I'm still using an htc inspire, and I've tried att latest and greatest like the note and one x and they haven't been perfect or lack of Rom support that made me run. I just want to be able to flash cm 7 or 9 roms, any other roms I may wish and this att device dev support seems to be going strong. This device is probably considered older now and with the sgs3 coming soon, well by the time it reaches att who knows. Does this device lag with its older processor??
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I'm still using an htc inspire, and I've tried att latest and greatest like the note and one x and they haven't been perfect or lack of Rom support that made me run. I just want to be able to flash cm 7 or 9 roms, any other roms I may wish and this att device dev support seems to be going strong. This device is probably considered older now and with the sgs3 coming soon, well by the time it reaches att who knows. Does this device lag with its older processor??
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One word. Yes.
The device is amazing, I highly reccomend.
What answer do you really expect us to give you other than "yes"? Do you really think people in this forum is going to tell you no? Sounds to me like you already made up your mind to get this phone if you didnt like the Note or the OneX.
How about bln support, is that compatible with most roms? Say cm custom builds whether built in or not?
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What answer do you really expect us to give you other than "yes"? Do you really think people in this forum is going to tell you no? Sounds to me like you already made up your mind to get this phone if you didnt like the Note or the OneX.
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Well people here could also say,just wait for the sgs3....etc etc...just curious to see if it's still highly recommended at this point.
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I'm still using an htc inspire, and I've tried att latest and greatest like the note and one x and they haven't been perfect or lack of Rom support that made me run. I just want to be able to flash cm 7 or 9 roms, any other roms I may wish and this att device dev support seems to be going strong. This device is probably considered older now and with the sgs3 coming soon, well by the time it reaches att who knows. Does this device lag with its older processor??
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I would absolutely recommend this device. It may be considered last year's technology, but the dual core Exynos is still a great processor. The phone doesn't lag on stock firmware, and on the better custom firmwares, it flies. Rom support is unparalleled for a US based phone, partially because of the commonality between the i777 and the international i9100.
It is true that the S3 is on the horizon, but I would honestly rather have my S2 than that monstrosity.
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How about bln support, is that compatible with most roms? Say cm custom builds whether built in or not?
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Sort of. I'm running AOKP right now, which is a purely Google-based rom, and BLN works flawlessly for me(with the right kernel, of course). However, if you run a Samsung based rom, BLN will not natively work for SMS messages. There are workarounds using Tasker profiles, but theyre usually pretty sketchy. Short answer...yes, if you're running the right rom and kernel, BLN is supported.
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How about bln support, is that compatible with most roms? Say cm custom builds whether built in or not?
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Depends on the rom and kernel... But really, is BLN going to make or break your decision?
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Depends on the rom and kernel... But really, is BLN going to make or break your decision?
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Not a deal breaker but a handy feature when you lack an led notification light, I'm using the BlackICE Rom which uses it.
@mattdm that is a good point,dev support seems huge compared to other att android devices.
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Depends on the rom and kernel... But really, is BLN going to make or break your decision?
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BLN can be pretty important to some people. I came from a BlackBerry, so it's almost essential to me to be able to see if I have a text from across the room.
Yes, I still like this phone. Hell the original Galaxy S is still going strong development wise and this one should do the same.
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BLN can be pretty important to some people. I came from a BlackBerry, so it's almost essential to me to be able to see if I have a text from across the room.
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Agreed, that's the only thing I miss from my blackberry
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What answer do you really expect us to give you other than "yes"? Do you really think people in this forum is going to tell you no? Sounds to me like you already made up your mind to get this phone if you didnt like the Note or the OneX.
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Btw, you seem to have a one x as well. What do you think when compared to your sgs2?
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Agreed, that's the only thing I miss from my blackberry
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I miss the keyboard too. It was the one thing that made me choose a BlackBerry over an iPhone four years ago. I still hate the iPhone keyboard because of the lack of haptic feedback and the complete lack of customization options. Android is better though...with so many options for keyboards and setups, it almost makes up for not having physically keys...but I still miss them occasionally.
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Btw, you seem to have a one x as well. What do you think when compared to your sgs2?
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Honestly? Out of the box, the OneX works great. Even though the bootloader is currently locked, the phone works just fine the way it is and nothing really needs to be added to it. However, the OneX does have root and so you can install customs roms, just nor kernels or radios. Several tweaks, mods and roms have been created and flashes successfully.
On the flipside, the GSII is completely unlocked and there are several rom/kernel choices. There is some of the best Dev work done on XDA right here in this forum, so if your really interested in Dev support and choices, this is the phone to get.
Both phones are great. You just have to look at hardware specs, Dev support and see which road you want to take.
A yes from me as well.
For future, up-coming device such sgs3, if it will be released next week or two, then it might worth waiting but in this case, just a rumor, no officially released date yet, it could be months from now and even if released, what happen if it gets locked bootloader? It's not worth waiting if you're ROM-flashaholics.
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A yes from me as well.
For future, up-coming device such sgs3, if it will be released next week or two, then it might worth waiting but in this case, just a rumor, no officially released date yet, it could be months from now and even if released, what happen if it gets locked bootloader? It's not worth waiting if you're ROM-flashaholics.
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Take a look through this thread. No locked bootloaders. I think the dev support on the S3 is going to be huge.
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Take a look through this thread. No locked bootloaders. I think the dev support on the S3 is going to be huge.
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Oh geez, I'm so behind, honestly I don't have time looking elsewhere but the i777 , thanks m8
I picked up the SGSII a month ago and absolutely love it. A huge upgrade from the previous generation (captivate).
I suspect that, much like desktop computers, going from one to two cores is significant, but you get diminishing returns after that.
Only downside is if you want true 4G. I spend so much time with wifi that I don't care.
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Honestly? Out of the box, the OneX works great. Even though the bootloader is currently locked, the phone works just fine the way it is and nothing really needs to be added to it. However, the OneX does have root and so you can install customs roms, just nor kernels or radios. Several tweaks, mods and roms have been created and flashes successfully.
On the flipside, the GSII is completely unlocked and there are several rom/kernel choices. There is some of the best Dev work done on XDA right here in this forum, so if your really interested in Dev support and choices, this is the phone to get.
Both phones are great. You just have to look at hardware specs, Dev support and see which road you want to take.
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I'm definitely taking the dev support road. Thanks.
One of my last concerns is battery life. More of it having to do with charging time. I think I remember with the stock Rom charging times were slow from a wall charger if I remember reading this. Have charging times improved with custom roms/kernels?
I think Samsung devices in general have a bad rep with charging times?
I haven't seen any issues with charge times, but my expectations may be low. I have not timed it, but I would estimate under 3 hours to charge from less than 20% to full.
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So I've been thinking about purchasing a fascinate to use for a while, I want to get the galaxy nexus (like everyone else and their brother) but I'm likely gonna just wait until my upgrade is available in July. I currently have the droid incredible, which I do love, but the fascinate appeals to me due to the hardware (GPU, DAC, SAMOLED) and, possibly, development (part of why I'm here to ask your guys' help/opinions).
I use MIUI currently and would pretty much need to have it on whichever is my next device. I see you guys have MIUI builds and from what I can tell, they are pretty bug-free. Curious to hear if there are any issues that I should know about?
I've heard reports of GPS issues with the fascinate, how is it working for you guys on AOSP roms?
Obviously hacking/modding a Samsung is different than what I'm used to with HTC, but am I correct in assuming that you guys have a lot of options when it comes to tweaking kernels, etc? I guess I'm thinking of things like voodoo sound, and display calibration (things you can't do with HTC phones) but I need to do more reading to figure out what they do and how the work on this device...
I see a lot of references to odin and kies. Are either (or both) necessary for rooting and flashing roms, and are they mac compatible? (Researching this now, google should be able to help me with this)
Since the fascinate's hardware shares similarities with the galaxy nexus, it looks like you guys have one of the most functional ICS roms currently available. With ICS source being released and the similarity to the nexus, do you guys think development will continue to flourish on the fascinate? (At least for another 6-8 months)
Finally, looking around on ebay, it looks like a used fascinate can be had for around $90-$120, does that seem like a fair price?
Thanks in advance for any help, I look forward to hearing your insights and opinions!
Im currently running ics v3 on my fassy and I cant see upgrading my device for a long time. Development is still going fairly strong, people here are very helpful for the most part. I would say its definately worth getting a fascinate if you can score one for a 100 bucks. We also have the most lulz than any other section on xda. I know odin wont work with mac, so I cant help you there...but there are a few threads around here with folks using macs with the fassy. Take some time and read up a bit more...can already tell you have done some lurking. Hope to see ya around here more if you end up getting a i500.o
*oh and gps works really well now with some of the latest rom/kenel combos. On cm7 nighlty 112 w/ glitch kenel I was getting a lock in 10sec & 5ft accuracy. Ics v3 is not quite that good but close.
I can't speak to the price, but the development here is excellent despite the phone's age. We have an excellent selection of both TouchWiz-based ROMs and AOSP MTD ROMs. As for kernels, we have at least 3 in each category between here in XDA and Rootzwiki (many of the AOSP ROMs and kernels can also be downloaded from ROM Manager if you don't want to go to Rootzwiki.
Has anyone seen John Connor?
Thanks and thanks!
I feel like I'm probably a little spoiled already since the dev support behind the incredible is pretty strong, but from what I've seen, there's a lot of active development going on here too. Also, most of the activity in the inc dev section is related to sense roms, which I couldn't be less interested in anyway.
The big thing for me is the ICS development going forward, I just see a lot more happening with the fascinate as opposed to the incredible. Basically, us incredible users aren't going to get a fully functional ICS build until a similar HTC device gets upgraded or Qualcomm updates the drivers for our old hardware (probably not gonna happen). I am skeptical as to how quickly HTC will be upgrading their devices to 4.0, and even when that does happen, it will only be newer models meaning, our devs will have to do some driver/EGL hacking and backporting to get HW acceleration working (as I understand, at least). So bottom line, it's just not looking that great for ICS on the incredible, at least for a while, but since the fascinate's GPU is the same as the galaxy nexus', you already have HW accelerated ICS, which is amazing!
I do have some other things I'm curious about with the fascinate, more so hacking Samsungs in general, but I'm pretty sure some searching should yield results, I don't wanna be asking things that have already been gone over! Thanks again, and I'd love to hear more input/opinions/advice, or if anyone could point me in the direction of some good rooting/ROM FAQs. I've looked around here but some of the stickies are either old or have broken links, still gotta check out the fascinate section at rootz though.
EDIT: droidstyle - just saw your guide over at rootzwiki, awesome.
Welp, after researching it, I went for it. Should be here Friday or Saturday so I'll be seeing you guys around!
Welcome
Has anyone seen John Connor?
and a hearty welcome to you good sir. Seriously I would say that that this is one of the easiest devices to get up and running on custom goodies.
ODIN is absolutlely indespensible and a necessity along with updated Samsung drivers. After that all you need to do is ODIN the appropriate CWM Recovery and flash your Rom of choice
Of course read up first so get the right stuff downloaded but that is the gist of it, couldn't get much simpler lol
"I didn't say that...my Fascinate has a tiny troll inside it."
Hey, thanks guys! Really looking forward to getting my feet wet in the Samsung realm. I'm not seeing many options as far as running Odin on mac (aside from running in a VM, which can be wonky), but fortunately I have access to a windows machine. I'll probably be using the guide droidstyle put up on root wiki for rooting and flashing my first couple rooms, but if anyone is aware of some other good guides, I'd love to check em out.
Heimdall is an open source alternative to odin. Its available in osx, linux, and windows. I personally prefer it.sure to its greater granularity.
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This device is one of the hardest devices to brick also. Odin usually fixes all.. And if you're smoking crack while flashing and find that you have tried to flash ios or wp7 while in your mind jelly state. The fascinate has the unbrickable mod. But really unless your flashing roms for other devices or force feeding it pastrami sandwiches through the battery cover you won't need it
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Haha, that's good to head since I do like to spark myself up a crack rock whilst flashing rooms But really, I'm pretty good with fully reading and following directions so I've never been too worried about a brick but it's nice to know that the phone is resilient like that.
I'm gonna have to do some research on this heimdall tool, sounds like that could be what I need if I don't wanna mess around with drivers and windows nonsense.
Also, it looks like I was wrong about the incredible and ICS, our devs are working on getting HW acceleration fully working as we speak. Oh well, I already ordered the fassy still has some distinct advantages like the DAC, GPU, and screen, things that simply can't be improved on the incredible with software. Only thing I'm a little worried about is the GPS issues that seem to be more hardware related with the galaxy s phones, I'll just have to see how it goes.
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Haha, that's good to head since I do like to spark myself up a crack rock whilst flashing rooms But really, I'm pretty good with fully reading and following directions so I've never been too worried about a brick but it's nice to know that the phone is resilient like that.
I'm gonna have to do some research on this heimdall tool, sounds like that could be what I need if I don't wanna mess around with drivers and windows nonsense.
Also, it looks like I was wrong about the incredible and ICS, our devs are working on getting HW acceleration fully working as we speak. Oh well, I already ordered the fassy still has some distinct advantages like the DAC, GPU, and screen, things that simply can't be improved on the incredible with software. Only thing I'm a little worried about is the GPS issues that seem to be more hardware related with the galaxy s phones, I'll just have to see how it goes.
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You will really like it from the incredible. So much of an upgrade. Its like a mini galaxy nexus (get it?) And its gpu is, however, pleasing.
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Only thing I'm a little worried about is the GPS issues that seem to be more hardware related with the galaxy s phones, I'll just have to see how it goes.
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As far as i can see GPS is only an issue with TouchWiz based Roms, and even then there are "fixes" in place that improve performance.
I've never had an issue on any of the AOSP Roms. Thr first cold lock takes time but after that it is fine. You can also grab an app from the market called GPSAids, it is made specifically for Galaxy S devices and if nothing else is a good way to check satalites in view/in use and such.
"I didn't say that...my Fascinate has a tiny troll inside it."
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You will really like it from the incredible. So much of an upgrade. Its like a mini galaxy nexus (get it?) And its gpu is, however, pleasing.
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I feel like it's sort of a galaxy nexus "lite", which sounds intriguing to me. I'd definitely like to spend a little time with a Samsung device before upgrading to the nexus later on, I'm looking forward to it!
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As far as i can see GPS is only an issue with TouchWiz based Roms, and even then there are "fixes" in place that improve performance.
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Thank you, that is good to know as I don't plan on running anything but AOSP roms anyway. It's just an issue I've seen brought up in multiple reviews, but since they're reviewing stock software, that would make sense.
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I feel like it's sort of a galaxy nexus "lite", which sounds intriguing to me. I'd definitely like to spend a little time with a Samsung device before upgrading to the nexus later on, I'm looking forward to it!
Thank you, that is good to know as I don't plan on running anything but AOSP roms anyway. It's just an issue I've seen brought up in multiple reviews, but since they're reviewing stock software, that would make sense.
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Yes. Jt1134 "changed permissions" for the gps. aosp gps locks in seconds while indoors now..
Can't believe Samsung fails so bad at coding. But hey they keep making bleeding edge phones, and jt1134 keeps buying Samsung. Then Samsung is the only phones I'll be using. Thanks jt
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Great bargain phone
I agree that Jt1134 is doing great thing with this phone, we can't lose with the potential growth that he has already made available.
Don
PS my daughter (almost 16) is ready for ICS and just need the camera to work for it to be perfect, otherwise how can a teenager live without a camera?)
Lectruck said:
I agree that Jt1134 is doing great thing with this phone, we can't lose with the potential growth that he has already made available.
Don
PS my daughter (almost 16) is ready for ICS and just need the camera to work for it to be perfect, otherwise how can a teenager live without a camera?)
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The camera has been working on Jt's ICS for awhile now.
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Yes. Jt1134 "changed permissions" for the gps. aosp gps locks in seconds while indoors now..
Can't believe Samsung fails so bad at coding. But hey they keep making bleeding edge phones, and jt1134 keeps buying Samsung. Then Samsung is the only phones I'll be using. Thanks jt
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My GPS concerns were definitely put to rest after flashing an AOSP rom (MIUI in my case), I'm getting just as good, if not better, GPS performance as I was with my previous device. There are a couple lingering issues: data either going out entirely or being unusably slow, phantom soft button presses, and non-functional BLN.
But all in all, I like this device way more than the incredible, the amount of control you have with voodoo sound/color & voltage control paired with glitch is amazing. And I haven't even gotten around to trying ICS yet!
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My GPS concerns were definitely put to rest after flashing an AOSP rom (MIUI in my case), I'm getting just as good, if not better, GPS performance as I was with my previous device. There are a couple lingering issues: data either going out entirely or being unusably slow, phantom soft button presses, and non-functional BLN.
But all in all, I like this device way more than the incredible, the amount of control you have with voodoo sound/color & voltage control paired with glitch is amazing. And I haven't even gotten around to trying ICS yet!
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Phantom button presses are the norm for this device, I think everyone gets them for the most part. As far as slow data, are you refering to how slow the theme browser is on MIUI or just in general. I know the theme browser is painfully slow but i never had issue with anything else. What modem are you using? On AOSP Roms EC09 seems to be a fan favorite so to speak and has always been the best for me. Also if data drops out toggle airplane mode on then off, should bring it back.
For BLN do you have BLN Control or Blinky installed from the market? It will not work without one of those installed. Blinky is free but I think BLN Control (the paid version) is well worth it since it has more options to fiddle with.
Hope this helps lol
"I didn't say that...my Fascinate has a tiny troll inside it."
Just curious..Where have all the Devs gone? The first few days the dev section seemed to be on fire! I haven't seen anything new pop up in a bit. I'm sure I'm not the only one who can be asking this question. I know they do this as hobby/passion and for free which is why I'm simply asking for "proof of life".lol.
Anyone know of anything in the works? Giving me even more of a reason to check the forums 100 times a day like a true flashaholic ;-)
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Just curious..Where have all the Devs gone? The first few days the dev section seemed to be on fire! I haven't seen anything new pop up in a bit. I'm sure I'm not the only one who can be asking this question. I know they do this as hobby/passion and for free which is why I'm simply asking for "proof of life".lol.
Anyone know of anything in the works? Giving me even more of a reason to check the forums 100 times a day like a true flashaholic ;-)
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Take a walk outside for some fresh air.
Messages like these will not motivate any dev in getting 'cracking'.
what do you mean, it is doing just fine.....they have been plugging away at getting CWM working....which without leaves most users at a disadvantage cuz some people just seem to have issues with oden and ADB. now that they have an alpha of CWM roms will be coming next. and i also think that since ICS is coming up the future that devs are waiting for that. why keep dropping ginger roms? and i see them working on ICS roms as well. we have a stable ginger rom in TPC's/da g's kernel mix. i still see the same devs working and plugging away and we have more now than we did 2 weeks ago...
they are working, and like you said.... they are working on there own time and for FREE.
we should all be greatful. when they stop working be worried.
I think ICS is in the works. The DEV just wants to clean up some of the other issues he is working on. Yes this is vague but I do not want to over step my bounds.
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I too am eager however the one and only rom we have is stable. I can wait for ICS as long as it takes. We have an overclock kernel as well. With other devices I have seen dozens of roms and dozens of kernels with only one or two having full functionality. We have been very fortunate. With that said there seems to be less than the usual amount of Development on this device but remember this is brand new. It takes a while... with the streak we only had a few devs and even then at one point really only one dev. Give it a few weeks. If not do like I am and imerse yourself in reading on how to make roms. I develop android apps and have a few in the market, now that does not qualify me to make roms it does mean that I have the ability to learn like many others could do if they were motivated to do so.
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Take a walk outside for some fresh air.
Messages like these will not motivate any dev in getting 'cracking'.
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I THOUGHT I made it clear that was not my intention at all. Thanks for the other responses they actually answered my question. There are many people like me who are fairly new to this. I am coming from the inspire and when I first got it there were tons of roms available, but I got it 4 months after launch. Then I realized I could have been using the desire HD roms. Can the international rooms be flashed using Odin?
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Can the international rooms be flashed using Odin?
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NO. You will brick your device if you try to flash international ROMs, as they have a different processor as well as other various differences that essentially make them completely different beasts with the same form factor.
Reading a bit more would inform you as to why development is slow right now and why you can't flash international ROMs.
To give you the sparknotes version of what's going on however:
As others have said, we only have an alpha version of CWM, so devs are working on getting that polished up.
Second, devs are working on a way to get around the flash counter, so that you do not have any problems with a warranty exchange in the future. If you don't care about your warranty or want to risk a return with a triggered flash counter, go for it. Other phones have had their flash counter bypassed, so I'm sure our talented devs will come up with a solution fairly soon.
Also, as others have mentioned, we have one stable ROM already, and a great kernel, so that should solve most problems with using the stock ROM until more development occurs.
Lastly, with ICS on the horizon, there is not really a good reason to produce a ton of GB ROMs, so be patient and use the stable one we have already until ICS drops in a few months or so.
The longest anybody has had this device is 11 days right now, and we already have a stable ROM and OC/UV capable kernel. In my opinion, that's a damn good start, and I have a feeling that development will eventually be huge on this device. Give it a few months. =]
So funny how everyone keeps talking about ICS like its coming in two weeks! Btw the release date for that that everyone think is coming soon is for the International version!
Big Dogg Infuse I997 ZeusB5 ICS!
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So funny how everyone keeps talking about ICS like its coming in two weeks! Btw the release date for that that everyone think is coming soon is for the International version!
Big Dogg Infuse I997 ZeusB5 ICS!
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Nobody here referenced the international release of official ICS. I think most people here know that it doesn't mean anything for our devices. However, it will be here eventually, and devs are most likely already working on porting over an unofficial version.
The phone been out a week. Lmao, wow
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Nobody here referenced the international release of official ICS. I think most people here know that it doesn't mean anything for our devices. However, it will be here eventually, and devs are most likely already working on porting over an unofficial version.
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There are various dev versions of ICS cooking as we speak; and, I also wouldn't be surprised if Samsung surprises everyone with an official version on/around March 15th... including a US version.
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There are various dev versions of ICS cooking as we speak; and, I also wouldn't be surprised if Samsung surprises everyone with an official version on/around March 15th... including a US version.
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I feel the same way. ATT and Samsung know they need to do something to pull ahead of android competition; they've done it with quality android hardware, now they need to do it with consumer peace-of-mind on the software upgrade front. Nowhere has Samsung said that ICS for "international note" is coming in Q1 2012. They merely say it is coming to the "note", period. I think ICS will come for the US variant sooner rather than later. I know when I got my Atrix, people whined and hollared that it would never get GB. ATT delivered GB very soon, to the scorn of the red-faced naysayers. I know the Atrix was Motorola, but its still an example of a carrier pushing a fast update. Samsung is an excellent company, especially with their Android devices. If any company leads the way for quicker full-product-line android upgrades, I'd expect it to be them.
Pure speculation and I'm maybe totally wrong, but I think the US Note will see ICS very soon.
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thank you guys and gals
This is the downside of getting a newly launched device. I went thru it with the asus transformer 101. That was a little painful in the beginning, but the brilliant minds solved all the problems. It took about a month to really get rolling.
I picked up the Infuse about a year after launch and it was humming within 3 days cause all the hard work had already been done by those great minds in their forum.
The advantage with the Note is it's really great as a stock phone out of the box.
The smart guys and gals here want to advance just as much as we want them to succeed in making this Note the best it can be. So, Patience, and let them work. When they have something good they will be shouting it as loud as can be.
Support and good words go along way. We appreciate you guys more than you know! Thank you for all your efforts, and time away from your work, family, friends and hobbies to devote to this great piece of hardware.
this forum has gotten more action in the past week then the atrix did in the first 2 months. lol.
Damn you guys that are coming from other forums are spoiled!!! I remember waiting foreeevveer just to flash something on the atrix.. and then when CWM came out i was like "wtf is a CWM?" (atrix was my first android).
Stock rom on this phone is doing pretty well for me .Froze all the bloat, not using touchwiz -- and its like i dont even have anything from Samsung on there (besides the SPEN).
I can do without a rom until ICS comes out.. and that is going to do wonders for this device. ICS on the ATRIX is like a breath of fresh air, cant wait to see it on this beast.
Your right, I guess I was kinda spoiled coming from the inspire/desire HD forums. I never realized how long it takes to get things up and running. I apologize if I came off as being impatient. Again that was NOT my intention. I love these forums and appreciate the Devs hard work immensely.
On another "Note" (I know,I know, sorry) I was at best buy mobile last night where I know a couple sales reps and they mentioned that they hoped someone ported over Ics soon as the Samsung rep they spoke with at their store said Ics won't be coming our way for a good while. I myself take that with a grain of salt though. Do you think that a Samsung sales rep would even really know the Ics release schedule?
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Its easy to see all the new users. It takes time. Plus why worry about a flash counter? Do any of you know of anyone or heard of anyone having issues with that? I havent and flashed my skyrocket alot before i turned it in. Seems to just be a way to make n00bs worry. And its working
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Its easy to see all the new users. It takes time. Plus why worry about a flash counter? Do any of you know of anyone or heard of anyone having issues with that? I havent and flashed my skyrocket alot before i turned it in. Seems to just be a way to make n00bs worry. And its working
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Agree so hard
Can't figure out all the freaking out over the flash counters at all. There are no known complications with this. Plus, are you just going to avoid all customization for good? Why not just get started now??
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Can't figure out all the freaking out over the flash counters at all. There are no known complications with this. Plus, are you just going to avoid all customization for good? Why not just get started now??
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I guess I never looked too far into the flash counter. I had read a few threads about it, and people seemed to be convinced that AT&T would get fussy about it. I suppose it doesn't really mean much if you end up putting your phone back to stock and unrooting before returning it. If it wasn't for rooting and such, developers couldn't make apps and flash stuff to the phone, so I guess it doesn't really make sense at all why they would care if the device has been flashed with something else, especially if it is returned to a stock state for a return.
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Can't figure out all the freaking out over the flash counters at all. There are no known complications with this. Plus, are you just going to avoid all customization for good? Why not just get started now??
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I mean I'm at least waiting for more than one ROM, when there are a good supply of awesome ROMs I'll jump right in.
Lol. It's not like all the Dev's aren't answering posts in their respective forums...
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Hello All,
I want to start off with a very big thank you to everyone in this community, everyone here has been very helpful to someone who is a general noob to HTC-Android devices (last HTC I owned was a TPII).
With that out of the way, I've had my Rezound for about a week and I love this phone. It feels great in the hand, has a gorgeous screen that is second to none, and an amazing camera that I'm happy to walk around with in case I need to grab a quick picture of something. Truly, this is a top notch device.
The problem I'm having is that after a week of owning this phone, I'm ready to leave stock. I was settled on CleanROM ICS for the time being until CM9 came out, but then I did some reading looking into CM9 which brought up a few questions.
1) What is S-Off and why is it important? Coming from a Droid X, I thought the important thing was an unlocked Bootloader. Why are other HTC Phones "S-Offed" and this one isn't? How does this affect ROM Development? Does this hurt the chances of CM9 making it to the Rezond (very hard to tell because they have not announced CM9 device support other than the G-Nex)?
2) What is the RIL and why is it important? This seems to be a problem amongst developers.
The main reason I bought this phone over the G-Nex was the SD-Card slot, the camera, and the screen. If development of an AOSP or AOKP is going to be lackluster because of the issues above, I still have one week to return the device and go back to my X for the time being. I will admit, I'm loving 4G, but I'm going to have this device for 2 years; I need to make sure I can get as much as I can out of this device.
Thank you as always for your answers!
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1) What is S-Off and why is it important? Coming from a Droid X, I thought the important thing was an unlocked Bootloader. Why are other HTC Phones "S-Offed" and this one isn't? How does this affect ROM Development? Does this hurt the chances of CM9 making it to the Rezond (very hard to tell because they have not announced CM9 device support other than the G-Nex)?
2) What is the RIL and why is it important? This seems to be a problem amongst developers.
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The 2 questions you have are very related. What it means, from what I understand, is custom radio developments. Also referring to your first question and your concern, that's what we are waiting on. To not rely on a leak for custom roms and to get an official OTA to base the roms off of, which refers back to your 2nd question if this device can't get s-off capability. We already have a way to flash custom kernels & roms, so at this time, s-off would just add the functionality of creating a custom radio.
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The 2 questions you have are very related. What it means, from what I understand, is custom radio developments. Also referring to your first question and your concern, that's what we are waiting on. To not rely on a leak for custom roms and to get an official OTA to base the roms off of, which refers back to your 2nd question if this device can't get s-off capability. We already have a way to flash custom kernels & roms, so at this time, s-off would just add the functionality of creating a custom radio.
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So what makes custom radios important?
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it's more of nodding radios and not creating them. the only advantage is possibly better signal(depending on location,prl and tower) which leads to better voice quality but since this is high end as it is it might not even make a better difference even with possible data speed increases.
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it's more of nodding radios and not creating them. the only advantage is possibly better signal(depending on location,prl and tower) which leads to better voice quality but since this is high end as it is it might not even make a better difference even with possible data speed increases.
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It sounds to me like an excuse not to develop on this device if this is really something stopping us from a solid AOSP or AOKP build.
I'm really torn. I want a Sense-less ICS ROM, but I really love this phone. I have a week left before I can return it. I suppose worst case I could steal my wife's upgrade in May and give her this phone if we don't see development start picking up.
Unrelated, I'm starting to think this device will never see a solid 5.0 build. CM9 isn't even out of beta and official device support is still showing CM7 devices.
I guess it's a tough decision. At least my wife is willing to take this phone.
The radio isn't the issue. The RIL in android is. I don't know of any android devices that have needed modded radios in order to get AOSP working. There is a working build of MIUI with 4G working... but it seems like the dev wants to get it perfect before he releases it. Once that is done we should be able to get CM9.
But by all means though, if you don't like sense, get a nexus. It is possible nothing will ever be released though so don't hinge your plans on it.
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The radio isn't the issue. The RIL in android is. I don't know of any android devices that have needed modded radios in order to get AOSP working. There is a working build of MIUI with 4G working... but it seems like the dev wants to get it perfect before he releases it. Once that is done we should be able to get CM9.
But by all means though, if you don't like sense, get a nexus. It is possible nothing will ever be released though so don't hinge your plans on it.
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So con247- Do you think there is a chance that an ASOP ril will never be developed?
I guess my question is- how is the rezound>RIL>sense different than rezound>RIL>ASOP? If that makes sense?
It is possible it won't ever happen, but I have 99% faith it will be completed soonish.
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It sounds to me like an excuse not to develop on this device if this is really something stopping us from a solid AOSP or AOKP build.
I'm really torn. I want a Sense-less ICS ROM, but I really love this phone. I have a week left before I can return it. I suppose worst case I could steal my wife's upgrade in May and give her this phone if we don't see development start picking up.
Unrelated, I'm starting to think this device will never see a solid 5.0 build. CM9 isn't even out of beta and official device support is still showing CM7 devices.
I guess it's a tough decision. At least my wife is willing to take this phone.
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Seems like an odd thing to buy a phone on the expectation of AOSP. I'm pretty sure we will see a solid AOSP ROM before long though. Not sure how development is going to pick up much more than it is. We have a ton of great ROMs that these awesome devs have been working on tirelessly since before the unlock was even announced. It's only been four months since the phone came out. The development has been moving at breakneck speed! The lack of flashing unsigned radios has no bearing on ROM developing. Con is dead on. Patience folks.
Any idea on when at&t LG optimus g will be getting the 4.1.2 update? Or even just a 4.1 jellybean. I'm guessing it'll be 4.1.2. Since sprints version just got. Also I'm guessing this is why this device. Doesn't have so many. Roms as of yet.. maybe everyone is just waiting for. A. Ota. Jellybean
noone knows when AT&T will roll out the jelly bean update. there are some jelly bean roms in development section you can try out.
Yeah I'm so eager to try it out but I just got my phone yesterday lol I'm.probably gonna wait alil bit til I root and rom my phone
I'm waiting for keylime pie.
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What I ment was I'm guessing the devs for this device are waiting for the jellybean update. That's why there's not to many roms,I'm sure once jellybean hits this device everyone will start making roms. There's really no point in making roms since its on 4.0.4 make a rom jellybean hits then devs have to rebase and remake there whole rom so might as well wait.. hopefully its true though chus this is a really nice device to not have any support/roms
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What I ment was I'm guessing the devs for this device are waiting for the jellybean update. That's why there's not to many roms,I'm sure once jellybean hits this device everyone will start making roms. There's really no point in making roms since its on 4.0.4 make a rom jellybean hits then devs have to rebase and remake there whole rom so might as well wait.. hopefully its true though chus this is a really nice device to not have any support/roms
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Have you looked st the developer section? There's ROMs already out that are based on native code. The part where you say to not have any support or ROMs is far from true.
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Have you looked st the developer section? There's ROMs already out that are based on native code. The part where you say to not have any support or ROMs is far from true.
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Have you? Last time I checked converting your phone into a nexus 4 is a mod not a rom and if you check again there's only 2 roms available that's currently about up to date everything else has stoped,that's what I ment with more support/roms.yeah I can see there roms available but for this device I think it deserves way more support than that
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Have you? Last time I checked converting your phone into a nexus 4 is a mod not a rom and if you check again there's only 2 roms available that's currently about up to date everything else has stoped,that's what I ment with more support/roms.yeah I can see there roms available but for this device I think it deserves way more support than that
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Stop whining about AT&T and do something about it. As in, try the Original Android Development forum. We have AOSP, AOKP, and CM10.1 mostly functional. I agree some more ROMs would be neat, but really, what are you so desperate for?
That said, I have an honest question: Aside from maybe PA, what are we still missing out on ROM-wise? 30 reskins of AOKP?
Edit: Sorry about the tone, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who's sick of seeing this thread over and over again. Official 4.1.2 will come when it comes, but why not run an 80% functional 4.2.2 today?
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nobody is whining about anything,I can't give my honest opinion? Is there really something wrong with me speaking out? You ppl are are bashing on this device just chus it s made by lg with lg's u.I. I bet all the money in the world that if this device had htcs name on it or samsung this phone would be filled with roms and support. But no that's not the case just chus its lg and so many ppl hating on lg it has lack of support that's all I'm saying with this awsome device it has potential to have way more support
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Stop whining about AT&T and do something about it. As in, try the Original Android Development forum. We have AOSP, AOSP, and CM10.1 mostly functional. I agree some more ROMs would be neat, but really, what are you so desperate for?
That said, I have an honest question: Aside from maybe PA, what are we still missing out on ROM-wise? 30 reskins of AOKP?
Edit: Sorry about the tone, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who's sick of seeing this thread over and over again. Official 4.1.2 will come when it comes, but why not run an 80% functional 4.2.2 today?
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X2. There's a fully functioning 4.1.2 that SnowLeopardJB created, in addition to the ones mentioned above. The 4.2.3 roms don't have fully functioning GPS or camera, but they will have them shortly. Synergye's created an AOSP rom, that's using the latest Android developments, that will put this device ahead of the N4, once the quirks are worked out. Reskins aren't ROM's, so leaving that nuance out, what ROM are you looking for that you can't run today?
One addition: If you bought this phone thinking that AT&T was going to support it, you didn't do your research. Apple and Samsung are the only devices that receive any support from AT&T. That's because the former does it's own device support and the latter has enough market share that they can enforce their will on AT&T.
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Have you? Last time I checked converting your phone into a nexus 4 is a mod not a rom and if you check again there's only 2 roms available that's currently about up to date everything else has stoped,that's what I ment with more support/roms.yeah I can see there roms available but for this device I think it deserves way more support than that
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yes i have. i have jelly bean on my LGOG right now and it is fully functional. you're saying there's no support or roms out for this device when that just isnt true. there's even a 4.2.2 rom out that can do everything except camera and GPS. and those will be fixed soon. so what i'm saying is if you say there's little support then you just arent seeing everything in this forum that is out. if you refuse to flash jelly bean on your phone right now then that's the choice you make to stick with ICS. you have the chance to get jelly bean on your LGOG right now, you're just deciding not to.
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X2. There's a fully functioning 4.1.2 that SnowLeopardJB created, in addition to the ones mentioned above. The 4.2.3 roms don't have fully functioning GPS or camera, but they will have them shortly. Synergye's created an AOSP rom, that's using the latest Android developments, that will put this device ahead of the N4, once the quirks are worked out. Reskins aren't ROM's, so leaving that nuance out, what ROM are you looking for that you can't run today?
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That was the core of my question. AOSP, AOKP, CM10.1, and ParanoidAndroid are the only major ROMs I've heard of, and we have all but the last one. This is my first Android device, so I wasn't sure if there was really something big we were still missing.
As for why this phone if I knew AT&T sucked? I needed a new phone when there was still no idea when the Nexus 4 would come back in stock, so I got what was thought to be the next best thing. Honestly, with AOSP, this will be even better than the N4 once the GPS and camera are working.
And I can always convert a year down the road when everyone moves on.
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As you've said in your other thread, you are new to this phone. Which means others have had this phone for a while. Whatever question(s) you might have probably has been asked and answered or at least discussed before already.
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nobody is whining about anything,I can't give my honest opinion? Is there really something wrong with me speaking out? You ppl are are bashing on this device just chus it s made by lg with lg's u.I. I bet all the money in the world that if this device had htcs name on it or samsung this phone would be filled with roms and support. But no that's not the case just chus its lg and so many ppl hating on lg it has lack of support that's all I'm saying with this awsome device it has potential to have way more support
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Correction: you are whining. Most of us love the device for A) basically being a suped up nexus B) first proper krait device with an sd card slot on att and C) for being really cheap on contract
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DeathmonkeyGTX said:
Correction: you are whining. Most of us love the device for A) basically being a suped up nexus B) first proper krait device with an sd card slot on att and C) for being really cheap on contract
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Correction:saying what I want to say in my opinion is not whining in the comandments that's called "freedom of speech" not whining. You have a problem with that go rewrite the comandment with whining instead of freedom of speech chus I'm just stating my own opinion
Commandments? Are you referring to the Bill of Rights? You do know that that same freedom of speech is also extended to anyone who wants to say you are whining, right?
Anyway, enough of the childish back and forth. As stated myriad times in this forum, as is usually the case, no one knows for sure when we'll get JB from AT&T. We have some great devs working on giving us fully functional CM, AOKP and CFX. Patience is a virtue, and we'll be getting some more love soon.
In the meantime, what's missing from the stock experience? You want Google Now? You can get it. Other than that it's just as smooth as JB.
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Correction:saying what I want to say in my opinion is not whining in the comandments that's called "freedom of speech" not whining. You have a problem with that go rewrite the comandment with whining instead of freedom of speech chus I'm just stating my own opinion
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But when you're opinion is wrong, then that would be considered either a) not knowledgable of the facts, or b) whining...as others have said, if you want 10 different versions of AOSP or CM10.1, or 15 versions of the current kernel, then this may not be the phone for you. I could say that my opinion is that the sky is red, but just because I've stated that's my opinion doesn't make it correct. The current version of JB on this device works 100% and is smooth as any phone I've ever used...ever (and I've had all the latest and greatest). You never answered someone's earlier question...what is it exactly that you want that is not being offered at this time?
You may be new to the phone, but you're not new to the forums. So I'm hoping within the last ~2.5 years you've noticed that there's a search feature. Considering this phone has been out for 5-6 months?, correct me if I'm wrong, this question was bound to be asked several times. If you don't want people complaining about your complaining, then it's advised to look through the forums. Feel free to be ungrateful for what the devs of this community has given us, but it's not like you've made anything. If you're in such a hurry, build a rom yourself.
Hey there community!
So my Nexus 4 had a little accident involving a ladder the other day. Let's just say this bad boy I'm currently typing on loses more and more of its screen every day, soon it'll be totally unusable.
So I'm going to be buying an HTC One off of Kijiji. Would this switch make me happy? Anyone that's been on the Nexus line or people that just love the phone, what do You think? I know development is nowhere as 'busy' and I do love the physical look of the phone, but I just want to hear your thoughts.
Also, regarding rooting and flashing... I hear you have to flash kernels through ADB or something? Is that the same for ROMs if true? I also noticed the international forum is much more active. Being a Pentaband and device, does that mean we can one flash ROMs from this forum? I'm not sure.
Also how friendly is this community ?
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Hey there community!
So my Nexus 4 had a little accident involving a ladder the other day. Let's just say this bad boy I'm currently typing on loses more and more of its screen every day, soon it'll be totally unusable.
So I'm going to be buying an HTC One off of Kijiji. Would this switch make me happy? Anyone that's been on the Nexus line or people that just love the phone, what do You think? I know development is nowhere as 'busy' and I do love the physical look of the phone, but I just want to hear your thoughts.
Also, regarding rooting and flashing... I hear you have to flash key els through ADB or something? Is that the same for ROMs if true? I also noticed the international forum is much more active. Being a Pentaband and device, does that mean we can one flash ROMs from this forum? I'm not sure.
Also how friendly is this community ?
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Well the only nexus i've had was the nexus 4 and i can say i am very happy. I have had no regrets. I dont know what you mean by key els through adb but rom flashing is done similar to all other phones, through recovery.
You mention about flashing roms from this forum, are you gonna buy the tmobile version? if not then this is probably not the best place to post. I can say the tmobile version is compatible with most (probably all) international roms. I have not ran into a rom i could not flash from that forum.
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Well the only nexus i've had was the nexus 4 and i can say i am very happy. I have had no regrets. I dont know what you mean by key els through adb but rom flashing is done similar to all other phones, through recovery.
You mention about flashing roms from this forum, are you gonna buy the tmobile version? if not then this is probably not the best place to post. I can say the tmobile version is compatible with most (probably all) international roms. I have not ran into a rom i could not flash from that forum.
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Good news to hear.
I meant kernels*. I was reading something about this "S" thing supported by this phone which makes it so you have to flash kernels over adb rather than recovery, I'm a but unclear here.
Also I am going to be buying the T Mobile version, soley for the pentaband tech, because I'll be running it with Mobilicity here in Canada. So that's more good news that I can flash from the International thread!
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Good news to hear.
I meant kernels*. I was reading something about this "S" thing supported by this phone which makes it so you have to flash kernels over adb rather than recovery, I'm a but unclear here.
Also I am going to be buying the T Mobile version, soley for the pentaband tech, because I'll be running it with Mobilicity here in Canada. So that's more good news that I can flash from the International thread!
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Oh ok... yeah thats not needed anymore... you can s-off the HTC one but its not needed for kernels anymore. That was on the HTC one x and one s ....
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Oh ok... yeah thats not needed anymore... you can s-off the HTC one but its not needed for kernels anymore. That was on the HTC one x and one s ....
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Well that's a relief. I'm hoping to pick up this phone tomorrow. I'm really excited after looking into it more and from this post.
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Well that's a relief. I'm hoping to pick up this phone tomorrow. I'm really excited after looking into it more and from this post.
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Trust me, you'll love it... Keep in mind the camera can be the biggest issue as some users just do not like it. I personally like it, it works for my needs... I would suggest going into the international forum for more user support (not even sure why tmobile has its own forum)...
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Trust me, you'll love it... Keep in mind the camera can be the biggest issue as some users just do not like it. I personally like it, it works for my needs... I would suggest going into the international forum for more user support (not even sure why tmobile has its own forum)...
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I'm sure I will
Well, I like the wider lens. To be honest, I don't use my phone to take extreme pics, just Instagram and SnapChat stuff. From the Nexus 4 camera I think it'll be a step up. Regardless, I have my t3i for my real photography stuff .
Haha. I thought there was a difference in forums. I guess I'll stick around both here and there.
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