I'm sure many of you, like myself, are sick of paying the $37 activation phone every time you upgrade your phone.
Well I just had an idea, to maybe, perhaps, get the fee waived.
What if we just go to Sprint/Bestbuy, use the upgrade to buy the phone.. and then tell them NOT to activate it?
THEN.. once you're home, call Spring from your device and say "hey, I just bought a new phone that I'd like to use on my account please" (like how you would do with a phone bought from Craigslist.)
Since they don't charge you anything for swapping phones, maybe they won't charge you here either?
What do you guys think?
arozer said:
I'm sure many of you, like myself, are sick of paying the $37 activation phone every time you upgrade your phone.
Well I just had an idea, to maybe, perhaps, get the fee waived.
What if we just go to Sprint/Bestbuy, use the upgrade to buy the phone.. and then tell them NOT to activate it?
THEN.. once you're home, call Spring from your device and say "hey, I just bought a new phone that I'd like to use on my account please" (like how you would do with a phone bought from Craigslist.)
Since they don't charge you anything for swapping phones, maybe they won't charge you here either?
What do you guys think?
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Impossible. No such thing as a $37 activation fee.
Impossible. If you buy at BestBuy they have to activate it for you.
arozer said:
I'm sure many of you, like myself, are sick of paying the $37 activation phone every time you upgrade your phone.
Well I just had an idea, to maybe, perhaps, get the fee waived.
What if we just go to Sprint/Bestbuy, use the upgrade to buy the phone.. and then tell them NOT to activate it?
THEN.. once you're home, call Spring from your device and say "hey, I just bought a new phone that I'd like to use on my account please" (like how you would do with a phone bought from Craigslist.)
Since they don't charge you anything for swapping phones, maybe they won't charge you here either?
What do you guys think?
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I believe they have to activate it in the store. Not certain, but I'm pretty sure that's a requirement. Also, I ordered min thru telesales and i was informed it came with a free activation! Maybe they can do something for you
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arozer said:
I'm sure many of you, like myself, are sick of paying the $37 activation phone every time you upgrade your phone.
Well I just had an idea, to maybe, perhaps, get the fee waived.
What if we just go to Sprint/Bestbuy, use the upgrade to buy the phone.. and then tell them NOT to activate it?
THEN.. once you're home, call Spring from your device and say "hey, I just bought a new phone that I'd like to use on my account please" (like how you would do with a phone bought from Craigslist.)
Since they don't charge you anything for swapping phones, maybe they won't charge you here either?
What do you guys think?
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would that work though? Because your account may have been flagged once the phone is shipped/picked up that there is an upgrade pending. When you call in to sprint for 'swapping' they might see that its a new model and charge regardless.
Your plan might work though. That's what I was planning to do just pick it up from BB and call when I'm home. I didnt know you have to activate it there.
njspank said:
I believe they have to activate it in the store. Not certain, but I'm pretty sure that's a requirement. Also, I ordered min thru telesales and i was informed it came with a free activation! Maybe they can do something for you
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lilbitz_1018 said:
would that work though? Because your account may have been flagged once the phone is shipped/picked up that there is an upgrade pending. When you call in to sprint for 'swapping' they might see that its a new model and charge regardless.
Your plan might work though. That's what I was planning to do just pick it up from BB and call when I'm home. I didnt know you have to activate it there.
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I'm 100% certain you don't have to activate in the store because last time I used 2 upgrades to get the Evo 3D and the Galaxy SII (Epic Touch or whatever), and I never got the Galaxy activated. I just sold it on Craigslist immediately.
Unless of course.. they changed it in the last half a year or so.
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I'm 100% certain you don't have to activate in the store because last time I used 2 upgrades to get the Evo 3D and the Galaxy SII (Epic Touch or whatever), and I never got the Galaxy activated. I just sold it on Craigslist immediately.
Unless of course.. they changed it in the last half a year or so.
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Best Buy won't sell you a $550 phone for $200 just because they are so nice. They get commissions from Sprint that cover the difference and few bucks for the store. In order to get commissions, they need to extend contract and activate the phone with their dealer code. So, activating the equipment is a requirement. If someone lets you walk away without activating a phone, they just made $400 mistake.
I think I may be able to clear this up. Anytime you upgrade with Sprint at a third party retailer (Radio Shack, Best Buy, Sprint Indirect Retailer, etc) they will use a system called SNAP.
In SNAP, when an upgrade is processed a $36 upgrade fee is automatically triggered on the account, or at time of purchase if it is ordered. This cannot be waived manually by any rep. The system just forces it. Whether the phone is activated or not, your still going to get charged the fee.
For example, if you ever order a device from a Sprint Indirect dealer and have the phone shipped to your house and never activate, you will still get that upgrade fee. Even if you were to throw that phone in the river as soon as UPS hands it over to you and never active it, ever.
So: the actual activation of the device does not warrant the upgrade fee, the fact of you using your upgrade and resigning the 2 year agreement does. Thats why it is officially called an "upgrade" fee. An activation fee is when you initially sign up with Sprint.
Hope that helps.
I called Sprint retention department recently before I preordered from Amazon and asked them specifically about the activation fee and she was willing to waive it for me. What she did tell me though was they could not pre-emptively waive it. It needs to go through and to charged to my account first, then I can call in again and have them take it off.
arozer said:
I'm sure many of you, like myself, are sick of paying the $37 activation phone every time you upgrade your phone.
Well I just had an idea, to maybe, perhaps, get the fee waived.
What if we just go to Sprint/Bestbuy, use the upgrade to buy the phone.. and then tell them NOT to activate it?
THEN.. once you're home, call Spring from your device and say "hey, I just bought a new phone that I'd like to use on my account please" (like how you would do with a phone bought from Craigslist.)
Since they don't charge you anything for swapping phones, maybe they won't charge you here either?
What do you guys think?
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Hate to break it to you, but this will NOT work. The reason you can swap other phones w/o charge is that they have been active on atleast one other account prior to yours. I can tell you this from exp I fought them on 3 fees for a week due to this. The phone had been on a friends account prior. now if you were to buy it from CL or Ebay, after it has been active on another acct first then you would not be charged.
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Azralag said:
I think I may be able to clear this up. Anytime you upgrade with Sprint at a third party retailer (Radio Shack, Best Buy, Sprint Indirect Retailer, etc) they will use a system called SNAP.
In SNAP, when an upgrade is processed a $36 upgrade fee is automatically triggered on the account, or at time of purchase if it is ordered. This cannot be waived manually by any rep. The system just forces it. Whether the phone is activated or not, your still going to get charged the fee.
For example, if you ever order a device from a Sprint Indirect dealer and have the phone shipped to your house and never activate, you will still get that upgrade fee. Even if you were to throw that phone in the river as soon as UPS hands it over to you and never active it, ever.
So: the actual activation of the device does not warrant the upgrade fee, the fact of you using your upgrade and resigning the 2 year agreement does. Thats why it is officially called an "upgrade" fee. An activation fee is when you initially sign up with Sprint.
Hope that helps.
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this is spot on and worded perfectly. Also, Bestbuy now uses BEAST only for processing new activations and upgrades instead of SNAP (i believe to track margin) but still has access to SNAP for other changes.
arozer said:
I'm sure many of you, like myself, are sick of paying the $37 activation phone every time you upgrade your phone.
Well I just had an idea, to maybe, perhaps, get the fee waived.
What if we just go to Sprint/Bestbuy, use the upgrade to buy the phone.. and then tell them NOT to activate it?
THEN.. once you're home, call Spring from your device and say "hey, I just bought a new phone that I'd like to use on my account please" (like how you would do with a phone bought from Craigslist.)
Since they don't charge you anything for swapping phones, maybe they won't charge you here either?
What do you guys think?
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You want to avoid the activation fee here is how. Buy the phone at full price, or ebay price from a reseller. Once you get the phone go on your Sprint account and do the online activation.
If you want that $199 price you are going to pay the activation fee, it'll get charged to your bill.
Open a credit union account, credit union discount waives activation fee.
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I called and asked them to waive it due to the delay in shipping, and they did
I called in account services as recommended else where in this thread.
What they offered me was a credit equal to the base rate - my employee discount if I extended the contract for another year. This extension is for the contract only and does not affect my equipment upgrade dates. Once I do upgrade the equipment, the date then gets pushed back another year from the time of activation (so the usual 24 months after activation). I only have one line with them with a MRC of $69.99+10 (no discount on the $10 though). I still have ~6 months on my current contract too.
I decided to go ahead with the offer since they're still the cheapest around here, and hopefully once lte roll out is completed, data will improve too. This credit cancels out the activation fee and a little more.
ymmv, but at this point I think they'll be making concessions to most customers, even those who in the past may not have qualified.
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I called and asked them to waive it due to the delay in shipping, and they did
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That was my plan after I got my phone. Ask for a refund due to the hassle. Shouldn't be too difficult to get someone to credit it.
i dont pay activation fees. its part of my corp. discount w/ accenture.
it doesnt matter where i buy the phone. i got an evo3d via amazon 1 cent sale and a second one at radio shack for 49.99. they didnt even attempt to add it to my bill. the guy at radio shack mentioned it, but when i got the bill, there was no fee.
some others offer this too. aaa for example.
www.aaa.com/sprint
arozer said:
I'm sure many of you, like myself, are sick of paying the $37 activation phone every time you upgrade your phone.
Well I just had an idea, to maybe, perhaps, get the fee waived.
What if we just go to Sprint/Bestbuy, use the upgrade to buy the phone.. and then tell them NOT to activate it?
THEN.. once you're home, call Spring from your device and say "hey, I just bought a new phone that I'd like to use on my account please" (like how you would do with a phone bought from Craigslist.)
Since they don't charge you anything for swapping phones, maybe they won't charge you here either?
What do you guys think?
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This is a good idea but if you have worked for Sprint you know that just placing the phone on the account will generate that $36. It's just labeled an activation fee. It literally takes nothing to activate a phone. Just a simple "hey let me use your connection" from your phone to the Sprint Network and then Sprint replies with a "well let me make sure your on an account via your dec number" then boom! the phone is connected.
that though sadly is not what generates the fee its the simple act of placing the phone on an account. Seriously go buy a phone via upgrade then dont activate it till after you recieve your bill. you will still see that fee on there even though your phone is still in the box. (not that anyone will do this) haha
Whenever you purchase a new phone that has never been activated before, you ALWAYS pay a one time activation fee. After that you can swap it from phone number to number and you will no pay it again. Is a one time thing.(I called Sprint twice and both reps said the same thing)
I just got my fee waived via a "promotional" discount the CS rep said they had. Not sure if that's true. I also used some info found in Ramit Sethi's scripts. Worth a call or two to get it waived.
I ordered my phone online, activated it online, and was still hit with the activation fee. Their bullsh!t excuse when I emailed them wad that they have to do such things to keep the subsidized prices on the phones low... to which I replied that I paid full MSRP and if I had bought it second hand, there'd be no activation fee. I concluded saying that I may never buy a phone through Sprint again. It has been escalated and I've been playing phone tag with someone higher up. I'll post back with how it turns out.
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AT&T is screwing us again! There doubling the upgrade fee this Sunday from $18 to $36!! It's changing a week before the galaxy note is being released. Thanks again AT&T!
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AT&T is screwing us again! There doubling the upgrade fee this Sunday from $18 to $36!! It's changing a week before the galaxy note is being released. Thanks again AT&T!
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I've been off all week, but this will be an interesting change to go back to work with on Monday. I just saw it on Engadget...
Well one thing I will say is preorder the Galaxy Note before sunday, the upgrade is processed immediately thus your fee with only be $18 if you upgrade today or tomorrow before the change on Sunday. This applies to at&t upgrades only, I am not sure how third party upgrades process such as Best Buy, etc...
- Dan
I went into the store and preordered mine and they told me that I made it just before the upgrade fee increase. Then they waived it.
I reserved my note @ Best Buy. They have not charged the upgrade fee, so well see. I'm sure AT&T will waive it, though. They are usually good about stuff like that...
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I just pre ordered mine at Best Buy and they told me $18
I guess I better call
MB860
This upgrade fee should only apply if you order directly from at&t in some manner?
But if you order from 3rd party group like Amazon, Costco, etc.... we should be safe from this bs?
Aerials said:
This upgrade fee should only apply if you order directly from at&t in some manner?
But if you order from 3rd party group like Amazon, Costco, etc.... we should be safe from this bs?
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I believe you are still charged the upgrade fee. You just don't see it because it appears on your next bill.
Tell me if I'm wrong though.
Some 3rd party retailer can wavie the upgrade fee but usually they will say so up front. AT&T still charges the fee but those retailers give you money back.
My Perimer account has been showing up with $36 upgrade fee for a year now. And also consistently shows new phone releases $100 more than non-primer acccounts or stores.
So, AT&T is simply leveling the field for all customers. Sooner or later, your new phone will be $100 more (so GS2 will be $299 and Note will be $399) as well if this trend continues.
AT&T will always try to nickel and dime you with some ridiculous charges. You just have to know how to call and complain about the charges and they will drop it for you. Every time they tried to charge me those ridiculous fees I called and complained and got it waved.
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AT&T will always try to nickel and dime you with some ridiculous charges. You just have to know how to call and complain about the charges and they will drop it for you. Every time they tried to charge me those ridiculous fees I called and complained and got it waved.
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Agreed. It is like this with Comcast, too. If you have shown loyalty as a long time customer and tell them you are dissatisfied, charges like this are easily negotiable.
I used to be a long time loyal customer . . . had a corporate account over 10 years old predating the cingular merger. Then I went and got married. Trying to get the frickers to add my wife to my account was like I was like talking to a brick wall... it took three days of being on the phone over eight hours (that's 24 hours total, mind you, not 8 hours spread over three days) and the only solution they ever found was to cancel my current account and create a new one from scrap. So now I'm only a 2 year customer instead of a 10+ year corporate customer. Grrrrr.
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Agreed. It is like this with Comcast, too. If you have shown loyalty as a long time customer and tell them you are dissatisfied, charges like this are easily negotiable.
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Yes Comcast Is exactly like that. I have had Adelphia cable and Comcast tool them over years ago. They jacked up the prices around two years ago. My dad called and complained. Said he would was going to Go to direct tv. They gave us an he upgrade, free DVR upgrade, top of the line Internet, free phone, and another he box for 1/2 the price per month. With that all added to our other stuff we only pay around $150 a month.
AT&T on the hand has never done anything like that for us. We have been with them when they were still Cingular. In fact my mom just get her Cingular sim card replaced with her 3G one fort her iPhone. They don't do crap for us. We pay close to $300 a month (and this month more that $300, do the new fee) and it continually rises because of these new data plans. I was in the market for a new network this time around, but they all suck. I have never been throttled, never went over my limit, my mom pays for the 2gb data plans on all of our accounts, and combined we use about 2.7gb per month. (thats 1.5 for me, 1.1 for my sister and .1 for my mom.)
My only other option was Verizon and the galaxy nexus but I chose the note and AT&T.
I hope I don't have to regret it.
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Upgrade fee is something that ATT CSR can easily remove for you. You just have to call and be friendly with them. I haven't yet to have any issue convincing them that upgrade fee is unreasonable (knock on wood). So the least you can try is reduce it to $18 if you get charged $36 by telling CSR that you preordered before the price increase date. I would first try to get the whole thing removed via 611.
I read a rumor that the $36 activation fee can be waved if you provide Sprint with your AAA card. Anyone done this?
does anyone know of any other way to avoid this "tax"?
I just pre-ordered the EVO LTE and will supposedly be charged the fee upon activation. Do I need to go into a Sprint store and show them my AAA card? Can I do this over the phone? Does it even work?
Thanks.
Idk about AAA. But I am going to try to get the fee waived upon activation by saying I stuck with my sprint order even though I could have got it cheaper through wirefly.
We will see.
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My fee is waived
leebo said:
I read a rumor that the $36 activation fee can be waved if you provide Sprint with your AAA card. Anyone done this?
does anyone know of any other way to avoid this "tax"?
I just pre-ordered the EVO LTE and will supposedly be charged the fee upon activation. Do I need to go into a Sprint store and show them my AAA card? Can I do this over the phone? Does it even work?
Thanks.
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I was told my fee is waived due to the plan I'm on.
I'm on sero Premium 450/min w/unlimted data & txt
I ordered a different phone for my daughter earlier this week. I just asked the representative to waive the activation fee and she did. I'll verify this when my next statement comes in.
tgrgrd00 said:
Idk about AAA. But I am going to try to get the fee waived upon activation by saying I stuck with my sprint order even though I could have got it cheaper through wirefly.
We will see.
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That would be nice. Let us know if you have success with that route.
Is there a way to cancel the pre-order with Sprint? Or am I SOL on the Wirefly and BB deals?
pdappcgeek said:
I was told my fee is waived due to the plan I'm on.
I'm on sero Premium 450/min w/unlimted data & txt
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Did you have to convince them?
I'm going to be upgrading to the same plan but was out of luck when trying to get the fee waived. Even mentioned how SERO members are forced to upgrade through sprint when wirefly and Best Buy are offering much better promotions on the same product..
Maybe another representative will yield better results.
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Did you have to convince them?
I'm going to be upgrading to the same plan but was out of luck when trying to get the fee waived. Even mentioned how SERO members are forced to upgrade through sprint when wirefly and Best Buy are offering much better promotions on the same product..
Maybe another representative will yield better results.
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No. She said "let me look at your account and see if there will be an activation fee....... no I see the activation fee is waived with your plan"
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pdappcgeek said:
No. She said "let me look at your account and see if there will be an activation fee....... no I see the activation fee is waived with your plan"
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I'll have to try this when my phone comes in and I activate it.
Thanks
Just and FYI since I said I would report back. I called Sprint and I asked about my activation fee and he initially said that I would have to pay it. I explained that I ordered through sprint even though I could have gotten the phone much cheaper through a 3rd party and I would appreciate it if they would wave the fee to help offset the cost difference. He put me on hold for 1 minute came back and said the activation fee has been waved.
Maybe this route can help some who ordered through Sprint.
To clarify about the AAA activation fee waiving:
You MUST have the AAA discount as your account's discount in order to use this. In other words, if you have an employer discount you use to get 15% off your bill every month, then THAT discount plan must include the fee waiver to get the waiver. You couldn't just flash your AAA card and get it.
So, if you have the AAA as your discount, you will receive 10% monthly off your bill, and waived activation fees. But you cannot mix and match, sadly. I talked to Sprint about this yesterday. Kind of disappointed... I don't want to pay $36 for no reason.
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Just and FYI since I said I would report back. I called Sprint and I asked about my activation fee and he initially said that I would have to pay it. I explained that I ordered through sprint even though I could have gotten the phone much cheaper through a 3rd party and I would appreciate it if they would wave the fee to help offset the cost difference. He put me on hold for 1 minute came back and said the activation fee has been waved.
Maybe this route can help some who ordered through Sprint.
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Guess I need to try this route as well. Knowing my luck, I'll get a 'no' person.
It wont hurt to ask when you call to activate it. The worst that could happen is they tell you no and charge you. The best is they wave the fee. I went with 119.00 on wirefly so I can't use the " went with Sprint" argument. Lets keep our fingers crossed.
PsiPhiDan said:
To clarify about the AAA activation fee waiving:
You MUST have the AAA discount as your account's discount in order to use this. In other words, if you have an employer discount you use to get 15% off your bill every month, then THAT discount plan must include the fee waiver to get the waiver. You couldn't just flash your AAA card and get it.
So, if you have the AAA as your discount, you will receive 10% monthly off your bill, and waived activation fees. But you cannot mix and match, sadly. I talked to Sprint about this yesterday. Kind of disappointed... I don't want to pay $36 for no reason.
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oh well
we shall see if my txt chat skills are up to this challenge once this "ESN storage fee" hits my bill.
If I lose I may ask them to explain how activating my phone costs them money, seems like they ESN goes into the system then blam that is all, once the ESN is in the system I can deactvate and active a month later without a fee, just curious if they have a legitimate reason for the fee,
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Guess I need to try this route as well. Knowing my luck, I'll get a 'no' person.
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If you get a "no" person just hang up and call back. Someone will do it for sure. I got it on first try so you will get it.
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Would this work?
What if a person with a sero plan (gets free activation) activates your phone on their line, then takes it off.
Now that you're phone's ESN is in their system, you'd be able to switch back to your own phone at no charge (avoiding the activation fee)
You could also call top tier CS. I called the regular CS line earlier today and was denied even after telling them I would just cancel and go to Best Buy he brought a manager on the manager said "we can't waive it so I suggest purchasing it at Best Buy"(Wow really). Called Top Tier CS and with no hassle the lady said she will waive the activation fee and follow up next week to make sure it wasn't added and if I have issues to call back and reference call today.
The number is: 1-866-727-0665
Just ask for account services once they answer
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You could also call top tier CS. I called the regular CS line earlier today and was denied even after telling them I would just cancel and go to Best Buy he brought a manager on the manager said "we can't waive it so I suggest purchasing it at Best Buy"(Wow really). Called Top Tier CS and with no hassle the lady said she will waive the activation fee and follow up next week to make sure it wasn't added and if I have issues to call back and reference call today.
The number is: 1-866-727-0665
Just ask for account services once they answer
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Thanks for the posting. I too called customer service and got the nope-nope-nope line. I don't understand how Amazon can get the activation waived, yet the person at Sprint today told me it is impossible. Every upgrade requries the $36 fee. I got a tough cookie on my first try.
I never have good luck. Should have waited for Amazon to list the phone. What happened to the days where everybody had the same price on launch day (maybe a $10 difference).
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Thanks for the posting. I too called customer service and got the nope-nope-nope line. I don't understand how Amazon can get the activation waived, yet the person at Sprint today told me it is impossible. Every upgrade requries the $36 fee. I got a tough cookie on my first try.
I never have good luck. Should have waited for Amazon to list the phone. What happened to the days where everybody had the same price on launch day (maybe a $10 difference).
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Amazon looks like the same link to "free activation" as Wirefly and others...it appears to only be good on NEW LINE activations. Anybody confirm this is not the case? That would certainly be another argument to make with S after I get the phone. I have BofA corp rate....and I have usually gotten the activation removed (5 lines...over 15 years with Sprint)....but not on the Evo3D's. Grr.
leebo said:
I read a rumor that the $36 activation fee can be waved if you provide Sprint with your AAA card. Anyone done this?
does anyone know of any other way to avoid this "tax"?
I just pre-ordered the EVO LTE and will supposedly be charged the fee upon activation. Do I need to go into a Sprint store and show them my AAA card? Can I do this over the phone? Does it even work?
Thanks.
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To answer your question the AAA membership will NOT waive upgrade fees, but It will waive the Activation fees. Meaning, if you are signing up with Sprint AAA will waive the fee but if you are a current Sprint customer, upgrading to a new device, unfortunately it will not waive the fee. That said, the AAA discount must be active on the account prior to you coming into the store for an upgrade or AT the time of purchase when signing up with Sprint. It will also save you 10% a month and like someone else has previously stated, you cannot mix discount so if you already have a discount the AAA will not apply.
For some slightly better news, if you go with the Credit Union membership discount, that WILL waive ALL fees, activation AND upgrade fees. It will also save you 10% a month. You just need to be a part of ANY credit union, BECU, Alaksa ect...
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Amazon looks like the same link to "free activation" as Wirefly and others...it appears to only be good on NEW LINE activations. Anybody confirm this is not the case? That would certainly be another argument to make with S after I get the phone. I have BofA corp rate....and I have usually gotten the activation removed (5 lines...over 15 years with Sprint)....but not on the Evo3D's. Grr.
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You are correct. If you are upgrading an existing line on Amazon you will still be charged the $36.00.
I know this because I called Sprint today. Tried to get them to waive activation fee, they would not again, but I was able to get them to cancel my preorder. So I ordered from Amazon instead (always been a fan w/ no hassle). Still saving $64.00 ($50 on phone & $16 on tax).
I know there will be a number of people in the exact same boat as me, and since I'm a moron, I could use the guidance before making a fatal error...
I pre-ordered the S3 prior to June 28th on Verizon to use my available upgrade and lock-in my unlimited plan for another 2 years. However, I do not want this phone and want to get the Inc4G instead.
I know I'll have to sell the S3 and buy the Inc4g off-contract. What I don't know is if I have to activate the S3 on my line prior to selling it. I see all these ebay listings saying the S3 is new and never activated, but when I asked vzw support over email they sort of insinuated that I had to activate the S3 first before selling it as part of the agreement process. Does that sound right?
If so, I guess I activate the S3 when I get it then box it all back up and send it to the eventual CL/eBay buyer - do I have to do anything to wipe the phone at that point for the person that buys it from me?
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I know there will be a number of people in the exact same boat as me, and since I'm a moron, I could use the guidance before making a fatal error...
I pre-ordered the S3 prior to June 28th on Verizon to use my available upgrade and lock-in my unlimited plan for another 2 years. However, I do not want this phone and want to get the Inc4G instead.
I know I'll have to sell the S3 and buy the Inc4g off-contract. What I don't know is if I have to activate the S3 on my line prior to selling it. I see all these ebay listings saying the S3 is new and never activated, but when I asked vzw support over email they sort of insinuated that I had to activate the S3 first before selling it as part of the agreement process. Does that sound right?
If so, I guess I activate the S3 when I get it then box it all back up and send it to the eventual CL/eBay buyer - do I have to do anything to wipe the phone at that point for the person that buys it from me?
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If I understood you correctly, you already upgraded your line, and so you can activate the s3, and then do whatever you want with it, as long as you keep the line active and pay your monthly bill. I've gotten phones as upgrades, then sold them soon after, the esn remains clean as long as the person who originally bought the phone as upgrade/new line keeps maintaining the line, or they pay the full etf.
In terms of preparing for sale, factory reset the phone before you sell it, that way your personal info is erased. Also, don't forget to wipe the SD card (if it came with one).
You don't have to ebay it. If you go to an actual VZW store and have them do an exchange which comes nicely along with a 35 dollar restocking fee, and not a return/replacement which they will want to do because it gets the sales rep a commission but screws you, you can swap it out in the store and keep unlimited data. The only thing you have to do is before you bring it in to swap it out it must be activated at least once, then you can wipe it or what ever.
Just make sure you talk to a sales rep that isn't a dope.
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You don't have to ebay it. If you go to an actual VZW store and have them do an exchange which comes nicely along with a 35 dollar restocking fee, and not a return/replacement which they will want to do because it gets the sales rep a commission but screws you, you can swap it out in the store and keep unlimited data. The only thing you have to do is before you bring it in to swap it out it must be activated at least once, then you can wipe it or what ever.
Just make sure you talk to a sales rep that isn't a dope.
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This! Definitely try an exchange at a Verizon Corporate store before you go through the trouble of selling your GS3 on eBay. There have been numerous people in this forum who've successfully exchanged phones without having their data plan changed, but a few folks haven't been as lucky. It's definitely worth a shot though.
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There have been numerous people in this forum who've successfully exchanged phones without having their data plan changed, but a few folks haven't been as lucky.
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...it's that part that worries me and after it's all said and done, they're like 'whoops, you lost unlimited. sorry bro, you only need 2gb anyway so what's the big deal - it's totally better this way'
I'll definitely go the exchange route first, though, before dealing with eBay - although it looks like I'd come out ahead $-wise with eBay.
Thanks for the help.
Thanks, I also plan to do this when I get my phone. I pre-ordered to retain my unlimited data.
Since the Inc4g is $149 and the GS3 is $199, do you get $50 back (then the restocking fee)?
I may still do the ebay route depending how much money I can get for it and how much cheaper I can buy an inc4g for. I also noticed the ads all say "unopened" "clean esn" "ready to activate"
If you are required to activate your phone prior to switching, then how do these ebay people do it?
Once I get the Inc4g, do I just activate using the setup on the phone or do I need to call in? If I activate the SG3, then buy an inc4g and activate that, then does that mean the SG3 now has a "clean esn"
Correct me If Im wrong , but I was under the impression if you go and EXCHANGE your SG3III box UNOPENED they will NOT charge a restocking fee.
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Correct me If Im wrong , but I was under the impression if you go and EXCHANGE your SG3III box UNOPENED they will NOT charge a restocking fee.
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I heard that if you do that (or any exchange), you lose your unlimited. But I've heard different stories.
When I called my local verizon store and asked if I could retain my unlimited data when exchanging the phone they said no. I guess I could try calling a different location or something...
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You should be fine with not losing unlimited. The only way you can lose it is if you upgrade your phone with a new contract. I would assume if you upgraded the line already the contract should be in place. You can log into your account and see when the upgrade dat eis.
I called my local verizon store today and they told me they would accept the s3 and I would still be able to keep my unlimited data. I will do it once I get off work since my phone arrives today. I will post back tonight!
So if I get an Inc4g (and sell the SG3) and keep my unlimited, do I just activate the Inc4g? or do I need to first activate the SG3, then activate the Inc4g?
Hey,
The key is you need to open the box and activate the GS3 which nails you with the 35 dollar restocking fee for swapping it out for the exchange but it also locks in your contract with unlimited data.
Jeff
jvward said:
Hey,
The key is you need to open the box and activate the GS3 which nails you with the 35 dollar restocking fee for swapping it out for the exchange but it also locks in your contract with unlimited data.
Jeff
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When you "exchange" do you get the $50 rebate?
I may plan to sell it on ebay then buy an Inc on ebay. I figure if I can sell for $600 or higher and get an Inc4g for $350 or lower, I will break even with verizon's $200 + tax + $35 fee assuming I can't take advantage of the $50 rebate.
In that case, do I still need to open it and activate it?
And if I don't activate, and just activate the Inc4g, then what happens?
Is there anything special to be done with the sim card?
I have successfully exchanged in my S3 for the Incredible 4g. I walked in with my un-opened/un-activated S3 and asked for a straight up exchange. I still have my unlimited data intact and received the $50 dollar mail in rebate. HOWEVER I did have to pay the $35 dollar restocking fee. Good luck.
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I have successfully exchanged in my S3 for the Incredible 4g. I walked in with my un-opened/un-activated S3 and asked for a straight up exchange. I still have my unlimited data intact and received the $50 dollar mail in rebate. HOWEVER I did have to pay the $35 dollar restocking fee. Good luck.
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Thats what I like to hear. My S3 is arriving tomorrow and I want the Inc4g but had to lock in my unlimited. I will be doing tomorrow what you did today.
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Thats what I like to hear. My S3 is arriving tomorrow and I want the Inc4g but had to lock in my unlimited. I will be doing tomorrow what you did today.
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I will also be switching to Inc from S III because of the sh!t screen the S III has on it (dim, pentile, generally crap).
I do not expect to pay restocking. I will not be opening the S III box!!! That would be completely unacceptable. I also expect the $50 difference of the price. It's just plain fair.
Also S III has locked boot loader, Inc does not. I hope this means we get good ROMs and mods etc.
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I will also be switching to Inc from S III because of the sh!t screen the S III has on it (dim, pentile, generally crap).
I do not expect to pay restocking. I will not be opening the S III box!!! That would be completely unacceptable. I also expect the $50 difference of the price. It's just plain fair.
Also S III has locked boot loader, Inc does not. I hope this means we get good ROMs and mods etc.
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I was told that I had to pay the restocking fee. I will try and call csr tomorrow and try and get out of it. I was also told by a chat rep that I could get out of the activation fee as well. I will update you guys again tomorrow.
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I was told that I had to pay the restocking fee. I will try and call csr tomorrow and try and get out of it. I was also told by a chat rep that I could get out of the activation fee as well. I will update you guys again tomorrow.
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I am not usually one to be rude in public or anything, but that is unacceptable. I assume you have not opened the box. In my case they won't have a problem selling a Galaxy S III. They'll probably sell my phone that day. So I don't expect anything less than $50 back and a "Have a Nice Day".
I do wish I had an S III with an LCD display. But the AMOLED is just so incredibly terrible no pun intended. At least to my eyes, anyhow. YMMV.
OH, if I can get the $50 rebate then I think its indeed worth it to exchange vs trying the ebay route with the selling fees, paypal fees, and shipping it would be tough to break even even with paying that $35 restocking.
I suspect with enough complaining and letters, I could get that waived if it was still sealed on box. Ofcourse its a "restocking" fee, not a "repacking" fee. Does it really cost them $35 to put the box back on the shelf?
It's $299 - $100 Walmart E-Giftcard = $199! Great for those for a new account.
Linky: http://wireless.walmart.com/eCommerce/SpecialOffer.aspx?cid=36575_f288944bf50047879ddee43a18be2111
I've already read people on the Slickdeals forum for those wanting to upgrade, they just called customer service to order the phone.
Thank you! Saw this on SD and was looking for the link to it. Do you know how I would apply my company discount if I was to buy via Walmart.com? Also, any chance Walmart would waive activation fee?
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Thank you! Saw this on SD and was looking for the link to it. Do you know how I would apply my company discount if I was to buy via Walmart.com? Also, any chance Walmart would waive activation fee?
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You can always call Verizon customer service to apply your company discount. If your company discount includes waiving of the activation fee, they normally remove that as well. It can all be done after the fact. That's how I've handle my previous new accounts before with different carriers so I would think they would do the same. I don't think you can get Walmart to waive it but you can always try by calling their customer service number.
Just pre-ordered...thanks! :good:
Thanks. I just canceled my Verizon order and did this. BTW you can't keep your unlimited data just by checking the keep existing data option, it messes up the order and then you have to call them and chose one of the other data options. I thought it'd be worth a try though.
It says it applies to upgrades as well, but it also says "ships when available". I have a $50 credit at Verizon so I might just get it there so I know I don't have to wait several weeks.
Also, people should note that it is an eGift card, so you won't be able to use it in stores on groceries etc.
Is this just a today thing, available through cyber monday or likely throughout the holiday season?
It's a limited time thing, but you don't get the card until you are out if the 14 day exchange period. The guy I ordered from said they already have the Verizon Note 2s in their warehouse, and are waiting for launch to send them.
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Again, is limited time today? For a variety of reasons, I would rather buy on monday (I need to decide whether to upgrade or buy outright to keep unlimited data), but would do it now if the offer expires today.
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Again, is limited time today? For a variety of reasons, I would rather buy on monday (I need to decide whether to upgrade or buy outright to keep unlimited data), but would do it now if the offer expires today.
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I THINK a local store also had $100 gift cards with a bunch of in stock phones (including GS3) until December 1st. That doesn't mean the online site will keep this deal until then though...
You could call or email them. I'm sure they'll tell you if it's ending soon so you feel rushed to buy from them.
The $100 promotion runs until December 1st.
http://wireless.walmart.com/additionalDetailsDisplay.aspx?AdditionalDetailsID=8214
I have a $100 walmart GC so this is a perfect combo for me.
Does this one come with a sim card? I don't have my own yet and I know Verizon gives you one for free when you preorder from them.
I called my local wal-mart and they had no idea of the promotion. Can someone else call their local wal-mart and see if they know anything about this as well?
Plus it isn't really like we are getting the N2 for 199.99. It should say 299.99 + $100 eGift card.
EDIT: There is a commercial for this on the TV. I called back my local wal-mart and they said they have the same offer and that the associate I talked to earlier must've been in electronics and not in their mobile dept.
This may be an issue for some...
I was all set to jump on this deal and then read some of the terms and conditions. For those of you who are looking to upgrade another line and then move the phone over to your line in order to keep your unlimited data, you could potentially trigger a fee of up to $400 by doing so. Please see the bolded text.
Instant Savings Discounts
By accepting this Instant Savings Discount, you agree to repay $200 of this discount ($400 for smartphones, tablets, and netbooks) and authorize us to charge your credit card in repayment of this amount if, you signed up for a 2 year agreement and during the 181 days after your new equipment is activated, Verizon Wireless notifies us that the services you purchased have been suspended, disconnected, or deactivated, or if you return your purchase outside of the return and exchange provisions of our Satisfaction Guarantee.
Other than you simply deactivating a line we've activated, Verizon Wireless could notify us that you deactivated if:
You fail to pay Verizon Wireless in accordance with their terms and conditions
You transfer equipment we activate on one line to another Verizon Wireless line, even within the same account
You activate this equipment on a new line of service on Verizon Wireless and use it to replace an existing Verizon Wireless line by deactivating the existing line.
I'm guessing this won't be a problem if you transfer an eligible upgrade over to another line, since by doing such a transfer, it now ties the line that is taking the upgrade to the new data terms (e.g. removes grandfathered unlimited data). However, this is different than trying to circumvent the system and keep your unlimited data.
My fear is that this trigger doesn't happen within the 14 return period and then you are stuck with a phone on a different line than what you originally wanted.
My fear is what happens when I sell the Note2 for a different phone in 6 months. Am I going to get a $400 charge?
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My fear is what happens when I sell the Note2 for a different phone in 6 months. Am I going to get a $400 charge?
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As long as you have kept the phone for a minimum of 181 days (approx. 6 months) you should be fine. As that is the trigger for the Instant Savings.
I decided to bite bullet by cancelling my Verizon pre-order and going for this deal, but once I ordered it they told me it was out of stock. Now I have to wait for some unknown time to even find out when my phone will be shipped. Unbelievable. I know I'm getting a $100 gift card, but it's not like Wal-Mart is the sorta place I would want to shop (with the way they treat their employees and whatnot). Eh, it's just a phone, I'll get over this. I'm just a bit irked right now.
Yes, I followed up on this since someone else in my family is interested in the N2. I am forced to buy one at VZW because I need to deactivate it and swap-lines. However, my sister does not... so I called in Wal-Mart and ordered through them since she does not really care when she gets it. The deal is this, the eGift card works both in real life and online per the rep. If you want to use these gift cards somewhere else, buy a visa gift card. They charge a fee, but pretty much you can move it elsewhere. The other issue is VZW allows you to get $50 off without activation fees (with some haggling, I've had no luck with this, but other members have) so $30 saved too. So essentially if you are up for the $50 off at vzw, you can save a whopping $20 by going to Wal-Mart. According to the rep i've talked to, they have no idea when they will ship out the phone. The phone, according to them, is in very high demand. They are awaiting stock still and have no clue when it will be shipped out from their warehouse.
On another note, I was looking at their insurance plans for phones. No deduct, covers stolen, water damage, etc... for $60 bucks for two years. Seems way better than VZW, which has a $150 deduct, and BB, which doesn't cover stolen devices.
Anyone deal with their insurance at Wal-Mart? Seems sweet, since they are such a big company they rarely fight with customers in terms of returns... so I assume this should be the least amount of hassle in covering the device?
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here is the funny part too. you don't get the gift card right away. she said as late as feb 2013 you will get a code for it.
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Yes, I followed up on this since someone else in my family is interested in the N2. I am forced to buy one at VZW because I need to deactivate it and swap-lines. However, my sister does not... so I called in Wal-Mart and ordered through them since she does not really care when she gets it. The deal is this, the eGift card works both in real life and online per the rep. If you want to use these gift cards somewhere else, buy a visa gift card. They charge a fee, but pretty much you can move it elsewhere. The other issue is VZW allows you to get $50 off without activation fees (with some haggling, I've had no luck with this, but other members have) so $30 saved too. So essentially if you are up for the $50 off at vzw, you can save a whopping $20 by going to Wal-Mart. According to the rep i've talked to, they have no idea when they will ship out the phone. The phone, according to them, is in very high demand. They are awaiting stock still and have no clue when it will be shipped out from their warehouse.
On another note, I was looking at their insurance plans for phones. No deduct, covers stolen, water damage, etc... for $60 bucks for two years. Seems way better than VZW, which has a $150 deduct, and BB, which doesn't cover stolen devices.
Anyone deal with their insurance at Wal-Mart? Seems sweet, since they are such a big company they rarely fight with customers in terms of returns... so I assume this should be the least amount of hassle in covering the device?
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here is the funny part too. you don't get the gift card right away. she said as late as feb 2013 you will get a code for it.
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Where do you see insurance plans for contract phones? I can only find them for non-contract and pre-paid phones. Do you have a link?
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Where do you see insurance plans for contract phones? I can only find them for non-contract and pre-paid phones. Do you have a link?
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Damn, I didn't even see that. I just read the link to the side that said accidental protection and skipped to the coverage
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=21556885
After failing at convincing myself not to get one, since I already own a Note 10.1, I headed to a local Verizon brick and mortar ready to pay full price to retain unlimited data. Upon arriving found...
They have it in stock. Check.
They have it in grey. Check.
I asked to pay full price and that's when things went sour. He pulled up my mobile # then proceeded with the upselling trying to get me to add a line, up my plan, change my plan saying that it won't affect my unlimited data when I know it's a lie then when he couldn't get his way he said he couldn't sell me one even for full price.
Learned my lesson. Dropped by Best Buy with a different approach since they're all obviously giving priority to new contract and contract extension. When it was my turn I said I wanted to buy one full price as a gift and the recipient would come in to choose plan and activate. It rung up $799 but had them price match to Verizon for $699. A kind gentleman here posted a receipt for $670 so will use that for price adjustment towards accessories.
Awesome phone and well worth the effort. Another BB salesperson and a customer noticed I was buying it and complemented it as they bought it too.
It's because by buying the phone outright they don't make commission off of it. Also by buying the phone out of contract, it's one less phone to sell to someone who is planning on upgrading or signing a new contract. Cheers to you though, it's an awesome phone.
I bet if you would have called customer service they would have forced them to do it.
The 1-800 line has over riding power over ANYTHING they say in the store if your account is noted.
You can buy at full retail online and over the phone(I did) and to VZW Coportate offices a sale is a sale.
I work for a Verizon store and can confirm that adding a line will keep your data. What I do is swap the new phone to the number you want and scan an ESN of a crappy feature phone change the last 2 numbers of the ESN and that way you won't get billed for the data on your added line. Works like a charm and I get commission you get your new phone and its a win win.
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I had a similar experience when I picked it up on the 29th when the store first opened. They tried telling me that they could not sell the phone for full price on launch day. The salesman then tried calling the manager to check, but was not able to get hold of him. Luckily another associate said that the store was allowed to sell one phone at full price... which happened to be me as I was waiting for them to open.
Wyatt W.
I bought my gray Note II from a brick and mortar VZ store for full price an hour after they came in with no problem.
From what I understand the policy is that it's up to the store manager's discretion whether or not they wish to sell you a phone at full retail or not.
It's not so much a matter of commission I don't believe, as they do earn some commission on even full retail sold phones, but the thing is it looks a lot better for the store to get a new customer or upgrade an old one, than it is to sell a phone out right. And selling that phone removes inventory that could go to a potential upgrade/new customer.
sorry i am new.
why not add a line and then pay 350 to terminate it? will it hurt your credit or something?
I just had a bought the phone in store for my fiancé using an upgrade on my unlimited line. Didn't affect my unlimited at all. Just have to get a rep that knows how to do it
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sorry i am new.
why not add a line and then pay 350 to terminate it? will it hurt your credit or something?
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Think Verizon charges u another ETF which all comes out to $15 less then buying the phone at full retail ($700) but easier and less of a headache just buying at retail (there is some kind of loop with a dummy line on your account but not everyone has one)
Whatever the Verizon store policy is, it must be manager discretion or it's not followed consistantly.
I called the closest store to verify they had a gray Note 2 in stock and an hour later I was walking out the door with one at full retail with no issues.
I just told the sales guy I wanted to pay full retail to keep my unlimited data, and he said "no problem". I just verified on "My Verizon"...It shows my new phone and my unlimited data is still intact.
BTW...LOVE this phone! Coming from a rooted DX, running CM7...This phone is 'da bomb'!
I got mine full cost, no issues. Wish I had got the gray titanium color though...sigh.
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This isn't the first time I've heard this so I was worried when I went in Thursday trying to buy it.
They let me do it, could tell she was reluctant. Now I know why since they don't receive the commission, which is stupid.
Same thing happened to me... I felt the pain of waiting so long for this phone then telling me they couldn't sell me it.
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I will only buy phones from best buy because they price matched a launch phone heavily and their 9 dollar a month unlimited warranty is amazing. I bent an iPhone 5 in half they took it back laughing and gave me a new one. Assurion would a charged 100 to swap. So far I'm liking best buys phone insurance and price match on a launch day even
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How do you bend an iphone in half? Lol!
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Ran it over with a forklift wheel
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mi7chy said:
After failing at convincing myself not to get one, since I already own a Note 10.1, I headed to a local Verizon brick and mortar ready to pay full price to retain unlimited data. Upon arriving found...
They have it in stock. Check.
They have it in grey. Check.
I asked to pay full price and that's when things went sour. He pulled up my mobile # then proceeded with the upselling trying to get me to add a line, up my plan, change my plan saying that it won't affect my unlimited data when I know it's a lie then when he couldn't get his way he said he couldn't sell me one even for full price.
Learned my lesson. Dropped by Best Buy with a different approach since they're all obviously giving priority to new contract and contract extension. When it was my turn I said I wanted to buy one full price as a gift and the recipient would come in to choose plan and activate. It rung up $799 but had them price match to Verizon for $699. A kind gentleman here posted a receipt for $670 so will use that for price adjustment towards accessories.
Awesome phone and well worth the effort. Another BB salesperson and a customer noticed I was buying it and complemented it as they bought it too.
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do you have a link to that receipt? i would like to go get my price adjusted also
If it's a corporate store, they have to sell it to you at full retail. Or at least that's what I've been told by Verizon customer service in the past.
Back when the Droid 3 first came out, I went in to buy one at full retail. The rep said they didn't sell phones at full retail in the store, and that I'd have to order one online or over the phone. I asked to speak with the manager, and he told me the same thing - "We can't sell phones at full retail in the store." I said "Yes you can. Either you don't know that you can for some odd reason or you're just making that up." Having purchased phones at full retail from corporate stores before, I promptly called customer service and told them where I was and what was going on. The manager received a call a few minutes later, and I walked out with my new Droid 3 a few minutes later.
Authorized retailers might be a different story, but corporate stores should sell it to you. If they don't, call customer service right then and there.
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I work for a Verizon store and can confirm that adding a line will keep your data. What I do is swap the new phone to the number you want and scan an ESN of a crappy feature phone change the last 2 numbers of the ESN and that way you won't get billed for the data on your added line. Works like a charm and I get commission you get your new phone and its a win win.
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This is exactly what I did yesterday at my brick and mortar verizon store. Was going to pay full price to get the phone, but the the salesman stated he could convert my two lines I currently have into a family plan without changing the unlimited data I have and add a new line for $10 a month. He then looked at my account and just used an old ESN from an old non smart phone so I won't get charged data rates on the new phone line. Yes I understand the long run I am paying almost $600 for the phone but it is spread out over the 2 year term. Now I have a line I can use for upgrades in the future if I am not forced to dump my unlimited data. I was very pleased with my salesman yesterday.