No surprise really, but still, I won't be renewing my contract.
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http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/16/3024472/verizon-kills-unlimited-data-lte-upgrades
Sure, why should VZW build the network we want when they can just charge what they want!?
Losers!
This is the writing on the wall for me. I'm switching to T-Mobile. GSM works better anyways.
So he says:
"If I can add as many devices as I want and share that data plan, that's a lot more efficient from a family share perspective, from a small business perspective,"
How is this efficient? Maybe I'm not seeing it right, but I dont want to share my data with anyone. If I have someone on my plan that uses a crap load of data, thats taking away from my data use. Maybe it's good for Verizon because that would mean I would need to purchase a higher data plan. But that sucks for me, the customer.
That's why they worded it that way.
It does make sense for the guy that has an iPad, smartphone, data for portable computing. However, that assumes that I don't want unlimited data... It's like Comcast capping data from home.
Standard procedure at Big Red. It's like they are edging Unlimited users closer and closer to the end of a cliff and into tiers. But eventually =
What's contributing to the uncertainty is some of the phrasing of Verizon CFO Fran Shammo's statements yesterday, particularly the moment when he said flat out: "Everyone will be on data share."
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My dad wants to finally get a smartphone and he said I could buy the subsidized phone. He'd take my DX2 bc he doesn't care about the latest and greatest. I only question and worry if he'll be stuck signed into the 2gb of data tier just days before they come out with something potentially better with the new plans.
Don't worry, Verizon will always let you sign up for an extension on a new plan at a higher rate.
I would switch to a a different provider. There's no end to the nonsense until they squeeze every last dollar out of you. They report to share holders not customers... They got that part clear.
Verzon clarified this. It's only if you buy a subsidized device.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...ing-if-you-buy-a-4g-phone-this-summer-onward/
So pull $500+ out of your behind and you're good to go.
The promise of smart phones is over. Back to the days of SMS and voice. IPhone was just a flash in the pan..........
Larry94 said:
Verzon clarified this. It's only if you buy a subsidized device.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...ing-if-you-buy-a-4g-phone-this-summer-onward/
So pull $500+ out of your behind and you're good to go.
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Who the heck is not going to want to upgrade to 4G anyways? This was a great plan on Verizon's part. Touche dickheads
Come over to the dark side...
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Who the heck is not going to want to upgrade to 4G anyways? This was a great plan on Verizon's part. Touche dickheads
Come over to the dark side...
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My wallet doesn't want to upgrade to 4G >__>
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My wallet doesn't want to upgrade to 4G >__>
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I **** you not, when I looked at the data plans, my back right pocket began to hurt like hell.
Come over to the dark side...
Amazing. First, they take away the "new every two".
Next, they charge you $30 for your free upgrades (not free any more, jerks).
Now this? And, if you WANT to keep it, you have to pay the full price for your new phone?
Verizon is doing EVERYTHING in their power to drive their customers away. I may have to take a look at Sprint. Someone at my work has it and they have a total of 5 phones and a shared, unlimited data plan and it's $130 a month + tax. Wow! I've paying MORE than that for 4 lines and only I have the unlimited data plan.
I just don't know what the coverage is of Sprint, though and what Android phones they offer.
Even though they blow chunks as a company, the coverage is still hard to beat. Guess you have to pick your poison
Well, now with Motorola now coming out officially and stating that the X2 will stay on 2.3 and NOT get ICS, I'm pretty much done with Verizon AND Motorola.
Sprint has an truly unlimited data plan (no throttling) AND they have an unlimited FAMILY data plan, unlike Verizon which appears to be giving a LIMITED shared plan.
Here's the link to the Motorola Android Software Upgrade page stating that the X2 will stay on 2.3:
https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
I figured this was going to happen, so it's not that much of a shock as the Verizon announcements have been.
I don't understand the hate towards Verizon. How many people with unlimited plans were actually using 4+ GB/month in order to warrant the unlimited plan in the first place? My guess is less than 5% of all customers do this and actually needed unlimited data.
Now Verizon nerfs the unlimited plan and people get pissed? I hate to be the devils' advocate but it is a good move on their part. The vast majority of users don't even use anywhere near 2 GB/month (I know I don't, and nobody I know has even come close to that cap) so why keep an unneeded plan around?
I personally use well over 5gb of data... and I use that in less than 2 weeks... long as I'm on prepaid think ill be good on my data.
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I don't understand the hate towards Verizon. How many people with unlimited plans were actually using 4+ GB/month in order to warrant the unlimited plan in the first place? My guess is less than 5% of all customers do this and actually needed unlimited data.
Now Verizon nerfs the unlimited plan and people get pissed? I hate to be the devils' advocate but it is a good move on their part. The vast majority of users don't even use anywhere near 2 GB/month (I know I don't, and nobody I know has even come close to that cap) so why keep an unneeded plan around?
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It's not the actual data cap that ticks us off. It's the fact that they are going to milk their customers for everything it's worth...
Getting new customers is one thing, but those who are grandfathered is a low blow to those who stayed with Verizon when they eliminated unlimited plans.
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Well here's my story for whoever wants to listen. I started with sprint not that long ago, with the Evo 4G. I came from T-mobile, and from the minute I started with sprint I really loved the service. I add my father to my plan, so i have a family plan for two, coming out to about 170 dollars when all is said and done. I started wondering if I really needed to be paying that much, because on my family plan we use about 200 out of the 1500 minutes we get every month, and we don't have 4G in the area. I do some research and find that i can do the 700 minute plan on AT&T with 2gb of data each for about 145 a month. That would equate to about 300 dollars a year, something worth considering.
SO, I call up sprint, I have a nice tone, and ask them if I am able to lower my bill in any way. They are obviously making money off of my minutes, and whether or not they may credit my account because I can save 25 dollars with no consequences just by switching companies. Lower support tells me there is nothing they can do, and I tell them that I am going to cancel the lines. "One second please," "let me transfer you to our retentions department." Ok I feel like maybe retentions will do something for me. So after talking to the first level of retentions, she tells me that there is nothing they can do and that if I would like to lower my bill I can switch to a feature phone. What??? So I tell them that that is simply not an option, and that I'll just cancel the lines. "One moment please, have a talk with my supervisor." The supervisor again tells me to switch to a feature phone, and I say that that is not an option and that I would just like to cancel the lines. She rudely responds, "Alright is that all I can help you with today?" I questionally respond "I guess so," and she hangs up the phone.
Now I'm pissed, I have to do this all over again, and I end up transfering my lines to AT&T and saving the money. I had spoken with one more sprint associate, and asked if they would rather lose both my contracts then to credit my account for 20 dollars a month, and was basically told yes.
I am pleased on AT&T and the GS2 is a great phone. AT&T actually made a mistake setting up my account, and credited my first month with 30 dollars and 100 free minutes.
This 20 billion dollar iPhone deal seems to have Sprint by the balls, sorry just felt like venting.
You know, I usually never say this, but I have to:
Cool story, bro.
Seriously, none of us care what you do. It's your life, do what you want. Sometimes I just wish XDA would open up a complaint forum for people to vent in.
This wasn't me trying to tell you guys about "what I'm doing." It was me telling you about an unsatisfactory experience with multiple sprint employees and their inability to keep a customer when it is more or less known fact that people get credits to their accounts.
Now I know that you probably got butt hurt when you saw the GS2 in these forums, and that was probably responsible for your douche bag response. I loved sprint, they had awesome customer service. Had to make a decision with my wallet this time and the sprint employees didn't exactly help in this situation.
Your unsatisfactory experience is that they didn't give you free money, that's all. I mean, it sucks that you got a rude CS associate, but still, the jist is you wanted free money for no reason. You were basically blackmailing them by saying "give me free money or I'm switching".
And no, I didn't get "butt hurt" by seeing GS2. I got annoyed because you just want something for free.
You must either be trolling me or just don't know much about how companies work??? I did not just want free money. I expressed to them over and over again that I would like to stay with sprint. If I can pay less for the same amount of usage at another company, why would you not want to price match, unless it was going to cause you to lose money overall? They could take my 150$, or they could take nothing, and they chose nothing. Sorry if this offends you.
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Nothing wrong with what the Sprint reps suggested, done or with the move you made. If your usage pattern fits the carrier, that's where you should be.
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I don't get it; the Sprint plan gives you more data and more minutes than the AT&T plan, why should they give you any discount.
madmax2k1 said:
I don't get it; the Sprint plan gives you more data and more minutes than the AT&T plan, why should they give you any discount.
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He was arguing his usage of few few minutes to lower the price since they were far below the talk time for that plan.
So where as Sprint caters to those who use more at low prices.
He needs a Plan that caters to users who use less, allotted less & pay less.
This was a case of the wrong carrier choice. AT&T would work out for people who use less, Sprint works well for people who use more.
Whats weird is my dad called sprint and we had the 3000 family plan in which they had no problem lowering it to the 1500 plan which saved us somewhere around $20-$30 a month. Not sure why there not willing to keep a customer because instead of making $1300+ a year off of you now they get none of that.
But just remember AT&T has the worst customer service supposidly.
I agree, Sprint currently has all or nothing plans. I think if they want to attract customers they have to have more options. especially in terms of their family plans. I don't like their one size fits all types of plans but it is what it is I guess.
billyapd21 said:
I agree, Sprint currently has all or nothing plans. I think if they want to attract customers they have to have more options. especially in terms of their family plans. I don't like their one size fits all types of plans but it is what it is I guess.
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+1 on this. I really don't know why that is. I use to have a family plan $40/month where I have unlimted data, sms, mms, and the other line was flip phones with just voice. There is no such plan anymore. All family plans now if their with data then all the phones have to have data. Doesnt make sense to me.
What you guys have been talking about is pretty much my point. If your competitors offer similar plans, why not do so yourself? 1500 minutes and unlimited data is not really necessary for a two person plan, yet that's their only option. Sorry for being unclear and sounding like I was complaining about not simply getting a discount, I guess sprint just wasn't a good fit for me, shame for them though because I was willing to stay if they had a competitive plan.
At 2.9 gb for the month. In 3g area I usually get about 1.4 upload on speed test. Now in getting .19 consistently ....
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At 2.9 gb for the month. In 3g area I usually get about 1.4 upload on speed test. Now in getting .19 consistently ....
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You had probally reached your data plan limit, now you are running in a lower donwload speeds. Thanks
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Have grandfathered unlimited data plan so. I couldn't have reached limit on plan
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I have grandfathered unlimited data as well. I have not noticed this and I often go over 200/300 gigs a month as I use my phone as my sole internet source.
I am curious if they ever do throttle grandfathered unlimited data users.
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...I often go over 200/300 gigs a month as I use my phone as my sole internet source.
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This is why carriers have gone to tiered data.. just sayin'
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I have grandfathered unlimited data as well. I have not noticed this and I often go over 200/300 gigs a month as I use my phone as my sole internet source.
I am curious if they ever do throttle grandfathered unlimited data users.
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Me too... At work streaming pandora & at home playing FPS games & downloading videos, movies... lol I dont use that much though... damn
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This is why carriers have gone to tiered data.. just sayin'
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No, they went to tiered data so they can bill the end user for more money while instilling the belief that people are using too much data and they can't support it.
It reminds me of the early 80s when the gas prices climbed to .75¢ a gallon and the gloom and doom prophets said the outrageous price increase was because of a limited supply, and the world would be completely devoid of fossil fuels by...wait for it...1987. Now, I have looked around, and I see that people, nearly 30 years after the world ran out of gas, are still buying the same old BS and paying upwards of $5 a gallon...while the price in Venezuela on Monday was...get this...18¢ a gallon after converting to USD.
So, don't buy the whole limited bandwidth BS. My school has multiple Gigabit connections and probably runs through more data than the average small country because its a super computing node for some high end government cluster. I asked one of the EE professors how close they were to maxing out the fiber optic line coming in and he said "oh, occasionally we will hit half a percent of total capacity".
Moral of the story: they charge you more for tiered data because you will pay it.
Now, calling someone a ****ing moron because you believe the utter BS that a greed filled multinational conglomerate feeds you about why they want to charge you more dollars for less product is somewhat odepian in nature don't you think?
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This is why carriers have gone to tiered data.. just sayin'
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Hey, I pay the $30 a month for the wireless tethering even though I know there are ways around it. I always pay my bill on time and I have been a loyal Verizon customer for years... So you bet I'm going to use the crap out of my grandfathered in unlimited data!!! Why would I pay another $100 a month to Verizon for Fios which would just give me what I already have through my phone...? INTERNET ACCESS!!!
While ATT truly throttles their customers based on TOTAL download, VZW's stance as I'm told prior to switching a few days ago, is: If you're on a particular tower and it is congested and you've used over 2 Gigs, your traffic will be "optimized" at a preferable speed to allow other users to use the service. So, they throttle based on tower congestion.. much fairer. If you connect to a different tower, then all the "throttling / optimization" goes away and you should be back to your normal 3g/4g speeds..until you return to the throttled tower.
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Have grandfathered unlimited data plan so. I couldn't have reached limit on plan
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Yep! Unlimited data plans are not that much unlimited. you have probably a caped internet, complain about it. :/
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Good day you used over 300GB and you still get good speed?
Do you drop data and if so does it happen more then 1 time a week?
I would like to know, becuase I have had some isuses and I don't know how/if I can fix it.
Thanks
Well I was at about 72GB yesterday and I downloaded a 13GB torrent file and was getting over 1.5MB down... So no I don’t think I was being throttled.
Complete ameture or "noob" as you guys say. Are these razrs simply not meant for 3g? I mean it works, but I had an iphone before and it took no time for a song on pandora to buffer. it takes an eternity on my razr.. Obviously the phone isn't firing on all cylinders in 3g but let's just say Iphone 3g > RAZR 3g. Somebody care to call me out and explain?
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Realize I spelled "amateur" wrong. Trying out swift key today and swype no longer is spelling for me.
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Droped data 3 times today in two places with -69dbm to -86dbm or 3-5 bars. It's really starting to bug me.
Me too, I came into android with the impression that everything was supposed to be more open and free, well I definitely feel tied down when I'm in 5 bars 3g blue lettering, and I start an app and it goes white lettering. It's ridiculous. I didn't understand what Sprint was talking about in those commercials talking about other companies slowing your data down, I fully understand what they mean now. I like android a lot, but this pisses me off.
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Me too, I came into android with the impression that everything was supposed to be more open and free, well I definitely feel tied down when I'm in 5 bars 3g blue lettering, and I start an app and it goes white lettering. It's ridiculous. I didn't understand what Sprint was talking about in those commercials talking about other companies slowing your data down, I fully understand what they mean now. I like android a lot, but this pisses me off.
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I really think this has more to do with your location than a blanket policy. I'm in Boston and the coverage is great here and I never have any of these issues.
You guys are seeing data-dropping and 3G/4G hand-off issues (not throttling). I see this often on the west side of Indianapolis. I spoke to VZW about it today:
https://forums.motorola.com/posts/97c770a3e8
I have been reading a lot in to it and I think thats it. It falls inline with what I was told about the phone geting an update. (He said it could very well be ICS too, but that seems unlikely now.)
This is the last thing that I would ever think to go bad with a motorola phone. I could see the GPU or CPU sucking or the FC all over, but I ever would have guessed data droping. Now I am starting to wish I got the 720p HTC phone.
I have a high degree of confidence that the issues will be resolved and that Motorola will remain the best hardware choice going forward on USA CDMA networks.
Verizon will be cutting of all their customers from having Unlimited Data Plans, even if you were grandfathered in.
Verizon has gotten greedy!
Shame on you Shammo! (Fran Shammo Verizon's CFO)
We need to take action! We've done it before we can do it again.
Here is the score:
Won
Verizon Imposes $2 Credit Card processing fee. 50,000 people signed petition on change.org Verizon nixed that plan.
Lost
Verizon Imposes $30 "upgrade fee" for upgrading to a new phone
Verizon has stuck with that plan.
Score Thus far 1:1
Next line up,
Verizon will cut off all existing unlimited data customers from their Unlimited Data plans.
Lets make this a win! Sign the petition and share with everyone you know! Repost this everywhere! Let's get the word out!
Read the Article here: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...r-existing-subscribers/?tag=postrtcol;mostPop
Sign Petition here! http://www.change.org/petitions/sto...unlimited-data-plans-for-existing-subscribers
I wish those petitions mattered. I know that since they are not breaching your current contract nothing can be done. Most likely they are taking off unl data if you upgrade from 3g to 4g(sing a new contract with new terms) or switching to data family plans. All current 4g unl customers might stay on unl plan unless they upgrade their phones. The terms are not clear yet. That's why let's do not panic and wait and see what happens.
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The petitions do matter, they had a huge impact on reversing the proposal of the the $2 credit card fee. They had 50,000 signatures on change.org in just 24 hours it created buzz and a huge community back lash on Verizon.
Though the terms aren't clear yet, it's best not to wait. It's better to build up momentum now so are voices are heard than wait till it's too late.
Signed!
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How about bringing back unlimited for only on 4g, like our limit of data only counts when were using 3g.. 4gb is nice but lte can eat that in less then 8 hours if i try
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lol and I pay 60$ for 1GB of HSPA and unlimited calls/messages in Germany.. D
I'll sign it btw
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The petitions do matter, they had a huge impact on reversing the proposal of the the $2 credit card fee. They had 50,000 signatures on change.org in just 24 hours it created buzz and a huge community back lash on Verizon.
Though the terms aren't clear yet, it's best not to wait. It's better to build up momentum now so are voices are heard than wait till it's too late.
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Verizon dropped those charge because of FCC warning to open an investigation. Do you think that the petition will make any difference. You are wrong my friend. I wish you were right.
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I think they are only killing 3G plans not 4G.
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Do you need to supply them with your ssn? And they can't even spell privilege. Hmmm....
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lol. + 1
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Late to the party, but it's still important. Signed
I think there is some confusion about what is happening here. They're not killing unlimited data for those people who already have it. They're making it easier to lose it, not taking it away. If you update or receive a device at a reduced rate, you lose unlimited data. Just buy your devices off Craigslist or the XDA market like I've been doing for the past couple years. Always have a newer device and spend less money than you did signing a new contract.
And before any asks, YES you can switch between devices (4G --> 4G, 4G --> 3G, 3G --> 3G, and 3G --> 4G). As long as you don't buy the phone from Verizon at a reduced rate, your plan will be unaffected. I can confirm this from speaking to multiple Verizon reps in various positions/departments/pay grades. Every one said the same thing (which is rare) so this has obviously been a topic of discussion.
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They released the full details on it a couple weeks ago. You can keep your unlimited data, as long as you pay full retail for your phone (which I plan to do for the Razr HD). What I don't know is how they will handle it when certain people on a family plan upgrade their phone. Will they have their own "share" plan, or will each person on the plan get pushed into shared and lose their unlimited? I honestly have no idea, however, when my father or brother who are both on my account come time to extend their contract, I'm kicking them off my plan. They don't see the reasoning for spending 650+ on a new phone just to keep a data plan, but I do. I average 25-30 GB of data a month. That would far outweigh the cost of going over my $100 for 10 GB allowance on a shared plan, especially with other users on the plan. The $600-$700 bucks is a small price to pay upfront compared to the cost of overage charges. So in closing, no you won't lose your unlimited data, as long as you pay full retail. And unfortunately, no petition will change that.
For now, Sprint still offers new unlimited plans. I'll go there if Verizon cans unlimited. And, agreed... petitions don't do a thing. Verizon is responsible to their shareholders to keep the company profitable. They'll do what they do.
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They released the full details on it a couple weeks ago. You can keep your unlimited data, as long as you pay full retail for your phone (which I plan to do for the Razr HD). What I don't know is how they will handle it when certain people on a family plan upgrade their phone. Will they have their own "share" plan, or will each person on the plan get pushed into shared and lose their unlimited? I honestly have no idea, however, when my father or brother who are both on my account come time to extend their contract, I'm kicking them off my plan. They don't see the reasoning for spending 650+ on a new phone just to keep a data plan, but I do. I average 25-30 GB of data a month. That would far outweigh the cost of going over my $100 for 10 GB allowance on a shared plan, especially with other users on the plan. The $600-$700 bucks is a small price to pay upfront compared to the cost of overage charges. So in closing, no you won't lose your unlimited data, as long as you pay full retail. And unfortunately, no petition will change that.
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They force the entire family onto the shared data plan. I just got the Razr yesterday, and they put us onto the family shared plan with 6GB of data to share (we have 3 people with smartphones, so 2GB for each of us). This is actually cheaper for us than it was before with me on unlimited and the two others on 2GB plans, AND we get unlimited talk and text.
Also, you should stop using 25-30GB a month. I'm surprised Verizon hasn't severely throttled your data speeds, people like you who hog up so much data are the exact reason why Verizon is trying to force people onto limited and shared data plans. This video goes into detail about why so many carriers are switching to tiered plans. This link talks about how it could be fixed, but it's not really happening yet or soon. In short: people use up too much data and Verizon doesn't have enough spectrum for that. Back when they started offering unlimited, they were perfectly able to, as they didn't really have as large of a base as they do now. However, that made them more popular, and now with the move to 4G, people will be using more and more data. In short, that leads to Verizon not being able to handle all of that. To remedy this, they moved to tiered data, and now shared data.
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They force the entire family onto the shared data plan. I just got the Razr yesterday, and they put us onto the family shared plan with 6GB of data to share (we have 3 people with smartphones, so 2GB for each of us). This is actually cheaper for us than it was before with me on unlimited and the two others on 2GB plans, AND we get unlimited talk and text.
Also, you should stop using 25-30GB a month. I'm surprised Verizon hasn't severely throttled your data speeds, people like you who hog up so much data are the exact reason why Verizon is trying to force people onto limited and shared data plans. This video goes into detail about why so many carriers are switching to tiered plans. This link talks about how it could be fixed, but it's not really happening yet or soon. In short: people use up too much data and Verizon doesn't have enough spectrum for that. Back when they started offering unlimited, they were perfectly able to, as they didn't really have as large of a base as they do now. However, that made them more popular, and now with the move to 4G, people will be using more and more data. In short, that leads to Verizon not being able to handle all of that. To remedy this, they moved to tiered data, and now shared data.
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I understand what you are saying, but I use my phone as I wish, and as far as the "you people" comment, there are people who use well over 100GB a month. I stream music to and from work every day. I work for the Government, so Slacker.com is blocked at work. I use my phone to stream music at work as well. I download apps here and there, maybe a rom update on occasion, as well as watch netflix on my phone at night. I use my phone as I see fit. I do not feel like I am abusing what I have, nor do I feel like it is people like me who caused Verizon to go this route. Verizon moved to shared and tiered data for one reason and one reason only. The unlimited data business model wasn't making them as much money as they would like. They can and will make more money using this new model. You think one or two hundred, or even thousand people in a given area using 20 gigs of data a month are really "overloading" their spectrum? That is a drop in the hat compared to the hundreds of thousands of people who live in and around the Baltimore/DC metro area alone. The power users make up a very small percentage of the populous.
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I understand what you are saying, but I use my phone as I wish, and as far as the "you people" comment, there are people who use well over 100GB a month. I stream music to and from work every day. I work for the Government, so Slacker.com is blocked at work. I use my phone to stream music at work as well. I download apps here and there, maybe a rom update on occasion, as well as watch netflix on my phone at night. I use my phone as I see fit. I do not feel like I am abusing what I have, nor do I feel like it is people like me who caused Verizon to go this route. Verizon moved to shared and tiered data for one reason and one reason only. The unlimited data business model wasn't making them as much money as they would like. They can and will make more money using this new model. You think one or two hundred, or even thousand people in a given area using 20 gigs of data a month are really "overloading" their spectrum? That is a drop in the hat compared to the hundreds of thousands of people who live in and around the Baltimore/DC metro area alone. The power users make up a very small percentage of the populous.
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I realize that there are people that use far more than you. However, my argument isn't really just about the power users. Verizon wants to restrict them because they use so much, but everyone does contribute. Everyone having unlimited just wasn't working. If they kept unlimited, more and more power users would come along, which is exactly what was happening. Yes, it is about money, because they'd lose plenty of it from running out of spectrum and switching to other carriers, who would as a consequence run out of spectrum as well, and so forth until a solution was found. As a result, the high prices on data now for power users is to try and convince them to use less data. I'm pretty sure this is how they make up for the amounts of money that they're losing for the many people on lower data plans, because as I said, my bill is now lower monthly, and I'm sure it is for plenty of other family plans too.
Also, if you want to use blocked websites at work without using up so much data on your phone, set up a proxy or VPN that runs through your home network while you're at work. Though, thinking about it, you have a government job, so that probably wouldn't work over too well... but if you're already using your phone to get past that, I don't know how far you're willing to go to get it. Just a thought on how to use less data though
EDIT: And sorry if I sound rude at all, I'm trying not to. I'm just one in the minority that supports Verizon's decision to move to the shared data system... Reddit is good at convincing me about things.
I use my phone to stream pandora to and from work every day (1hr each way) and I barely hit 1gb in a month. I tie into the wifi whenever I'm. At work or at home, but still 30gb seems excessive foe streaming music. Just saying. Lol
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LOL....30 gb is a lot of porn.
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Just pre-ordered a GS3 using my upgrade discount. My unlimited data is intact. I called back after the pre-order to verify, and I was assured that my plan still has Unlimited Data, and will KEEP unlimited data until such time that I change plans.
The rumor that you lose Unlimited data when upgrading is just that, a rumor. According to both the CS rep, and the Customer Loyalty department, the only way to lose Unlimited data is to drop it from your account by changing plans, once you do that, you will not be able to get it back.
hope that helps some of you out there, worried about losing it.
I hope thats true, ive kept reading after the 28 you couldnt keep it if u upgrade through them...but i have another year left so im not tooo worried about it yet
No it is NOT a rumor and has been posted in Verizons official documents. What you were told was wrong.
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Just pre-ordered a GS3 using my upgrade discount. My unlimited data is intact. I called back after the pre-order to verify, and I was assured that my plan still has Unlimited Data, and will KEEP unlimited data until such time that I change plans.
The rumor that you lose Unlimited data when upgrading is just that, a rumor. According to both the CS rep, and the Customer Loyalty department, the only way to lose Unlimited data is to drop it from your account by changing plans, once you do that, you will not be able to get it back.
hope that helps some of you out there, worried about losing it.
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Fascinating. I hope they're telling you the truth.
Hate to say it, but it's a fluke that you didn't get your unlimited data yanked. Trust me, it's if you renew your contract. Period.
Sources: I've seen the internal documentation lol
I thought they said that anyone who pre ordered the GSIII would keep their unlimited data.
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lol i can 150% guarantee you'll lose it.
every phone i've started to upgrade since june 28th shows a big red box that opens saying ALERT: and then explains how the customer is now losing unlimited data, and gives us the box to check for 2 gigs for 30/mo. it WILL NOT let us proceed in the system without checking the new 2 gig box.
unlimited data is GONE as of june 28th.
As I understandi it, you have to be on a family plan to get bumped on an upgrade. Individual plans can still upgrade and keep unlimited.
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When I pre-ordered my Galaxy s3 it gave me the option of keeping my unlimited data. I also confirmed this with customer service who read me the memo that states pre-orders of the Galaxy Nexus before June 28th would be able to keep unlimited data.
I did use the upgrade on my wife's line just in case.
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lol i can 150% guarantee you'll lose it.
every phone i've started to upgrade since june 28th shows a big red box that opens saying ALERT: and then explains how the customer is now losing unlimited data, and gives us the box to check for 2 gigs for 30/mo. it WILL NOT let us proceed in the system without checking the new 2 gig box.
unlimited data is GONE as of june 28th.
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Verizon did say though that users with unlimited data who pre ordered the GSIII would get to keep unlimited data. That was the only way.
I hate Verizon for this though as my upgrade is November and they wouldn't let me move it forward.
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well for those that "guarantee" that I will lose it, I guess Ill just have to post a screen shot of my bill in a few weeks when the phone gets here.
I was -very- specific with 2 CS reps, and then Customer loyalty (the department that deals with you when you are about to cancel)
I told them that if I was going to lose my unlimited data plan then I was going to cancel my service. Both CS reps I spoke to assured me I would not lose it.
Not being satisfied with that response, I asked to speak to the customer loyalty department.
She assured me that they are not canceling unlimited data plans for anyone. Unless 3 people at VZW are lying to me, (and I will know soon enough) then I feel confident that my plan is in-tact.
I don't know what to tell you. I suppose I could record a phone call and then post the audio for you to hear? lol
I think there might be some miscommunication going on here. Are you on an individual plan? I think the new stuff mainly affects family plan members..
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Well if u bought it before the 28th, yea you'll keep it. If you bought it today n they still told you that then.great, im.on my own plan by myself, theres no reason for me to get bumped to family share plans because i cant share lol but glad u got to keep it
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I think there might be some miscommunication going on here. Are you on an individual plan? I think the new stuff mainly affects family plan members..
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I am on a 3 line, family plan. here.. ill just screen shot it
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I am on a 3 line, family plan. here.. ill just screen shot it
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Really huh? I don't think it counted the upgrade yet.
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Ya, hopefully it doesn't change once you activate it lol
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well like I said, I spoke to 3 people today about it. And unless all 3 of them are very very mis-informed, or lying to me. I will be fine.
I even told them about this forum lol, which is why I wanted to be sure. they all assured me that I would not lose it.
Honestly I dont care either way, I dont use my unlimited data to capacity, but it seems like everyone here is SURE that we will lose it on upgrade, but so far experience and conversation with the source both contradict those assumptions. Ill post again in 10 days
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well like I said, I spoke to 3 people today about it. And unless all 3 of them are very very mis-informed, or lying to me. I will be fine.
I even told them about this forum lol, which is why I wanted to be sure. they all assured me that I would not lose it.
Honestly I dont care either way, I dont use my unlimited data to capacity, but it seems like everyone here is SURE that we will lose it on upgrade, but so far experience and conversation with the source both contradict those assumptions. Ill post again in 10 days
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That's good. I really don't use more than 3 gigs ever either but I like to know I'm not limited to a number lol
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Well, good luck lol glad it works for someone
This is not specific to the Verizon Galaxy S4, but it is indeed the only reason I will preorder the Verizon version tomorrow (as opposed to switching to another carrier).
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I imagine that's the only scenario in which I would go with Verizon's GS4. Right now their most attractive offer is $70/month for 3G speed, 2GB of data, and unlimited talk/text. Pretty much worthless in my eyes.
Too bad we have to wait 30+ damn days longer than everyone else because they're morons.
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I imagine that's the only scenario in which I would go with Verizon's GS4. Right now their most attractive offer is $70/month for 3G speed, 2GB of data, and unlimited talk/text. Pretty much worthless in my eyes.
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Agreed, especially when T-Mobile offers unlimited everything for the same cost (technically cheaper because I know T-Mobile has smaller fees and taxes).
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Too bad we have to wait 30+ damn days longer than everyone else because they're morons.
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They're not morons. They know exactly what they're doing with those dates.
On a serious note though: Nevertheless, somehow still worth the wait just to have the number 1 wireless network in the country. Come on, is our impatience really worth getting mad at them?
I agree. Paying the extra $450 to get it off contract will MORE than pay itself back bay keeping the unlimited plan. I use my Vulkano Box to placeshift to my phone or tether to my tablet and watch on that. I'm using close to 8 GB a month. Nothing close to you, but enough to pay off contract and keep my plan is well worth it.
I have grandfathered unlimited for $63/month. But youre saying that Verizon gets the S4 a month later than everyone else? Don't know if I can wait that long.
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I have grandfathered unlimited for $63/month. But youre saying that Verizon gets the S4 a month later than everyone else? Don't know if I can wait that long.
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You're really willing to give up a carrier (especially arguably the best carrier service available at this time that you won't be able to get back ever again after losing it) all because you can't wait one more month for a phone?
If you're going to go down that route you should consider not wasting away that service of yours and selling your line to someone else to take over. Grandfathered Unlimited Data plans on Verizon are as good as gold right now.
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I have two unlimited data lines that I took over for free last year right before they took away the upgrades. I bought an iPhone 4s and managed to preorder the galaxy s3 because both lines were eligible for upgrdes at the time. I consider myself lucky. I tether and share with my ATT friends at work I burn like 30gb a month verizon has never bothered me. I'm thinking Bout going to t mobile though to cut down on my bill and get gsm nexus phones
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Wow, I didn't even know it was possible to purchase Grandfather plans from other people. Kind of tempting actually, but I'd hold off until I had more scratch. As it is, I'm buying the GS4 for full retail+accessories+new monthly data plan. Good to know it's an open option though.
Wow, Assuming that is mostly streaming video? I don't think I watch that much video on my HTPC a month at 8 to 12 GB per movie, lol. Must be nice having that kind of free time on your hands.
I tether to my gaming laptop to play online games I think it burns a lot of data. Also I use xbmc to stream movies and do some Torrenting. I might skip out on gs4 and wait to see a phone with that snapdragon 800 chip I'm very interested in the quickcharge 2.0 it has that they decided to leave out on the 600 sadly
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My friend has a grandfathered unlimited data plan but to upgrade to LTE he has to sacrifice it. What's up with that?
Verizon is trying to kill off unlimited data users and forcing them to pay $50 for 1gb
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My friend has a grandfathered unlimited data plan but to upgrade to LTE he has to sacrifice it. What's up with that?
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Specific rule Verizon enforced. 3G to 4G basically means new contract to them even if you buy the phone full price they have to "upgrade" your plan as well to allow you to connect to LTE: Details Here
Details on how to keep unlimited: Link Here
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Specific rule Verizon enforced. 3G to 4G basically means new contract to them even if you buy the phone full price they have to "upgrade" your plan as well to allow you to connect to LTE: Details Here
Details on how to keep unlimited: Link Here
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So the link above is good info, but is there any more detail missing? I've got unlimited LTE on my Galaxy Nexus and plan on pre-ordering the S4 tomorrow at full retail 649.99. Is there anything to be cautious of when placing the order?
I shouldn't have to change plans or anything, but is there anyway I could screw this up?
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Specific rule Verizon enforced. 3G to 4G basically means new contract to them even if you buy the phone full price they have to "upgrade" your plan as well to allow you to connect to LTE: Details Here
Details on how to keep unlimited: Link Here
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Does that mean I lose my unlimited either way since I only have 3g right now, even if I buy without a new contract?
My sister in law went from the droid x to the Verizon galaxy nexus last month and did NOT lose unlimited. She just went and picked up a Sims card and popped the ***** in. Took maybe 2 minutes for the phone to be fully functional. Her plan wasn't changed at all. If you take upgrade price you will lose it
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So the link above is good info, but is there any more detail missing? I've got unlimited LTE on my Galaxy Nexus and plan on pre-ordering the S4 tomorrow at full retail 649.99. Is there anything to be cautious of when placing the order?
I shouldn't have to change plans or anything, but is there anyway I could screw this up?
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Pretty much it's simple. To avoid losing your unlimited data you have to meet the below requirements:
Be already on an LTE device with an unlimited data plan
Purchase your new device all full retail or on the new device payment plan (dividing full price into 12 monthly payments)
Avoid using an "upgrade" on the line you have unlimited data on at all costs!!
Try to avoid making any little other unrelated changes in your service (you never want to give them a excuse to force you over to tiered)
If you have other lines that can upgrade (like family plans) you can use their upgrade to get the device at the cheaper price and then just swap your microSIM card into it
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Does that mean I lose my unlimited either way since I only have 3g right now, even if I buy without a new contract?
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Unfortunately it appears to be the case. But who knows, maybe if you yell loudly enough and threaten to leave Verizon unless they can confirm they will keep your unlimited data, maybe someone will be able to do some "behind-the-scenes magic" and transition over for you. But in all reality, without a serious fight for it I wouldn't count on keeping it if you upgrade even at full price.
Well if I spend $650 on the phone, I damn well will scream at them if they tell me I still lose unlimited. I'm going to have to try to find out before I do anything I guess, not like I have anything else to do for 36 damn days.
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I tether to my gaming laptop to play online games I think it burns a lot of data. Also I use xbmc to stream movies and do some Torrenting. I might skip out on gs4 and wait to see a phone with that snapdragon 800 chip I'm very interested in the quickcharge 2.0 it has that they decided to leave out on the 600 sadly
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See I guess there it is. I am never really in a situation anymore where I would tether my laptop. Our laptop is four years old and basically sits at the end of our kitchen table. We are pretty much 100% tablets for mobile computing now. I don't have time for in depth games much anymore. Work/gym/kids eats all my time. And if I am going to sit and "do computer", I am going to do it in the study in a proper chair with a proper keyboard, a big monitor, a mouse, and fast tower pc. Laptops have been squeezed out of my personal life by the superior overall experience of a real desktop set up and the superior portability of a tablet. Don't get me wrong...my work computer is a laptop, but I don't see much need for one for personal stuff the way my life is set up now.
I guess if I were a single twenty-something it would be different, but really, I don't have much of a need for big data mobile computing.