go a while without cleaning out open apps, I get a lot of lag. This is a concern because it never happened with my E4GT (I never bothered closing apps on that phone unless they were using GPS or something, and I HAD to).
Also (and here's one I'm sure everyone can try) when I'm looking at a photo in the gallery, and I click the "share" button, it takes 3-4 full seconds before the menu finally pops up. Is this normal? Again, never happened on my old phone. I might just be grasping for straws here, but it's the little things that bug me.
I'm running ViperROM 1.2.1 (I believe), and I've done the dual-core enhancement. I'm also running Nova PRIME.
Anyone else notice these kinds of annoying things?
I think it is sense/htc. Although the current cm9 is still what I'd consider in alpha stage, look at the rom zip, ~200MB vs close to 600MB for the other roms floating around. Add maybe 50-80MB to the cm9 for gapps, and you're still less than half of stock. All that bloatware has to run somehow. I think as time goes on, it'll be determined exactly what can safely be stripped away from sense to reduce bloat. Officially, the phone is hardly a week old, unofficial a bit over 2 weeks. Give it a month or two.
True. Good to know I'm not the only one
I'm actually pleasantly surprised at how popular this phone is with the dev community. I mean, root was available before it was in the hands of the masses, lol.
Can't wait for CM9! Ran CM7 on my OG EVo and LOVED IT! I just hope getting LTE to work on CM9 isn't as painful as getting Wimax to work on CM7
Given how much I used wimax with the old evo, if CM should comeout without functioning LTE, i'll still switch. By that time, LTE should be rolled out in chicago in masses, and hopefully 3g performance will be what it should be (1-1.5mbps down /1mbps up). For what I do, that's more than enough bw.
I already use different third party apps for practically every fundamental function of the phone. Converting from sense to something else will be real easy this time. With the old evo much time was spent trying different apps out to figure out what works best or gives a good user experience.
It would be nice if sense camera functionality was ported over in full. One thing htc did get right with the phone was the camera and the app.
Try a different launcher like Nova Launcher and see if it's still slow.... Maybe try a different rom.
I too have noticed slowdowns when using the phone after some time....
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Try a different launcher like Nova Launcher and see if it's still slow.... Maybe try a different rom.
I too have noticed slowdowns when using the phone after some time....
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It would be nice if sense camera functionality was ported over in full. One thing htc did get right with the phone was the camera and the app.
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Ehhh, it's hit or miss for me. I've taken some very nice shots, but honestly the majority of my low-light shots have looked like absolute crap. The app's native AUTO settings are pretty bad for low-light shooting. Even the presets aren't that good. I have to manually adjust the expose and contrast to get anything remotely good. Daylight shots, however, are absolutely brilliant.
I have the paid version of CameraZOOM FX, but I don't think it plays very well with this camera. The exposure and color levels look good in low-light shots, but the pictures come out very out-of-focus for me. Not sure what that's related to.
But yeah to the other member who mentioned it, I'm using Nova Prime and it made my experience a whole lot better over the Sense launcher. Still not where I want it to be, though
Either way, very happy with the device. Screen is beautiful and the device itself is sexy as hell.
Don't complain if you're using a rom. Roms are not perfect. Not the phone fault. This should be put in that rom's thread
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Don't complain if you're using a rom. Roms are not perfect. Not the phone fault. This should be put in that rom's thread
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No, it shouldn't.
PsiPhiDan said:
OP says he's using Nova Prime.
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Hmm that really sucks... I get lag too and it's kinda annoying.... Looks like we'll have to wait for the devs to fix this problem or an update from HTC.
Memory management is much too aggressive with HTC's factory settings. Apps get bumped out of memory too easily. I had the same issue. I suggest you try this -
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1681183
My device (I'm loathe to call it a phone, it's SO much MORE... ) runs much better with Mr. V's mod - and I still get great battery life.
EDIT: Don't forget to nandroid first!
HTH,
-Jerry
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Memory management is much too aggressive with HTC's factory settings. Apps get bumped out of memory too easily. I had the same issue.
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I have to say I don't think it's just the memory management problem. In fact, I wish there were less "management" and more "memory". In today's world of ICS, large screens, memory-hogging GPUs, and background apps, most Android phones don't have enough memory to run all the apps we would like to have. Especially for power users.
Since the OP was using ViperROM, he/she already has the memory optimizations you pointed suggested. As do I, although, I placed them there manually on Stock. Memory management will only get you so far. I still get quite a bit of performance hits when switching apps. Worse than that though, I get apps that have been killed in the BG and thus didn't fully save state so when I go back to them, I've lost the work I've done. Truly annoying.
HTC (and others) need to get a better imagination in terms of future-proofing (or even now-proofing) their products. I bought the LTEvo based on timing (contract renewal), reviews and loyalty for HTC (been on it since the G1). I can only assume that the reviewers didn't put on many apps when they reviewed the product.
Every time I've upgraded, I've been unhappy with the amount of space available - particularly RAM since the SDcard is upgrade-able. 1GB was "ok" in the GB- era. I'm looking forward to my next upgrade when HTC will (finally) get it right ... I hope.
@ailima -
You're right. I must have been running on fumes when I read the OP.
I tried ViperROM, but went back to stock. I noticed lag after awhile.
On my OG EVO, if I wasn't running CM7.x, I'd either have MikG or Tommy Tomatoes Classic. Both odexed ROMs. IIRC, Aamikam has said that odexed performs better, and I believe him. Also, my experience bears this out. Stock with the dual-core ultimate mod is running way better for me than stock without.