What exactly are the benefits of gaining s-off ??
I am confused...i have a gsm evo 3d and some tutorials are of s-off and others s-on ?
What will be the best... i am a newbie at this !
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With S-OFF you can flash PG86IMG.zip files from SD card in bootloader (ICS firmware, radio...), also you don't have to always flash boot.img via fastboot after flashing of new ROM.
Forgot I something?
Benik3 said:
With S-OFF you can flash PG86IMG.zip files from SD card in bootloader (ICS firmware, radio...), also you don't have to always flash boot.img via fastboot after flashing of new ROM.
Forgot I something?
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To add to this, s-on seems to not play well with ics. Most of the issues people have with ics not working right or bootlooping come from s-on users. I highly recommend s-off if possible.
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invince2 said:
What exactly are the benefits of gaining s-off ??
I am confused...i have a gsm evo 3d and some tutorials are of s-off and others s-on ?
What will be the best... i am a newbie at this !
Click Thanks if i helped !!
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Yeah, you should definitely go with the tutorials for S-OFF if you are flashing new Roms, and expertimenting with your phone. For the most ICS roms, you have to flash new firmware packages (PG86IMG.zip), and you can do this if you are S-OFF.
It means if i have s-on i can't flash every rom but if i gain s-off it allows full compatibilty?
Am i right ?
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Benik3 said:
With S-OFF you can flash PG86IMG.zip files from SD card in bootloader (ICS firmware, radio...), also you don't have to always flash boot.img via fastboot after flashing of new ROM.
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Where exactly did u find the tutorial for s-off?
invince2 said:
It means if i have s-on i can't flash every rom but if i gain s-off it allows full compatibilty?
Am i right ?
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Absolutely correct. Not just compatibility with roms, but with every e3d addon.
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invince2 said:
Where exactly did u find the tutorial for s-off?
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Since you are GSM, look at the stickies in the GSM developmental forums.
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I would say go with S-off. I had S-on and it took so much work to get new roms and it was just a pain in the butt. I am now running revolutionary S-off and am using 4ext recovery so i can easily put on new roms in just a few mins. I hope i helped.
Ah crap i just reported this thread for posting warez by goddamn mistake!
My bad
Keeping on topic: I'd say definitely S-off and there is loads of threads on how to do it. Just have a read through them all and try it out, ask for help if you need it and someone is bound to help
taylor308 said:
I would say go with S-off. I had S-on and it took so much work to get new roms and it was just a pain in the butt. I am now running revolutionary S-off and am using 4ext recovery so i can easily put on new roms in just a few mins. I hope i helped.
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But 4ext recovery is available on s-on !
S off makes it easier to flash roms along with any kernel . Best route to go.
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I have two EVO 3d's one is s-on and the other is s-off, both running 4ext touch recovery and both have the same experiance and the same battery life, no extra steps needed to flash roms or kernels..only thing is that only signed packages can be flashed through the bootloader, other than that...no difference.
S off is a life saver. It just is. No matter what HTC does if a dev can get s off for my device. I'm doing it.
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My Legend has upgraded to 3.15.405.3（via RUU）
Now the HBOOT version is 1.01.0000
How to downgrade the HBOOT to the early version？
THX
meizuyujiaqi said:
My Legend has upgraded to 3.15.405.3（via RUU）
Now the HBOOT version is 1.01.0000
How to downgrade the HBOOT to the early version？
THX
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Not sure if you can downgrade the HBOOT but I dont see why you would need to. If it is because you need root follow these guides. Even if you already have a working goldcard make it again mine was working for other phones but wouldnt work for this.
Part 1
Part 2
Once you have finished them you should have HBOOT 1.01 with Android 2.1 full root with clockworkmod so you can flash any rom you would like.
thanks a lot
I get the way to root,I only want to know how to downgrade the HBOOT
English is not my mother tongue,so my English is not so good
pardon
For now no way to downgrade HBOOT 1.01 to HBOOT 1.00 or 0.43 .....
We wait for a solution ....
i4o said:
For now no way to downgrade HBOOT 1.01 to HBOOT 1.00 or 0.43 .....
We wait for a solution ....
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THX
wait for a solution…
Why do you want to downgrade it???
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BlaY0 said:
Why do you want to downgrade it???
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For kicks.
BlaY0 said:
Why do you want to downgrade it???
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Now we have a "BECOUSE"...
AlphaRev has made S-OFF for our legends here.
alpharev . nl (without spaces)
But this is only possible with hboot 0.43
We will wait...
S-OFF is only really useful for real devs, not leaches like the rest of us.
S-OFF is good for anyone who wants to change things in system..no more signing zips
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Dr.Romca said:
S-OFF is good for anyone who wants to change things in system..no more signing zips
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And system overlay didn't help with that because?
Dr.Romca said:
S-OFF is good for anyone who wants to change things in system..no more signing zips
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Seems you don't need to sign zips for flashing with ROM Manager. Works for me anyway.
I don't have much need for S-OFF myself -- the only thing I can think of is that it should let adfree android work right after flashing CM. Saves me the extra reboot to flash my symlink-etc-hosts.zip..
oysteivi said:
Seems you don't need to sign zips for flashing with ROM Manager. Works for me anyway.
I don't have much need for S-OFF myself -- the only thing I can think of is that it should let adfree android work right after flashing CM. Saves me the extra reboot to flash my symlink-etc-hosts.zip..
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?? You could merge it into one zip. You could flash both at the same time (fakeflash)
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And system overlay didn't help with that because?
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Because I didn't install it I was waiting for the S-OFF, now I'm glad I didn't have to upgrade my HBOOT
oysteivi said:
Seems you don't need to sign zips for flashing with ROM Manager. Works for me anyway.
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Wow, now it worked....thanks for the tip
EDIT: but the thig that you actually reboot your device in recovery is annoying
sorry guys, I would like to install modaco rom
I have read that Clockwork recovery is required, I have a legend with Hboot 1.01
what Can I do?
thanks
monkeydrufy said:
sorry guys, I would like to install modaco rom
I have read that Clockwork recovery is required, I have a legend with Hboot 1.01
what Can I do?
thanks
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For the 15 billionth time, fakeflash.
TheGrammarFreak said:
?? You could merge it into one zip. You could flash both at the same time (fakeflash)
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Yeah, I know, I know. It's just me being lazy end letting ROM Manager do everything for me. Download through ROM Manager and then flash both zips from recovery might be the most convenient.
(..or just S-OFF, which I plan to do when I get back from vacation )
waiting and waiting. We should be pacient.
I don't even own a Legend, but I've lurked around the Desire, Desire Z and G2 forums - and I own a Nexus One.
I've noticed that procedures for downgrading the HBOOT on these devices seem to involve making a modification to the misc partition, which then fools the phone into accepting a RUU/PASSIMG/etc that downgrades HBOOT.
I see here a procedure that downgrades from the Froyo OTA using a similar idea:
http://android.modaco.com/content/htc-legend-legend-modaco-com/323201/downgrading-from-froyo-ota/
But the resulting HBOOT is still 1.001.
Could this method be adapted to accept a RUU that will roll back the HBOOT even further?
Nope. Current HBOOT (1.x) does not allow to fool itself and this is the main problem. You may play with misc and downgrade rom, but HBOOT remains the same. The only 0.43 version of HBOOT allows downgrading.
Hello I will be receiving my EVO 3D soon and I'm pretty sure it has an eng hboot and I was wondering if I should leave it as such or should/could I flash it to hboot 1.4? I pretty much want the same rooting abilities I currently have on my EVO 4G I'm not looking to delve into something I know nothing about...Thank you
TheMC1192 said:
Hello I will be receiving my EVO 3D soon and I'm pretty sure it has an eng hboot and I was wondering if I should leave it as such or should/could I flash it to hboot 1.4? I pretty much want the same rooting abilities I currently have on my EVO 4G I'm not looking to delve into something I know nothing about...Thank you
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Understand:
(all are assumed that bootloader are unlocked)
1.4 hboot S-OFF = you can root like we've traditionally have for years and flash any rom
1.5 hboot S-OFF = you can downgrade the hboot to 1.4 and root and flash roms as will or you can keep it and still root and flash roms as will.
1.5 hboot S-ON = you can still root and flash roms as will BUT you just need to flash the kernel (boot.img) first before you switch roms via Flash GUI or fastboot and that's it!
I really don't understand why one extra step bothers people so much? if your hear, you like the hard way, IF you wouldn't then you would stay stock, unrooted and keep living the normal life.....
I'm not worried about doing a little extra leg work trust its just that I was under the impression that you cannot get true s-off on hboot 1.5. But that wasn't my question I wanted to know if it was possible to upgrade the eng hboot to hboot 1.4 and how or point me to a thread that has that explained. Sorry if wasn't clear from the beginning
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How do u know if u r s off or on? I know I'm 1.5
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@enko420:
It's easy to find out just have to go into your bootloader by holding power+vol down when screen is off and it will say at the top of the bootloader screen
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TheMC1192 said:
@enko420:
It's easy to find out just have to go into your bootloader by holding power+vol down when screen is off and it will say at the top of the bootloader screen
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Thanks a lot bud, not to figure out how to flash roms since I am S-ON. or maybe find a path to get S-OFF on the 1.50
go into bootloader and it should say
enko420 said:
Thanks a lot bud, not to figure out how to flash roms since I am S-ON. or maybe find a path to get S-OFF on the 1.50
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There is no soff currently for hboot 1.5. But its real easy if you don't want to use a computer. Just use joeykrim app called flash image gui from the market. There is even a free version on xda. Use that to flash a kernel. Then boot into your recovery and flash the rom. Definitely easy. The only thing hboot locks to my understanding would be radio. Well kernel too but thats an easy workaround with the app.
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enko420 said:
Thanks a lot bud, not to figure out how to flash roms since I am S-ON. or maybe find a path to get S-OFF on the 1.50
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I have a guide/flashing notes in my signature that may clear some things up for you.
mpgrimm2 said:
I have a guide/flashing notes in my signature that may clear some things up for you.
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Thanks for your help and your guide, much easier than I thought
I have Hboot 1.15, Fresh EVO OS. And used the Regaw Autoroot following the OTA Update. I heard you can do this using fastboot or HTCdev, but I'm not sure how to do this... And could not find any answers (My concern is that the new FRESH updates use the new radios, and I updated to it, but can't flash the new radios)
If this has already been answered I apologize, but I couldn't find it.
Thank you for the help!
Dude there's threads all over the forum about this issue. Just spend 2minutes looking and you'll be all set
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You can't update radios if you are s-on hboot 1.15. Your only option to update the radios is to relock and take the ota or install the new ruu. Then unlock again, install twrp, and then install your favorite rom. As many will state, never take the ota because you may loose ability to get s-off in the future. This may be true, but there is no s-off solution for your hboot anyway so you might as well bite the bullet now and live in the present instead of waiting for something that may never happen in the future.
Interesting. All right Thanks for your help. And as for there being threads "all over" I was getting conflicting reports, since I saw on one page where it was possible to flash using HTCdev with S-on, but there was no link or instructions given.
To address ur main concern, there is no need to update your radios. If you want to run a rom that is based off the latest update all u need to do is make sure your kernel matches the kernel in the rom. You can update your kernel with Flash img GUI, found in the app store. Just download the rom u want open flash img GUI select the rom and choose to flash kernel img. Once complete, wipe and flash rom. Njoy!
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eddy0090 said:
To address ur main concern, there is no need to update your radios. If you want to run a rom that is based off the latest update all u need to do is make sure your kernel matches the kernel in the rom. You can update your kernel with Flash img GUI, found in the app store. Just download the rom u want open flash img GUI select the rom and choose to flash kernel img. Once complete, wipe and flash rom. Njoy!
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I would HIGHLY suggest against flash gui if you haven't properly learned to fast boot flash it
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Rxpert said:
I would HIGHLY suggest against flash gui if you haven't properly learned to fast boot flash it
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Then how do i proceed to relock my bootloader if I am 1.5 so i can receive the OTA?
Fastboot OEM lock
This stuff is in my guide, I wish more people would actually read it lol
someoneshero34 said:
Interesting. All right Thanks for your help. And as for there being threads "all over" I was getting conflicting reports, since I saw on one page where it was possible to flash using HTCdev with S-on, but there was no link or instructions given.
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Yup. Sorry about my response. I reread it and it does sound a harsh to me now. Anyways you got the info you need so good luck with your phone and sorry again
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om4 said:
Fastboot OEM lock
This stuff is in my guide, I wish more people would actually read it lol
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LOL - I've never seen you guide before, I will definetly open it print it/ and read it. It is appreciated.:highfive::good:
I'd also suggest against taking the ota, but that's just me.
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S-on hboot 1.12
Ok, so I'm rooted, s-on with hboot 1.12. I was able to do the firmware update and update the radios. I've read like crazy and I'm not seeing anywhere I can update the PRI without s-off. Is this correct? One thread said I can flash anything since I'm hboot 1.12 so I'm confused.
hppowers said:
Ok, so I'm rooted, s-on with hboot 1.12. I was able to do the firmware update and update the radios. I've read like crazy and I'm not seeing anywhere I can update the PRI without s-off. Is this correct? One thread said I can flash anything since I'm hboot 1.12 so I'm confused.
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If you're on hboot 1.12, I suggest using lazypanda to get s-off right away before doing anything else.
"We're coming from a pure power source"
metalfan78 said:
If you're on hboot 1.12, I suggest using lazypanda to get s-off right away before doing anything else.
"We're coming from a pure power source"
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I'm a little bit hesitant to do that since I've read it can go crazy wrong and I'm not as savvy with the phones as the folks on the forums. Do I have to though in order to update my PRI?
I'm not sure, I've been s-off since I got the phone.
"We're coming from a pure power source"
I am S-ON HBoot 1.15. Is it possible to flash HTC Stock recovery, go to stock rooted rom, use OTA root Keeper and take the new OTA?
You don't need OTA root keeper because your going to have to do HTC dev to unlock the device again.
With that being said I wouldnt recommend taking the OTA or running the ruu to update because you'll be on the new hboot
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Not to mention the new base for stock has introduced a few of its own issues that the new firmware/hboot can not fix. Several people have attempted to downgrade thinking its the best alternative and brick their phones in doing so. The new firmware doesn't change much anyway
I have the EVO 3D with the 2.89 RUU installed with HBOOT 1.5858 S-OFF
Is there anyway I can put a JB ROM on my phone?
I've read that JB is not compatible with 1.5858.
Downgrade to the 1.04 ENG Hboot (found in the lens_flare edition miui thread) and you'll be good to go
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Sounds like you already know the answer.
He was probably looking for clarification
hboot downgrade
Well I've also read that I can downgrade my hboot to 1.4, but that I have to brick it to do that. In other forums people talk like downgrading to 1.4 is simple. When I got the 1.58 upgrade it updated all my radio filestoo.. So I'm wondering if those radioh files are stored on the same partition as hboot. If they are I know how to flash my hboot with fastboot flash command so that would be simple.. Any help, pointers or info would be greatly appreciated.
ZWYATT said:
Sounds like you already know the answer.
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hboot 1.04
First thanks again.. Do you know if I can just flash this hboot w/o bricking the phone. A lot of people are saying that the phone needs to be bricked to downgrade.
beneath-a-burning-turtle said:
Downgrade to the 1.04 ENG Hboot (found in the lens_flare edition miui thread) and you'll be good to go
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I see we have someone with common sense here thank you for explaining that!:good:
Jsparta26 said:
He was probably looking for clarification
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frankk1979 said:
First thanks again.. Do you know if I can just flash this hboot w/o bricking the phone. A lot of people are saying that the phone needs to be bricked to downgrade.
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Yes, since youre s-off, all you need to do is find a copy of the hboot ( pg86img.zip) and place it on your sdcard, and boot into the bootloader, the phone does everything else from there on its own
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1817513
You should be able to find all the info you need there.
I thought I would start a thread to help people that sent there DNA out to get JTAG s-off and now are trying to flash a custom Rom.
If anybody want to put there experience on here so people know the steps and the correct way to handle the bootloader.
I think it would be helpful. I am still waiting for mine to come back from mobiletechvideos so it would be helpful for me to.
Thanks to anyone who contributes.
I'm pretty sure this should be in general. Just sayin.
From my S-Off DNA
trickster2369 said:
I'm pretty sure this should be in general. Just sayin.
From my S-Off DNA
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trickster2369 said:
I'm pretty sure this should be in general. Just sayin.
From my S-Off DNA
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Yeah you're right. It's a good thread though. I'm thinking Q&A section would probably be good because of the other stuff in the same section.
It will get moved.
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CharliesTheMan said:
Yeah you're right. It's a good thread though. I'm thinking Q&A section would probably be good because of the other stuff in the same section.
It will get moved.
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I agree, good topic for sure.
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Forum move
Thanks for moving my forum, whoever did. I'm kinda new to the posting in the forums thing...
I should have my DNA back from MobileTech on Thursday. I cant wait but i've seen so many posts of people that got it back and werent sure what to do. Anyways I hope this forum helps out some people.
You've got to unlock and root it, then all the fun begins.
And please take the time to read through these forums, all your questions have been asked and answered. We don't like spoon-feeding people here when the answer is readily available.
orangechoochoo said:
You've got to unlock and root it, then all the fun begins.
And please take the time to read through these forums, all your questions have been asked and answered. We don't like spoon-feeding people here when the answer is readily available.
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The choo choo eats with his hands only!
Please don't touch my "Thanks" button, it doesn't like you...
iOSh8er said:
The choo choo eats with his hands only!
Please don't touch my "Thanks" button, it doesn't like you...
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How did you know I'm part Philippino? Utensils are banned in that country.
s-off dna
The purpose of the forum is to get the right info I've seen conflicting points on whether or not you still need to unlock the bootloader after s-off.
My understanding was that once your s-off you don't need to unlock because it bypasses the bootloader security checks. I am probably wring but I was hoping to get a clarified answer with this forum what do think choochoo
smokeinluke said:
The purpose of the forum is to get the right info I've seen conflicting points on whether or not you still need to unlock the bootloader after s-off.
My understanding was that once your s-off you don't need to unlock because it bypasses the bootloader security checks. I am probably wring but I was hoping to get a clarified answer with this forum what do think choochoo
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You shouldn't have to all you really need to do is flash the ENG Hboot and flash a recovery and then flash a Rom most have root already and your good to go. If you wanna use the stock hboot and only want su permission then you do need to unlock hboot it to be able to flash a recovery and superuser or supersu.
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LakerStar25 said:
You shouldn't have to all you really need to do is flash the ENG Hboot and flash a recovery and then flash a Rom most have root already and your good to go. If you wanna use the stock hboot and only want su permission then you do need to unlock hboot it to be able to flash a recovery and superuser or supersu.
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Thank you for the clarification. That's what I thought but there are people are posting that u need to downgrade via ruu and then use the beups exploit to supercid and then htcdev unlock and I was calling bullswack on that. Lol thanks again
LakerStar25 said:
You shouldn't have to all you really need to do is flash the ENG Hboot and flash a recovery and then flash a Rom most have root already and your good to go. If you wanna use the stock hboot and only want su permission then you do need to unlock hboot it to be able to flash a recovery and superuser or supersu.
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The eng hboot has more functions available so there is a better chance of messing up the phone. Most people stick with the stock hboot since that's good enough for most.
orangechoochoo said:
The eng hboot has more functions available so there is a better chance of messing up the phone. Most people stick with the stock hboot since that's good enough for most.
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I agree with that only if your not familiar with using the ENG Hboot, if you are then it's the better choice.
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LakerStar25 said:
I agree with that only if your not familiar with using the ENG Hboot, if you are then it's the better choice.
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Unless you actually run any of the additional commands included in ENG hboot you will be ok. Much ado about nothing.
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c5satellite2 said:
Unless you actually run any of the additional commands included in ENG hboot you will be ok. Much ado about nothing.
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The biggest issue with eng hboot is if you try to s on your phone with the eng hboot installed you will bard brick your device.
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Bigandrewgold said:
The biggest issue with eng hboot is if you try to s on your phone with the eng hboot installed you will bard brick your device.
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Why would you try to so your device after you have s-offed it
Where do I find the non-eng hboot? I'm paranoid that if I ever need to s-on my phone I'll further I have eng h-boot and brick it so I kind of want to go back.
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LakerStar25 said:
You shouldn't have to all you really need to do is flash the ENG Hboot and flash a recovery and then flash a Rom most have root already and your good to go. If you wanna use the stock hboot and only want su permission then you do need to unlock hboot it to be able to flash a recovery and superuser or supersu.
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Just got my phone back from the JTAG service and this was the exact procedure. Flashed the ENG boot and then flashed recovery. Bootloader still says 'LOCKED' but allowed me to flash.
I've JTAGG'd 18 DNA devices so far on the OTA update (I do this on the downlow due to specific "developer" who can't understand how to get all phones to take the RIFF JTAG flash software.
Flash ENG Hboot if you want the options available to it, though not mandatory. Install a root program (SuperSU is my recommendation), then flash a recovery.
Immediately backup your current setup, then go for any ROM you see fit. Profit.