Is there any way to actually make the GPU render the friggin' UI? Like iOS. I've had an iPhone 3GS in my Hands and it was really smooth.. I later on checked the spec's at home (600mhz single core cpu, 256mb ram), so does anyone know how to make Android as smooth as iOS? Or is there any ROM which you think is really smooth?
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Is there any way to actually make the GPU render the friggin' UI? Like iOS. I've had an iPhone 3GS in my Hands and it was really smooth.. I later on checked the spec's at home (600mhz single core cpu, 256mb ram), so does anyone know how to make Android as smooth as iOS? Or is there any ROM which you think is really smooth?
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yes. use ICS... and use updated GPU drivers. i would go on to tell you to use sense 4, but for the sake of your ease, stick with 3.6.
in this order... flash ICS w/ 3.6sense, flash chad's kernel which can be found @ infectedrom.com. flash gpu drivers. then, if you REALLY wanna boost that ****, use zepelinrox's V6 Supercharger (the option of 1000hp) and his Kick-Ass-Kernalizer. Optionally, use his 3g Turbocharger. Those three things of his, are scripts, which you can execute with Script Manager. If you do some reearch on the things I have stated here (this goes for many other users), you will never even remember why the hell Apple came up with the idea to go mobile...
ugh....iphone...what a waste of time/space continuums...
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yes. use ICS... and use updated GPU drivers. i would go on to tell you to use sense 4, but for the sake of you ease, stick with 3.6.
ugh....iphone...what a waste of time/space continuums...
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The updated GPU drivers and forced GPU rendering doesn't really seem to do anything.
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The updated GPU drivers and forced GPU rendering doesn't really seem to do anything.
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... what rom. i swear if its not ICS... are you still on 2.3.4 Cobra ROM?............................................................
if you cannot tell the difference, you either did it wrong, or have bad eyes.
maybe iPhone was better for you?
btw never ever ever mentioned anyhing about forced GPU rendering... i was implying that you knew that ICS uses HW.. (erm Hardware) Acceleration.
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iOS renders the UI so fast because it is only showing pictures. Flip through the pictures in your gallery. That is all that iOS is doing with the homescreens. With Android, it actually renders everything because of the availability of widgets and live wallpapers.
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Read.
http://goo.gl/5iLSk
Here's a quote that is towards the end of the post from the link I attached.
DDiaz007 said:
Android UI will never be completely smooth because of the design constraints I discussed at the beginning:
- UI rendering occurs on the main thread of an app
- UI rendering has normal priority
Even with a Galaxy Nexus, or the quad-core EeePad Transformer Prime, there is no way to guarantee a smooth frame rate if these two design constraints remain true. It’s telling that it takes the power of a Galaxy Nexus to approach the smoothness of a three year old iPhone. So why did the Android team design the rendering framework like this?
Work on Android started before the release of the iPhone, and at the time Android was designed to be a competitor to the Blackberry. The original Android prototype wasn’t a touch screen device. Android’s rendering trade-offs make sense for a keyboard and trackball device. When the iPhone came out, the Android team rushed to release a competitor product, but unfortunately it was too late to rewrite the UI framework.
This is the same reason why Windows Mobile 6.5, Blackberry OS, and Symbian have terrible touch screen performance. Like Android, they were not designed to prioritise UI rendering. Since the iPhone’s release, RIM, Microsoft, and Nokia have abandoned their mobile OS’s and started from scratch. Android is the only mobile OS left that existed pre-iPhone.
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Read.
http://goo.gl/5iLSk
Here's a quote that is towards the end of the post from the link I attached.
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First off, thank you.
Secondly; why do they keep bringing out 2core, 4core phones with 1gb ram etc. if the ****ing problem is the OS? Can't they rewrite those lines? Like I really don't get it tbh, and ICS' HW or Rom's with "forced GPU rendering" aren't really helping. Google should get its **** together :/
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First off, thank you.
Secondly; why do they keep bringing out 2core, 4core phones with 1gb ram etc. if the ****ing problem is the OS? Can't they rewrite those lines? Like I really don't get it tbh, and ICS' HW or Rom's with "forced GPU rendering" aren't really helping. Google should get its **** together :/
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In short, they simply can't rewrite how android handles the UI rendering priority. If they wanted to, they would have had to start with scratch. It isn't as simple as changing a few lines code.
Heck, changing a few lines of code is going to break something else, and then they would have to fix that, and fixing that may break something else. See where I'm going?
I'm no expert, and if anyone is, then please chime in. To my understanding, something like this isn't as delicate as you may think. Everything is running off that particular code on how Android operates the UI rendering priority. Changing the fundamental thing that helps Android operate, would mean everything else would have to follow suit.
Oh, and I forgot to mention HW acceleration does make a difference.
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If you want super smooth performance, I would highly suggest mean rom 4.3 with chads latest gingerbread kernel. Then get launcher pro as it is extremely smooth and I prefer it over the stock launcher anyway. I have next to no lag with that combo
Lololololol @ ios being faster...there homescreen is a bunch of pictures moving around..what does it need to render? They don't have widgets lolol
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I have an iPod Touch 4th gen and notice lag in that. It is smoother, but much more boring in terms of the ui. Trade offs I guess. But honestly, no matter which rom I run on my EVO 3D, I rarely, but not never, notice lag other than immediately after powering on. Maybe it's just me though.
"How come you are not baptized?"
My phone is always smooth..learn to use android
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Cetus Corr said:
I have an iPod Touch 4th gen and notice lag in that. It is smoother, but much more boring in terms of the ui. Trade offs I guess. But honestly, no matter which rom I run on my EVO 3D, I rarely, but not never, notice lag other than immediately after powering on. Maybe it's just me though.
"How come you are not baptized?"
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Well the ui is so simple it shouldn't lag..and ios is pictures so its not really rendering much
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My phone is always smooth..learn to use android
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ignore OP. just a troll appleboy. notice how i have posted suggestions on what to flash. $5 says hes never even seen ICS, nor does he even know about the GPU drivers i told him to search about. Another $5 says he still is on Gingerbread, and no hardware acceleration. my phone s FLUID as water... for example, scrolling through homescreens and dragging down the notification bar, i feel that it moves faster than i touch it... almost like it knows what i want it to do. the graphical part is >~=60FPS. please just ignore OP
Troll or not it's been admitted even by the Android devs that iOS is smoother. Only because it runs a simplistic way. I'm fine with my 3D and prefer the added benefits of Android
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ignore OP. just a troll appleboy. notice how i have posted suggestions on what to flash. $5 says hes never even seen ICS, nor does he even know about the GPU drivers i told him to search about. Another $5 says he still is on Gingerbread, and no hardware acceleration. my phone s FLUID as water... for example, scrolling through homescreens and dragging down the notification bar, i feel that it moves faster than i touch it... almost like it knows what i want it to do. the graphical part is >~=60FPS. please just ignore OP
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>OP asks, with no hostility, how to make his Android device smoother
>You respond, almost insulting him right off the bat
>He says he doesn't notice a difference
>You decide to be completely hostile back
So just because he tried what you suggested and it didn't make the difference he was looking for, you decide that he is a troll and a fanboy and go off on him acting like you're superior?
Sounds like YOU'RE the fanboy.
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>OP asks, with no hostility, how to make his Android device smoother
>You respond, almost insulting him right off the bat
>He says he doesn't notice a difference
>You decide to be completely hostile back
So just because he tried what you suggested and it didn't make the difference he was looking for, you decide that he is a troll and a fanboy and go off on him acting like you're superior?
Sounds like YOU'RE the fanboy.
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What people need to realize is being a douchey Android fanboy is no better than being a stupid apple fanboy.
They both have their ups and downs. iOS is way smoother in terms of UI which I do agree with.
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ignore OP. just a troll appleboy. notice how i have posted suggestions on what to flash. $5 says hes never even seen ICS, nor does he even know about the GPU drivers i told him to search about. Another $5 says he still is on Gingerbread, and no hardware acceleration. my phone s FLUID as water... for example, scrolling through homescreens and dragging down the notification bar, i feel that it moves faster than i touch it... almost like it knows what i want it to do. the graphical part is >~=60FPS. please just ignore OP
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I'm currently running Anryl's newest ROM (without the buggy NEW drivers you suggested). I think it's sad and even more pathetic how you have to insult me in that way, it really does show your mentality.
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What people need to realize is being a douchey Android fanboy is no better than being a stupid apple fanboy.
They both have their ups and downs. iOS is way smoother in terms of UI which I do agree with.
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But Apple is evil!!!!!!! Android4eva
ok just to clarify... i dont give a flying anything what you all think about me, being hostile from the start. no i was not. i gave precise instructions to help, post #2 and post #4. but since those things were ignored, i gathered my perception of the OP. i had a nice writeup for people to get their 3G speeds up to par, but you know what. screw this community. bunch of flame-hards.
and yes, i didn 'almost insultingly' post something... on the second page... get off your high horses... im done with XDA... just a leech now. screw you guys.
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Ok so i just installed linpack on a friends iphone 3gs running os4 and i ran a few test and it maxed out at 30.x mflops and i was amazed that an iphone could get to such high speeds.
i mean i hate iphones but this just kinda shows that they are good at somethings....
plz don't flame me for writing this.
the iphone wasn't overclocked or jailbroken (rooted) either.
why does the iphone get so many more mflops than the droid eris or even the nexus one?
31 veiws = no response?
I've said a million times benchmarks mean nothing =p especially mflops. But the iphone has a much more powerful processor than our phone and it's optimized for single app processing so it can concentrate more on each app.
Try the quadrant test, it's at least somewhat more reliable.
it is because the iphone is a magically device crafted by Steve Jobs, who is really the second coming of the lord and savior Jesus Christ. Steve used his divine demi god powers to make a device to save our souls from damnation.
/this is what iphone followers really believe.
or that could be it
Hungry Man said:
But the iphone has a much more powerful processor than our phone and it's optimized for single app processing so it can concentrate more on each app.
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Using that logic -- given that the iPhone in the past didn't support multi-tasking -- it could get away with a much less powerful processor.
The real reason is, in order for that benchmark app to be allowed in the "store", is that the numbers have to multiplied by a factor of 4.
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Using that logic -- given that the iPhone in the past didn't support multi-tasking -- it could get away with a much less powerful processor.
The real reason is, in order for that benchmark app to be allowed in the "store", is that the numbers have to multiplied by a factor of 4.
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sounds like something mr. jobs would actually do.
The iPhone still doesn't use true multitasking and is therefor still optimized for single process-processing. It uses save states to RAM, which is ****ty in comparison to android multitasking but it allows for the cpu to go 100% when working on a benchmark application.
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it is because the iphone is a magically device crafted by Steve Jobs, who is really the second coming of the lord and savior Jesus Christ. Steve used his divine demi god powers to make a device to save our souls from damnation.
/this is what iphone followers really believe.
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well they need to pray to this god to help them remove the battery ahha
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The iPhone still doesn't use true multitasking and is therefor still optimized for single process-processing.
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Enough with the idiotic misinformation. The iPhone OS has ALWAYS been a multitasking OS. Even running iOS 3 - you are running multiple things at once. iOS 4 added support for running third party apps side by side. iOS is based on Mac OS X - which has preemptive multitasking, threading etc...
It uses save states to RAM, which is ****ty in comparison to android multitasking but it allows for the cpu to go 100% when working on a benchmark application.
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Your cluelessness is astounding. If you don't know what you are talking about - don't chime in. If you truley understood how modern OSs work ie linux, mac os x - you'd be ashamed you posted the drivel you did.
The higher scores may have something to do with the fact that iOS apps are compiled obj-c. No runtime / No need for a JIT etc...
Excuse me but what is objective c i am new to computers
edit: It doesn't let you put everything in all caps? That sorta ruins the effect.
Anyway I know plenty about computers lol but I know much much more about hardware than software.
edit edit: Oh wow I totally forgot to respond lol the iphone os4 still only uses save states to ram for multitasking. Or at least ios3 did, I know so little about ios4 but I know that the release for 3 is a version of the release for 4, so my point is STILL valid. phew. And just to answer the question further the iphone isn't a piece of crap, it's got a pretty nice processor.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/199528/multitasking_with_ios_4_is_horrible_apple_blew_it.html
Just to further prove exactly what I said lol
Your point about it being compiled c is probably the largest factor though.
who really cares about the iphoney anywayzz ? u cant remove the battery the icons are friggen ugly , u cant make a call without a cover , and this front facing camera ,, what good is it if the people u talk to dont have the same phone ? just wondering lol bottom line, the iphone is for little kids tryin to be cool android is for the reall world
sorry just my opinion
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Excuse me but what is objective c i am new to computers
edit: It doesn't let you put everything in all caps? That sorta ruins the effect.
Anyway I know plenty about computers lol but I know much much more about hardware than software.
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Apologies for being so harsh. It's just a habit I've gotten from being on andriod forums.com. So much misinformation over there. Objective-C is a object oriented variant of C. Do a google for Objective-C for more info. Tried posing a link, but I got a warning. It's a very nice language and as I mentioned before is compiled. I also forgot to mention that Apple also uses the GPU to accelerate math functions - so that may also be another reason why the iPhone owns on linpacks.
edit edit: Oh wow I totally forgot to respond lol the iphone os4 still only uses save states to ram for multitasking. Or at least ios3 did, I know so little about ios4 but I know that the release for 3 is a version of the release for 4, so my point is STILL valid. phew. And just to answer the question further the iphone isn't a piece of crap, it's got a pretty nice processor.
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this state saving is an optimization. If the app is not doing anything, there is no reason to have it take cycles or memory. It does not mean that the iPhone doesn't have true multitasking.
I was being sarcastic about not knowing about objective c >_> it just loses its effect over the internet lol
I know a bit about programming, in fact I know C++ more than any other language (not saying a whole lot.)
Like I said, I know much more about hardware as that is what I've studied.
Moved to General.
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/199528/multitasking_with_ios_4_is_horrible_apple_blew_it.html
Just to further prove exactly what I said lol
Your point about it being compiled c is probably the largest factor though.
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I disagree that the article proves your point. The article basically bashes Apple for not automatically making all apps "multitasking compatible," which is complete crap. As a developer, I wouldn't want Apple to decide how my app works when it's "minimized" to the dock.
Now, the article does mention the save states:
iOS4 freezes the ones that aren't in use
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All that means is that when an app is idle it gets written out to disk (in this case flash memory) instead of taking up RAM. All modern operating systems that support multitasking do this, whether the OS is running on a mobile device (android, WM, iOS) or on a PC (linux, OS X, Windows, Solaris, etc.).
djclark: You state that Apple is using the GPU to accelerate math functions, but are you sure that happens on the iPhones? I looked up the GPU in the latest iPhone, which is technically integrated in the A4 processor, and according to wikipedia the GPU is the PowerVR SGX 535 GPU.
When I looked up that GPU, I don't see the capability to offload math functions onto the GPU.
Given that the latest iPhone has the same GPU as the 3gs, I don't believe they are using the GPU to do math functions on the iPhone.
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Now, the article does mention the save states:
All that means is that when an app is idle it gets written out to disk (in this case flash memory) instead of taking up RAM. All modern operating systems that support multitasking do this, whether the OS is running on a mobile device (android, WM, iOS) or on a PC (linux, OS X, Windows, Solaris, etc.).
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This may be a stupid question but I am going to ask it anyways.
If the iPhone saves the app's state onto a disk and the OS runs so smoothly how come other OS's don't just save app data onto a disk also? Or does the OS just run so smoothly because it is on C++?
I mean I have used the iPhone os4 and multitasking works decently.
I like it better on Android but it actually kinda works on os4
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It's like using only virtual RAM instead of your actual RAM ie: You wouldn't want to run programs off of your hard drive since it's much slower than your RAM.
iOS is smooth because of the fact that it's written in C. It does not multitask as well as an Android phone that keeps the program in RAM.
Lag when browsing, waiting on everything to load, pinch to zoom is not smooth but choppy, hitting a text field requires me to wait 2 seconds before the keyboard comes up...
i need to wait bloody everywhere?
is there something that can fix this?
i already installed a faster rom and im rooted.
and besides the complaints about the gps, my gps is instant. no need to wait here luckily. also no complains about the 3d screen or whatever hardware.
the battery could be alot better though.
Probably the rom(s) you're using.
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Why don't u get another phone?
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No lag here. Flash a Custom ROM. I didnt have lag running stock unrooted with sense either..
+1... No lag here.
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Lag when browsing, waiting on everything to load, pinch to zoom is not smooth but choppy, hitting a text field requires me to wait 2 seconds before the keyboard comes up...
i need to wait bloody everywhere?
is there something that can fix this?
i already installed a faster rom and im rooted.
and besides the complaints about the gps, my gps is instant. no need to wait here luckily. also no complains about the 3d screen or whatever hardware.
the battery could be alot better though.
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you must have something bogging your phone down. Ive never had any of those problems. Theres never any lag on this thing. The scrolling could be smoother of course, but thats one of the trade-offs having a phone with sense on it
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Why don't u get another phone?
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nothing will ever beat my iphone 4. i already seen that.
but i want something besides my iphone 4. i love the 3d capabilities of the evo 3d.
Maybe il wait for a senseless rom...i love sense but i HATE waiting.
on my iphone 4 everything's smooth. no lag anywhere, no waiting anywhere.
And no im not a fanboy of apple, im a fanboy of the best phone. and even with its lower specs i have the feeling my iphone 4 runs a 4ghz dual core compared with my evo 3d
to bad there are only 2 roms available for the evo 3d gsm
borgqueenx said:
nothing will ever beat my iphone 4. i already seen that.
but i want something besides my iphone 4. i love the 3d capabilities of the evo 3d.
Maybe il wait for a senseless rom...i love sense but i HATE waiting.
on my iphone 4 everything's smooth. no lag anywhere, no waiting anywhere.
And no im not a fanboy of apple, im a fanboy of the best phone. and even with its lower specs i have the feeling my iphone 4 runs a 4ghz dual core compared with my evo 3d
to bad there are only 2 roms available for the evo 3d gsm
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iOS is just a simpler and more clean operating system. My EVO 3D is also laggy, disappointing for a dual core processor. I usually tether and use my iPod touch which surprisingly runs faster and smoother than my EVO 3D. And yes I am running custom ROM's and overclocked and nothing is more laggy than web browsing, even on WiFi. Scrolling is so choppy... I am not a fanboy of either operating system. I like things about both OS and both need things improved on, but for now iOS just seems to run better in terms of CPU optimization.
Why dont you use your iPad to mop up your leaking vaj its leaked all over this damn page. On a more serious note you obviously are
A) a Trollolololololo
B) a Retard
C) a Retard with a defective evo 3d
D) a Retard who installed retarded bs apps with ****ty coding eating up resources
E) all of the above
PS your iPad can also be used to clean up your face after Steve BlowJobs is done with you.
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Why dont you use your iPad to mop up your leaking vaj its leaked all over this damn page. On a more serious note you obviously are
A) a Trollolololololo
B) a Retard
C) a Retard with a defective evo 3d
D) a Retard who installed retarded bs apps with ****ty coding eating up resources
E) all of the above
PS your iPad can also be used to clean up your face after Steve BlowJobs is done with you.
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LMFAO!!!
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Im pretty sure a EVO 3D has more things going on in it that any iphone, hence it not being "super fast". I just think you should know how to troubleshoot your phone at least if you are gonna have a Android. And are you getting the laggyness after a fresh ROM flash? Or are you throwing about 1231231423 apps in there and expecting it to not slow down? Give us more input so we can help you
Why do people get so offended why they point out a possible flaw with their phone and suggest an alternative? Isn't that how great things are created? Some people act like you just smacked their first born child in the face. Get over yourselves, its a phone. Most people that talk bad about iOS usually have never used any apple product and are just jumping on the Android v Apple bandwagon. I love Android, and I also love Apple. I am not a close-minded idiot that can't think for his own so I decide to be on one side of the fence on this whole apple v android issue. Again, I love android, but apple has figured out how to make more, with less power and in my personal opinion, is still slightly superior.
yea people get real butt hurt. but i dont bother commenting about that.
this article explains it pretty good
http://arstechnica.com/science/news...f-favorite-brands-as-threat-to-self-image.ars
No what we are telling you is that we are all running an Evo 3d and do not have the described lag. If you apply LOGIC you should not have lag either unless something is different i.e. your teeny brain. Your iPhone will get better reception if you drop it in a toilet preferably one with a fresh double S in it.
What do you miss?
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When I went from WebOS to the OG Evo, I missed nothing.
POS Pre-2yrs EVO 3D-3mo. If there was something worth missing I musta missed it!!!
I went from my Palm Pre to my OG Epic and never looked back. Lack of good apps killed WebOS. Now that I have my EVO 3D, happy as a clam.
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Mmm no much maybe the notifications were better on web OS imo , but nothing else , screen too small for me
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Cards view, swyping up to go to cards view. The multitasking.
Say what you want about Android multitasking but it pales in comparison to webos
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Cards view, swyping up to go to cards view. The multitasking.
Say what you want about Android multitasking but it pales in comparison to webos
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I agree here. I miss the Multitasking from webos.
I got the palm pre the day it released but it was just too slow to move forward. Switched to the evo4g on release day then over to the 3d a few weeks after release. I miss the "cards" other than that I miss nothing
Yea cards were soo cool n conveinant its a shame how things went down one cool thing in the market has that came from webos is the wave launcher which i have on my 3d its nice to have a little piece of webos still
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Cards view, swyping up to go to cards view. The multitasking.
Say what you want about Android multitasking but it pales in comparison to webos
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Man, there used to be a launcher called Itching Thumb that was JUST like webos's card system. It's not in the Market anymore, though. I definitely used it on my EVO4G, (can't remember whether it was in a Froyo Rom or not) but does anyone else remember that launcher?
<<It ain't over till the fat guy swings.>>
Cards.
Wave launcher (Now I have that, but it's not the same :/)
Notifications were better.
Preware. -- Android needs an app similar to this, where root users can access mods, patches, and ROMs from one area. Only problem with this is that it's not as easy as it was with WebOS, as WebOS patches/mods were simply edits in the HTML5 based OS.
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Cards.
Wave launcher (Now I have that, but it's not the same :/)
Notifications were better.
Preware. -- Android needs an app similar to this, where root users can access mods, patches, and ROMs from one area. Only problem with this is that it's not as easy as it was with WebOS, as WebOS patches/mods were simply edits in the HTML5 based OS.
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I also miss these.
Cards could be done with a custom ROM, however, it probably won't and it sounds pretty hard to make. Also, how would you access the cards menu? If it was home, you wouldn't be able to use your home screen anymore.
Notifications - There wasn't really an option to clear notifications unless you clicked on the bar at the bottom and sometimes that took up a lot of screen. I personally think android notifications are better, but an enhanced version of WebOS versions would also be really cool.
Preware - This is one thing I think we strongly need on Android. However, since there are so many devices on android, the mods would have to be device specific. Also, like you said, they would be much harder to make which means there wouldn't be that many mods. Even with these limitations, something like Preware or Cydia would be great for android.
I also miss these.
Cards could be done with a custom ROM, however, it probably won't and it sounds pretty hard to make. Also, how would you access the cards menu? If it was home, you wouldn't be able to use your home screen anymore.
Notifications - There wasn't really an option to clear notifications unless you clicked on the bar at the bottom and sometimes that took up a lot of screen. I personally think android notifications are better, but an enhanced version of WebOS versions would also be really cool.
Preware - This is one thing I think we strongly need on Android. However, since there are so many devices on android, the mods would have to be device specific. Also, like you said, they would be much harder to make which means there wouldn't be that many mods. Even with these limitations, something like Preware or Cydia would be great for android.
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Notifications... Either tapped program or swipe back and they would hide... Especially if app was full screen.
And preware could be done... But each device would need its own feeds...
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I had 18 palm pre such a bad phone . The idea of webos was cool but the hardware was just slow and even when u overclock it it didn't help .
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jedibutters said:
I had 18 palm pre such a bad phone . The idea of webos was cool but the hardware was just slow and even when u overclock it it didn't help .
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Exactly why I want webOS on my 3d.... Still loved my pre.
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Cards, Preware, Multitasking, the intuitive feel of the OS compared to Android, gestures, the polish of the OS.
People complaining about the apps and everything... I don't understand. I used Preware and had all the apps I needed on that thing. I maybe use 10 apps on my Evo/Evo 3d which is a little less than the amount I used on my Pre.
I loved my Palm Pre but when it broke, still have it..., I went to the HTC Touch Pro. Wow. I regret that decision. Then I held on to that POS until the Evo which was awesome but I still like webOS more than Android. People can make all the arguments they want about webOS not having a lot of apps but that never bothered me. Though, Android is awesome compared to iOS and WP7 (tried them both out and meh).
Never had webOS on a cellphone, so got no idea if its as good as people say it is/was.
Had a Touchpad for close to two weeks, and the only thing I miss, are the cards. Not using them for multitasking (since the Touchpad has pretty poor resolution, so it's hard to see what's going on in each card anyways) but I miss closing apps by just swiping the cards up. It's not a problem on my Evom but on the tablet I have, I really miss an easy way of closing programs.
Honeycomb is bad with that, like ALL the apps you've used the last couple of hours pop up if you click the taskswitcher, and if you use a lot of apps it becomes an unholy mess really fast. Would be nice to be able to close old apps in an easy way like that.
Overall webOS on the Touchpad was pretty awful. I ASSUME it was a lot better on cellphones than on the Touchpad, but it was slooow, and would complain if you had too many windows/cards open.
It was crazy how badly polished/finished that OS was... I mean the Touchpad had pretty good hardware, two dualcore Snapdragon CPUs at 1.2-1.4 Ghz. But it was still slow as molasses, and slower for browsing than my old HTC Desire.
The cards were kinda nice though!
I mean perhaps not as smooth as ios but better than this honeycomb crap lol
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I mean perhaps not as smooth as ios but better than this honeycomb crap lol
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100% it runs smooth as butter on the Galaxy Nexus and that's only two cores. ICS with the hardware acceleration and 4/5 cores should be super fast.
ICS will be a significant improvement across the board on everything. IMO this honeycomb is already as smooth as IOS and I own an Ipad to constantly compare it to some people report lag, most report it being super fast. I never had any lag issues since I got this on 12/22.
You'd be surprised what one or two crappy apps set to "quietly load" on start up can do to android, even with 4 cores or my sgs2 overclocked to 1.6ghz. #1 culprit running/lagging in background, engadget app. I have no problem running it, but with a desktop widget once you run and hit back or home without "killing" it it'll take 80% cpu for no reason for god knows how long. With my gs2 my pocket starts cookin a bit as engadget is one of the only apps that bug-pegs it at 1.6ghz long term, even with the screen off, lol. And yes i see the irony, though the engadget app isnt alone. I've just learned to kill that app and remove what i dont use regularly (titanium is great for this).
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Until android rewrite the UI it will never be as 'smooth' as IOS.
IOS have a seperate layer for the UI as soon as you touch the screen all processing stops (apps would never finish installing, web browser would never finish loading) and continues as soon as you remove your finger.
With android loading continues regardless of if your touching the screen or not, so it then has to try and do both things at once hence the lag when an app is installing or web page loading.
4 cores when utilised properly with ICS will help though
well gang it will be here on the 12th, can't wait.
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Until android rewrite the UI it will never be as 'smooth' as IOS.
IOS have a seperate layer for the UI as soon as you touch the screen all processing stops (apps would never finish installing, web browser would never finish loading) and continues as soon as you remove your finger.
With android loading continues regardless of if your touching the screen or not, so it then has to try and do both things at once hence the lag when an app is installing or web page loading.
4 cores when utilised properly with ICS will help though
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How do you explain the Playbook running so smooth with everything truly running in the background?. Its as smooth as iOS. (RIM actually got something right) Android lags because its badly optimised compared to iOS, QNX, WebOS and others. ICS is a step closer to getting there but not yet, it is smooth but not 'as' smooth.
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How do you explain the Playbook running so smooth with everything truly running in the background?. Its as smooth as iOS. (RIM actually got something right) Android lags because its badly optimised compared to iOS, QNX, WebOS and others. ICS is a step closer to getting there but not yet, it is smooth but not 'as' smooth.
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Maybe the playbook had the UI rewritten. I got my information from an interview with a lead android developer and they explained what I said above. Android was developed to compete with symbian and blackberry at the time then when iphone came out, android rushed it to market but at that point the UI was already flawed.
I'll try and find the source but it was from a while ago now. Doesn't mean android isn't as fast as ios, far from it, its just the UI experience
p.s. It wasn't my interview it was just one I found on the web that I was reading, think it was on engadget at some point.
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Maybe the playbook had the UI rewritten. I got my information from an interview with a lead android developer and they explained what I said above. Android was developed to compete with symbian and blackberry at the time then when iphone came out, android rushed it to market but at that point the UI was already flawed.
I'll try and find the source but it was from a while ago now. Doesn't mean android isn't as fast as ios, far from it, its just the UI experience
p.s. It wasn't my interview it was just one I found on the web that I was reading, think it was on engadget at some point.
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If you come across it, please PM it to me. Sounds interesting.
Playbook is amazingly smooth even compared to my Prime.. anyways enough about that, not a RIM sales man lol.
Hoping ICS does take advantage of the 4 cores.
Found the article on google+ i'll paste the relevant bit here:
Going Forward
Android UI will never be completely smooth because of the design constraints I discussed at the beginning:
- UI rendering occurs on the main thread of an app
- UI rendering has normal priority
Even with a Galaxy Nexus, or the quad-core EeePad Transformer Prime, there is no way to guarantee a smooth frame rate if these two design constraints remain true. It’s telling that it takes the power of a Galaxy Nexus to approach the smoothness of a three year old iPhone. So why did the Android team design the rendering framework like this?
Work on Android started before the release of the iPhone, and at the time Android was designed to be a competitor to the Blackberry. The original Android prototype wasn’t a touch screen device. Android’s rendering trade-offs make sense for a keyboard and trackball device. When the iPhone came out, the Android team rushed to release a competitor product, but unfortunately it was too late to rewrite the UI framework.
This is the same reason why Windows Mobile 6.5, Blackberry OS, and Symbian have terrible touch screen performance. Like Android, they were not designed to prioritise UI rendering. Since the iPhone’s release, RIM, Microsoft, and Nokia have abandoned their mobile OS’s and started from scratch. Android is the only mobile OS left that existed pre-iPhone.
So, why doesn’t the Android team rewrite the rendering framework? I’ll let Romain Guy explain:
“...a lot of the work we have to do today is because of certain choices made years ago... ...having the UI thread handle animations is the biggest problem. We are working on other solutions to try to improve this (schedule drawing on vsync instead of block on vsync after drawing, possible use a separate rendering thread, etc.) An easy solution would of course to create a new UI toolkit but there are many downsides to this also.”
Romain doesn’t elaborate on what the downsides are, but it’s not difficult to speculate:
- All Apps would have to be re-written to support the new framework
- Android would need a legacy support mode for old apps
- Work on other Android features would be stalled while the new framework is developed
However, I believe the rewrite must happen, despite the downsides. As an aspiring product manager, I find Android’s lagginess absolutely unacceptable. It should be priority #1 for the Android team.
When the topic of Android comes up with both technical and nontechnical friends, I hear over and over that Android is laggy and slow. The reality is that Android can open apps and render web pages as fast or faster than iOS, but perception is everything. Fixing the UI lag will go a long way to repairing Android’s image.
Beyond the perception issue, lag is a violation of one of Google’s core philosophies. Google believes that things should be fast. That’s a driving philosophy behind Google Search, Gmail, and Chrome. It’s why Google created SPDY to improve on HTTP. It’s why Google builds tools to help websites optimize their site. It’s why Google runs it’s own CDN. It’s why Google Maps is rendered in WebGL. It’s why buffering on Youtube is something most of us remember, but rarely see anymore.
But perhaps the most salient reason why UI lag in Android is unacceptable comes from the field of Human-Computer Interaction (HCI). Modern touch screens imply an affordance language of 1 to 1 mapping between your finger and animations on the screen. This is why the iOS over-scroll (elastic band) effect is so cool, fun, and intuitive. And this is why the touch screens on Virgin America Flights are so frustrating: they are incredibly laggy, unresponsive, and imprecise.
A laggy UI breaks the core affordance language of a touch screen. The device no longer feels natural. It loses the magic. The user is pulled out of their interaction and must implicitly acknowledge they are using an imperfect computer simulation. I often get “lost” in an iPad, but I cringe when a Xoom stutters between home screens. The 200 million users of Android deserve better.
And I know they will have it eventually. The Android team is one of the most dedicated and talented development teams in the world. With stars like +Dianne Hackborn and +Romain Guy around, the Android rendering framework is in good hands.
I hope this post has reduced confusion surrounding Android lag. With some luck, Android 5.0 will bring the buttery-smooth Android we’ve all dreamed about since we first held an HTC G1. In the mean time, I’ll be in Redmond working my butt off trying to get a beautiful and smooth mobile OS some of the recognition it deserves.
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Source: https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS
If you read the top of that article. He even admits he was wrong. His article was debunked by a google engineer. (There is a link to it in the post)
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Found the article on google+ i'll paste the relevant bit here:
Source: https://plus.google.com/100838276097451809262/posts/VDkV9XaJRGS
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that was an excellent read. that was a nice history lesson on Android. Thanks!
edit: I read the Google engineer article that debunked this one before. A certain member here loves to always bring it up to help prove his point..lol
I still believe its true, it does kind of make sense when you think about it, plus google aren't really going to turn around and say "oh yes our UI is badly designed and needs to be re-written".
from my novice experience, the user interface performance seems fine. My first tablet so I don't have anything to base it off. It's about as quick as my old Core 2 XPS laptop running Windows 7.
It would be nice one day to have a buttery smooth experience though so hope ICS helps with the cause!
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It would be nice one day to have a buttery smooth experience though so hope ICS helps with the cause!
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I'm sure with ICS you will have an I Can't Believe It's Not Buttery experience.
With the ability to unlock the bootloader comes the ability to install custom roms which means smoothness.
I've seen that happening exactly like that on my phone.
ICS
While on the subject and trying not to go to far from the OP. Have we got any ETA from ASUS themselves about when we can expect ICS on the Prime?
I get mine on the 12th of this month and dont want to spend too long with crappy Honeycomb.
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While on the subject and trying not to go to far from the OP. Have we got any ETA from ASUS themselves about when we can expect ICS on the Prime?
I get mine on the 12th of this month and dont want to spend too long with crappy Honeycomb.
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Well your in luck because Asus said they will roll out it starting on the 12th.
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While on the subject and trying not to go to far from the OP. Have we got any ETA from ASUS themselves about when we can expect ICS on the Prime?
I get mine on the 12th of this month and dont want to spend too long with crappy Honeycomb.
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ICS comes out worldwide on the 12th January.
I'm going back to iphone.
This thing force closes way too much.... I know rooting and custom ROM can address some of it but I feel iphone is still optimized better than android. OK maybe I don't know but I just never had any issues with their hardware or apps.
Yeah I guess I'm not the type of person who really appreciates customization capability. I realized ONLY thing I like about this particular android is the large screen.
Sorry this is just a bad morning and my android is acting all ****ed up. Happens way too often.
If you are new to Android coming from the iPhone then you'll feel that way for a bit. I did miss my iPhone but once these awesome devs clear up some bugs you'll be really happy....if you like customizing. I couldn't stand iTunes so once I got around the noobness point, Android is so much nicer. The iPhone is more for people that just want to push an icon like my wife and kids.
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Thats wierd, im stock and i rarely get any force closes. Usually the only FC's i get are due to apps on their end. I love how everyone always says how the apple apps never crash, blah blah blah. I guess stupid tech will always have its place
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I'm going back to iphone.
This thing force closes way too much.... I know rooting and custom ROM can address some of it but I feel iphone is still optimized better than android. OK maybe I don't know but I just never had any issues with their hardware or apps.
Yeah I guess I'm not the type of person who really appreciates customization capability. I realized ONLY thing I like about this particular android is the large screen.
Sorry this is just a bad morning and my android is acting all ****ed up. Happens way too often.
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Yea if you are stock you shouldn't have too many problems. The beauty of the xda forum is you can tell us your problem and people get together to help solve it. Id rather use xda than talk to a genius any day.
Tell us what's wrong so we can help you.
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Most likely a bad device.
I have had mine since mid December...all stock, only updates via Kies.
It's been more stable than 2.2.2 on my Dell Streak.
As for a 5" iPhone, well, Jobs is gone so anything is possible.
You watch though...if Apple comes out with a screen anywhere near the
size of 5", the iphone fanbois will trumpet it out that it is an innovation and
the best thing in the world LOL.
lol you do realize stuff crashes consistantly on the iphone it just doesnt tell you right?
Force Closes are from improperly written apps. this happens, there are so many varients in the Android world it is hard to keep up with the changes.
Apple has a set screen size depending on the device, Android has many different screen sizes.
If you like to DUMB down then go back to the iPhone.
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I'm going back to iphone.
This thing force closes way too much.... I know rooting and custom ROM can address some of it but I feel iphone is still optimized better than android. OK maybe I don't know but I just never had any issues with their hardware or apps.
Yeah I guess I'm not the type of person who really appreciates customization capability. I realized ONLY thing I like about this particular android is the large screen.
Sorry this is just a bad morning and my android is acting all ****ed up. Happens way too often.
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First I was gonna tell you "see ya", but I guess I'll say that I have no, not one, force close and my device is closer to me than wrist watch or glasses... My device functions this way because I read about everyone else problems and solutions and either avoid the base situation, or utilize the communities experiences for the solution... Our Android family bought our grandfather an iPhone because of his age... Lmao. Does that tell you anything? If you must go then thanks for stopping by, but if you can stay, we will do our level best to match your enthusiasm and drive...
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i'd be very happy with a g note running webos .that would be great
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i'd be very happy with a g note running webos .that would be great
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Blasphemy
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ferchope said:
i'd be very happy with a g note running webos .that would be great
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lol! you must not need apps at all
astang99 said:
Thats wierd, im stock and i rarely get any force closes. Usually the only FC's i get are due to apps on their end. I love how everyone always says how the apple apps never crash, blah blah blah. I guess stupid tech will always have its place
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There was actually a study published a few months ago that showed that major iPhone apps actually crash more often than their Android counterparts; however, since the iPhone doesn't display a message to the user when that happens, and it doesn't give the users an option to report the crash, most iPhone users perceive fewer crashes. (In other words, they simply think that they must have hit the Home or Close buttons since all the iPhone does is crash back to their homescreens).
The second theory on why this is the case is that it's much easier and faster to release app updates on Android markets. Android devs can easily roll out responsive updates while iPhone devs have to submit every single update to Apple's ridiculous approval process.
Story here:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomiogeron/2012/02/02/does-ios-crash-more-than-android-a-data-dive/
The truth will set you free.
I've been running the I717 since day one and I've gotten exactly 1 FC from a weird app I downloaded. once I deleted it I was good. Try doing a factory reset and start fresh. download apps that have 4 or more stars. My phone has been a champ from day one with all the crap I throw at it (not even screen slowdowns like some are reporting). If you don't like it, you don't like it, there's no harm in that. All I know is my Ipod frustrates me something fierce when I use it so irritations go both ways. Hope you stick around, the stock ICS should be wandering through in the next couple of months. If you don't want to wait, I hear there's awesome Roms of ICS already. check it out.
I'm going back to iPhone as soon as someone trades me back on CL
What I've had from start to finish? Tilt, Touch Pro 2, G1, BB 8120, BB FLIP, G1, 3GS, Vibrant, EVO, Hero, Epic, EVO, Nexus S, the sprint WP7 can't recall name, EVO, Epic, EVO, EVO3D, 4S Sprint, 4S AT&T, Note AT&T.
I am the most unbiased person possible.
I switched from the iPhone back to Android because the screen was annoying for Draw Something, the edges on the phone are somewhat sharp & annoyed me in long typing sessions, no LTE.
What I've experienced on the Note, & why I said when I went back to the iPhone after the EVO3D that I would never go back to Android: LAG.
What good is customization if everything lags. What's the point of customization anyway? It's not like a computer that has incredible battery life & the customization is actually useful. It's just pretty widgets & UI mods.
I'm also shocked at how many ads are in the free apps compared to years ago.
Anyway, I'll go back to my sound app ecosystem with no lag. On top of that, the apps seem to run a lot smoother & take advantage of the A5 dual core vs the dual core in the Note.
+ I've spent way too much $$ on apps for iOS LOL. Sure I could get some for free on Android, but some simply aren't avail. Some I would have to buy again. Unfortunately, they all run better on iOS.
I will miss the s pen functions (and the Sammy cameras always seem better - I am disappointed by the 4S camera), but I'll survive. The only Android I want is the ASUS Padphone or an ASUS tablet (I had the Transformer #1 for a month, oh & of course I've had an iPad in the past, but prefer the Android tablet OS)
I haven't had an fc since i flashed team perfections latest pics rom. IPhones might be solid but they're so damn boring and plain
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Then Samsung should sue them for "copying"
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I feel like the microwave has screwed everything up. Of something takes a half second to open, we're screaming lag!!!
I like tech stuff but it's still a phone.
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I'm not talking about waiting for things to open.. I'm talking about stutter lag & multiple second to go back to the home screen lag. Legitimate lag.
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I'm not talking about waiting for things to open.. I'm talking about stutter lag & multiple second to go back to the home screen lag. Legitimate lag.
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In my experience with android devices the major culprit for lag is on screen widgets that update. If you set up your device like ios with nothing but apps you will see no lag. If you use widgets and stuff you might redraw.
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I'm going back to iPhone as soon as someone trades me back on CL
What I've had from start to finish? Tilt, Touch Pro 2, G1, BB 8120, BB FLIP, G1, 3GS, Vibrant, EVO, Hero, Epic, EVO, Nexus S, the sprint WP7 can't recall name, EVO, Epic, EVO, EVO3D, 4S Sprint, 4S AT&T, Note AT&T.
I am the most unbiased person possible.
I switched from the iPhone back to Android because the screen was annoying for Draw Something, the edges on the phone are somewhat sharp & annoyed me in long typing sessions, no LTE.
What I've experienced on the Note, & why I said when I went back to the iPhone after the EVO3D that I would never go back to Android: LAG.
What good is customization if everything lags. What's the point of customization anyway? It's not like a computer that has incredible battery life & the customization is actually useful. It's just pretty widgets & UI mods.
I'm also shocked at how many ads are in the free apps compared to years ago.
Anyway, I'll go back to my sound app ecosystem with no lag. On top of that, the apps seem to run a lot smoother & take advantage of the A5 dual core vs the dual core in the Note.
+ I've spent way too much $$ on apps for iOS LOL. Sure I could get some for free on Android, but some simply aren't avail. Some I would have to buy again. Unfortunately, they all run better on iOS.
I will miss the s pen functions (and the Sammy cameras always seem better - I am disappointed by the 4S camera), but I'll survive. The only Android I want is the ASUS Padphone or an ASUS tablet (I had the Transformer #1 for a month, oh & of course I've had an iPad in the past, but prefer the Android tablet OS)
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Interesting observations. Honestly I see my Ipod lag a whole lot more than my note (or even my streak) with much much fewer apps. I mean I use my ipod for pandora, email and rage comics and running all three at once it lags something fierce. I can do all that with my note plus play temple run and not see a stutter. As for the in app adverts, apple is just as bad, but the funnier thing is, the ration of paid vs free apps in IOS is a lot higher in favor of paid apps than in android, which is probably why you see fewer ads in IOS. One thing I noticed with IOS is most apps, especially the free ones, rarely have over 3 stars, makes me wonder if they're really worth the time... All I know is, between IOS and android, I prefer android hands down, I can customize my UI how I want to, I can have widgets if I'd like and do virtually whatever I want with it. if you want I can talk with my buddy to see if he'll trade his 4S strait across for your note.