This is definitely the best android phone i have ever used and i have used plenty.
I have always felt the need for cyanogenmod on every phone i have owned.
The sense 3.0 gives me everything I could ask for.
The quick settings on the notification bar are awesome and I love the way they incorporated it.
Honestly the only reason I feel I would need root is for tethering.
Other than that there really isn't a thing I would want to change except maybe a little theming.
Overall I give this phone a perfect 10
I'd love to see the iphone 5 or any other android phone dare to step up.
Htc owns
Good job htc for listening to people. I have never liked sense until now and always chose pure android.
As far as the bootloader I am a little upset but I have faith in everyone at xda
And even htc possibly coming through with their promise.
All they need is a nexus one style unlockable bootloader.
That will cover their asses and please the dev community at the same time.
Nobody has anything to lose by doing this especially with such a solid device.
Anybody else agree or disagree?
I agree. I just want root for the ability to run apps that require root. This sense 3.0 is awesome. I ran the kingdom port on my OG EVO and it wasn't even close to being as smoothe.
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Custom kernals would be nice also lol
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Agreed. I'm greatly looking forward to rooting and custom roms, but this is the first phone in ~8 years that I'd still be happy with it I had to leave it 100% stock.
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Agreed. I'm greatly looking forward to rooting and custom roms, but this is the first phone in ~8 years that I'd still be happy with it I had to leave it 100% stock.
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Totally agree, not missing CM all that bad like I thought I would have. I wish htc would make the choice to have a % for the batt. Need some UOT kitchen love once we get root.
Yea i don't mind being stock right now either since root was to install sense 3.0 anyway. I know cm7 will be unbelievably fast though when it is on this thing lol.
I have to agree i really like 3.0 but i feel that we still need root because i like to remove system apps like friend stream and amazon ect . Also like over clocking the cpu and the wireless tether. I think xda really makes the phone with the great community.But over all the 3d is a really great phone 3.0 is great and super fast ! And battery life seems alot better on the 3d then it was on the evo 4g. Im loving this phone ! but without root and xda it might just have to go back to sprint !
Even though the phone runs great now, and sense 3.0 is good, imagine how a cleaned up version of sense 3.0 with no bloatware will run especially overclocked.
It's great how it is but I like custom roms and to try cool dev work. Let's not forget ice cream! We would be the first to have it!
they did a great job with this phone...Just wish we got a beefier speaker and it would be 100% perfection for me..As it stands now Im going to need a bluetooth in my truck...
This phone is definitely the cats tits....Love it
I payed $7 for titanium backup l, I'd like to still use it.
Also being able to removed Amazon mp3 and a few other bloat would be nice, also kernels. Im sure ill be itching to flash something soon.
sense 3.0 is win pure and simple i have not even looked at adw or launcher pro on my e3d
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sense 3.0 is win pure and simple i have not even looked at adw or launcher pro on my e3d
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Yeah, the wow-factor finally wore off this morning. It's still sense, it just spins a little more. The app drawer still chronically blows, it's still a resource hog, and the sexyness of the widgets wears off after a day or so...
I tried old reliable Launcher Pro.... it was as to be expected....screamin', but the app drawer stuttered every few rows while scrolling....which was enough to irritate me.
ADWex on the other hand....which while always excellent was never quite up to par with LP's silky smoothness now is a model of perfection that LP is going to have to chase down to get back on top....
I'll put it this way, cm7 w/ LP on my 4G runs as fast and smooth in some ways and faster and smoother in other ways as my 3D running Sense, and it takes a whole extra overclocked evo4g worth of hardware to do that.
I gotta admit, I was a 3D hater...but I do enjoy the 3D feature....I've been draining my battery over and over again taking and viewing 3D pix and vids....I gotta admit, it's a very very fun feature....though I totally do not see 3D in that spiderman game
The phone is great, but those HTC geeks forgot to put speaker holes on the back cover so sound can come through better.
So your not liking launcher pro,adw etc vs sense?
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I gotta admit, I was a 3D hater...but I do enjoy the 3D feature....I've been draining my battery over and over again taking and viewing 3D pix and vids....I gotta admit, it's a very very fun feature....though I totally do not see 3D in that spiderman game
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3D is definitely cooler than I expected. I see the depth in Spiderman just fine.. did you notice the in-game 3D adjustment? You can actually adjust the amount of depth.
Also, once I got all the settings right LPP runs excellent but sense is such a ram glutton regardless. I'm really just playing so far, not going to settle in too deep until we have root.
I don't know...I gave up sense long ago on my evo but sense 3 is damn sexy. I'm not tired of it yet. The widgets look great with that 3d effect and scrolling is smooth for me.
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I don't know...I gave up sense long ago on my evo but sense 3 is damn sexy. I'm not tired of it yet. The widgets look great with that 3d effect and scrolling is smooth for me.
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3D Widgets?? Watchoo talking bout, Willis?
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3D Widgets?? Watchoo talking bout, Willis?
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Turn the page slowly, and you'll see the Widgets pop out at ya. Its subtle, and probably wouldn't see it if you're scrolling pages quickly.
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Turn the page slowly, and you'll see the Widgets pop out at ya. Its subtle, and probably wouldn't see it if you're scrolling pages quickly.
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Ah, yeah it's about time they polished sense up a bit. It would be cool to see actual 3d transitions and other ui elements, the htc messaging and mail widgets would be cool.
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I read, thread after thread, where people said that SenseUI was a huge slowdown for the benchmarks (Quadrant, NeoMark, etc) and that once the 3VO was rooted, it would be as fast as the Galaxy SII.
Now the root process is out and there are scripts to remove Sense. So, did the phone speed up at all or is the dual core Snapdragon just slow?
I'm past my 30 days, but I have had numerous issues with my phone. I am either going to swap it, or ask to just return it. Since the phone has this many issues, they usually will not care that I am at 33 days.
Anyway, I love HTC phones because of the hacking community, I loved my EVO4G and I like to think that the 3VO will get better with custom ROMs and kernels. But, if removing SenseUI and having root hasn't really improved performance, I may just skip this version and wait for the next EVO.
I don't care if it is as fast as the SGSII. I just want to see a good improvement.
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Benchmarks can't measure user experience, they are simply a tool for bragging rights.
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After I disabled almost everything htc and sense related possible. I did see a significant increase in the browser performance. That's just something I noticed.
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Benchmarks can't measure user experience, they are simply a tool for bragging rights.
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I understand that. Yet, that is mostly when you are comparing two different phones. When using just a single phone, they can be a great tool for measuring performance changes.
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After I disabled almost everything htc and sense related possible. I did see a significant increase in the browser performance. That's just something I noticed.
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Great to hear. Is this just with the Android browser or also with, say, Dolphin?
I can't imagine what you consider fast. In my experience Samsung's phones always fall behind HTC in user experience speed, but do well with 3d acceleration
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I read, thread after thread, where people said that SenseUI was a huge slowdown for the benchmarks (Quadrant, NeoMark, etc) and that once the 3VO was rooted, it would be as fast as the Galaxy SII.
Now the root process is out and there are scripts to remove Sense. So, did the phone speed up at all or is the dual core Snapdragon just slow?
I'm past my 30 days, but I have had numerous issues with my phone. I am either going to swap it, or ask to just return it. Since the phone has this many issues, they usually will not care that I am at 33 days.
Anyway, I love HTC phones because of the hacking community, I loved my EVO4G and I like to think that the 3VO will get better with custom ROMs and kernels. But, if removing SenseUI and having root hasn't really improved performance, I may just skip this version and wait for the next EVO.
I don't care if it is as fast as the SGSII. I just want to see a good improvement.
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You go from saying it wasnt as fast.. to saying it had a bunch of issues to saying it wasn't fast enough again.
Do you honestly think the SG2 is going to be even noticeably faster without first watching a video of the 2 phones side by side?
No. I guarantee you wouldn't. But since you see a video of the SG2 loading 100th of a second faster....than gee whiz is this thing an abacus or what!
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Great to hear. Is this just with the Android browser or also with, say, Dolphin?
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I only use the stock browser, but after freezing all the bloat, pages load faster and the bookmarks pull up a lot quicker. Just everything seems snappier.
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tell that to my exwife
Even removing a lot of sense stuff all the sense framework is still there. Sense won't fully be removed until there's a cm7/aosp build out, which will take a little while.
Not to mention someone is gonna have a LOT of work to get 3d to work with aosp source.I'm guessing a lot won't care about that(I don't), but some will. I'm gonna start messing around with some.aosp stuff this weekend.
sense or not, rooted or not. This phone is still fast. Faster than my og evo i know that. If i want to appreciate my e3d and its speed, all i need to do is grab my niece phone (my old evo which i gave to her).
You can wait for a senseless rom, but dont forget that sense gives you a lot of convenient apps within. Any rom that i flash will be a sense rom on my e3d.
Wait until there are some custom kernels available for this phone.
I've been hearing that the second core acts more like a failover than a true dual core, where if the first core is maxed, then it can take threads make a difference. I'm sure every custom kernel will make use of it in more of a multithreaded manner, and then you might see some big improvements in both benchmarks and real world use.
Also, I'm eagerly awaiting SBC. On the 4VO with netarchy's SBC kernel, I could get 36 hours out of a charge if I wanted to. On this 4VO, I'm lucky if I get 6 with the same usage pattern.
I'd say the sweet spot for 4VO development came 7 or 8 months after release. It will take some time for the 3VO to get to that level, but it will.
On a side note, now that root is out of the bag, I'd like to personally extend my middle finger in HTC's direction. Shame on you for making it this difficult and opaque. Shame on you for having two faces.
Y does it matter if ur phone is faster than another there is always gonna be a faster phone an Samsung does a great job with the software on there phones it has Hardware acceleration in browser so browser wise it won't be faster an Samsung is just better honestly hardware wise :-/ but yea 3VO is still fast period
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Jasonhunterx said:
Y does it matter if ur phone is faster than another there is always gonna be a faster phone an Samsung does a great job with the software on there phones it has Hardware acceleration in browser so browser wise it won't be faster an Samsung is just better honestly hardware wise :-/ but yea 3VO is still fast period
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Until you need to get directions somewhere!! I'm eagerly awaiting custom kernels and roms!!!
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I can't imagine what you consider fast. In my experience Samsung's phones always fall behind HTC in user experience speed, but do well with 3d acceleration
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The SGSII is only brought into the equation because of the XDA forums. The phone is faster, yes. But, I am not going to get a Samsung phone. I only bring it up because it seems to be the "new benchmark" of phone performance.
My daughter has the Samsung Epic 4G. It has lag in some areas that my EVO4G never had. Although, it can do some serious graphics. So, I agree with you.
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You go from saying it wasnt as fast.. to saying it had a bunch of issues to saying it wasn't fast enough again.
Do you honestly think the SG2 is going to be even noticeably faster without first watching a video of the 2 phones side by side?
No. I guarantee you wouldn't. But since you see a video of the SG2 loading 100th of a second faster....than gee whiz is this thing an abacus or what!
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Ummm.. No. Reread the OP. I said that I've read that SenseUI was bogging down the phone and that I've read people saying that without it, the EVO3D will be just as fast. I then talk about my issues with the phone, and the options that I have. I then state that I care only to see an improvement in speed.
With my EVO4G, I ran CM7. I am looking at running it again and would like the best phone for CM7. I am not getting a SGSII, but I am looking at the Photon 4G.
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I only use the stock browser, but after freezing all the bloat, pages load faster and the bookmarks pull up a lot quicker. Just everything seems snappier.
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Thanks. I get a lot of lag during browsing and I mostly use Wifi. Some pages go fast, while others take forever. Although, most of my apps use the default browser, Miren and Dolphin are the two I select the most.
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Even removing a lot of sense stuff all the sense framework is still there. Sense won't fully be removed until there's a cm7/aosp build out, which will take a little while.
Not to mention someone is gonna have a LOT of work to get 3d to work with aosp source.I'm guessing a lot won't care about that(I don't), but some will. I'm gonna start messing around with some.aosp stuff this weekend.
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Awesome info! Thank you. I don't know much about SenseUI and how deeply it is integrated. I wouldn't mind poking around with some AOSP myself.
I tried getting CM7 downloaded once. I went to the page with the source code and got lost in all of the forks. There were so many different repositories, I didn't know which to look at.
If you can shoot me a PM with some of the locations your pulling, I would be more than happy to give you a hand. I work as a developer, but have been on the same code base for the last 4 years. I've been wanting to play with Android for a while. I work mostly with Java, but I also do a little C and C#.
charlie hustle said:
sense or not, rooted or not. This phone is still fast. Faster than my og evo i know that. If i want to appreciate my e3d and its speed, all i need to do is grab my niece phone (my old evo which i gave to her).
You can wait for a senseless rom, but dont forget that sense gives you a lot of convenient apps within. Any rom that i flash will be a sense rom on my e3d.
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I do like a lot of the new features, but the weather app FCs on me a lot. I have also had it maxing my CPU quite a bit. I put an app on my phone called Watchdog, and it is alerting me when it gets over 40% now, so I can kill it.
I find that the swipe sensitivity is too high for switching home screens. A quick flick and the screens start spinning. I also get graphical screw-ups on the icons and widgets. I have also had the phone hang up for 30 - 45 seconds (estimated) when leaving an application. I am guessing it has to do with SenseUI refreshing.
I loved SenseUI on my EVO4G. I am not sure I am loving it on the 3VO. I wanted to because there are so many different ways to tweak it now. Although, I did get bored of Sense after a while and liked having all the different download options after moving to CM7.
Maybe there will be an optimized SenseUI ROM that I will like.
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Wait until there are some custom kernels available for this phone.
I've been hearing that the second core acts more like a failover than a true dual core, where if the first core is maxed, then it can take threads make a difference. I'm sure every custom kernel will make use of it in more of a multithreaded manner, and then you might see some big improvements in both benchmarks and real world use.
Also, I'm eagerly awaiting SBC. On the 4VO with netarchy's SBC kernel, I could get 36 hours out of a charge if I wanted to. On this 4VO, I'm lucky if I get 6 with the same usage pattern.
I'd say the sweet spot for 4VO development came 7 or 8 months after release. It will take some time for the 3VO to get to that level, but it will.
On a side note, now that root is out of the bag, I'd like to personally extend my middle finger in HTC's direction. Shame on you for making it this difficult and opaque. Shame on you for having two faces.
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I wonder if that is why the battery life is so bad. I was only getting about 3 hours before. Now that I have Watchdog killing rogue apps. I can get about 5.
Jasonhunterx said:
Y does it matter if ur phone is faster than another there is always gonna be a faster phone an Samsung does a great job with the software on there phones it has Hardware acceleration in browser so browser wise it won't be faster an Samsung is just better honestly hardware wise :-/ but yea 3VO is still fast period
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It doesn't matter if it is faster. If you reread my OP, I never say I want it faster.
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Until you need to get directions somewhere!! I'm eagerly awaiting custom kernels and roms!!!
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Ha! All kidding aside though. You did remind me of one of the features I liked about the EVO3D. It has both aGPS and GPS.
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To everyone:
I guess those of you who are HTC fans or Samsung haters want to read more into this than it really is.
It really is simply that I am having issues with my 3VO. I can either return it and get a different phone or get another 3VO. If I get another 3VO, I'm glued to it for the next 11 months. That is, of course, unless they change Premier again.
I am just hoping that the performance improves with the root. Many of you are happy with its performance. I'm not. Maybe the other issues are causing the performance issues. Maybe they aren't. But, if I switch it out for another 3VO, I am stuck with it.
So, I thought I would ask the question in a forum of users, hackers and developers.
One thing I will have to admit, the ROM developers are running at full speed!
Anyway, a quick update. I went to the store and all they would do is reset my phone. This is after I told them I already reset it twice. So, I have to wait a few days and go back. Still having all of my issues.
noob question...
Will someone develop a Sense-like ROM, once development gets underway for the Photon? I really liked Sense, but did not like the 3vo's sound/speaker quality. I would love a sense ROM on the Photon.
Is it possible to strip the sense interface from 3vo and stick it on the Photon? Will this only be possible if bootloader is cracked or would it be possible with root only?
Sorry if the question is redundant or too simplistic for this forum.
Thanks.
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noob question...
Will someone develop a Sense-like ROM, once development gets underway for the Photon? I really liked Sense, but did not like the 3vo's sound/speaker quality. I would love a sense ROM on the Photon.
Is it possible to strip the sense interface from 3vo and stick it on the Photon? Will this only be possible if bootloader is cracked or would it be possible with root only?
Sorry if the question is redundant or too simplistic for this forum.
Thanks.
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it can be done but why? it's like a beautiful woman with a snaggletooth she's perfect till she smiles and ruins everything...
I honestly don't understand why everyone raves about sense. Yeah, its pretty, but never really added any functionality for me. I had an evo, and had a Evo Shift and the first chance I had to dump sense, I did.
I loved touchwiz on my epic, because it was basically just stock, tweaked a little.
To me HTC Sense is bloated and unnecessary. When you can't do certain things in sense that you can in stock android, it seems pointless.
Also, I don't know why everyone hates on blur. I know the old blur sucked, but whatever Ninja or Ghost blur the photon is running I absolutely LOVE.
@randomrobbi - "When you can't do certain things in sense that you can in stock android, it seems pointless"...maybe I missed something...what can't you do with sense that you can with stock?
The thing I miss most about sense is the widgets, especially the email one. It would show unread push email from several accounts including an exchange account and gmail. I liked that it would show the unread count immediately like photon does for voicemail.
I also liked the unlock screen where you could drag the slider circle to one of 4 apps that you want to use immediately.
And, yes, it was pretty. Couldn't a sense ROM have the bloatware stripped from it so that wouldn't be an issue?
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@randomrobbi - "When you can't do certain things in sense that you can in stock android, it seems pointless"...maybe I missed something...what can't you do with sense that you can with stock?
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I guess I misspoke about that. It's just harder to carry out some actions in sense, as compared to stock android. Like hitting dialer, and being able to easily access your starred contacts. I just felt like Sense added alot of extra steps to simple actions. I guess i'm just biased, but the first android I owned was an HTC Hero, which I never rooted or put a rom on. I didnt keep it long and went back to my blackberry. I've just always been more a fan of AOSP Android.
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I also liked the unlock screen where you could drag the slider circle to one of 4 apps that you want to use immediately.
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kimmie...try out THIS lockscreen. Same as the Sense one Agile Lock Screen
Also...I miss the Sense 3.0 Notification bar. Effin amazing. Has tons of toggles, quick access to apps, etc. Was so convenient & slick.
I'm sure I'm also in the minority but I happen to really like Sense, both visually and from an ease of use standpoint when setting up new devices. That said, I often turn a lot of those things off, or flip back and forth between various launchers but I still miss it sometimes. DEFINITELY agree about the Notifications, those are just the way I'd like them to be.
I'd love to see an installable Sense but it seems pretty deeply entangled in the rest of the system, just like Blur, so I dont know how well it'd work as a standalone.
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I'm sure I'm also in the minority but I happen to really like Sense, both visually and from an ease of use standpoint when setting up new devices. That said, I often turn a lot of those things off, or flip back and forth between various launchers but I still miss it sometimes. DEFINITELY agree about the Notifications, those are just the way I'd like them to be.
I'd love to see an installable Sense but it seems pretty deeply entangled in the rest of the system, just like Blur, so I dont know how well it'd work as a standalone.
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Im coming out of the closet too. I love the build and accessories of the Photon but im so damn used to Sense. Its like driving home from work, sure there are many ways but after awhile you find and get used to the fastest and easiest way home. Vogue, TP, TP2, Evo 4G and Evo 3D...currently Photon. Some days I forget how to get home.
Oh how about a touchwiz 4.0 like rom I really do miss my quick panel in the notification bar it was really handy :/
With the HTC Sense api recently available, i am sure that someone will start creating widgets and icons etc for other non-sense devices.
hmmm that didn't sound right, oh well, hope you guys know what I mean. lol
TS out
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Im coming out of the closet too. I love the build and accessories of the Photon but im so damn used to Sense. Its like driving home from work, sure there are many ways but after awhile you find and get used to the fastest and easiest way home. Vogue, TP, TP2, Evo 4G and Evo 3D...currently Photon. Some days I forget how to get home.
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Ifeel the same, I love the Motorola Photon... better speaker, better signal strength, call quality is better also... It just seems to be a little stronger over all.... But I miss the Sense 3.0. Sense is fluid with no lag.
The Motorola Blur has a slight delay when switching back and forth between home screens. I used to miss the graphical HTC widgets, but i have beautiful widgets for that so i am not realy missing anything. I just miss the speed and fluidness of Sense technology.
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Ifeel the same, I love the Motorola Photon... better speaker, better signal strength, call quality is better also... It just seems to be a little stronger over all.... But I miss the Sense 3.0. Sense is fluid with no lag.
The Motorola Blur has a slight delay when switching back and forth between home screens. I used to miss the graphical HTC widgets, but i have beautiful widgets for that so i am not realy missing anything. I just miss the speed and fluidness of Sense technology.
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The Delay can be removed with the super charger script, my buddy's Photon is now just about as smooth/quick as my Syngery Evo
The delay can be removed by adding launcher pro, turning off screen animations and putting all speed at 10... fastest phone out there then, faster and smoother than evo 3d.. i know because ive owned both lol
Edit: i know a lot of people prefer adw or GO but i dig LauncherPro.. also dont care about the updates as much because cool thing about blur is that you can use the widgets still once the overlay is installed, unlike sense.
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brandonkahn said:
The delay can be removed by adding launcher pro, turning off screen animations and putting all speed at 10... fastest phone out there then, faster and smoother than evo 3d.. i know because ive owned both lol
Edit: i know a lot of people prefer adw or GO but i dig LauncherPro.. also dont care about the updates as much because cool thing about blur is that you can use the widgets still once the overlay is installed, unlike sense.
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What the hell are you doing back here? According to your thread in the 3d forums, this phone is a piece of ****. However your info about launcher pro and the settings is correct.
I don't understand the hate for the M.A.P. launcher I actually dig it
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Try Launcher Pro as the launcher, register it for the senselike social widget, and get Weather & Toggle Widgets and tbe weather widget forecast addon for your flip clock. This makes for a NICE senselike alternative.
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Oh how about a touchwiz 4.0 like rom I really do miss my quick panel in the notification bar it was really handy :/
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I think any phone with ClockworkMod Recovery can flash TW 4.0. It said that on the homepage awhile ago. Go to the Galaxy S i9000 forums in the Themes and Apps section and one of them is flashable I think and works on any device.
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I think any phone with ClockworkMod Recovery can flash TW 4.0. It said that on the homepage awhile ago. Go to the Galaxy S i9000 forums in the Themes and Apps section and one of them is flashable I think and works on any device.
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Dude remember how unstable it was on our EPICS? I wonder if it has gotten any better though
randomrobbi said:
I honestly don't understand why everyone raves about sense. Yeah, its pretty, but never really added any functionality for me. I had an evo, and had a Evo Shift and the first chance I had to dump sense, I did.
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I used to be a sense guy too.. I mean.. compared to stock android... it blows it out of the water... After getting the Evo I got my wife a Samsung Moment... I upgraded it to 2.2 but I never saw stock android before... I thought it was still 1.5 or something because I couldn't believe stock android looked that bad...
Stock android is ugly as sin.. and the widgets are less than ****.
But then I found Launcher Pro and its "almost-like-sense" widgets for calendar and facebook and I've never looked back. I loved Evo Deck on my Evo and Evo Shift Deck on my wifes phone because it is CM7 with ADW Craplauncher removed and LP added... a much better choice I must say.
LP's widgets are the only thing close to Sense's widgets so until another launcher starts pushing good widgets... I'll never leave.
So to answer the OP... Launcher Pro is the only Sense-like option you have... combined with Fancy Widgets for the flip clock (its the only one that does auto-update of weather based on GPS.)
So I've come to a delimma.
Sooner or later, there will be an official port for CM9 or AOKP for the Evo LTE.
I had an OG evo for 2 years, and never really liked sense. Even when Sense 3.0 came out, I liked the ring lockscreen and the fact that you could drag a new message to the ring to open it etc... But I always found the sense 3.0 ports to the OG Evo to be half baked, or slow/laggy.
I stuck true to Evo Deck, and when he started developing the ICS deck, I kept up with it, as well as AOKP.
After using my Evo LTE for a week, I've grown to like sense 4. I really like the lockscreen features, specifically the dragging message feature. I find that sense 4.0, true to it's theory of development, is much less obtrusive than sense 3.0, but deep down I still have a yearning for pure google, the true ICS flavor (or at least AOKP, same flavor, but with sprinkles.)
I know that the lockscreen shortcuts can be emulated with a quad or octo lockscreen, but what about the sliding message feature?
What are your guys' thoughts on the matter?
Who's going to stick with HTC's sense when CM9 or AOKP (or even Kush's ROM if he's making it own, haven't kept up with it recently) come or, and who's going to jump ship to a non-sense rom and why?
I'm excited to hear what everyone else thinks!
Have you looked at go locker? Or widget locker? Those two have some nice features that emulate the sense lockscreen and are nice when you run aosp and aokp.
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Hmm, I don't generally like using third party lockscreens, in my experience they're pretty buggy and don't mesh well with the os, a lot of blinking out when you unlock lag, re-locks etc
get a nexus LOL .
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CM9 all the way as soon as it's released. I actually had a hard time deciding between this and the Galaxy Nexus but I couldn't pass up on the specs of this thing.
Cm9 allllll the way... As long as all the camera functions get ported over.
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so is ANYONE sticking with sense?
I also noticed that google wallet doesn't work with rooted phones....
I'll go back and forth between the two. I love sense4 but it's glitchy.
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so is ANYONE sticking with sense?
I also noticed that google wallet doesn't work with rooted phones....
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I tried setting up Google Wallet today just for the hell of it and it just wouldn't work. I think it's because I have 2-step verification enabled on my account. Doesn't matter, I never really planned on using it anyway except maybe to spend the $10 they give you for signing up. There are about 4 different mobile payment methods that are all supported by different companies (almost none of which support Google Wallet) I have a feeling it's not going to survive very long anyway. Even the GNex on Verizon doesn't have it installed because Verizon supports a different payment method.
As for Sense, it was useful on earlier versions of Android to make things a little prettier and more user friendly. Matias Duarte and his team have done a great job to address that and now I just feel it gets in the way. Think of what you have to go through just to change the wallpaper. On stock ICS you long press on the screen and choose change wallpaper. On this you pull down the notification tray>settings>personalize>wallpaper. It's just not intuitive and simple like it should be.
Another thing that bothers me is the recent apps. It seems like they changed some stuff just for the sake of changing it and have a worse implementation of it.
I personally have always preferred Sense or Sense based ROMs. Could never get into the vanilla experience on a phone it just looks so "8 bit" to me. I'll definitely be keeping Sense 4, love the look and functionality.
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I personally have always preferred Sense or Sense based ROMs. Could never get into the vanilla experience on a phone it just looks so "8 bit" to me. I'll definitely be keeping Sense 4, love the look and functionality.
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There in lies the beauty of Android, everyone can have exactly what they like. Take for instance the roms for the OG EVO by MagnusRagnarok, I always felt they were way over the top but there are a lot of people who liked them. I personally always defaulted to either CM7 or Fresh roms. I do feel that ICS is quite beautiful in it's elegance though, much more so than earlier versions of Android. It's not handicapped like iOS but still very intuitive.
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There in lies the beauty of Android, everyone can have exactly what they like. Take for instance the roms for the OG EVO by MagnusRagnarok, I always felt they were way over the top but there are a lot of people who liked them. I personally always defaulted to either CM7 or Fresh roms. I do feel that ICS is quite beautiful in it's elegance though, much more so than earlier versions of Android. It's not handicapped like iOS but still very intuitive.
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This is what matters is to keep what you said in mind. For example I like to try the newest thing but I got the EVO over the nexus for sense. That way I could play with the newest thing but always go back to sense.
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I've never flashed ROMs before and initially I loved Sense, however the issues with multitasking and Sense reboots is driving me insane!
Nova Launchers is helping, but I think I'll be trying a ROM, but only if it's fully functional.
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so is ANYONE sticking with sense?
I also noticed that google wallet doesn't work with rooted phones....
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I will stick with sense as I have not had the issues others have had. (Multitask, lag, etc..) Sense seems to run fine for me, hell it's a phone..
Also I have rooted my phone and google wallet works just fine. It did take me many attempts to get my 10$ credit but it seems to wkr fine. the issue I have is I never take my phone with me into stores, etc... so I haven't tested it yet...
I am going to get some (already ordered) some NFC tags so I can play with that seems kewl..
http://tagsfordroid.com/tags/Home.html
Also I really love the camera on this phone and all the functions. It's pretty awesome!
I will hang on to sense for a while until CM9 is fully vetted...and seems stable then I will probably try it...
So far so good... my friends are jealous!
For anyone who hasn't tried it yet the sense 4 car dock is arguably the best car dock I've used.
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I've always used Sense. I want to like stock and it is getting better but I still feel it is just a little behind UI wise.
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Thanks for the good discussion! I'm still on the OG EVO, running SOS ROM. Swagstr has done wonders to make Sense 1.0 run as it should but what I'm hearing regarding sense 4.0 just bugs me. Multitasking is something I use a lot of and sense restarts have always plagued me. I love the scenes in sense, use one for home and one for work and generally like the polish it brings. Hate the laggy aspects as well.
I love the new EVO hardware and while I was tempted to go with the GNex, it's just too dated now. If it wasn't for the multitasking screw up, I'd be picking one up today. In the meantime, I'm reading reviews and seeing what the Devs have in store.
A couple of questions:
What are the opinions on multitasking? I switch from Touchdown to Enhanced Email, to Voice, Pulse, Handcent almost constantly during the day. This sounds like a hair pulling situation in Sense 4.
Sense restarts? I know it's a sure thing to restart if too many browser tabs are open, but I also get it if I switch from Pulse to browser or another app a few too many times. Are people seeing frequent restarts?
Thanks again!
I haven't used sense in over a year. I use widget locker for the lockscreen, nova launcher for the launcher, beautiful widgets for the time/weather on the home screen. Even use a different dialer - dialer one, which allows way more customization than the stock.
IMO, sense does nothing more than dumb down the phone. If you want a dumb phone, go iphone
The pic below with the clock at the top is my home screen. Clock at the bottom is the lock screen. Everything right where I need it.
I've always liked sense best because I didn't really like the look of stock android, but now ICS went better on the UI side. I still think I like sense 4 better though.
I actually liked Sense as well. Even though I rooted my OG EVO to get superuser stuff and wi-fi tether, I stuck with sense.
Sense 4 looked very nice BUT it was reloading constantly. Every time i exited an app.
There are several root-required tweeks I have seen that are supposed to help this, but I'm not sure how much you can do as much memory as Sense is taking up.
For now problem solved with Nova Launcher, which I think I will keep even after I decide to Root & ROM - Very interested in what is going on with Viper's custom ROM myself.
Also, if you want to try a different phone dialer, check out aTakephone, just like my old Treo!
I've noticed a few petty complaints about the phone, and they are all pointing fingers in the wrong direction. The phone itself is great. It's the software.
The software is crashing my phone more than my og Evo. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. This phone has double the ram of the OG EVO so, it's definitely not the hardware.
Also, Sense has to be the culprit for killing multitasking. There's some ROMS out there that can be flashed on the Evo LTE, that eliminate this problem. Another Sense disappointment.
And last but not least. The look and feel of sense is beginning to look and feel very dated. This is why people are going crazy over dev support, right now.
I'm not a HTC Sense hater, but they definitely need to change it up asap. If I were them I would just put out a, high end pure Google Android device and start from scratch.
Maybe, put a scrolling setting tool bar, that scroll left to right on top of the screen, instead of a drag down bar. Change the flip clock its old and boring now. I had that on my HTC Mogul! It's time to change the game up. And I think it's about that time
Certainly wish it was a bit more polished. Wasn't there something floating around awhile back that they only had 4 months to make sense 4 with ICS?
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i have to agree. sense is not bad, just not as smooth and fast as vanilla android. infact its quite slow so such amazing hardware. i check the forum a few times a day for a working version of cm9 or 10 only to be disapointed everytime.
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Certainly wish it was a bit more polished. Wasn't there something floating around awhile back that they only had 4 months to make sense 4 with ICS?
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That may be true. I think I can recall seeing a article about that.
I'm running sense 4 on my 3d, and I have to say that sense 4 is amazing. If you want a change then go with a different phone. I'm not saying that sense doesn't have minor bugs, because it does. But if you're looking for a different look and feel then change it up a bit.
But I like my Sense 4.
I love Sense, although I'm hoping Jelly Bean will make performance and stability improvements, of course. It does crash and restart for me, but rarely. It might be the ROM and apps you've loaded that are causing these issues, along with flashed mods, and so forth. Every time these things are done, increases the chances of destabilizing the platform. This is a part of the game that should be embraced.
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I'm running sense 4 on my 3d, and I have to say that sense 4 is amazing. If you want a change then go with a different phone. I'm not saying that sense doesn't have minor bugs, because it does. But if you're looking for a different look and feel then change it up a bit.
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That's definitely not out the question. Once you've been loyal to a company since the HTC Mogul, then you may find it just a little bit harder to leave from a hardware standpoint. Like I said Sense isn't bad. It's just buggy and dated.
If Sense is the same during my next upgrade, I'm definitely jumping to another phone. Sad to say.
And yes thanks to this XDA I can change it up a bit. This site has a hand in what a lot of the consumers buy, believe it or not, just because of the hard work of these Devs do to bring longevity to our phones. They spoiled us.
My reasoning now is for the users who don't root. It's a struggle right now.
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I love Sense, although I'm hoping Jelly Bean will make performance and stability improvements, of course. It does crash and restart for me, but rarely. It might be the ROM and apps you've loaded that are causing these issues, along with flashed mods, and so forth. Every time these things are done, increases the chances of destabilizing the platform. This is a part of the game that should be embraced.
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Yeah, hopefully jelly bean iron some things out.
As far as the crashes, im pretty positive its sense. I have no widgets beside the sense clock and power setting widget. Everything else is minor apps that control some of nothing. My only questionable app is Facebook. That app is so horrible. It does too much and hogs data like crazy. I'm always, clearing my cache on that app. And I won't decide to root, until maybe October.
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That's definitely not out the question. Once you've been loyal to a company since the HTC Mogul, then you may find it just a little bit harder to leave from a hardware standpoint. Like I said Sense isn't bad. It's just buggy and dated.
If Sense is the same during my next upgrade, I'm definitely jumping to another phone. Sad to say.
And yes thanks to this XDA I can change it up a bit. This site has a hand in what a lot of the consumers buy, believe it or not, just because of the hard work of these Devs do to bring longevity to our phones. They spoiled us.
My reasoning now is for the users who don't root. It's a struggle right now.
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I happen to love Sense and I am not rooted and never plan to. I like the iconic flip clock and believe it sets HTC apart from all the other androids out there. I do get bored with the "look" of my screens from time to time and change things up with Beautiful Widgets, themes, keyboards and the like. I wish the continuous scroll of the home screens remained (not the carousel) however. At least with Android these phones can be totally customized, which is why I could never be an iPhone user.
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I'd have to agree. I got the OG EVO on release day and absolutely loved it. Then came Gingerbread and all the sense reboots. I was hoping with this phone the sense reboots would go away, unfortunately I was wrong. It amazes me with the amount of RAM this phone has, that with very little apps installed, I only have about 200 MBs free. I ended up rooting and flashing CleanROM DE and love this EVO all over again. I just wish I wouldn't have had to root to avoid the HTC Sense reboots. I did try APEX Launcher for a bit, but noticed it would restart as well, though not quite as bad.
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I'd have to agree. I got the OG EVO on release day and absolutely loved it. Then came Gingerbread and all the sense reboots. I was hoping with this phone the sense reboots would go away, unfortunately I was wrong. It amazes me with the amount of RAM this phone has, that with very little apps installed, I only have about 200 MBs free. I ended up rooting and flashing CleanROM DE and love this EVO all over again. I just wish I wouldn't have had to root to avoid the HTC Sense reboots. I did try APEX Launcher for a bit, but noticed it would restart as well, though not quite as bad.
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I wish I wasn't scared to root as of now. I know there would probably be at least two more updates from HTC are gonna come and I'll wait until then. I was gonna try Apex but thanks for the heads up. I don't use widgets and my apps are all basic, that's why the reboots are kinda bothering me.
The best phone I've ever had or used nonetheless.
I have yet to run into any problems with Sense at all. It's elegant, slimmer than before, and adds features that people from the Windows Mobile days would consider to be basic. (Hello? It's 2012, Google. Where the hell is my T9 dialing?)
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I have yet to run into any problems with Sense at all. It's elegant, slimmer than before, and adds features that people from the Windows Mobile days would consider to be basic. (Hello? It's 2012, Google. Where the hell is my T9 dialing?)
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This. I haven't had any lockups or freezes yet, and Sense runs better than I've ever seen it run on a phone before. Everything is smooth and aesthetically pleasing.
Are you guys with no problems, rooted?
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Are you guys with no problems, rooted?
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I was stock the entire time I had my first Evo LTE. That was for about a month and a half and I didn't have any problems. Got my new Evo yesterday (I had a radio issue that required a replacement) and rooted it because I had to start from scratch anyway. No issues rooted either.
Actually HTC Sense this year looks nice IMO. I really like the way the dock looks. One thing i dont like is the locksceen, as i fee the stock one looks best. There are some thing i wish google would incorporate into the next OS. The way HTC handles adding things to your home screens is MUCH faster than stock aosp. In stock, you have to do it one by one, or at least slowly. On sense, you do it much faster and can even add multiple widgets. Also, if u run out of space sense automatically makes a new homescreen for you. I also like the quicksettings menu (even though HTC took it off i think).
I haven't had one problem since I got the phone on launch day. With sense or anything else.
Love this device!
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I like Sense 4.0 a lot; I believe it's the best UI skin out there as far as what comes from the manufacturers. I like the widgets and the unified look and functionality of everything. It's all very polished and professional.
The only problem I have with Sense is in the way it handles multitasking. I would love to be able to pause a game to answer a text or email, and come back to where I was without the game fully reloading. Or keep 2 or 3 browser tabs open without everything reloading when I come back to it from something else. Running Nova and using less widgets helps somewhat, but you lose all the "good stuff" about Sense when you go that route. So I'm patiently waiting for a good ROM that fully addresses the memory management issues while letting Sense run to it's full potential.
I have absolutely no problems with my EVO 4G LTE. If you think Sense is the same thing it's always been, try going back and using a Sense 3 phone, like the EVO 3D. Then you'll see a difference. It's just the luster of a new product has worn off for most people. Really, most of the complaints are over petty stuff. In the end, it's a phone. It plays games well, but if you want something to do more, buy a PS3/XBOX. It plays great quality movies, but if you want something to do more, buy an HDTV. Web browsing is great on this device, but if it's still not your style, buy a laptop. Sure there's a convenience of having it all there, but really, it's time to stop being petty about the small things.
I can't get lte on cm10 so back to sense which one ??
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Try them and pick the one you like the most
stock with goodies. by far
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1701117
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Try them all and pick which works best for your. For aesthetics try tranquility by team bad Seed. Make sure you got the latest firmware
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if u want a solid hella fast rom with great battery life check out mean rom!!! butter baby!!!!:good:
viper4g room is very nice...you can customize almost everything very easily and very good battery life...
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mean vs viper what the differences and which one is beeter and more stable as daily driver ?
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mean vs viper what the differences and which one is beeter and more stable as daily driver ?
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Better is subjective, but here's my $0.02
I've been running viper since day one, and it's crazy easy to customize, which is its main claim to fame. But I've also never had any issues with bugs, reboots, or apps crashing. Literally never, not even once. It's the definition of a daily driver - everything works, it's fast, and I get great battery. It's a "set it and forget it" type of rom.
Mean seems more into the the constant tweaking and updating, and is more interested in adding the "latest and greatest" mods for the phone. It's a rom that you want to stay on top of.
From what I've seen, both roms get great support in their threads from the devs and users, but the viper crew has a reputation for being smartasses and having fun while doling out the support, so if you're the kind of guy who likes your support thread to be all business, that might come into play.
I can vouch for mean, viper and tranquility. They are all daily drivers it just depends on what suits you best. I was happy with all of them I just like trying new stuff all the time. Mean is pretty much stock with tweaks. Viper is very custumizable and tranquility is very heavily themed.
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Tried'em all. MeanRom for me by a longshot.
Mikey is constantly tweaking it, but your always in disbelief that it can get any better, and yet it does.
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+1 to mean rom, great battery, my phone has never had a reboot of any kind or even a fc(rom related anyway) He puts out outdates all the time, has an ota updater which is pretty awesome. Also pretty customizable.
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I can't get lte on cm10 so back to sense which one ??
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So, which one did you go with and how are you liking it?
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I've been on MeanROM since day one and now looking for other options. Linkifier no longer works, the smallest fonts are still entirely too large, the stock E-mail client is gimped and 5x4 Rosie still overlaps. I realize the latest HTC base broke most of that stuff while completely ignoring the flawed mail app, but that's not progress.
Now I'm wondering if there's another Sense ROM I should try or go straight to AOSP. If I do, I'll lose HTC's camera tweaks and the ability to update the PRL.
Viper4G gets my vote. Was my first Sense ROM to try and after trying all the others it suited me best. My favorite Sense ROM no doubt but like others have said its really down to personal preference.
V4G was, and still is a hella nice daily driver. I even trusted it enough to guide me through my vacation instead of my old lady's GPS and everything else. Awesome ROM.
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Meanrom
I just flashed it but it has a ota update feature where u can download the newest release right through the ROM itself.
Check it out.
My battery drain is minimal and its very smooth.
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No flex is the best. It comes with mad blunts and b1tches. His home number even comes in so your girlfriend can call him with any questions. Mad phat son
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No flex is the best. It comes with mad blunts and b1tches. His home number even comes in so your girlfriend can call him with any questions. Mad phat son
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Flex`s stock w/ goodies is smooth
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I've been on MeanROM since day one and now looking for other options. Linkifier no longer works, the smallest fonts are still entirely too large, the stock E-mail client is gimped and 5x4 Rosie still overlaps. I realize the latest HTC base broke most of that stuff while completely ignoring the flawed mail app, but that's not progress.
Now I'm wondering if there's another Sense ROM I should try or go straight to AOSP. If I do, I'll lose HTC's camera tweaks and the ability to update the PRL.
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linkify works fine for me on meanrom 4.3...also that is why mike switched it the 4x4 rosie b.c 5x4 doesnt work yet (and he stated this)
he also didnt mess with the stock font so it may be the same on every sense rom for you. what are you trying to do in the stock e-mail app? i use it and thats all i use and i can do everything i need to...
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linkify works fine for me on meanrom 4.3...also that is why mike switched it the 4x4 rosie b.c 5x4 doesnt work yet (and he stated this)
he also didnt mess with the stock font so it may be the same on every sense rom for you. what are you trying to do in the stock e-mail app? i use it and thats all i use and i can do everything i need to...
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1.) Linkify doesn't work in HTCMail. Hyperlinks are now dead in mail from 2.13.651.1 RUU and there is no easy fix. I believe this affects all up-to-date Sense ROMs
2.) Mike left the mail app alone and that's my beef with it-- it blows. The smallest font size is still entirely too large, which brings me to my next point..
3.) With a 720x1280 native resolution from an otherwise gorgeous 4.7" LCD, NO user deserves to be stuck with a 4x4 Rosie. Give me a ****ing break on the Playskool fonts, and I'm not 60 years old. I don't appreciate others reading my E-mail over my shoulder on an airplane, just because HTC gimped their software.
With Linkify crippled and the too-large font size still unresolved, I can't recommend a Sense ROM at this point. For me, MeanROM is there just to activate and update the PRL before flashing over to CM10.
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1.) Linkify doesn't work in HTCMail. Hyperlinks are now dead in mail from 2.13.651.1 RUU and there is no easy fix. I believe this affects all up-to-date Sense ROMs
2.) Mike left the mail app alone and that's my beef with it-- it blows. The smallest font size is still entirely too large, which brings me to my next point..
3.) With a 720x1280 native resolution from an otherwise gorgeous 4.7" LCD, NO user deserves to be stuck with a 4x4 Rosie. Give me a ****ing break on the Playskool fonts, and I'm not 60 years old. I don't appreciate others reading my E-mail over my shoulder on an airplane, just because HTC gimped their software.
With Linkify crippled and the too-large font size still unresolved, I can't recommend a Sense ROM at this point. For me, MeanROM is there just to activate and update the PRL before flashing over to CM10.
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and none of those are the caused by meanrom, i just dont want someone thinking the rom is not complete or something, everyone is entitled to what they want, unfortunately the email thing is bc of apple . but the 4x4 rosie i actually like better, widgets never fit perfectly on 4x5 rosie. i dunno personal opinion i guess