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I've read a number of general complaints about sense being bloated and unremovable but would like to understand what device resources are unavoidably consumed by it.
If it's just storage space I'm not too concered about that. But taking up RAM with programs/features I don't want is another matter, as is any wasted CPU-cycles it might spend automatically running programs in the background, or intercepting UI events.
I ask this without knowing specifically what in sense is believed to be bloated. Is there a way to see a list of things it runs or could run, and to disable each feature I don't want? Again, I don't mind if the unwanted programs remain in storage, as long as they are never run and thus don't consume RAM/CPU.
When I watch videos of the G2X, it's mind-boggling how fast every aspect of the UI is. What is sense doing that keeps the evo 3d / sensation from achieving the same level of snappiness? I have a hard time believing excessive RAM-usage or CPU even is playing any role in simply scrolling through the tray of apps. So what is it that affects things like simple scrolling speed there?
I'm guessing android has some kind of event handling, where every event is delivered to a list of programs that each decide if they want to do anything with the event or not, and maybe sense has programs registered all over the place to receive all kinds of events. This is wild speculation on my part as I'm not that familiar with how things really work, but when scrolling through apps in the app tray is slow, something besides simple resource consumption must be going on.
Anyway my general questions are: what makes it slow, and can 'it' be removed, whatever 'it' is.
I don't know where u got the idea that the evo 3d us slow..must of been in a gs2 forum..I happen to enjoy sense..and once you root you can
remove any bs..I have an evo 4g and have no lag whatsoever..don't listen to the evo 3d haters..everyone takes shots at the best
Sense is a skin.
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Sense is a skin.
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It's more than a skin. If it was just a skin many things that only work on ASOP would work on Sense too.
donatom3 said:
It's more than a skin. If it was just a skin many things that only work on ASOP would work on Sense too.
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sense has skins...
donatom3 said:
It's more than a skin. If it was just a skin many things that only work on ASOP would work on Sense too.
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Oh right. Sense is a launcher that is stunning.
CM7 comes with ADW WHICH is a launcher that is not sexy.
So pick one.
1.Sexy Sense
2. Ugly betty.
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novanosis85 said:
Oh right. Sense is a launcher that is stunning.
CM7 comes with ADW WHICH is a launcher that is not sexy.
So pick one.
1.Sexy Sense
2. Ugly betty.
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Adw is highly customizable. How can you say it's ugly? SMH
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Ugly betty lol..I've always use sense Roms but after hearing about cm7 being so great o gave it a shot..I didn't like it at all and I didn't notice a.speed increase comings from kings unleashed..I thought it was plain..maybe I just didn't put enough time.into figuring it out...but I do enjoy sense UI..even if it is a large file
novanosis85 said:
Oh right. Sense is a launcher that is stunning.
CM7 comes with ADW WHICH is a launcher that is not sexy.
So pick one.
1.Sexy Sense
2. Ugly betty.
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You do know the bluetooth stack in sense doesn't let you use things like wiimote, or bluetooth mouse? Those are some of the things I was referring to. Sense is more than a launcher and skin. It is a UI framework that does affect some core Android functions.
EDIT: BTW I never meant to start a war of Sense vs ASOP, I was just pointing out the misinformation that Sense is a skin, when it's more than skin deep.
firmbiz94 said:
Ugly betty lol..I've always use sense Roms but after hearing about cm7 being so great o gave it a shot..I didn't like it at all and I didn't notice a.speed increase comings from kings unleashed..I thought it was plain..maybe I just didn't put enough time.into figuring it out...but I do enjoy sense UI..even if it is a large file
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Me too, always thought CM was over rated, I mean no disrespect, but Sense UI is hands down the best for Android.
Vanilla / stock Android feels like its still on 1.5 release. The dialer and contacts and e-mail all feel lacking something.
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Maybe I've been Sense-less for too long, but I definitely prefer CM. At first I felt it wasn't as good either, but once you play with it more its sooo much better imo
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nosfanatic2006 said:
Maybe I've been Sense-less for too long, but I definitely prefer CM. At first I felt it wasn't as good either, but once you play with it more its sooo much better imo
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+1 totally agree, once I got into really core customization of my EVO, I saw what Sense was lacking. Don't get me wrong Sense is nice for eye candy, but CM is easier to work with for deeper customization. Once again it all comes down to personal preference. Although I'm looking forward to playing with the new Sense 3.0 lockscreen.
Stability>customization
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So since ics has basically almost everything sense has. I wonder what htc will add to sense. What do you guys think? They might have to come out with something really new , like a new feature to make people want to buy a phone with ics sense. I love sense so maybe the collaboration will be awesome! For the people waiting for an official update it might be awhile till they cook sense into it. But we'll see what happens.
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I just hope to God HTC doesn't plaster their hideous outdated looking theme all over ICS. PLEASE stick to the stock ICS look.
I want to see a mix of both (Sense fanboy) but I want to see more theme's from HTC via HTC Hub.
I like the Music Sense Theme but they need others, none of the themes from Sense 2.1 are available on 3.x. :/ I was digging the wood theme.
What I want to see a new Sense 4.x/ICS combo:
Integrate Foursquare & Google+ API into FriendStream
Add more cloud/network features to HTCSense.com (Think MIQ/Dashwire)
Sense Updater/Rollback/Remove options
Voice Changer (Tiny (chipmunk) to Deep (Vader)) Kinda like on the PS3.
Font Changer
Deeper weather options
Better HDMI out options
More connected Media features
NFC SD card support
More HTC Hub content
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Noiro said:
I want to see a mix of both (Sense fanboy) but I want to see more theme's from HTC via HTC Hub.
I like the Music Sense Theme but they need others, none of the themes from Sense 2.1 are available on 3.x. :/ I was digging the wood theme.
What I want to see a new Sense 4.x/ICS combo:
Integrate Foursquare & Google+ API into FriendStream
Add more cloud/network features to HTCSense.com (Think MIQ/Dashwire)
Sense Updater/Rollback/Remove options
Voice Changer (Tiny (chipmunk) to Deep (Vader)) Kinda like on the PS3.
Font Changer
Deeper weather options yes.
Better HDMI out options
More connected Media features
NFC SD card support
More HTC Hub content
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You have some good ideas. Mostly sounds like you enjoy the widgets which is what i think everyone can agree on. As far as launcher and look go. I like the way ics is outta the box.
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I just hope to God HTC doesn't plaster their hideous outdated looking theme all over ICS. PLEASE stick to the stock ICS look.
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LOL, best not bet any money on that one. Sense will be Sense, I predict. I am hoping HTC can bring themselves to at least keep ICS's configurable dock, though.
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I just hope to God HTC doesn't plaster their hideous outdated looking theme all over ICS. PLEASE stick to the stock ICS look.
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Yes the green version looks awsome
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I just hope to God HTC doesn't plaster their hideous outdated looking theme all over ICS. PLEASE stick to the stock ICS look.
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Now, come on. You know it will have sense. Likely 3.0, it does not seem like they make a habit of updating sense in a phone that has been out.
The EVO Shift had just that when it was upgraded to Gingerbread.
From Froyo with Sense 1.x to Gingerbread with Sense 2.1.
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freeza said:
I just hope to God HTC doesn't plaster their hideous outdated looking theme all over ICS. PLEASE stick to the stock ICS look.
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It's absolutely going to be Sense. There is no doubt about that, regardless of our opinions on Sense (and I happen to disagree with you) HTC won't let go of one of the biggest end-user differentiation that their handsets across the range carry (excluding the Nexus One, of course)
Theres gonna be so much Sense that its not funny.
Temari x Shikamaru
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/1...-ultra-thin-ice-cream-sandwich-and-sense-4-0/
Lulz
I wouldn't mind skins being available but I think they'll use most of ics with sense colors.
Via My HTC Evo 3D On The Now Network From Sprint.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/1...-ultra-thin-ice-cream-sandwich-and-sense-4-0/
Lulz
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Man I'm gonna miss the buttons. Would think that if they ditch the buttons that they would extend the screen down over where they would be so we don't lose any actual useable screen space compared to what we have now....
What's funny is the one you linked to which has dual core shows no buttons but the quad core one has em....
http://m.bgr.com/2011/11/09/htc-edge-may-launch-in-march-or-april-featuring-android-4-0-tegra-3/
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This no button technology is paving the way to a more advanced society. Now can we get some teleporters and ditch vehicles?
Temari x Shikamaru
Buttons are so last year.
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Buttons are so last year.
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+1
Less drivers and hardware configs to worry about.
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That's what cm 8 is for....my thought. I like sense...but it's getting to damn bloated.
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That's what cm 8 is for....my thought. I like sense...but it's getting to damn bloated.
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Its cm9. Cm8 would have been honeycomb.
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Seriously guys??
by the time HTC gets around to releasing ics with sense, we will have already had a fully functioning port of ICS for quit a while. Not the other way around. You dont have to wait for the sense version.
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It's absolutely going to be Sense. There is no doubt about that, regardless of our opinions on Sense (and I happen to disagree with you) HTC won't let go of one of the biggest end-user differentiation that their handsets across the range carry (excluding the Nexus One, of course)
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I don't think he was sauntered he hopes it doesn't have sense, but rather that he hoes it's not the same old sense theme and look that we're accustomed to
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I saw on Twitter today that Sense 4.0 leaked out. Is that what Htc is putting in the official Rezound ICS build?
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Yes the official ICS Build is supposed to have Sense 4.0
Whose twitter did you see this in?
Wait a second. So your saying that HTC Rezound will be jumping from sense 3.5 GB to sense 4.0 ICS. The sense 3.6 ICS leak we have know is not going to be part of the Rezound.
It was either phonearena or phonescoop..
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/HTC-...p-notch-email-and-Dropbox-integration_id26334
on phonearena...
HTC Sense 4.0 leaks out: simplified, better typography, top-notch email and Dropbox integration - http://www.phonearena.com/news/HTC-...p-notch-email-and-Dropbox-integration_id26334
mrbracht beat me to it. LOL. nevermind
HI
ive summed up all the new features of the new Sense 4.0... just follow the link at my signature.
have a great day!
This looks amazing, I'm looking forward to trying it out.
Just keep the stoopid locked Google bars off the top of each page and massive navigation buttons off the bottom. I know this stuff can be avoided via root but I want to decide when to do it.
The gnex reminded me in a way of Starcraft 1. Half the screen was UI....way too much wasted space.
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hadsus said:
Just keep the stoopid locked Google bars off the top of each page and massive navigation buttons off the bottom. I know this stuff can be avoided via root but I want to decide when to do it.
The gnex reminded me in a way of Starcraft 1. Half the screen was UI....way too much wasted space.
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The Rezound won't get those on screen buttons because it already has the red touch buttons on the bottom.
The article posted also said HTC is not using the on screen buttons.
For the amount of bloat sense puts on the phone I have always liked it. But I do love the UI of the Nexus. I would love to see the new sense use UI similar to that.
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I do love the UI of the Nexus. I would love to see the new sense use UI similar to that.
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You and me both but it'll never happen, the Sense UI as we know it is a huge selling point I'm sure for the more inexperienced users.
I also read tho that Google is requiring manufacturers to keep the default ics GUI if they do skins. So we might have an option to disable sense and use aosp.
I don't remember the link off hand, lemme dig it up.
Edit: straight from Google:
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2012/01/holo-everywhere.html?m=1
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I also read tho that Google is requiring manufacturers to keep the default ics GUI if they do skins. So we might have an option to disable sense and use aosp.
I don't remember the link off hand, lemme dig it up.
Edit: straight from Google:
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2012/01/holo-everywhere.html?m=1
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I've heard this but I doubt we'll ever get an option to turn off sense although it would be so easy, these OEM skins are their pride and joys.
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I've heard this but I doubt we'll ever get an option to turn off sense although it would be so easy, these OEM skins are their pride and joys.
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And the exact reason I wanted to gnex to be a good phone. I prefer vanilla android. Sense is nice, but I have grown a taste for vanilla.
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With all the great devs here, I'm sure we'll have this soon enough!! Check it!
New location. Grab it while it's hot!
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-ville-caught-on-video-with-sense-4-0-31211379/
http://m.androidcentral.com/htc-ville-caught-video#comment-368166
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Urgh, they just couldn't get rid of it, could they?
Gross. AOSP, please.
Still choppy crap.
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Urgh, they just couldn't get rid of it, could they?
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Myn's Warm clock mod anybody?? Gotta have the clock and weather widge!!
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Yeah not digging it myself
I'm living on a yellow submarine
Damn looks nice. Can't wait for that, and I wonder what the final will look like, with 4.0.3. And just ignore all these guys, ruining the fun of our HTC sense phone.
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Wow what's with all the sense haters
doesn't look that much different than Sense 3.5 on ICS that we already have - just some different menu transitions
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Damn looks nice. Can't wait for that, and I wonder what the final will look like, with 4.0.3. And just ignore all these guys, ruining the fun of our HTC sense phone.
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No bother. This vid made my morning!
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Video set to private
Sorry if I just came out of nowhere to the Rezound forums but I got out of my Sprint Evo3D contract of 3 months to come to Verizon and the Rezound. Just incase you all wonder "who the heck is this guy"
Yeah guys they took down the video..sucks...
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Come on, you really think a video like this would leak without people making backups first?
http://www.slashgear.com/htc-ville-caught-on-video-with-sense-4-0-31211379/
After watching this... HTC did too much with Sense. They're just overdoing it now. Give me a slice of AOSP and we're good here.
It's also still up on Droidforums.net .. at least I just watched it there a few minutes ago.
I think it looks good personally, but I am coming from the OG droid so Sense is basically like a theme to me and I haven't noticed any lag compared to the slowness of my droid so its all good.
They just took it down at Droidforums.net as well
Get a htc phone and hate on sense...makes a lot of sense..
I used to love sense, but using ics launcher and stuff, sense 4.0 looks bloated and ugly...
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Get a htc phone and hate on sense...makes a lot of sense..
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LOL, that always cracks me up....
WTF are people *****ing about?? I like Sense & the widgets myself, but if you don't like it instead of *****ing about it why not just run LPP+ or ADWLauncher EX etc. since all the launchers run great on the Rezound.
There are plenty of Senseless ROM options available also if you really hate it......
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LOL, that always cracks me up....
WTF are people *****ing about?? I like Sense & the widgets myself, but if you don't like it instead of *****ing about it why not just run LPP+ or ADWLauncher EX etc. since all the launchers run great on the Rezound.
There are plenty of Senseless ROM options available also if you really hate it......
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I must agree! A lot of Sense bashing in a Sense forum.... I always have loved Sense! I've tried them all... Still the best.
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I must agree! A lot of Sense bashing in a Sense forum.... I always have loved Sense! I've tried them all... Still the best.
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LOL, since when was this a Sense forum? Anyway, Sense 4.0 looks a lot like 3.6 but with custom transitions and things filling in the obvious gaps from Sense 3.6. Still not worth the CPU/memory hit in my opinion but to each their own.
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LOL, since when was this a Sense forum? Anyway, Sense 4.0 looks a lot like 3.6 but with custom transitions and things filling in the obvious gaps from Sense 3.6. Still not worth the CPU/memory hit in my opinion but to each their own.
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Uhh since when??
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MrSmith317 said:
LOL, since when was this a Sense forum? Anyway, Sense 4.0 looks a lot like 3.6 but with custom transitions and things filling in the obvious gaps from Sense 3.6. Still not worth the CPU/memory hit in my opinion but to each their own.
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It's a sense thread. The topic is Sense 4.0
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What's the Difference between the two? I jumped straight to 4.0 so I never really experienced if there's much of a change. Can someone give me a brief list?
Thanx...
1. The whole look/theme of ui. Sense 3.6 is basically sense 3.5 and ics mixed together. Sense 4.0 is completely based on itself, nothing else looks like sense 4.0.
2. Features. It has more features than sense 3.6. Like landscape homescreen.
3. Animations.
4. Camera.
5. What devices its for.
Besides that, both are pretty much the same.
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transparent status bar (turns normal when you're on another app)
beats and all sound enchanter effect on third party apps (srs rules...)
music lock screen funtional with third party apps (like mort player)
I really like the app drawer, the navigation bar and the settings menu from sense 4 (alot more than sense 3.0-3.5-3.6)
the UI is more light, I think you can notice it with the boot time, and this has have other benefits and......... the scrolling is a little bit diferent is better on sense3.6 but it's strange I really prefer sense4 it's just diferent, wtf jaja
since sense3.6 doesn't give a new feeling, sense4 does, it's give a good feeling of a new phone (well at least a different one)
srrybadenglish
sense 4.0 is a million times more responsive and it has much less lag.
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What's the Difference between the two? I jumped straight to 4.0 so I never really experienced if there's much of a change. Can someone give me a brief list?
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Since you are in the Evo3d Q&A thread, I will add that since Sense 3.6 ROMs are based on the VM Leak (well, most of them), everything on the 3d works. With Sense 4.0 ROMs, usually 4g (WiMax) and the 3d features do not work.
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sense 4.0 is a million times more responsive and it has much less lag.
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Unless you compare it to MR GB
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Unless you compare it to MR GB
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Yes, but we aren't talking about gingerbread, we are talking about sense 3.6 vs 4.0 which is, to my knowledge, is only on ics.
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Which Rom would you guys suggest, for a daily? Choosing from 3.6 or 4.0 based on most stable, and based on most responsive?
Thanx in Advance...
Speaking of Sense 4.0, does anyone have a recommendation for a rom that has it that will work on the Virgin Mobile EVO V? Don't really care about the 3D camera, even though it's a nice feature, but MMS is important to have working.
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Which Rom would you guys suggest, for a daily? Choosing from 3.6 or 4.0 based on most stable, and based on most responsive?
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Assuming Cdma, I like the ones in my signature. Nocturnal ICS is also great. They are all sense 3.6 which I prefer since everything works.
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Virus rom: shooter_signed_060412_212055.zip look for it in virus's forums
I think is the most recently updated sense 4 rom
I think my first post on this site haha. Anyways 4.0 just looks and feels different. not by much but its noticeable. The main feature i love is that adding stuff to the home screens is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much easier and faster. Thats what sold me to 4.0. I do love sense 4 over anything else but until they get working 4g (wimax) i will NOT use any sense 4 roms. I really hope Joel fixes this in the net update...
sense 4 is like a Porsche and sense 3.6 is like a Jette... Jettas are nice cars but Porsches are a hell of alot nicer... faster... more beautiful... more features (imo)
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Which Rom would you guys suggest, for a daily? Choosing from 3.6 or 4.0 based on most stable, and based on most responsive?
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Mikvirgin for 3.6 and Newts for 4.0
Those are my favorites anyways.
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Jimi Early said:
sense 4 is like a Porsche and sense 3.6 is like a Jette... Jettas are nice cars but Porsches are a hell of alot nicer... faster... more beautiful... more features (imo)
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Jetta? you mean subaru because they both use boxer motors
In theory will the 3d cam ever work on sense 4? Is this a case of porting the 3d bits into the framework for 4.0?
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In theory will the 3d cam ever work on sense 4? Is this a case of porting the 3d bits into the framework for 4.0?
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I think the issue is that HTC has not released the source code for the camera driver, so the devs trying to fix it are trying to write their own.
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Wondered the same too, Thanks.