I used to have original EVO and went to Epic Touch (Sammy SGII) and was really disappointed with the Samsung signal quality compared to EVO. Especially when in a weak signal, EVO 3G data would work fine but SGII sometimes would not work at all if signal is weak in same spot.
Have tested it many times. EVO was OK with 3G data if barely a signal, SGII would be hit and miss in same spot.
For those who switched from Epic Touch, how does new EVO perform with weak 3G signal? I'd think with the Qualcomm chipset, EVO should do much better than ET/SGII.
Samsungs are notorious for horrible radios.
They can suffer from something called LOS. Loss of Service. Where you basically lose all connection altogether until you reboot.
In fact my sisters galaxy s2 isn't even 3 months old and its been to samsung twice.
and is currently sitting with them waiting on backordered parts.
You won't (well probably won't) experience that issue with any other device maker.
As far as i know it exists on all the current samsungs though, gs2 and nexus alike. probably the gs3 as well.
xenokc said:
I used to have original EVO and went to Epic Touch (Sammy SGII) and was really disappointed with the Samsung signal quality compared to EVO. Especially when in a weak signal, EVO 3G data would work fine but SGII sometimes would not work at all if signal is weak in same spot.
Have tested it many times. EVO was OK with 3G data if barely a signal, SGII would be hit and miss in same spot.
For those who switched from Epic Touch, how does new EVO perform with weak 3G signal? I'd think with the Qualcomm chipset, EVO should do much better than ET/SGII.
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Considering Qualcomm invented EVDO (Sprint's 3G) and the chipset with integrated EVDO modem, it would surprise me if the signal is weaker.
That said, the device is thinner -- flimsier antenna?
Some reviewers, however, are quick to point out that 3G strength is increased compared to the 3D, if that means anything to you:
I've already mentioned that connectivity on the EVO 4G LTE is awesome in general; it usually picks up a stronger signal than my EVO 3D on both the cellular network or any surrounding WiFi networks. Additionally, mobile data speeds are consistently 300-500kbps faster on the EVO 4G LTE than on the EVO 3D, even when the devices are side-by-side.
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curiousGeorge said:
Considering Qualcomm invented EVDO (Sprint's 3G) and the chipset with integrated EVDO modem, it would surprise me if the signal is weaker.
That said, the device is thinner -- flimsier antenna?
Some reviewers, however, are quick to point out that 3G strength is increased compared to the 3D, if that means anything to you:
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Signal should not be as good as the EVO 3D...S4GRU article on the FCC doc released for the device explained it...its not a big difference nor something you will notice much i think, but its there according to the FCC testing done...
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One major perk I've noticed this phone vs the original EVO -- I have noticed an incredible improvement in the 4G radio penetrating buildings.
I work on a large corporate campus that was build back pre-WWII. The buildings all have thick concrete walls, and I was *NEVER* able to get a sliver of a connection on 4G with the original EVO. 3G was spotty.
On the EVO 3D, I'm experiencing an instant connection to 4G. Speeds are very respectable, ~9000kbps down/1500kbps up. Is it possible they recently implemented tower upgrades? Maybe. I'm thinking it is the phone though. Anybody else notice 4G range and penetration improvements?
Did u apply the ota? I haven't yet and my signal is worse with both 3g and 4G but I'm waiting to do the ota until the problems are fixed
Yeah I applied the OTA. Did not test it prior to the update.
I'm hoping there was a radio update in that cuz I Might have a bad 3vo
I think it is much better, too. I got nothing with my 4G yesterday but in the same location is got a good signal and great speeds and this is in a hospital, too. Yes I applied the OTA.
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The 4G signal is definitely better than the Evo 4G. I was able to pull a Fair signal with the 3D vs Poor to no signal in my house on the Evo 4G. I did not take the OTA.
I think i have a bad 3vo...even after the update my signal is consistently worse than my EVO 4G on both 3g and 4G
odd. i did not apply the ota, and do not have nearly as good of signal as the evo had. i'm now considering the ota..
Ok I found something that concerns me. I had my phone sitting in a chair and it had a signal of -81dbm and when I picked it up it changed to -93dbm
That's normal...
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My EVO 4G held -86dbm constantly when I held it in this spot of my house
The 3D has WAYYY better radio performance and speeds vs the OG Evo.
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I think it is much better, too. I got nothing with my 4G yesterday but in the same location is got a good signal and great speeds and this is in a hospital, too. Yes I applied the OTA.
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I used to get ~5mb down / 1up on the evo..
the evo 3d gets 8mb down / 1.4up (from my house)
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Ok I found something that concerns me. I had my phone sitting in a chair and it had a signal of -81dbm and when I picked it up it changed to -93dbm
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your body works like an antenna
Great news guys, I was disappointed when I heard it had the same 4g chip as the evo, but i guess htc did some antenna work.
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One major perk I've noticed this phone vs the original EVO -- I have noticed an incredible improvement in the 4G radio penetrating buildings.
I work on a large corporate campus that was build back pre-WWII. The buildings all have thick concrete walls, and I was *NEVER* able to get a sliver of a connection on 4G with the original EVO. 3G was spotty.
On the EVO 3D, I'm experiencing an instant connection to 4G. Speeds are very respectable, ~9000kbps down/1500kbps up. Is it possible they recently implemented tower upgrades? Maybe. I'm thinking it is the phone though. Anybody else notice 4G range and penetration improvements?
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The radio inside the phone has nothing to do with how well the WiMax signal penetrates buildings, walls, etc. HTC used the same WiMax chip as the original Evo. They might have placed it in a better location in the phone or have updated the radio firmware so it might be able to find and hold on to a weaker signal, but that's it.
I guess if 3G speeds somehow slightly improved after TeamWin got WiMax working for AOSP (separate radio), than anything's possible.
Anyone else have any 4g speeds or signal/performance comments? I know 4g here in chicago really sucks with my OG evo, 3mbps down is usually about it
I noticed the reception of the evo 3d is not that good. I can barely ride my bicycle with internet radio playing. Also bluetooth range is less then my motorola droid when connecting to the same devices. Did HTC make a good phone with poor reception capability, or is it sprint that has bad coverage?
I am considering trying a Nexus S since I'm still within the first 30 days of service. Does that phone have better reception?
Thank for your feedback
I would ask in the Nexus S forums...
My EVO 3D gets very poor signal and reception. Much worse than my regular EVO 4G. I noticed this right away as soon as I activated it and wasnt able to get as good of signal in good coverage areas like I could with previous EVO 4G. Its a combination of poor radio performance as well as poor Sprint service. The EVO 3D is definetely not a good "phone" and that's the most important thing to me.
I had to get rid of my Samsung Galaxy S due to poor reception. I then switched to the Optimus P500 and it was great for reception. I recently got the EVO3D and have had no complaints so far on Rogers in Canada, even in the remote Milton areas where it was questionable with the Galaxy.
Phone looks great no doubt. But as a gnex user.. same Android OS, don't see the need to change for the most part. The one thing that could sway me is the 4g radio which my nexus sucks with. 4g radios eat battery and Samsung 4g radios can barely hold 4g
Surprised we went from single to dual to quad cores before the next lte radio. Hope the 4g radio in this phone is better than the gnex
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Phone looks great no doubt. But as a gnex user.. same Android OS, don't see the need to change for the most part. The one thing that could sway me is the 4g radio which my nexus sucks with. 4g radios eat battery and Samsung 4g radios can barely hold 4g
Surprised we went from single to dual to quad cores before the next lte radio. Hope the 4g radio in this phone is better than the gnex
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That's mainly a Verizon problem because of its CDMA network. All LTE phones on Verizon has to maintain two radio interfaces open all the time: one for CDMA for voice and one for LTE for data. Until Verizon switches over to VoLTE (not anytime soon), you will have to suffer with that for all future LTE phones.
If you want to see how 2nd gen LTE phone works, look no further than all current AT&T LTE phones where phones only need to maintain one radio interface on. When voice call is activated, the phone automatically falls back to HSPA mode.
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That's mainly a Verizon problem because of its CDMA network. All LTE phones on Verizon has to maintain two radio interfaces open all the time: one for CDMA for voice and one for LTE for data. Until Verizon switches over to VoLTE (not anytime soon), you will have to suffer with that for all future LTE phones.
If you want to see how 2nd gen LTE phone works, look no further than all current AT&T LTE phones where phones only need to maintain one radio interface on. When voice call is activated, the phone automatically falls back to HSPA mode.
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Nope. I had a thunderbolt. Held. 4g everywhere like glue. My gnex can't even hold 4g in my room where the TB pulled 20+ on speed tests
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Nope. I had a thunderbolt. Held. 4g everywhere like glue. My gnex can't even hold 4g in my room where the TB pulled 20+ on speed tests
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Ok, I see where you are going. What I'm talking about is battery life on LTE phones which is the biggest problem on all LTE phones, not the speed. TB is notorous for poor battery life. As for signal strength, from what I heard, it is actually a discrepency between GB (what your TB is on) and ICS (what your GN is on). Basically, GB reports CDMA signal strength while ICS reports LTE signal strength.I have couple friends with TBs and their phone don't exactly holding on to LTE signals like you said. They lost LTE signal when office door closes
Hi,
I have an Epic touch rooted with CM9 which I love, I really hate that the reception is so terrible on this phone. Much worse than my OG evo.
Any idea if it will do better in fringe areas?
I find I have to toggle airplane mode frequently due to LOS.
Thanks,
RIch
Interesting it says you are in NY, do you have good 3G there or is it just your phone/texting that is a problem? Our OGs were great phone service but 3G was slow. Now we have 3G internet much faster but calls are dropped, even texts are dropped
I am in NY (50 minutes outside of NYC), but my area is not known for good coverage on any carrier. I may try to use the Evo again just to see if it is a bit better in terms of service or if it is as bad as the Epic.
For me is better then the gS2 or galaxy nexus, but personally experience some people said the evo 4g was better
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Am thinking about the evo 4g lte because I've read excellent reviews about the call quality. I already know I won't be getting lte in my area for a long time. Are the 3g speeds actually worse on this model as compared with other Sprint models ? (some reviews have claimed this)
My 3g is slow enough as it is on my HTC Touch (can live with it though), but won't be able to accept anything slower.
i have kno problems with this phone.. its perfect for me im just bored with it... i need a new phone every 6 months i think!!! lol..
I'm hoping the following review is incorrect:
The ugly:
This is where the phone starts to fall apart for me. The network capabilities are awful. They are a clear downgrade from my Evo 4g. I live in Kansas City, and my old Evo 4g had both excellent 3g coverage, and excellent WiMax coverage. Ping times were the only problem I had with WiMax (typically in the 200-300 range), but I typically got 3-7Mbps down and ~1Mbps up with very reliable coverage, especially in my home. Outside of WiMax range, I reliably got 3g coverage that pulled ~1-2Mbps down and up. This is what I would expect, given that I am in Sprint's home market.
I upgraded to the Evo 4g LTE after hearing that LTE was officially "live" in Kansas City. Unfortunately the news that I missed was that by "live", they really mean "about 30% live". There is little to no actual LTE coverage in the city. At my apartment, where WiMax was previously very strong, I can only connect to LTE rarely, and when I do the signal is so weak that my connection times out regularly. Watching antenna strength, the LTE connection sits around -115 to -120dBm (in non-technical terms, that is just a hair above zero bars). I actually disabled the LTE antenna on my phone because it is disruptive FAR more often than it is useful.
"So what", you might say. "Just use 3g". I would agree with you. 3g should be able to get me by in the next few months while Sprint continues their LTE rollout, hopefully with an antenna near my home. Unfortunately the phone's 3g antenna is also highly problematic. 3g signal pickup is weaker than my old Evo 4g, and speeds are considerably worse than my previous phone. Pings usually sit around 200, which is acceptable, but I almost never get above 0.5Mbps down, or up. Additionally (and even more importantly), the phone has a habit of dropping the 3g signal. I tether often, and when I do I tend to lose 3g every few minutes. This is in close proximity to a 3g tower, and with a strong signal (4-5 bars, in the -70 to -80dBm range). The phone will just inexplicably lose 3g connectivity. Google around a bit and find out: this is a known problem that many people are dealing with, and HTC/Sprint have acknowledged the issue and are trying to rectify it. Problem is, it isn't fixed. I truly hope that in the near future an OTA update will fix the problems... after all, I'm basically stuck with this phone for the next 23 months. The network issues are bad enough that I really do miss my old Evo 4g, and I'm very tempted to reactivate it.
Conclusion: at the end of the day, the Evo 4g LTE is a phone, and as such I think the network issues are a pretty big deal. If you are on WiFi constantly, then they won't be an issue for you, but if you're dependent upon Sprint's network in any way, be very careful... this phone has some major baggage.
Update 9/25/2012: A couple OTA updates later, and it is still in pretty bad shape. I am very used to 500ms+ ping now, and 0.1Mbps download/upload speeds. 4g coverage is still nonexistant. According to xda and s4gru, this problem is SPECIFIC TO THE EVO 4g LTE. As in an iPhone 5 and SGIII will both connect just fine to 4g, but an Evo in the same room will not.
Try this neat trick: Go to craigslist and search for Evo 4g LTE. See how many nearly new Evos are being sold for less than half the price of a new one? That speaks more volumes than my review does
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These post really make me scratch my head...In Memphis LTE is only a month old and only in the northern parts of the city...constant 15mbs+ and elsewhere 4g isnt on yet 3G is maxed out....I never have any problems maintaining a over decent connection on 3G.....it's just odd how much I hear how crappy the ELTE is.....Is it really a bad phone and I'm just in a city where Sprint has it act together or are some of you vice-versa??
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These post really make me scratch my head...In Memphis LTE is only a month old and only in the northern parts of the city...constant 15mbs+ and elsewhere 4g isnt on yet 3G is maxed out....I never have any problems maintaining a over decent connection on 3G.....it's just odd how much I hear how crappy the ELTE is.....Is it really a bad phone and I'm just in a city where Sprint has it act together or are some of you vice-versa??
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I sure would like to know before I upgrade to this device.
TravisBean said:
Am thinking about the evo 4g lte because I've read excellent reviews about the call quality. I already know I won't be getting lte in my area for a long time. Are the 3g speeds actually worse on this model as compared with other Sprint models ? (some reviews have claimed this)
My 3g is slow enough as it is on my HTC Touch (can live with it though), but won't be able to accept anything slower.
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My 3g has been much better than my old HTC Hero and better than my Dad's og Evo(not to mention my mom's Samsung Nexus S, My brothers' Samsung, Motorola, and my sister's iCrap 4s).
As long as you stick to stock based roms, you'll be fine. HTC has some great tweaks that cm10 and aosp roms don't have that seem to boost bandwidth and 3g speeds.
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Test it out. Set a timer for 13 days just to be sure.. Thats why carriers give you the 14 day trial period to make sure your happy before being stuck 2 more years with them.
I for one am happy with my EVO LTE. I also have a GS3 and from time to time go back and forth.
I had a chance to spend about 3 minutes with this device today at the Sprint store. Love at first sight. I can't put into words how elegantly this phone felt in my hand.
Didn't have time to check out the 3g connectivity, but call quality did seem above average for a Sprint phone.
Can you download a larger format dial pad for this phone (that works properly) ?
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I'm in Boston mass 4g is 27-34 mgb and 3g is about 3-5 on my lte no issues
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I'm in Boston mass 4g is 27-34 mgb and 3g is about 3-5 on my lte no issues
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Are you saying you're getting 3-5 Mbps download speeds while connected to 3G?
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