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Since you don't want to stand up and be counted because you are afraid of being PM'd to death, take some time to answer the poll.
I suspect that the current root methods that are being worked on are being worked on by the rest of us and not being touched by the devs.
Prove me wrong, because as far as I can tell, all the devs are rooted and in ROM la-la land not giving two Sh!ts about the rest of us.
BTW - not a leaker. My phone was broken and replaced with a 2.1 RUU with 1.49.0000.
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Since you don't want to stand up and be counted because you are afraid of being PM'd to death, take some time to answer the poll.
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Who the hell are you to tell someone to take some time to do anything for you? Did your mother teach you ANY manners? These people do these things without any guarantee of payment, so unless your gonna put some cash up, I suggest you learn some of said manners.
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I suspect that the current root methods that are being worked on are being worked on by the rest of us and not being touched by the devs.
Prove me wrong, because as far as I can tell, all the devs are rooted and in ROM la-la land not giving two Sh!ts about the rest of us.
BTW - not a leaker. My phone was broken and replaced with a 2.1 RUU with 1.49.0000.
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So what? Because you ran into bad luck they OWE you something? I Hope everyone here who cares to support the devs submits a false answer to your poll so that it never does you one scrap of good. Maybe when you will learn some humility you can come back and PROPERLY ask them for something.
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Who the hell are you to tell someone to take some time to do anything for you? Did your mother teach you ANY manners? These people do these things without any guarantee of payment, so unless your gonna put some cash up, I suggest you learn some of said manners.
So what? Because you ran into bad luck they OWE you something? I Hope everyone here who cares to support the devs submits a false answer to your poll so that it never does you one scrap of good. Maybe when you will learn some humility you can come back and PROPERLY ask them for something.
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Amen to that. This is the kind of bullsh** that makes devs run away from our community, not towards it. If you want to ***** at somebody, call up HTC and tell them you can't root your phone. I'm sure they will be VERY sympathetic and offer to send you an Incredible instead.
lol sucks for u
You are a prime example of a entitlement complex. Seriously, they already dedicate all their spare time to us and helping us. If you're so pissy about it, you find out a way and help the community, don't sit there and *****.
I can pretty much guarantee you the SECOND you get root, you won't give a **** about any non-rooted people and only focus on ROMs.
Do you also expect verizon to erect a cell tower near your house and a mini AP in your car so you have perfect service wherever you go?
+1 to everything said above, also learn to search, there is already a root method for 1.49 s-on you idiot. The great devs of our commmunity already found an amazing loop
I LOL at you.
if I were a dev, i would stop working on rooting 1.49 after a post like this.
As a non-dev, I am disheartened to see this type of post in the Development thread. Have you seen the number of posts in the 1.49 leak-root threads? There are currently folks working on two distinct methods of rooting - isn't that proof enough for you? Also, was anyone here responsible for "making" you go to the leaked version? No? Well then why are the dev's responsible for giving you a cookie for the decision you made?
Also, to all of the people that say, "I can't be bothered to read all 100+ pages" or similar - please do. 99.9% of the time you will find the answer to your question within those posts - or hey, try the magical search box.
I personally want to thank the dev's that have been helping us with finding just the right exploit. As you can see, there has been a lot of work looking at the leak, RUU, hboot, and various methods to finally achieve [an easy way to] root the Eris. This community has been extremely helpful, innovative, and downright awesome in helping folks like me learn the ins and outs of the Android System and the Eris. Don't screw it up for the rest of us.
Mean ol' devs..
Y'all BETTER be working on root for Eris, or I'll... I'll..
I'll get REALLY mad..
In all seriousness, the points made in the responses are valid.. Father_Vic chose poor wording to express frustration, and some of his frustrations are borne out of simply being unaware of some things..
Root for 2.1 in general is being sought actively by all sorts of devs and would-be devs. I'm pretty sure there are fewer and fewer devs working directly on Eris, other than to try to make holes found elsewhere a little bit more open to the masses, a la the efforts by Tereg and company.
Are they working on it night and day? Hellz no. After you've tried the same stuff over and over a few times, you move on to either new angles on old stuff, or new stuff, altogether. Otherwise, people call you crazy or naive.
This poll seems like it'd be helpful on the surface, if just to provide reassurance for us poor 1.49ers without root, but the ones that respond affirmatively may or may not be totally clueless when it comes to anything other that running downloaded scripts, and as for the devs that really do understand, well..
Don't worry about this stuff running devs off.. The real devs LOVE to solve problems, because it's like crack cocaine to figure stuff out, and what they really don't give 2 $hitz about is polls..
Can we get this thread moved to General? Not sure that just deleting it would help anybody..
+1 to all said
if you really wanted root than maybe you should learn how to develop and try and find it yourself
I have uncovered the PERFECT root method for 1.49 bootloader. BUT after reading this so called post, I now refuse to ever release it. bwahahaahahahahahahahahahaha
no seriously...come on dude. little...well rude wasnt it.
We (including myself) are all working on it. The root method that exists has an extremely low success rate. We are all trying different things, we are all trying different methods and we are all devoting hours a day to try to bust this thing open. The eris is one of the only phones not rooted by means other than a rooted link. Some of us feel we are going at this alone without any real help from the devs. Plus anytime we have asked if any of the silent devs are working on it or have any suggestions; "flame on" from the rooted majority.
Not entitlement - just wondering if those of us fending for ourselves are getting any help from those who can.
BTW - to assert that we just go ahead and learn what the devs know really is insulting to the devs. All the time, effort, education, and knowledge that they have is not something that we can all just learn to do in a couple of days.
I knew the flame was coming....
Keep going, it actually makes pretty fun reading.
Father_Vic said:
Since you don't want to stand up and be counted because you are afraid of being PM'd to death, take some time to answer the poll.
I suspect that the current root methods that are being worked on are being worked on by the rest of us and not being touched by the devs.
Prove me wrong, because as far as I can tell, all the devs are rooted and in ROM la-la land not giving two Sh!ts about the rest of us.
BTW - not a leaker. My phone was broken and replaced with a 2.1 RUU with 1.49.0000.
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u sir are a douche bag get a life and root ur own friggen phone , u need a tissue ? u need a hug? god damn ITS JUST A FRIGGEN PHONE !!!!!
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u sir are a douche bag get a life and root ur own friggen phone , u need a tissue ? u need a hug? god damn ITS JUST A FRIGGEN PHONE !!!!!
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Have you got a hug for me...?
This is the most fun I have ever had on a forum. I love to watch this forum go apesh!t.
pass the popcorn.
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Have you got a hug for me...?
This is the most fun I have ever had on a forum. I love to watch this forum go apesh!t.
pass the popcorn.
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really ? ur doin it for fun ? looks to me all ur doin is pissing people off and not wantin to help people who want to be rooted .me myself , i am rooted but i was tryin to look into wayz to help u guys out , now i may or may not because of people like u
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We (including myself) are all working on it. The root method that exists has an extremely low success rate. We are all trying different things, we are all trying different methods and we are all devoting hours a day to try to bust this thing open. The eris is one of the only phones not rooted by means other than a rooted link. Some of us feel we are going at this alone without any real help from the devs. Plus anytime we have asked if any of the silent devs are working on it or have any suggestions; "flame on" from the rooted majority.
Not entitlement - just wondering if those of us fending for ourselves are getting any help from those who can.
BTW - to assert that we just go ahead and learn what the devs know really is insulting to the devs. All the time, effort, education, and knowledge that they have is not something that we can all just learn to do in a couple of days.
I knew the flame was coming....
Keep going, it actually makes pretty fun reading.
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I have a rooted phone, replacement on the way, I'm not getting my hopes up for a 1.47 hboot im sure 1.49 will come unfortunately, and seeing the low success rate with the current root methods I'm afraid im gunna hate my Eris again, and now any devs who were putting their FREE time in to help with something that doesn't even benefit them as they are already rooted. Thanks for pushing people away from helping us, and it's just great that it is all fun and games to u. I understand were u are coming from, but this is just bull crap. thanks for nothin.
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We (including myself) are all working on it. The root method that exists has an extremely low success rate. We are all trying different things, we are all trying different methods and we are all devoting hours a day to try to bust this thing open. The eris is one of the only phones not rooted by means other than a rooted link. Some of us feel we are going at this alone without any real help from the devs. Plus anytime we have asked if any of the silent devs are working on it or have any suggestions;.
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Up to this point you seem to almost have found some humility. Keep the attitude portrayed here and maybe send out a few PMs asking for help, politely, you may get somewhere, you may not... I GUARANTEE you get farther than your first post.
And as for some of the rest of your comments, MANY a "dev" has started not with college, but in the exact same place you are.
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I have a rooted phone, replacement on the way, I'm not getting my hopes up for a 1.47 hboot im sure 1.49 will come unfortunately, and seeing the low success rate with the current root methods I'm afraid im gunna hate my Eris again, and now any devs who were putting their FREE time in to help with something that doesn't even benefit them as they are already rooted. Thanks for pushing people away from helping us, and it's just great that it is all fun and games to u. I understand were u are coming from, but this is just bull crap. thanks for nothin.
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If it is a referb phone, you have some hope. I just got my Eris replacement (after rooting 2.1), and it was 1.5 with a 1.47 bootloader, so there is some hope.
i was working on root until i saw this post. its idiots like you that piss off the devs and make us go elsewhere.
if you are posting this just for fun, to get the laughs and eat your popcorn, then f&%# off. we dont want you here, demand things from the devs, demanding we speak up so you know who we are. if you really want to know who the devs are, that will most likely be anyone on there with more than 200+ posts. the ones that you know there nicks to because they spend most of their time on here posting to help n00bs like you out getting root, or answering the question of which rom is the best or how to install your bootanimation file.
you really want to know who the devs are? they are the ones that sit in the irc channel all day (chat.andirc.net) and are any of the ops on there, or have a uptime of 72hours straight.
you want me to compose a list of all the devs, and then another list of all the devs working on root for you?
here is that list for you:
http://austrianeconomists.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451eb0069e2011570ea5170970c-800wi
Hello and good evening everyone.
I have received so much from these forums and the Android community in general. A while back I had a HTC DHD and contributed with bandwidth for ARHD(this is way back) as I want to give back to the community(donations aside ofc). Now I have a LG P990 and am trying to find a way to help out with something.
Recently I have been trying a lot of apps of all sorts. One thing I have noticed is the poor translations to swedish. It is sometimes even embarrassing to see how very well written apps and tools are just filled with down right badly translated text. Seeing how many Android users there are in Sweden I really think this is both strange and a bit sad.
I don't know if I' sticking my nose out here, but I want to help clean this up. Maybe I come off as arrogant in this post. That is not the intention here though. All I'm looking for is a way to try and figure out how to help out
Should I just start emailing the specific devs or is there a forum or anything where "translators" gather round? IRC channels maybe? Am I being stupid?
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Should I just start emailing the specific devs...
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Yep, that's the best you can do. Actually, multi-language support isn't a difficult job, so I think the devs will be glad if you wish help them
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Yep, that's the best you can do. Actually, multi-language support isn't a difficult job, so I think the devs will be glad if you wish help them
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Actually it seems pretty difficult to do since a majority of translations are less than perfect.
The problem with emailing devs is that they have no idea of who I am or what I am capable of. Did it a couple years back and the usual reply was "we have someone" or "no we don't need it".
Just to clarify: I opened this thread because it is just fair! I don't want to be so dramatic! Just that you can see: I made a mistake and I will be bound! Another thing is: Please help me to make Whirleyes return from his decision! He is a great Dev and did / is doing awesome work for us!!!
This project is dead
If you've been a long time reader to xda, this drama happen a lot.
Well, this is another version of it.
Somebody just open a "Pandora’s box" by taking my work without permission.
I think I've explicitly say in few post above about not to include it in a ROM distributions. Maybe my English is bad.. I failed to make others understand.
Sorry
I decide to end this project. I'm out of motivation & energy to complete it.
I really feel sad about it this time & feeling like I'm not needed here.
I don't want to waste more of time to a community like this. Real life is what more important.
Refund
I really don't really have a big list on this, but if you've donated & feel cheated.
I'm willingly to refund your donation. Just PM me the email address your used when making that donation.
I'm sorry I end this in a cold blood. I hope I don't owe anyone anything.
Good bye & good luck
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Whirleyes wants to leave and closed all his bbm threads. Read the last post in BMM 0.3.0
This is my fault and I didn't want this. As Whirleyes wrote "someone" all people should know that it's ME. I am the bad guy, but I am standing to my mistakes!
I didn't took a whole work, I used one single module. Prior that I wrote to Whirleyes about that, wanted to know how to use and figured it out myself. I really had the first contact with BMM 0.3.0 a few hours ago. And I discovered the cpu_control module, which is also provides in the extra kernel modules which is os. And I really didn't read that post which he mentioned because I didn't used BMM 0.3 before.
You cam believe me that I didn't want to make Whirleyes (or anyone else here) sad and angry! My knowledge about this modules was, that it comes from milestone over clock and it's open source (Now after reading the thread (extra kernel modules) again more carefully I saw that it was his own module and I was totally wrong!! It ist just based on the milestone OC module, but he rewrote it. I jjust remebered before that his said in his thread that he didn't write these modules....I am very sorry about this). I noticed a new way to use it and included it into my project of course with credits. So, I didn't want to be responsible that one of our best devs here is leaving because I made an unwanted mistake. All of you should know that and here is my excuse!
I will remove the module as soon as I am back at home and I please Whirleyes not to leave. I am really really sorry!!! Everyone makes mistakes, right? So please forgive me mine and don't be angry. Just stay.
If you leave anyway, then anyone should know that I was my fault.
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I already wrote him a pm. I really hope he doesn't leave, I am not an asshole and I guess most of know that zoo.
I never stole a work from someone, only took with permission (and that was not much, the source from STS - how everyone does, and I used some FREE tweak scripts which were free to use but I don't use them anymore because it didn't work, FREE Apps - which is not a problem, and finally one single module which I thought was related to the extra kernel modules thread and these modules are from the milestone OC. I really didn't know that using this single module (of course WITH CREDITS inside the execute script and inside the roms thread) is that big mistake!) and as I already said this was a big a big mistake!
Sometimes people don't think about their things they do and sometimes people make mistakes. This time it was me, so I were really happy if he returns from that decision. I have explained the situation and wrote him personally. What can I do else?
I guess he didn't want to blame me and didn't mention my name. It is just fair that I tell you the truth.
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@dtrail
Don't blame yourself. I just had a bad day...
It just personal reason. I just fell stupid going home early every day just to have more time working for that project. I'm done fighting for it. It's not worth it.
I maybe finish it for personal use, but I'm done uploading it here.
You don't have to removed cpu_control. Consider that as my last gift. It's GPL & I'm obliged to provide the source code. I'll upload it on weekend.
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Mate, it's too late. I already did! And it's just fair. Anyway I think that if I hadn't do this, you wouldn't leave and close all your threads! I feel really bad now because I "opened Pandora's box". I don't want to be that asshole about who everryone talks "Oh look, that's that idiot who's steeling other's work". I know how bad that is, and I guess, now you know that it was an unwanted mistake. I guess this could happen to anybody. I should had you to ask for it BEFORE using it. But I wrote an request to you how to use it exactly, and there you can see that I didn't think carefully that moment.
But just to clarify: You are one of the greates dev in the Razr Community! If you really leave, then there aren't many good devs left here. And I guess I am not the only one who thinks that way. I hope that my "self-blaming-action" is excuse enough for you. Neverming, but I please you in the name of this community not to leave now. At least finish your great BMM and hopefully more stuff! I am not that skilled like you, still have too much things to learn around Android...
You dont have to blame yourself.
As whirleyes said he s living for bmm , and he s tired of that. I understand him and thank him for the time he spent and to allow me to follow his project from begining.
We are lucky to still have dev over this dead phone .
Anyway whirleyes we ll miss you and i wish you best for your life. Thanks for all your work you ve done over here
Nobody blames anybody.. We r humans born to make mistakes.. thats life.. We cannot please everybody.. Lets just move on... Jellybean is lurking in the corner, so no need to panic...
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Come on everybody shake your hands...remember it' nearly Xmas
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Ouch this sucks! Whirley is a great dev. I hope hatchets can be buried and we will see some more work from him :S
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Well, time to move on. I'll get Nexus 4 soon = no more waiting for updates, just pure Android OS.
Anyway, thanks whirleyes for everything (he saved my phone when I was bricked few weeks).
Thanks dtrail and all devs for your great work.
From what I understand, the little mistake made by dtrail was not the most important reason.
Being a developer needs an "iron moral" (I don't know if this expression exists in english lol)
Whirleyes is a basic developer for the Razr. Most users treats the devs like "workers" for US, the users, the ones who deserve everything perfect and NOW.
But noone really knows how much time and efforts the devs make. It's much more than they should need for making things just for them.
Of course not all users are like this, but I completely understand that most devs would feel a bit like whirleyes.
The entire community is the one to blame for this kind of things. And my advice for the devs would be to be a bit more "unfriendly" with the users. This doesn't mean being disgusting, but when you give all your patience, people tend to forget more easily that you are making a huge effort.
So I just can say thanks to whirleyes, and as I was thinking about making a little donation now that I have a paypal account, I'll make it. It's fair even if he is going to definitely abandon ProjectLense, because I have been using and will continue using it.
I don't want to waste more of time to a community like this. Real life is what more important.
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We wish you the best, enjoy your "real life" , but, honestly, I wish you have a really deserved rest, and some day come back, but never spending so much time and energy that will led you to a dead point like this.
Thank you whirleyes, and of course all the other devs.
Forget the last and move on, it's his decision to leave, things come and go. It's alright if he thinks of what an undeserrving community this is as a whole, but just because of the passing of one developer doesn't stop the rest of the community especially you dtrail, from contributing. I get that there's the prevailing situation of us thinking about who's right and wrong, but does it matter? If he's passing was to make the rest of the community stricken with guilt and come to a halt just because of him, I'd say **** it, let's move on and do without.
Damn, enough of this.. if one dev leaves then so be it... we cant please everybody... his contribution wont be forgotten... lets move on....
@blackhawk_LA
You got it right. Two posters after you just prove it.
@theZest,HSD-Pilot,lukas77,sevenup30,maarawoe&many more..
I forgot to thank you guys for the feedback.
today's a little bit unprofessional
I'm done here & you know where to find it.
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@blackhawk_LA
You got it right. Two posters after you just prove it.
@theZest,HSD-Pilot,lukas77,sevenup30,maarawoe&many more..
I forgot to thank you guys for the feedback.
today's a little bit unprofessional
I'm done here & you know where to find it.
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realtively new razr maxx user and haven't had enough time to talk to each other, but thanks foremost to you, whirleyes for those OC modules Really hoping the JB update will burn your desire once again in the future though
To be honest, Whirleys you dont need to leave for such a little thing. He said he was sorry and he clearly didn't know, now you're acting like a girl. Just my two cents. Hope u come back.
Edit: to clarify I mean that I hope you didnt leave because dtrail made this "mistake" otherwise, GL& hope to see u around here
I think you're wrong if you think you are not needed here, just look at the number of donwloads from the post and google play! We will miss you a lot, and for sure you'll be welcome if you change your mind for some reason. For now, we should respect your decision, developing is a really hard & altruistic work, and if you are tired of it all we have to say is good luck, and may the force be with you
I haven't used Whirlyeyes work so far but he really helped me with various posts here. I really think he should take some time to reconsider and i'll respect his decision as i respect his work here.
dtrail1 apologised formally imo and there's nothing else he can do . I'm sure he's not the only reason for Whirleyes decision.
Anyway i just wanted to say thanks Whirleyes and hope to see you around again.
What a pity... 70% of Russian users will miss you whirleyes because of some amazing piece of software
Anyway good luck my friend and big thanks for all you've done for us "common users".
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@blackhawk_LA
You got it right. Two posters after you just prove it.
@theZest,HSD-Pilot,lukas77,sevenup30,maarawoe&many more..
I forgot to thank you guys for the feedback.
today's a little bit unprofessional
I'm done here & you know where to find it.
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You will be missed mate!!
Are you going to develope for another device?
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Just wanna say thanks to Whirleyes.
Let's hope you can still continue to work on RAZR projects in your free time if you ever get back the passion for it.
You said you're not needed here? That's rubbish. You produce one of the most exciting works around for RAZR.
I hope him could be back...He is a great developers and have made lots of great things.
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It is sad to see whirleyes leaving Razr just becuase of bs. I've been following the development of this device since its launch, whirleyes was one of those unique guys who just contributed working products instead of giving false hopes with buggy products to the community, so, you'll definitly be missed, man !
All the best, sems.
I have posted a few threads with no response and I really can't figure it out. So I am asking the CM community please help with the Kyocera Hydro Life. It is a great entry level smartphone and due to its low cost could be an effective emergency, back up phone or if you have little money to replace a nicer phone you had then these phones really make sense. The problem of course is NO DEV SUPPORT!! There is no recovery or even computer aided recovery and the bootloader is locked. That means the best we can do is have root. Root is great but it does not really unlock the potential of this device. A nice CM custom rom would really help a lot and kernel development would also be great. If anyone can help point me in the right direction or Ican continue endless ignored posts until I get something?
Here is a link to Kyocera Developer page which has the kernel and rom zip files. This could be useful to restore the phone if nothing else?
http://www.kyoceramobile.com/support/developers/
Thanks for any help!!
Rob
By experience, I can say you will not get any help here. There are many excelent devs here, but no one wants to help newbie devs, so no one will read this thread
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By experience, I can say you will not get any help here. There are many excelent devs here, but no one wants to help newbie devs, so no one will read this thread
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You are wrong. In the right area devs help alot.
As for the question. Developers only work on phones they own. Most only get flagship devices so budget phones are normally left to people that buy them to dig in and develope for them
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You are wrong. In the right area devs help alot.
As for the question. Developers only work on phones they own. Most only get flagship devices so budget phones are normally left to people that buy them to dig in and develope for them
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I am very grateful for all of the dev support I have enjoyed over the years!! I agree they help a lot!!
OK we all know that the devs will work phones they own that happen to be flagship devices I get that. I would even donate toward purchasing a phone for a dev. So how do I stimulate interest in the dev community for a budget phone? Guess it is just not going to happen. Really sucks because I think there is a lot of potential in this inexpensive device. It would be nice for people to have options other than stock! If there is any chance of any dev support it would be highly appreciated but I understand in any case. Can't blame me for trying:silly:
Thanks again Rob
Have you tried XDA University?
http://xda-university.com/as-a-developer/porting-clockworkmod-recovery-to-a-new-device
http://xda-university.com/as-a-developer/introduction-how-an-android-rom-is-built
Hi all, so it seems our device isnt getting much support or anything so I've decided to take the plunge try to learn something about porting and see if i can port something to our device... for me its not such a risk as the phone was basically a gift so if it gets bricked ill be sad but not end of the world sad...
so first off i have a few questions
1 the code name all the phones seem to have dev codenames... and of course i notices in the jmz kernal we are downloading the a3ul kernal. so is this the actual name for our phone.. i ask because there are some stock roms and i thought i could maybe make these the base to start from...
2 can you give me some ideas of comparable phones i checked the htc mini one and two while close they both have different cams so i would like suggestions as to other devices so i can try downloading roms and taking them apart to see what i can find out...
3 to any devs, could you recommend some good sites to give me basics in either A)-porting a rom for us, B)-compiling a rom from some source or lastly and really hope leastly the idea of developing something myself somehow...
thanks
Im no developer, but I have recently been looking into this myself and the XDA University seems to hold some fairly thorough guides, I have just not had the time to start anything yet
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Im no developer, but I have recently been looking into this myself and the XDA University seems to hold some fairly thorough guides, I have just not had the time to start anything yet
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preaching to the choir bud... i got 2 kids i teach full time and one more baby on the way time is one thing in limited supply.. but i really love this little device so it would be a shame if it went un-developed...