Hi there
I'm in the process of needing to upgrade to a new phone and have narrowed my choices down to the Galaxy S II or the Galaxy Nexus as they are the best phones in this price bracket. The main problem I'm currently having choosing between the two is the hardware advantages of the S II vs the software advantages of the GN.
The main thing holding me back from purchasing the S II is that I'm not sure if it will get the jelly bean update promptly seeing as it took 6 months for the SII to get ICS.
However this disadvantage would be nullified if there would be custom roms that would support the S II for jelly bean shortly after it is released on the GN without having to wait for the official support to arrive for the SII. Would these custom roms be released just as promptly as the jelly bean custom roms for the GN? Also how stable would those SII roms be compared to the ones for the GN?
I'm also curious as to how custom roms based on AOSP work in this way. Wouldn't developers just be able to just take the source code from google and apply it to either the GN or SII and have the custom rom released in the same amount of time for either phone or is it simply faster to develop a rom on the GN?
Basically as I see myself using a custom rom on either device if the SII would have a custom rom based on jelly bean released in pretty much the same time as one for the GN that is just as stable, I see no reason why the SII isn't a better choice over the Nexus in all areas and am looking to confirm if this is true. Also if I am to use a custom rom this would mean that I wouldn't get the prompt OTA updates from google either which defeats a lot of the point of the GN. Looking to confirm this point also.
The reason why JB support, and thus the attractiveness of the GN, is such a concern for me is that I believe a lot of the value in the phone you pay for is in how up to date it stays. Where hardware on a phone remains constant, if a phone can keep up to date with its software it will never age in this respect and keep getting better for the money you pay.
Thanks for your help guys!
bumluffa said:
The main thing holding me back from purchasing the S II is that I'm not sure if it will get the jelly bean update promptly seeing as it took 6 months for the SII to get ICS.
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no-one knows, unanswerable question
However this disadvantage would be nullified if there would be custom roms that would support the S II for jelly bean shortly after it is released on the GN without having to wait for the official support to arrive for the SII. Would these custom roms be released just as promptly as the jelly bean custom roms for the GN? Also how stable would those SII roms be compared to the ones for the GN?
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probably but as JB isnt out, we dont know...
Plus, questions belong in Q&A not the general section
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Plus, questions belong in Q&A not the general section
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Sorry! Would a mod be able to remove this please or shall I go ahead and create a new post there? (Kinda a newb to all of this)
Also, my question is more along the lines of how roms actually work. Is it that e.g. google releases a generic ICS source code that works for all devices and the OEMs take that code and add their own skins to it where devs here can take that code too make a custom rom? In that case how come it still took months before the first ICS custom roms were available on the SII? Or is it that the custom roms have to be based off a device specific ICS that google/OEM releases to the devices which come months later after they are released on the nexus which would explain why it takes much longer for devices other than nexus phones to receive the updates?
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Hey,
So I currently have a Motorola Atrix that I love but am selling today. I want to switch to the i777 because of better future development. The locked bootloader that the Atrix had at launch didn't help matters, although we now have CM7, MIUI, and some CM7-based ROMs. However, how far behind is the i777 from i9100 development? In other words, if the i9100 got stable CM9, for example, how long would it take us to port that?
Also, how long do you think strong development (like I see there is now) will last? For example, Captivate development is still going strong (considering they have multiple builds of ICS). Will it be anything like that?
I'm only wondering because there is a somewhat hefty price jump between a used Atrix and a used i777 which I am willing and able to make, but only if development will be strong for at least another year. How likely do you think that will be?
Just as a note, I'm not asking you guys if I should buy the i777. I'm just asking what you think development will be like a year from now, and how close we are to the i9100 development. I already read about the hardware differences between the i777 and i9100 (NFC, FM radio, home button, etc.)
Thanks a lot,
vinay427
Dev community is at about same level that the captivate was when it came out.
As for i9100 port of cm9 or any other 4.0 roms it's a matter of kernel sources being available. I've messed with kernels recently, but entropy would be the brains for that job.
Anyhow, going from your current phone to this phone will be a night and day difference.
Running ICScrewD ROM
jivy26 said:
Dev community is at about same level that the captivate was when it came out.
As for i9100 port of cm9 or any other 4.0 roms it's a matter of kernel sources being available. I've messed with kernels recently, but entropy would be the brains for that job.
Anyhow, going from your current phone to this phone will be a night and day difference.
Running ICScrewD ROM
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Once kernel sources come out for ICS, we should be able to get most functions ported in a week or two. The main issue is the audio libraries - we might need some workarounds for call audio.
The other question is whether Samsung breaks the modem interface - if ICS requires new modems we might have a problem. However at least on the Infuse, modem interfaces didn't change at all from Froyo to Gingerbread.
This means that we won't be able to do much with ICS leaks for the I9100 though - we won't be able to do much until official kernel sources come out with the official release.
Yes, ICS poses some challenges for the devs here. We will get ICS through a i9100 port months, if not quarters, before we see leaks or anything official from att.
As far as gingerbread, any i9100 ROM should run on the i777. There is a "Hellraiser" package that will replace the appropriate files to make the ROM work fine.
As you said the captivate is still going strong, the i777 is the next captivate. It will be the best flagship Android phone on att until a Galaxy S III version comes over. (Unless we get a note by some miracle. Also the Galaxy Nexus could be around the corner.) If they follow the same cycle, thats fall 2012 for the att version. We can only hope att meddles with that version as little as they did the i777. I would bet there is another half upgrade between here and then (like the infuse), but, I doubt it will pull significant amounts of devs from this phone.
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Ok, thanks a lot guys! There's about a $120 jump from the i777 to the i9100, and I simply can't justify that. I considered the Skyrocket (as does everyone..) and removed it from my list due to a certain lack of development, which is why I was switching in the first place. Same with the Vivid and Nitro HD. There seems to be the most hope for the i777 out of the current AT&T line. Look for me on the i777 forums soon (hopefully)!
I was wondering if our beloved Galaxy S2 will receive Android 4.1 Jellybean officially? I'm pretty sure it will be available through Cyanogenmod or whoever, but will it also be a Kies update, and if so, is it gonna take all the carriers ages to implement it? Personally I'm always on one of the neweste CM Nightly builds and I've no complaints, it just works, which is kindof what I want the phone to do. I saw a youtube video of ICS vs Jellybean in terms of laggines, "Project Butter" aims to make the whole Android experience smoother and faster. What I'd like to know is if our now aging Exynos SOC supports all the things their putting into the OS, for example their doing Vsync and tripple buffering. All I know about those is that I enable them in games, no real idea what they actually do. Is it as simple as a software upgrade or must the hardware first support is?
Ask Samsung.
Yes it might come next year! But frankly I think 4.04 will be last.
No, no 4.0.4 neither
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1731836&highlight=4+0+4
sikuland said:
No, no 4.0.4 neither
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1731836&highlight=4+0+4
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You believe that?.... The source is not reliable at all.
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Can't we get Jellybean for our Galaxy S2 this year?
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I don't see a point in Vsync. I've yet to see a game uncorrectly display an image.
Since triple-buffering is new, I guess our phone has double. I would like triple, and have it as smooth and as fast as the iPhone, but I don't want to lower my battery life on it. Plus I'd expect overheating since it takes two pieces of hardware to process am image.
"When it launches in mid-July, Jelly Bean will be available for the Nexus 7, Galaxy Nexus, Motorola Xoom, and Samsung Galaxy S2. "
http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2012/06/28/android-jelly-bean-to-streamline-updates-for-all/
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"When it launches in mid-July, Jelly Bean will be available for the Nexus 7, Galaxy Nexus, Motorola Xoom, and Samsung Galaxy S2. "
http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2012/06/28/android-jelly-bean-to-streamline-updates-for-all/
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Wow i hope it will be true..can't wait for jelly bean..
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stshhh said:
"When it launches in mid-July, Jelly Bean will be available for the Nexus 7, Galaxy Nexus, Motorola Xoom, and Samsung Galaxy S2. "
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Random blog no-one's heard of makes a claim without mention of source? Excellent. Sounds like all the evidence needed.
if we get jellybean, i just hope they fix most of the bugs and atleast optimize the battery :\
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Random blog no-one's heard of makes a claim without mention of source? Excellent. Sounds like all the evidence needed.
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Don't lose hope my friend
More detailed information from GSM Arena:
http://www.gsmarena.com/google_announces_android_41_jelly_bean-news-4451.php
I saw this as well:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/357404/20120628/android-jelly-bean-galaxy-s3-htc-one.htm
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Just wait for the next CM-rom, then we will get the great taste of jellybean!
FYI, there is a discussion thread about JB that has been open in the General section since yesterday here. (making this thread superfluous)
I'm pretty sure we will get 4.1 because if Galaxy Nexus S will get this.. Why shouldn't we get this? :victory:
i think we may get 4.0.4 but i verry much doubt that we will get jb
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FYI, there is a discussion thread about JB that has been open in the General section since yesterday here. (making this thread superfluous)
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I wouldn't say this thread is entirely superfluous; here the discussion is focused solely on whether or not the Galaxy S2 will get JB, while the other thread also includes comments on the features of it.
If you came looking to find out if/when we were getting it, where do you think you would find the answer more quickly?
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I wouldn't say this thread is entirely superfluous; here the discussion is focused solely on whether or not the Galaxy S2 will get JB, while the other thread also includes comments on the features of it.
If you came looking to find out if/when we were getting it, where do you think you would find the answer more quickly?
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From Samsung, actually.
Have a One X+ arriving tomorrow. First Android phone. Have general knowledge about Custom ROMs but couple questions regarding the options now and future for this device.
Comes with Android 4.1 and Sense 4.5. Obviously like many Power Users, I would love to have Android 4.2 be realize it was just released to AOSP a couple days ago.
Will any ROM for One X work with One X+ since they are essentially the same device, just faster clock speed and bigger battery?
Is there a Cleanrom with Android 4.1 and Sense 4.5? And if there is, or will be, are the benefits significant enough to make it worth installing? I'm not doing gaming or anything. So performance isn't a big concern. Stability and battery life are really my main concerns.
Based on past experience, how long probably until there is a Jelly Bean 4.2 stable ROM for this device?
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Have a One X+ arriving tomorrow. First Android phone. Have general knowledge about Custom ROMs but couple questions regarding the options now and future for this device.
Comes with Android 4.1 and Sense 4.5. Obviously like many Power Users, I would love to have Android 4.2 be realize it was just released to AOSP a couple days ago.
Will any ROM for One X work with One X+ since they are essentially the same device, just faster clock speed and bigger battery?
No, the HOX+ has a different kernal so will need to be a HOX+ specific device. Stay tuned as if you have an ATT USA version you might need a specific rom for this carrier too, we dont' know yet.
Is there a Cleanrom with Android 4.1 and Sense 4.5? And if there is, or will be, are the benefits significant enough to make it worth installing? I'm not doing gaming or anything. So performance isn't a big concern. Stability and battery life are really my main concerns.
It is Sense 4+, not sure where you read 4.5? Yes there are custom roms here, have you not checked the sub-forum???
Based on past experience, how long probably until there is a Jelly Bean 4.2 stable ROM for this device?
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Probably a few weeks, maybe a month, who knows since you can't even root your device yet if your on ATT USA??? Patience my friend, patience and in the mean time enjoy your device out of the box as it already comes amazing. By the time you have the device fully figured out i'm sure a Root and 4.2 Clean Rom will be available by then. Don't get ahead of yourself bud
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Probably a few weeks, maybe a month, who knows since you can't even root your device yet if your on ATT USA??? Patience my friend, patience and in the mean time enjoy your device out of the box as it already comes amazing. By the time you have the device fully figured out i'm sure a Root and 4.2 Clean Rom will be available by then. Don't get ahead of yourself bud
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I just ordered one as well. Is there anyone currently working on either a MIUI Rom or a vanilla Android 4.2 rom for this device? I'd gladly donate if someone did.
Thanks
It look like we might get 4.2.1 for the note. i know it not the I717 but if they get the update to it i think we will too.
"Just because use the Samsung GALAXY Note II just about out specs the original in every way doesn't mean that no one loves the poor Samsung GALAXY Note. In fact, Android 4.2.1 has leaked for the 5 incher and software version N7000XXLSA happens to be the first Jelly Bean update ever leaked for the device. So far, Samsung hasn't included much S-Pen functionality with the Jelly Bean source code, something that is sure to be addressed before the software update becomes official.
It should be noted that unlike the N7000XXLSA leak revealed by Xda, which came from a dump of a person's device, a source for SamMobile says that the version of the update that we are discussing came right from Samsung's servers. All you need to do is flash the update with Odin and you're updated. Again, the issue with the S-Pen would concern us a little and you might want to wait for the official OTA update which is supposed to arrive late this year or early next year.
Among the cool changes included with the update are Project Butter (or is it "I can't believe it's not Project Butter?"), Multiwindows, customized notification panel, Pop-up Play, Smart Rotation and Google Now."
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It look like we might get 4.2.1 for the note. i know it not the I717 but if they get the update to it i think we will too.
"Just because use the Samsung GALAXY Note II just about out specs the original in every way doesn't mean that no one loves the poor Samsung GALAXY Note. In fact, Android 4.2.1 has leaked for the 5 incher and software version N7000XXLSA happens to be the first Jelly Bean update ever leaked for the device. So far, Samsung hasn't included much S-Pen functionality with the Jelly Bean source code, something that is sure to be addressed before the software update becomes official.
It should be noted that unlike the N7000XXLSA leak revealed by Xda, which came from a dump of a person's device, a source for SamMobile says that the version of the update that we are discussing came right from Samsung's servers. All you need to do is flash the update with Odin and you're updated. Again, the issue with the S-Pen would concern us a little and you might want to wait for the official OTA update which is supposed to arrive late this year or early next year.
Among the cool changes included with the update are Project Butter (or is it "I can't believe it's not Project Butter?"), Multiwindows, customized notification panel, Pop-up Play, Smart Rotation and Google Now."
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1000 post on same topic of" we could get it cuz international did"
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1000 post on same topic of" we could get it cuz international did"
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That was a TypeO they meant 4.1.2 and also only for N7000 not I717
I'm looking for a new ROM that will be relatively trouble-free, but is also actively supported/updated.
I love the UX/features/philosophy of SlimBeam ROM on my Note, but it does suffer from some instabilities.
Unfortunately, SlimBean for the I717 hasn't been updated in ages and is no longer in their list of supported devices. (Is it possible to run ROMs written for the Note N7000 on a Note I717?)
The I717 also does not support the newest version of CyanogenMod.
I've read thru the ROMs in the Development forums, but does anybody have info on which are still active projects and which are dead ends?
Any recommendations (for or against particular roms)?
Thanks.
Go to the AT&T Galaxy Note I717 Android Development section for what you are looking for.
cheshyre said:
I'm looking for a new ROM that will be relatively trouble-free, but is also actively supported/updated.
I love the UX/features/philosophy of SlimBeam ROM on my Note, but it does suffer from some instabilities.
Unfortunately, SlimBean for the I717 hasn't been updated in ages and is no longer in their list of supported devices. (Is it possible to run ROMs written for the Note N7000 on a Note I717?)
The I717 also does not support the newest version of CyanogenMod.
I've read thru the ROMs in the Development forums, but does anybody have info on which are still active projects and which are dead ends?
Any recommendations (for or against particular roms)?
Thanks.
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i build slim 4.2.2 on a regular basis, your clearly looking at the 4.1.2 version in original development
all the releases i put out see regular updates actually, slim/pk/chamelon/supernexus ect..
edit: and your looking at the wrong place for cm, quincyatt is very well up in the mix with the newest cm releases, get.cm <-- thats where you find the releases
Anytime you choose a "custom" rom there's going to be bugs, or glitches, or random reboots in my opinion. But you're also going to get cool features! You'll have the ability to customize you phone more with custom roms. So it's a trade off. Only you can decide what you can live with and without. If you're looking for custom roms the dev usually updates the title with the last time he updated it. You can then read over the first post and find out what's included feature wise. Very very rarely will you find a complete list of bugs the rom has. You have to surf thru posts to see complaints, and kudos. If you're looking for stability, the i717 got an 4.1.2 JB update a week or so ago. It's the most stable thing out in my opinion. You can give it root access, debloat it, and enjoy a smooth rom if that's what you're after.
Oh and its not possible to run N7000 roms as far as I know. I'm pretty sure you'll brick your device.
I hope that info helps ya out a lil.
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i build slim 4.2.2 on a regular basis, your clearly looking at the 4.1.2 version in original development
all the releases i put out see regular updates actually, slim/pk/chamelon/supernexus ect..
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Thanks.
I'm still on Slim-i717-3.1.0-OFFICIAL.
Do you know if 4.2.1 stable 1.0 is available anywhere for the I717?
And how stable are the 4.2.2 builds? (I've spent enough years in sw development to be cautious - Mark Twain once wrote "People who love sausage and respect the law should never watch either one being made," and the same definitely applies to software)
In my opinion the 4.2 based custom ROMs are way my stable then the 4.1.2 based ( the exception is 4.1.2 based stock ROMs) used to get a reboot every couple hours . 4.2 rarely do I see one. If you are looking for stable but don't really care about all the frills try Jamie's super nexus the first build is bullet proof pure asop like your phone is a nexus doesn't see a lot of updates but its stable.
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