Charge phone prior to using? - Sprint HTC EVO 4G LTE

Are we going to need to charge this phone for 8-10 prior to first use?
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They always say to do that, but I have never been able to keep hands off a new phone that long.

pdappcgeek said:
Are we going to need to charge this phone for 8-10 prior to first use?
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Usually they come about half charged so you'll be good for a few hours. The 8-10 hour rule was for older battery technology (nickel cadmium), the new kind (lithium polymer I think?) is much more flexible as far as charging schedules. I don't think you have to do anything special for the initial charge.

pdappcgeek said:
Are we going to need to charge this phone for 8-10 prior to first use?
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The better question is can you wait that long?
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Honestly, when you get your phone (and once a month) you should let your battery drain completely (within 2% is a decent rule) and then charge all the way. Do this for 2-3 cycles and you battery will last a lot longer. This is true for any electronics.

Skullmonkey said:
Honestly, when you get your phone (and once a month) you should let your battery drain completely (within 2% is a decent rule) and then charge all the way. Do this for 2-3 cycles and you battery will last a lot longer. This is true for any electronics.
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not quite - the below is from Battery University in regards to lithium ion batteries (which is what's in the evo);
If at all possible, avoid frequent full discharges and charge more often between uses. If full discharges cannot be avoided, try utilizing a larger battery. Partial discharge on Li-ion is fine; there is no memory and the battery does not need periodic full discharge cycles other than to calibrate the fuel gauge on a smart battery.
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And
Lithium-ion is a very clean system and does not need formatting when new, nor does it require the level of maintenance that nickel-based batteries do. The first charge is no different than the fifth or the 50th. Formatting makes little difference because the maximum capacity is available right from the beginning. Nor does a full discharge improve the capacity once faded. In most cases, a low capacity signals the end of life. A discharge/charge may be beneficial for calibrating a “smart” battery, but this service only addresses the digital part of the pack and does nothing to improve the electrochemical battery. Instructions to charge a new battery for eight hours are seen as “old school” from the nickel battery days.
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alainater said:
The better question is can you wait that long?
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LOL..... I ask because I don't want to have to feel guilty about not waiting!
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Ummm.... Yes? Maybe? HELL TO THE NO!

Lithium Polymer batteries are not the same as Lithium Ion batteries.
Avoid draining them to the point the phone shuts off. If they get too low they die.
Never run them down on purpose.
I run RC trucks, I have been using LiPo batteries for several years.
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Honestly, when you get your phone (and once a month) you should let your battery drain completely (within 2% is a decent rule) and then charge all the way. Do this for 2-3 cycles and you battery will last a lot longer. This is true for any electronics.
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not quite - the below is from Battery University in regards to lithium ion batteries (which is what's in the evo);
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If the phone's charge time is roughly 2-4 hours, what will charging it 8-10 accomplish?
The Sprint store opens and activates phones on the spot regardless of charge, which leads me to believe that--while some/most Sprint store Employees aren't very knowledgeable in electronics, I'm sure they would have been told in one of the many meetings they have that you need to not do this and inform the customer of needing to charge their phone for __ amount of time before using it.
At any rate I'm just playing along with the possibility. Of course you don't need to charge your phone any amount of time before using it the first time. Our battery technology has evolved to the point where trying to keep track of charge schedules is irrelevant and not needed. Seriously, if it were, they would have provided a small paper calendar with your phone so that you can mark when the last time you fully discharged it as well as instructions on how to care for your battery.

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not quite - the below is from Battery University in regards to lithium ion batteries (which is what's in the evo);
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While this is accurate, I still always try to full discharge as often as possible. I do this because the phone reads battery information and calibrates the battery percentage based on that.
In my own unscientific research, it seems that frequent charging messes up the battery readings. I know that there was once an article about wiping battery stats being a placebo effect, but it really does seem to help when you wipe, full charge, full discharge. The phone always seems to last longer, but its likely because the phone is properly calibrating the max/min capacity of the battery accurately.
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The batteries in phones anymore do not use memory in the actual cell. The phone itself does keep record of the battery to help protect it, and clearing that out and re-calibrating the battery by draining it can help, but doing full drains to the battery will just reduce the overall life span of the battery.

Unreasnbl said:
Lithium Polymer batteries are not the same as Lithium Ion batteries.
Avoid draining them to the point the phone shuts off. If they get too low they die.
Never run them down on purpose.
I run RC trucks, I have been using LiPo batteries for several years.
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The batteries in phones are not lipos.. they are lithium ion... Putting a lipo in a phone is just asking for death or injury lol..
When the first EVO came out this method was dine to train the phone more then the battery and I still use it.. drain till it turns off.. turn back on..keep doing this till it will not turn on..full charge it.. take off charger and put back on till led is green again. I've never burnt out a battery but I can't professional it helped battery life but as I said when EVO first came out battery life was horrid
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The batteries in phones are not lipos.. they are lithium ion... Putting a lipo in a phone is just asking for death or injury lol..
When the first EVO came out this method was dine to train the phone more then the battery and I still use it.. drain till it turns off.. turn back on..keep doing this till it will not turn on..full charge it.. take off charger and put back on till led is green again. I've never burnt out a battery but I can't professional it helped battery life but as I said when EVO first came out battery life was horrid
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The LG Fusic had a LiPo battery.

Yeah i bet some phones will have no charge after customs played with them for a while and did not turn them off and put them back in for us to get screwed. But you may have a update already apply as well to the phone.

fsuwade said:
Yeah i bet some phones will have no charge after customs played with them for a while and did not turn them off and put them back in for us to get screwed. But you may have a update already apply as well to the phone.
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If I recall correctly, only a sample from each batch was tested and that tested sample was not shipped out to customers.

Yup thats what I heard as well

What I read says this phone has a LiPo battery. They are being used more often in portable electronics than you think.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_polymer_battery
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The batteries in phones are not lipos.. they are lithium ion... Putting a lipo in a phone is just asking for death or injury lol..
When the first EVO came out this method was dine to train the phone more then the battery and I still use it.. drain till it turns off.. turn back on..keep doing this till it will not turn on..full charge it.. take off charger and put back on till led is green again. I've never burnt out a battery but I can't professional it helped battery life but as I said when EVO first came out battery life was horrid
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I heard LiPo as well.
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simple solution.
keep the phone plugged in while you use it. duh.
charge at the wall and your office computer

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Conditioning new battery

Ya... I just got the gsii this morning and I'm very happy with it. Just curious as to do I need to charge the battery for 8h for 3 days or not. Thanks
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No just full charge and use it .
jje
Woo hoooo
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Charge the battery, run it down to zero, charge to full, repeat for the first dozen ours so times, battery life has been improving in each cycle and I also recommend you do the same
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But isn't flattening Lithium Ion batteries bad for them? If you search the internet it often says not to over discharge as well as under charging them also increasing their life span. The older NiMh and NiCd batteries benefited from full discharge and recharge.
Charge the battery, run it down to zero, charge to full, repeat for the first dozen ours so times, battery life has been improving in each cycle and I also recommend you do the same
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If there's one way to send your battery to an early grave, this is it.
Modern batteries are limited by their number of discharge/recharge cycles. Letting the battery drop to 80% and then recharging is the same as letting it drop to 20%.
However, allowing the capacity to drop to zero is a stupid thing to do, since this permanently damages the battery. The battery has its own controller which goes some way towards protecting it, but it's a trade-off between shortening the lifetime and the actually runtime you can get from the battery.
So, to summarise: you're fine letting the battery drop to 10-20% before recharging. Do not allow it to fall below this too often, as you'll shorten the lifespan.
pbrown77 said:
But isn't flattening Lithium Ion batteries bad for them? If you search the internet it often says not to over discharge as well as under charging them also increasing their life span. The older NiMh and NiCd batteries benefited from full discharge and recharge.
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Yes it is 'bad' for Li-on batteries to be run down to zero. Ignore any posts you see saying otherwise.
Just charge it and use it. When possible, top up charge. Li-on batteries do not have memories and do not need to be 'conditioned'.
David Horn said:
If there's one way to send your battery to an early grave, this is it.
Modern batteries are limited by their number of discharge/recharge cycles. Letting the battery drop to 80% and then recharging is the same as letting it drop to 20%.
However, allowing the capacity to drop to zero is a stupid thing to do, since this permanently damages the battery. The battery has its own controller which goes some way towards protecting it, but it's a trade-off between shortening the lifetime and the actually runtime you can get from the battery.
So, to summarise: you're fine letting the battery drop to 10-20% before recharging. Do not allow it to fall below this too often, as you'll shorten the lifespan.
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nobnut said:
Yes it is 'bad' for Li-on batteries to be run down to zero. Ignore any posts you see saying otherwise.
Just charge it and use it. When possible, top up charge. Li-on batteries do not have memories and do not need to be 'conditioned'.
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Hmm, my bad, my Apologies, seems there's some way to go yet for me, I assumed this was the case as I had horrid life out straight out of the box, these discharge cycles helped tremendously, though with that being said I tend to not leave it below 15% now before I charge.
Oh well, live and learn.
Never discharge the battery to less then 10-15% if possible.
Aww crap I discharged it to zero last night. I thought out make sense cause back when I used the nexus one, there was this method of conditioning battery by discharging the battery. Ah well thanks guys
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Nurra said:
Aww crap I discharged it to zero last night. I thought out make sense cause back when I used the nexus one, there was this method of conditioning battery by discharging the battery. Ah well thanks guys
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Won't hurt that much. Contrary to what people say li-ion has limit on amount of recharge applied from whatever level it was applied. Also the phone cuts off before dangerous low levels are reached. However frequently doing this should be avoided.
The biggest danger is leaving phone in discharged state for long period of time as the background discharge (e.g. Power on off button, clock, etc.) will flatten the battery, without the protection circuits and completely ruin it; charging while hot (above 50 to 60 c) will also send battery to an early grave.
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Just got my evo 3d..what should I do about the battery to get the best results?

I got my 2nd battery in 2 day? I have been hearing alot of letting the battery die down or charging then letting the battery die.could someone plz give me the go to guide for long lasting battery and great calibration?
ceddie85 said:
I got my 2nd battery in 2 day? I have been hearing alot of letting the battery die down or charging then letting the battery die.could someone plz give me the go to guide for long lasting battery and great calibration?
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Looking for the samething
Just follow the guide for a Evo 4G. Same things pretty much... auto sync... brightness, haptic... battery just won't calibrate...
ceddie85 said:
I got my 2nd battery in 2 day? I have been hearing alot of letting the battery die down or charging then letting the battery die.could someone plz give me the go to guide for long lasting battery and great calibration?
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just use it for stock it gets pretty good battery life
ok my battery just fully died should I charge it on for 8 hours or charge it with the phone off off until green? which is the best method?
personally I think it's all bull****. Just charge the battery when you need charging. All this calibrating talk is bs.
The battery life on the 3D is significantly better than what the OG Evo was. Therefore I would say that just charging when you need to is probably your best bet. You don't need to Calibrate the battery because Lithium-Ion batteries do not have a memory which would dictate any sort of history.
I have done a lot of reading on www.BatteryUniversity.com and to my understanding with lithium ion you want to avoid a full discharge. With my 3D I have just been running the phone normally and letting the battery drop to around 40% and then fully charging and I have had great battery life.
If you are consumed by how to condition/charge the battery I would suggest reading the articles on Lithium-Ion on that site that I posted.
Hope this helps.
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personally I think it's all bull****. Just charge the battery when you need charging. All this calibrating talk is bs.
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#Winning# said:
You don't need to Calibrate the battery because Lithium-Ion batteries do not have a memory which would dictate any sort of history.
I have done a lot of reading on www.BatteryUniversity.com and to my understanding with lithium ion you want to avoid a full discharge.
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THIS.
I laugh every time I see people saying what they do to charge their battery. Stand on one foot, rub your head and pat your stomach, charge for 8 hours, unplug for two minutes and charge again for an hour, do a barrel roll.
This is nonsense, Lithium-Ion batteries do not have a memory, they can not be trained in any way.
Also you do not have to worry about a full discharge, your phone/battery prevents this. I believe you only have to worry about this when using some serious stuff like RC items like planes, cars etc.
Vesnik said:
THIS.
I laugh every time I see people saying what they do to charge their battery. Stand on one foot, rub your head and pat your stomach, charge for 8 hours, unplug for two minutes and charge again for an hour, do a barrel roll.
This is nonsense, Lithium-Ion batteries do not have a memory, they can not be trained in any way.
Also you do not have to worry about a full discharge, your phone/battery prevents this. I believe you only have to worry about this when using some serious stuff like RC items like planes, cars etc.
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People don't so much train the battery as they train the phone. Like on the OG EVO, when you would do a batt stat wipe, you needed to fully let the battery die and then bring it to a full charge. This was so the phone knew where the battery really was at 0% and 100%.
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thanks everyone for your input
#Winning# said:
The battery life on the 3D is significantly better than what the OG Evo was. Therefore I would say that just charging when you need to is probably your best bet. You don't need to Calibrate the battery because Lithium-Ion batteries do not have a memory which would dictate any sort of history.
I have done a lot of reading on www.BatteryUniversity.com and to my understanding with lithium ion you want to avoid a full discharge. With my 3D I have just been running the phone normally and letting the battery drop to around 40% and then fully charging and I have had great battery life.
If you are consumed by how to condition/charge the battery I would suggest reading the articles on Lithium-Ion on that site that I posted.
Hope this helps.
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how good is ur battery life charging that way u mentioned?
It doesn't take much research on these forums to figure out that Calibrating has nothing to do with the battery. Of course the battery has no memory, nor can you get magical extra capacity out of it.
When you calibrate you are increasing the upper and lower limit of "what the phone" thinks the battery capacity is. Which in turn makes the battery meter "on the phone" more accurate and allows the battery to be charged more completely.
I get an approx 30 mins of extra awake time since I calibrated using the procedures in the Evo 4G thread.
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[Q] Anker battery issues

I recently purchased the Anker battery for my Amaze. I've done the suggested 4 full battery drains and charge, but I've noticed something odd. Right after taking my phone off the charger, the % drops pretty rapidly, roughly 10% in about 30 min, with almost no usage. The level continues to drop pretty rapidly till the % gets down to about 70%, where it seems to stabilize, and drop at a slower rate. Anyone else seen this issue, or know what might be causing it?
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Mine does it too. But it stabilizes around 80% and I can get a good 16hrs with moderate-high usage and about 3hrs screen time. I was reading somewhere that this is a common issue with Anker Batteries.
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Ok, good to know I'm not the only one! Lol.
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Yeah. Same here. I believe it is a driver issue since the battery is not OEM.
hasoon2000 said:
Yeah. Same here. I believe it is a driver issue since the battery is not OEM.
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yap, and the Anker battery is way better than the stock one.
I agree! Once it levels out somewhere around 80%ish, the battery life is amazing! A great investment indeed!
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This isn't a problem with your specific battery, it has to with overcharge prevention.
Essentially, once your battery is fully charged and the LED on your phone flashes green, the phone's battery is no longer charging, and it is actually running on stand-by off of the battery. Perpetually trickle charging the battery would shorten the life of it.
As a result, the battery consumes some energy while the device is in stand-by, but until the device reaches 80% or so, it doesn't start to re-charge. Because it is still plugged in, the device is reporting a full battery, even if it has been running on stand-by for hours on that charge.
There are kernel modifications that can change this, but unless it's an issue for you, I would avoid doing so for the long term preservation of your battery.
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This isn't a problem with your specific battery, it has to with overcharge prevention.
Essentially, once your battery is fully charged and the LED on your phone flashes green, the phone's battery is no longer charging, and it is actually running on stand-by off of the battery. Perpetually trickle charging the battery would shorten the life of it.
As a result, the battery consumes some energy while the device is in stand-by, but until the device reaches 80% or so, it doesn't start to re-charge. Because it is still plugged in, the device is reporting a full battery, even if it has been running on stand-by for hours on that charge.
There are kernel modifications that can change this, but unless it's an issue for you, I would avoid doing so for the long term preservation of your battery.
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Thanks for the explanation!! Kernel mods?? Um, I'll pass... Lol. I can definitely live with it! I'm getting 14+ hrs with moderate-heavy use!
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Could it be the voltage?
I know that the stock amaze battery is a higher voltage than a normal lithium ion (normal is 4.2v, the stock amaze battery is the newish 4.3v lithium ions)
I did a quick search and found something similar with the sensation..
Someone in said thread even mentions voltage
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-1319605.html
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yap, and the Anker battery is way better than the stock one.
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I have two Anker batteries, bought at the same time. Both were conditions per instructions. One of them has great battery time, the other has very poor battery time. I think it is hit or miss with these batteries.
If you're interested, I think you'd be able to get that stabilization (after then initial drop) a little higher if you tried calibrating as per here. I'm at about 90 for the one I calibrated, 80 for the other.
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If you're interested, I think you'd be able to get that stabilization (after then initial drop) a little higher if you tried calibrating as per here. I'm at about 90 for the one I calibrated, 80 for the other.
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Yes, I have done that - it is the instructions that came with the batteries.
Sorry, that was directed at the op, and fwiw conditioning (as per the Anker instructions) is separate from calibration.
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try using the battery calibration app. that always resolves battery issues when flashing new roms (at least for me it does)
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try using the battery calibration app. that always resolves battery issues when flashing new roms (at least for me it does)
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Yes, I do that also, but this has not helped that 2nd Anker battery.

[Q] Charging the battery all the way to 100% is bad?

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Perform shallow discharges.
Instead of discharging to 0% all the time, lithium-ion batteries do best when you discharge them for a little bit, then charge them for a little bit. The table below, from Battery University, shows that discharges to 50% are better for your battery's long-term life than, say, small discharges to 90% or large discharges to 0% (since the 50% discharges provide the best number of cycles-to-usage ratio).
Don't leave it fully charged.
Similarly, lithium-ion batteries don't need to be charged all the way to 100%. In fact, they'd prefer not to be—so the 40%-80% rule you heard is a good guideline. If you do charge it to 100%, don't leave it plugged in. This is something most of us do, but it's another thing that will degrade your battery's health.
Fully discharge it once a month.
This may seem contradictory, but hear us out. While lithium-ion batteries shouldn't be discharged regularly, most modern batteries are what's known as "smart batteries". This feature can get miscalibrated after a lot of shallow discharges. So, manufacturers recommend fully discharging your battery once a month to make sure this stays accurate.
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Is this true?
you can be as neurotic as you like over this, but it really d doesn't make a lot of difference, just enjoy your phone.
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The only big no no is to constantly discharge to below 5% and recharge . That according to the experts leads to a much shorter battery life .
Yes leaving on charge is a waste .
Wiping Battery stats does not improve battery life .
But all this is an old story posted time and again and bring nothing new .
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Yes leaving on charge is a waste
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It may be a waste but is it detrimental to the battery? I always plug my phone in when I go to bed and take it off the charger when I get up in the morning.
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It may be a waste but is it detrimental to the battery? I always plug my phone in when I go to bed and take it off the charger when I get up in the morning.
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there is a built in feature that stops charging once battery level reaches 100%. so there will be no harm to your battery. I have doing the same since gs1
My old Nokia 3510 needed a battery replacement after 4-5 years since it only held 3 days worth of charge instead of the usual 7-8.
I constantly let it discharge from 100% (overnight charging) to empty, the replacement battery cost me 5 bucks.
My Galaxy S1's battery has, after 2 years, no observable loss in capacity with overnight charging to 100% and dropping to 10-15% over 1-2 days.
A replacement battery would cost roughly 15 bucks.
I could go on the same about my Laptop, Netbook, Tablet and other devices with rechargeable Li-Ion batteries.
The point is; don't try to forcefully extend your battery life, enjoy your phone. Most people replace the phone every 1-2 years and the batteries are designed to live that long with high usage and deep-discharging. If yours should not or you plan to keep the phone longer, a replacement battery is cheap.
there is a built in feature that stops charging once battery level reaches 100%.
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All Lithium batteries have it (and need it) since there is a risk of damage, fire or even explosion when it is overcharged. That's why not the phone but the battery itself has the corresponding controller. Since the controller cannot measure the exact capacity of the battery (only an estimate), it is recomended to deep-discharge and fully charge (charge-cycle) the battery once in a while to reset the controller's counter.
Battery replacement is cheap and easy as abc. That's the benefit of having removable battery. Just enjoy your phone.
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So why do Sammy stop charging at 99%
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So why do Sammy stop charging at 99%
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Why don't you just read the thread and you will see the explanation?!
i have always been charging my samsung galaxy note and sIII overnight ever since i got them , i stil have great battery life !
akboiboi said:
i have always been charging my samsung galaxy note and sIII overnight ever since i got them , i stil have great battery life !
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Same here. No broblem.
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Still no one answered my question... :silly:
Is the small 40%-80% charges better for the long-term battery life?

What is the best way to keep battery conditioned

Thanks for everybody's input. I think I've got our down now Lol. But I'd like to keep the discussion open for anyone that would like to be better informed.
New topic: Tips & Tricks for getting the most out of your battery.
Thanks guys!
Don't run it dead regularly (that was for ni batteries), don't charge it all the time (ie topping off everytime you're near a charger). If going to store powered down for long periods do so at like %60 capacity.
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twiggums said:
Don't run it dead regularly (that was for ni batteries), don't charge it all the time (ie topping off everytime you're near a charger). If going to store powered down for long periods do so at like %60 capacity.
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Just to clarify, you saying to not charge when battery it has more than 60% charge remaining? If yes. Then how low do you recommend as to minimum charge left on battery when you plug it in?
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Pure+ said:
It's been a while since I have actually cared about a phone enough to really want to take care of every part of it, including the battery, and I was wondering what the best way to keep it fresh is?
Use until it dies and fully charge every time.
Use until low power warning and recharge.
idk what other methods there are....
Anyway, appreciate any and all tips guys:good:
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Best way is to not worry about it. Only thing you want to avoid is letting it die in standby over and over.
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Just to clarify, you saying to not charge when battery it has more than 60% charge remaining? If yes. Then how low do you recommend as to minimum charge left on battery when you plug it in?
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Sorry I was so brief was at work on lunch.
In the ideal world you'd probably charge around %20-%30. Lithium batteries do not like being over drained or overcharged. Overcharging isn't really an issue since our phone handles charging. Over draining repeatedly will drain max capacity, same with overcharging. The %60 i refer to is a rough number if you were going to be storing the phone powered off for weeks or months, lithium batteries should not be stored at max voltage or drained.
You don't want to be constantly "topping" your battery off either. The life of a lithium battery is generally going to be measured in charge cycles. So charging it every time you're sitting at a charger will really just wear it out faster.
I generally just charge my phone every night when i go to bed. With as long as these phones last on a charge; I've yet to burn through my entire battery in less than a day more than a time or two. Don't put too much thought into it or worry too terribly much. Running it down once or twice isn't going to do much that you'd immediately notice, but doing it every time is certainly not a good idea!
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Sorry I was so brief was at work on lunch.
In the ideal world you'd probably charge around %20-%30. Lithium batteries do not like being over drained or overcharged. Overcharging isn't really an issue since our phone handles charging. Over draining repeatedly will drain max capacity, same with overcharging. The %60 i refer to is a rough number if you were going to be storing the phone powered off for weeks or months, lithium batteries should not be stored at max voltage or drained.
You don't want to be constantly "topping" your battery off either. The life of a lithium battery is generally going to be measured in charge cycles. So charging it every time you're sitting at a charger will really just wear it out faster.
I generally just charge my phone every night when i go to bed. With as long as these phones last on a charge; I've yet to burn through my entire battery in less than a day more than a time or two. Don't put too much thought into it or worry too terribly much. Running it down once or twice isn't going to do much that you'd immediately notice, but doing it every time is certainly not a good idea!
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Okay. Thanks for all the info. It really helps to know that stuff. I'm not to worried about burning through charge cycles. I'm getting 2-3 days of a charge. 4 if I drain it. Battery on this is the best I have even seen. Truly incredible. I don't know how they managed it. But I am absolutely loving it.
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The only thing you need to worry about is not letting your battery reach below 14%. Unless your out or not near a charger it's understandable.
Charge your phone once it hits 14%. Let it fully charge don't interrupt it (unless you have too)
Sometimes don't charge your device to 100% I sometimes charge mines to 90%.
Let the battery die once or twice a month.
Just don't worry about the battery. By time you hit anywhere near 500 charge cycles you'll be on the m9 or a new device.
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The only thing you need to worry about is not letting your battery reach below 14%. Unless your out or not near a charger it's understandable.
Charge your phone once it hits 14%. Let it fully charge don't interrupt it (unless you have too)
Sometimes don't charge your device to 100% I sometimes charge mines to 90%.
Let the battery die once or twice a month.
Just don't worry about the battery. By time you hit anywhere near 500 charge cycles you'll be on the m9 or a new device.
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Why would you only charge to %90? And why would you let it die once a month?
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twiggums said:
Why would you only charge to %90? And why would you let it die once a month?
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Because you wanna train your battery and get the most out of it. A lot of people say those are old rules because these batteries don't have memory cells. But you'll find yourself not needing to replace the battery as fast as you would by just letting it die all the time
I have replaced a cell phone battery yet and I've been using that method since flip phones days
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Because you wanna train your battery and get the most out of it. A lot of people say those are old rules because these batteries don't have memory cells. But you'll find yourself not needing to replace the battery as fast as you would by just letting it die all the time
I have replaced a cell phone battery yet and I've been using that method since flip phones days
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Hhrrmmm. i think you're thinking of nickel based batteries (nicd, nimh, etc). Generally lithium cells really dont like low voltages or have memory.
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Hhrrmmm. i think you're thinking of nickel based batteries (nicd, nimh, etc). Generally lithium cells really dont like low voltages or have memory.
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I think he's correct on the letting it die once every month or so. I did a lot of research on this a while back and ideally you don't let your phone drop below 50% regularly and don't let it sit on the charger all night since its going to be at 100% for many hours before you wake up a li ion batteries prefer to not be at 100%. The discharging it fully will calibrate it and make sure all the cells are being used since if certain cells don't get discharged every so often they start to lose ability to hold a charge. Keep in mind I looked all this up 2 years ago and most of the issues only affect people who keep phones for 2+ years unless the do 100%-0% every day then their battery won't last long.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/do_and_dont_battery_table
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
These phones all have battery protection circuitry built into them.
As the battery approaches 100% charge the charge current reduces to almost nothing to prevent overcharging.
Having said this I would not leave the phone on charge for weeks on end but there is really no reason to worry about taking it off charge the moment it shows 100%.
Likewise for discharge. When the phone indicates that the battery is getting flat it will make sure that even if you run the phone till it dies, the battery will not have been allowed to overdischarge. When your phone switches off software is telling the phone to power down to protect the battery.
Also, to touch upon Lithium battery charge cycles, one charge cycle is the 100% charging of the battery, now keep in mind this can be from 0-100% OR it can also be the sum of multiple chargings up to 100% capacity of the battery
I.e.- charging from 75% to 100% once is not considered a charge cycle to the battery, but do it three more times from 75% (25%x4=100%"rated" capacity) and it considers THAT one charge cycle. So if you charge from 50% regularly, two times charging from 50 to 100% is ONE charging cycle.
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Pure+ said:
Just to clarify, you saying to not charge when battery it has more than 60% charge remaining? If yes. Then how low do you recommend as to minimum charge left on battery when you plug it in?
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Few months back I was speaking with HTC support, the rep said don't put your phone on charge for more then 1 hour with any lithium batteries.
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Few months back I was speaking with HTC support, the rep said don't put your phone on charge for more then 1 hour with any lithium batteries.
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Huh? You saying to only charge it in one hour increments?
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i think the battry in the HTC M8 is really good. it will last for a whole day with no issue. I have beeing testing it and actually I am happy with the resulet
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Allen` said:
Few months back I was speaking with HTC support, the rep said don't put your phone on charge for more then 1 hour with any lithium batteries.
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As usual, speaking with reps can be cause for alarm. In this case, it's obvious he/she was blowing smoke. Read the links posted in the thread.
Updated OP. This is now more of a help thread for those who need it. Thanks for all the info and tips.
Let's keep it going guys!
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