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WTF happened in Court on Friday?
Apple over HTC in patent law case?
Check out this insane ruling...
http://www.dailytech.com/Apples+Plo...+HTC+Nears+Fruition+With+Win/article22173.htm
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Goodbye competition, hello Apple monopoly.
The violated patents are rather ambiguous, and now they could sue anyone that makes a phone or really any piece of technology today for the same patent infringement.
Wow apple is a ****ing disgrace, ill never buy a product from them
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apple's scared and doing everything they can to slow down HTC ..
not sure why moto samsung and every other major phone makers don't join sides and sue apple ..
the 2 patents in questions are a joke from what i understand both patents would mean that pretty much every phone tv etc etc would infringed on these 2 patents
WOW what a ****$n joke id rather not have a phone then buy an apple product good move apple take away the whole "choice" thing from the consumer
Every great company falls. Apple is focused on litigation. Sounds like a great strategy to provide a stable growth projection for the future.
Wait till they piss off the wrong Developers/Hackers.
This patent bull**** has gotten out of hand. Google is letting all the manufacturers fend for themselves, but, Google has a huge stake in their success so I'd imagine Google must have something up their sleeve...perhaps that's a strategic ****-ton of 'nothing', we already know Google dislikes software patents to begin with. I'm not such a huge fan of them either. It ranks right up there with patenting business models. You can't copyright an algorithm so why a business model or a bit of code? How does the financial sector handle this inability to patent algorithms? The old fashioned way, fncking secrecy.
It's not like code was stolen. What if the technical and Intellectual Property landscape was like this in the early 80's when Compaq reverse engineered the IBM-PC BIOS?
So, you can reverse engineer a hardware/software interface and identically duplicate functionality of a multi-patented device for the purpose of 'compatibility' for commercial sale....but you cannot come to the obvious conclusion that a piece of data you would commonly interact with on a communications device would be something you would like the device to be aware of and know how to handle?
Apple is going down hard. I don't blame them for fighting but that smug prick Jobs has a whole lot to say about "stealing our ideas" that sounds like hardcore trolling more than anything.
Absurd. This will only slow down Android if it is found non-obvious. Though to me, a laymen in IP law, it seems pretty obvious that these are, well, obvious ideas. Sure, nobody thought of them before 1996 cuz we didn't have technology capable enough to deal with the things they are now dealing with...and a phone environment that is also a calender, gps, networked communications device would most certainly qualify as a venue for such ideas to be more than obvious to implement.
/rant
Htc will pay apple to piss off. It'll cost less than not selling phones
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nice read here
http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/cell-phones/apple-case-against-htc-could-fall-apart/12167.html
Perfect scenario for the phrase: Money talks, bullshiv walks.
Gibsonusa said:
Htc will pay apple to piss off. It'll cost less than not selling phones
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Nope. Apple does not want to license. That's why they want to block all shipments. HTC could afford the licensing...hell, they are already paying microsoft for some strange reason....
From what I understand, the patents in question are quite old and vague. HTC is appealing the decision and I am sure this will get overturned.
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From what I understand, the patents in question are quite old and vague. HTC is appealing the decision and I am sure this will get overturned.
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yea 20 years old if i read correct
When you are loosing the battle, cry foul!
This will not hold.
Apple has lost the same type of suits before and those will bear on this case where the facts are the same.
This makes me think of those sci fi/futuristic movies where the whole world is run by an evil corporation. APPLE!
Fortress 1/2
Wall-E
Robocop
This isn't really a final ruling on the conflict. There are still many open suits for both parties. But either way it sucks for android.
http://thisismynext.com/2011/07/15/preliminary-ruling-finds-htc-infringes-apple-patents/
A good read. I always like his take on patent issues because he has some background in the area.
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Considering the influence HTC has with android, if this really happens they will just build a plant here in the states to make said phones, which would surely piss off apple and our phones American made.
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Where can I apply for a job?
Jobs is continually and habitually making a fool of himself in his quest to keep measuring his own penis.
Mike
I find it funny because one of the patents to put it in simple terms deals with receiving telephone numbers and email addresses as clickable links in texts and other such data streams and I'm sure I was able to do this on my winmo device before the iPhone came out. And I'm sure apple wasn't the first to have a handheld device that can make and receive wireless telephone calls. Other patent owners need to start suing apple first. Or stop licensing to them.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev3rUQMvyhU
In an attempt to distance themselves from the increasingly volatile Carrier IQ situation, we’ve been told that Sprint has ordered that all of their hardware partners remove the Carrier IQ software from Sprint devices as soon as possible.
This comes after a number of dramatic turns over the past few weeks. During that time Carrier IQ was called a lot of things, from a harmless mobile intelligence company to a vicious rootkit designed to steal our personal data and sell it to the ne’er-do-wells. In my opinion, Carrier IQ is a company that provides a service that benefits everyone with a cellphone by giving information to the carriers about when their network has problems that affects our service. Unfortunately, this software was installed in such a manner that, when discovered, there was a significant panic. This is understandable because the software was forced onto unsuspecting users with no real oversight to speak of.
That panic was made worse when the company responded by trying to silence the person who discovered the software, instead of trying to explain what was actually happening. So here we sit, a month away from a Senate hearing on whether or not Carrier IQ is doing anything illegal, on top of a barrage of lawsuits against all of the companies involved.
Sources at HTC have told us that, as a result of the lawsuits targeting Carrier IQ, Sprint, and other CIQ-using OEMs, Sprint has asked all of their partners to get rid of Carrier IQ. Starting with the high-volume and high-profile devices on the network, each of the OEM’s has been asked to quickly release binaries that do not contain Carrier IQ so that over-the-air updates can be pushed to those devices as quickly as possible. The eventual plan is to remove Carrier IQ from all of the devices on Sprint’s network.
This is being done as soon as possible and, according to our source at HTC, anyone who is working with Sprint in testing labs have even had their vacation time over the holidays seriously restricted. No official rollout plan for these updates has been devised, but it has been made clear to everyone involved that this change needs to happen soon. I would assume that we will see updates for devices including the iPhone, HTC Evo 3D, and the Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch before 2012.
At this time, Carrier IQ, Samsung, and Apple all refused to comment on any developments in this matter.
Some may view this as a classic “too little, too late” situation. Sprint waited until there were lawsuits to start removing Carrier IQ from their network, where previously they had been defending their use of the mobile intelligence service. This could possibly even be seen as an admission of guilt, as them removing the software in an attempt to make amends for what they have been caught doing.
Even so, Sprint could have just as easily made a public statement announcing that they were turning off the servers that collected the information, pending the results of the trial and the Senate inquiry. At that point a simple test from any of the security researchers that have gotten involved would confirm Sprint’s cancellation of CIQ and they wouldn’t have to involve every manufacturer on their network.
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http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile...trip-carrier-iq-from-their-hardware-20111216/
TrevE > CIQ
Nuff said!!!
Another victory!!!! TrevE is forever my hero!
While this is nice and all the article seems to be lacking some knowledge in itself on some things. mainly the fact it included iPhone in the list of devices that would be getting updates. I'm pretty sure Apple commented on this long ago stating they do not use CarrierIQ in their devices anymore at all.
And I can't really see Sprint able to force Apple to load it on the device either...
Awsome just hope we didn't make it worst for sprint
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Awsome just hope we didn't make it worst for sprint
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I just had to laugh I mean Sprints network already sucks how could it possibly get worse. CarrierIQ is not going to fix 4G or even poor 3G speeds due to network congestion. They know they have a problem doubt they need an app to confirm it.
Can you say Pwned! TrevE is the man!
Tons of idiots. Ciq is made to learn how you do things, so they can make it better. Yet, you complain about things your phone can't do. How the **** are they supposed to know what you want if you don't tell them? Oh yeah HTC is supposed to troll the forums and sees that one person doesnt like sense and remove it bc one person doesn't like it. Or they could use ciq, see that 50% of people who have sense, use a different launcher and then rethink their approach. You guys are pathetic.
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bloodrain954 said:
Tons of idiots. Ciq is made to learn how you do things, so they can make it better. Yet, you complain about things your phone can't do. How the **** are they supposed to know what you want if you don't tell them? Oh yeah HTC is supposed to troll the forums and sees that one person doesnt like sense and remove it bc one person doesn't like it. Or they could use ciq, see that 50% of people who have sense, use a different launcher and then rethink their approach. You guys are pathetic.
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How are we pathetic..... Ciq is the one that is pathetic. They had the chance to explain what CIQ does but instead they try to silence TrevE. On top of that they install CIQ without even letting you know.
I understand that it's probably used to make phones and services better, but they should at least give you a disclaimer, an opt out option, and an explanation of what CIQ does and maybe then so many people wouldn't be angry at CIQ.
I think the *****ing and complaining is like he said...the fact they covered it up, tried to silence someone. Not that its probably bad software but bad business ethics. Agreed?
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bloodrain954 said:
Tons of idiots. Ciq is made to learn how you do things, so they can make it better. Yet, you complain about things your phone can't do. How the **** are they supposed to know what you want if you don't tell them? Oh yeah HTC is supposed to troll the forums and sees that one person doesnt like sense and remove it bc one person doesn't like it. Or they could use ciq, see that 50% of people who have sense, use a different launcher and then rethink their approach. You guys are pathetic.
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Oh please, its fine that you are ok with invasive measures that reduce your personal security, freedom, and privacy but criticizing other's opinions based on your lack of knowledge is crap. When your life is ruined because data isn't protected and you didn't authorize or get the choice in giving that info up I hope you remember your BS logic that the risk is fine and dandy because they were "trying" to gather data to improve things.
So naive, yeah they want to mine and transfer data to make your life better. Wrong, bottom line is the almighty dollar. They make millions doing what they do, they could give two ****s less about you and your experience
+1 so true
Information was still being withdrawn from my phone without my permission. Individual info should never be given out for free nor taken without consent.
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CIQ might have done the right thing collecting error logs on the phone to troubleshoot. But installing it on devices without user permission or any kind of disclosure of the software being install is just "unethical".
P.S. the reason why they are being sued was due to unethical practices.
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The fact that it was capable of reading texts, emails, URLs, passwords is what the problem is. We're just supposed to believe they aren't using it for that? Why the hell is it even possible to do so then?!
Cuss all you want..you can be a tool. I'll go with the crowd that wants it gone.
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Oh please, its fine that you are ok with invasive measures that reduce your personal security, freedom, and privacy but criticizing other's opinions based on your lack of knowledge is crap. When your life is ruined because data isn't protected and you didn't authorize or get the choice in giving that info up I hope you remember your BS logic that the risk is fine and dandy because they were "trying" to gather data to improve things.
So naive, yeah they want to mine and transfer data to make your life better. Wrong, bottom line is the almighty dollar. They make millions doing what they do, they could give two ****s less about you and your experience
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LOL! When my life is ruined? They aren't stealing credit card and social security numbers, they are just reporting what apps and hardware is used during the day. Huge difference. Yeah, CIQ didn't do the right thing with the lawsuit, boo hoo life goes on.
You know people at your local bank track everything you do, have access to your credit cards and social security number. They can tell you where you've spent your money, what you bought, and all your personal information, yet nobody cries about that. But its a huge deal to report to Sprint that your playing angry birds at 1pm.
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You know people at your local bank track everything you do, have access to your credit cards and social security number. They can tell you where you've spent your money, what you bought, and all your personal information, yet nobody cries about that. But its a huge deal to report to Sprint that your playing angry birds at 1pm.
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That's because by choosing the bank you opt into that, and go in knowing that they can track your money. And for the record they don't know what you bought, just that you spent so much money here and so much money there. The cc from the bank gets an amount taken not an itemization of funds spent per transaction. CIQ was added without knowledge, why can't you grasp the differences?
http://allthingsd.com/20111201/carr...monitors-service-messages-ignores-other-data/
Learn what it really does before you jump on the zomg my personal info is compromised!!1! Bandwagon.
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bloodrain954 said:
http://allthingsd.com/20111201/carr...monitors-service-messages-ignores-other-data/
Learn what it really does before you jump on the zomg my personal info is compromised!!1! Bandwagon.
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First of all I never said anything about personal info. I don't like how it was forced onto us without control. Second, just because they say (AFTER they were found out about) that their software does do anything with personal data doesn't mean it's true. The US Gov said there were weapons of mass destruction and we should go to war, there wasn't and we were there for oil only. Don't believe something especially when the company has their back against the wall trying to fish their way out.
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The US Gov said there were weapons of mass destruction and we should go to war, there wasn't and we were there for oil only.
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Iraq war is a great analogy for Carrier IQ....
I don't know if anyone has seen the new post made on portal but I intend to send this to all the Apple Exec's and relevant people I can find.
We should all send this to the same people to let them know what we think.
Dear Apple,
Your ENTIRE organization lacks morals and free market competition basics, and as such, you are not worthy of having the glory that you now posses. While you may have revolutionized the world as we know it with very well crafted marketing campaigns and some good ideas, you are far from being a true innovator in the field of… anything. Just think for one second about the LEAPS in technology that you would have accomplished, should you have invested in R&D a quarter of the money you spend into advertising and marketing. Then, you would have something worth portraying as a technological wonder, something that would likely be untouchable by others. Something truly genuine that you can call your own, and at the end of the day you could look at with pride. What you have right now is a bunch of reinvented wheels, most of which don’t do much more than other wheels out there.
Redefining concepts and ideas is not what makes a company great; coming up with new concepts is. HTC and other major OEMS have often been in the vanguard by innovating with their products, adding new features, rethinking, and just putting concepts out there to imagine their possibilities. Your last innovations and only major contributions to the world of mobile technology were the inclusion of capacitive multi-touch gestures and an accelerometer in mobile devices, and these were with the original iPhone back in 2007. For that and only that, I give you credit. All the newer models of virtually every product you sell have been remakes of previous technology—perhaps a little thinner and a little faster, but all in all, minor changes.
It is because of companies like yours that technology is not further today than where it currently is. You are so adamant in protecting something that you didn’t even invent that you are holding back future innovation. The spirit and basic concepts of engineering are completely missing from your business models. Courtesy of the Accreditation Board for Engineering and Technology:
Engineering is the profession in which a knowledge of the mathematical and natural sciences gained by experience, study, and practice is applied with judgement to develop ways to utilize economically, the materials and forces of nature for the benefit of mankind.
Notice the importance of the concept that you are no longer following. Engineering practices are used for the betterment of mankind. What have you done for this purpose? Rebrand an existing technology (MP3 players) and sell them for twice the price? Trying to cripple your competitors by claiming that you invented something that was previously invented, when you simply adapted the technology and closed off any other use of this by others? This can be compared to using a Linux kernel (if it weren’t under GPL license), patenting it, and closing it off so that no one else can use it.
Apple, you are simply a disgrace to the world of technology and to engineering in general. I feel ashamed of being called an engineer in a world where your company roams around freely without even following the most basic of the field’s concepts—a world where the law and justice are blind to the fact that your actions are hindering humanity’s advancement. While I understand that there is nothing wrong with making money, there is something very wrong with replacing engineering with greed.
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Does anyone know some definite e-mail addresses to Apple execs and relevant people?
E-mail Addresses found so far:
Tim Cook [email protected]
How about sending it to one infinite loop,Cupertino CA
At least spam filters won't get it...
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I went to their site earlier today and when on chat to let them know my anger. Click thru their Google ad first
Nice! Even though i dont have any email addresses, i think this should be posted to any and every response to or from a crapple fan or employee.
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This is silly.
I mean, heck. If I were company A who invented idea X and company B came along with idea X, I would not be so different from Apple.
And, Apple employees are not the ones hording our EVOs. Its the government.
What we need is a "Free EVO" campaign
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And, Apple employees are not the ones hording our EVOs. Its the government.
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Ah, didn't realize the Customs office is holding HTC products for ****s and giggles.
Doesn't matter. Voices need to be heard.
I sent one too!
Steve Jobs would sometimes personally answer emails, but I doubt Tim Cook would. Honestly at this point it's out of Apple's hands as it's US Customs who are enforcing it and controlling the process of holding the phones so a mass email to them would be more effective.
typhoonikan said:
This is silly.
I mean, heck. If I were company A who invented idea X and company B came along with idea X, I would not be so different from Apple.
And, Apple employees are not the ones hording our EVOs. Its the government.
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Therein lies the biggest issue, Apple didn't invent a lot of the stuff they have patents for. They are just the first ones to try and patent something so ridiculous.
coolblue830 said:
Steve Jobs would sometimes personally answer emails, but I doubt Tim Cook would. Honestly at this point it's out of Apple's hands as it's US Customs who are enforcing it and controlling the process of holding the phones so a mass email to them would be more effective.
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Tell my why the HTC One on T-Moblie is being held? You know, the network without the iphoney...
Pure thuggery by apple
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shook187 said:
What we need is a "Free EVO" campaign
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As in "free" beer, or "free" willy?
Sent.
All sprint and other cellular phone salesman should advise customers against buying the iPhone. Recommend a Nexus or EVO LTE instead.
Peace All,
Where is ANONYMOUS when we need them? They would be the best at doing this--hey they might even be able to shut down some of Apple's infrastructure
phatmanxxl said:
All sprint and other cellular phone salesman should advise customers against buying the iPhone. Recommend a Nexus or EVO LTE instead.
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I sell phones and already do this! B-)
Apple doesn't care what non-customers think of them.
Apple's action is anti-consumer, it's time to awaken the government's consumer protection arms to take action against Apple. Write to your Attorney Generals, write to the Federal Trade Commission. Make Apple listen.
The U.S. International Trade Commission today ordered an import ban on Motorola Mobility Android products, agreeing with Microsoft that the devices infringe a Microsoft patent on 'generating meeting requests' from a mobile device. The import ban stems from a December ruling that the Motorola Atrix, Droid, and Xoom (among 18 total devices) infringed the patent, which Microsoft says is related to Exchange ActiveSync technology.
Today, the ITC said in a 'final determination of violation' (PDF) that 'the appropriate form of relief in this investigation is a limited exclusion order prohibiting the unlicensed entry for consumption of mobile devices, associated software and components thereof covered by ... United States Patent No. 6,370,566 and that are manufactured abroad by or on behalf of, or imported by or on behalf of, Motorola.' Motorola (which is being acquired by Google) was the last major Android device maker not to pay off Microsoft in a patent licensing deal. Microsoft has already responded to the decision, saying it hopes Motorola will now reconsider."
Ha
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Roflmao. It's too bad Microsoft doesn't have a patent on locked bootloaders. :-D
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They'll pay.
Or, hey, how about this? Since this is a corporate thing that somebody like me will never use, why not only put it on a few business-class phones, and push the cost onto the consumer? Or, take it out of the phone, and sell it as an app? That way, those who want it can pay Motorola for the software and Microsoft for being a patent troll.
Also interesting to note that Microsoft now, as well as Apple, has sent a message to Android users that they are unable to openly compete (since they aren't giving away the software, they can't sell the same hardware as cheaply). That tells me that WP7 (as well as iOS) isn't a sustainable platform as long as Android is around. And I wouldn't bet against Google. I'd think it less wise to bet against Apple and Microsoft, but Google's got them in a panic.
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Roflmao. It's too bad Microsoft doesn't have a patent on locked bootloaders. :-D
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Thanks for the laugh haha.
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Kind of reminds me of the days when RedHat 5.1 was makin it big. At that time MS had like 93% of the OS market. I think they tried something similar against Linux. I remember by the time it was all over with Linux had like 6 or 7% of the OS market.
Some said 7%, what l's the big deal? Think about it. All those millions of PC's that were lost to Linux. It's about money and control and Gates was losing some. Same thing with Android phones. I think the "infringement" on activesync is bull. It's just another attempt by a greedy company not wanting to loose money.
My MoPho's in the kitchen sink!!
Seem Apple and Microsoft have team up to try and crush Android
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for what it is worth, googles purchase of Motorola was approved by chineese regulators with the requirement that Android stay open for at least 5yrs. That was the last remaining hurdle for purchase.
Hopefully google will improve motorola as well as the photon.
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It's about money and control and Gates was losing some. Same
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Well, can you tell me someone that has spent more money for the society than Gates (Roughly half of his fortune is in his foundation) and is still quite modest and down-to-earth?
(Just sayin that it's not fair to bash Gates)
Anyway, I hate those legal battles, too. I'd say stop crying and start developing innovative stuff to be competitive!!
Technology can't advance if ****ty companies like MS and Appple continue to claim every little thingy as theirs.
Android on the other hand continues to grow in popularity, because of its openness.
And it's getting better every day because users&devs can improve every aspect of it.
If you have iOS though, you're left at the mercy of apple. Nothing you can do 'bout that
I'd choose open source over proprietary bs any time
Dear Microsoft,
Please make Motorola release official kernel sources, drivers and other BS stuff.
And not to forget make them unlock the bootloders.
Getting things sorted out for couple of million $$$ isn't going to be a fair deal.
Make them pay for their evil work
Your's truly
Proud WinUbuntu User
iONEx said:
Technology can't advance if ****ty companies like MS and Appple continue to claim every little thingy as theirs.
Android on the other hand continues to grow in popularity, because of its openness.
And it's getting better every day because users&devs can improve every aspect of it.
If you have iOS though, you're left at the mercy of apple. Nothing you can do 'bout that
I'd choose open source over proprietary bs any time
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Because Android is of course completely open source and there is nothing proprietary about it, right?
Newsflash, buddy. Android as XDA knows it is not Android as the rest of the world knows it. As much as you'd love to think the world of smartphones revolves around XDA and it's open to everyone and it's amazing and beautiful and so simple, people who root and reflash are the minority and always will be. Android is not growing because of it's openness. It's growing because it doesn't cost anything and anyone can slap it on a ridiculously crappy phone and call it a "smartphone" and sell it on a high margin.
Please don't be fooled for one second into thinking that the use of Android outside of high-end devices is anything more than businesses trying to efficiently make money.
This is exactly the sort of arrogance from Android users that piss me off and sometimes make me a shamed to be a fan of Android. Microsoft and Google aren't doing anything less than what Google would do, but I have no doubt you people would all bow down to Google if Google attacked Microsoft or Apple, because of course that's ok.
You can sit there for ages smack-talking Apple and Microsoft as much as you want, but the truth is simple; as awesome as Android is, it's full of patent-infringing stuff, and will continue to be for a long time. The only reason it doesn't bother you is because you're all Android fans.
Microsoft had every right to do what they did, for the longest time they were perfectly content with just taking license fees on every Android device made. Was it a bit slimy for them to do it recently instead of much earlier? Obviously, but then again, Google pushed out an operating system without full understanding what they were creating.
I'm thankful for Android, but Android is not god. Google is not perfect. They infringed and they got burned for it. This is what happens in the business world. The way IP works does not change just because you are a fan of the "victim" company.
I came into this thread hoping for mature conversation about what happened, but it seems everyone has decided they're industry experts and that Android's quality as an operating system has anything to do with its status as patent-infringing or not.
Sad.
I agree with you, except one thing.
There are many nonsense patents, all these companies got patented for some reason, I do not understand.
Maybe one day, you won't be able to plant some kind of a flower, because it's growing too fast and someone has patent, that this kind of flower cannot grow faster, because he has patent, that only his way is the right way and you will pay for it, that you know it.
Just a symbolic example. ;-)
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I agree with you, except one thing.
There are many nonsense patents, all these companies got patented for some reason, I do not understand.
Maybe one day, you won't be able to plant some kind of a flower, because it's growing too fast and someone has patent, that this kind of flower cannot grow faster, because he has patent, that only his way is the right way and you will pay for it, that you know it.
Just a symbolic example. ;-)
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Monsanto?
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Lol...
No.
Saw this article today on BGR about Android security.
http://www.bgr.com/2012/10/15/android-security-fbi-malware-warning/
I understand about using safe apps and will probably try and Anti-Virus software. I love using ROMs and the last part of the article caught my attention about rooting the phone.
Usually we root to install ROMs. Could there be malicious ROM makers who build ROM's that steal information? I know I am being paranoid but could some hacker build a ROM that secretly sent your information to a hidden server? Is there any way people can check if the ROM is safe?
I go on the threads to read about how fast it is, how little space it uses, the modifications, etc but I never read to check up on the safety of the ROM. I am not trying to accuse any ROM makers and I am grateful to the community for having the ability to change our phones. However this article got me thinking about it.
FBI says a lot of things.
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The 2 pieces of malware the FBI discovered are from phishing. One ad was for finding wealthy Asian males and the other for something else stupid.
Both require u to install an app on your phone as well. So, if your rooted u can install adaway and not worry about phishing ads in the first place. Second, if your dumb enough to click on ads u deserve a lil ass kicking.
Genius!
A rom maker could feasibly do some pretty bad things. In fact back in the day, when mui was first getting some attention, there were people who wouldn't run it and were convinced the rom was malware, just because it was something new and it was chinese. That of course turned out to false. As long as you know and trust the dev, you should be okay. Especially here on xda, what with the recognized titles, or other sites where a dev has built up a following. I might be a little wary of someone with a low post count and no title posting a rom, but still, the chances of a dev going rogue, and building a rom just to get you to run some piece of malware are pretty slim.
The reason they warn against rooting is more along the lines of preventing malicious apps from getting superuser access, in order to do things they shouldn't.
BGR is an apple biased tech blog and says whatever to put android down. They're like NBC news if you're Republican or Fox News if you're Democrat. Seriously, ran by fan boys
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fpineda101 said:
BGR is an apple biased tech blog and says whatever to put android down. They're like NBC news if you're Republican or Fox News if you're Democrat. Seriously, ran by fan boys
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i think it is actually the other way around for FOX and NBC isnt it :silly:
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i think it is actually the other way around for FOX and NBC isnt it :silly:
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I meant if you're Republican then you take what nbc says with a grain a salt and demo same thing with fox. I know man lol
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Using common sense when going to websites, viewing emails with links, or downloading and installing apps is the best way to stay safe..
All I need is for your phone to install apps from unknown sources and some clever java script. Doesn't matter if you're rooted or not
You don't need root to browse shady website, download warez and sideload them. I think Apple is paying the FBI.
Yeah I feel safer with Android, I know exactly what my phone is doing 98% of the time. Who knows what kind of 'skynet' stuff is going on behind the scenes at apple. There must be a reason that all of their equipment can only be used by their other equipment (no micro usb cable for instance)
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Yeah I feel safer with Android, I know exactly what my phone is doing 98% of the time. Who knows what kind of 'skynet' stuff is going on behind the scenes at apple. There must be a reason that all of their equipment can only be used by their other equipment (no micro usb cable for instance)
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Some guy in Germany or somewhere around there hijacked a bunch of iPhones using a built in remote feature for developers and charged everyone affected (I forgot how much) to release their phones. I believe they had to be jail broken but that still doesn't excuse allowing such a huge security flaw.
Yeah, I remember hearing about that awhile ago.
It's about like the never ending gun control issue. No matter how many people die from guns in "gun-free" zones, they still try to say that guns are dangerous and making a rule that only the good people will obey, and being forced to wait 45 minutes for a cop to show up, who often then shoots the wrong people when he does finally get there, somehow makes people safe from guns.
Being under your own control, and having everyone else under their own control, is always better than giving control over many to a few.
Most people are not bad, so even though it's true that some always are bad, and they will always be a problem, they are always the minority, and so as long as everyone has an equal footing, the bad guys can never win and they will always be a small problem, roughly equal to their percentage of the total population.
It's only when some relatively small group of power-holders convince everyone else to give up their equal footing, that the bad guys have a way to co-opt that unnatural imbalance and take advantage of it for themselves, allowing a few bad guys to harm everyone else.
Anyone who tries to remove fundamental control from you, either has an angle or is incompetent, no matter what good-sounding rationalizations they try to hide the truth in.
In other words, root is just, and the FBI trying to scare you away from root is unjust.
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Well said, well said
Do you listen/believe everything our government tells us? Lol! (J/K)...Kind of...
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It's like anything, just be sure you know what you are downloading and stay away from shady stuff. If you download cracked apps odds are you're going to get malware, likewise you'll never see me using MIUI on any of my devices.
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It's like anything, just be sure you know what you are downloading and stay away from shady stuff. If you download cracked apps odds are you're going to get malware, likewise you'll never see me using MIUI on any of my devices.
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A rom built in a communist country that regulates all forms of communication and is now the official ROM for a company that has to follow the regulations, I really don't blame you
Get a free mobile antivirus, like McAfee
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om4 said:
Some guy in Germany or somewhere around there hijacked a bunch of iPhones using a built in remote feature for developers and charged everyone affected (I forgot how much) to release their phones. I believe they had to be jail broken but that still doesn't excuse allowing such a huge security flaw.
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Sounds like what my neighbor went through but w/his pc. The rouge software directed him that the FBI wanted him to goto walgreens to buy some prepaid $ card/software if he wanted control of his pc again. Different platform, same concept I believe.
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