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Hey everyone, this is thread is meant to centralize all of the information and questions about the kernels for this phone. I feel as though information about peoples issues, and their "triumphs" with certain kernels are scattered everywhere, so finding useful information can be tedious. I have noticed that most, if not all of the ROM threads specifically say, "No kernel questions". This is what this thread is going to be for. I also thought it would be neat to have some general discussion about kernels. for example, what kernels work best with what ROM, what are some of the issues that people run into, what works, what doesn't work, etc...
I know there is only a few kernel options now, but hopefully that list will grow and as it grows this thread will be become more useful.
there are only a few rules for this thread:
1. No flaming-one of goals for this thread is to help noobs, this thread is meant to de-clutter the ROM threads of kernel questions, (seemingly stupid or intelligent).
2. This thread is for talk of kernels only, there is a "off topic" discussion thread for everything else; and ROM threads to specifically talk about ROMS
So far i only know of three kernel types:
Faux's kernel
Stock kernels
X boarder's kernels, (different variants to go with different ROMS).
From what i understand Faux's kernels work with pretty much all of the ROM's but seem to cause boot loops.
I do not know too much about X's kernels and the issues they cause, so it would be nice if some one filled me in.
Ill start the thread by saying, I have used the stock kernel that shipped with my phone over the quick sense ROM, and the Bullet proof 2.4 ROM. the weird thing with that was, my WIFI worked. its weird because X, and everyone else says to flash one of X's or Faux's kernels or else wifi will not work. I have been apprehensive about flashing kernels because of the boot loop issues people have reportedly been having. however i went ahead and flashed the kernel that was included in the Bullet proof 2.4 ROM. i haven't used the phone all that much so no bootloop yet. the phone is fast and smooth. X's kernels are able to be overclocked and have three governors. i am very curious about Faux's kernel because he did some amazing things on the Mytouch 4g when i had it.
Jms122589 said:
Hey everyone, this is thread is meant to centralize all of the information and questions about the kernels for this phone. I feel as though information about peoples issues, and their "triumphs" with certain kernels are scattered everywhere, so finding useful information can be tedious. I have noticed that most, if not all of the ROM threads specifically say, "No kernel questions". This is what this thread is going to be for. I also thought it would be neat to have some general discussion about kernels. for example, what kernels work best with what ROM, what are some of the issues that people run into, what works, what doesn't work, etc...
I know there is only a few kernel options now, but hopefully that list will grow and as it grows this thread will be become more useful.
there are only a few rules for this thread:
1. No flaming-one of goals for this thread is to help noobs, this thread is meant to de-clutter the ROM threads of kernel questions, (seemingly stupid or intelligent).
2. This thread is for talk of kernels only, there is a "off topic" discussion thread for everything else; and ROM threads to specifically talk about ROMS
So far i only know of three kernel types:
Faux's kernel
Stock kernels
X boarder's kernels, (different variants to go with different ROMS).
From what i understand Faux's kernels work with pretty much all of the ROM's but seem to cause boot loops.
I do not know too much about X's kernels and the issues they cause, so it would be nice if some one filled me in.
Ill start the thread by saying, I have used the stock kernel that shipped with my phone over the quick sense ROM, and the Bullet proof 2.4 ROM. the weird thing with that was, my WIFI worked. its weird because X, and everyone else says to flash one of X's or Faux's kernels or else wifi will not work. I have been apprehensive about flashing kernels because of the boot loop issues people have reportedly been having. however i went ahead and flashed the kernel that was included in the Bullet proof 2.4 ROM. i haven't used the phone all that much so no bootloop yet. the phone is fast and smooth. X's kernels are able to be overclocked and have three governors. i am very curious about Faux's kernel because he did some amazing things on the Mytouch 4g when i had it.
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so ur sayin we can flash most of these roms & still have the stock htc kernel wrking but wifi might break? so how about NRG's modified stock kernel on the Energy rom,will it wrk on all amaze roms & will wifi not break?? im coming frm a mytouch 4g so this phne is a lil complicated..sorry for actin like a noob lol..i havent used that easy kernel flasher,i been using flash image gui & heard that fauxs new kernels cnt b flashed with it?
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so ur sayin we can flash most of these roms & still have the stock htc kernel wrking but wifi might break? so how about NRG's modified stock kernel on the Energy rom,will it wrk on all amaze roms & will wifi not break?? im coming frm a mytouch 4g so this phne is a lil complicated..sorry for actin like a noob lol..i havent used that easy kernel flasher,i been using flash image gui & heard that fauxs new kernels cnt b flashed with it?
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Idk about the WiFi question, I'm not educated enough on that, but what I've found to be successful is flashing the boot.img from xboarders ROM's .zip file with easy kernel flasher to get the best results. But with Energy ROM, I flash the stock kernel he provided with the stock kernel flasher. That method has worked flawlessly for me. I've never had a random reboot and I've never had a broken WiFi or BT. I've never had to flash a kernel more than once due to failed flash either.
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glacierguy said:
Idk about the WiFi question, I'm not educated enough on that, but what I've found to be successful is flashing the boot.img from xboarders ROM's .zip file with easy kernel flasher to get the best results. But with Energy ROM, I flash the stock kernel he provided with the stock kernel flasher. That method has worked flawlessly for me. I've never had a random reboot and I've never had a broken WiFi or BT. I've never had to flash a kernel more than once due to failed flash either.
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Thanks for the response.. i just wanted to read up on all this more before i flash another rom..Ive been on Energy rom since i got the phone but at first i had the wifi issue,then i went & dwnloaded his stock kernel & flashed it thru flash image gui..i dnt have access to a computer unless i go to a friend house so i rely alot on flash image gui lol.. thats why im askin if its fine to flash roms without flashin another kernel..
I'm not sure why, but the stock kernel worked just fine On quick sense and on bullet proof. I never had a wifi issues on those but the wifi on the energy rom didn't work. I'm using faux's kernel on bullet proof 2.4. I guess fauxs kernel is included in the bullet proof zip. I have only had 1 reboot in the past week. Also faux's kernel can be over clocked which is nice if your into that. I came from a mytouch 4g also so learning all this stuff can be a pain but once you read over everything its really not that difficult
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I finally relocked and forced the RUU (newest official version of our phone software) which puts you on the stock everything (ie kernel), and am running just fine on Energy ROM. Wifi works great, I haven't tried Bluetooth. So a far as I can tell, the stock kernel from TMo RUU 1.43 runs great and wifi is perfect. FYI.
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cmdmilitia13 said:
Thanks for the response.. i just wanted to read up on all this more before i flash another rom..Ive been on Energy rom since i got the phone but at first i had the wifi issue,then i went & dwnloaded his stock kernel & flashed it thru flash image gui....
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I bet most of the kernel issues in this thread would be from people having issues with flash image GUI. Not a fact, just a strong uneducated hunch
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glacierguy said:
I bet most of the kernel issues in this thread would be from people having issues with flash image GUI. Not a fact, just a strong uneducated hunch
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2 kernels that im aware of is flashable with flash image gui,the amaze stock kernel frm Energy rom & the faux kernel frm fast amaze rom before the new update i guess.. Other than those 2 kernels i heard EKF modules or something like that cnt b used with flash image gui.. People gotta read before flashin things lol
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glacierguy said:
Idk about the WiFi question, I'm not educated enough on that, but what I've found to be successful is flashing the boot.img from xboarders ROM's .zip file with easy kernel flasher to get the best results. But with Energy ROM, I flash the stock kernel he provided with the stock kernel flasher. That method has worked flawlessly for me. I've never had a random reboot and I've never had a broken WiFi or BT. I've never had to flash a kernel more than once due to failed flash either.
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I'm probably just educated enough to be way off-base, but it seems to me a kernel with a wifi problem would also have a BT problem. Do people tend to experience those 2 together?
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I'm probably just educated enough to be way off-base, but it seems to me a kernel with a wifi problem would also have a BT problem. Do people tend to experience those 2 together?
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Yep that's uaully the case
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I'm pretty sure it had to do with the official build each rom is based off of. I know the official update to 1.43 changed the kernel around so if people have a stock kernel from an earlier official ruu the wifi and bt break when updating to a build based off 1.43. Most all roms past xboarders beast mod 2.0 are built off 1.43 at least. I think there are some ones newer than 1.43 but I'm not sure if the kernel had any updates in those builds.
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Hi I just recently unlocked and rooted my rezound and am looking to install a custom rom. There are so many ICS roms out there and I find it hard to sort through them and find the best one. I would like to know: Which ICS Rom is the most stable, which ICS Rom is de-sensed the most, if the rom updates the mainversion, and which ICS kernel is the best (and where to download it. Thank you for your help!
All the Devs list bugs in the first post of the from thread so read that carefully before flashing anything.
For stable....I would run Clean Rom ICS by Scrosler or Nils Business ICS if you want full-sense stable along with a bit of the theming done.
As for Senseless...I have been running NewtoRoots Senseless and it has been running awesome for me. The main issue is inability of sending/receiving MMS but I'm using GOsms in the meantime until that is fixed. One of the users packaged the rom to flash the kernel as well if you're not all that comfortable using fast boot right now. In this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22435498
Most of the ICS roms will update your main version unless you flash the kernel (boot.king) via fastboot. There is a how to in the Dev section to revise you main version if you wish to go back to GB.
Marcismo55 said:
All the Devs list bugs in the first post of the from thread so read that carefully before flashing anything.
For stable....I would run Clean Rom ICS by Scrosler or Nils Business ICS if you want full-sense stable along with a bit of the theming done.
As for Senseless...I have been running NewtoRoots Senseless and it has been running awesome for me. The main issue is inability of sending/receiving MMS but I'm using GOsms in the meantime until that is fixed. One of the users packaged the rom to flash the kernel as well if you're not all that comfortable using fast boot right now. In this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=22435498
Most of the ICS roms will update your main version unless you flash the kernel (boot.king) via fastboot. There is a how to in the Dev section to revise you main version if you wish to go back to GB.
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Thanks for your help! I was actually considering flashing newtoroot's senseless, but just wanted to see if any other roms were any good as well. I will probably flash senseless tomorrow. So when I download the rom, it will automatically flash the kernel, right?
Marcismo55 said:
Most of the ICS roms will update your main version unless you flash the kernel (boot.king) via fastboot. There is a how to in the Dev section to revise you main version if you wish to go back to GB.
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Actually most if not all all the devs have changed the main version to the OTA version number.
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zZDave_Stud said:
Thanks for your help! I was actually considering flashing newtoroot's senseless, but just wanted to see if any other roms were any good as well. I will probably flash senseless tomorrow. So when I download the rom, it will automatically flash the kernel, right?
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Yes they will supply the kernel also. Some devs include it in the rom zip, others have it as a seperate dowload. You wil have to read the first couple posts in the thread to see what it says. Follow the directions of the dev is the best advice.
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EmerikL said:
Actually most if not all all the devs have changed the main version to the OTA version number.
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Just being safe about the main version thing. People tend to get all wild over it even though there is an easy fix for it but thank u for pointing that out
Don't flash this as you already have one from ur ICS ROM! I just did not see any Stock Kernel that is the reason why i made a thread!
Haven't seen a stock ICS 4.0.3 kernel in development section so i m just dropping stock kernel in case some one needs it.
It meant we'll have mod kernel soon? Better battery faster ... everything.
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ummm... what?! Is this i717 specific, or just the AOSP 4.0.3 kernel? How did we get this for the i717 without source? Where is it from? So many questions!!!11 lol
If this is for real, someone please throw a bucket of ice water (and/or trout) on Da_G...
I have tried to use this tool http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20806471&postcount=1 to inject init.d support into the stock kernel but cannot tell if it worked. It worked on the stock ICS kernel for the Asus Transformer according to this post. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=23005237&postcount=104
Anyone else more familiar with init.d care to try it? It did give me an init.d folder, and the command prompt on PC seemed like it was successful but I can't tell from the file it placed in init.d after first boot if it was successful or not. I tried putting a supercharger script in the init.d folder but it doesn't seem to be working.
edit: Also at the risk of sounding dumb I don't know what set permission as 755 is. I tried to set the permissions of the folder to match the other folders in the directory.
I don't understand why are guys so happy about this ?
This kernel (boot.img) is already in ICS ROMs,
you can just unzip one of those ROMs or the leak and there you have it !
They need kernel SOURCE to do overclock etc.
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Jckpsa said:
I don't understand why are guys so happy about this ?
This kernel (boot.img) is already in ICS ROMs,
you can just unzip one of those ROMs or the leak and there you have it !
They need kernel SOURCE to do overclock etc.
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I was assuming this was source... which, as my previous post indicates, wouldn't make sense.
Otherwise, you're right, this isn't anything special. Nice to have separately? Sure, I guess...
so what is a kernal is this a ics leak, im a nubie and pretty stupid.
thanks
Guys, this is STOCK ICS 4.0.3 Kernel. In other words, the kernel that was provided with the leak. It's unmodified.
zer0nine said:
Guys, this is STOCK ICS 4.0.3 Kernel. In other words, the kernel that was provided with the leak. It's unmodified.
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yes we know this.......which is not that useful for the dev....as they need the source code for the kernel.....without the source code....we can't OC/undervolt and do all the lovely things that we need...
I've been wanting a stock ICS version as there have been a few bugs that I can't get away from with the two mods I've tried... Maybe it's ICS, maybe it's me, but now I can see how the original runs. Thanks!
Surrylic said:
I've been wanting a stock ICS version as there have been a few bugs that I can't get away from with the two mods I've tried... Maybe it's ICS, maybe it's me, but now I can see how the original runs. Thanks!
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You do know this is just the kernel right? If you flash only this after a full wipe, you're not going to have a booting Android phone.
You sure? I would think it would be more like flashing it to what is already in it, unless, this is not for the i717.
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You do know this is just the kernel right? If you flash only this after a full wipe, you're not going to have a booting Android phone.
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You sure? I would think it would be more like flashing it to what is already in it, unless, this is not for the i717.
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I think he means if you flash it after a "full" wipe, meaning clearing the system. If you just do a data and cache wipe it should be fine, if of course you are running an ICS ROM.
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I think he means if you flash it after a "full" wipe, meaning clearing the system. If you just do a data and cache wipe it should be fine, if of course you are running an ICS ROM...
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...which already has the same kernel, so there would be no point.
If this isn't source, then I don't understand what this is for. Every i717 ICS leak currently available has this kernel already included. Having it on your SD card just in case isn't really going to do anyone any good, since everyone running any of the currently available ICS ROMs is already running this very kernel. If this is acceptable, then I won't be surprised to see others parting out the leak and posting pieces of it in the dev section, when it really belongs in General since it isn't source. Please don't flame me, just trying to make a point.
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If this isn't source, then I don't understand what this is for. Every i717 ICS leak currently available has this kernel already included. Having it on your SD card just in case isn't really going to do anyone any good, since everyone running any of the currently available ICS ROMs is already running this very kernel. If this is acceptable, then I won't be surprised to see others parting out the leak and posting pieces of it in the dev section, when it really belongs in General since it isn't source. Please don't flame me, just trying to make a point.
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It's pretty useful for noobs who flashed DaG's kernel mistaking it for an ICS kernel.
OP is pretty misleading. There is no reason to flash this at the moment.
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Actually, I dont understand what the big deal is...
There are stock roms in the development thread aren't there?
Stock Odin recovery image:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1506330
Stock boot & recovery:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1504999
Strange that no one *****ed about these being in Android Development... I dont see what the difference is.
All this is is the stock kernel from the ICS leak taken out and made available for flashing in case you want to flash the stock kernel FROM THE ICS LEAK (so, if you are still on stock GB, this wont be helpful, this is ONLY useful if you are running the stock, unmodified ICS leak and have changed the kernel and want to revert back to the stock ICS kernel from the leaked ICS rom).
The OP is pretty self explanatory, in fact, the title of the thread is pretty self explanatory. I mean, ICS 4.0.3 STOCK KERNEL sounds pretty clear to me.
My only beef is not with the thread or its location but the lack of organization on XDA. There should literally be a category for ROMS, another for mods & themes & apps, and another for stock images. Q&A should be removed and combined with General. Given the limitation of the current choices, this doesnt fit under General, Q&A, Themes and Apps, or Accessories. The next best fit is Android Development. This is of course all my opinion.
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Stock kernels belong in General.
littlewierdo said:
All this is is the stock kernel from the ICS leak taken out and made available for flashing in case you want to flash the stock kernel FROM THE ICS LEAK (so, if you are still on stock GB, this wont be helpful, this is ONLY useful if you are running the stock, unmodified ICS leak and have changed the kernel and want to revert back to the stock ICS kernel from the leaked ICS rom)
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I really didn't want to jump back into this, and it seriously doesn't bother me at all that this was posted... that said, there are NO modified ICS kernels on our Notes right now (we're all on the same kernel at the moment), so this won't become useful until someone modifies one (as appdroid apparently intends to do to add init.d) -- and even then, it will need to be replaced once the official ICS build/source gets released.
Either way, like I said, this thread doesn't bother me at all... appdroid's dev efforts on the Note are much appreciated!
Maybe a stupid question but i have my reasons to ask this
Is it posible to run old Gingerbread kernel(2.6.x.x) on ICS based ROM's simply by flashing zImage (or whole boot.img) without recompiling kernel
Im guessing not but i need to ask
I'm pretty sure it wont work cuz completely different android versions so u would have to swap out the modules and pretty much have to build from source codes and a lot of work to get it running but by then its not gb anymore and I think u may have though there might be a possibility of getting oc from a gb kernel to ics but it won't work like that
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Its not because of OC its because of USB OTG
OTG works with Leedroid kernel but i need ICS because of some app that runs only on ics
I guess i will have to wait for someone to add this to ics kernel
pedja1 said:
Its not because of OC its because of USB OTG
OTG works with Leedroid kernel but i need ICS because of some app that runs only on ics
I guess i will have to wait for someone to add this to ics kernel
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Haven't you tried it ?
Hi, I've just a quick question regarding kernels (in general)
I'm currently running a JB ROM by TheBill, and it's running great. However, coming from my previous phone with a custom rom, I see there aren't many governers available. I would think that a custom kernel would do the trick, but would they work regardless of rom/OS version? Most of the ones I see seem to be for Gingerbread/Froyo, and I'm with Jelly Bean.
I didn't try this so I am not sure, but I think that kernels have their compatibilities with rom. So whatever kernel you are going to flash just read the kernel's details. Then you'll know what roms (cm7,cm9,cm10etc.) it will support. And I hope that you know kernels are phone specific.
Atrix 4G, CM7 based TopSmarts 1.3 rom, Faux123 1ghz kernel.
If I m helpful dont hesitate to thank me.
Don't try to mix and match kernels unless you know what you're doing. It will probably not work as expected, very likely not at all.
There's probably a reason for the lack of governors in some kernels, don't you think?
sumit77seo said:
I didn't try this so I am not sure, but I think that kernels have their compatibilities with rom. So whatever kernel you are going to flash just read the kernel's details. Then you'll know what roms (cm7,cm9,cm10etc.) it will support. And I hope that you know kernels are phone specific.
Atrix 4G, CM7 based TopSmarts 1.3 rom, Faux123 1ghz kernel.
If I m helpful dont hesitate to thank me.
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Well I'm running CM10 and it seems like most of the kernels haven't been developed specifically for 4.1, which is why I brought up the question.
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Don't try to mix and match kernels unless you know what you're doing. It will probably not work as expected, very likely not at all.
There's probably a reason for the lack of governors in some kernels, don't you think?
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Well, I was wondering if I could get a bit of a power boost with a kernel supporting overclocking, but if I do try and install a kernel that doesn't work out, a Nandroid backup should restore my previous kernel as well?
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Well I'm running CM10 and it seems like most of the kernels haven't been developed specifically for 4.1, which is why I brought up the question.
Well, I was wondering if I could get a bit of a power boost with a kernel supporting overclocking, but if I do try and install a kernel that doesn't work out, a Nandroid backup should restore my previous kernel as well?
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Yes, Nandroid backup will restore your kernel.
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