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I finally found a comparable tegra 2 bench posted online in a droid x 2 review, both devices have a qHD screen. It's looking like the hardware we have here isn't particularly impressive, and let's not even go there with the Galaxy s 2 *shudder*, it's a massacre.
I was to understand that the Qualcomm/Adreno setup was going to at least be competitive, and was supposed to be all out superior to Tegra 2. Can anyone shed some light on this?
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I finally found a comparable tegra 2 bench posted online in a droid x 2 review, both devices have a qHD screen. It's looking like the hardware we have here isn't particularly impressive, and let's not even go there with the Galaxy s 2 *shudder*, it's a massacre.
I was to understand that the Qualcomm/Adreno setup was going to at least be competitive, and was supposed to be all out superior to Tegra 2. Can anyone shed some light on this?
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I don't look at benchmarks too much... but it can download n' upload like a God that's its power tool
My overlocked 1.5 Ghz tegra 2 lags behind my EVO 3D but it scores 900 more points in quadrant so my epeen feels alright. Seriously most of these benchmarks are not coded well.
I think the 3vo uses only one core with quadrant. You have to use a dual core benchmark test like CF Bench for better results. Then again benchmarks really don't mean much.
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Benchmarks are nearly useless measures.
Using benchmarks to determine real world performance is like licking your finger and sticking it up in the air to determine how fast the wind is moving.
Yeah, it'll put you roughly in the ballpark--roughly. But that ''ballpark'' is big enough to drive a couple dump trucks through...
Both the droid x2 and the galaxy s2 aren't running sense, which usually drags down bench marks even though the phone is silky smooth. Benchmarks may be useful for testing modifications on the same phone, but not for comparing different phones. Just ask yourself... Does it seem to suffer to you?
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Who gives a #$% about benchmarks, all I know is that this thing is fast, way faster than the EVO. I have a gTablet (tegra 2, Honeycomb) that runs games very well and this 3VO runs the same games but only smoother and faster, no hiccups at all. Totally happy here and I have like 200 apps on this thing and I have like 280 megs left.
Oh, and my gTablet is clocked to 1.5ghz!
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Who gives a #$% about benchmarks, all I know is that this thing is fast, way faster than the EVO. I have a gTablet (tegra 2, Honeycomb) that runs games very well and this 3VO runs the same games but only smoother and faster, no hiccups at all. Totally happy here and I have like 200 apps on this thing and I have like 280 megs left.
Oh, and my gTablet is clocked to 1.5ghz!
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Seriously my Tegra 2 Transformer has nothing on my EVO 3D. Why people look only at benchmarks and not what is in front of them I have no clue.
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Both the droid x2 and the galaxy s2 aren't running sense, which usually drags down bench marks even though the phone is silky smooth. Benchmarks may be useful for testing modifications on the same phone, but not for comparing different phones. Just ask yourself... Does it seem to suffer to you?
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I've actually never had an AOSP rom run all that much faster than a Sense rom. Enough of a variance to say that there isn't a difference at all.
Like many others have pointed out. Quadrants is a terrible bench for dualcore phones until it's updated. When it reads off a bunch of question marks as the evo3ds CPU, CPU speed,etc. You know its not going to be a reliable test.
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Go to anand-tech for the Adreno 220 benches... It crushed the competition so maybe that'll make you feel better.
1 possible reason why the EVO 3D isn't scoring as high as you expect is because I think the benchmark tests don't utilize CPU's with asynchonous dual cores correctly.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Galaxy uses synchonous cores which mean they can only work on the same thing at the same time, they can't work on separate operations at the same time.
The EVO 3D has asynchonous cores which allow for true multitasking meaning each core will work on separate tasks. As I understand it, support for this type of CPU is going to be added in Android 2.4 and later, but don't quote me on that.
LOL @ benchmarks
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Go to anand-tech for the Adreno 220 benches... It crushed the competition so maybe that'll make you feel better.
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Any similar comparisons to the exynos/mali(?) that the sgs 2 is packing?
Some of the above statements about asynchronous processing do make me feel better if true.
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Any similar comparisons to the exynos/mali(?) that the sgs 2 is packing?
Some of the above statements about asynchronous processing do make me feel better if true.
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Why not feel good in the first place?
This phone screams. You're comparing it to a Moto phone with Tegra 2 which will likely be one of the last new phones with Tegra 2. Enjoy the 3D. By the time something comes around to crush it, we'll be into 4 core territory, or Android will be updated to better support multiple cores (if I remember right, this was only really started for 3.0).
I'll agree the SGS2 seems like a killer but I'll take HTC build quality over Samsung any day of the week. Plus, let's see Exynos pushing qHD.
No I hear you. Truth is that there probably won't be any software written for quite sometime that is going to really push our current hardware. Besides I upgrade every year or so anyway, making future proofing less of an issue for me.
It's the principle of the thing.
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No I hear you. Truth is that there probably won't be any software written for quite sometime that is going to really push our current hardware. Besides I upgrade every year or so anyway, making future proofing less of an issue for me.
It's the principle of the thing.
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I hear ya too, but you gotta try not to get caught up in numbers. Numbers can be manipulated. Manufacturers can tune their phones to perform better in Quadrant (this can also be done with custom ROMs; when it is, performance in other categories suffers). AMD and Intel still participate in this ePeen warfare.
I won't be surprised if we see that Evo 3D outperforms the Tegra Moto overall.
The good thing is, we will eventually see this thing rooted completely (hopefully not after it's lost most of its luster). THEN we will see what we can push out of this phone. Look how fast it's running sense. Imagine a vanilla Android experience on it, or an overclock to say, 1.8 GHz (which will probably happen). I dunno about you but I'm salivating.
Ok, the only benchmark I need to know is that my phone boots up from "off" in 10-12 seconds. Base your satisfaction on a constant, not on relativism.
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1 possible reason why the EVO 3D isn't scoring as high as you expect is because I think the benchmark tests don't utilize CPU's with asynchonous dual cores correctly.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Galaxy uses synchonous cores which mean they can only work on the same thing at the same time, they can't work on separate operations at the same time.
The EVO 3D has asynchonous cores which allow for true multitasking meaning each core will work on separate tasks. As I understand it, support for this type of CPU is going to be added in Android 2.4 and later, but don't quote me on that.
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Should be no difference to code for asynchronous or synchronous. The cores will run at full speed if they're pushed. Quadrant scores are more based on database read and write speeds than anything.
I've owned many many phones, and this one is by far the most fluid (although I have not had hands on with the Galaxy SII, but I hate Samsung's software)
I haven't run into a case where the phone stutters, have you?
I believe in the Anandtech benchmarks, they used a developer phone that has the same qualcomm chipset running at the stock 1.5ghz, while our phones were downclocked to 1.2ghz.
They might have done this for various reasons, it would be interesting to see how our phones overclock and if there's any changes in battery life.
X10 is garbage! this is outrageous!
Yes really, they got it working, you want it so bad try porting it yourself
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cry about it?
if you want it so bad for your phone, learn to port it yourself. until then, since you rely solely on other peoples' hard work and sweat, shut up and be patient.
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cry about it?
if you want it so bad for your phone, learn to port it yourself. until then, since you rely solely on other peoples' hard work and sweat, shut up and be patient.
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Oh snap. That was awesome.
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I might start to look into trying to port it this weekend
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I might start to look into trying to port it this weekend
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Good news man
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Being that there are currently no EGL libs for anything except PowerVR SGX devices under ICS yet, and they're closed source and tightly dependent on the kernel there doesn't seem to be a huge point until the official updates start to hit for a range of devices.
Sure, Desire, HD, X10, N1 have ports of a sort at the moment, in fact there shouldn't be too many problems getting them working aside from the graphics drivers but they're just for fun with the framebuffer driver given how much of ICS' UI rendering is done with GPU acceleration in mind. You wouldn't want to use it day-to-day. The browser is surprisingly responsive on the Desire though (I'd say moreso than GB, despite the software rendering), as is the Market (the new one always lagged really badly for me on the Desire before) - glimmers of hope for ICS' eventual performance on older devices. The keyboard lags like you wouldn't believe though!
The Atrix should fly under 4.0.1 though, if it ever happens - bearing in mind the fact that the SGX 540 in the Galaxy Nexus is pretty much in a dead heat with Tegra 2's GPU, we've got a lower resolution screen, and can overclock past the its stock speeds.
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Its turning out to be harder then i though... I think no one will get it until offical updates come out for other phones
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Being that there are currently no EGL libs for anything except PowerVR SGX devices under ICS yet, and they're closed source and tightly dependent on the kernel there doesn't seem to be a huge point until the official updates start to hit for a range of devices.
Sure, Desire, HD, X10, N1 have ports of a sort at the moment, in fact there shouldn't be too many problems getting them working aside from the graphics drivers but they're just for fun with the framebuffer driver given how much of ICS' UI rendering is done with GPU acceleration in mind. You wouldn't want to use it day-to-day. The browser is surprisingly responsive on the Desire though (I'd say moreso than GB, despite the software rendering), as is the Market (the new one always lagged really badly for me on the Desire before) - glimmers of hope for ICS' eventual performance on older devices. The keyboard lags like you wouldn't believe though!
The Atrix should fly under 4.0.1 though, if it ever happens - bearing in mind the fact that the SGX 540 in the Galaxy Nexus is pretty much in a dead heat with Tegra 2's GPU, we've got a lower resolution screen, and can overclock past the its stock speeds.
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So EGL = gpu driver? If thats the only setback, would it be possible to get an ICS rom with software rendering as a proof of concept, or are there other pieces missing?
GB/CM7 is pretty good on the Atrix, if we dont see ICS for a few months it doesn't hurt us in any way. I'd like to think most of us can be patient if we lack the skills to help.
I noticed the Captivate got a port of it too since i9000 ROMs and Cap ROMs are interchangeable. I thought its funny that it's running on the HD a Windows Mobile 6.5 phone lol. Let's all try to be patient and we will eventually see it.
Edit: not to mention I'm sure if it's not already it will soon be on iPhone too. It seems like iPhones always get the new Android versions kinda early. I'm not sweating it I love my Atrix in its current state.
According to anandtech, Tegra 2 support is essentially ready, so I think as long as nvidia releases the source for ics (libs?), someone will try to port it. Hell, I have a good 5 weeks during break, I might as well try then.
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Being that there are currently no EGL libs for anything except PowerVR SGX devices under ICS yet, and they're closed source and tightly dependent on the kernel there doesn't seem to be a huge point until the official updates start to hit for a range of devices.
Sure, Desire, HD, X10, N1 have ports of a sort at the moment, in fact there shouldn't be too many problems getting them working aside from the graphics drivers but they're just for fun with the framebuffer driver given how much of ICS' UI rendering is done with GPU acceleration in mind. You wouldn't want to use it day-to-day. The browser is surprisingly responsive on the Desire though (I'd say moreso than GB, despite the software rendering), as is the Market (the new one always lagged really badly for me on the Desire before) - glimmers of hope for ICS' eventual performance on older devices. The keyboard lags like you wouldn't believe though!
The Atrix should fly under 4.0.1 though, if it ever happens - bearing in mind the fact that the SGX 540 in the Galaxy Nexus is pretty much in a dead heat with Tegra 2's GPU, we've got a lower resolution screen, and can overclock past the its stock speeds.
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Actually, no, despite being a much older GPU, the SGX 540 found in the GNexus outpaces the Tegra 2 due to its higher clock rate by 7% or 45% depending on the GLBenchmark being run. Both GPU tests were done at 720p resolution. Also, you can't overclock the GPU, only the CPU.
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Actually, no, despite being a much older GPU, the SGX 540 found in the GNexus outpaces the Tegra 2 due to its higher clock rate by 7% or 45% depending on the GLBenchmark being run. Both GPU tests were done at 720p resolution. Also, you can't overclock the GPU, only the CPU.
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Buddy, check out any of the kernels available in the dev thread and you'll see that the GPUs are overclocked.
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I noticed the Captivate got a port of it too since i9000 ROMs and Cap ROMs are interchangeable. I thought its funny that it's running on the HD a Windows Mobile 6.5 phone lol. Let's all try to be patient and we will eventually see it.
Edit: not to mention I'm sure if it's not already it will soon be on iPhone too. It seems like iPhones always get the new Android versions kinda early. I'm not sweating it I love my Atrix in its current state.
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Doubt the iPhone will see ICS, the newest model that can run android as far as I know is the iPhone 3G, which was incredibly slow under Gingerbread.
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X10 is garbage! this is outrageous!
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222 posts and zero thanks? Is this what you do, go around XDA and post useless threads like the guy complaining about returning home early despite nobody asking him to "to get MIUI ported on his grandma's phone"?
Are you guys related by any chance?
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Actually, no, despite being a much older GPU, the SGX 540 found in the GNexus outpaces the Tegra 2 due to its higher clock rate by 7% or 45% depending on the GLBenchmark being run. Both GPU tests were done at 720p resolution. Also, you can't overclock the GPU, only the CPU.
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Depends on the benchmark, yes - texture-heavy rendering tends to perform better on the 540 in the OMAP4460 thanks to it's dual channel memory controller and high clock (and that's probably the directly relevant part to UI rendering to be honest, though as I said - lower resolution screen ) but the Tegra 2 is quite substantially ahead in geometry-heavy rendering (and games on mobiles are starting to move that way now, following the desktop landscape over the past 5 years or so.) Averaged out, the performance of the two is very close.
Plus, as I said, the GPU in my phone is running at 400MHz which ought to even things out in the GLMark 720p tests somewhat even if they are biassed to one architecture or the other. While the GPU in OMAP4460 may overclock just as well from its stock 400MHz, I'm only really concerned that the phone can run as fast as a stock GNexus to maybe skip the next generation of mobile hardware and tide it over until Cortex A15-based SoCs on 28nm process start to emerge with stronger GPUs. I don't really think I'm CPU performance bound with a 1.4GHz dual-core A9 - and increasing the number of equivalent cores without a really substantial boost in GPU horesepower seems worthless right now, even if ICS takes better advantage of SMP (re: Disappointing early Tegra 3 benchmarks - although it does seem GLMark stacks the odds against NVidia GPUs more than other benchmarks?)
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Depends on the benchmark, yes - texture-heavy rendering tends to perform better on the 540 in the OMAP4460 thanks to it's dual channel memory controller and high clock (and that's probably the directly relevant part to UI rendering to be honest, though as I said - lower resolution screen ) but the Tegra 2 is quite substantially ahead in geometry-heavy rendering (and games on mobiles are starting to move that way now, following the desktop landscape over the past 5 years or so.) Averaged out, the performance of the two is very close.
Plus, as I said, the GPU in my phone is running at 400MHz which ought to even things out in the GLMark 720p tests somewhat even if they are biassed to one architecture or the other. While the GPU in OMAP4460 may overclock just as well from its stock 400MHz, I'm only really concerned that the phone can run as fast as a stock GNexus to maybe skip the next generation of mobile hardware and tide it over until Cortex A15-based SoCs on 28nm process start to emerge with stronger GPUs. I don't really think I'm CPU performance bound with a 1.4GHz dual-core A9 - and increasing the number of equivalent cores without a really substantial boost in GPU horesepower seems worthless right now, even if ICS takes better advantage of SMP (re: Disappointing early Tegra 3 benchmarks - although it does seem GLMark stacks the odds against NVidia GPUs more than other benchmarks?)
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I would expect the Tegra to beat a nearly 5 year old GPU, but it only does so in triangle throughput. Tegra just uses a very poor architecture in general. Look at how little actual horsepower it can pull. The Tegra 3 gpu pulls 7.2GFLOPs @300mhz. The iPad GPU and the upcoming Adreno 225 both pull 19.2 GFLOPS at that same clockspeed. I honestly have no idea what the engineers are thinking over atNnvidia. It's almost as bad as AMD's latest bulldozer offerings. It's really more of Tegra's shortcomings than GLMark stacking the odds. PowerVR's offerings from 2007 are keeping up with a chip that debuted in 2010/2011. The Geforce just doesn't seem to scale very well at all on mobile platforms. But yea, all Nvidia did with Tegra 3 was slap in 2 extra cores, clocked them higher, threw in the sorely missed NEON instruction set, increased the SIMDs on the GPU by 50% (8 to 12), and then tacked on a 5th hidden core to help save power. Tegra 3 stayed with the 40nm process whereas every other SoC is dropping down to 28nm with some bringing in a brand new architecture as well.
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I would expect the Tegra to beat a nearly 5 year old GPU, but it only does so in triangle throughput. Tegra just uses a very poor architecture in general. Look at how little actual horsepower it can pull. The Tegra 3 gpu pulls 7.2GFLOPs @300mhz. The iPad GPU and the upcoming Adreno 225 both pull 19.2 GFLOPS at that same clockspeed. I honestly have no idea what the engineers are thinking over atNnvidia. It's almost as bad as AMD's latest bulldozer offerings. It's really more of Tegra's shortcomings than GLMark stacking the odds. PowerVR's offerings from 2007 are keeping up with a chip that debuted in 2010/2011. The Geforce just doesn't seem to scale very well at all on mobile platforms. But yea, all Nvidia did with Tegra 3 was slap in 2 extra cores, clocked them higher, threw in the sorely missed NEON instruction set, increased the SIMDs on the GPU by 50% (8 to 12), and then tacked on a 5th hidden core to help save power. Tegra 3 stayed with the 40nm process whereas every other SoC is dropping down to 28nm with some bringing in a brand new architecture as well.
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Don't you get tired if writing those long rants? We understand you know something about CPU architecture, and that Tegra isn't the best one out there, but damn man, it's the same thing in every thread. Just chill out and try to stay on topic for once
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I would expect the Tegra to beat a nearly 5 year old GPU, but it only does so in triangle throughput. Tegra just uses a very poor architecture in general. Look at how little actual horsepower it can pull. The Tegra 3 gpu pulls 7.2GFLOPs @300mhz. The iPad GPU and the upcoming Adreno 225 both pull 19.2 GFLOPS at that same clockspeed. I honestly have no idea what the engineers are thinking over atNnvidia. It's almost as bad as AMD's latest bulldozer offerings. It's really more of Tegra's shortcomings than GLMark stacking the odds. PowerVR's offerings from 2007 are keeping up with a chip that debuted in 2010/2011. The Geforce just doesn't seem to scale very well at all on mobile platforms. But yea, all Nvidia did with Tegra 3 was slap in 2 extra cores, clocked them higher, threw in the sorely missed NEON instruction set, increased the SIMDs on the GPU by 50% (8 to 12), and then tacked on a 5th hidden core to help save power. Tegra 3 stayed with the 40nm process whereas every other SoC is dropping down to 28nm with some bringing in a brand new architecture as well.
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I think you are not seeing the whole picture...
The Tegra 3 (Et-Al) is not just about its quad core implementation, remember that the GPU will offer 12 cores that will translate in performance not seeing as of yet on any other platform.
Benchmarks don't tell the whole story! Specially those benchmarking tools which are not Tegra 3 optimized yet.
Cheers!
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I noticed the Captivate got a port of it too since i9000 ROMs and Cap ROMs are interchangeable. I thought its funny that it's running on the HD a Windows Mobile 6.5 phone lol. Let's all try to be patient and we will eventually see it.
Edit: not to mention I'm sure if it's not already it will soon be on iPhone too. It seems like iPhones always get the new Android versions kinda early. I'm not sweating it I love my Atrix in its current state.
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LOL I ran all the iDroid ports on my iphone. Not one was even in alpha stage, I would not even count iDroid as a port since you cant use anything on it.
Does anyone have any benchmarks? I want to see some raw speed results of the SGS3's Quad Core Arm Mali-400 MP4 vs the iPhone 5's Triple Core PowerVR SGX543MP3.
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The iPhone 5 looks so unimpressive compared to the SGS3 on all fronts but I'm not seeing any results for the new GPU they're using.
http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare....ple iPhone 5&D2=Samsung GT-I9300 Galaxy S III
The iPhone is roughly twice as fast.
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http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare....ple iPhone 5&D2=Samsung GT-I9300 Galaxy S III
The iPhone is roughly twice as fast.
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Thanks, looks like if mobile gaming is your thing then the iPhone 5 is the way to go if you don't mind the smaller screen, otherwise, the SGS3 seems to beat the iPhone 5 in every area, for me anyway.
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Thanks, looks like if mobile gaming is your thing then the iPhone 5 is the way to go if you don't mind the smaller screen, otherwise, the SGS3 seems to beat the iPhone 5 in every area, for me anyway.
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Even though the i5 doesn't have enough resolution to take advantage of that much power,but the S3 has...
Anyway,it's faster in gpu performance,worse overall for me.
I don,t believe i that test. I ran the same bench here, and everything was running pretty smooth until a warning popped up saying ''vsync enabled''
After that everything became crappy, 11 fps. Every single time i tried the bench. Pretty weird for me. I saw somewhere some complains about wrong results on the test.
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I don,t believe i that test. I ran the same bench here, and everything was running pretty smooth until a warning popped up saying ''vsync enabled''
After that everything became crappy, 11 fps. Every single time i tried the bench. Pretty weird for me. I saw somewhere some complains about wrong results on the test.
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First time I hear of such a thing. GLBenchmark is pretty much the industry standard and one of the most reliable ones out there.
woah that Iphone5 gpu seems dammm powerful if thats correct benchmark result one thing i dont get is why there isnt a result yet for much of the iphone 5 I mean if they were going to give it a test why in the hell wouldnt you do all tests. very strange if you ask me
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woah that Iphone5 gpu seems dammm powerful if thats correct benchmark result one thing i dont get is why there isnt a result yet for much of the iphone 5 I mean if they were going to give it a test why in the hell wouldnt you do all tests. very strange if you ask me
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/6324/the-iphone-5-performance-preview
ip5 gpu just raped the Mali S3 Daymm, But If the SGS3 was released in September I think it would of beat the Ip5 in that department.. And I really do think the I9305 will help the benchmarks slightly and overall performance but thats about it untill the next SGS4... I really think sammy should reallly become future proof in the next S4 especially if they release it before Ip5
I own a I9300 and soon will get the I9305, I have played with the IP5 - I9300 - I9305 the overall feel and ui performance I LOVE the I9300 and especially the I9305.. Not a single stutter. The GS3 just feels better You cant go from android Jelly bean back to IOS its just going backwards and feels so so so DULLL. I recently was watching a movie on 1080P On my HD LG 40Inch connected to my GS3 OMG its unbeleivable simple thing like that made my day lol seriously im happy with the GS3 and will be alittle bit happier with the I9305.. for a while .. I am in no hurry to get another phone after this next one.
Blah still would rather use Android!
Impressive performance indeed. But the OS lets it down severely. It's like having a 800HP motor in Chinese made Cherry. Rather drive a 206 180GT Peugeot. It'll handle those corners unlike the Cherry and the Navigation system works!
So guessing Apple is fragmented now? So many devices to cater for, different screen resolutions etc. They stuffed up maps, so I wonder how screen resolution scaling is working out for the i5?
Seems it might be an iFail for them with the i5 going from reviews. Check out any Apple forum, there is a flood of negative feedback on build quality.. Seems 1/3 phones have visible scratches out of the box. Fingernails scratching paint off the bezel with ease etc.
Gotta feel sorry for there pedantic fans that are focused purely on image. The Apple is rotten, scratched and bruised.
Swyped on I9300 - XXDLIB - Siyah kernel - JKay & Thunderbolt tweaks.
Samsung needs to drop Mali and go PowerVR Their GPU is seriously better in every way
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Samsung needs to drop Mali and go PowerVR Their GPU is seriously better in every way
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Samsung doesn't need to drop Mali. The T-604 in the 5250 will be already be faster than the 543MP3. People tend to forget the Mali-400 and its derivatives are about 3 years old by now. You don't just suddenly change GPU licensee every 6 months because the competition has a temporary performance advantage. Rogue is still far away into next year and we'll also see second generation Vithar architectures from ARM by then.
Powervr seems to always be way ahead of the pack on the gpu side.
Look at the new adreno in the S4 only just about matches the iphone 5 in some benches.
The S4 hasn't been out long and look at how badly it compares.
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Well the na s3 has a better GPU too but would not trade my international one for it.
Besides if it has 3 GPUs of the 543 then the PS Vita has 4 of them. Which is cheaper and has better games!!
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I honestly didn't think iPoop5 would beat GS3 , let alone r*pe it like it did here.
S3 was advertised as the Beast of an Hardware can't believe IP5 smokes it
Who gives a **** even if the SGS3 was twice as fast if the entire experience was not upto scruff,
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Samsung needs to drop Mali and go PowerVR Their GPU is seriously better in every way
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you should be happy to see the older architecture of mali (400mp) still gives a run for money with the new comers in the competition like adreno 320. next gen mali (t604,t658) which will debut soon will give them back the performance crown
I heard the Mali is really weak in the triangle part of the benchmark, and it is obvious seeing the results. I do hope the new mali T604 isnt.
I still don't get why no one uses the a15 architecture in the cpu. Anyway, graphics are always going to be faster on newer chips, that's just how it goes. It is suprising that the other benchmarks aren't beating the S4/Exinos/Tegra. I bet the new Mali, tegra 4, next adrenos are going to be harder to beat.
The thing is that now people who have android flagships have no reason to move to ios and people who want a new super flagship phone should probably just wait till Christmas and get something that beats them all! I really don't see the point of spending all that money on something as locked down and limited as the iphone knowing that it already isn't the king in it's sector. The rest should just buy something like the razr m, al lot cheaper and gives you everthing you' d ever need(the fact that it's not going to be sold in europe really p""""s me off)!
The new lumia on the other hand really sounds nice(hope I don't need to defragment the disk every week with windows phone!).
And still while I right this iphone sales are probably hitting 5 million... people are stupid...
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I heard the Mali is really weak in the triangle part of the benchmark, and it is obvious seeing the results. I do hope the new mali T604 isnt.
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Mali 400 is weak in vertex processing because it has fixed units to do vertex processing (1 unit afaik, the rest for pixel processing) :. But that's not the case with new 6 series gpu, all of them are dynamic cores which can share the workload.
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Will the tegra 3+ processor affect performance in any way? And what are its drawbacks as compared to snapdragon? Also does it have any advantages over the snapdragon?
Not really. The tegra 3 to be truthful is one of thebworst SOCs on the market. The krait s4/s4 pro both out perform it in every aspect. Be it standard voltage, dye leakage (smaller transistors 28nm, as opposed to t3's 40nm), performance at similar clock speeds (float point, multitasking, etc). I feel like nvidia really has no clue what theyre doing looking at the architecture for the tegra 3. TI's OMAP crushes the krait s4, and the exynos chipsets usually are on top of that. The only real drawback to having an exynos chipaet is the lack lf source documentation on sammys part which makes development difficult. But with all thats been going on regarding that it looks like thats about to change. Exynos with documentation is as good as it gets since youre getting a powerhouse CPU and GPu. The t3 has got an okay gpu at best. Sorry to burst your bubble :/ just stating facts
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MultiLockOn said:
Not really. The tegra 3 to be truthful is one of thebworst SOCs on the market. The krait s4/s4 pro both out perform it in every aspect. Be it standard voltage, dye leakage (smaller transistors 28nm, as opposed to t3's 40nm), performance at similar clock speeds (float point, multitasking, etc). I feel like nvidia really has no clue what theyre doing looking at the architecture for the tegra 3. TI's OMAP crushes the krait s4, and the exynos chipsets usually are on top of that. The only real drawback to having an exynos chipaet is the lack lf source documentation on sammys part which makes development difficult. But with all thats been going on regarding that it looks like thats about to change. Exynos with documentation is as good as it gets since youre getting a powerhouse CPU and GPu. The t3 has got an okay gpu at best. Sorry to burst your bubble :/ just stating facts
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For me being USA ATT user would it then be best to choose the HTC ONE DLX instead of the ONE X+ due to the processors? Well neither are out yet so who knows if the US version processors will be any different. Just thinking with a 5" screen i'll need a back pack to carry it around, lol. Coming from an Iphone 4 3.5" screen to a possible X+ 4.7" screen is a huge jump in itself. Just can't stick with Apple after the huge let down of the Iphone 5 so making the switch as soon as these phones come out. New to all this stuff but had no idea Tegra 3 really that bad? Videos of the device look smooth and gameplay?
If you really wanna know about the power of the Tegra3, your gonna want to read these threads.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1476788
And
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1664391
The first thread will be a general discussion on the international HOX and has a lot of information concerning the Tegra3. A lot of pages, over 930, but worth the time to read to understand the Tegra3 chip and what it is capable of as well as some info regarding the S4. The second thread has 60+ pages and is concerning gaming on the HOX. Well worth the time to read and see what all had to be done to get the full potential of the Tegra3. You also have to evaluate your choices this way. The Tegra3 is built with gaming in mind. The S4Pro is built with all around performance in mind.
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Will the tegra 3+ processor affect performance in any way? And what are its drawbacks as compared to snapdragon? Also does it have any advantages over the snapdragon?
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it's a good processor, but not in comparison to the Exynos 4 quad and the snapdragon S4/S4 pro. Those are definitely better SoCs
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Notice how the nexus 5 lags whilst the galaxy s3 and nexus 10 are smooth?
Nexus 5- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRMnXO8cMgY
Galaxy s3- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjVD0zHygm4
Nexus 10- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxTcbt4sHps
Could this be because the snapdragon is crap or because of optimization?
Well frankly speaking mali 400 is kinda old now, but i guess it still is a decent performer for most of today's games, though some lags r there on some games
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Mali is known for it's good (close to console's) graphics and good power too,though it might be still optimization.
Well,at least,nexus 5 still should run it better.
abhibnl said:
Well frankly speaking mali 400 is kinda old now, but i guess it still is a decent performer for most of today's games, though some lags r there on some games
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Games,which lag on Mali are just unoptimized (a little). I think,if developers of those games will optimize their games better,Mali will probably won't lag even in today's games.
Wow
The fact that the nexus 10 can run that game at that crazy resolution is pretty impressive
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Mali is known for it's good (close to console's) graphics and good power too,though it might be still optimization.
Well,at least,nexus 5 still should run it better.
Games,which lag on Mali are just unoptimized (a little). I think,if developers of those games will optimize their games better,Mali will probably won't lag even in today's games.
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Well we'll hope for the best, these new drivers does work though. Graphics performance is kinda better now
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Mali and exynos are ****** trash compared to Qualcomm CPU's and GPU's Slower at everything. And FYI i haven't met a person with a s3 that doesn't lag, if you argue against you obviously don't use your phone to much.. under load, Exynos sucks. It's that simple. Why do you think the i9505 is a hell of alot more popular than the crappy octa core one? Exynos is a mess, Mali is crap too. #rant
Also we don't really need posts comparing video clips from youtube. It's not a thread we like around here. If you don't like lag, get a HTC One or a iphone. I know i'm dumping this samsung trash called the S3 which i use now for a nexus or a HTC One 2014 models..
yeah it snapdragon 2.3ghz to keep up with the 1.9ghz of exynos
Hey there,bull,calm down. S3 doesn't suck. I use it every day heavily and multitasking,RAM management are amazing. Yeah,I agree,S3 lags in all of new games,but there's a reason. Know it? Because it's old already. Soon 2 years will pass since S3 was released and of course new games will lag on such an old device.
So again,calm down there.
Someone needs to chill
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Mali and exynos are ****** trash compared to Qualcomm CPU's and GPU's Slower at everything. And FYI i haven't met a person with a s3 that doesn't lag, if you argue against you obviously don't use your phone to much.. under load, Exynos sucks. It's that simple. Why do you think the i9505 is a hell of alot more popular than the crappy octa core one? Exynos is a mess, Mali is crap too. #rant
Also we don't really need posts comparing video clips from youtube. It's not a thread we like around here. If you don't like lag, get a HTC One or a iphone. I know i'm dumping this samsung trash called the S3 which i use now for a nexus or a HTC One 2014 models..
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Don't be an idiot. The Exynos on the S3 is far superior to the Qualcomm version. The Exynos version had a quad-core CPU vs. dual-core for the Qualcomm version. That's what the OP is talking about and you just sound like an immature little teenager.
On the S4, it's a different story because Samsung's big.LITTLE was poorly implemented on the Exynos. However, on the new Galaxy Note 3, Exynos is just as good, if not better than the Qualcomm 800. And when Samsung updates the chipset with octa-core capability, it has the potential to surpass the competition significantly.
As for your idiotic argument of popularity, Samsung decides which regions will receive Exynos chips based on LTE availability and Qualcomm's licensing restrictions. It's not based on popularity, it's based on patents and licensing costs.
I don't have any lag on my S3 and I happen to like comparisons of different chipsets, even from YouTube. You aren't qualified to speak on everyone's behalf and I appreciate this thread which asks a perfectly fine question.
I think mali and snapdragon are sort of budget type processors whereas qualcomm and exynos(some models) are the higher end of things
Mali=Exynos
Snapdragon=Qualcomm
jinosong said:
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What?
Mali is a GPU whereas Exynos is the CPU. The Exynos version of the S4 didn't have a Mali GPU, it had a PowerVR one.
And to whoever said the S3 had perfect RAM management and multitasking: that couldn't be further from the truth.
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What?
Mali is a GPU whereas Exynos is the CPU.
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See post above mine. I was trying to clear up the assumption that Exynos, Qualcomm, Snapdragon and Mali were all different chipsets.
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See post above mine. I was trying to clear up the assumption that Exynos, Qualcomm, Snapdragon and Mali were all different chipsets.
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Yes but you made the wrongful assumption that mali is something that just goes with exynos. Exynos is made by Samsung while Mali is made by ARM and not even by Samsung at all
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paintball23456 said:
Mali and exynos are ****** trash compared to Qualcomm CPU's and GPU's Slower at everything. And FYI i haven't met a person with a s3 that doesn't lag, if you argue against you obviously don't use your phone to much.. under load, Exynos sucks. It's that simple. Why do you think the i9505 is a hell of alot more popular than the crappy octa core one? Exynos is a mess, Mali is crap too. #rant
Also we don't really need posts comparing video clips from youtube. It's not a thread we like around here. If you don't like lag, get a HTC One or a iphone. I know i'm dumping this samsung trash called the S3 which i use now for a nexus or a HTC One 2014 models..
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i own nexus 4 htc one and exynos s3. u re just kidding urself. try gta vice city , san andreas on a adreno phone atleast try on one and nexus 4 im %100 sure they will lag i use one as daily driver. all you will see is lag. i didnt see any game laging on exynos s3 yet. asphalt 8 full graphics s3 30+fps one 20+ fps. because adreno just fails with thermal throtting. and dont realy have great drivers to work with. like on htc one you are playing most wanted working on 30+ fps 15 mins gaming and you will see laging low fps drops to 10 to 20 i tested like every game with fps meter on all 3 phones.
all you are talking about lag is simple fail touchwiz launcher its not about processer or gpu. yes one is runing smoother (2013 phone it should) because sense launcher doesnt get kicked from ram like touchwiz. it doesnt make processor good or bad it just makes launcher is bad. just remove bloatware on a s3 and use nova launcher and make it stay on ram. and you will see lag is gone .
i use this 3 phones like everyday but one most and its not smoother cuz of its processor its about sense. and its worse than exynos s3 on gaming because adreno 320 and 1080p not the best combination.
my girlfriend has nexus 5 and san andreas just lags. mali (Arm) still works better with games adreno just fails on real life performance. im using nexus 4 for 1 year and htc one for 7 months now.
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i own nexus 4 htc one and exynos s3. u re just kidding urself. try gta vice city , san andreas on a adreno phone atleast try on one and nexus 4 im %100 sure they will lag i use one as daily driver. all you will see is lag. i didnt see any game laging on exynos s3 yet. asphalt 8 full graphics s3 30+fps one 20+ fps. because adreno just fails with thermal throtting. and dont realy have great drivers to work with. like on htc one you are playing most wanted working on 30+ fps 15 mins gaming and you will see laging low fps drops to 10 to 20 i tested like every game with fps meter on all 3 phones.
all you are talking about lag is simple fail touchwiz launcher its not about processer or gpu. yes one is runing smoother (2013 phone it should) because sense launcher doesnt get kicked from ram like touchwiz. it doesnt make processor good or bad it just makes launcher is bad. just remove bloatware on a s3 and use nova launcher and make it stay on ram. and you will see lag is gone .
i use this 3 phones like everyday but one most and its not smoother cuz of its processor its about sense. and its worse than exynos s3 on gaming because adreno 320 and 1080p not the best combination.
my girlfriend has nexus 5 and san andreas just lags. mali (Arm) still works better with games adreno just fails on real life performance. im using nexus 4 for 1 year and htc one for 7 months now.
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I dont know wether your results are true or not.But your post make me feel like a proud owner of s3.
Theshawty said:
What?
And to whoever said the S3 had perfect RAM management and multitasking: that couldn't be further from the truth.
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Why so? I have this phone,and I use it everyday,so I know what I'm talking about.
Iqbal Ansari said:
I dont know wether your results are true or not.But your post make me feel like a proud owner of s3.
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He's talking absolute truth,which people don't want to believe to.
AssassinGEO said:
Why so? I have this phone,and I use it everyday,so I know what I'm talking about.
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*sigh*
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*sigh*
:banghead:
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What's up? Maybe I misunderstood something? English isn't my native language,my apologies.