What do you miss?
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When I went from WebOS to the OG Evo, I missed nothing.
POS Pre-2yrs EVO 3D-3mo. If there was something worth missing I musta missed it!!!
I went from my Palm Pre to my OG Epic and never looked back. Lack of good apps killed WebOS. Now that I have my EVO 3D, happy as a clam.
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Mmm no much maybe the notifications were better on web OS imo , but nothing else , screen too small for me
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Cards view, swyping up to go to cards view. The multitasking.
Say what you want about Android multitasking but it pales in comparison to webos
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Cards view, swyping up to go to cards view. The multitasking.
Say what you want about Android multitasking but it pales in comparison to webos
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I agree here. I miss the Multitasking from webos.
I got the palm pre the day it released but it was just too slow to move forward. Switched to the evo4g on release day then over to the 3d a few weeks after release. I miss the "cards" other than that I miss nothing
Yea cards were soo cool n conveinant its a shame how things went down one cool thing in the market has that came from webos is the wave launcher which i have on my 3d its nice to have a little piece of webos still
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NewZJ said:
Cards view, swyping up to go to cards view. The multitasking.
Say what you want about Android multitasking but it pales in comparison to webos
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Man, there used to be a launcher called Itching Thumb that was JUST like webos's card system. It's not in the Market anymore, though. I definitely used it on my EVO4G, (can't remember whether it was in a Froyo Rom or not) but does anyone else remember that launcher?
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Cards.
Wave launcher (Now I have that, but it's not the same :/)
Notifications were better.
Preware. -- Android needs an app similar to this, where root users can access mods, patches, and ROMs from one area. Only problem with this is that it's not as easy as it was with WebOS, as WebOS patches/mods were simply edits in the HTML5 based OS.
zadias said:
Cards.
Wave launcher (Now I have that, but it's not the same :/)
Notifications were better.
Preware. -- Android needs an app similar to this, where root users can access mods, patches, and ROMs from one area. Only problem with this is that it's not as easy as it was with WebOS, as WebOS patches/mods were simply edits in the HTML5 based OS.
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I also miss these.
Cards could be done with a custom ROM, however, it probably won't and it sounds pretty hard to make. Also, how would you access the cards menu? If it was home, you wouldn't be able to use your home screen anymore.
Notifications - There wasn't really an option to clear notifications unless you clicked on the bar at the bottom and sometimes that took up a lot of screen. I personally think android notifications are better, but an enhanced version of WebOS versions would also be really cool.
Preware - This is one thing I think we strongly need on Android. However, since there are so many devices on android, the mods would have to be device specific. Also, like you said, they would be much harder to make which means there wouldn't be that many mods. Even with these limitations, something like Preware or Cydia would be great for android.
I also miss these.
Cards could be done with a custom ROM, however, it probably won't and it sounds pretty hard to make. Also, how would you access the cards menu? If it was home, you wouldn't be able to use your home screen anymore.
Notifications - There wasn't really an option to clear notifications unless you clicked on the bar at the bottom and sometimes that took up a lot of screen. I personally think android notifications are better, but an enhanced version of WebOS versions would also be really cool.
Preware - This is one thing I think we strongly need on Android. However, since there are so many devices on android, the mods would have to be device specific. Also, like you said, they would be much harder to make which means there wouldn't be that many mods. Even with these limitations, something like Preware or Cydia would be great for android.
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Notifications... Either tapped program or swipe back and they would hide... Especially if app was full screen.
And preware could be done... But each device would need its own feeds...
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I had 18 palm pre such a bad phone . The idea of webos was cool but the hardware was just slow and even when u overclock it it didn't help .
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I had 18 palm pre such a bad phone . The idea of webos was cool but the hardware was just slow and even when u overclock it it didn't help .
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Exactly why I want webOS on my 3d.... Still loved my pre.
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Cards, Preware, Multitasking, the intuitive feel of the OS compared to Android, gestures, the polish of the OS.
People complaining about the apps and everything... I don't understand. I used Preware and had all the apps I needed on that thing. I maybe use 10 apps on my Evo/Evo 3d which is a little less than the amount I used on my Pre.
I loved my Palm Pre but when it broke, still have it..., I went to the HTC Touch Pro. Wow. I regret that decision. Then I held on to that POS until the Evo which was awesome but I still like webOS more than Android. People can make all the arguments they want about webOS not having a lot of apps but that never bothered me. Though, Android is awesome compared to iOS and WP7 (tried them both out and meh).
Never had webOS on a cellphone, so got no idea if its as good as people say it is/was.
Had a Touchpad for close to two weeks, and the only thing I miss, are the cards. Not using them for multitasking (since the Touchpad has pretty poor resolution, so it's hard to see what's going on in each card anyways) but I miss closing apps by just swiping the cards up. It's not a problem on my Evom but on the tablet I have, I really miss an easy way of closing programs.
Honeycomb is bad with that, like ALL the apps you've used the last couple of hours pop up if you click the taskswitcher, and if you use a lot of apps it becomes an unholy mess really fast. Would be nice to be able to close old apps in an easy way like that.
Overall webOS on the Touchpad was pretty awful. I ASSUME it was a lot better on cellphones than on the Touchpad, but it was slooow, and would complain if you had too many windows/cards open.
It was crazy how badly polished/finished that OS was... I mean the Touchpad had pretty good hardware, two dualcore Snapdragon CPUs at 1.2-1.4 Ghz. But it was still slow as molasses, and slower for browsing than my old HTC Desire.
The cards were kinda nice though!
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Well guys i have been using this TP for about 2 weeks (I bought the 32GB with touchstone at the firesale price) and I must say its bad ass! Personally I think its a nice looking tablet and it feels good in the hand. It may not be the lightest but I personally dont really notice it " fituging my hand". Now let me say I have been using "Palm" for years and think WebOS is by far the best OS with the worst people behind it... but I digress. After the original Pri and all the promises "Palm" made about new hardware just to keep the loyal customers waiting I dropped them. I am now a loyal android user and am using my romed Epic 4g with no problems (waiting for that Galaxy S 2 to drop).
So after putting my TP to 1.5ghz this thing is an amazing tablet and as far as specs go there is not many duel care 1.5ghz 1gb or ram having tablets out there. Plus the GPU is pretty amazing (and I dont think we have even started to utilize it yet). So for 150 bucks I think I got a good deal. If they where to put honeycomb on it this thing would rock (not that I like HC more the WebOS but all the apps really make it worthwhile). Now my favorite thing by far is the Touchstone, I fell in love with it with the Pri and missed it with every phone since. Why no one else has "copied" it is beyond me (yea there is Power matt but its not even close). It is amazing, not only does it "look cool" but its nice to just set the phone/tablet down and not have to find cords to hook up. The feel of tablet of smooth and I really like it.. even better then the Xoom or Ipad2 (yes I have had both). But one of the best features is the "Beats Audio" speakers. This tablet really sounds amazing compared to any other tablet.
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[DISCUSSION] webOS - A Rock to be polished into a Diamond
I'm a cappy and touchpad owner. I don't feel the hype of android on touchpad. You guys take all that effort and money to make WebOs better. There are a handfull of tablets with android around but there's only one with WebOs. Isn't that unique. Make those hours count on something special, not on something
more of the same. Still, I love Android!
loro1575 said:
I'm a cappy and touchpad owner. I don't feel the hype of android on touchpad. You guys take all that effort and money to make WebOs better. There are a handfull of tablets with android around but there's only one with WebOs. Isn't that unique. Make those hours count on something special, not on something
more of the same. Still, I love Android!
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I also managed to get a stupidly cheap touchpad and I have to say, I really don't know why webOS has been taking such a beating. Ok, the app support is very limited but I really like it, ok i've OC'd and tweaked a little but im more than happy with its performance. The only thing that I am missing is VNC and yes I know there is a VNC app in preware but it doesnt work on the touchpad, certainly not without a hardware keyboard anyway.
There are several website sites that just don't work on any of the android browsers I've tried but the touchpad handles them flawlessly. I have skype video which I can't get on Android either.
I'll be keeping webOS unless two things happen...
1) Android is available as a dual boot solution
2) There is no performance loss running Android
I feel the hype, but I'm not sure why...
I have a nook color that I ported to android. Yes, I understand that it does not even come close to the hardware in the touchpad but webOS is so much more fluid than gingerbread.
I really do miss all the available apps for android but also really like how webOS handles certain things, very easy to learn. Might have to hold out converting my touchpad over until they get honeycomb.
Wish some devs would put their effort into making apps for the touchpad. With so many sold, there is a good market there. I am willing to pay for apps, I think many people are, but really, there are no good ones right now.
Things the touchpad needs:
FTP client
Be able to connect to ad hoc networks (for tethering) my rooted OG droid only supports ad hoc for tether
Better Browser (firefox!) i'd even settle for an xscope or dolphin port! The browser is surprisingly severely lacking
There are so many more apps I could use but would settle for the above.
This probably isn't the right sub-forum, but I kind of agree. I also have a Nook Color with CM7 and am loving the slickness WebOS. The lack of apps is disappointing, but on the other hand a lot of Android apps are nothing impressive. I'm really not sure if I would put Android on the Touchpad if/when it's easily available (of course, I already have two other Android devices at home).
Like the above, ad hoc networking, some browser options or plugins, and personally a better PDF reader would be great (ezPDF on Android is nice), along with others. Hopefully since the market has grown from the fire sale, some devs will write or port more apps.
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The lack of apps is disappointing, but on the other hand a lot of Android apps are nothing impressive.
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There are far too many pointless apps out there both in the android market place and the store for that "i-thingy" that people are always harping on about
My needs are simple...
1) A web browser that works and has decent flash support - Check
2) Skype Video - Check
3) SSH Client - Check
4) VNC Client - FAIL
5) Occasional HD video playing (Kinda check)
I'm really hoping that a proper VNC client is developed, then I can forget about android.
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I also managed to get a stupidly cheap touchpad and I have to say, I really don't know why webOS has been taking such a beating. Ok, the app support is very limited but I really like it, ok i've OC'd and tweaked a little but im more than happy with its performance. The only thing that I am missing is VNC and yes I know there is a VNC app in preware but it doesnt work on the touchpad, certainly not without a hardware keyboard anyway.
There are several website sites that just don't work on any of the android browsers I've tried but the touchpad handles them flawlessly. I have skype video which I can't get on Android either.
I'll be keeping webOS unless two things happen...
1) Android is available as a dual boot solution
2) There is no performance loss running Android
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I agree with you guys that WebOs isn't that bad... However, I am going to port Android on mine for sure. The problem is the severe lack of apps. Developers are not going to want to develop for it since the Touchpads are dead. Yes they sold a crap ton of them in a matter of days but who wants to develop for an Os that will most likely be dead in a matter of years.
Something I would really like to see is a split keyboard like Thumb Keyboard or Swifkey Tablet. And Ad-Hoc Support would be nice too.
That's just my 2 cents.
Well my problem is that the SSL web login for my university wifi doesn't even work on the touchpad, which pretty much deem the tablet useless.
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I dunno if you knew about this, but WebOS natively supports USB-Host accessories. Look at that video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXRcvN50-nU (i am not the author, and not even an owner of touchpad yet)
it's on russian, but you can get the main idea: without any modifications, using microusb host cable and powered hub you can attach any USB KB to TP.
I have to say I agree with the OP in some sense. I'm an avid Android fan and I was once an avid windows mobile fan. WebOS seems like the marrying of Android, with its openness, and iOS, with its idiot proofness. I am excited about a dual boot but to be honest i won't see myself using android much on this tablet. I'm liking webOS more and more everyday.
i would actually want webOS with a sort of android app emulator if the apps is what you're after....otherwise i'm pretty happy with it, just wish someone would optimise the OS cuz i'm sure there's a lot of room for improvement
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I have to say I agree with the OP in some sense. I'm an avid Android fan and I was once an avid windows mobile fan. WebOS seems like the marrying of Android, with its openness, and iOS, with its idiot proofness. I am excited about a dual boot but to be honest i won't see myself using android much on this tablet. I'm liking webOS more and more everyday.
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I couldn't agree more, with the Touchpad updated to 3.0.2, overclocked to 1.8ghz on both cores and all the tweaks installed, it's a pretty good OS. I was looking ofrward to Android, now I think I'll stick with WebOS, or at most Dual-Boot, though as we've seen before, Android 2.3 doesn't work that fantastically on a tablet anyway...
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i would actually want webOS with a sort of android app emulator if the apps is what you're after....otherwise i'm pretty happy with it, just wish someone would optimise the OS cuz i'm sure there's a lot of room for improvement
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Did you load preware and overclock that helps smooth out the os quite a bit
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For me the 1990's era stock browser is the only major problem in the otherwise outstanding OS. I don't understand the logic of using such a basic featureless browser for such a critical aspect of the device.
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For me the 1990's era stock browser is the only major problem in the otherwise outstanding OS. I don't understand the logic of using such a basic featureless browser for such a critical aspect of the device.
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Yep. The awful browser and no alternatives is what makes webOS useless for me. Love the concept of the OS, but damn is it buggy. Have to reboot mine twice a day because the sound stops working. Haven't rebooted my iPad in over 3 months.
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I dunno if you knew about this, but WebOS natively supports USB-Host accessories. Look at that video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXRcvN50-nU (i am not the author, and not even an owner of touchpad yet)
it's on russian, but you can get the main idea: without any modifications, using microusb host cable and powered hub you can attach any USB KB to TP.
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Tried this with my USB Host cable I have for my Xoom and it doesn't work. It does however work beautifully on my Xoom .
Is there something I have to load on the Touchpad for it to Work?
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Yep. The awful browser and no alternatives is what makes webOS useless for me. Love the concept of the OS, but damn is it buggy. Have to reboot mine twice a day because the sound stops working. Haven't rebooted my iPad in over 3 months.
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I don't understand how people are saying the browser is awful? Maybe I just haven't experienced the issues people are having. It loads fast, it renders the internet just as a desktop would, flash works flawlessly. This is by far the best web browsing experience i've ever had. The only other thing i would want is tabs and a search function. I know advanced browser has this but advanced browser is super buggy.
I think webos can be a real competitor to the ipad, but many of the blogs I've watched seem to downplay the touchpad. I think a lot of people fear the touchpad is taking all the attention away from other tablets and gadgets. I've seen lots of hope with the Amazon tablet, but if HP comes back with another round of $99 touchpads all other tablets will be sitting on their butts.
It cannot be said enough, webOS is the most complete and most functional multitasking mobile OS out there. My wife has been a webOS fan and we just got 2 Touchpads and we love them, so do our kids. The ONLY thing missing are some key apps (Netflix, Googles) or this pad would be unbeatable which it almost is right now.
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I don't understand how people are saying the browser is awful? Maybe I just haven't experienced the issues people are having. It loads fast, it renders the internet just as a desktop would, flash works flawlessly. This is by far the best web browsing experience i've ever had. The only other thing i would want is tabs and a search function. I know advanced browser has this but advanced browser is super buggy.
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Ive posted about it elsewhere so I'll make it short. Doesn't render pages right. Glitches text rendering sometimes. No background downloading in background cards. Multiple cards open leads to the browser never re-sharpening the text when switching between them occasionally (25% of the time prob) until you close the card and reopen a new one. No search in page. Barely any customization. Slower than my Epic4g and iPad 1 at rendering and downloading webpages.
Flash works alright though. I don't really get what there is to like about the browser. It would be awesome if I didn't have an iPad or android phone to compare it to I guess.
I just made a video. Loading engadget. Single core 800mhz Ipad 1 on the left, Dual core 1.5ghz overclocked Touchpad on the right. iPad is using Safari and loading with ads and all and Touchpad has flash OFF and is using an ad blocker.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCmUyADNN4w
Pathetic performance by the Touchpad frankly.
Like the title says, how happy are you with your Touchpad?
I'm asking because I want a tablet and had made up my mind that I was going to get the Transformer Prime. However I'm now considering getting a Touchpad refurbished from ebay tomorrow. I know the prime has a quad core processor with a better gpu but I'm wondering if the Touchpad will do what I want.
I want a tablet for Internet browsing, play some games, read (I read a lot) and also possibly use at work.
I am a concierge at a resort so if I use it at work I will need to be able to take people's info (name, number, etc) so I can call a show/resteraunt and make reservations. I would also need to be able to show pictures of seating charts to show them where they will be sitting. I need to be able to switch between their info and the pictures quickly.
Does it sound like the Touchpad will do what I want or should I hold out for the prime?
Also does a capacitive stylus work with the Touchpad to take hand written notes?
If I get the Touchpad I will most likely be putting cm7/cm9 on it.
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Like the title says, how happy are you with your Touchpad?
I'm asking because I want a tablet and had made up my mind that I was going to get the Transformer Prime. However I'm now considering getting a Touchpad refurbished from ebay tomorrow. I know the prime has a quad core processor with a better gpu but I'm wondering if the Touchpad will do what I want.
I want a tablet for Internet browsing, play some games, read (I read a lot) and also possibly use at work.
I am a concierge at a resort so if I use it at work I will need to be able to take people's info (name, number, etc) so I can call a show/resteraunt and make reservations. I would also need to be able to show pictures of seating charts to show them where they will be sitting. I need to be able to switch between their info and the pictures quickly.
Does it sound like the Touchpad will do what I want or should I hold out for the prime?
Also does a capacitive stylus work with the Touchpad to take hand written notes?
If I get the Touchpad I will most likely be putting cm7/cm9 on it.
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For work purposes hp and android is not a good move. It's not native and will continue to be buggy. Hate to say it because I love my tp, but when it comes to work, I would use webos or another android device. Webos may be limited to what you want to accomplish too.
Do some heavy research on android/webOS/ipad reviews. They all do great things in their own right.
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the touchpad will do everything you need it to do (I can't speak for the stylus) if you put on cm7 I suggest getting the 32gig for sure as cm7 takes up roughly 2 gigs. But with webos becoming open source the touchpad will only get better. Personally I find the touchpad relaxing. Its is isn't so overdone so everything works the way it should, switching between apps is very pleasant, there isn't much customization but sometimes that's overrated anyway. I have a phone and computer to customize, I've found that I want my tablet to just work. And the touchpad works better than the iPad I feel. Android works great on it, so you will have that choice if you want. Honestly, for the price, you can't beat it, quad core is just ridiculously unneeded for what you said you'd use your tablet for. Also, I enjoy the virtual keyboard on the touchpad.
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I don't want an ipad they are to locked down for my taste(I had an iphone) Iproducts are to overrated Imo and are more like a fad. Plus if I'm going to spend $450+ I will just get the prime.
I'm thinking about getting the Touchpad and if it won't work the way I want it to I will just give it to my wife to play with and I will get the prime.
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the touchpad will do everything you need it to do (I can't speak for the stylus) if you put on cm7 I suggest getting the 32gig for sure as cm7 takes up roughly 2 gigs. But with webos becoming open source the touchpad will only get better. Personally I find the touchpad relaxing. Its is isn't so overdone so everything works the way it should, switching between apps is very pleasant, there isn't much customization but sometimes that's overrated anyway. I have a phone and computer to customize, I've found that I want my tablet to just work. And the touchpad works better than the iPad I feel. Android works great on it, so you will have that choice if you want. Honestly, for the price, you can't beat it, quad core is just ridiculously unneeded for what you said you'd use your tablet for. Also, I enjoy the virtual keyboard on the touchpad.
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Do you use cm7 or webos on your Touchpad?
Can cm7 overclock BOTH cores to 1.7ghz like webos can?
yes, you can overclock
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I agree with many of the comments.
As you are describing your use the TouchPad should work. I have not used a stylus myself, but I am fairly certain they will work with any capacitive screen, so they should work on the TouchPad. There is a whole thread on styluses in the accessory forum.
I also felt CM7 is buggy. I prefer webOS myself. The app switching, and multi-tasking is so much more intuitive in webOS. It's logical and elegant. Gingerbread does not multi-task in a easy to use way. I have not used Honeycomb, so I cannot speak to that. I think CM9 on the TouchPad will make this device a halo device. webOS just feels like it was designed with tablets in mind, ginderbread does not.
If you buy a TouchPad for $99, and the accessory pack for $79, you will have a stand to set it on (Touchstone charger), a keyboard, and a great case. Its like having a netbook that you never have to plug in or unplug.
If you get one on Sunday and don't like it, and your wife doesn't like it (both unlikely) your worst case scenario is that you sell it, double your money (at least), and use that to buy the prime.
I think if you buy it without any pre-conceived stereotypes, you will find your self pleasantly surprised and very happy with it. You really have nothing to lose if you buy it.
I love my Touchpad although I do miss the "cards" from WebOS. I know that during the first couple of days after I switched to Android I'd hit the home button and expect my app to go into a card instead of just going back to the home screen. I also ended up heavily modifying Android when I initially installed it on the Touchpad which slowed it down to the point where when I switched back to WebOS for something the increase in responsiveness and the fluidity of the OS really made me wonder whether I should stick with WebOS for the entirity of my ownership of the Touchpad ... but then the lack of the apps really started wearing on me and went back to Android with the knowledge of making slight modifications instead of trying to make it look exactly like ICS.
I say dual boot the touchpad-
For work, it sounds like webos is enough.
For home, android is fun
You can dual boot the touchpad? Hmmmmm. Sounds like I need the 32gb version!
As far as I know, right now webOS doesn't support handwriting input. Everything else should work for you. Hit Precentral, and add a few patches or mods, and you should be set.
Also, in a few months, there should be some major changes to webOS, once the source is given a repository.
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Novarider said:
You can dual boot the touchpad? Hmmmmm. Sounds like I need the 32gb version!
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Right now dual boot is the only way, you cannot remove webOS. The 16 is plenty, after installing both I have like 13GB left.
I have no complaints with the touchpad at all. I still find myself recommending it to people as a tablet to buy for $ value (even used or on craigs/ebay etc).
looking forward to putting the Android on it within the next week once I find some free time.
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Right now dual boot is the only way, you cannot remove webOS. The 16 is plenty, after installing both I have like 13GB left.
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You can boot into either os you want? Like its an option?
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You can boot into either os you want? Like its an option?
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Yes. There is a boot menu upon powering on and you can select which one you want to boot from. If you don't select anything in 5 seconds, it automatically boots Android (Can be changed).
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You can boot into either os you want? Like its an option?
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Every reboot
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I changed mine to default to webOS instead on Android. I prefer webOS for most tasks, but every once in a while I will switch back. There is a reboot to webOS option in the power menu, but in my experience it just shuts it down.
I hope the ICS implementation is the same. Its nice knowing you have a backup OS, but with ICS I think I will make ICS my default.
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Yeah, you can't actually get away from webos on the touchpad, cm7 is still in alpha testing so destroying webos would be a mistake, the deva set jr up to dualboot and its actually a really simple process, I just followed a YouTube video.
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does android drop?
I had a Toshiba Folio 100 and after 1 or 2 hours of work Gingerbread used to get stuck i had to restart... same with honeycomb... but i guess that was a RAM thing...
what about touchpad? - do you need to restart it and if yes - how many times a day or on what hourly basis?
So how is multitasking on the evo 4g lte? Does the web browser reload the page if you open a txt message and then come back to the browser 2-3 minutes later?
Kind of concerned about the build quality posts. How bad are the charging ports? The glossy plastic not snapping down in all 4 corners?
i havent had any issues yet, it snaps down great and the browser works fine, even integrates with chrome very well. the multitasker seems alright so far. probably only a issue for something you have like 6 tasks back.
the point is if you look for a problem there will be a problem
I have had a bunch of things open at once and not really run into this issue yet.
Restola said:
So how is multitasking on the evo 4g lte? Does the web browser reload the page if you open a txt message and then come back to the browser 2-3 minutes later?
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Being a recent webOS refugee, I'm used to a certain level of multitasking. I can say it isn't great, most apps refresh when switching back to them in an incredibly annoying fashion. Otherwise while not quite webOS level, the multitasking works well enough.
minor multitasking issue on evo 4g lte
The only real multitasking issue I have run into is that Rhapsody will stop if you launch another app. I think this is more app related because google play music and the built in music player work fine with other apps running. I'm thinking this is an app issue that can hopefully be fixed with an update.
My apps seem to almost always reload when returning to them (even if it's only been several seconds.
I notice it most when using the tapatalk app, because I'm constantly losing my place.
My E4GT was much better at multitasking!
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Being a recent webOS refugee, I'm used to a certain level of multitasking. I can say it isn't great, most apps refresh when switching back to them in an incredibly annoying fashion. Otherwise while not quite webOS level, the multitasking works well enough.
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All of us webOS refugees will never be satisfied with multitasking unless someone comes out with a card system like webOS. It was the perfect UI with a few software short comings and huge hardware short comings(that's where it really failed). Anyway, the LTEVO is the closest I've seen to the card system on webOS except for the reloading issue. A few software fixes will make this phone even better.
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benthe1 said:
All of us webOS refugees will never be satisfied with multitasking unless someone comes out with a card system like webOS. It was the perfect UI with a few software short comings and huge hardware short comings(that's where it really failed). Anyway, the LTEVO is the closest I've seen to the card system on webOS except for the reloading issue. A few software fixes will make this phone even better.
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Yeah, the EVO LTE is decently close except the annoying refreshes, which practically eliminate all the benefit of multitasking in the first place. It would also be nice if the fake cards shifted through one at a time rather than advancing all the way when scrolling between them.
Is there any way to actually make the GPU render the friggin' UI? Like iOS. I've had an iPhone 3GS in my Hands and it was really smooth.. I later on checked the spec's at home (600mhz single core cpu, 256mb ram), so does anyone know how to make Android as smooth as iOS? Or is there any ROM which you think is really smooth?
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Is there any way to actually make the GPU render the friggin' UI? Like iOS. I've had an iPhone 3GS in my Hands and it was really smooth.. I later on checked the spec's at home (600mhz single core cpu, 256mb ram), so does anyone know how to make Android as smooth as iOS? Or is there any ROM which you think is really smooth?
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yes. use ICS... and use updated GPU drivers. i would go on to tell you to use sense 4, but for the sake of your ease, stick with 3.6.
in this order... flash ICS w/ 3.6sense, flash chad's kernel which can be found @ infectedrom.com. flash gpu drivers. then, if you REALLY wanna boost that ****, use zepelinrox's V6 Supercharger (the option of 1000hp) and his Kick-Ass-Kernalizer. Optionally, use his 3g Turbocharger. Those three things of his, are scripts, which you can execute with Script Manager. If you do some reearch on the things I have stated here (this goes for many other users), you will never even remember why the hell Apple came up with the idea to go mobile...
ugh....iphone...what a waste of time/space continuums...
Tilde88 said:
yes. use ICS... and use updated GPU drivers. i would go on to tell you to use sense 4, but for the sake of you ease, stick with 3.6.
ugh....iphone...what a waste of time/space continuums...
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The updated GPU drivers and forced GPU rendering doesn't really seem to do anything.
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The updated GPU drivers and forced GPU rendering doesn't really seem to do anything.
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... what rom. i swear if its not ICS... are you still on 2.3.4 Cobra ROM?............................................................
if you cannot tell the difference, you either did it wrong, or have bad eyes.
maybe iPhone was better for you?
btw never ever ever mentioned anyhing about forced GPU rendering... i was implying that you knew that ICS uses HW.. (erm Hardware) Acceleration.
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iOS renders the UI so fast because it is only showing pictures. Flip through the pictures in your gallery. That is all that iOS is doing with the homescreens. With Android, it actually renders everything because of the availability of widgets and live wallpapers.
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Read.
http://goo.gl/5iLSk
Here's a quote that is towards the end of the post from the link I attached.
DDiaz007 said:
Android UI will never be completely smooth because of the design constraints I discussed at the beginning:
- UI rendering occurs on the main thread of an app
- UI rendering has normal priority
Even with a Galaxy Nexus, or the quad-core EeePad Transformer Prime, there is no way to guarantee a smooth frame rate if these two design constraints remain true. It’s telling that it takes the power of a Galaxy Nexus to approach the smoothness of a three year old iPhone. So why did the Android team design the rendering framework like this?
Work on Android started before the release of the iPhone, and at the time Android was designed to be a competitor to the Blackberry. The original Android prototype wasn’t a touch screen device. Android’s rendering trade-offs make sense for a keyboard and trackball device. When the iPhone came out, the Android team rushed to release a competitor product, but unfortunately it was too late to rewrite the UI framework.
This is the same reason why Windows Mobile 6.5, Blackberry OS, and Symbian have terrible touch screen performance. Like Android, they were not designed to prioritise UI rendering. Since the iPhone’s release, RIM, Microsoft, and Nokia have abandoned their mobile OS’s and started from scratch. Android is the only mobile OS left that existed pre-iPhone.
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Read.
http://goo.gl/5iLSk
Here's a quote that is towards the end of the post from the link I attached.
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First off, thank you.
Secondly; why do they keep bringing out 2core, 4core phones with 1gb ram etc. if the ****ing problem is the OS? Can't they rewrite those lines? Like I really don't get it tbh, and ICS' HW or Rom's with "forced GPU rendering" aren't really helping. Google should get its **** together :/
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First off, thank you.
Secondly; why do they keep bringing out 2core, 4core phones with 1gb ram etc. if the ****ing problem is the OS? Can't they rewrite those lines? Like I really don't get it tbh, and ICS' HW or Rom's with "forced GPU rendering" aren't really helping. Google should get its **** together :/
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In short, they simply can't rewrite how android handles the UI rendering priority. If they wanted to, they would have had to start with scratch. It isn't as simple as changing a few lines code.
Heck, changing a few lines of code is going to break something else, and then they would have to fix that, and fixing that may break something else. See where I'm going?
I'm no expert, and if anyone is, then please chime in. To my understanding, something like this isn't as delicate as you may think. Everything is running off that particular code on how Android operates the UI rendering priority. Changing the fundamental thing that helps Android operate, would mean everything else would have to follow suit.
Oh, and I forgot to mention HW acceleration does make a difference.
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If you want super smooth performance, I would highly suggest mean rom 4.3 with chads latest gingerbread kernel. Then get launcher pro as it is extremely smooth and I prefer it over the stock launcher anyway. I have next to no lag with that combo
Lololololol @ ios being faster...there homescreen is a bunch of pictures moving around..what does it need to render? They don't have widgets lolol
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I have an iPod Touch 4th gen and notice lag in that. It is smoother, but much more boring in terms of the ui. Trade offs I guess. But honestly, no matter which rom I run on my EVO 3D, I rarely, but not never, notice lag other than immediately after powering on. Maybe it's just me though.
"How come you are not baptized?"
My phone is always smooth..learn to use android
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Cetus Corr said:
I have an iPod Touch 4th gen and notice lag in that. It is smoother, but much more boring in terms of the ui. Trade offs I guess. But honestly, no matter which rom I run on my EVO 3D, I rarely, but not never, notice lag other than immediately after powering on. Maybe it's just me though.
"How come you are not baptized?"
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Well the ui is so simple it shouldn't lag..and ios is pictures so its not really rendering much
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ZeRo2o9 said:
My phone is always smooth..learn to use android
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ignore OP. just a troll appleboy. notice how i have posted suggestions on what to flash. $5 says hes never even seen ICS, nor does he even know about the GPU drivers i told him to search about. Another $5 says he still is on Gingerbread, and no hardware acceleration. my phone s FLUID as water... for example, scrolling through homescreens and dragging down the notification bar, i feel that it moves faster than i touch it... almost like it knows what i want it to do. the graphical part is >~=60FPS. please just ignore OP
Troll or not it's been admitted even by the Android devs that iOS is smoother. Only because it runs a simplistic way. I'm fine with my 3D and prefer the added benefits of Android
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ignore OP. just a troll appleboy. notice how i have posted suggestions on what to flash. $5 says hes never even seen ICS, nor does he even know about the GPU drivers i told him to search about. Another $5 says he still is on Gingerbread, and no hardware acceleration. my phone s FLUID as water... for example, scrolling through homescreens and dragging down the notification bar, i feel that it moves faster than i touch it... almost like it knows what i want it to do. the graphical part is >~=60FPS. please just ignore OP
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>OP asks, with no hostility, how to make his Android device smoother
>You respond, almost insulting him right off the bat
>He says he doesn't notice a difference
>You decide to be completely hostile back
So just because he tried what you suggested and it didn't make the difference he was looking for, you decide that he is a troll and a fanboy and go off on him acting like you're superior?
Sounds like YOU'RE the fanboy.
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>OP asks, with no hostility, how to make his Android device smoother
>You respond, almost insulting him right off the bat
>He says he doesn't notice a difference
>You decide to be completely hostile back
So just because he tried what you suggested and it didn't make the difference he was looking for, you decide that he is a troll and a fanboy and go off on him acting like you're superior?
Sounds like YOU'RE the fanboy.
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What people need to realize is being a douchey Android fanboy is no better than being a stupid apple fanboy.
They both have their ups and downs. iOS is way smoother in terms of UI which I do agree with.
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Tilde88 said:
ignore OP. just a troll appleboy. notice how i have posted suggestions on what to flash. $5 says hes never even seen ICS, nor does he even know about the GPU drivers i told him to search about. Another $5 says he still is on Gingerbread, and no hardware acceleration. my phone s FLUID as water... for example, scrolling through homescreens and dragging down the notification bar, i feel that it moves faster than i touch it... almost like it knows what i want it to do. the graphical part is >~=60FPS. please just ignore OP
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I'm currently running Anryl's newest ROM (without the buggy NEW drivers you suggested). I think it's sad and even more pathetic how you have to insult me in that way, it really does show your mentality.
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@SoraX64 and yousefak; Thank you both for defending me! (gave you both a Thanks for it too ^.~)
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What people need to realize is being a douchey Android fanboy is no better than being a stupid apple fanboy.
They both have their ups and downs. iOS is way smoother in terms of UI which I do agree with.
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But Apple is evil!!!!!!! Android4eva
ok just to clarify... i dont give a flying anything what you all think about me, being hostile from the start. no i was not. i gave precise instructions to help, post #2 and post #4. but since those things were ignored, i gathered my perception of the OP. i had a nice writeup for people to get their 3G speeds up to par, but you know what. screw this community. bunch of flame-hards.
and yes, i didn 'almost insultingly' post something... on the second page... get off your high horses... im done with XDA... just a leech now. screw you guys.
I'm going back to iphone.
This thing force closes way too much.... I know rooting and custom ROM can address some of it but I feel iphone is still optimized better than android. OK maybe I don't know but I just never had any issues with their hardware or apps.
Yeah I guess I'm not the type of person who really appreciates customization capability. I realized ONLY thing I like about this particular android is the large screen.
Sorry this is just a bad morning and my android is acting all ****ed up. Happens way too often.
If you are new to Android coming from the iPhone then you'll feel that way for a bit. I did miss my iPhone but once these awesome devs clear up some bugs you'll be really happy....if you like customizing. I couldn't stand iTunes so once I got around the noobness point, Android is so much nicer. The iPhone is more for people that just want to push an icon like my wife and kids.
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Thats wierd, im stock and i rarely get any force closes. Usually the only FC's i get are due to apps on their end. I love how everyone always says how the apple apps never crash, blah blah blah. I guess stupid tech will always have its place
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I'm going back to iphone.
This thing force closes way too much.... I know rooting and custom ROM can address some of it but I feel iphone is still optimized better than android. OK maybe I don't know but I just never had any issues with their hardware or apps.
Yeah I guess I'm not the type of person who really appreciates customization capability. I realized ONLY thing I like about this particular android is the large screen.
Sorry this is just a bad morning and my android is acting all ****ed up. Happens way too often.
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Yea if you are stock you shouldn't have too many problems. The beauty of the xda forum is you can tell us your problem and people get together to help solve it. Id rather use xda than talk to a genius any day.
Tell us what's wrong so we can help you.
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Most likely a bad device.
I have had mine since mid December...all stock, only updates via Kies.
It's been more stable than 2.2.2 on my Dell Streak.
As for a 5" iPhone, well, Jobs is gone so anything is possible.
You watch though...if Apple comes out with a screen anywhere near the
size of 5", the iphone fanbois will trumpet it out that it is an innovation and
the best thing in the world LOL.
lol you do realize stuff crashes consistantly on the iphone it just doesnt tell you right?
Force Closes are from improperly written apps. this happens, there are so many varients in the Android world it is hard to keep up with the changes.
Apple has a set screen size depending on the device, Android has many different screen sizes.
If you like to DUMB down then go back to the iPhone.
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I'm going back to iphone.
This thing force closes way too much.... I know rooting and custom ROM can address some of it but I feel iphone is still optimized better than android. OK maybe I don't know but I just never had any issues with their hardware or apps.
Yeah I guess I'm not the type of person who really appreciates customization capability. I realized ONLY thing I like about this particular android is the large screen.
Sorry this is just a bad morning and my android is acting all ****ed up. Happens way too often.
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First I was gonna tell you "see ya", but I guess I'll say that I have no, not one, force close and my device is closer to me than wrist watch or glasses... My device functions this way because I read about everyone else problems and solutions and either avoid the base situation, or utilize the communities experiences for the solution... Our Android family bought our grandfather an iPhone because of his age... Lmao. Does that tell you anything? If you must go then thanks for stopping by, but if you can stay, we will do our level best to match your enthusiasm and drive...
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i'd be very happy with a g note running webos .that would be great
ferchope said:
i'd be very happy with a g note running webos .that would be great
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Blasphemy
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ferchope said:
i'd be very happy with a g note running webos .that would be great
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lol! you must not need apps at all
astang99 said:
Thats wierd, im stock and i rarely get any force closes. Usually the only FC's i get are due to apps on their end. I love how everyone always says how the apple apps never crash, blah blah blah. I guess stupid tech will always have its place
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There was actually a study published a few months ago that showed that major iPhone apps actually crash more often than their Android counterparts; however, since the iPhone doesn't display a message to the user when that happens, and it doesn't give the users an option to report the crash, most iPhone users perceive fewer crashes. (In other words, they simply think that they must have hit the Home or Close buttons since all the iPhone does is crash back to their homescreens).
The second theory on why this is the case is that it's much easier and faster to release app updates on Android markets. Android devs can easily roll out responsive updates while iPhone devs have to submit every single update to Apple's ridiculous approval process.
Story here:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomiogeron/2012/02/02/does-ios-crash-more-than-android-a-data-dive/
The truth will set you free.
I've been running the I717 since day one and I've gotten exactly 1 FC from a weird app I downloaded. once I deleted it I was good. Try doing a factory reset and start fresh. download apps that have 4 or more stars. My phone has been a champ from day one with all the crap I throw at it (not even screen slowdowns like some are reporting). If you don't like it, you don't like it, there's no harm in that. All I know is my Ipod frustrates me something fierce when I use it so irritations go both ways. Hope you stick around, the stock ICS should be wandering through in the next couple of months. If you don't want to wait, I hear there's awesome Roms of ICS already. check it out.
I'm going back to iPhone as soon as someone trades me back on CL
What I've had from start to finish? Tilt, Touch Pro 2, G1, BB 8120, BB FLIP, G1, 3GS, Vibrant, EVO, Hero, Epic, EVO, Nexus S, the sprint WP7 can't recall name, EVO, Epic, EVO, EVO3D, 4S Sprint, 4S AT&T, Note AT&T.
I am the most unbiased person possible.
I switched from the iPhone back to Android because the screen was annoying for Draw Something, the edges on the phone are somewhat sharp & annoyed me in long typing sessions, no LTE.
What I've experienced on the Note, & why I said when I went back to the iPhone after the EVO3D that I would never go back to Android: LAG.
What good is customization if everything lags. What's the point of customization anyway? It's not like a computer that has incredible battery life & the customization is actually useful. It's just pretty widgets & UI mods.
I'm also shocked at how many ads are in the free apps compared to years ago.
Anyway, I'll go back to my sound app ecosystem with no lag. On top of that, the apps seem to run a lot smoother & take advantage of the A5 dual core vs the dual core in the Note.
+ I've spent way too much $$ on apps for iOS LOL. Sure I could get some for free on Android, but some simply aren't avail. Some I would have to buy again. Unfortunately, they all run better on iOS.
I will miss the s pen functions (and the Sammy cameras always seem better - I am disappointed by the 4S camera), but I'll survive. The only Android I want is the ASUS Padphone or an ASUS tablet (I had the Transformer #1 for a month, oh & of course I've had an iPad in the past, but prefer the Android tablet OS)
I haven't had an fc since i flashed team perfections latest pics rom. IPhones might be solid but they're so damn boring and plain
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Then Samsung should sue them for "copying"
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I feel like the microwave has screwed everything up. Of something takes a half second to open, we're screaming lag!!!
I like tech stuff but it's still a phone.
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I'm not talking about waiting for things to open.. I'm talking about stutter lag & multiple second to go back to the home screen lag. Legitimate lag.
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I'm not talking about waiting for things to open.. I'm talking about stutter lag & multiple second to go back to the home screen lag. Legitimate lag.
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In my experience with android devices the major culprit for lag is on screen widgets that update. If you set up your device like ios with nothing but apps you will see no lag. If you use widgets and stuff you might redraw.
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reyderosquillas said:
I'm going back to iPhone as soon as someone trades me back on CL
What I've had from start to finish? Tilt, Touch Pro 2, G1, BB 8120, BB FLIP, G1, 3GS, Vibrant, EVO, Hero, Epic, EVO, Nexus S, the sprint WP7 can't recall name, EVO, Epic, EVO, EVO3D, 4S Sprint, 4S AT&T, Note AT&T.
I am the most unbiased person possible.
I switched from the iPhone back to Android because the screen was annoying for Draw Something, the edges on the phone are somewhat sharp & annoyed me in long typing sessions, no LTE.
What I've experienced on the Note, & why I said when I went back to the iPhone after the EVO3D that I would never go back to Android: LAG.
What good is customization if everything lags. What's the point of customization anyway? It's not like a computer that has incredible battery life & the customization is actually useful. It's just pretty widgets & UI mods.
I'm also shocked at how many ads are in the free apps compared to years ago.
Anyway, I'll go back to my sound app ecosystem with no lag. On top of that, the apps seem to run a lot smoother & take advantage of the A5 dual core vs the dual core in the Note.
+ I've spent way too much $$ on apps for iOS LOL. Sure I could get some for free on Android, but some simply aren't avail. Some I would have to buy again. Unfortunately, they all run better on iOS.
I will miss the s pen functions (and the Sammy cameras always seem better - I am disappointed by the 4S camera), but I'll survive. The only Android I want is the ASUS Padphone or an ASUS tablet (I had the Transformer #1 for a month, oh & of course I've had an iPad in the past, but prefer the Android tablet OS)
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Interesting observations. Honestly I see my Ipod lag a whole lot more than my note (or even my streak) with much much fewer apps. I mean I use my ipod for pandora, email and rage comics and running all three at once it lags something fierce. I can do all that with my note plus play temple run and not see a stutter. As for the in app adverts, apple is just as bad, but the funnier thing is, the ration of paid vs free apps in IOS is a lot higher in favor of paid apps than in android, which is probably why you see fewer ads in IOS. One thing I noticed with IOS is most apps, especially the free ones, rarely have over 3 stars, makes me wonder if they're really worth the time... All I know is, between IOS and android, I prefer android hands down, I can customize my UI how I want to, I can have widgets if I'd like and do virtually whatever I want with it. if you want I can talk with my buddy to see if he'll trade his 4S strait across for your note.