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So is it true that the GPU on the EVO 3D sucks? Or is outdated? I've heard some people say its actually worse than the NS4G's GPU. I want to play some demanding games so the GPU to me is important. How will it run N64oid and the PSX emulator? I'm coming from the hero so there is no question there, but if what everyone says is true about it being worse than the NS4G's GPU then to me it's kind of a disappointment in that regard.
I guess I should rephrase one of my questions. I'm asking how it will run the emulators because I saw someone using a SG playing on the N64oid and it seemed pretty laggy, and if i'm not mistaken that has the same/similar GPU to the NS4G?
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So is it true that the GPU on the EVO 3D sucks? Or is outdated? I've heard some people say its actually worse than the NS4G's GPU. I want to play some demanding games so the GPU to me is important. How will it run N64oid and the PSX emulator? I'm coming from the hero so there is no question there, but if what everyone says is true about it being worse than the NS4G's GPU then to me it's kind of a disappointment in that regard.
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the emulators use the CPU, the Evo 3D will be fine, the PSX emulator runs fine on my 18 month old Desire
From everything that I have read, the 3D's GPU is suppose to be one of the best out right now.......
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From everything that I have read, the 3D's GPU is suppose to be one of the best out right now.......
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Yeah, I've heard that too. So it makes me wonder whats really true? It might tell you something that I heard the GPU isn't very good from the NS boards ... but I think i've heard it on these boards too, just not near as much
Look up you tube videos of the gpu in action. Nuff said
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Maybe this will calm your fears
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhBuMW2f_NM
Here a better one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ehfyxvh2W4k&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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The GPU in the Evo3D should be the best out right now. Supposed to be up to twice as fast/powerful as Tegra2. It does appear that some optimizations need to be done to take advantage of this GPU though, hence some of the early, low benchmarks.
The GPU is the fastest right now. NO need to specualte, it will be until tegra 3 comes out, but I think it will still match tegra 3 in most benchmarks. SGX540 is good but adreno 220 is faster.
What about de CPU ? It's worst than the Galaxy S CPU or better ?
jamhawk said:
What about de CPU ? It's worst than the Galaxy S CPU or better ?
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It's probably a touch slower than the CPU in the Galaxy S2, but probably not enough to be important.
a5ehren said:
It's probably a touch slower than the CPU in the Galaxy S2, but probably not enough to be important.
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Depends if the US Galaxy 2's are going to be Tegra or Exynos
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Depends if the US Galaxy 2's are going to be Tegra or Exynos
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Now that's gonna make all the difference.
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well this cpu has a totally different desgin. if you look at the videos it is plenty fast, I highly doubt it would not be able to do that the samsung processor would be able to do, other than bench a little higher. If and when this phone gets ICS it will probably be better off because of the gpu it uses, I believe the gs2 still uses sgx540 and the adreno is certainly newer and better. SGX540 is still one hell of a chip, but adreno 220 is actually better.
nkd said:
well this cpu has a totally different desgin. if you look at the videos it is plenty fast, I highly doubt it would not be able to do that the samsung processor would be able to do, other than bench a little higher. If and when this phone gets ICS it will probably be better off because of the gpu it uses, I believe the gs2 still uses sgx540 and the adreno is certainly newer and better. SGX540 is still one hell of a chip, but adreno 220 is actually better.
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Actually the gs2 uses a Mali gpu..I still think the adreno outclasses it..they both have advantages over each other tho..but plenty of muscle for any mobile platform
firmbiz94 said:
Actually the gs2 uses a Mali gpu..I still think the adreno outclasses it..they both have advantages over each other tho..but plenty of muscle for any mobile platform
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This thread slightly confuses me. The OP mentions the NS4G in the first post, then we have someone coming in asking about comparisons to the Galaxy S, (S or S2?) and everyone answers about the GS2. Quick stat breakdown to answer whatever question is actually being asked here
Nexus S 4G has:
1.0 single core Hummingbird CPU
SGX540 GPU
Galaxy S has:
1.0 single core Hummingbird CPU
SGX540 GPU
Galaxy S2 (Euro) has:
1.2 dual core Orion CPU
Mali 400 GPU
Evo 3D Has:
1.2 dual core MSM8660 CPU
Adreno 220 GPU
(Infoz from GSMArena)
The Nexus S and Galaxy S are last generation's phones, so to answer the OP... No. The Evo 3d doesn't have the same GPU/CPU as the NS4G. Not even similar. It's a generation (Maybe even 2) up. The Evo 4g is slightly slower than the NS4G, and it's running a 1.0 snapdragon with an Adreno 200 (Not even a 205, which is in the next in line before the 220).
As for the GS2 Vs. Evo 3D, they're supposed to be on par with each other, with the GS2 maybe being a bit faster, since Qualcomm isn't the best with GPU's. (Personal opinion) However, AFAIK nobody has done any real testing on the Sensation vs the GS2 (same CPU/GPU) so there's no real data backing up that claim... The GS2 DOES have better benchmark scores though, so take that as you will.
Disclaimer: I found all the numbers on the internets. They may be wrong.
You can't really prove anything without having any concrete proof. There are still no scientific or a dedicated performance comparison with all the gpus found on a dual core.
I say all the post on this thread are just personal opinions.
The only thing we can compare now are benchmark results w/c are not even that credible.
Benchmarks(anandtech, quadrant etc)
1. Exynos
2. TI omap
3. Tegra 2
4. Qualcomm
5. Hummingbird
Now if only the qualcomm dual core uses cortex a9. I wonder why they choose cortex a8 instead of a9. Cortex a8 is so old hardware now
Don't worry too much about the a8 vs a9 thing...tje differences are not huge..45nm vs 40 nm .also Qualcomm heavily optimized the scorpion that it can actually perform processes that a9 can't..it will provide plenty of power..I would go into more details but that seems to upset some people on other threads
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You can't really prove anything without having any concrete proof. There are still no scientific or a dedicated performance comparison with all the gpus found on a dual core.
I say all the post on this thread are just personal opinions.
The only thing we can compare now are benchmark results w/c are not even that credible.
Benchmarks(anandtech, quadrant etc)
1. Exynos
2. TI omap
3. Tegra 2
4. Qualcomm
5. Hummingbird
Now if only the qualcomm dual core uses cortex a9. I wonder why they choose cortex a8 instead of a9. Cortex a8 is so old hardware now
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Almost all of the GPU benchmarks I've seen go like this:
1. Qualcomm
2. TI omap
3. Exynos
4. Tegra 2
5. Hummingbird
Qualcomm uses a8 because they don't use the reference designs from arm. Snapdragon outperforms the cortex a8 reference by 20-30% making it pretty close to the a9 reference
Hi guys, I need some honest advise. I'm thinking of trading my Rogers note for the international version. What do you folks recommend. Following are my reasons.
1. I believe the n7000 will get ics before the Rogers I717
2. I get 4 hours of battery and find it frustrating. I heard the battery performance is better on the international version.
3. I heard n7000 is a bit faster. I find i717 gets a bit choppy during screen transitions
4. I find I717 gets quite warm while using. A little uncomfortable.
5. I hardly get full lte to care about it. 4g is fine 6. Home button on the n7000 seems nice.
What do you thinks guys? Any help would be appreciated.
thanks
PS. I posted this thread in the n7000 board too.
do it.
10char
take a look.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=5627026
pkmoazzam said:
take a look.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=5627026
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Lol
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The international version will receive ICS long before the I-717. The adreno 220 GPU in the I-717 is better than the Mali400 in the N-7000; however the CPU in the N-7000 outpaces the I-717. Both devices suffer from black clipping.
So its a trade off for CPU performance or GPU performance, 3 button or 4 button and LTE vs hspa+.
My only advice for you is if your area doesn't have LTE. Yes do it. But if you in LTE area, No. The speed is a big different. I use ATT S2 and ATT Note so i know what the difference and its worth to keep.
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+1 on if you have LTE. I've gotten spoiled to the speed. Personally I hate the look of the single physical button.
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I switched from N700 to I717 due to LTE & don't regret one bit. I still have my N7000 so I can enjoy both worlds.
If you like to flash custom roms etc then go to the N7000, development is much more active there, N7000 has ICS both AOSP based roms and an unofficial leaked one!
If you have LTE in your area then it's up to you if you want it, I mean I'd rather use my wifi router as I don't get throttled and am not going to be downloading from my phone. Besides you know how much LTE is a battery sucker
I've used both and have to say that the N-7000 just performs better in real life use and in benchmarks.
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The international version will receive ICS long before the I-717. The adreno 220 GPU in the I-717 is better than the Mali400 in the N-7000; however the CPU in the N-7000 outpaces the I-717. Both devices suffer from black clipping.
So its a trade off for CPU performance or GPU performance, 3 button or 4 button and LTE vs hspa+.
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Its the other way around, the GPU performance is better on the Exnyos due to the Mali GPU it's a multi core gpu. The CPU performance should be better on the Snapdragon processor and have better power management able to turn off one core. Lighter black levels is mainly due to gamma levels tweaking in mdnie settings. I believe supercurio is working on a new application.
ICS will be on the way there is already a leak for the skyrocket, so they are working on the snapdragon variants with lte.. Porting time is much more dependent on the galaxy note premium suite and how long it will take to integrate to the touchwiz ics framework, then Q&A.
Differences are NFC and LTE radio on the i717. I suppose you would want the to switch N7000 if your focus is on playing games that require 3d, rather than using it as a work phone/tablet. Or not interested or don't have a LTE plan. Performance is relatively the same if you overclock the I717 to the N7000.
There other ways to push performance like overclocking the gpu (when a usermode adjustment is available.) I'm guessing the Max for the Adreno 220 is in the ball park of 320 MHz. Saving aittle more battery by undervolting. Battery drain is also due to baseband and Rom optimization, which will get better in subsequent releases.
It just really depends if you plan foregoing LTE and Rogers is pretty congested at peak hours on their HSPA network compared to their LTE network. NFC is a big factor as well as more products and services will be utilizing it in the near future. I already use it for quick file transfer between my nfc enabled devices. So it depends really if you want these features or graphics performance is a priority for you. In the future the user experience is pretty much going to be the same on both models once ICS is available.
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Its the other way around, the GPU performance is better on the Exnyos due to the Mali GPU it's a multi core gpu. The CPU performance should be better on the Snapdragon processor and have better power management able to turn off one core. Lighter black levels is mainly due to gamma levels tweaking in mdnie settings. I believe supercurio is working on a new application.
ICS will be on the way there is already a leak for the skyrocket, so they are working on the snapdragon variants with lte.. Porting time is much more dependent on the galaxy note premium suite and how long it will take to integrate to the touchwiz ics framework, then Q&A.
Differences are NFC and LTE radio on the i717. I suppose you would want the to switch N7000 if your focus is on playing games that require 3d, rather than using it as a work phone/tablet. Or not interested or don't have a LTE plan. Performance is relatively the same if you overclock the I717 to the N7000.
There other ways to push performance like overclocking the gpu (when a usermode adjustment is available.) I'm guessing the Max for the Adreno 220 is in the ball park of 320 MHz. Saving aittle more battery by undervolting. Battery drain is also due to baseband and Rom optimization, which will get better in subsequent releases.
It just really depends if you plan foregoing LTE and Rogers is pretty congested at peak hours on their HSPA network compared to their LTE network. NFC is a big factor as well as more products and services will be utilizing it in the near future. I already use it for quick file transfer between my nfc enabled devices. So it depends really if you want these features or graphics performance is a priority for you. In the future the user experience is pretty much going to be the same on both models once ICS is available.
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http://10division.com/samsung-galaxy-s2-hd-lte-vs-samsung-galaxy-s2-the-unofficial-comparison-guide/
I based my opinion on this article and the anandtech article linked within. Both devices use exactly the same hardware as the N-7000 and I-717 other than the screen.
The Adreno 220 is roughly 2.2 times the GPU as the Mali 400. What made the real difference is the Note has 2.67 times the pixles of the SGS2 while using the same Mali 400 GPU. If the N-7000 shipped with the Exynos 4212 it would have the quad core Mali 400 mp4.
wingman_214 said:
The international version will receive ICS long before the I-717. The adreno 220 GPU in the I-717 is better than the Mali400 in the N-7000; however the CPU in the N-7000 outpaces the I-717. Both devices suffer from black clipping.
So its a trade off for CPU performance or GPU performance, 3 button or 4 button and LTE vs hspa+.
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Err... Says who? Every single piece of benchmarks and every datasheets out there clearly show that the Adreno 220 is a piece if crap next to the MALI 400
Seriously why do people say things out of thin air as if it was an undeniable truth...
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My decision was easy for moving to the n7000 from i717:
Better Battery life+performance+bigger dev support= no brainer
Did i mention better battery life?
At least for me anyways.
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bkeaver said:
My decision was easy for moving to the n7000 from i717:
Better Battery life+performance+bigger dev support= no brainer
Did i mention better battery life?
At least for me anyways.
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do you still have att gs note i717? i see you have both n7000 and i717. probably thats why you told us your decision was easy for moving to the n7000 to i717 even you still have i717, but if you didn't have the i717 then it would be hard for you to make a decide. if you don't have present i717 then i am wrong.
sorry for my bad english.
Yeah you are correct i do still have the at&t version but i haven't touched it since getting the n7000 version. I have only had this version for a week but i have had the at&t version since pre sale release on February 17th and i just haven't had the chance to list it to sell it yet. So yeah it probably did make my decision much easier but that gives me the opportunity to pass that on that opinion on to someone in your situation and maybe help you decide.
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I just wanted to add this. While NFC may see pretty lame right now, for those that are security conscious, that is going to change this summer. As long as you get it enabled by changing ROMs, you will be able to use YubiCo's new NFC enabled security tokens, which will be fully integrated with LastPass. Check those out.
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Yeah you are correct i do still have the at&t version but i haven't touched it since getting the n7000 version. I have only had this version for a week but i have had the at&t version since pre sale release on February 17th and i just haven't had the chance to list it to sell it yet. So yeah it probably did make my decision much easier but that gives me the opportunity to pass that on that opinion on to someone in your situation and maybe help you decide.
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ah cool. so how speed is internet on n7000?
Probably the worst section for this kind of question , but not sure where to post it anyway. My friend wants to buy a SGS2 LTE , so I was wondering , what are the real advantages of that phone over the international SGS2 ( if any ). From what I can see it has a bit of beefed up specs, the hardware is really nice and everything , but what use of it, if there isn't a single custom rom for it ? I mean, me , I couldn't live without HydrogenICS ( thank you Paradoxxx!!! )...
So... just your opinions ... state them... SGS2 LTE. worth it ? or not ?
The Galaxy S2 LTE has a larger 4.5 screen and a LTE radio for theoretical faster mobile network speeds. The Galaxy S2 (international) has a 1.2 ghz Exynos CPU and Mali-400 GPU which is a superior chipset then the S3 chipset found in the Galaxy S2 LTE even though it is clocked higher at 1.5ghz. This translates in a more faster and fluid experience and better performance in gaming. However the difference is usually negligible.
I just got the international version of the SIII. I was wondering if I should return it and get the AT&T version because some people say that it is faster graphics and memory wise, and that even though it's dual core it has a newer processor architecture (A9 vs A15). I want to know which one really has the better graphics performance and per-thread performance, just overall which one is more powerful in the end. I dont care about network speeds.
CAN YOU PLEASE USE THE DAMN SEARCH FUNCTION BEFORE POSTING?
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because some people say that it is faster graphics and memory wise
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It has more memory (2GB vs 1GB) but a slower graphic engine. Note that slower is a relative term; the speed differences may be neglectable in most real-world applications, but synthetic benchmarks do show them.
it has a newer processor architecture (A9 vs A15).
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Yes. However none of the new features (such as Virtualization) are even used.
Note that an architecture doesn't say anything about the CPU itself since Samsung has heavily modified the ARM design.
Also note that the US-version is dualcore at ~1.5Ghz with the Exynos (international) is 4core clocked at 1.4Ghz.
The Exynos is also produced with a newer technology called High-K metal gate which allows higher clock speeds with less power consumption as compared to the old production technology used on the Dualcore version.
My best guess is that everything you'll want to do will just run fine on both versions, but the international one definitively has more horsepower.
The US-version with it's 2GB of RAM should be better for multitasking tough.
I got the international version and I think I made a good decision getting the international version.
Thanks so much. I looked around but couldn't find exactly what I was looking for there was always people saying the Snapdragon S4 was better, but i didn't know if they just meant battery/data wise or what. Thanks for the clarification though. So far I am loving my International version.
I have only used dumb-phones until now and plan to get a smartphone.
I did a little surfing and found Adreno 320 is better than Mali 400 GPU and Qualcomm Snapdragons are better than Samsung Exynos, right?
But in real world they say Note 2 is considered better phone than Nexus 4. I don't understand this.
Different phones top in different benchmarks, and still some things like display quality are not considered in benchmarks i guess, right?
Now I haven't used any smartphone before, and the I would be using it for gaming or watching videos/movies only most of the time as I'm a student.
Which of these phones that I mentioned (all in 23-29,000 INR range) are better than others in reality?
Those who have used these phones or are techsavy might be able to guide me in making the right choice
Just found S3 in India has different specs than in US, Canada etc.
India: 1.4 Ghz Quad-core Exynos 4412,Mali-400,1GB
US: 1.5 Ghz Dual-core Snapdragon, Adreno 225,2GB
Which S3 is better?
sher_dil said:
I have only used dumb-phones until now and plan to get a smartphone.
I did a little surfing and found Adreno 320 is better than Mali 400 GPU and Qualcomm Snapdragons are better than Samsung Exynos, right?
But in real world they say Note 2 is considered better phone than Nexus 4. I don't understand this.
Different phones top in different benchmarks, and still some things like display quality are not considered in benchmarks i guess, right?
Now I haven't used any smartphone before, and the I would be using it for gaming or watching videos/movies only most of the time as I'm a student.
Which of these phones that I mentioned (all in 23-29,000 INR range) are better than others in reality?
Those who have used these phones or are techsavy might be able to guide me in making the right choice
Just found S3 in India has different specs than in US, Canada etc.
India: 1.4 Ghz Quad-core Exynos 4412,Mali-400,1GB
US: 1.5 Ghz Dual-core Snapdragon, Adreno 225,2GB
Which S3 is better?
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The US version is btr in this case. Based on wat is ur requirements. U dun multi task much so u dun nid tat much cores. And more ram is btr.
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