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Hey all - I am VERY loath to ask any of these questions, as I pride myself on doing research and figuring things out for myself, but I've come to the point where I just need to ask this community. I purchased the Gtab as part of the Woot fiasco, and immediately replaced stock firmware with Vegantab. From a general perspective, it works fine, with all the know quirks. However, this is my first Android device. I've been modifying windows phones and working with jailbroken iphones and other fiddly things with computers for a long time, so I'm not faint-hearted at tweaking. Anyway, my questions are these:
Given the hardware this thing sports, the performance ROTS. Is it because the OS is just not polished? It's slow to shift from screen to screen. It often delays in recognizing my touch when trying to scroll icons that it thinks I actually am trying t launch an app. In general, it just feels inferior in speed and snappiness of, for instance, iOS (I understand it is much easier to have a single platform to put an OS on and optimize it). I get the program not responding screen, wait or close way too frequently for my tastes.
Then there's the fact that every app installed seems to want to run itself in the background at all times. I'm constantly using the task manager to kill everything, which frees up a ton of RAM and then the tab runs better for a little while. I can't seem to find a way to prevent these apps from doing this. There is probably something very obvious that I am missing, but Facebook should not just decide on its own to run in the background when I haven't launched it.
Any thoughts on any of these things, or can someone point me to an obvious FAQ that I'm missing that answers all my questions?
In theory Android OS should free up RAM as you need it. Google will swear up and down that task killers are unnecessary, and the user doesn't need to manage background processes. That said, I have advanced task killer widget on my home screen and use it whenever things get a little sluggish. I don't use the Facebook app, but most apps have the option in the in-app settings to disable background updates. There are task manager apps that claim to prevent other apps from launching at start up, or kill them automatically, but these will usually end up eating more resources than they save.
As far as home screen switching, I'm not a fan of the stock froyo launcher on a tablet this size. It always seems that the device is expecting a much larger swipe that should be necessary to switch home screens. I use Launcher Pro and it feels faster and more responsive than the iPad 2 for going between home screens.
The scrolling/ inadvertent selecting issue I can relate to. If your coming from iOS, there is this an expectation that the device will always tell the difference between a scroll and a tap. That expectation isn't unreasonable, because Apple is stellar at making scrolling interfaces feel perfect. They have whole sessions at WWDC about implementing scrolling lists into apps. Android on the other hand requires a more deliberate scrolling. Android has gotten a lot better over time, but it often requires a much more deliberate scrolling action by the user. "Flicking" like on the iPad usually doesn't register perfectly for me.
One thing you may notice on the G Tables is that pinch and zoom is wildly unreliable when pinching on the same x or y axis. I'm pretty sure this is a universal issue with the screen. It has trouble recognizing multitouch input when the points of contact are on the same axis. Pinching at an angle is the only way I can zoom reliably.
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In theory Android OS should free up RAM as you need it. Google will swear up and down that task killers are unnecessary, and the user doesn't need to manage background processes.
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It's like automatic garbage collection, isn't it? Really useful, but sometimes you want to explicitly free things.
There is a way to kill foreground apps on Android. Settings > Applications > Development > Stop app via long-press, will kill the foreground app if you "long-press" the Android back key. Background apps you can either kill using task-managers or not start at all using tools like Autorun Manager from Market.
One thing you may notice on the G Tables is that pinch and zoom is wildly unreliable when pinching on the same x or y axis. I'm pretty sure this is a universal issue with the screen. It has trouble recognizing multitouch input when the points of contact are on the same axis. Pinching at an angle is the only way I can zoom reliably.
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Yeah, I've noticed this too. Pinch-to-zoom at the same y-axis is hopeless. Same x-axis works okay, but, at an angle works best.
I actually appreciated your post. You knew the limitations of hte device before buying it...you didn't comment on the atrocious screen (and accepted what was to be)
The biggest downfall with the G-Tablet itself was it's software. You admitted that you immediately flashed VeganTab. When I bought mine, it came with TNT Lite, to which I then immediately also flashed to Vegan 5.1.1. I never experienced the stock rom, and actually considered myself lucky, due to the reviews I've read.
I think that some of our issues may actually be due to the fact that we're using software that wasn't specifically designed for OUR devices. Yes, they are all android, yes, they should all work fine, and do, at times, but if using a froyo or gingerbread rom, we're using software designed for phones. I haven't tried the Alpha version of HC (BOS) yet, but even in Alpha stages, people are raving about it, even with it's limitations.
I just recently started using Brilliant Corners. In the flash process, I had to have Stock 4349 (1.2 stock firmware) on the system. I can honestly say that it really wasn't that bad. The response seemed a tad better, I never got the "Forceclose : Wait" option when a process was "thinking." things would just pop up. I can only think that as bad as it is, it manages itself better than some of the ports and mod's we are using, simply becuase they were MADE for the G-Tablet. Yeah, it's ugly, and you can do half of what I can do on BC.
What I find intolerable at times is that Angry Birds: Seasons (only that one, no others) will have really choppy graphics. I haven't found a way to fix it, I've overclocked, though I didn't think that would help, I've uninstalled, and installed, I've recovered backups, etc...alas, rebooting will fix it...it's weird. Not one other game will do that, except for AB:S.
What I find intolerable at times is that Angry Birds: Seasons (only that one, no others) will have really choppy graphics. I haven't found a way to fix it, I've overclocked, though I didn't think that would help, I've uninstalled, and installed, I've recovered backups, etc...alas, rebooting will fix it...it's weird. Not one other game will do that, except for AB:S.
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It works for me, although the birds do take off on their own from time to time. Have you tried downloading from a different source? I pulled my angry birds from Amazon. I'm running Vegan-Tabs 7.0.0
Please don't be offended, as I do believe your question is being asked in good faith. However, I have to admit that I haven't experienced any of the problems you're describing. I've had an iPod Touch since gen 1, and I haven't noticed any difference in the responsiveness. My g Tablet responds the same to flicks as it does to slower swipes, without interpretting them as taps.
I also haven't experienced the slow downs you're referring to when running multiple background apps, though that may have to do with the particular apps you have.
I have not had an issue with zooming in and out by pinching along either the x- or y-axis
Finally, I at least don't feel like the swipe to change screens is excesssive, but then again that could be personal taste or because I'm using a Gingerbread-based ROM.
The one issue I do have is with the on-screen touch keyboard. I feel sometimes that it fails to register letters if I type too fast; I haven't had this issue with iOS, but at least I think I can get used to it, and for serious typing I'll probably use a physical keyboard.
Incidently, I'm using Cyanogenmod 7, which seems to be the "pet ROM" of these forums, for better (it's a solid ROM with a large developer community) or worse (it's not nearly as innovative as mods being developed by some "other users" *ahem*roebeet*cough). I'm not saying this is the reason why I have not experienced these issues; maybe they aren't so striking to me or maybe I've been lucky?
EDITTED: Most typos are due to annoyances with using an on-screen keyboard with the g Tab.
Tablet has been fine to me. Screen responsiveness is on par with iphone/ipad/my htc evo screen.
Vegan tab rom is fresh...all .my functions work sure my wifi drops out after sleeping for a while (yes changed sleep settings) but hey I spent 250 not 500 and I have flash sd and usb....all of which I use everyday.
Thanks for all the responses. I rather expected to get somewhat of a range of replies from "I agree with you" to "you're crazy, mine is fine". To be very clear, I'm not trying to rip on the device at all. I knew I was rolling the dice a little and I know that Android really hasn't matured for a Tablet just yet (in my eyes).
I guess I've sort of had my questions answered to some degree.
scyld - I'm not offended in the least. I have an iphone 4 and many of my coworkers use iPads every day. They are definitely more responsive (to me). However, the stock iOS wasn't on my iPhone. Now that I have it jailbroken and can control which apps suck up memory, it behaves flawlessly. What I believe to be the scrolling/flicking issue is actually that the OS interprets spaces IN BETWEEN icons to be part of those icons, where Apple's OS does not. If I tap between icons on the Gtab, it will launch the one closest to my finger. iOS will not do this. That alone may be why the scrolling seems to be more accurate. I may well try Cyanogen. I mostly don't care about bells and whistles - just responsiveness and usability.
I wasn't aware that Google used the same line about memory usage that Apple swears - in fact, my friend and I stopped in the Apple store because she was having a problem with docking her iphone in her car... The tech ran a scan and told her incidentally that she was out of app memory and told her how to 'kill those pesky tasks' by tapping the little red minuses on all the apps in the app dock. I couldn't stop laughing.
I guess what we're dealing with is the result of an open source open hardware landscape. By having such a fractured base of developers, manufacturers, varying hardware specs, etc, it is much harder to optimize any particular build for any particular device. I did use the stock firmware for a few days and simply found it too limiting. Not to mention the lack of a market, etc. Apple's success is in large part due to the way it's app store works. Every device has it. The app warns you what it will work on and what it will not. Application updates tell you what the update fixes or adds (which Market does only very rarely). I appreciate that there are multiple markets for Android, but they should stick to some established rules for the information given.
I'm writing a novel - sorry - All this being said, I love the idea of Android (and hate iTunes with a passion) and I'm looking forward to a generation or two down the road of the tablet ROMs. I'll give the other ROMs a shot and see if there is improvement. I really appreciate the developers work on the platform thus far. I'll keep reading and messing with settings, tips, tricks to improve what I can.
What do you miss?
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When I went from WebOS to the OG Evo, I missed nothing.
POS Pre-2yrs EVO 3D-3mo. If there was something worth missing I musta missed it!!!
I went from my Palm Pre to my OG Epic and never looked back. Lack of good apps killed WebOS. Now that I have my EVO 3D, happy as a clam.
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Mmm no much maybe the notifications were better on web OS imo , but nothing else , screen too small for me
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Cards view, swyping up to go to cards view. The multitasking.
Say what you want about Android multitasking but it pales in comparison to webos
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Cards view, swyping up to go to cards view. The multitasking.
Say what you want about Android multitasking but it pales in comparison to webos
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I agree here. I miss the Multitasking from webos.
I got the palm pre the day it released but it was just too slow to move forward. Switched to the evo4g on release day then over to the 3d a few weeks after release. I miss the "cards" other than that I miss nothing
Yea cards were soo cool n conveinant its a shame how things went down one cool thing in the market has that came from webos is the wave launcher which i have on my 3d its nice to have a little piece of webos still
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Cards view, swyping up to go to cards view. The multitasking.
Say what you want about Android multitasking but it pales in comparison to webos
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Man, there used to be a launcher called Itching Thumb that was JUST like webos's card system. It's not in the Market anymore, though. I definitely used it on my EVO4G, (can't remember whether it was in a Froyo Rom or not) but does anyone else remember that launcher?
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Cards.
Wave launcher (Now I have that, but it's not the same :/)
Notifications were better.
Preware. -- Android needs an app similar to this, where root users can access mods, patches, and ROMs from one area. Only problem with this is that it's not as easy as it was with WebOS, as WebOS patches/mods were simply edits in the HTML5 based OS.
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Cards.
Wave launcher (Now I have that, but it's not the same :/)
Notifications were better.
Preware. -- Android needs an app similar to this, where root users can access mods, patches, and ROMs from one area. Only problem with this is that it's not as easy as it was with WebOS, as WebOS patches/mods were simply edits in the HTML5 based OS.
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I also miss these.
Cards could be done with a custom ROM, however, it probably won't and it sounds pretty hard to make. Also, how would you access the cards menu? If it was home, you wouldn't be able to use your home screen anymore.
Notifications - There wasn't really an option to clear notifications unless you clicked on the bar at the bottom and sometimes that took up a lot of screen. I personally think android notifications are better, but an enhanced version of WebOS versions would also be really cool.
Preware - This is one thing I think we strongly need on Android. However, since there are so many devices on android, the mods would have to be device specific. Also, like you said, they would be much harder to make which means there wouldn't be that many mods. Even with these limitations, something like Preware or Cydia would be great for android.
I also miss these.
Cards could be done with a custom ROM, however, it probably won't and it sounds pretty hard to make. Also, how would you access the cards menu? If it was home, you wouldn't be able to use your home screen anymore.
Notifications - There wasn't really an option to clear notifications unless you clicked on the bar at the bottom and sometimes that took up a lot of screen. I personally think android notifications are better, but an enhanced version of WebOS versions would also be really cool.
Preware - This is one thing I think we strongly need on Android. However, since there are so many devices on android, the mods would have to be device specific. Also, like you said, they would be much harder to make which means there wouldn't be that many mods. Even with these limitations, something like Preware or Cydia would be great for android.
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Notifications... Either tapped program or swipe back and they would hide... Especially if app was full screen.
And preware could be done... But each device would need its own feeds...
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I had 18 palm pre such a bad phone . The idea of webos was cool but the hardware was just slow and even when u overclock it it didn't help .
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I had 18 palm pre such a bad phone . The idea of webos was cool but the hardware was just slow and even when u overclock it it didn't help .
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Exactly why I want webOS on my 3d.... Still loved my pre.
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Cards, Preware, Multitasking, the intuitive feel of the OS compared to Android, gestures, the polish of the OS.
People complaining about the apps and everything... I don't understand. I used Preware and had all the apps I needed on that thing. I maybe use 10 apps on my Evo/Evo 3d which is a little less than the amount I used on my Pre.
I loved my Palm Pre but when it broke, still have it..., I went to the HTC Touch Pro. Wow. I regret that decision. Then I held on to that POS until the Evo which was awesome but I still like webOS more than Android. People can make all the arguments they want about webOS not having a lot of apps but that never bothered me. Though, Android is awesome compared to iOS and WP7 (tried them both out and meh).
Never had webOS on a cellphone, so got no idea if its as good as people say it is/was.
Had a Touchpad for close to two weeks, and the only thing I miss, are the cards. Not using them for multitasking (since the Touchpad has pretty poor resolution, so it's hard to see what's going on in each card anyways) but I miss closing apps by just swiping the cards up. It's not a problem on my Evom but on the tablet I have, I really miss an easy way of closing programs.
Honeycomb is bad with that, like ALL the apps you've used the last couple of hours pop up if you click the taskswitcher, and if you use a lot of apps it becomes an unholy mess really fast. Would be nice to be able to close old apps in an easy way like that.
Overall webOS on the Touchpad was pretty awful. I ASSUME it was a lot better on cellphones than on the Touchpad, but it was slooow, and would complain if you had too many windows/cards open.
It was crazy how badly polished/finished that OS was... I mean the Touchpad had pretty good hardware, two dualcore Snapdragon CPUs at 1.2-1.4 Ghz. But it was still slow as molasses, and slower for browsing than my old HTC Desire.
The cards were kinda nice though!
I'm going back to iphone.
This thing force closes way too much.... I know rooting and custom ROM can address some of it but I feel iphone is still optimized better than android. OK maybe I don't know but I just never had any issues with their hardware or apps.
Yeah I guess I'm not the type of person who really appreciates customization capability. I realized ONLY thing I like about this particular android is the large screen.
Sorry this is just a bad morning and my android is acting all ****ed up. Happens way too often.
If you are new to Android coming from the iPhone then you'll feel that way for a bit. I did miss my iPhone but once these awesome devs clear up some bugs you'll be really happy....if you like customizing. I couldn't stand iTunes so once I got around the noobness point, Android is so much nicer. The iPhone is more for people that just want to push an icon like my wife and kids.
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Thats wierd, im stock and i rarely get any force closes. Usually the only FC's i get are due to apps on their end. I love how everyone always says how the apple apps never crash, blah blah blah. I guess stupid tech will always have its place
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I'm going back to iphone.
This thing force closes way too much.... I know rooting and custom ROM can address some of it but I feel iphone is still optimized better than android. OK maybe I don't know but I just never had any issues with their hardware or apps.
Yeah I guess I'm not the type of person who really appreciates customization capability. I realized ONLY thing I like about this particular android is the large screen.
Sorry this is just a bad morning and my android is acting all ****ed up. Happens way too often.
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Yea if you are stock you shouldn't have too many problems. The beauty of the xda forum is you can tell us your problem and people get together to help solve it. Id rather use xda than talk to a genius any day.
Tell us what's wrong so we can help you.
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Most likely a bad device.
I have had mine since mid December...all stock, only updates via Kies.
It's been more stable than 2.2.2 on my Dell Streak.
As for a 5" iPhone, well, Jobs is gone so anything is possible.
You watch though...if Apple comes out with a screen anywhere near the
size of 5", the iphone fanbois will trumpet it out that it is an innovation and
the best thing in the world LOL.
lol you do realize stuff crashes consistantly on the iphone it just doesnt tell you right?
Force Closes are from improperly written apps. this happens, there are so many varients in the Android world it is hard to keep up with the changes.
Apple has a set screen size depending on the device, Android has many different screen sizes.
If you like to DUMB down then go back to the iPhone.
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I'm going back to iphone.
This thing force closes way too much.... I know rooting and custom ROM can address some of it but I feel iphone is still optimized better than android. OK maybe I don't know but I just never had any issues with their hardware or apps.
Yeah I guess I'm not the type of person who really appreciates customization capability. I realized ONLY thing I like about this particular android is the large screen.
Sorry this is just a bad morning and my android is acting all ****ed up. Happens way too often.
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First I was gonna tell you "see ya", but I guess I'll say that I have no, not one, force close and my device is closer to me than wrist watch or glasses... My device functions this way because I read about everyone else problems and solutions and either avoid the base situation, or utilize the communities experiences for the solution... Our Android family bought our grandfather an iPhone because of his age... Lmao. Does that tell you anything? If you must go then thanks for stopping by, but if you can stay, we will do our level best to match your enthusiasm and drive...
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i'd be very happy with a g note running webos .that would be great
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i'd be very happy with a g note running webos .that would be great
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Blasphemy
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ferchope said:
i'd be very happy with a g note running webos .that would be great
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lol! you must not need apps at all
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Thats wierd, im stock and i rarely get any force closes. Usually the only FC's i get are due to apps on their end. I love how everyone always says how the apple apps never crash, blah blah blah. I guess stupid tech will always have its place
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There was actually a study published a few months ago that showed that major iPhone apps actually crash more often than their Android counterparts; however, since the iPhone doesn't display a message to the user when that happens, and it doesn't give the users an option to report the crash, most iPhone users perceive fewer crashes. (In other words, they simply think that they must have hit the Home or Close buttons since all the iPhone does is crash back to their homescreens).
The second theory on why this is the case is that it's much easier and faster to release app updates on Android markets. Android devs can easily roll out responsive updates while iPhone devs have to submit every single update to Apple's ridiculous approval process.
Story here:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomiogeron/2012/02/02/does-ios-crash-more-than-android-a-data-dive/
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I've been running the I717 since day one and I've gotten exactly 1 FC from a weird app I downloaded. once I deleted it I was good. Try doing a factory reset and start fresh. download apps that have 4 or more stars. My phone has been a champ from day one with all the crap I throw at it (not even screen slowdowns like some are reporting). If you don't like it, you don't like it, there's no harm in that. All I know is my Ipod frustrates me something fierce when I use it so irritations go both ways. Hope you stick around, the stock ICS should be wandering through in the next couple of months. If you don't want to wait, I hear there's awesome Roms of ICS already. check it out.
I'm going back to iPhone as soon as someone trades me back on CL
What I've had from start to finish? Tilt, Touch Pro 2, G1, BB 8120, BB FLIP, G1, 3GS, Vibrant, EVO, Hero, Epic, EVO, Nexus S, the sprint WP7 can't recall name, EVO, Epic, EVO, EVO3D, 4S Sprint, 4S AT&T, Note AT&T.
I am the most unbiased person possible.
I switched from the iPhone back to Android because the screen was annoying for Draw Something, the edges on the phone are somewhat sharp & annoyed me in long typing sessions, no LTE.
What I've experienced on the Note, & why I said when I went back to the iPhone after the EVO3D that I would never go back to Android: LAG.
What good is customization if everything lags. What's the point of customization anyway? It's not like a computer that has incredible battery life & the customization is actually useful. It's just pretty widgets & UI mods.
I'm also shocked at how many ads are in the free apps compared to years ago.
Anyway, I'll go back to my sound app ecosystem with no lag. On top of that, the apps seem to run a lot smoother & take advantage of the A5 dual core vs the dual core in the Note.
+ I've spent way too much $$ on apps for iOS LOL. Sure I could get some for free on Android, but some simply aren't avail. Some I would have to buy again. Unfortunately, they all run better on iOS.
I will miss the s pen functions (and the Sammy cameras always seem better - I am disappointed by the 4S camera), but I'll survive. The only Android I want is the ASUS Padphone or an ASUS tablet (I had the Transformer #1 for a month, oh & of course I've had an iPad in the past, but prefer the Android tablet OS)
I haven't had an fc since i flashed team perfections latest pics rom. IPhones might be solid but they're so damn boring and plain
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Then Samsung should sue them for "copying"
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I feel like the microwave has screwed everything up. Of something takes a half second to open, we're screaming lag!!!
I like tech stuff but it's still a phone.
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I'm not talking about waiting for things to open.. I'm talking about stutter lag & multiple second to go back to the home screen lag. Legitimate lag.
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I'm not talking about waiting for things to open.. I'm talking about stutter lag & multiple second to go back to the home screen lag. Legitimate lag.
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In my experience with android devices the major culprit for lag is on screen widgets that update. If you set up your device like ios with nothing but apps you will see no lag. If you use widgets and stuff you might redraw.
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I'm going back to iPhone as soon as someone trades me back on CL
What I've had from start to finish? Tilt, Touch Pro 2, G1, BB 8120, BB FLIP, G1, 3GS, Vibrant, EVO, Hero, Epic, EVO, Nexus S, the sprint WP7 can't recall name, EVO, Epic, EVO, EVO3D, 4S Sprint, 4S AT&T, Note AT&T.
I am the most unbiased person possible.
I switched from the iPhone back to Android because the screen was annoying for Draw Something, the edges on the phone are somewhat sharp & annoyed me in long typing sessions, no LTE.
What I've experienced on the Note, & why I said when I went back to the iPhone after the EVO3D that I would never go back to Android: LAG.
What good is customization if everything lags. What's the point of customization anyway? It's not like a computer that has incredible battery life & the customization is actually useful. It's just pretty widgets & UI mods.
I'm also shocked at how many ads are in the free apps compared to years ago.
Anyway, I'll go back to my sound app ecosystem with no lag. On top of that, the apps seem to run a lot smoother & take advantage of the A5 dual core vs the dual core in the Note.
+ I've spent way too much $$ on apps for iOS LOL. Sure I could get some for free on Android, but some simply aren't avail. Some I would have to buy again. Unfortunately, they all run better on iOS.
I will miss the s pen functions (and the Sammy cameras always seem better - I am disappointed by the 4S camera), but I'll survive. The only Android I want is the ASUS Padphone or an ASUS tablet (I had the Transformer #1 for a month, oh & of course I've had an iPad in the past, but prefer the Android tablet OS)
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Interesting observations. Honestly I see my Ipod lag a whole lot more than my note (or even my streak) with much much fewer apps. I mean I use my ipod for pandora, email and rage comics and running all three at once it lags something fierce. I can do all that with my note plus play temple run and not see a stutter. As for the in app adverts, apple is just as bad, but the funnier thing is, the ration of paid vs free apps in IOS is a lot higher in favor of paid apps than in android, which is probably why you see fewer ads in IOS. One thing I noticed with IOS is most apps, especially the free ones, rarely have over 3 stars, makes me wonder if they're really worth the time... All I know is, between IOS and android, I prefer android hands down, I can customize my UI how I want to, I can have widgets if I'd like and do virtually whatever I want with it. if you want I can talk with my buddy to see if he'll trade his 4S strait across for your note.
Reading from various articles and comments from users it seems that
1) There seems to be a bit of dropped frames and stuttering.
2) The GPU sometimes struggle to handle the high res.
Is this the case? How smooth would you say it is really 90% of the time?
I have no issues with lag or studdering, save for the occasional hiccup when I used Chrome. I simply installed AOSP browser and all is well.
Can u install the aosp browser on the stock Tom?
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90% of the time it's literally as smooth as the definition of the word 'smooth' can be. Literally couldn't be any smoother.
The ONLY time it isn't 60 frames per second smooth are when you are either using chrome or hitting a throttling point when posting an intensive game, hopefully the lat err well be fixed.
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90% of the time it's literally as smooth as the definition of the word 'smooth' can be. Literally couldn't be any smoother.
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+1, except for my purposes this is a conservative figure. I've been using this heavily for a few weeks, and it's been incredibly smooth about 98% of the time. Handles beautifully, battery life has been great, and I keep thinking of more ways to use it in place of clunkier pieces of tech. One of the best purchases I've made in a long time.
Had it about 24 hours now and it is very smooth.
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Reading from various articles and comments from users it seems that
1) There seems to be a bit of dropped frames and stuttering.
2) The GPU sometimes struggle to handle the high res.
Is this the case? How smooth would you say it is really 90% of the time?
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It's probably the smoothest device ever when it is smooth. All of the tasks I do, it handles well. Games like NBA Jam, Anomaly Warzone, etc.. have no problems at all (I've seen more intensive games in YouTube, but those aren't particularly my type so..). I'd say about 95% of the time it is darn smooth, way smoother than when I got my GNex out of the box. The 5% isn't 'stuttery' or 'laggy' -- the device becomes crippled to the point that you sleep it and it won't come back on anymore and you'd have to force a reboot. This happens mostly with Chrome.
Its like butter the majority of the time. Do yourself a favor, dont use chrome and disable Google Currents. Then try to find a faster tablet on the market right now. You wont.
Install ktmanta kernel and its even smoother using his governor . also you can change the the thermal limits ..
No more throttling so far
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Can u install the aosp browser on the stock Tom?
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I assume you meant stock ROM and got auto corrected. But yes, its possible to install AOSP browser on the stock ROM. I've done it on my N10. You'll obviously need to be rooted, as you need to copy the apk to system/apps.
I recently discovered Ocean Browser courtesy of this forum. That really made this tablet the smothest computer I've ever seen.
Its buttery smooth, just srsly dont use Chrome on it as of yet, such a let down, froze ny tab twice.
Got paranoid on it now and im happy with it.
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It's pretty smooth, but not Nexus 4 smooth. If you're just kind of using it lackadaisically then it's very smooth. However, once you start going all Bruce Lee in it, you'll notice the stuttering and dropped frames. I'm not complaining - I like multitasking, but there's certainly room for improvement.
Maybe I see it more because I have multiple accounts (which is a buggy right now) and both accounts are eating up a lot of memory?
EDIT: By the way, I use Chrome and like how it works - that may be a contributor based on what everyone is saying. Having said that, Chrome seems to work really well on my N4. It's not the fastest browser, but it's fast enough and I like how it functions.
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It's pretty smooth, but not Nexus 4 smooth. If you're just kind of using it lackadaisically then it's very smooth. However, once you start going all Bruce Lee in it, you'll notice the stuttering and dropped frames. I'm not complaining - I like multitasking, but there's certainly room for improvement.
Maybe I see it more because I have multiple accounts (which is a buggy right now) and both accounts are eating up a lot of memory?
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Please define "bruce lee". Is it when you play a game? When you have multiple apps opened? when you are using the mulitasking menu? Youtube?
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Please define "bruce lee". Is it when you play a game? When you have multiple apps opened? when you are using the mulitasking menu? Youtube?
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Yes, multiple apps, multitasking. Again, don't forget that my wife has her own account so that may contribute to it.
Ironically, I just spent ~5-mins (after a fresh boot) trying to recreate the stutter without using Chrome and found it a bit harder than I thought .
Here's what I did:
- Open Dolphin -> Load The Verge
- Open BeyondPod -> Just scrolled through the updates
- Open YouTube -> Watched a review for 10 seconds
- Open JustPictures! -> Click SmugMug account -> Noticed some stuttering loading initial thumbnails (smooth after that)
- Hit Home Key -> Swipe to reveal another desktop -> Some lag getting to the other desktop, same thing going back.. .cleared up after 2-3 swipes back/forth
TBH it wasn't terrible and not worth complaining about, but this is also after a fresh boot. After hours of my wife using it in her account and me using it in mine, I notice these things a bit more often.
It's probably worth noting I may be overly critical since I'm pissed about some of the glitches which happen in the tablet (i.e. apps crashing in the main account, unknown reboots, etc). When trying to recreate the problem the tablet was actually damn smooth - I surprised myself
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Alright... I've been using the n10 for at least an hour now. My wife was using it previously to play songs to our son, etc. It definitely stutters and lags somewhat often. Just strolling posts up and down in Tapatalk HD it stutters/skips frames. Could be a poorly written app? Maybe, but it's a white screen with nothing but a bit of text. So yeah, I stand by what I said originally.
Full disclosure, I did use Chrome, but I'm not evaluating smoothness in that app, nor immediately after it.
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Alright... I've been using the n10 for at least an hour now. My wife was using it previously to play songs to our son, etc. It definitely stutters and lags somewhat often. Just strolling posts up and down in Tapatalk HD it stutters/skips frames. Could be a poorly written app? Maybe, but it's a white screen with nothing but a bit of text. So yeah, I stand by what I said originally.
Full disclosure, I did use Chrome, but I'm not evaluating smoothness in that app, nor immediately after it.
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I use tapatalk on my Gnex, and the HD beta on my N10. The lag you're describing appears to me to be associated with the way the app must retrieve messages to display. Unlike a web page that is fetched completely, it appears that tapatalk is fetching a group of messages at a time...essentially on demand message retrieval. I attribute the lag to the app having to request the next group of messages before it can scroll down and display them.
Not 100% positive about this, but it seems likely to me. Aside from this and the occasional chrome seize up, I have no lagging with my N10.
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I use tapatalk on my Gnex, and the HD beta on my N10. The lag you're describing appears to me to be associated with the way the app must retrieve messages to display. Unlike a web page that is fetched completely, it appears that tapatalk is fetching a group of messages at a time...essentially on demand message retrieval. I attribute the lag to the app having to request the next group of messages before it can scroll down and display them.
Not 100% positive about this, but it seems likely to me. Aside from this and the occasional chrome seize up, I have no lagging with my N10.
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Thanks for your reply... The tablet was fine since last night, but after I posted, went into Chrome and it froze causing a reboot. I'm going to live w/out Chrome for a while and see if that's more of a culprit than I give it credit for.
By the way I think you're wrong about tapatalk. Even if it does work as you describe, then after loading, I should be able to scroll up/down without the frame skips, yet that's not the case.
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Has anybody else experienced or is experiencing rather poor ram management on their S6e?
I'm finding app refreshes really quite abundant. Yes they refresh quickly in most cases but they are refreshes nether the less.
Worst are apps that dump you out of what you are doing like Tapatalk.
System manager tells me I gave 400mb free and yet app refreshes are a common occurrence.
My nexus 6 rarely has to auto refresh - indeed conversely I can open Tapatalk on that and have to manually refresh to get content. But at least I never get dumped out of a thread and taken back to menu.
The Galaxy S5 was poor enough with memory management, I hoped the 3gb in the S6e would put an end to forced reloads & refreshes but nope.
I have a sim free factory unlocked model, no carrier bloat and have factory restored and still same issue persists.
Its as if Touchwiz despite certain improvements is as memory hungry and uncouth as it ever was.
I know how you feel. RAM is always almost full even if there are no apps running. I can multitask without refreshes if I go to an app for a few seconds. But if I spend like even just a minute then I get a refresh. Even with just one tab on Google Chrome, I get a refresh immediately by just using Facebook for a while. I mean wtf?
I believe it's due to the memory leak on 5.0.1 wait till we get 5.1 to see if they fix this issue
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I believe it's due to the memory leak on 5.0.1 wait till we get 5.1 to see if they fix this issue
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No memory leak is only on nexus devices and related to its particular bootloader - something Samsung device doesn't have. It won't improve if it's not good now.
Graffiti Exploit said:
I know how you feel. RAM is always almost full even if there are no apps running. I can multitask without refreshes if I go to an app for a few seconds. But if I spend like even just a minute then I get a refresh. Even with just one tab on Google Chrome, I get a refresh immediately by just using Facebook for a while. I mean wtf?
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Yep exactly as you describe and it's really quite annoying. Feels like the phone is being gimped by its OS Skin. We shouldn't be having this issue on a 2015 3gb top of range device.
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No memory leak is only on nexus devices and related to its particular bootloader - something Samsung device doesn't have. It won't improve if it's not good now.
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Ah I didn't know that. Thanks for correcting me. I also have this issue as well and hoping this issue is fixed soon from Samsung.
I have this issue too.. Anoys the heck out of me;.. I can pause pandora, and then open another app, and pandora lost its place!
happens a lot more then it should.
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I have this issue too.. Anoys the heck out of me;.. I can pause pandora, and then open another app, and pandora lost its place!
happens a lot more then it should.
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Yep. How come all the so called in depth reviews never mentioned this issue. To me aggressive memory killing and excessive ram usage is far more detrimental to user experience than the odd bit of lag, yet the only thing we kept getting told is how lag free this device would be and how super fast the ram is.... And yet it can barely keep 4 apps in memory for 5 minutes. Its really frustrating.
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Yep. How come all the so called in depth reviews never mentioned this issue. To me aggressive memory killing and excessive ram usage is far more detrimental to user experience than the odd bit of lag, yet the only thing we kept getting told is how lag free this device would be and how super fast the ram is.... And yet it can barely keep 4 apps in memory for 5 minutes. Its really frustrating.
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ikr.. they didnt mention this ram thing at all. are they even used this phone at all to post those reviews?!? I was using an iPhone 6 Plus before, and I never had this issue at all. I hope they can fix this as soon as possible.
I don't think the reviers use it really all that much. I don't think they load a lot of apps like most us users.. Idk it is sad. I also think Pandora for example is weird. Once you hit pause the icon disappears on top. So it's free to get killed. When songza for example, just pauses and keeps an icon on top. I'll almost chalk that up to bad programming. But fb, chrome and whatever, yea.. Sucky
It's really irritating. My 6 plus with 1gb of ram is better than this. What I don't get is you can have 400mb plus of ram available and stuff starts closing. Makes no sense.
I had this issue with my nexus too, and my s5 with lollypop.. I wonder if there is a settinf
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It's really irritating. My 6 plus with 1gb of ram is better than this. What I don't get is you can have 400mb plus of ram available and stuff starts closing. Makes no sense.
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Yep... I have less refreshes with my 6+ too.
The 400mb free ram available thing irks me too - if it's free why isn't it being used ? And what the heck is using up the 2.4gb before it ? Even when I tell it to close all my apps the most I have free is around 700mb which soon drops back to the 400-480mb mark. It's crazy how memory hungry and inefficient it's being.
holy crap! finally!
I've been searching for a thread like this for a week. Just got my phone a few days ago and man the ram management is piss poor. My HTC M7 doesn't have this issue. And yes I've wondered why no review site has mentioned this at all. I mostly noticed it on Chrome.. or even the stock browser. But yes it does this auto refresh crap on other apps as well. I don't know about you guys but I have the AT&The variant non edge and I have 5.0.2.
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I've been searching for a thread like this for a week. Just got my phone a few days ago and man the ram management is piss poor. My HTC M7 doesn't have this issue. And yes I've wondered why no review site has mentioned this at all. I mostly noticed it on Chrome.. or even the stock browser. But yes it does this auto refresh crap on other apps as well. I don't know about you guys but I have the AT&The variant non edge and I have 5.0.2.
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Yeah I have a stock UK/Ireland factory unbranded handset, so its not carrier app fault either unfortunately.
The M7 & M8 are both excellent indeed - with near stock android levels of memory management, which only goes to prove an android skin doesn't have to suck the life out of a device, which is exactly what Touchwiz feels like its doing.
The S5 wasn't great memory management wise, the Note 4 was good but no where near as good as the Note 3 memory wise and sadly the S6e seems very poor especially when you consider it has 3gb. So it seems to me since the Note 3 Samsung's flagships have been getting worse ram management wise rather than better.
I have a €950 flagship phone which handles memory about as good as a Moto G with 1gb.
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Yeah I have a stock UK/Ireland factory unbranded handset, so its not carrier app fault either unfortunately.
The M7 & M8 are both excellent indeed - with near stock android levels of memory management, which only goes to prove an android skin doesn't have to suck the life out of a device, which is exactly what Touchwiz feels like its doing.
The S5 wasn't great memory management wise, the Note 4 was good but no where near as good as the Note 3 memory wise and sadly the S6e seems very poor especially when you consider it has 3gb. So it seems to me since the Note 3 Samsung's flagships have been getting worse ram management wise rather than better.
I have a €950 flagship phone which handles memory about as good as a Moto G with 1gb.
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so you're telling me that the S5 for a year now still has crappy ram management??? that's just crazy and boggles my mind. i seriously don't want to keep this phone for 2 years of this nonsense (i get a new phone every 2 years). if that's the case i might just return this phone. as good as it is, that's almost a deal breaker to me. i always multitask switching from web page to messenger, to camera, sports apps etc.. etc.. then back to web page just to see it auto refresh every time! if i'm just bouncing back and forth between a couple apps within a min or so it doesn't seem to do this but after about 5 mins.. it never fails.. auto refresh is a certain. so sad. i don't want to go back to apple, but right now, i might have to return this phone and wait for iPhone 6S.
what also baffles me is that i don't seem to see much people talking about this issue considering this is a flagship phone and millions have already been sold worldwide.
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so you're telling me that the S5 for a year now still has crappy ram management??? that's just crazy and boggles my mind. i seriously don't want to keep this phone for 2 years of this nonsense (i get a new phone every 2 years). if that's the case i might just return this phone. as good as it is, that's almost a deal breaker to me. i always multitask switching from web page to messenger, to camera, sports apps etc.. etc.. then back to web page just to see it auto refresh every time! if i'm just bouncing back and forth between a couple apps within a min or so it doesn't seem to do this but after about 5 mins.. it never fails.. auto refresh is a certain. so sad. i don't want to go back to apple, but right now, i might have to return this phone and wait for iPhone 6S.
what also baffles me is that i don't seem to see much people talking about this issue considering this is a flagship phone and millions have already been sold worldwide.
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I think because the phone is otherwise very very fast some folks may not be noticing the refreshes. Its certainly more noticeable on apps that drop you out of what you were doing back to a previous menu screen like Tapatalk.
I think people genuinely want to believe the
Hype that the S6 & S6e are the nirvana of android...
I must admit I too am shocked folks aren't complaining more or are giving the device an easy pass on this issue, but for me its a total PITA.
I will keep the S6e until the next update and hope that has some memory tweaks, but if it doesn't I'll consider just selling it on.
I tiped phonearena about this issu and they announced it today so maybe this will open some eyes in Samsung dep.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Galaxy-S6-exhibiting-overzealous-RAM-management-report-users_id68745
now also up on Sammobile
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/04/28/poor-ram-management-affecting-the-galaxy-s6-and-s6-edge/
So far, ive had issues of battery drain with bundled apps such as the AMAZON app store, as most of us here are already aware. I wonder if this ram issue has to do with the same preloaded apps causing issues? What about people who rooted and reinstalled all Play-Store-Reinstallable apps, through the Play store, has that cleared this issue? Maybe the misbehaving apps are taking their system-level privilege a little too far?
Glad some review sites are taking an eye on this. It's actually really annoying. Even my music app constantly shuts off and I have to force it to cause a wake lock for it not to shut off (poweramp has this option)
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