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I picked up my Galaxy SII after seeing the disappointing specs on the iPhone 4S. But today I read preliminary benchmarks and it smokes the SII.
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How can a 800 mhz cpu beat the SII's 1.2 ghz processor?
I am confused. Am I missing something?
026TB4U said:
I picked up my Galaxy SII after seeing the disappointing specs on the iPhone 4S. But today I read preliminary benchmarks and it smokes the SII.
Sorry, unable to post a link yet.
How can a 800 mhz cpu beat the SII's 1.2 ghz processor?
I am confused. Am I missing something?
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Because benchmarks don't mean jack ****.
Look at how Quadrant scores are all over the damned place with no correspondence to actual usability.
its all about the software. I expect some good gains when moving over to ICS.
Edit, corrected iPhone processor family name.
Trying to benchmark across different operating systems and hardware is not easy to accomplish, but I can tell you that an (Apple A5) A9 800 mhz duel core Samsung processor is not faster than (Exynos) A9 1.2 ghz duel core Samsung processor.
Yes both phones processors are made by Samsung
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Entropy512 said:
Because benchmarks don't mean jack ****.
Look at how Quadrant scores are all over the damned place with no correspondence to actual usability.
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dayv said:
Trying to benchmark across different operating systems and hardware is not easy to accomplish, but I can tell you that an A5 800 mhz duel core Samsung processor is not faster than A9 1.2 ghz duel core Samsung processor.
Yes both phones processors are made by Samsung
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This is true but your wording is a bit confusing. An "Apple A5" processor is a dual core a9 processor with a powervr 543mp2 gpu. An A5 processor is an Arm core made for ultra low power. Basically both the apple a5 and the exynos processor have have the same processor architecture but there are many other factors that can influence performance like the GPU, memory, cache, decoders, ect. In this case i think the main discrepancy will be the software thats so different between the two.
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This is true but your wording is a bit confusing. An "Apple A5" processor is a dual core a9 processor with a powervr 543mp2 gpu. An A5 processor is an Arm core made for ultra low power. Basically both the apple a5 and the exynos processor have have the same processor architecture but there are many other factors that can influence performance like the GPU, memory, cache, decoders, ect. In this case i think the main discrepancy will be the software thats so different between the two.
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I did not doubt that both processors were of the same type and architecture, but I did not realize that apple A5 was just an apple brand and that both processors were A9. Both are still Samsung family processor one clocked at 800 mhz one clocked at 1.2 GHz
Thank you for the correction
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The iPhone is probably utilizing the processor to it's full extent, while Gingerbread (and Android in general) does a terrible job of utilizing the power of the hardware.
ICS should see a nice performance increase on dual cores.
OP is probably refering to the benchmark for gaming. It's not the processor that lacks on GS2. If iPhone 4S does come with the same A5 as iPad2, its GPU will smoke Mali400 in GS2 in almost every benchmark test (in most benchmarks, it is twice as fast as Mali400). Just checkout the review of Internationl GS2 by Anandtech.com with benchmark comparison of GS2 vs iPad2 and other smartphones. It is not the Quadrant or Linkpack benchmark but rather the professional benchmarks measuring fill rates and triangle thoughputs etc.
Processor performance wise, it is probably a wash because both are based on the same ARM design.
Although I do agree that benchmarks are just benchmarks, I am still surprised.
Is it true that Gingerbread only utilizes one cpu? And will Ice Cream Sandwich utilize both?
And BTW, I am by no means an Apple fanboy. I had been waiting for this phone to come out to replace my dinosaur BB 9000, so I wouldn't have to get an iPhone and deal with iTunes.
iOS5 > gingerbread. Sad but true.
Hope ICS comes out soon. It seems to be on par from what I hear.
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I think I saw the benchmark in question - it was a GPU-heavy benchmark for a workload that most users won't experience 99% of the time. (It was a GPU-bound OpenGL benchmark. The GPU of the iPhone 4S IS faster than ours for 3D work - but unless you do lots of 3D gaming, it's wasted. Also, 3D is kind of a waste on a 3.5" screen.)
Apple has an extremely long history of misleading the public with selective benchmarking. Back in the Pentium II or III days, they claimed one of their machines was twice as fast as an Intel machine clocked at least 50% higher. While I agree that MHz isn't everything, there's a limit to that. In that case, on a single Photoshop benchmark that was optimized for PowerPC by using AltiVec and running non-optimized on the Intel chip (despite an optimized MMX or SSE implementation being available), the Apple did better - and Apple used that to try and make users believe the machine was twice as fast for all workloads.
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Is it true that Gingerbread only utilizes one cpu? And will Ice Cream Sandwich utilize both?
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It is true.
I guess the benchmarking was for the javascript using safari browser. So it's apple vs oranges. Also completely 2 different OS. Let's run quadrant if it's available for iOS the see how it handles. In the mean time enjoy the best and fastest smartphone currently in the market no matter what other says.
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It could be ten times faster than a GII, but it still has a 3.5" screen, and I-jail. My wife and kids have Iphone 4's and there is no way I would trade no matter how fast this new one is.
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It could be ten times faster than a GII, but it still has a 3.5" screen, and I-jail. My wife and kids have Iphone 4's and there is no way I would trade no matter how fast this new one is.
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Except for the wife and kids part(I have neither) this. Very much this.
Just ran the SunSpider Javascript on CM7.1. Results seem to be quite a bit better than the ones I see posted on AnandTech. Obviously they were running the GS2 stock but I was surprised to see my numbers so low. Also did the GLBenchmark and while the Egypt was slower, the Pro was faster on CM7.1. Coin flip to me it seems...
Those are just plain synthetic benchmark, what does it mean for RL usage? not a damn thing.
You think all the fashionnista who's buying iphone 4s gonna care how fast their CPU are?
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its all about the software. I expect some good gains when moving over to ICS.
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That's the problem with android; it is always wait for the next version of software, it'll be better then. How about making a good version now?
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arctia said:
iOS5 > gingerbread. Sad but true.
Hope ICS comes out soon. It seems to be on par from what I hear.
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Are you high and drunk?? As far as I'm aware, iOS5 is just playing catch up to Android. There isn't one feature that they implemented that hasn't already been introduced in Android since the Froyo days.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUEG7kQegSA&feature=share
Does anyone else notice that the graphics in games on the S3 really suck?!! I have played Homerun 3D on my Nexus and it looked great but on the S3, it's pixilated and doesn't look so good. Does anyone else notice the same issue with games you play? Is there anything we can do (I suspect not)? All this RAM is great and all but I'd like a better graphical experience when playing games on this beast.
Any other graphic issues...post then here and share. :good:
Well the short answer is for high end mobile gaming you don't have the strongest phone available. The GPU in the US version that is included in the Qualcomm S4 Krait is the Adreno 225. It is no slouch but the Mali 400 which is included in the International S3 is stronger overall.
My question to you(anyone reading) is Should we expect every top end phone to perform admirably in games by default?
I would like to think not. That is a category for devices such as Playstation Vita and Nintendo DSi.
From the reviews I have seen online though there was no perceivable difference between the US and International GSIII when playing games, but of course there will be some games that use the hardware differently and will exploit potential bottlenecks. Synthetic benchmarks will also favor the raw horsepower of the International variant at times, other times not so much. Anything heavily relying on the GPU will favor the International variant.
Remember this device is brand spanking new and running early code. There are many many months of updates and improvements to come. The truth is by most accounts (other than biased fanboys who will no doubt jump on this) with the newer A15 based architecture Krait CPU, 2GB of ram and LTE, you got the better long term solution in a handset compared to the older A9 based Exynos in the International variant. Your handset in my humble opinion but based on the actual hardware capability will perform better a year from now for instance that the International, in things other than gaming.
Bottom Line:
If playing games on your phone is really important to you, you may want to consider trading for a different device.
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Well the short answer is for high end mobile gaming you don't have the strongest phone available. The GPU in the US version that is included in the Qualcomm S4 Krait is the Adreno 225. It is no slouch but the Mali 400 which is included in the International S3 is stronger overall.
My question to you(anyone reading) is Should we expect every top end phone to perform admirably in games by default?
I would like to think not. That is a category for devices such as Playstation Vita and Nintendo DSi.
From the reviews I have seen online though there was no perceivable difference between the US and International GSIII when playing games, but of course there will be some games that use the hardware differently and will exploit potential bottlenecks. Synthetic benchmarks will also favor the raw horsepower of the International variant at times, other times not so much. Anything heavily relying on the GPU will favor the International variant.
Remember this device is brand spanking new and running early code. There are many many months of updates and improvements to come. The truth is by most accounts (other than biased fanboys who will no doubt jump on this) with the newer A15 based architecture Krait CPU, 2GB of ram and LTE, you got the better long term solution in a handset compared to the older A9 based Exynos in the International variant. Your handset in my humble opinion but based on the actual hardware capability will perform better a year from now for instance that the International, in things other than gaming.
Bottom Line:
If playing games on your phone is really important to you, you may want to consider trading for a different device.
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How is this relevant to his comparison? First off yes the adreno 225 isn't the top dog but it DESTROYS the gpu in the omap 4460.
As far as the ops question - email the developer to see if your device is supported yet. The S3 is brand new and not every device is supported yet. The omap 4 series was hugely popular so most games support it very nicely. The snapdragon s4 chip has won ton of NA design wins so with in a month or so you should see great support.
For the love of god.... Let the gpu comparison go. Mali is better but adreno is still faster than any other chip set out there (not sure about new ipad)
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benefit14snake said:
How is this relevant to his comparison? First off yes the adreno 225 isn't the top dog but it DESTROYS the gpu in the omap 4460.
As far as the ops question - email the developer to see if your device is supported yet. The S3 is brand new and not every device is supported yet. The omap 4 series was hugely popular so most games support it very nicely. The snapdragon s4 chip has won ton of NA design wins so with in a month or so you should see great support.
For the love of god.... Let the gpu comparison go. Mali is better but adreno is still faster than any other chip set out there (not sure about new ipad)
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What????
I gave a very relevant example of a comparative device that would perform better in games. That's how it's relevant, more relevant that comparing it to the OMAP 4460. He would probably like to have better gaming performance but still have the things he likes about his current phone....the International GSIII with the Mali400 GPU is the best pick to fit that bill.
I don't understand your confusion or your obvious angst. Everything said was comprehensively on topic and constructive.
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What????
I gave a very relevant example of a comparative device that would perform better in games. That's how it's relevant.
I don't understand your confusion or your obvious angst. Everything said was comprehensively on topic and constructive.
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The comparison of the Mali gpu and adreno has nothing to do with his problem. This issue has been beat to death over and over again. If he is having issues it isn't because his gpu can not handle it. It's because either the app hasn't been updated. Or maybe he changed his build prop (some roms do this) and the app is taking it out of native resolution.
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The comparison of the Mali gpu and adreno has nothing to do with his problem. This issue has been beat to death over and over again. If he is having issues it isn't because his gpu can not handle it. It's because either the app hasn't been updated. Or maybe he changed his build prop (some roms do this) and the app is taking it out of native resolution.
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Well in my original post I also mentioned the fact that these devices are running early code and updates could improve performance.....I don't understand why giving him the next best option, and the reasons why is such a big deal.
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Well in my original post I also mentioned the fact that these devices are running early code and updates could improve performance.....I don't understand why giving him the next best option, and the reasons why is such a big deal.
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I'm not going to turn this into a flame war.
Op - check with the developer if stock and await a response. If you are running a rom check within the rom developers original post to see if there were build prop changes, and if so go back to stock (if this game is important to you)
You can also try a reinstall as it looks like the game may only look at the build prop on the original run. I installed it myself and it looked good but I also didn't compare it to a nexus.
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I have HomeRunBattle3D on my stock GS3 and it bats it out of the park!
(sorry)
I realize I didn't by a gaming device but I just thought that the graphics would at least be on par with the Nexus. Thank you for pointing out about the updates and such, I forgot about that. Maybe developers will optimize some of their apps for the S3 the more popular it gets.
I attached a screenshot from my phone of the game I was playing. Look at the skyline and the pixelisation. That is what I was talking about. It's kinda choppy when you hit a home run...not as smooth like it was on Nexus. All in all though...no big deal really. I just wondered why it was like that is all. Great discussion though!! Thank you!! :good:
I get a snag here and there with every game I play.
what is going on here? samsung is going to launch a galaxy s III with a quad-core processor, 4G LTE and a huge 2GB RAM in Korea!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why they are doing this? why we are not getting these super features with the International version of galaxy s III?
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what is going on here? samsung is going to launch a galaxy s III with a quad-core processor, 4G LTE and a huge 2GB RAM in Korea!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why they are doing this? why we are not getting these super features with the International version of galaxy s III?
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1. Most countries aside from the US and Canada (and countries in Asia) don't have LTE.
2. The 2GB of RAM is negligible unless you're a super-multitasker.
3. The way they got the LTE radio to work with the Exynos is by separating it from the SoC, which will result in very poor battery life. In the US models, which also do LTE and have 2GB of RAM, the phone uses the Snapdragon S4 SoC, not Exynos, which results in better battery life at the loss of raw power.
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1. Most countries aside from the US and Canada (and countries in Asia) don't have LTE.
2. The 2GB of RAM is negligible unless you're a super-multitasker.
3. The way they got the LTE radio to work with the Exynos is by separating it from the SoC, which will resort in very poor battery life. In the US models, which also do LTE and have 2GB of RAM, the phone uses the Snapdragon S4 SoC, not Exynos, which results in better battery life at the loss of raw power.
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what do you think? will 2GB RAM boost the speed of s III? mean, will it help to run high graphics games smoother than the International version of s III?
No
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This completely uninformed and un-knowledgeable post makes me sad
RAM does not affect speed positively, only negatively if you have too little (like if you tried running Ice Cream Sandwich on a G1/HTC Dream). RAM only affects the amount of applications you can have open at once, which is not a huge deal given that 1GB of RAM is a lot already, and Android (which is Linux) has fantastic memory management.
Now, I know you're going to go into your Task Manager and then come here and post, "BUT I ONLY HAVE LIKE _____ MB RAM FREE!". In Linux, free RAM is wasted RAM; the OS will load applications into memory to fill it up BUT that doesn't mean they're running. They'll start up faster when you use them, but they won't use battery when you're not. So even if you got the 2GB version, most of it would still be filled by the OS.
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This completely uninformed and un-knowledgeable post makes me sad
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Are you here now too
Get used to it. Sgs3 forum manages to knock down the average xda iq quite a bit.
Not so much a dig at this op... this is quite mild
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bortak said:
This completely uninformed and un-knowledgeable post makes me sad
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are you asking me to inform you before posting a thread????????
Product F(RED) said:
RAM does not affect speed positively, only negatively if you have too little (like if you tried running Ice Cream Sandwich on a G1/HTC Dream). RAM only affects the amount of applications you can have open at once, which is not a huge deal given that 1GB of RAM is a lot already, and Android (which is Linux) has fantastic memory management.
Now, I know you're going to go into your Task Manager and then come here and post, "BUT I ONLY HAVE LIKE _____ MB RAM FREE!". In Linux, free RAM is wasted RAM; the OS will load applications into memory to fill it up BUT that doesn't mean they're running. They'll start up faster when you use them, but they won't use battery when you're not. So even if you got the 2GB version, most of it would still be filled by the OS.
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thanks for your information. I've got it now.:good: can you please make me understand that how samsung make a 4G LTE supported quad-core processor in a short time?
Normally, everything (RAM, CPU, GPU, DAC, Radios) are on one chip called an SoC (System on a Chip). Samsung put a separate 4G LTE radio in the phone, which talks to the SoC when it's being used. To clarify, when you say Exynos, you're talking about the SoC; that's what Samsung's is called. Snapdragon and Tegra III are other SoC's. But anyways, they put a separate (not on the SoC) LTE radio in there to make them be able to talk to each other, BUT it results in much less battery life since the phone has to power several components at once instead of one chip with everything on it.
This isn't the first time they've done this. The Tab 7.7 on Verizon (4G LTE) here in the US has the same Exynos dual-core as the Galaxy S II, but it has separate radio as well. The separate 4G LTE radio must have its own co-processor of some kind to process the information that the Exynos can't.
I have read many specs showing the Denver having a massive CPU performance.
However, all of these are "Single Core" performances @3Ghz.
Multi core performance, is just, on par with quad core benchmarks.
However, when I am multitasking, is this going to be a serious issue, with all the overhead of context switching and stuff, especially since Nexus 9 is clocking this at 2.3Ghz (a massive 25% reduction from benchmarks)? I mean, quad core is quad core. Single CPU performance can only do so much.
From the looks of things it'll pull it's weight for multi core loads as well. The only thing that out performs it on multi core workloads is the Galaxy Note 4, and even then it's not by much.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Nexu...gra-K1-outperforms-Apple-iPhone-6s-A8_id61825
WisdomWolf said:
From the looks of things it'll pull it's weight for multi core loads as well. The only thing that out performs it on multi core workloads is the Galaxy Note 4, and even then it's not by much.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Nexu...gra-K1-outperforms-Apple-iPhone-6s-A8_id61825
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Thanks. This should be enough to do pretty much anything seamlessly. I am primarily interested in graphics performance, one reason being the QHD screen, and that is mind blowing anyway.
Don't know why they removed 4K recording, as the CPU and GPU can handle it.
There might be a mod for it in the very near future? 4k
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There might be a mod for it in the very near future? 4k
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I sure hope so!
Far_SighT said:
one reason being the QHD screen, and that is mind blowing anyway.
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QXGA (2048 x 1536), not QHD (2560x1440). Close enough though, only about a half million pixels difference between the two.
Multicore performance doesn't matter much in real world scenarios.
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QXGA (2048 x 1536), not QHD (2560x1440). Close enough though, only about a half million pixels difference between the two.
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Thanks. You are indeed correct. I was just looking at Nexus 6 and note 4 and "missed" it. Besides, that half a million pixel difference (actually 540672), is only 17.19%, so The Tegra K1 won't notice it anyway
And now I'm unsure. Why would they put a lower resolution in N9, when they are putting QHD in N6?
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And now I'm unsure. Why would they put a lower resolution in N9, when they are putting QHD in N6?
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same with ram.
Maybe the price would be to high, like it already is?
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I have read many specs showing the Denver having a massive CPU performance.
However, all of these are "Single Core" performances @3Ghz.
Multi core performance, is just, on par with quad core benchmarks.
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It is really impressive to see a dual core getting the same performance as a quad core in multi-threading tasks, shows just how powerful the cores are. I dont think it is a setback really since it isnt performing a lot worse, and single thread gets such a large boost. This is Nvidia's first every CPU core, and it is really impressive. I am sure we will see a quad core version next generation or so when they can make the processor on a smaller node.
Being that Android L doesn't appear to have multi-window or floating-window multi-tasking, I don't think the lack of a quad-core is a big issue. Many Macbook Airs and Surface Pros have been running dual-core forever (even current models), and you could argue that people do far more multi-tasking on those full desktop OS's than an Android tablet.
Also, related, Antutu benchmark of the N9 from the other thread - http://i.imgur.com/c6b57dT.jpg
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Maybe the price would be to high, like it already is?
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same with ram.
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More likely, they are trying to match it with Apple's iPad Air 2, which seems reasonable.
However, they probably should have gone with 1080p in N6. That is wayyy overpriced.
I would have preferred to get a QHD in N9 and QXGA in N6, which would have given N9 an edge.
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Being that Android L doesn't appear to have multi-window or floating-window multi-tasking, I don't think the lack of a quad-core is a big issue. Many Macbook Airs and Surface Pros have been running dual-core forever (even current models), and you could argue that people do far more multi-tasking on those full desktop OS's than an Android tablet.
Also, related, Antutu benchmark of the N9 from the other thread - http://i.imgur.com/c6b57dT.jpg
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I am actually waiting for an A8X vs N9 (Denver) benchmark as I read stuff like "they turn off graphics features on Android despite more powerful hardware".
If the above holds true though, I'll probably get N9.
There's too much misinformation around and once I get my unit I will have about 28 days to decide if to keep it or skip this generation, I would like to use this thread to build evidence on how good or bad the international version of this device is, if Samsung scammed 90% of the world then they don't deserve our money.
I'm getting mixed feelings about this chip, In speed test G the 855 beats it by a huge margin, so most people went back spitting at it for being a badly optimized SoC.
Anandtech's Comparisons Show super disappointing scores for the S10 Exynos version, but many of the scores presented make no sense, with older hardware of the same OEM scoring better than the newest, I don't know how much to believe that review and I hope it is fake or badly executed, to my interest, my pre-order comes with the Exynos version and there's no way to have warranty on a 855 in the UK.
Then, the positive evidence we have is that it beats every other released phone on the market in battery usage, there's no such video about the 855 yet so we can't compare them, but that's all I found about the battery of this chip.
In a S10+ vs iPhone XS Max, the S10+ again Exynos beats the iPhone on almost every application, I didn't expect that to happen since it almost never happened, the apps are supposedly the same most of the time and they might as well have completely different algorithms to do the same task done superficially, but generally iOS apps are cleaner inside and their developers have higher standards of work, so how can Exynos be THAT much better?
From what I see the Exynos 9820 is not as what is perceived here on XDA....
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From what I see the Exynos 9820 is not as what is perceived here on XDA....
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And that's a demo unit with 6GB of ram, there are even higher benchmarks with real ones around:
https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/12211126
But everyone is dismissing Geekbench as "not reliable", and in a way it is not reliable since it doesn't demonstrate the effectiveness of a good scheduler, even the crappiest ones will be pushed to maximum performance once geekbench runs, we need more comparisons with other tools.
it is a solid fact that the Exynos is much faster than anything else in single core performance except the apple A12 and is much faster than the SD855 , while the SD855 is faster in multi core but no by much,
my only concern with the exynos is the stuttering and frame drops and the smoothness overall , i don't care about benchmarks really , and the S10 is ultra fast in launching apps already in both the exynos and SD855 , but the main concern as i mentioned is the smoothness which i think will be related to how the KERNEL will handle & is optimized and if was targeting performance or targeting efficiency only.