Coming from the DX, the benefits of rooting (even with it locked down) were WIFI tethering, screenshots, and overall just being able to customize the phone more with themes, colors, etc.
From what I can tell, the Wifi tethering app just can't hang with the native MobileHotSpot tethering option provided by the phone, in which case, it becomes less of a benefit.
I can see why people don't like Sense but it doesn't bother me one bit so that really isn't a factor. Just wondering what other features (or lack thereof) are pushing people one way or the other.
well i supposed it's up to you if you like to tinker or not. so far i am using the das bamf rom and really like it. for one, all the vzw bloat is gone, and there are a number of nice little features such as the battery charging icon, 5 icon wide app drawer, transparent app drawer/notifications.
root enables programs such as set cpu to control the cpu speed. for instance, i have the cpu slow way down when the screen is off saving battery.
if you are happy with your phone the way it is, leave it. if you like to play around, try new things, and have a better phone than the manufacturer came out with, root it. there is practically no danger and you can also go back to stock.
I just rooted because I hate all the bull**** bloatware. Also like to customize
The ability to remove the Verizon software off the phone (VVM, VZ Navigation, VZW Backup, etc) and the ability to change the DPI to something more usable (i.e., less big).
Those are my reasons...
Titanium Backup... Removal of bloatware... Those two things, even if you plan on keeping stock rom, is enough reason to root, in my opinion.
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Removal of trailware games I will never play. and get rid of CityID and verizon apps, that is my biggest complaint
magneticzero said:
Removal of trailware games I will never play. and get rid of CityID and verizon apps, that is my biggest complaint
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Are you referring to having to scroll through them when in the apps folder or actually feeling a performance difference by removing them? If it's scrolling past them, that doesn't much bother me..
Now that the kernel source is out, I'll definitely be rooting. Battery life is a top priority so undervolting is a big factor for me if nothing else.
DNak206 said:
Are you referring to having to scroll through them when in the apps folder or actually feeling a performance difference by removing them? If it's scrolling past them, that doesn't much bother me..
Now that the kernel source is out, I'll definitely be rooting. Battery life is a top priority so undervolting is a big factor for me if nothing else.
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who needs vz backup assistant when google does it for free? i guess some people can live with trialware taking up useless space but cityid is just awful. I use to get nag screens on my incredible. There is an option to remove it if you cancel the trail peroid, but it is still there taking up memory
My reasons that I rooted:
1. Get rid of bloatware
2. Get rid of bloatware
3. Customization options
4. *FULL* backups of my phone (Titanium Backup)
5. Overclocking, Underclocking, Overvolting and Undervolting
The Kernel was just released by HTC today, so we will be getting some really nice mods for the T-Bolt soon. Some of the things I want:
1. When my phone is plugged into a charger, I want it overvolted and overclocked for FULL performance (1.6ghz stable please )
2. When my phone is on battery, I want it back to 1ghz, but lets unvervolt it to get better battery.
3. When my phone's screen is locked lets underclock it down to 250mhz, seriously undervolt it, and get some real juice out of it.
4. When my phone's screen is locked, auto disable 4g, gps and wifi for even more battery savings.
Basically I want a phone that screams when it is supposed to scream, and tidy on the battery when it is supposed to be.
For me its about bloatware and speed. Plus (correct me if im wrong) the hotspot tethering is only free for a period of time, so eventually youll want that root for the tether.
I always equate it to if you buy a pc versus building it. Most people if they buy it the first thing they do is delete all the crap for overall performance.
Even if you root only to get rid of the bloatware your going to see an increase in battery life (especially from crappy blockbuster) and load speeds.
spursrchamps2007 said:
For me its about bloatware and speed. Plus (correct me if im wrong) the hotspot tethering is only free for a period of time, so eventually youll want that root for the tether.
I always equate it to if you buy a pc versus building it. Most people if they buy it the first thing they do is delete all the crap for overall performance.
Even if you root only to get rid of the bloatware your going to see an increase in battery life (especially from crappy blockbuster) and load speeds.
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also read reports of blockbuster running in the background constantly updating and draining the battery unless you physically go in there and turn it off...i didnt bother checking that out, i promptly removed it for good
For me it was all about the customization. Everything I own I tweak to make it just to my like so the same goes for my phone, so rooting was just necessary. Also a lot of the custom ROMS are designed to help improve battery life, and since the battery life of the TB isn't very stellar to begin with, it is nice to be able to increase it by flashing the correct ROM. I really don't see a situation where you wouldn't want to root it.
My moto is when in doubt... Root.
It just makes it better
Had my Thunderbolt since day one. It's my first smartphone. I want to root it and in the process of doing so. I've read that it will wipe my phone. Just curious. Does that include my SD card as well? and how would i go about flashing my stock ROM just in case i need to take it in for warranty purposes?
freshentrails said:
Had my Thunderbolt since day one. It's my first smartphone. I want to root it and in the process of doing so. I've read that it will wipe my phone. Just curious. Does that include my SD card as well? and how would i go about flashing my stock ROM just in case i need to take it in for warranty purposes?
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It wont wipe your sd card unless you select it to in clockwork recovery.
to get back to out of the box with s-on and original rom. download this ruu and plug your phone in. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=975888
magneticzero said:
It wont wipe your sd card unless you select it to in clockwork recovery.
to get back to out of the box with s-on and original rom. download this ruu and plug your phone in. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=975888
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Awesome Thanks
DNak206 said:
Coming from the DX, the benefits of rooting (even with it locked down) were WIFI tethering, screenshots, and overall just being able to customize the phone more with themes, colors, etc.
From what I can tell, the Wifi tethering app just can't hang with the native MobileHotSpot tethering option provided by the phone, in which case, it becomes less of a benefit.
I can see why people don't like Sense but it doesn't bother me one bit so that really isn't a factor. Just wondering what other features (or lack thereof) are pushing people one way or the other.
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Coming from the DX you were in a walled garden (not as bad as another walled garden, but walled none the less). While I do like Sense, there are also Cyanogen, Liquid Metal, and MIUI as examples of rom styles that will completely transform your phone.
MIUI menus for example are by far the best designed that I have seen. And you might reply who cares about menus, but once you have messed with it, it makes a world of difference.
Cyanogen adds a crap ton of function then tends to focus on stability. This lead to (IMHO) the smoothest most stable rom on the Droid Inc.
Liquid Metal is just way outside the box. I was not fond of it (except the kick ass lock screen), but I bet someone here who did fancy it could speak for its merits.
The real question is, why the hell wouldn't you root
dyezak said:
My reasons that I rooted:
1. Get rid of bloatware
2. Get rid of bloatware
3. Customization options
4. *FULL* backups of my phone (Titanium Backup)
5. Overclocking, Underclocking, Overvolting and Undervolting
The Kernel was just released by HTC today, so we will be getting some really nice mods for the T-Bolt soon. Some of the things I want:
1. When my phone is plugged into a charger, I want it overvolted and overclocked for FULL performance (1.6ghz stable please )
2. When my phone is on battery, I want it back to 1ghz, but lets unvervolt it to get better battery.
3. When my phone's screen is locked lets underclock it down to 250mhz, seriously undervolt it, and get some real juice out of it.
4. When my phone's screen is locked, auto disable 4g, gps and wifi for even more battery savings.
Basically I want a phone that screams when it is supposed to scream, and tidy on the battery when it is supposed to be.
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I second all that. LOL
kendive said:
I second all that. LOL
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I will most likely root, I guess I have just been pretty impressed with this phone stock, wasn't sure I needed it. Take into consideration more customization, tethering and increased battery life, again, I think it's a no-brainer.
Are you guys seeing an increase in speed and battery life now that you've rooted? I know killing bloatware also kills running services which should in theory help, but isn't undervolting the best way to maximize juice?
DNak206 said:
I will most likely root, I guess I have just been pretty impressed with this phone stock, wasn't sure I needed it.
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This is why I still haven't....
Coming from a turtle phone, this is very easy to get used to as-is..
So a series of questions-
I am new to sense, and I'm not sure what sense is.. if I get a senseless rom, does that just take away the stock launcher and associated widgets? Will it still have the battery section, power saver options, and other things like that in the settings that I haven't seen in other phones? More or less the question is what is the difference between sense and senseless roms?
I saw a screen bleed solution here and was wondering if I can make it automated(each boot) by putting the suggestion in a script and having it run by script manager "at boot" and "with root"?(if this does work, it may help others if anyone wants to perm get rid of softkey lights)
I'm still redoing the batterystats to see if I get better battery life, but I am seeing what people are talking about battery life wise- anyone have any tips specific to the amaze? I think juice defender has an automated 2g when screen off feature, but I'm not sure if the 4g is one of the big drains.. I ordered a spare battery, but I still wouldn't mind getting this as efficient as possible. I seem to have wakelocks down to a minimum, so I am not sure what the big drains are..
I am not sure I like the built in contacts apps and such, is there a way to pull one from a different rom or phone, or is this htc or sense specific and can't be done?
and last-- I have yet to use a spare battery, but my understanding of batteries is that the batterystats file is specific to the battery-- If I copy the battery stats file for the original and make a new one for a spare battery(and switch the file when switching batteries) will this yield better results? If so, I have considered making an app or a script that does this.. and it makes sense to me that the file is battery specific(hence why I hear of horrible life of spare batteries)..
I know this is a bunch of questions, and trust me I have searched.. but if anyone has any insights or answers I'd appreciate it! I'd like to get into development or app development, but I realized there is quite a bit about htc phones I don't know about-- though thankfully unlocking bootloader, flashing recovery and roms was pretty straight forward.. thanks to all the great info in these forums
Silentbtdeadly said:
So a series of questions-
I am new to sense, and I'm not sure what sense is.. if I get a senseless rom, does that just take away the stock launcher and associated widgets? Will it still have the battery section, power saver options, and other things like that in the settings that I haven't seen in other phones?
I saw a screen bleed solution here and was wondering if I can make it automated(each boot) by putting the suggestion in a script and having it run by script manager "at boot" and "with root"?(if this does work, it may help others if anyone wants to perm get rid of softkey lights)
I'm still redoing the batterystats to see if I get better battery life, but I am seeing what people are talking about battery life wise- anyone have any tips specific to the amaze? I think juice defender has an automated 2g when screen off feature, but I'm not sure if the 4g is one of the big drains.. I ordered a spare battery, but I still wouldn't mind getting this as efficient as possible. I seem to have wakelocks down to a minimum, so I am not sure what the big drains are..
I am not sure I like the built in contacts apps and such, is there a way to pull one from a different rom or phone, or is this htc or sense specific and can't be done?
and last-- I have yet to use a spare battery, but my understanding of batteries is that the batterystats file is specific to the battery-- If I copy the battery stats file for the original and make a new one for a spare battery(and switch the file when switching batteries) will this yield better results? If so, I have considered making an app or a script that does this.. and it makes sense to me that the file is battery specific(hence why I hear of horrible life of spare batteries)..
I know this is a bunch of questions, and trust me I have searched.. but if anyone has any insights or answers I'd appreciate it! I'd like to get into development or app development, but I realized there is quite a bit about htc phones I don't know about-- though thankfully unlocking bootloader, flashing recovery and roms was pretty straight forward.. thanks to all the great info in these forums
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Try asking one at a time.
If you were a developer you would have answers to all those questions
All android phones and roms will have the basic settings sections, power, wireles, syn etc. besides that Every rom is different and has different things...The only way to know is to unlock your bootloader, flash custom recovery then root your phone, and install custom roms...there is no way to explain every single detail of every single rom...it would take a a user manual and no one has time to write a user manual everytime they make a rom. to familiarize yourself why don't you start by reading the READ ME FIRST SECTION, I spent so much time making that and no one reads it.
If you are switching batteries why would you even need battery stats any more??? the only reason people calibrate their battery is to get more battery life out of ONE BATTERY and not have to change it. Two battery is always going to give you more life obviously, no matter what the stats.
for screen bleed try using screen filter app from the market.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE THREADS ON BATTERY WHY DON'T YOU USE THE SEARCH FUNCTIONS???...and READ THE READ ME FIRST...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1358954&highlight=battery+life
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1419618&highlight=battery+life
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1321290&highlight=battery+life
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1424610&highlight=battery+life
seansk said:
Try asking one at a time.
If you were a developer you would have answers to all those questions
All android phones and roms will have the basic settings sections, power, wireles, syn etc. besides that Every rom is different and has different things...The only way to know is to unlock your bootloader, flash custom recovery then root your phone, and install custom roms...there is no way to explain every single detail of every single rom...it would take a a user manual and no one has time to write a user manual everytime they make a rom. to familiarize yourself why don't you start by reading the READ ME FIRST SECTION, I spent so much time making that and no one reads it.
If you are switching batteries why would you even need battery stats any more??? the only reason people calibrate their battery is to get more battery life out of ONE BATTERY and not have to change it. Two battery is always going to give you more life obviously, no matter what the stats.
for screen bleed try using screen filter app from the market.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE THREADS ON BATTERY WHY DON'T YOU USE THE SEARCH FUNCTIONS???...and READ THE READ ME FIRST...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1358954&highlight=battery+life
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1419618&highlight=battery+life
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1321290&highlight=battery+life
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1424610&highlight=battery+life
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Sigh. I did read the posts that were just stickied, and I am not new to android at all.. but I know one of the dangers to being a new name to a new part of the forum is to have people assume you're ignorant or don't know how to search. I unlocked and flashed a new rom within 30 minutes of getting home with my phone, so trust me, I'm not ignorant.
That said-- I know all the answers to battery saving that aren't phone specific. If I am looking for anything, it would be what is specific to the amaze that causes the drain. If it is the 3g/4g then I may be able to use something like juice defender to offset that. I have every extra feature off on my phone, have all the wakelock issues solved, and that makes me think that the drain is radio/signal based.
Also, what I have observed is that people who use multiple batteries(on multiple types of phones) say they get 8-12 hours per battery- and with a correctly calibrated battery they may get 14 or more.. rather than just throw extra batteries at the problem(and have worse life for each battery), I'm trying to think of a way to get the most out of each. If I was going to go camping for a weekend(or just not be able to charge), it would be nice to get it done with just one or two spares.
As far as asking about SENSE- I'm new to htc. I don't know what part of the rom IS sense, but it sounds like you know even less than I do. If the only real difference is no bloat roms, no sense widgets, no stock launcher, cool.. if it means that some of the extras in the settings I haven't seen on non-htc phones aren't there.. that would be good to know.
I appreciate when people respond who actually have an answer, but I don't appreciate when someone doesn't have an answer(or maybe you don't understand the questions) and wants to talk down to someone for asking.. I'll just assume you are used to talking to noobs who may frustrate you.
Silentbtdeadly said:
So a series of questions-
I am new to sense, and I'm not sure what sense is.. if I get a senseless rom, does that just take away the stock launcher and associated widgets? Will it still have the battery section, power saver options, and other things like that in the settings that I haven't seen in other phones? More or less the question is what is the difference between sense and senseless roms?
I saw a screen bleed solution here and was wondering if I can make it automated(each boot) by putting the suggestion in a script and having it run by script manager "at boot" and "with root"?(if this does work, it may help others if anyone wants to perm get rid of softkey lights)
I'm still redoing the batterystats to see if I get better battery life, but I am seeing what people are talking about battery life wise- anyone have any tips specific to the amaze? I think juice defender has an automated 2g when screen off feature, but I'm not sure if the 4g is one of the big drains.. I ordered a spare battery, but I still wouldn't mind getting this as efficient as possible. I seem to have wakelocks down to a minimum, so I am not sure what the big drains are..
I am not sure I like the built in contacts apps and such, is there a way to pull one from a different rom or phone, or is this htc or sense specific and can't be done?
and last-- I have yet to use a spare battery, but my understanding of batteries is that the batterystats file is specific to the battery-- If I copy the battery stats file for the original and make a new one for a spare battery(and switch the file when switching batteries) will this yield better results? If so, I have considered making an app or a script that does this.. and it makes sense to me that the file is battery specific(hence why I hear of horrible life of spare batteries)..
I know this is a bunch of questions, and trust me I have searched.. but if anyone has any insights or answers I'd appreciate it! I'd like to get into development or app development, but I realized there is quite a bit about htc phones I don't know about-- though thankfully unlocking bootloader, flashing recovery and roms was pretty straight forward.. thanks to all the great info in these forums
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1. Sense:
Just a user interface customed by HTC. It features are: Peoples widget (a contact widget with more features), Friend Stream widget (updating your social network contacts' status - like Pure Messenger) Weather with HTC's signature animations - you can use Beautiful Widget to replaced this) Flip Clock (Again, HTC signature and popular - beautiful widget and some other apps copied this from Sense due to its popularity). Anyway, one can always find an alternative widget to replaces every single Sense's widgets if he/she chose to do so.
I myself dont like many part of Sense (contact and dial app included) yet still using QuikSense and now BulletProof because I like the Beat Audio hack and the Sense lock screen.
I used ADW launcher and frozen most of Sense related apps (same thing as un-installing them) yet the power saver option still available to me, so, basically I am running a Sense Rom without Sense (in a way) and if you are planning to use a Senseless rom and can not find the power saving option that you like, you can always install Sense base rom with alternate 3rd party apps as I do to avoid the annoying of staring at something you don't like .
2. Screen bleed:
I forgot I have that problem - it really doesn't bother me that much though - so no command from me on this matter
3. Battery status:
My battery status/reading from Battery Widget and Current widget seems to gave me wrong reading and I guess it's due to the act of using two different batteries so I tended to agreed with you on this matter. Your idea seem like a good idea and it maybe helpful (Battery Widget Pro also giving user the option to do something similar too - differrent batteries).
As we all already known, battery hog came from (1) Rogue apps (2) User setting/syncing) (3) Signal/radio scanning and (4) Displaying and my own experiment showed me that if I happened to be in a weak 4G signal coverage areas then my battery will drained fast. We can tracked down rogue app and setting a correct syncing to save battery but we can not avoid using the display so the last option (to me) to save battery is turn-on wi-fi or switching to a 2/3G if you are in a weak 4G signal area
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seansk said:
Try asking one at a time.
If you were a developer you would have answers to all those questions
All android phones and roms will have the basic settings sections, power, wireles, syn etc. besides that Every rom is different and has different things...The only way to know is to unlock your bootloader, flash custom recovery then root your phone, and install custom roms...there is no way to explain every single detail of every single rom...it would take a a user manual and no one has time to write a user manual everytime they make a rom. to familiarize yourself why don't you start by reading the READ ME FIRST SECTION, I spent so much time making that and no one reads it.
If you are switching batteries why would you even need battery stats any more??? the only reason people calibrate their battery is to get more battery life out of ONE BATTERY and not have to change it. Two battery is always going to give you more life obviously, no matter what the stats.
for screen bleed try using screen filter app from the market.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE THREADS ON BATTERY WHY DON'T YOU USE THE SEARCH FUNCTIONS???...and READ THE READ ME FIRST...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1358954&highlight=battery+life
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1419618&highlight=battery+life
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1321290&highlight=battery+life
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1424610&highlight=battery+life
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I am highly suggesting you to change your language and/or the way you wrote/communicates with other.
On the internet and in any forum, writing in capital means you are yelling at peoples and that considering rude.
Writing a guide and had it stickied by a moderator doesn't automatically give you the right to yell at peoples when they asked for helps and/or discussing/opening topics.
Didn't Binary told you to change your languages/caps. in your writing BEFORE he approved and stickied your post?
Well comare the sgs ii and the amaze, the sgs ii has much better battery life because TW isnt as bulky and doesnt use as much RAM as Sense. i prefer Sense because it looks so much better, more UI friendly, etc. and more. With a stock ROM it would be much better on battery. I say this from experiance, ive owned HTC phoens since the G1 and there is a difference in batterylife and speed. if you notice the sgs ii is much faster as well when benchmarking and has the same internals (CPU/RAM/GPU). If you want a good looking interface with good HTC integrated apps then keep sense, if you need battery life then id get a senseless ROM because you are using less RAM and resources, etc = better battery life.
Personally i love Sense and i prefer it even if it makes battery life worse.
antiquezip said:
1. Sense:
Just a user interface customed by HTC. It features are: Peoples widget (a contact widget with more features), Friend Stream widget (updating your social network contacts' status - like Pure Messenger) Weather with HTC's signature animations - you can use Beautiful Widget to replaced this) Flip Clock (Again, HTC signature and popular - beautiful widget and some other apps copied this from Sense due to its popularity). Anyway, one can always find an alternative widget to replaces every single Sense's widgets if he/she chose to do so.
I myself dont like many part of Sense (contact and dial app included) yet still using QuikSense and now BulletProof because I like the Beat Audio hack and the Sense lock screen.
I used ADW launcher and frozen most of Sense related apps (same thing as un-installing them) yet the power saver option still available to me, so, basically I am running a Sense Rom without Sense (in a way) and if you are planning to use a Senseless rom and can not find the power saving option that you like, you can always install Sense base rom with alternate 3rd party apps as I do to avoid the annoying of staring at something you don't like .
2. Screen bleed:
I forgot I have that problem - it really doesn't bother me that much though - so no command from me on this matter
3. Battery status:
My battery status/reading from Battery Widget and Current widget seems to gave me wrong reading and I guess it's due to the act of using two different batteries so I tended to agreed with you on this matter. Your idea seem like a good idea and it maybe helpful (Battery Widget Pro also giving user the option to do something similar too - differrent batteries).
As we all already known, battery hog came from (1) Rogue apps (2) User setting/syncing) (3) Signal/radio scanning and (4) Displaying and my own experiment showed me that if I happened to be in a weak 4G signal coverage areas then my battery will drained fast. We can tracked down rogue app and setting a correct syncing to save battery but we can not avoid using the display so the last option (to me) to save battery is turn-on wi-fi or switching to a 2/3G if you are in a weak 4G signal area
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Thanks for the feedback, I've owned beautiful widgets for a while now, so I was using those with golauncher ex and am pretty happy. If those are the main things that are sense, I can live without
Louder ringing in pocket, some of the low power functions and a few other things seemed pretty cool, so I was just trying to figure out if those would be lost on the senseless roms.. and I also don't like the stock dialer and contacts.
I'm gonna have to check out battery widget pro, what I was suggesting was an app idea, if someone else has already done it.. well definitely good to know.
The screenbleed isn't a big deal to me, I was using screen filter by last night.. but I also have no desire to have the softkeys backlit, I'm pretty sure I'll remember which is which
stratax said:
Well comare the sgs ii and the amaze, the sgs ii has much better battery life because TW isnt as bulky and doesnt use as much RAM as Sense. i prefer Sense because it looks so much better, more UI friendly, etc. and more. With a stock ROM it would be much better on battery. I say this from experiance, ive owned HTC phoens since the G1 and there is a difference in batterylife and speed. if you notice the sgs ii is much faster as well when benchmarking and has the same internals (CPU/RAM/GPU). If you want a good looking interface with good HTC integrated apps then keep sense, if you need battery life then id get a senseless ROM because you are using less RAM and resources, etc = better battery life.
Personally i love Sense and i prefer it even if it makes battery life worse.
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I've been running bulletproof for the last 2 days, I've never had a htc before, so figured I would try out sense first. Probably going to try senseless tomorrow. Sucks you have to wait a few days eh stratax? When are you getting yours in?
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Silentbtdeadly said:
I've been running bulletproof for the last 2 days, I've never had a htc before, so figured I would try out sense first. Probably going to try senseless tomorrow. Sucks you have to wait a few days eh stratax? When are you getting yours in?
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I cant stand stock for some reason, i just get bored and i hate having to use 3rd party apps. its nice to have the HTC integrated ones, since they work great. Yeah it does suck, but i am happy to be getting the Amaze
Silentbtdeadly said:
So a series of questions-
I am new to sense, and I'm not sure what sense is.. if I get a senseless rom, does that just take away the stock launcher and associated widgets? Will it still have the battery section, power saver options, and other things like that in the settings that I haven't seen in other phones? More or less the question is what is the difference between sense and senseless roms?
I saw a screen bleed solution here and was wondering if I can make it automated(each boot) by putting the suggestion in a script and having it run by script manager "at boot" and "with root"?(if this does work, it may help others if anyone wants to perm get rid of softkey lights)
I'm still redoing the batterystats to see if I get better battery life, but I am seeing what people are talking about battery life wise- anyone have any tips specific to the amaze? I think juice defender has an automated 2g when screen off feature, but I'm not sure if the 4g is one of the big drains.. I ordered a spare battery, but I still wouldn't mind getting this as efficient as possible. I seem to have wakelocks down to a minimum, so I am not sure what the big drains are..
I am not sure I like the built in contacts apps and such, is there a way to pull one from a different rom or phone, or is this htc or sense specific and can't be done?
and last-- I have yet to use a spare battery, but my understanding of batteries is that the batterystats file is specific to the battery-- If I copy the battery stats file for the original and make a new one for a spare battery(and switch the file when switching batteries) will this yield better results? If so, I have considered making an app or a script that does this.. and it makes sense to me that the file is battery specific(hence why I hear of horrible life of spare batteries)..
I know this is a bunch of questions, and trust me I have searched.. but if anyone has any insights or answers I'd appreciate it! I'd like to get into development or app development, but I realized there is quite a bit about htc phones I don't know about-- though thankfully unlocking bootloader, flashing recovery and roms was pretty straight forward.. thanks to all the great info in these forums
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I apologize for comming off angry. Something pissed me off today and got 3 hours of sleep.
Honestly I havn't flashed all the roms. Here's how could explain this to you better. AOSP is the pure google version of android...usually google flaship phones have these such as the nexus one, the nexus S series, and galaxy nexus. I believe the G2X also has a pure google version of android.
Each company such as samsung or HTC customizes these roms to their liking and puts it on their phone...sometimes they add features, widegers, eye candy, extra settings. HTC calls their User interface (UI) that they use Sense, samsung calls theirs touchwiz and so on.
Senseless rom takes some parts of sense out of sense and leaves some parts in I believe, this is what I remember from reading that thread. In the thread it usually tells you the major things that have been taken out, and things that have been put in
for you screen bleed solution the only way I have seen is to turn down or off the button lights using "screen filter" from the market.
4G is one of the biggest drains on the newer phones. I have juice defender Ultimate but stopped using it. under normal stock settings in juice defender when you turn off the screen it turns off both wifi and wireless data...so you could only basically get phone calls, sms, and mms. Things such as Gmail push, facebook updates, google voice updates etc will not be allowed while phone is off...is why I stopped using it. You could change settings to turn data on during screen off or, turn wifi on, etc. but that would defeat the purpose of the program, turning off wifi and data network is the biggest things that let juice defender save battery.
Biggest drains again are, 4g data, wifi, and screen. You can tweak these under the wireless and network settings.
Technically you could remove the contact and dialer app, titanium backup will let you do this. But I warn you against doing this I believe since parts of it are integrated into the rom. freezing apps is a much better idea. You could download dialers from the market currently I use excontacts with ICS them on it. You could other dialers. But I believe that actual contact editing and contacts cannot be completely removed from sense, you would have to flash a different rom to get the AOSP dialer and contacts, or other ones.
My understanding of lithium ion batteries is that they have NO Memory unlike older batteries, It is pointless to charge the battery for 12 hours the first time...there is no trickle charge on lithium ions. In my own honest opinion/experience battery statistics make no difference in battery life, but others can correct me if I am wrong, this is where people say calibration makes a difference, I really don't know. It's also very hard to do a controlled test of a battery, since phone uses different things at different times, network connections, wifi. all that stuff.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_increase_the_runtime_of_your_wireless_device
P.S. updating to the newest update from HTC on my phone solved my overheat and battery issues.
P.S.S switching to other launchers will take away you ability to use sense widgets and customizations, since they are part of the sense launcher.
seansk said:
I apologize for comming off angry. Something pissed me off today and got 3 hours of sleep.
Honestly I havn't flashed all the roms. Here's how could explain this to you better. AOSP is the pure google version of android...usually google flaship phones have these such as the nexus one, the nexus S series, and galaxy nexus. I believe the G2X also has a pure google version of android.
Each company such as samsung or HTC customizes these roms to their liking and puts it on their phone...sometimes they add features, widegers, eye candy, extra settings. HTC calls their User interface (UI) that they use Sense, samsung calls theirs touchwiz and so on.
Senseless rom takes some parts of sense out of sense and leaves some parts in I believe, this is what I remember from reading that thread. In the thread it usually tells you the major things that have been taken out, and things that have been put in
for you screen bleed solution the only way I have seen is to turn down or off the button lights using "screen filter" from the market.
4G is one of the biggest drains on the newer phones. I have juice defender Ultimate but stopped using it. under normal stock settings in juice defender when you turn off the screen it turns off both wifi and wireless data...so you could only basically get phone calls, sms, and mms. Things such as Gmail push, facebook updates, google voice updates etc will not be allowed while phone is off...is why I stopped using it. You could change settings to turn data on during screen off or, turn wifi on, etc. but that would defeat the purpose of the program, turning off wifi and data network is the biggest things that let juice defender save battery.
Biggest drains again are, 4g data, wifi, and screen. You can tweak these under the wireless and network settings.
Technically you could remove the contact and dialer app, titanium backup will let you do this. But I warn you against doing this I believe since parts of it are integrated into the rom. freezing apps is a much better idea. You could download dialers from the market currently I use excontacts with ICS them on it. You could other dialers. But I believe that actual contact editing and contacts cannot be completely removed from sense, you would have to flash a different rom to get the AOSP dialer and contacts, or other ones.
My understanding of lithium ion batteries is that they have NO Memory unlike older batteries, It is pointless to charge the battery for 12 hours the first time...there is no trickle charge on lithium ions. In my own honest opinion/experience battery statistics make no difference in battery life, but others can correct me if I am wrong, this is where people say calibration makes a difference, I really don't know. It's also very hard to do a controlled test of a battery, since phone uses different things at different times, network connections, wifi. all that stuff.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_increase_the_runtime_of_your_wireless_device
P.S. updating to the newest update from HTC on my phone solved my overheat and battery issues.
P.S.S switching to other launchers will take away you ability to use sense widgets and customizations, since they are part of the sense launcher.
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I figured you may be having a bad day, we are all entitled to that. I'm sick, long day in classes(college), and sick and tired of being sick and tired..
I know a little more than I feel like your reply is aiming for, sense goes all the way to how you copy and paste.. So I was asking more about what is considered "senseless".
And random fact about android and the batterystats file.. The battery is stand alone, but the os decides what to report as the current charge and when to stop charging based on that file. I can upload a file as an example if needed. To the best of my understanding, using. Different batteries changes the file that tells the os when to stop charging, and what percentage to report at what maH. As you continue to use different batteries that file becomes less accurate and will stop charging sooner, and will drop faster as it is confused at what maH to report what %. If you ever see it change by more than 1% at a time, your battery stats file is inaccurate.
But that is just my understanding. I've researched it as much as I can, but.. It isn't an easy thing to get a definitive answer about.
Here is a battery history file, can't remember what makes it, but it is very much like what the battery stats file refers to. If you open that battery stats file in a text editor, you will see it refers to many things.. and if you delete that file you will see big changes in how your battery works.. That is the simplest proof that is matters
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Have you read my thread it is called
FAQ for the HTC Amaze 4G. Read Frequently Asked Questions before you post a question!
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Have you read my thread it is called
FAQ for the HTC Amaze 4G. Read Frequently Asked Questions before you post a question!
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Lol, yes, I read your post.. feel free to throw some of the answers you would give me into it, but trust me.. it leaves more questions I imagine would be asked frequently. I am asking for something more detailed than "how do I get better battery life"..
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Lol, yes, I read your post.. feel free to throw some of the answers you would give me into it, but trust me.. it leaves more questions I imagine would be asked frequently. I am asking for something more detailed than "how do I get better battery life"..
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you know I think It's the fact that a few of us like hasson, binary xboarder, just get the same things over and over and over and over and over and over. We just get in the mode of linking to those stickies. It can get tiresome, I don't know how binary does it. I've only been doing it for about a week now, It gets frustrating at times, we don't mean to lash out, but many people, i'm not saying you, but many others just come in without looking at anything and just ask a question, same questions over and over, they're just too lazy to look around or want a quick fix. or they pm us I need to root my phone can you help me!! It is infuriating when you spend time making pages to help and get those PM's.
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you know I think It's the fact that a few of us like hasson, binary xboarder, just get the same things over and over and over and over and over and over. We just get in the mode of linking to those stickies. It can get tiresome, I don't know how binary does it. I've only been doing it for about a week now, It gets frustrating at times, we don't mean to lash out, but many people, i'm not saying you, but many others just come in without looking at anything and just ask a question, same questions over and over, they're just too lazy to look around or want a quick fix. or they pm us I need to root my phone can you help me!! It is infuriating when you spend time making pages to help and get those PM's.
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we? us? who PMs you lol?
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we? us? who PMs you lol?
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I pitched in to help since binary was getting overwhelmed with PM's so I posted in his how to root thread that people can contact me if they have problems. I'm just trying to help get the community a little bigger, I practice dentistry part time dentist, no full time for me cause economy is bad and oversaturated with them, and chronic medical illness
I don't claim to know not nearly as close to binary, xboarder and some others...but atleast I can help some of the noobs. I love and have always loved technology
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I pitched in to help since binary was getting overwhelmed with PM's so I posted in his how to root thread that people can contact me if they have problems. I'm just trying to help get the community a little bigger, I practice dentistry part time dentist, no full time for me cause economy is bad and oversaturated with them, and chronic medical illness
I don't claim to know not nearly as close to binary, xboarder and some others...but atleast I can help some of the noobs. I love and have always loved technology
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lol cool I was just wondering if there was some other dev page for the amaze and I didn't know cuz as far as ive noticed here there is only a xboarder and a binary keeping the dev stuff alive
Hello everybody, My photon is having very bad battery life and i havent even had it a full year, And when i first started having this problem i got a new battery, ( no luck), I fully rebooted my phone, And i rooted it, So if anyone has any suggestions on how to find whats causing my bad batter life tell me.
Batterlife:
Playing games 1-2 hours
Listening to music 7 hours
Screen on listening to music 3 hours
bump, Please help!!!
12 hours is a great battery life.
so? 6 hours of display = it's normal time for android phones..
deadpuck said:
Hello everybody, My photon is having very bad battery life and i havent even had it a full year, And when i first started having this problem i got a new battery, ( no luck), I fully rebooted my phone, And i rooted it, So if anyone has any suggestions on how to find whats causing my bad batter life tell me.
Batterlife:
Playing games 1-2 hours
Listening to music 7 hours
Screen on listening to music 3 hours
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Question for ya. Are you running any custom roms or just stock rooted?
The reason i ask is simply because if you are running any ics+ roms, your battery life odds are will be significantly decreased, its like that for phones who even have official ics/jb
If your on just a rooted stock rom, odds are the bloat ware is draining your juice. Sprint/moto have a bunch of background apps/services that will run at startup.
Few recommendations for you.
Settings:
1)Turn off auto brightness, and simply set your phone to a brightness that is low, but easily visible indoors/out
2)Ensure gps is off unless you are using a navigation app (please dont use the crap one built in, drains battery, lags, is rele only a trial,etc)
3)If you are not in the habit of locking ur phone when you are not on it, set your timeout for the screen to 15 seconds
4) Turn off background sync/ use only on wifi
Apps:
1)Download a root uninstall app to remove apps.
2)Download a autorun management app to disable unnecessary crap
3)Possibly buy a nice root toolbox, ie, rom toolbox pro.
4)Use battery calibrator for root phones and follow instructions
Aftermarket:
1) buy an extended battery
2) buy a spare or 2 batteries. (look on amazon, buy the two aftermarket batteries/wallcharger/ Lanyard) Youll never need to worry about your battery again. lol
3) Buy an independent charger/power source, you know, the ones that you charge, and then use to charge on the go without any wires
None of these things are guaranteed to help, but thats what i can think of off the top of my head as far as solutions go. The photon has a surprisingly small charge battery considering all the phone can do.
Hope something here helps at least a little
Sent from my MB855 using xda app-developers app
T3HG00GLEG33K said:
Question for ya. Are you running any custom roms or just stock rooted?
The reason i ask is simply because if you are running any ics+ roms, your battery life odds are will be significantly decreased, its like that for phones who even have official ics/jb
If your on just a rooted stock rom, odds are the bloat ware is draining your juice. Sprint/moto have a bunch of background apps/services that will run at startup.
Few recommendations for you.
Settings:
1)Turn off auto brightness, and simply set your phone to a brightness that is low, but easily visible indoors/out
2)Ensure gps is off unless you are using a navigation app (please dont use the crap one built in, drains battery, lags, is rele only a trial,etc)
3)If you are not in the habit of locking ur phone when you are not on it, set your timeout for the screen to 15 seconds
4) Turn off background sync/ use only on wifi
Apps:
1)Download a root uninstall app to remove apps.
2)Download a autorun management app to disable unnecessary crap
3)Possibly buy a nice root toolbox, ie, rom toolbox pro.
4)Use battery calibrator for root phones and follow instructions
Aftermarket:
1) buy an extended battery
2) buy a spare or 2 batteries. (look on amazon, buy the two aftermarket batteries/wallcharger/ Lanyard) Youll never need to worry about your battery again. lol
3) Buy an independent charger/power source, you know, the ones that you charge, and then use to charge on the go without any wires
None of these things are guaranteed to help, but thats what i can think of off the top of my head as far as solutions go. The photon has a surprisingly small charge battery considering all the phone can do.
Hope something here helps at least a little
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Thanks for all the help, But im doing most of those thing i have a spare batterie, and aswell i have nothing special on my phone besides a few games, spotify and gameCIH, I havent callibrated though, But i am interested in unistallying programs that are bloat ware, Any of them that you can tell me that i can uninstall without messing anything up?
deadpuck said:
Thanks for all the help, But im doing most of those thing i have a spare batterie, and aswell i have nothing special on my phone besides a few games, spotify and gameCIH, I havent callibrated though, But i am interested in unistallying programs that are bloat ware, Any of them that you can tell me that i can uninstall without messing anything up?
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My apologies for the delay in my response. I haven't run the stock rom since week 2 of me owning the phone. That was quite some time ago.
i will link you to a very old thread here in the development section that i used to remove all the sprint crap.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1217134
Keep in mind it is a good idea to ensure you know how to revert back if need be.
You have 3 options here really, i will list them in the order i recommend
1) Get yourself either that toolkit i mentioned(Works good for all of your needs) or a root uninstallation app that offers you the ability to backup/restore/freeze apps
2) Use a file manager app with root privileges to browse your phones system files, and rather then deleting the apps, simply rename them with an easily recognizable extention, IE: .backup, .bak, .back (You get the idea)
3) You can delete apps manually as instructed in the thread, be sure you read it thoroughly, and know what apps you delete disable (google search the apk and what it is if you are unsure)
Good luck mate
Ive Pac'ked my bags, and am on my PacMopho. *Cheers*