Why do Sony do this? - Sony Tablet S

I have a house full of Sony products, I like the brand and build quality very much, but, with the Sony tablet, I cannot undersatnd why, they choose a 'special' impossibe to obtain plug, also, a charging voltage of 10.2v!
The internal battery inside the tablet is a standard 5v type, as are the workings I believe, so, it would very possible for them, to allow charging via micro USB at a standard +5v, as a lot of other tablets do.
The charger is £29+ to buy, nothing special, if I could get the plug, I'd knock one up for couple of £.
I also have a high end Sony 3D televison, that has facility for internet via USB, but, you can't use a standard USB wireless dongle unit, it has to be Sony, as they installed some data in the USB stick to stop you using cheaper USB dongles..... why?
Further, my Sony MP3 player NWZX1060, will not accept charge via any other, but Sony 5v power supply, the Sony ones are of course 5 times the price!
Don't get me wrong, I love Sony gear, but, feel slightly annoyed the way they do things, even more so with the Sony Tablet.
Anyone else with simialr feelings?

Horse Trader said:
I cannot undersatnd why, they choose a 'special' impossibe to obtain plug, also, a charging voltage of 10.2v!
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I agree that Sony's plug selection was ludicrous; however, because most USB ports on computers and chargers cannot supply the 2.9 ampere charging current that the tablet requires, I believe Sony purposely selected to use a non-standard connector to help prevent their customers from damaging their computers, etc. And Sony using 10.5 VDC instead of 5 VDC decreases charging time (similar to the difference between quick-charge and trickle-charge of an automobile battery charger).

I understand exactly what your saying, but, surly for sheer convenience, Sony could has incorparated a slow(er) charging facility from standard 5v supply, using computer USB or different lower current charger, most other portable devices allow this.
I love Sony stuff, but, they always seem to do things differently, nothing wrong with that of course, until it cost your more, sometimes unnessacery money! ..... maybe!

Horse Trader said:
I also have a high end Sony 3D televison, that has facility for internet via USB, but, you can't use a standard USB wireless dongle unit, it has to be Sony, as they installed some data in the USB stick to stop you using cheaper USB dongles..... why?
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You know, I've heard this a lot, but I bought some nameless brand USB adapter plug on Amazon and it works just fine. Maybe I got lucky.
As for the power adapter, I always assumed it was a special port to accommodate their cradle and keep other tablets from taking advantage of it. Seeing as I don't care about the cradle and would love to charge this thing in a car, it's still awfully inconvenient.

hogaburger said:
I bought some nameless brand USB adapter plug on Amazon and it works just fine.
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Please provide a link to the adapter you bought. Thanks.

Horse Trader said:
Further, my Sony MP3 player NWZX1060, will not accept charge via any other, but Sony 5v power supply, the Sony ones are of course 5 times the price!
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I've not had any problems charging my NWZX1061 with my PC, USB hub, or Sony Ericsson EP800.

Horse Trader said:
Further, my Sony MP3 player NWZX1060, will not accept charge via any other, but Sony 5v power supply, the Sony ones are of course 5 times the price!
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Sorry, but this is wrong! You shouldn't buy the cheapest China Crap charger but your x1060 works with non Sony chargers, too. I had a x1060 and it cod be charged through my Usb-chargers from Palm, Belkin, Blackberry etc. without problems!
On the rest you are right... but most companies do this!
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Cat McGowan said:
I agree that Sony's plug selection was ludicrous; however, because most USB ports on computers and chargers cannot supply the 2.9 ampere charging current that the tablet requires, I believe Sony purposely selected to use a non-standard connector to help prevent their customers from damaging their computers, etc. And Sony using 10.5 VDC instead of 5 VDC decreases charging time (similar to the difference between quick-charge and trickle-charge of an automobile battery charger).
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Rapid charge thru higher amps lessens way battery life way faster and Sony know that but people want faster charging times
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Please provide a link to the adapter you bought. Thanks.
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0027YYMU6/
So far I've connected a keyboard, mouse, logitech usb gaming controller, and synced my PS3 controller with this adapter. I'm on stock ICS.
Sorry for the late reply. Just got a new phone and haven't made it back around to this part of the forums yet

Feel like Ive been treated as a crash test dummy.
Wish I'de never bought this tablet, the main reason is the charging problem, I spend most of my life on the road with no respite until I get home in the evening and no access to the 240v needed for charging, with the occasional foray into work related periods during which time my tablet is important, so many times have i had to rely on paper and pencil until I got home because the tablet was dead, which defeats the whole idea of mobility.
And dont tell me about the tablet needs a certain amperage or voltage or charging time etc., other tablets manage without the stupid tethering to a socket and as for the ics fiasco for Uk users, what can I say.
As a product I like it, but its a bog standard operating system nothing to set it aside from the rest except its design, but the cons far outway the pros for me.
Mind you sony are not alone in there disregard for their user base, I started with HP ipaqs, until HP decide in there wisdom to stop supporting them, then there was the Dell streak episode (painful) Im still paying for a phone contract for a phone that I cant get repaired because the parts are no longer available, had about a years use out of it befor it broke, not good for a £400 + phone.
Im of an age that expects more out of my purchases than the shoddy service we get served up with by manufacturers that treat us with destain and use us as a beta testing ground with impunity when things go wrong.
Sorry about the rant, must have got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning, still its a thumbs down from me.

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henly said:
Wish I'de never bought this tablet, the main reason is the charging problem.
And dont tell me about the tablet needs a certain amperage or voltage or charging time etc., other tablets manage without the stupid tethering
As a product I like it, but its a bog standard operating system nothing to set it aside from the rest except its design, but the cons far outway the pros for me.
Mind you sony are not alone in there disregard for their user base.
Im of an age that expects more out of my purchases than the shoddy service... and use as a beta testing ground
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I disagree with you here (respectfully, of course).
Battery:
Although other tablets can be charged off USB, they have sacrifices as well. Tablets chargable by USB will be much slower to charge and (theoretically) have shorter long-term lifespans. Sony decided that the 240v-only charing was a worthy tradeoff for the quick charging time and long battery lifespan.
Software:
This software is actually quite distinct from most other HC/ICS tablets. It is thankfully spared from the mess that is TouchWiz UX, and instead gets useful additions like Small Apps, the Favourites launcher, the three-icon dock, and heavily customised and highly versatile stock app inclusions. Although I like Acer's wheel launcher, the Sony is the best all-round software package I've seen from an Android tablet since my original Galaxy Tab.
Support lifespan:
I feel for you on this one as a previous owner of an original Galaxy Tab, the disregard for older devices is disheartening, but is to be expected in any dynamically developing field such as Android Tablets. It is simply not economical for companies to maintain full support for product lines that have been superseded, are getting old or simply don't have the users. It doesn't make business sense. In their defense, Sony support have been fantastic in my limited experience.
"Beta" nature:
It's unfortunately the nature of cutting-edge products that there will be unexpected quirks, but you should factor this into the buying decision. Long-established lines like Samsung's Galaxy Tab's are an obvious example of better-known, and more refined tablets. As an iPaq owner, you should remember that the original ipaq's were very quirky, buggy and generally lacking in refinement at the expense of their great functionality. The same is to be expected of this product, which you must remember is Sony's first foray into the Android Tablet market.
Anyway, sorry for the even longer rant, but I simply love my Tablet S and find that many users are maintaining some unreasonable expectations for this product and generally not thinking before they're buying in some cases.

I agree with most of what you've said, but as a comsumer with no loyalty or affiliations to any one product I simply want what is best for me, and you know as well as I, that when you buy a product such as this, it is mainly bare bones for a while until the industry gets it act together and things like car chargers etc come along, and that is what I expected, I did'nt realise until much later that you couldnt charge through the usb port in fact there are still items being sold on ebay under the term Tablet S charger which appear to be just a standard usb lead.
I originally bought a Ipod 1, which I returned to the store because the salesman assured me that it would play flash vids which in fact it would not, (some problem with Adobe apparently, fixed now I believe in Ipod 2.) and the Tablet S was the next thing to be recomended and with the dearth of info on the net at that time, I didnt have much option.
As for software, the first thing most of us here on this forum do is to root, then rip out all the stock apps and Bloatware and replace with different UIs etc.
Support seems to be shoddy in the extreme (and I dont nesseccarily mean Sony here), but most like you (respectivly) seem to accept it, personaly I hate it, but I seem to be in the minortity, I would dearly love to go round to some of these companies with pitchforks and burning firebrands (joke, in case anyone takes me seriously), would you accept the same thing if it were a car you were buying or a house, just because a thing is only current today doesnt mean it should not be fit for purpose, it should have a life span of more than two weeks.
Economically viable, Ha, have a look at Sony share prices or any of the market leaders come to that.
I simply dont factor in quirks or anomallies into my buying decisions because I as a paying full price consumer, expect things to be fit for purpose, and, i reiterate, with a resonable life span, how can it be right that something you pay good money for be entirely unusable in the space of a few months.
Thats all I'll say on the matter, please dont regard this as a flame because it isnt meant as such, and im sure I must be breaking some forum rules ranting on, my appoligies if thats so.

I can see what you're saying.
This is not specifically about you, more other users, is that everyone needs to remember to research before buying a product. In your case, a quick Google Search would reveal that no iOS products are capable of playing Flash content and never have been. WP7 is the same while Android can play it after installation. The same goes for the Tablet S in that anyone who posts about no hardware video out, a lack of custom ROM support, or simply the smaller screen size has obviously not done much research about what they're buying. Different devices have been designed for different purposes, and people are expected therefore to buy the right tool for the job.
As for Sony themselves, remember that this is their very first Android tablet and is a very small part of their business. Their tablet division, which hasn't sold amazing numbers, would be being helped along in terms of share price and revenue by Sony's other businesses including the highly successful BluRay, DLNA licensing, PlayStation, XPeria, Walkman, Sony Pictures, Sony Music BMG, CyberShot, and BRAVIA units. Compared to those, the Tablet S is a minor blip in the radar.
Although to me your expectations seem high, and references to two-week lifespans seem odd, thats obviously your opinion and you're entitled to it. Just trying to give any readers a clear picture of what to expect.

.... Some very interesting replies in this thread, most, of which I agree with.
Sony, is now a massive company, huge, so, surly, theR & D departments would have given an indication of what people actually wanted in a tablet?
Another thing about Sony is, they seem to lock their (modofied Android) firmware down, such as the Sony Xperia S I bought a couple of months ago, this I discoverd some time later, has a locked bootloader, so, I can't put another (better?) firmware, I think it's simlar to the Sony S tablet?
Some people will say, it's to stop you messing and spoilng things?? if a person wants to change firmware etc., surly it's up to them, if they mess up, it's their fault, and, if neccessary, should pay to have it rectified (by Sony?)
I love Sony stuff, I have a house full of it, but, when you want to expand, use non Sony gear with it, change or, deviate from the norm, there is usually always a problem.
Is this all in Sony's interest to generate even more cash ......... I wonder?
Just my thoughts.

Although cash is a bit of the process, its more to do with Sony's hardware and software philosophy. All of Sony's devices from the Xperia's to the Tablet's to the PlayStations rely on Sony's design which uses locked down software models to ensure that the device works as Sony designed it. They basically believe that a tradeoff in user customisation is worth the more polished experience. This does unfortunately mean that early products in a line (think early Ericsson-partnered Xperia's and the Tablet S) sometimes mess up the balance a little.
Sony, as a brand, often invests in its own proprietary formats, software and designs, and therefore tends to lock them down more than their more open brethren at other brands like Asus.
I agree with you about their R&D and I find it odd that in some respects they nailed it (I love that glorious curved design), but in other respects buggered it (battery,software tweaks). Meh, who knows??

imho opinion the S is the best non-ipad tablet out there. If you think Sony lock the system down and control how you use the device you haven't experienced Apple products.
I'm happy with the S. The remote control, native DNLA and Flash support are the 3 things that sold it to me. Now upgraded to ICS It's not rooted and I can;t see a need to root it.
sure I;d like a better screen and a faster machine but who wouldn't.

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I echo what you, and the previous 'senior member' said, I too have no reason to root the Sony Tablet S, yes, it's a lovely machine, that's why I bought it, mine was the same price as the iPAd, but, I choose Sony, as, I'm sure lots of other people did too.
My gripe was directed at the Sony Xperia S mobile too, that firmware is locked down firmly too, and, being a fully qualifed electronics engineer, I cannot understand, why, the Sony S tablet, has a UK charger of 10.2v at 2.9A.
It would have been a great help, if a slow (emergency?) charge facility was available via the micro USB socket at 5 volts, although, your limited to 500mA on USB 2... more people now have USB3 which allows much higher charging current, so, in my opinon it's very possible.
Or, maybe 2 x USB leads, as on the Sony portable CD reader/writer, that uses 2 x USB plugs to deliver the extra current required.
The internal battery inside the Sony S tablet is actually 5 volts, so, it seems quite possible in theory, to allow a lower current charge at 5 volts, although will take a lot longer to charge up fully of course, maybe up to 10 times as long? ... B U T , it might just get some people out of a mess?
Also, the wierd plug Sony use for the Tablet DC power supply charger, if I could get a plug itself, I could build my own car charger, an easy task.... a 'standard' DC socket arrangement, would have been better, some tablets use this type already, they could even incorparate that into the dedicated Sony Cradle.
Just my opinion, Sony do things in strange ways ........
What does anyone else think?

I totally agree that Sony does some strange stuff sometimes.
Still love the innovation that Sony brings to their products.

Sony has a long history of doing things that make their consumers feel like they have gotten the finger. The company spent more see development time on the PSP blocking hacks rather than adding the features those hacks were being used to create. The same energy initially went into their music sales; anyone else remember the rootkits that came with their disks at one time? All of the proprietary things mentioned above fall into this category too.
That said, this tablet is yet another in a long line of successful products in terms of usability, ingenuity, and quality from the company. I have rooted, but for the most part Sony's product works well on its own. I'm overjoyed with the USB conversion dongle, and the tablet is nice to hold.
It's unfortunate that the company has so many low lights in its dealings with customers, but it's not like we should be surprised. Personally, i bought this tablet when i saw this board and knew that it would be another Sony product with side development for the dumb bugs. Now if i could just get plants vs zombies to work...
--Databoy2k

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Batteries

I had a quick look but i couldnt find these ones on the site. As most of you know a spare battery (or 7) is a must with the TP2. But im a noob and im not sure what the difference is with these with the mAh ratings. Is there much difference between 13050mAh and 1500mAh batteries? which will be better?
Heres the 1500mAh battery
Here is the 1350mAh battery
Thanks
Personally, I wouldn't get a replacement battery from HK, and not over Ebay either - I've used one source for two-way radio kit over there for a while, and while the Li-Po and Li-Io batteries do work, they appear to have a limited life span in comparison with OEM equipment available over here.
I'd think about long-term savings, and get something from Clove (linkage here), who at least can be held accountable to the "fit for use" elements of the Sale Of Goods Act 1964 over here, unlike HK sources via ebay. Don't get me wrong - ebay's a great source of bargain kit, but for something as essential and spec-critical as a PDA/Phone battery, I'd go home-grown retail sources every time, purely for the legal protection.
In any case, I'm getting a PowerMonkey from Maplin today. Much more versatile for me
My spare batteries have always been HK cheapo's and never a problem with them before. If that one you showed me was half the price it is then id have got it.
1600 mAh battery from the uk?
Is this really genuine?
SMF_12 - I opted for the powerMonkey for a number of reasons.
It's small enough to lug around in a pocket or belt pouch.
It carries potentially two full TP2 charges from a single full charge
It's got a long shelf life on a single charge
It's got adaptors in the box for most of the portable devices you might already own that take a 4.5-5.5 vDC charge
If by chance your connecter isn't there, they suply additional ones at a very reasonable cost
It'll charge my TP2 and my other half's Razr (that's the motorola phone, not the ladyshave ) too
Oh, did I mention it's rechargeable off anything with a USB port, and can take a charge off any mains power socket on the globe (travel plugs come as standard).
I'm rather impressed with it
However, if all you want is the spare battery, then by all means, go for that instead
As to the "is this genuine"... he's in the UK, subject to the Sale of Goods Act and the Trade Descriptions Act. If he's telling fibs, he can be held accountable. Hope that helps
Have fun
UPDATE: Hold fire on the PowerMoneky, folks. There's a glitch. While the supplied USB charging cable works with the miniUSB adaptor tip to charge the TP2, the PowerMoneky itself does not - say again not - appear to be charging the TP2. Only found this out last night - I've been using the USB adaptor cable and tip up to now.
A trouble ticket email has been sent to them, asking for any information regarding this, and hopefully a fix as well.
You can imagine how damned annoyed - and embarrassed - I am at this point in time.
Update - very rapid response from PowerTraveller tech support - seems that they believe I need a "DOPOD" adaptor tip, and requested my snail mail address so that they could send me one - still doesn't explain how the miniUSB tip works when I'm using it in the car from the cigar lighter -> USB adaptor, but there y'go. Soon as the DOPOD tip arrives, I'll test it out, and update you all
Thanks for that, i took a look at it in maplins today but i think ill stick to a second battery. but im sure people will be happy to read your review on the product so keep us updated on this product
Will do
OK, DOPOD adaotor tip arrived today.
Result: FAIL.
The text of the follow-up note to PowerTraveller Customer Services, sent this evening, is reproduced below, less the name of the Customer Services agent there.
Thanks for the DOPOD adaptor tip, which arrived today.
Unfortunately, it does not appear to solve the problem.
I connected the tip to the PowerMonkey Classic lead, and then plugged it into the ExtUSB connector socket on the HTC Touch Pro 2. I then moved the switch on the PowerMonkey Classic to "on". Again, the green light on the PowerMonkey Classic started to flash, but there was no noticable difference from using the normal USB adaptor tip; i.e., there was no amber charging light illuminated on the Touch Pro 2, and no charging icon was to be seen on the screen. I have to assume that there was therefore no charging current making it to my HTC Touch Pro 2.
The entire point of purchasing the PowerMonkey Classic was the be able to recharge my HTC Touch Pro 2 when I was away from other power sources, such as my home, my car, and other USB sources such as notebook PCs, when out and about conducting, for example, GPS-related activities, which are heavy on battery consumption. The advertising that I saw led me to believe that the PowerMonkey Classic *would* be the solution to my problem. Sadly, however, despite your attempt with the DOPOD adaptor tip, this does NOT appear to be the case, and I am VERY disappointed, as you can imagine.
It is remotely possible that your engineers have missed that on the Touch Pro 2, the connector on the bottom of the unit is NOT a standard USB connector, but HTCs proprietary ExtUSB format (which combines power, audio, and data feeds in one socket/plug format)?
Could you possibly check with the engineers, and ascertain if they have actually physically *tested* the DOPOD with the HTC Touch Pro 2, and, if so, how they managed to get the darn thing to accept charging current from the PowerMonkey Classic?
As it stands now, failing a working solution from your selves, I am the poud owner of the thirty quid high-tech paperweight, that is of zero use to me. I am due to see my partner (who lives 70-odd miles from me) soon, and we will test at that time whether the device works in charging a Motorola Razr.
If it does, then, short a working solution for my Touch Pro 2 being forthcoming from your company, I will give my partner the device. At least then, someone will profit from using the device. I however, will be back to square one, searching for an on-foot recharging solution for my phone.
Finaly, I would remind you that all the above fails to explain why I can get a ten quid self-reeling cigar lighter adaptor unit in my car, using what appears to be a standard USB connector, to successfully charge my Touch Pro 2. Naturally, I would be VERY interested in knowing why this succeeds, where the PowerMonkey Classic fails.
Sincerely,
Roger Stenning
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As you can imagine, I am far from amused at this entire sorry bloody saga.
As always, I'll keep you all updated, should there be anything to report.
EDIT:
Almost forgot - confirmation USB source test result:
Almost forgot. I checked to see if the DOPOD tip worked with a purely USB-derived power source, so plugged the supplied self-reeling PowerMonkey adaptor cable into the tip, then into my computers' USB port, and connected the tip to the Touch pro 2. Surprise surprise, the amber light on the phone illuminated, and charging current was flowing into the Touch Pro 2.
The problem is therefore sqarely defined as being with the PowerMonkey itself, and NOT the adaptor tip.
Casting back to my original note, I have to assume that the PowerMonkey is NOT delivering a powerful enough charge, at 4.5 VDC, where USB specs clearly require 5 VDC. There is therefore a deficit of 0.5 VDC from the PowerMonkey Classic.
I will still check to see if this is successful in charging a Motorola RAZR or not, and will report back to you at that time.
Sincerely,
Roger Stenning
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I've never had problems with HK batteries either, but hasn't this thread been done a few times already?
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1600 mAh battery from the uk?
Is this really genuine?
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Hope so, I've just ordered
Update time.
PowerTraveller, manufacture of the Power Monkey Classic v1, have sent me a returns form in the email, and have told me that once I've returned it, they'll send a replacement after testing.
Looks like the postage is down to me, though
Roger, if it's any consolation, I've had to do the merry dance that you appear to be doing right now. I bought a v1 just over six months ago and went through the exact process you have described. Just the other day, I received a replacement unit that I'm testing now. My problem was that when my phone was 'next to' empty, I'd plug in the v1 and it would charge to about 50% before itself becoming empty. I know the v1 was full because I had charged it for hours and the LED was green. "Two fulls charges"? Pfffft.
I also got the load of old cobblers from Powermonkey about the USB tips too. How I should use a DOPOD tip instead of a USB one. When I questioned 'why?' I received a half mumbled reply about the tips being internally wired differently. The one that they promised to mail me never arrived so I bought one from the website, being only like £3. Did it make a difference? No.
I don't know how this replacement's going to work out but I have my doubts. Before buying the v1, I bought two other Powertraveller products, the Powerchimp device that runs off two rechargeable AA batteries. I gave up on both of them within a week because even with two fully charged AAs, it seemed to charge my phone for about 30 minutes before being in an empty state and when I looked at my phone (TytnII) it had maybe gained 10% charge. OK if you want to make say one emergency phonecall but useless if you need the equivelent of a fully charged spare battery (or two!!!).
I'm going to monitor how it works out and see if this replacement works and provides at least a full charge and a half. If it doesn't, well, although it'll work on some level, it just doesn't do what it's advertised to do which is very naughty (especially when you see them laud their product all over the internet/Twitter etc as the most amzing thing since bread that has been sliced
One day guys, once day I hope the world will see a truly reliable and consistant portable power supply. Maybe in a thousand years, even a reliable solar powered products?
hiya - thanks for the heads up. It's be damned nice to see a curcuit diagram of the thing, along with a specific list of components. They try that mumbling stuff with me, they may bite themselves somewhere embarrassing - I'm also a licenced Radio ham in the UK (G1LIW), and as some of you might know, we have to pass tests in the technical aspects of the radio hobby - which includes electronics
I'm damned if I know what the preventative difference between a DOPOD and a miniUSB tip, either, by the way, given that the ExtUSB used by HTC only adds maybe 7 contacts to the format while avoiding existing MiniUSB pin locations...
MiniUSB layout...
http://pinouts.ru/Slots/USB_pinout.shtml
ExtUSB layout...
http://pinouts.ru/PDA/htc_extusb_headset_pinout.shtml
The two are not, of course, interchangeable - while MiniUSB plugs will fit into ExtUSB sockets, the reverse is not true.
Anyhow, we will see.
Thanks again for the heads up
Quick test result update.
I let my TytnII (battery, 1350mAh?) drop to 30% battery and then plugged in my fully charged P M Classic. It charged back to 100% and the charge LED was still flashing green. I then plugged in my half empty old Motorola V3, it charged it for approx 30 minutes before flashing red and eventually stopping. 2200mAh!?!? capacity? I bet I didn't consume any more than about a 1000mAh and it was empty.
OK, it's new so this might go up a bit but it really doesn't bode well. OK, so maybe I'll get one full charge out of it but it's advertised as 2200 my phone is 1350, surely it should be up towards about two charges?
Bottom line is, it works but nowhere near as well as it's advertised to do.
OK, received the replacement PM (it's a version 2, not a version 1) in the mail today. They included another DOPOD adaptor tip, too. Guess they figured I'm a clumsy schmuk who may have lost the one they sent me the other week (nope, still got it)
Anyhow, Turning it on results in rapid green LED blinking, meaning they fully charged it before sending it to me. Which was nice of them
However, and interestingly, plugging in a charger to it does NOT result in any LED illuminating. Odd. have to follow that up later.
I'll let you all know how it behaves in charging my phone once I use it "in anger".
Be interested to see what you make of it's charge capacity...
Cured the inability to charge the PowerMonkey problem - it was a rather embarrassing user error - the plug wasn't correctly seated in the mains socket
Gonna let the phone drain a bit while I'm on holiday this week, and use the PM to charge it. It's a PMv2, not a PMv1, that they sent as a replacement, remember, so we will see if the thing behaves any better than your v1
Later
After a month or so of tests, I can say my version 2 is 'better' but it still doesn't delivery the one and a half charges it's supposed to. On average, I'd say it fully charges my TYTN2 once and is then empty.
I really can't be bothered to stress about it any more because I guess, one full charge is better than nothing but I think I'm justified in being a little irked that it doesn't do what it's advertised to do?
Conclusion: It works, it'll charge your phone to full from empty and is an alternative to buying a spare battery for your phone. It'll also charge everyone elses phone with the right adapter!

[Q] anyone else think the hardware keyboard should be a blue tooth keyboard

It seems like the keyboard should be able to connect to the tablet via blue tooth when it's not connected to the tablet.
I wonder if there is anyway to mod it be a blue tooth keyboard?
There are times where it's nice to use the transformer as a tablet, but during that time the keyboard is totally useless.
Can the keyboard even be connected to the tablet via cable to use the battery but without having to hold up the extra bulk and such?
No, if you want a simple keyboard buy one. This dock is a dock, not simply an external keyboard. Bluetooth would just rape the battery on both and limit the functionality of it.
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It seems like the keyboard should be able to connect to the tablet via blue tooth when it's not connected to the tablet.
I wonder if there is anyway to mod it be a blue tooth keyboard?
There are times where it's nice to use the transformer as a tablet, but during that time the keyboard is totally useless.
Can the keyboard even be connected to the tablet via cable to use the battery but without having to hold up the extra bulk and such?
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In one word...No
There are lots of bluetooth keyboards you can find if you want one. As they say ...it is what it is.
I still use mine as a tablet. I usually plug the charger into the dock when I'm using it as a tablet only.
You can pick up bluetooth keyboards for cheap. Doesnt hurt to have several options.
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it's really diapointing to see how little thought went in to the few responses.
does this sort of lack of thought and imagination really epitomize the general population here?
has anyone heard of the idea of a dual or multi-use tool?
and what about an on/off switch for blue tooth?
oh well, dead topic at this point
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tazmeister said:
it's really diapointing to see how little thought went in to the few responses.
does this sort of lack of thought and imagination really epitomize the general population here?
has anyone heard of the idea of a dual or multi-use tool?
and what about an on/off switch for blue tooth?
oh well, dead topic at this point
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so you made a thread asking if people agree with your opinion; they don't, and you call them dumb?
Also, yes, we are the epitome of the general population (...lol, wut?)
but to answer your question, the keyboard could have been a Bluetooth keyboard as well as a dock. no one is denying that. could it have been better if it were, probably. would it cost even more, most likely. would the additional cost justify the very limited uses of bluetooth-mode (uses that can't already be accomplished by the dock, in a close-range configuration) ?
nope.
so in conclusion, no.
I think the dock should have bluetooth so the keyboard could be used even when the tablet is detached. It's a shame, they didn't think of it.
@finalhit - the dock already is overpriced. I think they could easily added bluetooth without changing the price.
Get an ipad. It's probably got the most number of choices for bluetooth keyboard.
IRT the topic title: no.
Why? The Bluetooth stuff is in the tablet. To use the keyboard dock undocked via Bluetooth would be a cool feature, even if the battery drain would surge.
Versus how much that feature would increase the cost of the dock, I don't think it is a good idea: versus letting people buy a seperate Bluetooth keyboard if they need that sort of thing. My Transformer's dock is a pretty cheap piece of equipment, few moving parts if you please. The most expensive thing is probably the battery/charging stuff.
$150 extra for the dock makes a very good ROI versus just getting a standard netbook or tablet.
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IRT the topic title: no.
Why? The Bluetooth stuff is in the tablet. To use the keyboard dock undocked via Bluetooth would be a cool feature, even if the battery drain would surge.
Versus how much that feature would increase the cost of the dock, I don't think it is a good idea: versus letting people buy a seperate Bluetooth keyboard if they need that sort of thing. My Transformer's dock is a pretty cheap piece of equipment, few moving parts if you please. The most expensive thing is probably the battery/charging stuff.
$150 extra for the dock makes a very good ROI versus just getting a standard netbook or tablet.
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agreed, why would i want to rape the dock which is essentially a back up battery? makes no sense
tazmeister said:
it's really diapointing to see how little thought went in to the few responses.
does this sort of lack of thought and imagination really epitomize the general population here?
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No, I thought about it. I just thought it was a stupid idea. I like the way the dock works now (actually, I should say my girlfriend does since she stole mine and I haven't used it in months).
Go into the hardware mod and do it yourself, I dont want to add $50 for a feature that would drain both batteries faster and I would never use. How hard is it to have the TF in the dock if you are using the dock? I dont see a need to have the TF across the room while typing on the keyboard dock.
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@finalhit - the dock already is overpriced. I think they could easily added bluetooth without changing the price.
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Been hearing this since day 1, asked for someone to produce evidence (or product) of something that does the same for less, still haven't seen one example. Only bad examples of USB keyboards that don't provide the USB host control, SD card reader, stand and 6 hour battery functionality (with pass through charging).
I'm sure it is possible with enough effort to take a Bluetooth keyboard, replace the bottom with a custom module that provides mounthing for hard drive, card reader, battery, etc; or perhaps fashion a custom USB 3 hub you can rig for docking+charging.
In the end, unless you're the kind the get hackish at a work bench (I wish I had one), just using the dock when you want a keyboard, is a good idea. Much further away then docked somewhat minimizes the utility of a TOUCHSCREEN as well, unless you go bluetooth rat as well.
I think most people don't understand what we want - the dock should work as intentended when attached but switch to bluetooth when detached (could be switchable to preserve battery). There is no reason it would be in any way worse than it is now. Cost - as I said, it's already overpriced, so adding bluetooth doesn't have to increase it.
What value do you see in doing it that way? From what I can think of, I'd still opt to just pay less for the dock.
I could see the dock having bluetooth when detached beneficial when the tablet is hooked to my TV and I want to control it from my couch and the tablet is across the room hooked to the TV. Does someone make a bluetooth remote that can do this?
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I think most people don't understand what we want - the dock should work as intentended when attached but switch to bluetooth when detached (could be switchable to preserve battery). There is no reason it would be in any way worse than it is now. Cost - as I said, it's already overpriced, so adding bluetooth doesn't have to increase it.
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No, we understand. We just dont agree with either the usefulness or your judgement about them being able to do it without any cost impact.
if its that easy put it in yourself.
The whole purpose of the dock is to bring netbook like functionality and portable to the tablet. Using the dock/keyboard with bluetooth would defeat that purpose. Imagine sitting on a bus or train and trying to support the tablet and use both hands to type on the keyboard. You wouldn't be able to do it, unless you have extra arms, but as far as I know, I only have two.
Same thing with connecting the dock to the tablet with a cable. Defeats the whole portability the Transformer was made for. Portability is one of the Transformer's major selling points. And let's be honest, do you really need 16 hours of life on your tablet? Mine is off the charger from 7 am to around 11pm when I go to bed, and since I hardly use it at school, it can still have 85% battery when I plug it back in.
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Magnesus said:
I think most people don't understand what we want - the dock should work as intentended when attached but switch to bluetooth when detached (could be switchable to preserve battery). There is no reason it would be in any way worse than it is now. Cost - as I said, it's already overpriced, so adding bluetooth doesn't have to increase it.
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Again, Bluetooth defeats the whole point of the dock. The dock wasn't meant to be used detached from the tablet. If that's the case, Asus would've just installed a little touchscreen LCD where the touchpad is and let it run HC as well. That's like saying a car should be able to run on apple juice, even though they are built to run on gas -.-
You think a keyboard that gives you USB ports, an extra 9 hours of battery (?), and the ability to add another 128GB+ to your tablet is overpriced at $100? Wow.
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I could see the dock having bluetooth when detached beneficial when the tablet is hooked to my TV and I want to control it from my couch and the tablet is across the room hooked to the TV. Does someone make a bluetooth remote that can do this?
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FWIW I saw this and thought it might be useful to you; didn't have time to look at the thread very closely though!
I thought of the same thing and even posted this idea to the Design Team of Asus. But I didn't get a response.
It would be a brilliant idea. I even tried to connect a BT dongle and see if they could pair up. Didnt work.
Suppose I want to read a book and didn't fancy swiping across the screen - I could use the dock remotely and turn the pages.
That still makes little sense? Who reads a book on this thing without holding it in their hands or having it in their lap?
About the only scenario that has made any sense at all was the one using the TF to power the TV with the dock remotely connected but even then I doubt 99.999% of the users would ever do that (ive only even powered a TV twice. once to test and a second at a friends house to show them something).

Qi Wireless Charging in Sony Xperias

When will we see Qi Wireless charging functionality built into Sony Xperia smartphones? Now that Nokia has it built in to their new Windows 8 phones I hope we will see it soon from Sony hopefully beginning with their phones announced at CES 2013. When do you think it will happen? Xperia 2013? 2014?
P.S. Sony is a member of the Qi Wireless power consortium standard body:
http://www.wirelesspowerconsortium.com/member-list/details/18268/sony-corporation
Info about new Nokia's with Qi built in:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/05/nokia-lumia-fatboy-recharing-pillow-wireless-charging-pads/
Our XS has NFC, by what i learn energy could be transfer through NFC! Why won't we get Wireless Charging too!
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I wouldn't trust too much of what Nokia or Microsoft tell you about the new Lumias. They are so desperate, they have to fake camera footage to sell phones...
http://gizmodo.com/5940784/nokia-fa...-and-then-claimed-they-never-said-it-was-real
I'm guessing American consumers are too thick to notice...
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I wouldn't trust too much of what Nokia or Microsoft tell you about the new Lumias. They are so desperate, they have to fake camera footage to sell phones...
http://gizmodo.com/5940784/nokia-fa...-and-then-claimed-they-never-said-it-was-real
I'm guessing American consumers are too thick to notice...
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They are certainly not lying about the inclusion of the Qi technology in their Lumias.
And this is certainly nothing new or novel, even the first PalmPre from 2009 had a wireless "Touchstone Charger". Electric toothbrushes are using it for many years now.
This is just one of many useful and already well known things manufacturers choose to completely ignore.
I don't know, maybe it is just "let us save that for later upgrades" thing. Or they are just waiting until apple "invents" it.
draugaz said:
They are certainly not lying about the inclusion of the Qi technology in their Lumias.
And this is certainly nothing new or novel, even the first PalmPre from 2009 had a wireless "Touchstone Charger". Electric toothbrushes are using it for many years now.
This is just one of many useful and already well known things manufacturers choose to completely ignore.
I don't know, maybe it is just "let us save that for later upgrades" thing. Or they are just waiting until apple "invents" it.
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I love the phrase " until apple "invents" it!
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draugaz said:
They are certainly not lying about the inclusion of the Qi technology in their Lumias.
And this is certainly nothing new or novel, even the first PalmPre from 2009 had a wireless "Touchstone Charger". Electric toothbrushes are using it for many years now.
This is just one of many useful and already well known things manufacturers choose to completely ignore.
I don't know, maybe it is just "let us save that for later upgrades" thing. Or they are just waiting until apple "invents" it.
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TOTALLY agree
CrazyPeter said:
I wouldn't trust too much of what Nokia or Microsoft tell you about the new Lumias. They are so desperate, they have to fake camera footage to sell phones...
http://gizmodo.com/5940784/nokia-fa...-and-then-claimed-they-never-said-it-was-real
I'm guessing American consumers are too thick to notice...
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Dude, get a life or get real.
I don't really see the point in wireless charging. If you pick up your phone it'll stop charging. If I'd want my phone charging in a fixed position I'd get a dock.
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Sirence said:
I don't really see the point in wireless charging. If you pick up your phone it'll stop charging. If I'd want my phone charging in a fixed position I'd get a dock.
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Agree, plus;
I don't want to buy another "wireless dock" to charge my phone at work, in the car, at my friends [who's phone uses micro-usb] How can I dock AND transfer files and charge? My electric beard trimmer uses Micro-USB, so I can share the cable, it makes sense to have most things backwards-compatible.
draugaz said:
They are certainly not lying about the inclusion of the Qi technology in their Lumias.
And this is certainly nothing new or novel, even the first PalmPre from 2009 had a wireless "Touchstone Charger". Electric toothbrushes are using it for many years now.
This is just one of many useful and already well known things manufacturers choose to completely ignore.
I don't know, maybe it is just "let us save that for later upgrades" thing. Or they are just waiting until apple "invents" it.
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+1, post of the day.
"just waiting until apple invents it" I love it
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Bringing this thread back to life, any one game enough to do this to their Xperia phone?
Adding Qi support to Samsung Galaxy III
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxgHbBhybYY
Just so others can find this topic too, we're talking about conductive charging / wireless charging for our Xperia 2012 devices.
The manufacturer UWay sell 'charging clips' which is basically a plastic pad which the phone can sit in and be connected via USB micro, the problem is the USB microconnector is fixed in the top/bottom center position where our USB port is positioned on the right-side.
http://www.uway-qi.com/Productsshow.asp?ID=26
UWay also sell the 'raw guts' coil with board solution from which you'd then cover and solder into the USB micro voltage port; not forgetting to ground it.
http://www.uway-qi.com/Productsshow.asp?ID=26
I'm going to buy a thin plastic sleeve case for my Sola and one of the raw gut items and see if I can get the two to play. Have e-mailed UWay, waiting a response, will update as I go.
U-Way are sending their charging clip as well as receiver board solution, also got a cheap thin case and right angled USB micro cable for this proof of concept. Will update in 2 weeks when parts arrive.
Sirence said:
I don't really see the point in wireless charging. If you pick up your phone it'll stop charging. If I'd want my phone charging in a fixed position I'd get a dock.
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You do realise you dont have to use the wireless charging if you dont want to, its a cool feature to have, wires can be messy, this is a lot neater.
actually, having the Palm wireless charging dock or the Sony Ericsson LiveDock is the samething... the only difference is that the Palm one doesnt connect direct to the phone, but the sony one does connect to the microusb port. except that, the amount of cables is pretty much the same, the situation where u can use your phone without stop charging is the same, blablablablabla
I just copy this comment from youtube:
Y0UTU8E2012:
Not really wireless if you have to put it on top of that block. I would rather use the wire to charge so I could still use the phone in my hand while it was charging. If it would charge within a 5ft radius, that would be wireless.
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I just copy this comment from youtube:
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That is so true!
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actually, having the Palm wireless charging dock or the Sony Ericsson LiveDock is the samething.
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Both the Palm wireless charging dock and the Sony Ericsson LiveDock charge a single device. The Sony Ericsson LiveDock is an expensive powered USB port with a unique identifier for LiveWare integration.
I would rather use the wire to charge so I could still use the phone in my hand while it was charging.
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I'd do the same as you if I wanted to keep my phone charging, this is a WIP, I'm a shaky hand at the best of times so won't be soldering onto the USB port until I'm 99% sure it's going to work. Seeing the Xperia Arc and Galaxy Note II on the frontpage today is boosting my confidence. Proof of concept is an external case connected via the micro USB port, once that's working then I'll toss up doing the internal mod.
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You do realise you dont have to use the wireless charging if you dont want to, its a cool feature to have, wires can be messy, this is a lot neater.
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I know I don't have to. I just stated that this feature is absolutely unnecessary because docks are identical, just not 'as cool'.
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Received two receivers from U-Way last week, waiting on 3-unit charging pad to arrive.
On my HD2 you can use a charging wafer in between the battery and the back-door to connect to 2-pins intended for a dedicated car charging cover, our Sola does not have this capability so connecting via the micro-USB port externally is my first point of business.
The receivers I've received include their own power management module so it 'may' be possible to connect directly to the battery. I'll test this on a replacement battery after phase I.
Here's the plan:
Phase I - Difficulty: Easy | Danger: None
Connect charging coil to micro-USB via modified male micro-USB connection (coil and charging module are attached to case, micro-USB cable is soldered to charging module, no mod to phone)
Phase II - Difficulty: Medium | Danger: Medium
Connect coil to internal micro-USB (drop the charging module and connect charging coil directly to phone, phone's hardware manages the voltage and cuts it off as if a USB cable is plugged in, requires pulling the phone apart though... *brick*)
Phase III - Difficulty: Medium | Danger: High
Connect directly to internal battery via charging module (charging module manages the voltage, requires modified back cover and/or modified case, requires pulling the phone apart... *brick*).
I'll add photos of the gear shortly.
Hey guys,
I think we don't have to wait Sony for wireless charging.
http://powermat.com/solutions/wicc/
if I understand, the card use NFC to convert energy oO

[Q] Phone docking and the argument of convergence. Who has a dock, huh?

The Ubuntu Touch OS is a pretty big topic as of late, and I'm really hyped to see it come along... but I have to say, I'm shocked by the lack of docks for a lot of devices lately.
Why do I say this? Well, I suppose it's less relevant to UbTouch, but it's pretty important and worth mentioning. More and more, these modern devices are coming out, offering crazy specs like Quad-HD displays and quad-core processors, but it's given a hardcore hardware limitation, usually defined by the USB port with the MHL/OTG nature. I don't know enough docks where a phone does it, but I know Samsung has that on lock. You look at their products, their USB port is designed well, able to plug into a dock that has an HDMI port, a micro-USB cable for syncing/charging/powering the dock, and a USB host port, for keyboards, mice, etc.
Samsung's devices, from a functional standpoint, seem perfect for UbTouch's offering of the convergence with the desktop functionality, but their specs don't fit it. The specs are catered to a simpler crowd, as Samsung's done for a while. The company's that DO offer the specs for it have skimped on things, or at least, they've not bothered to mention that they can do simultaneous display output with USB host functionality, because we haven't seen docks that have such things.
A few years ago, backing to the HTC Evo 3D and 4G LTE, that device offered a dock, or KiDiGi at least, with an HDMI output and a microUSB for powering the dock and charging. Custom ROMs make it possible to use USB host, amazingly, but I need to wonder where we are that we aren't seeing docks more.
I believe I can guess the answer: Miracast. That's right. The screen casting feature. They don't look to HDMI and docks with it because of the fact that, with a small plug-and-forget dongle or the like, you can just wirelessly cast your screen. You don't need a keyboard and mouse, no bluetooth and junk. You sync it, you send it, you use it, and that's that.
Because of this, and the fact that only Canonical, and the companies behind them, believe in this convergence right now, I can't say it's a surprise that no one's trying to bring on this expanded environment through their phones, with a dock that, having it set up, allows that convergence.
Maybe I'm missing something. Who's got a device and dock, and who's experimented with Ubuntu Touch, assuming it was ever part of the choice for your device? And is it a Samsung?
I've been using Ubuntu on my Nexus 4 since February. While you are right that there currently aren't too many devices which have pins for a dock, it would not bring any benefits to the Ubuntu Touch experience if there were, as Ubuntu hasn't reached convergence yet. Moreover, the work on Unity 8 for the desktop hasn't even started yet (besides their initial creation of a version of Ubuntu which runs Unity 8 and Mir but looks like the phone/tablet version). The work to create a desktop UI for Unity 8 will start after the release of 14.10. Let's see when we will get full convergence.
(What is, however, already converged are apps. You can already install the Ubuntu core apps on your Ubuntu desktop.)
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I have no dock, but I still use an S3 i9300, will be upgrading to an Xperia Z3 sometime this year, but I don't' think the Sony dock is anymore than a charging stand, which seems to be an utter waste to me.
Docks are mostly useless for current phones. With Ubuntu we hope to change that.
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A 'dock' is as simple as a usb cable while charging or even a link though bluetooth/wifi.
Personally I am looking forward to linux based ability on a phone.

Sony OEM charger AN430

As happy owner of Xperia Premium XZ I can't find the reason why Sony geniune AN430 car cigarette lighter USB charger is not being sold in United States neither Canada?
Anyone has a clue?
Sony US website shows this adapter as accessory for this phone but since Sony store has been dismantled there is no way to get it through Sony anymore. Amazon and eBay and Google 3rd parties search returns zero results. There is one shady company there which has been reported to deliver something that looks like OEM but it may not be.
I had to import one from UK, that is ridiculous.
I know, I could get $2 equivalent from different brand. But the question is not about replacement. It is why OEM product advertised by Sony on US website is not sold in North America ? Possible patent infringement? FCC stands in the way? Why?
Probably not worth it for them. Aside from you, who is going to pay a premium for a Sony-branded charger instead of a less expensive (and probably better) one from Belkin, Anker, Aukey, etc., or even the one that is already in their car? Unlike Apple and their proprietary connector, USB is already everywhere. Most people can use the same charger they used for their last (and next) few phones. Sony barely bothers to sell their phones in the US, so I'm not surprised at all that they don't bother with selling half a dozen car chargers.
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Probably not worth it for them. Aside from you, who is going to pay a premium for a Sony-branded charger instead of a less expensive (and probably better) one from Belkin, Anker, Aukey, etc., or even the one that is already in their car? Unlike Apple and their proprietary connector, USB is already everywhere. Most people can use the same charger they used for their last (and next) few phones. Sony barely bothers to sell their phones in the US, so I'm not surprised at all that they don't bother with selling half a dozen car chargers.
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You use the term USB as if there is only one type, what other previous phones would people have had that use USB C? It's actually quite annoying that they don't sell their chargers in US or CA because you have to use their proprietary Sony cable to connect to a PC. I'm sure there are others from US or CA with computers that have USB C ports and would like to purchase the proprietary Sony USB C to USB C cable.
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You use the term USB as if there is only one type, what other previous phones would people have had that use USB C? It's actually quite annoying that they don't sell their chargers in US or CA because you have to use their proprietary Sony cable to connect to a PC. I'm sure there are others from US or CA with computers that have USB C ports and would like to purchase the proprietary Sony USB C to USB C cable.
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3 of my 4 previous phones had USB C, so they are not uncommon at all. Also, I've used a few different, non-Sony cables to connect with my PC, so I don't know what you're talking about there.
Heinous said:
3 of my 4 previous phones had USB C, so they are not uncommon at all. Also, I've used a few different, non-Sony cables to connect with my PC, so I don't know what you're talking about there.
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What do you replace your phone every month? The average persons last phone 9/10 times would not be using a USB C cable already.
Nexus 6p, Note7, Galaxy S7, Xperia XZ, and now XZ Premium. I usually try to get a year out of each one. The Note7 screwed up that plan, but I would still be on my third USB C phone even if the Note7 hadn't been recalled. The Nexus 6p came out over two years ago.
Anyway, it doesn't matter. There are tons of inexpensive chargers available, and almost no phone sales (relative to other countries) in the US for Sony. I'm just explaining why, not saying it's a good or excusing it.
Ya I am just saying the average consumer is probably not upgrading their phone that often, average is probably still every two years and the majority of the average consumer phones still use micro USB most likely.
I agree with the charger aspect, but I still think there are plenty of people who would purchase the proprietary Sony USB C to USB C cable to use with their computer. As far as the US goes, everyone here seems to think Apple & Samsung are the only companies making phones, and I feel the majority of consumers for smartphones here are not very knowledgeable about them compared to some other countries.

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