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I recently saw somewhere (on XDA) post that PS Vita has similiar hardware as smartphones that are coming pretty much now (SGS III, powerd by Tegra3 etc.). So is there a possibility for making such emulator? I know that it won't provide similiar gameplay as with hardware buttons on PSV but some games propably would still be playable without them (or with less) like racing games etc.)
I'm just asking for technical side of this task and if there is someone who plans to try and make one?
impossible.
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Probably in 30 years or so, if you want my honest guess.
And not on a smartphone but on a home pc.
RippeR37 said:
Hey,
I recently saw somewhere (on XDA) post that PS Vita has similiar hardware as smartphones that are coming pretty much now (SGS III, powerd by Tegra3 etc.). So is there a possibility for making such emulator? I know that it won't provide similiar gameplay as with hardware buttons on PSV but some games propably would still be playable without them (or with less) like racing games etc.)
I'm just asking for technical side of this task and if there is someone who plans to try and make one?
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I guess for now still impossible to do. Even PS1 emulator on android is still not perfect enough to play all PS1 game.
So, still long way to make PS Vita emulator on android
Agreed.
I have a hard time getting my Atari ST emulator to run.
Cheers.!
Yep, i was more like porting Vita systems to android or something then emulator but if it's still impossible, thats ok
Would be pretty much impossible considering that the vita is almost as powerful as the ps3 - (already has more ram)
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Would be pretty much impossible considering that the vita is almost as powerful as the ps3 - (already has more ram)
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vita isnt even close to PS3
GS3 has pretty much same vital specs and has more ram than vita
No it isn't you have to understand that processors in a phone are not close to having the same power as a dedicated games device. The vita has a quad core processor and another quad core for the graphics
It has 512mb of ram and another 128mb vram this is much more than the ps3
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sorry i misread though it was a normal SGX543
And a psp emulator?
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And a psp emulator?
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Its the same situation. Because it uses dedicated hardware.
Even the Nintendo DS emulator lags on high end Smart phones
Cheers.
it generally takes YEARS for an emulator to be developed for a console and the first place it will appear is on a PC.
Besides, can you imagine trying to cram all the controls for a Vita onto one touchscreen? Yeesh....
I know this is an old thread but it has also copped a lot of wrong answers.
To all of those people saying that it's impossible and that PS1 emulators have barely been perfected and blah blah blah. I will say this now: The PS1 has a completely different architecture to any Android phone/tablet (apart from MIPS ones, which are very rare.) The Vita on the other hand has a CPU with an ARM architecture, which nearly all Android devices have, the Vita itself needs to be hacked for all of the API's and the OS to be emulated but that will probably be the hardest part (apart from emulating the Graphics chip and other complex hardware.) It should be a similar task to emulating Windows programs on Linux and Mac with Wine, or emulating different x86 OSes on x86 hardware, this is also the reason that I think iOS can be emulated but nobody wants to do it because Apple will find a reason to sue them (a reason why I have never bought an Apple product and hopefully never will.)
The message here is to be an optimist, never say impossible and good things will follow, possibly in the form of a Vita emulator on Android or an iOS emulator.
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I know this is an old thread but it has also copped a lot of wrong answers.
To all of those people saying that it's impossible and that PS1 emulators have barely been perfected and blah blah blah. I will say this now: The PS1 has a completely different architecture to any Android phone/tablet (apart from MIPS ones, which are very rare.) The Vita on the other hand has a CPU with an ARM architecture, which nearly all Android devices have, the Vita itself needs to be hacked for all of the API's and the OS to be emulated but that will probably be the hardest part (apart from emulating the Graphics chip and other complex hardware.) It should be a similar task to emulating Windows programs on Linux and Mac with Wine, or emulating different x86 OSes on x86 hardware, this is also the reason that I think iOS can be emulated but nobody wants to do it because Apple will find a reason to sue them (a reason why I have never bought an Apple product and hopefully never will.)
The message here is to be an optimist, never say impossible and good things will follow, possibly in the form of a Vita emulator on Android or an iOS emulator.
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lol 30 years, honestly you can expect an emulator within 10 years of the system release date, if we had dedicated users, I'm sure it get could quicker but it's not "impossible" as PPSSPP, a PSP emulator was recently released on the google store, which runs games PERFECTLY on PC or Mac, it's pretty laggy on my S3-i747m but what games you would expect to run nicely do, of course.
I'm sure newer phones run it smoothly but PSVita games will probably be emulated when the "hype" dies out...
So basically if your asking, can i screw mobile gaming and just buy a phone and bootleg the systems and possibly even play with friends? No.
Can you expect to relive your classics games after you've played them on a legit PSVita in 5-10 years on your Samsung S9 with 16core graphics? Yeah most likely depending on how laws go with the GNU/OSI and how pissed off company's get that they're old ass systems get emulated.
At-least that has been the trend since Atari
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There's a PSP emulator that's called PPSSPP
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There's a PSP emulator that's called PPSSPP
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If I can run kingdom hearts birth by sleep flawlessly on my Nexus 4 then vita emulation sounds very probable in the next couple of years
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vita isnt even close to PS3
GS3 has pretty much same vital specs and has more ram than vita
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Actually Vita is 3 cores away from PS3 but similar ;D
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Actually Vita is 3 cores away from PS3 but similar ;D
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That dont mean anything a lot more involved than just core count
ps vita emulation is possible but i think it will only run on high end phones...also ps vita is already jailbreakable but not as perfect as psp....
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Is it possible? It would be so bad ass to play some 3D Mario on the EVO 3D.
I dont think it will ever work
Yeah I wouldn't plan on ever seeing that.
Great concept, but don't you need two screens to play most games? I'm sure the Evo would have the more than enough processor/GPU power to run an emulator for it, though.
Mate it to an og evo via bluetooth and you have your second screen! [/problem]
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I dont think it will ever work
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What kind of attitude is that? There were many things that people thought never worked on the EVO. Even HTC said it was impossible to run higher than 30fps and still maintain HDMI output.
The only issue I see is the dual screen thing. But many games I see on the 3DS don't really make much use of the second screen. Usually just displays options or just contains more controls. I am curious if there is way a to bypass this. Maybe it wouldn't be a direct port but something similar?
Sort of off-topic a bit but will developers be creating 3D games specifically for the EVO 3D available on the market?
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Mate it to an og evo via bluetooth and you have your second screen! [/problem]
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Hmmmmmmm........that would be pretty gangsta if it could be done. If you could also pair a WiiMote to it, then you'd be golden. If someone does it, I'd be interested.
"If you build it, they will come" immediately comes to mind. lol
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Sort of off-topic a bit but will developers be creating 3D games specifically for the EVO 3D available on the market?
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Eventually, I think yes.
bad idea overall. not sure things would run well, then there's the 2 screens issue and most importantly no dpad + buttons
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bad idea overall. not sure things would run well, then there's the 2 screens issue and most importantly no dpad + buttons
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A N64 has dpad + buttons and the emulator works fine on the EVO besides obviously being a little laggy. I think the processor of the EVO 3D can handle the 3DS games. Why do you say that things would not run well?
Because the 3ds has a more powerful GPU without having to emulate. The amount of raw processing power it would take to run isn't realistic.
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Because the 3ds has a more powerful GPU without having to emulate. The amount of raw processing power it would take to run isn't realistic.
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I figured if the single-core EVO can run N64 games then the dual core should be able of much greater things. However I do not know much about what kind of processor the 3DS has. I wonder which emulators we might see on the EVO 3D then.
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Because the 3ds has a more powerful GPU without having to emulate. The amount of raw processing power it would take to run isn't realistic.
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Lol, I read an article the other day stating the N64 only has a 100Mhz CPU? The EVO 3D will be 24x that speed, I sure hope N64oid will work good once the update hits.
BTW, there is a nds emulator on market (although it's pretty much 99% broken). It is completely possible to emulate a regular NDS w/ bluetooth wiimote as the controller, but the app shows the screen is portrait, cut horizontally down the middle. It has potential, but I don't think we'll see much compatibility with it anytime soon.
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Because the 3ds has a more powerful GPU without having to emulate. The amount of raw processing power it would take to run isn't realistic.
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3ds has a powerful gpu? i don't think that's right lol. It was originally though to have a tegra 2 but instead runs a PICA200, which I'm pretty sure can't hold a candle to our gpu
It isn't about the power differences between the systems, it's about how well one system can emulate the other.
You have to remember that during emulation, you are going to need multiple times more power, because you're still running your original device, with another one on top of it (essentially).
Without a device being tweaked specifically to emulate another, it requires massive amounts more power, not just being on par (or even above) the emulated device.
It would be nice if it could be done, but also as far as I know, there aren't even any 3DS ROMs available yet. It would be great if I could backup my 3DS games, even though I don't play many of them (got Zelda today, and burning through that like it's a rented game).
Would be better off porting some of the better(easier to port one screen games etc.) games than getting an emulator to run. I think.
There is an experimental one in the market last time I checked.
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The regular NDS emulator runs incredibly slow even playing games like pokemon run slow I can't imagine how the NDS 3d will run. But I'm pretty sure in time we will be able to play games like that. Maybe in 2 years from the way android and phones in general are advancing. The N64 runs smoothly if you over clock it to 1.5 ghz and up.
Well, in most cases, emulation of a non similar system requires at least 10 times the processing power of the original system. Example, the playstation one had a 33mhz CPU, so to effectively emulate it, you would need a 333mhz CPU. The 3DS had a 400mhz GPU and a CPU of a unknown clock speed, so you would in theory need at least a 4.0ghz duel core to emulate it.
Now these are rough estimates. If these were arm based CPUs, since most Android phones have arm CPUs and so does the original DS it, wouldn't be as steep of a requirement. And I'm sure there are some other factors I'm not aware of, since emulation of the Sega Saturn has been very difficult due to how unique the CPU, GPU, and sound processor were.
Just something to think about.
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Does the 3d have the power to possibly run a ps2 emulator?
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Of course, it can run Crysis at 37 fps...
Crysis! Where!
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Does the 3d have the power to possibly run a ps2 emulator?
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Having a dual core doesn't give make it able, emulation requires very high-end hardware. People with Quad-Cpus can't always get 60FPS and those are ahead of the Snapdragon. And I don't think a emu for it is available for Android yet.
It probably can run the same graphics, any good recommendations for hi def graphics games in the market ? The best looking game I have played in a mobile device is infinity blade for iPhone is amazing what epic developers did with it, I know is unreal engine but great I wish they would develop for android tho
I was just curious as im no tech genius. I know the n64 emu runs good and at one point a guy had android running a dreamcast emu and that was before all the new dual core cpus now.
Dual core speed freak
You can pretty much run an emu on whatever device... What comes into question is the quality of playing...
Can you run it and actually "play" a game smoothly.. and fps does relate to smoothness other stuff comes into play tho too,
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Won't be able to.
PS2 had some complicated hardware, very difficult to emulate correctly on different architectures. It's so complicated it's taken years for a decent one for the PC, which works ok but not that great, and this is on a quad core 64-bit machine with a decent gfx card, both of which Android devices do not have.
Don't expect any possible development for it to work well on current devices, dual core or not, it requires a lot of power and serious coding to emulate the PS2 architecture which was complicated to say the least.
Well I read somewhere that someone is working on a gamecube & Wii emulator for android & said everything is goin great. Now if we can emulate those 2 why can't we emulate ps2 I would think those would be hard to emulate. I also have to find where I read it at & I will post it here.
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Well I read somewhere that someone is working on a gamecube & Wii emulator for android & said everything is goin great.
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i read that the moon landing was fake and the holocaust never happned
I am just taking a shot in the dark here but but couldn't it be possible to emulate the PS Vita on the prime since they both use the Quad-Core ARM Cortex A9. I don't remember how the gpu's stack up against each other but the specs are pretty close. Only thing would be that it is an emulation and that even though they share similar components it may still not be possible.
I highly doubt the vita would be possible as the devise emulating must have 4 times the processing power, but while we're on that note I would love to see a psp emulator or maybe even a GameCube emulator or a dream cast emulator. Anybody thinks this would be possible? These 3 systems are about a decade old now and should thearedicaly be possible. I know I would pay 20 bucks if my games were playable on my prime!
Could be possible because of the fact that the processors are similar it would be sweet if we could just dual boot with the PS Vita OS
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could be possible or porting the games over to us to make it easier. One thing though this NeoDeoid(NeoGeo Emulator) that I have one my prime is sick! I've been playing Metal Slug3, Last Blade2, Double Dragon Fighting Game, EightMan, and Fatal Fury1. They all look n play great on the Prime. Only thing is its a hit or miss finding the NeoGeo Roms that work. I've ran thru a bunch and found those ones I've listed to work so far. FPse(PlayStation) emulator works good also. The roms be huge though..lol. I have my X-Men Vs. Street Fighter, Marvel vs. Capcom, and Einhander on it. Its so crazy playing these fighting games on the Prime now.
A dreamcast and Gamecube one could easily be done if someone made am emulator for it. I'd want a 3DO or Sega Saturn Emulator Also. Good old SnesDroid and GeneDroid(Genesis and Sega Master System)plays whatever you through at it basically. its when you get to emulators requiring a BIOS that things get tricky and not every game wants to work. Or even better an Xbox emulator is possible also. Prime has more than enough muscle for it.
I remember reading something about their being some sort of sony SDK that allowed you to offer your games for the vita and Tegra 3 devices idk where but this would be exactly what we need!
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I remember reading something about their being some sort of sony SDK that allowed you to offer your games for the vita and Tegra 3 devices idk where but this would be exactly what we need!
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I was trying to post that link but sinds iam a new member here i was not permitted , so in google do a search for sony SDK tegra 3 and then click the first link.
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I was trying to post that link but sinds iam a new member here i was not permitted , so in google do a search for sony SDK tegra 3 and then click the first link.
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here you go. sounds great! Article says Tegra3 should easily be able to push n play PS vita games. Also that future PlayStation certified devices will include Tegra3 chipset. Sony and Nvdia have a good partnership going. Plus we can expect PlayStation classics and vita games to roll out very soon for Prime.
http://androidandme.com/2011/09/news/playstation-suite-sdk-should-bring-ps-vita-games-to-android/
yeah i was just emulating a ps1 game and without the filtering off it was able to almost get 100 FPS which is really good! we can almost push some PS3 games if we can push VITA games cuz the graphics are so close!
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There have been a few experiments with DS emulators in the past - but the verdict usually ended up with terrible framerates.
Now that we have a quadcore device that has a sizeable increase in performance over other devices - the question of true performance stands...
"...but can it play pokemon?"
This would be one of the easiest things to do. But its a matter of if anyone wants it. I had DS emulator for Ipad. It was OK. There are no great games really only it. Pokemon is for little kids..lol. by the way though, I think Digimon characters would destroy Pokemon ones..lmfao its really a matter of if someone wants to use their time tl make one. With all the other great emulators out there, no real demand for DS emulator. You the first I ever heard ask for one.
What I want to see is a Turbo Gratix 16 or PC engine emulator or a 3DO one.
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This would be one of the easiest things to do. But its a matter of if anyone wants it. I had DS emulator for Ipad. It was OK. There are no great games really only it. Pokemon is for little kids..lol. by the way though, I think Digimon characters would destroy Pokemon ones..lmfao its really a matter of if someone wants to use their time tl make one. With all the other great emulators out there, no real demand for DS emulator. You the first I ever heard ask for one.
What I want to see is a Turbo Gratix 16 or PC engine emulator or a 3DO one.
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Disagree, there's literally tons of great games on DS, it's been the best hand-held gaming platform I had so far, there's a huge variety of games, not only pokemon
Take a look at Advance Wars 1 and 2, The World Ends With You (this game is a Masterpiece), Dragon Quest IX, Final Fantasy Tactics 2, Scribblenauts, All the Castlevania-RPGs etc ... I'll stop here, but there's a lot more! All of these are no Casual games too!
Anyway concerning the emulator, I think Nintendo sold so many DS that people just play on DS instead of emulators for tablets, but it's just my opinion
I find it funny to hear someone say Pokemon is for kids, and then reference Digimon.
There are tons of great games on the DS system, especially JRPGs.
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I find it funny to hear someone say Pokemon is for kids, and then reference Digimon.
There are tons of great games on the DS system, especially JRPGs.
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Lmfao. You got me. Both are. But if one were to be better than another in battle I'd go with the latter.
To op; those are some good games you mentioned. Advanced wars n dragon quest. Been so long since playing a DS. Or at least the original one. I moved on from Nintendo, as IMO, more kiddie oriented games. I had moved on to PSP. I even had an Atari Lynx back in the day and a TurboExpress still have my Sega master system from over 20yrs. Ago.
D.S was a major advancement in evolution of mobile gaming compared to gameboy. I still think gameboy holds all time best selling portable device.
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Lmfao. You got me. Both are. But if one were to be better than another in battle I'd go with the latter.
To op; those are some good games you mentioned. Advanced wars n dragon quest. Been so long since playing a DS. Or at least the original one. I moved on from Nintendo, as IMO, more kiddie oriented games. I had moved on to PSP. I even had an Atari Lynx back in the day and a TurboExpress still have my Sega master system from over 20yrs. Ago.
D.S was a major advancement in evolution of mobile gaming compared to gameboy. I still think gameboy holds all time best selling portable device.
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I have a PSP too, and there's some great games on it too ... just not as much as on DS IMO ...
You're right about Nintendo being more casual and kid oriented, the exception being the Nintendo DS, there's so much RPGs on this machine and original concepts ... sure there's tons of kid games, but there's just as much "real games" trust me
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I have a PSP too, and there's some great games on it too ... just not as much as on DS IMO ...
You're right about Nintendo being more casual and kid oriented, the exception being the Nintendo DS, there's so much RPGs on this machine and original concepts ... sure there's tons of kid games, but there's just as much "real games" trust me
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I believe it. I love RPG. Been playing since those Dragon warrior n Ultimate Quest of the Avatar on NES. Looking forward to trying out DS emulator once one is made for Prime.
I really want a Dreamcast and Saturn Emulator. Loved playing power stones n Phantasy Star. Those had alot of great RPG also. PC engine/Turbo gratis 16 had some great RPG also.
The problem right now is no so much the lack of hardware that could handle it, it's been the compatability of the emulator with the games. Some games will just never work properly on an emulator no matter what the processing power.
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I'm pretty sure it's only little kids who say Pokemon is only for little kids. All of my friends who are 20+ love Pokemon as it is a great game and is excellently made. All of Nintendo's games are made with the utmost quality and are jam packed full of fun.
That said, I would love to see a DS emulator for android. I've been hoping for one recently as I want to play Pokemon Black or White but I don't want to have to carry my DS around with me. Having only one thing to carry would be awesome.
If we were able to run a full fledged DS emulator on our Prime that would blow all the games iOS + Android combined.
i've had every model of the DS minus the latest 3-Disaster but i honestly wouldn't do much with a DS emulator. i'd probably have more fun with a GBA emulator.
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i've had every model of the DS minus the latest 3-Disaster but i honestly wouldn't do much with a DS emulator. i'd probably have more fun with a GBA emulator.
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Lol, it was a disaster for Nintendo maybe, but I was more than happy to trade in my old DSlite and get a brand new hand-held with tons of added features for $100 That being said, I use it the same amount which is not at all and I don't think I could put an emulator through any more use.
I do have GBC/GBA/NES/SNES/N64 emulators on my phone/Prime and love being able to break out the classics, but the newer Nintendo and its 1st party developers get the less they jive with me as a consumer and fan. A DS/3DS emulator would be for bragging rights more than anything.
What I do want to see is PS2 emulation though! I would kill for that.
There's an issue making emulators for current hardware though, and that's the fact that most dev's don't like entering legal battles with giant corporations. Emulating game ROMs for current hardware isn't looked at any different than pirated games on the original hardware I don't think.
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All of my friends who are 20+ love Pokemon as it is a great game and is excellently made. I want to play Pokemon Black or White
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Black and White FTMFW! #2 of each is supposed to hit japan this summer... STOKED.
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What I do want to see is PS2 emulation though! I would kill for that
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i HAVE killed for this. sadly, it was the guy who was making it and now development has stopped... lol seriously though, i want this so bad, it hurts sometimes.
Not going to happen, however you could check Paul's forums.
He claims that he will work on a NDS emulator next year.
And another 6 months for a 10 fps running stable release.
http://www.paulscode.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=ac72dbe340394abe26ce2bd3919c6555&topic=217.msg3253#new
would love to see a good nds emulator for my prime
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All I really want to do is play Kingdom Hearts 1 & 2 again, no matter what platform. I can't believe they haven't released it for PS3 like they did with the original God of War. Maybe OnLive will come through?
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Is there any development going on to see if the prime. An handle it
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So I was going through my long lost collection of old Windows games and stumbled upon a copy of the original Call of Duty. For the minimum specs, any android phone could really take it ( min. 350MHz, 64MB of RAM and any GPU. So in your opinion, do you think it would be possible to convert any old games like that to Android?
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So I was going through my long lost collection of old Windows games and stumbled upon a copy of the original Call of Duty. For the minimum specs, any android phone could really take it ( min. 350MHz, 64MB of RAM and any GPU. So in your opinion, do you think it would be possible to convert any old games like that to Android?
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Why do you think so? What is the problem?
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Why do you think so? What is the problem?
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CPU architecture, windows' x86 vs mobile's ARM.
I mean other gaming systems have emulators, but you wont get a windows emulator, like almost ever.
You can however, do a remote desktop sort of thing.
x86 vs ARM. Plain and simple to start with. Need we delve into the fundamentals of how different the two operating systems are and how code written for one is specific to it?
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x86 vs ARM. Plain and simple to start with. Need we delve into the fundamentals of how different the two operating systems are and how code written for one is specific to it?
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Alright, thread solved. But that would still be awesome to play if there was a way devs could maybe remake games like that.
Dont know if you ever play zombies on black ops but someone created a black ops zombies for android. It is surprisingly similar to the original.
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Dont know if you ever play zombies on black ops but someone created a black ops zombies for android. It is surprisingly similar to the original.
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I know, that's like nothing compared to a full, developed game though
you can play some REALLY old games through dosbox, like redalert or age of empires, but thats essentially done through brute force emulation, you can also play most old point and click adventures like scummvm which is brilliant, and you MIGHT be able to play cod(if there is a psone version)through retroarch or psx4droid, but it probably wont be a great experience, if you want an fps, nova 3 and mc 4, as blatant ripoffs as they are, and s cheaply developed as they are, play pretty well, counter strike portable also works pretty well