Saw this article today on BGR about Android security.
http://www.bgr.com/2012/10/15/android-security-fbi-malware-warning/
I understand about using safe apps and will probably try and Anti-Virus software. I love using ROMs and the last part of the article caught my attention about rooting the phone.
Usually we root to install ROMs. Could there be malicious ROM makers who build ROM's that steal information? I know I am being paranoid but could some hacker build a ROM that secretly sent your information to a hidden server? Is there any way people can check if the ROM is safe?
I go on the threads to read about how fast it is, how little space it uses, the modifications, etc but I never read to check up on the safety of the ROM. I am not trying to accuse any ROM makers and I am grateful to the community for having the ability to change our phones. However this article got me thinking about it.
FBI says a lot of things.
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The 2 pieces of malware the FBI discovered are from phishing. One ad was for finding wealthy Asian males and the other for something else stupid.
Both require u to install an app on your phone as well. So, if your rooted u can install adaway and not worry about phishing ads in the first place. Second, if your dumb enough to click on ads u deserve a lil ass kicking.
Genius!
A rom maker could feasibly do some pretty bad things. In fact back in the day, when mui was first getting some attention, there were people who wouldn't run it and were convinced the rom was malware, just because it was something new and it was chinese. That of course turned out to false. As long as you know and trust the dev, you should be okay. Especially here on xda, what with the recognized titles, or other sites where a dev has built up a following. I might be a little wary of someone with a low post count and no title posting a rom, but still, the chances of a dev going rogue, and building a rom just to get you to run some piece of malware are pretty slim.
The reason they warn against rooting is more along the lines of preventing malicious apps from getting superuser access, in order to do things they shouldn't.
BGR is an apple biased tech blog and says whatever to put android down. They're like NBC news if you're Republican or Fox News if you're Democrat. Seriously, ran by fan boys
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fpineda101 said:
BGR is an apple biased tech blog and says whatever to put android down. They're like NBC news if you're Republican or Fox News if you're Democrat. Seriously, ran by fan boys
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i think it is actually the other way around for FOX and NBC isnt it :silly:
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i think it is actually the other way around for FOX and NBC isnt it :silly:
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I meant if you're Republican then you take what nbc says with a grain a salt and demo same thing with fox. I know man lol
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Using common sense when going to websites, viewing emails with links, or downloading and installing apps is the best way to stay safe..
All I need is for your phone to install apps from unknown sources and some clever java script. Doesn't matter if you're rooted or not
You don't need root to browse shady website, download warez and sideload them. I think Apple is paying the FBI.
Yeah I feel safer with Android, I know exactly what my phone is doing 98% of the time. Who knows what kind of 'skynet' stuff is going on behind the scenes at apple. There must be a reason that all of their equipment can only be used by their other equipment (no micro usb cable for instance)
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Yeah I feel safer with Android, I know exactly what my phone is doing 98% of the time. Who knows what kind of 'skynet' stuff is going on behind the scenes at apple. There must be a reason that all of their equipment can only be used by their other equipment (no micro usb cable for instance)
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Some guy in Germany or somewhere around there hijacked a bunch of iPhones using a built in remote feature for developers and charged everyone affected (I forgot how much) to release their phones. I believe they had to be jail broken but that still doesn't excuse allowing such a huge security flaw.
Yeah, I remember hearing about that awhile ago.
It's about like the never ending gun control issue. No matter how many people die from guns in "gun-free" zones, they still try to say that guns are dangerous and making a rule that only the good people will obey, and being forced to wait 45 minutes for a cop to show up, who often then shoots the wrong people when he does finally get there, somehow makes people safe from guns.
Being under your own control, and having everyone else under their own control, is always better than giving control over many to a few.
Most people are not bad, so even though it's true that some always are bad, and they will always be a problem, they are always the minority, and so as long as everyone has an equal footing, the bad guys can never win and they will always be a small problem, roughly equal to their percentage of the total population.
It's only when some relatively small group of power-holders convince everyone else to give up their equal footing, that the bad guys have a way to co-opt that unnatural imbalance and take advantage of it for themselves, allowing a few bad guys to harm everyone else.
Anyone who tries to remove fundamental control from you, either has an angle or is incompetent, no matter what good-sounding rationalizations they try to hide the truth in.
In other words, root is just, and the FBI trying to scare you away from root is unjust.
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Well said, well said
Do you listen/believe everything our government tells us? Lol! (J/K)...Kind of...
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It's like anything, just be sure you know what you are downloading and stay away from shady stuff. If you download cracked apps odds are you're going to get malware, likewise you'll never see me using MIUI on any of my devices.
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It's like anything, just be sure you know what you are downloading and stay away from shady stuff. If you download cracked apps odds are you're going to get malware, likewise you'll never see me using MIUI on any of my devices.
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A rom built in a communist country that regulates all forms of communication and is now the official ROM for a company that has to follow the regulations, I really don't blame you
Get a free mobile antivirus, like McAfee
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Some guy in Germany or somewhere around there hijacked a bunch of iPhones using a built in remote feature for developers and charged everyone affected (I forgot how much) to release their phones. I believe they had to be jail broken but that still doesn't excuse allowing such a huge security flaw.
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Sounds like what my neighbor went through but w/his pc. The rouge software directed him that the FBI wanted him to goto walgreens to buy some prepaid $ card/software if he wanted control of his pc again. Different platform, same concept I believe.
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might get lucky with a unloaked leak
What leak? Where? Sniper?
Anyone look at it yet
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where's the leak?
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where's the leak?
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In the development section.
we sound like a bunch of crack fiends lookin for a rock. lol
he did say new leak... the ones in development are a few days old and oldish news.
pretty sure its the international version. its on 911sniper
yea, just saw it now. must have posted right as i left development section.
is it "loaked" ?
lol
omg please say it isnt
Even if/when we get an unlocked leak (which I am absolutely confidant we will get an "accidental" leak top shut us up) there is a good chance that these leaks will start drying up. By time the Evo4D5G comes out next year we won't even expect a phone to not be crypto-signed.
If they don't do this 'officially', and out loud in public then we have absolutely no guarantees that they ever will...and probably will not.
Unfortunately doing it out loud and in public is the _last_ thing they want to do. They want to bend to our demands even less than they want to lock damned phones. I'm pretty convinced that this is due to a back-room deal to get things like Netflix and GoogleMovies and Blockbuster approved by the MPAAs of the world.
...I'm still not sure--aside from tether--what locking up a phone will actually prevent that will save or make them money besides extending the useful life of the devices......but the thing is that those of us who know how to do these things in the first place are also the early-adopter crowd who will pay top price and wait in line at 4am to get a device that doesn't have all the bugs shaken out of it yet.....My mom, my brother, most people I work with...most people on the planet--who do not know nor care about rooting and custom roms--are the ones who will keep these phones as long as possible anyway...with or without upgrading the rom...if they could just click-n-upgrade to CM7 or whatever....well, that'd be a different story...they wouldn't upgrade till the phone caught fire....but these people wouldn't know or care to learn how to do this anyway....
...so they lock *US* out of the phone, we don't buy them....they lose those sales...or they don't lock us out, we buy them, root them, upgrade them, and then line up to be the first to buy the next device....win win, right? I just don't get it....are they scared of '1 click upgrades' being developed for everyone to use? I doubt that....there are plenty of 1-click-root procedures and ROManager anuyway....that's 80% of the way there....and nobody does that anyway...I just don't get it, wtf are they locking out (or in)??? I don't see how this benefits anyone....is it only about tether? cuz I could just just as much data listening to pandora all month as I could downloading a movie tethered to my tablet or whatever....
I just don't get it.
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Even if/when we get an unlocked leak (which I am absolutely confidant we will get an "accidental" leak top shut us up) there is a good chance that these leaks will start drying up. By time the Evo4D5G comes out next year we won't even expect a phone to not be crypto-signed.
If they don't do this 'officially', and out loud in public then we have absolutely no guarantees that they ever will...and probably will not.
Unfortunately doing it out loud and in public is the _last_ thing they want to do. They want to bend to our demands even less than they want to lock damned phones. I'm pretty convinced that this is due to a back-room deal to get things like Netflix and GoogleMovies and Blockbuster approved by the MPAAs of the world.
...I'm still not sure--aside from tether--what locking up a phone will actually prevent that will save or make them money besides extending the useful life of the devices......but the thing is that those of us who know how to do these things in the first place are also the early-adopter crowd who will pay top price and wait in line at 4am to get a device that doesn't have all the bugs shaken out of it yet.....My mom, my brother, most people I work with...most people on the planet--who do not know nor care about rooting and custom roms--are the ones who will keep these phones as long as possible anyway...with or without upgrading the rom...if they could just click-n-upgrade to CM7 or whatever....well, that'd be a different story...they wouldn't upgrade till the phone caught fire....but these people wouldn't know or care to learn how to do this anyway....
...so they lock *US* out of the phone, we don't buy them....they lose those sales...or they don't lock us out, we buy them, root them, upgrade them, and then line up to be the first to buy the next device....win win, right? I just don't get it....are they scared of '1 click upgrades' being developed for everyone to use? I doubt that....there are plenty of 1-click-root procedures and ROManager anuyway....that's 80% of the way there....and nobody does that anyway...I just don't get it, wtf are they locking out (or in)??? I don't see how this benefits anyone....is it only about tether? cuz I could just just as much data listening to pandora all month as I could downloading a movie tethered to my tablet or whatever....
I just don't get it.
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I think you hit on a couple points here, but really I think what happened has to do with HTC Watch (their own mobile movie rental service) and the contracts they're signing with studios to provide more on-demand content.
Movie/Music/Game studios probably won't allow anyone to distribute their copy-written content without extreme steps to assure them that the manufacturer is doing everything they can to avoid piracy/illegal downloading &/or access.
I'm willing to bet that bootloader and partition encryption is something they've gone the length of assuring these companies so to be able to provide on-demand content as a revenue generating service. If it's in contracts, then we're screwed.
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I think you hit on a couple points here, but really I think what happened has to do with HTC Watch (their own mobile movie rental service) and the contracts they're signing with studios to provide more on-demand content.
Movie/Music/Game studios probably won't allow anyone to distribute their copy-written content without extreme steps to assure them that the manufacturer is doing everything they can to avoid piracy/illegal downloading &/or access.
I'm willing to bet that bootloader and partition encryption is something they've gone the length of assuring these companies so to be able to provide on-demand content as a revenue generating service. If it's in contracts, then we're screwed.
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couldn't we just use the mirroring hdmi thing to a tv and then from there use a recorder to copy the movie over. I mean i am just wondering if that's possible and if it is it just means that no matter what you try to do from people stealing content, people will just figure out a way to do it.
It's a streaming service.
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It's a streaming service.
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i uderstand that's its streaming but if we streamed it from the phone to th tv which had a recorder hooked up to it couldn't we just copy that stream?
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i uderstand that's its streaming but if we streamed it from the phone to th tv which had a recorder hooked up to it couldn't we just copy that stream?
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I'm willing to bet the streaming service won't support HDMI mirroring
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i uderstand that's its streaming but if we streamed it from the phone to th tv which had a recorder hooked up to it couldn't we just copy that stream?
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Have you not heard oh HDCP?
The Evo will go blank if you try to hook it up to a receiver and not direct to tv. I ment future phones.
Comcast cable already does this with the new boxes.
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I'm willing to bet the streaming service won't support HDMI mirroring
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I agree but at the same time that would make it kind of pointless for me. Honestly, I could never see myself sitting down for an entire movie on my phone. Hopefully that is not the case.
that would be dumb if it didn't. I can't stand watching a movie on my phone let alone pay for it just to be seen on a 4 inch screen
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I think you hit on a couple points here, but really I think what happened has to do with HTC Watch (their own mobile movie rental service) and the contracts they're signing with studios to provide more on-demand content.
Movie/Music/Game studios probably won't allow anyone to distribute their copy-written content without extreme steps to assure them that the manufacturer is doing everything they can to avoid piracy/illegal downloading &/or access.
I'm willing to bet that bootloader and partition encryption is something they've gone the length of assuring these companies so to be able to provide on-demand content as a revenue generating service. If it's in contracts, then we're screwed.
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I hadn't even heard of HTC Watch up until this post. I'm absolutely convinced 100% that this is the smoking gun in the matter of "why?"
Now, if that is the case they will NEVER be able to officially unlock these phones without violating these contracts. We can only hope for leaks...and to be honest, I've never seen so much internal development software leaked by any other company in my life so reliably. Sure, there have been companies with bigger leaks or more leaks but never with such reliability....OTA's before they go OTA, eng h-boots, test versions, etc etc etc, it is absolutely ludicrous. I have a hard time thinking that it is entirely accidental or just one rogue guy who hasn't been identified and fired....repeatedly.
But will the ferocity of these contracts undermine even these leaks?
Why don't they just super-encrypt a 'trusted pipeline' in the phone once you unlock the phone you permanently disable the ability of that pipeline to ever operate ever again? I'm all for that. Pump your locked-down content through that pipeline...I don't care if I never open that pipe up ever again.
HTC's gotta come up with something or this is it for all of us I'm sure. I checked out the NexusS4G...nice phone, feels cheap but then again maybe I'm just used to lugging around this monster sized and weighted Evo. Screen looked nice, bone-stock android was a pleasure to see. Though I'll wait for the Nexus3, or whatever they call it. Sure to be dual core by then....
I guess I'll just get Nexus' for life...this is all bull**** and totally not worth the worry now that I really look at it. They don't want customers 'like us' apparently, Samsung/Google do. 3D is a gimmick anyway. Just give me dual cores and all of the standard features with a 4 point something screen. After the 30fps debacle last year I swore that I wouldn't buy an HTC again...but forgot all about their horrible attitude cuz it got fixed here and they used the code in an OTA. That even gave me faith in them...like the Open Source system is working exactly as intended...but....take and take and take and never give back.....HTC? Never again.
Hey guys,
Recently there's been talks about piracy on Android and how developers seem to shy away from it and produce games for iOS. That's actually the reason why developers of Infinite Blade refuses to port the game to Android. I've recently gotten the chance to speak with the creative director Matt Small of Vector Unit (Riptide GP). In this interview he talks about piracy and how its equal on both sides of the os. You guys really think its that bad? In truth when GTA 3 came out today someone already posted the apk on this forums mere hours it showed up in the market.
Anyway check it out:
http://droidgamers.com/index.php/ga...-unit-talks-piracy-tegra-and-of-course-games-
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Piracy is always present in some form and amount on all devices. Windows Phone for example is pretty much closed platform, thus very unsuccessful to make bigger impact on the market. There is always "awareness" in big % of the consumers that think that piracy is bad and illegal, so software market is never that hurt. Some polls says that no platform has piracy more than a 10% (except PC of course), so it is not an issue and reason for someone not to port a good game on all the platforms. PC market is the biggest on the planet, so bigger amount of piracy is actually lower in numbers comparing to the others (more than 1.3 Bilion people are using Windows).
Piracy happens on iOS too. It just takes slightly longer, but every paid app that's worth getting gets pirated sooner or later.
The attitudes towards piracy on iOS versus Android are what I find most interesting though. When I was on iOS, pirating expensive apps was almost chic. It was talked about openly on some sites and seriously everyone I knew with an iPhone had stuff like sinful and hackulous in their Cydia repos. Now that I'm on Android, the online community is all about supporting the devs and pirating is looked down upon (at least openly).
Oh yes there is plenty of piracy going around in the android community. I've been doing some "research" on this topic and have discovered sites like Applanet, Blapkmarket, Snappzmarket, etc. Thrive in third party distribution of both free and paid apps. Though it is frowned upon in the general android population, i understand the people that use these sites when it comes down to not being able to spend hard earned money on overpriced apps in this ridiculous economy. (Not saying i support them, i just understand). Maybe we can make a compromise one day, who knows?
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Pirated apps arenpirated for one main reason. To install some sort malware or keylogger onto your phone. Use a pirated app and enjoy what it brings.
As for apps not being ported because of it is just a cop out. It is everywhere no matter what OS it is.
There is one additional unpleasant thing in market. In some stores (not android market) people steal applications, changes its name (without changing application itself), after that they sell it from their name.
it exist in every OS you can imagine, even something ancient like Atari, or as new as Windows 8
as long as there are humans, you can never get away from it
just like the recent SOPA bill even if it passes, it means nothing as people already have work around and anti SOPA internet ready to deploy the moment it hits
that's why the best way to prevent piracy is to offer the App for free, and make them pay as they use it for additional features
this is becoming a very common practice in a lot of games, even Gameloft has joined the play
they all learned that from the MMO free to play, but pay to upgrade schemes
it's a very "honest" movement, and people will certainly pay to get what they want, as there is no way to dupe, hack, crack, stuff that is only available on the server side.
else they get banned
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it exist in every OS you can imagine, even something ancient like Atari, or as new as Windows 8
as long as there are humans, you can never get away from it
just like the recent SOPA bill even if it passes, it means nothing as people already have work around and anti SOPA internet ready to deploy the moment it hits
that's why the best way to prevent piracy is to offer the App for free, and make them pay as they use it for additional features
this is becoming a very common practice in a lot of games, even Gameloft has joined the play
they all learned that from the MMO free to play, but pay to upgrade schemes
it's a very "honest" movement, and people will certainly pay to get what they want, as there is no way to dupe, hack, crack, stuff that is only available on the server side.
else they get banned
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''Freemium" or pay to play games is a great alternatives, but is in the brink of oversaturation. Its great that we receive games for free, but the micro transaction will only hurt if every single developer jumps in. I'm sure most will charge you for small ridiculous trinkets.
Take a look at Blood and Glory for example. Great gameplay and graphics. But almost impossible to play without purchasing something. I'd rather pay full price just to have everything available. Its breaks immersion when your trying to play and a box pops out asking you a dollar to unlock a level. Game developers should give us an option for a full game.Sad to see vector unit thinking of going that route.
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Isn't piracy even worse on iOS with stuff like Installous? I think developers should just jump on on board - by joining android they're going to make more money anyway aren't they?
Im not saying piracy isn't a problem on Android, but it's much more of a problem on iOS. Google have license checks with the market, which I don't believe exist on iOS. Saying you wont make an app for Android because of piracy is complete ********
I don't get it. Why not just install the free versions and deal with the ads? It's not that expensive to pay for the full app, not most apps anyways? I think pirating apps is more of an "because I can" and less of an "I can't afford it."
The worst is buying an app that receives no updates , becomes obselete and then just sits in your app list forever.....
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But equally, when you put the word "open" in open source, this is something google should have been prepared for. They even give the tools for piraters to pirate files. For example, if I'm rooted and know a package name of an APK, then all I have to do is adb pull the file, and upload it. It is sad that people go out and pirate games because it does discourage devs, but they know the wolves are in the den ahead before they walk into the forest. Apple is jailbreakable, but that takes for-freaking-ever, webOS is now open source, so its gonna have some miiiinor issues, and Windows basically hits the idea of open source with a giant middle finger, so it is horrible, but its one of those things you don't have a choice to do but accept.!
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just make all games pay as you go like sleepy jack and cordy or the many many many MMO "free" to play, but pay to be elite
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I don't get it. Why not just install the free versions and deal with the ads? It's not that expensive to pay for the full app, not most apps anyways? I think pirating apps is more of an "because I can" and less of an "I can't afford it."
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Because not every application has a free ad-supported version
Simple reason google checkout not supported by all banks, the transfer is declined,in india hence we cant buy any app...
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Ok, here I go....I'm sure I'll get mega-flamed for this but..I don't care. I pirate. Alot. Why? Because I'm poor. Seriously. I feel like, its not fair that only those that have money get to enjoy everything. Typically, if an app is good and really proves itself useful, I will eventually buy it when I'm able. Same goes for PC software, movies, music, etc. Why the hell would I wanna waste money I don't have on something that turns out to be worthless crap. And furthermore, the rights holders that seem to ***** the most tend to be (typically but not always) those that are most well off. I'm sorry, but I don't feel bad because I didn't put another dollar in some rich [email protected]%k's pocket. Like I said, if its worthy, I'll eventually buy it. I have paid for all the must have paid apps that I use for rooting my phone and tweaking it etc. Which brings me to another point, the fact that so many seem to believe that the rooting community as a whole only root so we can pirate...pure BS. As someone who admits to pirating, I root my phone for the pure and simple reason of installing custom ROMS and tweaking my phone. I can do all the pirating I want on my PC, I don't need my phone for that. I do try to support devs that provide quality and useful apps, because I know they are working hard to try and earn a buck, just like me...but all the rich conglomerates can kiss my @ss. If I had plenty of money, I wouldn't pirate...honestly, what would be the point? But I don't. So for now I'm just a little dog trying to enjoy myself in world made for big dogs. And that's considered a crime...that's a crying shame.
And on a side note, I'm really not trying to be offensive, just being honest...
I can get any app i want on my iphone for free if I were so inclinded.
reality is app makers make more with ios apps. end of story
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In an attempt to distance themselves from the increasingly volatile Carrier IQ situation, we’ve been told that Sprint has ordered that all of their hardware partners remove the Carrier IQ software from Sprint devices as soon as possible.
This comes after a number of dramatic turns over the past few weeks. During that time Carrier IQ was called a lot of things, from a harmless mobile intelligence company to a vicious rootkit designed to steal our personal data and sell it to the ne’er-do-wells. In my opinion, Carrier IQ is a company that provides a service that benefits everyone with a cellphone by giving information to the carriers about when their network has problems that affects our service. Unfortunately, this software was installed in such a manner that, when discovered, there was a significant panic. This is understandable because the software was forced onto unsuspecting users with no real oversight to speak of.
That panic was made worse when the company responded by trying to silence the person who discovered the software, instead of trying to explain what was actually happening. So here we sit, a month away from a Senate hearing on whether or not Carrier IQ is doing anything illegal, on top of a barrage of lawsuits against all of the companies involved.
Sources at HTC have told us that, as a result of the lawsuits targeting Carrier IQ, Sprint, and other CIQ-using OEMs, Sprint has asked all of their partners to get rid of Carrier IQ. Starting with the high-volume and high-profile devices on the network, each of the OEM’s has been asked to quickly release binaries that do not contain Carrier IQ so that over-the-air updates can be pushed to those devices as quickly as possible. The eventual plan is to remove Carrier IQ from all of the devices on Sprint’s network.
This is being done as soon as possible and, according to our source at HTC, anyone who is working with Sprint in testing labs have even had their vacation time over the holidays seriously restricted. No official rollout plan for these updates has been devised, but it has been made clear to everyone involved that this change needs to happen soon. I would assume that we will see updates for devices including the iPhone, HTC Evo 3D, and the Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch before 2012.
At this time, Carrier IQ, Samsung, and Apple all refused to comment on any developments in this matter.
Some may view this as a classic “too little, too late” situation. Sprint waited until there were lawsuits to start removing Carrier IQ from their network, where previously they had been defending their use of the mobile intelligence service. This could possibly even be seen as an admission of guilt, as them removing the software in an attempt to make amends for what they have been caught doing.
Even so, Sprint could have just as easily made a public statement announcing that they were turning off the servers that collected the information, pending the results of the trial and the Senate inquiry. At that point a simple test from any of the security researchers that have gotten involved would confirm Sprint’s cancellation of CIQ and they wouldn’t have to involve every manufacturer on their network.
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TrevE > CIQ
Nuff said!!!
Another victory!!!! TrevE is forever my hero!
While this is nice and all the article seems to be lacking some knowledge in itself on some things. mainly the fact it included iPhone in the list of devices that would be getting updates. I'm pretty sure Apple commented on this long ago stating they do not use CarrierIQ in their devices anymore at all.
And I can't really see Sprint able to force Apple to load it on the device either...
Awsome just hope we didn't make it worst for sprint
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Awsome just hope we didn't make it worst for sprint
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I just had to laugh I mean Sprints network already sucks how could it possibly get worse. CarrierIQ is not going to fix 4G or even poor 3G speeds due to network congestion. They know they have a problem doubt they need an app to confirm it.
Can you say Pwned! TrevE is the man!
Tons of idiots. Ciq is made to learn how you do things, so they can make it better. Yet, you complain about things your phone can't do. How the **** are they supposed to know what you want if you don't tell them? Oh yeah HTC is supposed to troll the forums and sees that one person doesnt like sense and remove it bc one person doesn't like it. Or they could use ciq, see that 50% of people who have sense, use a different launcher and then rethink their approach. You guys are pathetic.
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Tons of idiots. Ciq is made to learn how you do things, so they can make it better. Yet, you complain about things your phone can't do. How the **** are they supposed to know what you want if you don't tell them? Oh yeah HTC is supposed to troll the forums and sees that one person doesnt like sense and remove it bc one person doesn't like it. Or they could use ciq, see that 50% of people who have sense, use a different launcher and then rethink their approach. You guys are pathetic.
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How are we pathetic..... Ciq is the one that is pathetic. They had the chance to explain what CIQ does but instead they try to silence TrevE. On top of that they install CIQ without even letting you know.
I understand that it's probably used to make phones and services better, but they should at least give you a disclaimer, an opt out option, and an explanation of what CIQ does and maybe then so many people wouldn't be angry at CIQ.
I think the *****ing and complaining is like he said...the fact they covered it up, tried to silence someone. Not that its probably bad software but bad business ethics. Agreed?
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bloodrain954 said:
Tons of idiots. Ciq is made to learn how you do things, so they can make it better. Yet, you complain about things your phone can't do. How the **** are they supposed to know what you want if you don't tell them? Oh yeah HTC is supposed to troll the forums and sees that one person doesnt like sense and remove it bc one person doesn't like it. Or they could use ciq, see that 50% of people who have sense, use a different launcher and then rethink their approach. You guys are pathetic.
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Oh please, its fine that you are ok with invasive measures that reduce your personal security, freedom, and privacy but criticizing other's opinions based on your lack of knowledge is crap. When your life is ruined because data isn't protected and you didn't authorize or get the choice in giving that info up I hope you remember your BS logic that the risk is fine and dandy because they were "trying" to gather data to improve things.
So naive, yeah they want to mine and transfer data to make your life better. Wrong, bottom line is the almighty dollar. They make millions doing what they do, they could give two ****s less about you and your experience
+1 so true
Information was still being withdrawn from my phone without my permission. Individual info should never be given out for free nor taken without consent.
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CIQ might have done the right thing collecting error logs on the phone to troubleshoot. But installing it on devices without user permission or any kind of disclosure of the software being install is just "unethical".
P.S. the reason why they are being sued was due to unethical practices.
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The fact that it was capable of reading texts, emails, URLs, passwords is what the problem is. We're just supposed to believe they aren't using it for that? Why the hell is it even possible to do so then?!
Cuss all you want..you can be a tool. I'll go with the crowd that wants it gone.
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Oh please, its fine that you are ok with invasive measures that reduce your personal security, freedom, and privacy but criticizing other's opinions based on your lack of knowledge is crap. When your life is ruined because data isn't protected and you didn't authorize or get the choice in giving that info up I hope you remember your BS logic that the risk is fine and dandy because they were "trying" to gather data to improve things.
So naive, yeah they want to mine and transfer data to make your life better. Wrong, bottom line is the almighty dollar. They make millions doing what they do, they could give two ****s less about you and your experience
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LOL! When my life is ruined? They aren't stealing credit card and social security numbers, they are just reporting what apps and hardware is used during the day. Huge difference. Yeah, CIQ didn't do the right thing with the lawsuit, boo hoo life goes on.
You know people at your local bank track everything you do, have access to your credit cards and social security number. They can tell you where you've spent your money, what you bought, and all your personal information, yet nobody cries about that. But its a huge deal to report to Sprint that your playing angry birds at 1pm.
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bloodrain954 said:
You know people at your local bank track everything you do, have access to your credit cards and social security number. They can tell you where you've spent your money, what you bought, and all your personal information, yet nobody cries about that. But its a huge deal to report to Sprint that your playing angry birds at 1pm.
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That's because by choosing the bank you opt into that, and go in knowing that they can track your money. And for the record they don't know what you bought, just that you spent so much money here and so much money there. The cc from the bank gets an amount taken not an itemization of funds spent per transaction. CIQ was added without knowledge, why can't you grasp the differences?
http://allthingsd.com/20111201/carr...monitors-service-messages-ignores-other-data/
Learn what it really does before you jump on the zomg my personal info is compromised!!1! Bandwagon.
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bloodrain954 said:
http://allthingsd.com/20111201/carr...monitors-service-messages-ignores-other-data/
Learn what it really does before you jump on the zomg my personal info is compromised!!1! Bandwagon.
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First of all I never said anything about personal info. I don't like how it was forced onto us without control. Second, just because they say (AFTER they were found out about) that their software does do anything with personal data doesn't mean it's true. The US Gov said there were weapons of mass destruction and we should go to war, there wasn't and we were there for oil only. Don't believe something especially when the company has their back against the wall trying to fish their way out.
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The US Gov said there were weapons of mass destruction and we should go to war, there wasn't and we were there for oil only.
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Iraq war is a great analogy for Carrier IQ....
http://www.xda-developers.com/annou...8th-at-8am-you-can-help-bring-us-back-online/
Government doing too much
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dcowboys2184 said:
http://www.xda-developers.com/annou...8th-at-8am-you-can-help-bring-us-back-online/
Government doing too much
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wikipedia might be going black too, I assume on the same day. They haven't committed yet though.
reddit is as well. Also several companies and some law makers have reversed tehir stance on SOPA. I hope we make more progress!!!!!
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reddit is as well. Also several companies and some law makers have reversed tehir stance on SOPA. I hope we make more progress!!!!!
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If only Facebook and Google would as well.. (well, google is in bed w/ these bastards but wishful thinking eh?)
Facebook and twitter going black would get some attention right ? heh...
Im in. there are a few other places I am a part of that are going dark on the 18th as well.
I find this whole blackout thing to be completely ridiculous.
I'm no fan of SOPA and I ditched GoDaddy on the few domains I own, but I find blackouts like this to be counterproductive.
I'm not fond at all of companies/websites intentionally and purposefully sabotaging their uptime and access. It serves to piss off their visitors like me. Most XDA visitors (and redditors etc.) already know about SOPA. A blackout serves no purpose.
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I find this whole blackout thing to be completely ridiculous.
I'm no fan of SOPA and I ditched GoDaddy on the few domains I own, but I find blackouts like this to be counterproductive.
I'm not fond at all of companies/websites intentionally and purposefully sabotaging their uptime and access. It serves to piss off their visitors like me. Most XDA visitors (and redditors etc.) already know about SOPA. A blackout serves no purpose.
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I feel quite the contrary. I believe it garners attention and action. It helps motivate the un-motivated to get their butts moving to sign the petitions and increase awareness. Grassroots momentum builds quickly.
Just sayin'
Internet pseudo-petitions do nothing. It's akin to 'liking' "I hate cancer!" on Facebook.
fyi.. here is an article that everyone can read.. click on the 2 links that go to google and facebook .. copy/paste the text.
If more ppl contact those 2 sites.. maybe they will listen/respond.
This isn't a petition per se, the point is to get people to personally call in and lodge formal complaints with the specific senators/representatives of your state and get your voices heard.
I believe that would be much more efficient than simply typing your name in a petition.
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This isn't a petition per se, the point is to get people to personally call in and lodge formal complaints with the specific senators/representatives of your state and get your voices heard.
I believe that would be much more efficient than simply typing your name in a petition.
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this.
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http://act.demandprogress.org/sign/megaupload_seizure/?source=fb
Just thought people should know!
I find it very entertaining it occurred the day after the SOPA blackout protests. Anonymous seems to have taken a jump on it too and taken down the DOJ's site and some major record sites as well.
yoderk said:
I find it very entertaining it occurred the day after the SOPA blackout protests. Anonymous seems to have taken a jump on it too and taken down the DOJ's site and some major record sites as well.
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Anonymous is ex government officials best believe, they always seem to be on top of everything
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I'm glad it was shut down. Everyone uses that garbage site to host files and the download speeds were horrid not to mention the waiting times and ads.
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Seeing this in the news really set me off.
There are plenty of worse hosts out there.
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WOW. That is BS... I cannot believe it. What site is next? This is PURE CRAP. And I did not prefer this site but sometimes it worked to get what I needed. F The Government. I thought in H.S. over 20 years ago we would of had a civil war due to the goverment. I thought after all this time we had passed that point. But HOW the goverment and the obama admin is taking away our rights and what we are used to I can see it happening at some point as this crap continues....
Just saying, MegaVideo is down, too.
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Just saying, MegaVideo is down, too.
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They are the same site...
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WOW. That is BS... I cannot believe it. What site is next? This is PURE CRAP. And I did not prefer this site but sometimes it worked to get what I needed. F The Government. I thought in H.S. over 20 years ago we would of had a civil war due to the goverment. I thought after all this time we had passed that point. But HOW the goverment and the obama admin is taking away our rights and what we are used to I can see it happening at some point as this crap continues....
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We don't have a right to steal the IP of others. While I do not want more government in my life, the problem of piracy is very real and one that is getting worse with each generation. The ease with which we can do it has caused whole generations of kids to grow up with no respect for the property of others. All they understand is that if they can download it, they can do with it as they please. They have almost no concept of what IP and copyright are. Something has to be done not just to protect companies from unscrupulous Americans with entitlement attitudes, but from countries like China that are stealing billions from us with no controls whatsoever. Piracy costs us all in some way.
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We don't have a right to steal the IP of others. While I do not want more government in my life, the problem of piracy is very real and one that is getting worse with each generation. The ease with which we can do it has caused whole generations of kids to grow up with no respect for the property of others. All they understand is that if they can download it, they can do with it as they please. They have almost no concept of what IP and copyright are. Something has to be done not just to protect companies from unscrupulous Americans with entitlement attitudes, but from countries like China that are stealing billions from us with no controls whatsoever. Piracy costs us all in some way.
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well put!
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Miami_Son said:
We don't have a right to steal the IP of others. While I do not want more government in my life, the problem of piracy is very real and one that is getting worse with each generation. The ease with which we can do it has caused whole generations of kids to grow up with no respect for the property of others. All they understand is that if they can download it, they can do with it as they please. They have almost no concept of what IP and copyright are. Something has to be done not just to protect companies from unscrupulous Americans with entitlement attitudes, but from countries like China that are stealing billions from us with no controls whatsoever. Piracy costs us all in some way.
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THIS^^^ Just because they did some proper services such as file hosting, they should not be allowed to pirate. One thing has nothing to do with the other. Sharing free information is one thing selling stolen info is quite the other
I dont think there will ever be a way to stop piracy. Sure they may make it harder but dont think it will ever stop. Just my 2 cents.
There is a difference between stopping piracy and giving our government the ability to police the internet in this fashion. If you give them an inch they're gonna take a mile. This is not communist China, it's the FREE USA. Do not give our government this power.
I have no quims about shutting it down if they are guilty. My thing is if they can do this without sopa, and they can, what is the need for sopa? It's just for the government to have more power as they see fit. F*ing lobbyist! More reason to fight sopa.
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Have you guys ever noticed that all the devs on the i9100 section here use MegaUpload? That **** used to piss me off. Why use such a crappy service when you can easily host it on Dropbox for free and much more easily.
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There is a difference between stopping piracy and giving our government the ability to police the internet in this fashion. If you give them an inch they're gonna take a mile. This is not communist China, it's the FREE USA. Do not give our government this power.
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Very true!
MegaUpload, like other filesharing websites, had no control over what users upload. They also complied with DMCA takedown notices.
So, the actual story behind the Megaupload thing had to do with the Megaupload song they posted, sang by people like Will.I.Am, Kanye West, and some others. What ended up happening was the record company that owned some of these singers, Universal Music Group or w/e, was pissed off and demanded the song be removed off Youtube and it was just going back and forth for a while. In the end, they really took action against Megaupload and now that's why they're currently down. The real war isn't between the artists and people downloading music, it's between the record companies who are apparently being retarded and abusing their power or w/e.
http://torrentfreak.com/universal-censors-megaupload-song-gets-branded-a-rogue-label-111210/
http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/01/20/swizz-beatz-and-the-mystery-of-megaupload/
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204616504577171060611948408.html?KEYWORDS=megaupload
if people stopped putting out bad movies, music, and games then I wouldn't pirate so much. who protects my money when I don't like what I paid for? I buy records of music I like and have over 600. I keep a long list of movies I like for a future shelf filled with 100s of them. I'm in school and making 12k per year. I pirate everything. we don't have imax, arthouse theaters, or good music here. I have to drive 6 hours out then back for a good time. if some rich person can't afford to keep their planes, boats, second and onward homes, and lot of cars - I will not lose sleep. we don't need anti piracy. we need quality control and bigger paychecks.