Notice how the nexus 5 lags whilst the galaxy s3 and nexus 10 are smooth?
Nexus 5- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRMnXO8cMgY
Galaxy s3- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjVD0zHygm4
Nexus 10- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxTcbt4sHps
Could this be because the snapdragon is crap or because of optimization?
Well frankly speaking mali 400 is kinda old now, but i guess it still is a decent performer for most of today's games, though some lags r there on some games
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Mali is known for it's good (close to console's) graphics and good power too,though it might be still optimization.
Well,at least,nexus 5 still should run it better.
abhibnl said:
Well frankly speaking mali 400 is kinda old now, but i guess it still is a decent performer for most of today's games, though some lags r there on some games
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Games,which lag on Mali are just unoptimized (a little). I think,if developers of those games will optimize their games better,Mali will probably won't lag even in today's games.
Wow
The fact that the nexus 10 can run that game at that crazy resolution is pretty impressive
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Mali is known for it's good (close to console's) graphics and good power too,though it might be still optimization.
Well,at least,nexus 5 still should run it better.
Games,which lag on Mali are just unoptimized (a little). I think,if developers of those games will optimize their games better,Mali will probably won't lag even in today's games.
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Well we'll hope for the best, these new drivers does work though. Graphics performance is kinda better now
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Mali and exynos are ****** trash compared to Qualcomm CPU's and GPU's Slower at everything. And FYI i haven't met a person with a s3 that doesn't lag, if you argue against you obviously don't use your phone to much.. under load, Exynos sucks. It's that simple. Why do you think the i9505 is a hell of alot more popular than the crappy octa core one? Exynos is a mess, Mali is crap too. #rant
Also we don't really need posts comparing video clips from youtube. It's not a thread we like around here. If you don't like lag, get a HTC One or a iphone. I know i'm dumping this samsung trash called the S3 which i use now for a nexus or a HTC One 2014 models..
yeah it snapdragon 2.3ghz to keep up with the 1.9ghz of exynos
Hey there,bull,calm down. S3 doesn't suck. I use it every day heavily and multitasking,RAM management are amazing. Yeah,I agree,S3 lags in all of new games,but there's a reason. Know it? Because it's old already. Soon 2 years will pass since S3 was released and of course new games will lag on such an old device.
So again,calm down there.
Someone needs to chill
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Mali and exynos are ****** trash compared to Qualcomm CPU's and GPU's Slower at everything. And FYI i haven't met a person with a s3 that doesn't lag, if you argue against you obviously don't use your phone to much.. under load, Exynos sucks. It's that simple. Why do you think the i9505 is a hell of alot more popular than the crappy octa core one? Exynos is a mess, Mali is crap too. #rant
Also we don't really need posts comparing video clips from youtube. It's not a thread we like around here. If you don't like lag, get a HTC One or a iphone. I know i'm dumping this samsung trash called the S3 which i use now for a nexus or a HTC One 2014 models..
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Don't be an idiot. The Exynos on the S3 is far superior to the Qualcomm version. The Exynos version had a quad-core CPU vs. dual-core for the Qualcomm version. That's what the OP is talking about and you just sound like an immature little teenager.
On the S4, it's a different story because Samsung's big.LITTLE was poorly implemented on the Exynos. However, on the new Galaxy Note 3, Exynos is just as good, if not better than the Qualcomm 800. And when Samsung updates the chipset with octa-core capability, it has the potential to surpass the competition significantly.
As for your idiotic argument of popularity, Samsung decides which regions will receive Exynos chips based on LTE availability and Qualcomm's licensing restrictions. It's not based on popularity, it's based on patents and licensing costs.
I don't have any lag on my S3 and I happen to like comparisons of different chipsets, even from YouTube. You aren't qualified to speak on everyone's behalf and I appreciate this thread which asks a perfectly fine question.
I think mali and snapdragon are sort of budget type processors whereas qualcomm and exynos(some models) are the higher end of things
Mali=Exynos
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What?
Mali is a GPU whereas Exynos is the CPU. The Exynos version of the S4 didn't have a Mali GPU, it had a PowerVR one.
And to whoever said the S3 had perfect RAM management and multitasking: that couldn't be further from the truth.
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Mali is a GPU whereas Exynos is the CPU.
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See post above mine. I was trying to clear up the assumption that Exynos, Qualcomm, Snapdragon and Mali were all different chipsets.
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See post above mine. I was trying to clear up the assumption that Exynos, Qualcomm, Snapdragon and Mali were all different chipsets.
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Yes but you made the wrongful assumption that mali is something that just goes with exynos. Exynos is made by Samsung while Mali is made by ARM and not even by Samsung at all
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Mali and exynos are ****** trash compared to Qualcomm CPU's and GPU's Slower at everything. And FYI i haven't met a person with a s3 that doesn't lag, if you argue against you obviously don't use your phone to much.. under load, Exynos sucks. It's that simple. Why do you think the i9505 is a hell of alot more popular than the crappy octa core one? Exynos is a mess, Mali is crap too. #rant
Also we don't really need posts comparing video clips from youtube. It's not a thread we like around here. If you don't like lag, get a HTC One or a iphone. I know i'm dumping this samsung trash called the S3 which i use now for a nexus or a HTC One 2014 models..
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i own nexus 4 htc one and exynos s3. u re just kidding urself. try gta vice city , san andreas on a adreno phone atleast try on one and nexus 4 im %100 sure they will lag i use one as daily driver. all you will see is lag. i didnt see any game laging on exynos s3 yet. asphalt 8 full graphics s3 30+fps one 20+ fps. because adreno just fails with thermal throtting. and dont realy have great drivers to work with. like on htc one you are playing most wanted working on 30+ fps 15 mins gaming and you will see laging low fps drops to 10 to 20 i tested like every game with fps meter on all 3 phones.
all you are talking about lag is simple fail touchwiz launcher its not about processer or gpu. yes one is runing smoother (2013 phone it should) because sense launcher doesnt get kicked from ram like touchwiz. it doesnt make processor good or bad it just makes launcher is bad. just remove bloatware on a s3 and use nova launcher and make it stay on ram. and you will see lag is gone .
i use this 3 phones like everyday but one most and its not smoother cuz of its processor its about sense. and its worse than exynos s3 on gaming because adreno 320 and 1080p not the best combination.
my girlfriend has nexus 5 and san andreas just lags. mali (Arm) still works better with games adreno just fails on real life performance. im using nexus 4 for 1 year and htc one for 7 months now.
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i own nexus 4 htc one and exynos s3. u re just kidding urself. try gta vice city , san andreas on a adreno phone atleast try on one and nexus 4 im %100 sure they will lag i use one as daily driver. all you will see is lag. i didnt see any game laging on exynos s3 yet. asphalt 8 full graphics s3 30+fps one 20+ fps. because adreno just fails with thermal throtting. and dont realy have great drivers to work with. like on htc one you are playing most wanted working on 30+ fps 15 mins gaming and you will see laging low fps drops to 10 to 20 i tested like every game with fps meter on all 3 phones.
all you are talking about lag is simple fail touchwiz launcher its not about processer or gpu. yes one is runing smoother (2013 phone it should) because sense launcher doesnt get kicked from ram like touchwiz. it doesnt make processor good or bad it just makes launcher is bad. just remove bloatware on a s3 and use nova launcher and make it stay on ram. and you will see lag is gone .
i use this 3 phones like everyday but one most and its not smoother cuz of its processor its about sense. and its worse than exynos s3 on gaming because adreno 320 and 1080p not the best combination.
my girlfriend has nexus 5 and san andreas just lags. mali (Arm) still works better with games adreno just fails on real life performance. im using nexus 4 for 1 year and htc one for 7 months now.
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I dont know wether your results are true or not.But your post make me feel like a proud owner of s3.
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And to whoever said the S3 had perfect RAM management and multitasking: that couldn't be further from the truth.
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Why so? I have this phone,and I use it everyday,so I know what I'm talking about.
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I dont know wether your results are true or not.But your post make me feel like a proud owner of s3.
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He's talking absolute truth,which people don't want to believe to.
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Why so? I have this phone,and I use it everyday,so I know what I'm talking about.
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*sigh*
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*sigh*
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What's up? Maybe I misunderstood something? English isn't my native language,my apologies.
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According to an article today by Android Police, they have strong confirmation that the Nexus Prime/Galaxy will have a T.I. OMAP 4460 SoC(System on a chip) down clocked from 1.5 to 1.2GHz. The OMAP 4460 has the PowerVR 540 GPU which is what is present in our phones. If this is true, I will probably pass on it. But I did a little research and found out that the T.I. OMAP 4470 SoC is due for late 2011 or early 2012. Perhaps Google/Samsung will work with T.I. to debut this new SoC. The OMAP 4470 has a clock speed of 1.8GHz and contains the PowerVR 544 (more powerful than the iPad 2/iPhone 4S). Surely Google would not want a GPU found in last years models to be in their new flagship phone. What are your thoughts?
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According to an article today by Android Police, they have strong confirmation that the Nexus Prime/Galaxy will have a T.I. OMAP 4460 SoC(System on a chip) down clocked from 1.5 to 1.2GHz. The OMAP 4460 has the PowerVR 540 GPU which is what is present in our phones. If this is true, I will probably pass on it. But I did a little research and found out that the T.I. OMAP 4470 SoC is due for late 2011 or early 2012. Perhaps Google/Samsung will work with T.I. to debut this new SoC. The OMAP 4470 has a clock speed of 1.8GHz and contains the PowerVR 544 (more powerful than the iPad 2/iPhone 4S). Surely Google would not want a GPU found in last years models to be in their new flagship phone. What are your thoughts?
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Don't believe half the things you read online. For all we know the nexus prime is a Motorola phone.....
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nope, it's samsung. you can take off your tinfoil hat since that was officially confirmed about a year ago.
op, where did you get that information? it's been stated that it will have an exynos processor, the latest and greatest from samsung. I don't have a source but the whole point of the nexus line is to have the best and latest hardware.
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nope, it's samsung. you can take off your tinfoil hat since that was officially confirmed about a year ago.
op, where did you get that information? it's been stated that it will have an exynos processor, the latest and greatest from samsung. I don't have a source but the whole point of the nexus line is to have the best and latest hardware.
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Not saying it's 100% but 4/5 Android websites have concluded that the OMAP series is the platform of choice for Google's new OS. No tech blog/website has stated it will have Exynos. And the OMAP 4470 would be more powerful either way. But below, Android Police strongly asserted that the new device will have the OMAP 4460 downclocked to 1.2GHz. But like I said, I'm asking for everyone's thoughts because I can definitely see Google surprising us.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/1...eam-sandwich-phone-sorry-prime-is-not-likely/
You can also check Engadget, AndroidCentral, Anandtech, Android Authority,and PhanDroid.
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Don't believe half the things you read online. For all we know the nexus prime is a Motorola phone.....
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You could be partially right. Some rumors have suggested that the Prime and Galaxy Nexus are two different devices. What saddens me is that the Galaxy Nexus I-9250 passed through the FCC with GSM only.
The 4460 is has a 100mhz boost in terms of GPU compared to ours. And I can't think of any game/app that would need more than that.
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The 4460 is has a 100mhz boost in terms of GPU compared to ours. And I can't think of any game/app that would need more than that.
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184mhz, I think -- almost double. Except the Nexus is going to have 2.4 times the pixels of the Fascinate (or 2.22 if you don't count the soft key area).
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Don't believe half the things you read online. For all we know the nexus prime is a Motorola phone.....
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oh tonu, still trying to have conversations about things you know nothing about.
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The 4460 is has a 100mhz boost in terms of GPU compared to ours. And I can't think of any game/app that would need more than that.
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Clock speed isn't going to improve graphics. The PowerVR 543MP2 dual core GPU in the A5 chip would still run laps around an overclocked PowerVR540 in terms of speed, throughput and things such as shadows, textures and triangles.
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Clock speed isn't going to improve graphics. The PowerVR 543MP2 dual core GPU in the A5 chip would still run laps around an overclocked PowerVR540 in terms of speed, throughput and things such as shadows, textures and triangles.
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Hah. Imagine having the PowerVR SGX 543MP4 from the PS vita in the prime. That would run laps around the MP2 XD
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Clock speed isn't going to improve graphics. The PowerVR 543MP2 dual core GPU in the A5 chip would still run laps around an overclocked PowerVR540 in terms of speed, throughput and things such as shadows, textures and triangles.
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I don't understand why google put such a crappy GPU in their flagship phone. They easily could have put the Mali GPU or maybe even the 543MP2. Now I really can't decide between the 4S and the Galaxy Nexus...
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I don't understand why google put such a crappy GPU in their flagship phone. They easily could have put the Mali GPU or maybe even the 543MP2. Now I really can't decide between the 4S and the Galaxy Nexus...
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They probably put it in to work around the hardware. This means that the Galaxy Prime will run extremely well with ICS probably better than some dual core GPU phones but it will lack in the gaming department. If you don't really game alot it shouldn't matter that much it will be really fast. They've also increase the clock speed from 200Mhz to 386 Mhz which is almost twice as fast.
I thought about the 4S thing too but then I realized, "why have all that power if the system takes little use of it?". The only thing it's really good for is gaming but who want's to do that on a 3.5" screen. At this point, the Nexus is probably a better real world choice but if you wait a few more months the GSII HD LTE or the GS3 will be out and will probably be on par with the iPad 3 in terms of hardware. I was hoping the Nexus would blow me away but it didn't. I like the way it looks but the hardware is just lacking and it's not worth my upgrade or $300.
Very well stated I'm also not all in on the GN. We'll see once I can actually play with one in store next month
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They probably put it in to work around the hardware. This means that the Galaxy Prime will run extremely well with ICS probably better than some dual core GPU phones but it will lack in the gaming department. If you don't really game alot it shouldn't matter that much it will be really fast. They've also increase the clock speed from 200Mhz to 386 Mhz which is almost twice as fast.
I thought about the 4S thing too but then I realized, "why have all that power if the system takes little use of it?". The only thing it's really good for is gaming but who want's to do that on a 3.5" screen. At this point, the Nexus is probably a better real world choice but if you wait a few more months the GSII HD LTE or the GS3 will be out and will probably be on par with the iPad 3 in terms of hardware. I was hoping the Nexus would blow me away but it didn't. I like the way it looks but the hardware is just lacking and it's not worth my upgrade or $300.
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True. But Infinity Blade 2 looks pretty amazing and if more developers can take advantage of the 543MP2, that would be great. But, you can always wait a few more months and something better will always come out, so I don't think its a good idea to wait for the GS3 - and it'll take much more than a few months to get onto US carriers. I agree that $300 is a bit of a hard pill to swallow, especially when you can get a GSII with better hardware for cheaper.
Just in case some of you missed it over at android central.
Just a quick demo of the S4 Krait vs the Tegra 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6xb8t3FoFI&feature=player_embedded
Source:By Chris Parsons
http://www.androidcentral.com/att-one-x-benchmarks-pit-qualcomm-snapdragon-s4-against-nvidia-tegra-3
the Tegra 3 should probably shine when a Tegra 3 optimized app is used for comparison. not sure if you need special software framework to take advantage of the quad core +1
S4 build off the a15 takes the cake. Qualcomm did a great job with it.
some benchmarks indicate the tegra is more powerful and some indicate that the snapdragon is more powerful however it is ussually hinted that the snapdragon will provide similar performance but save battery because of its asynchronous dual cores. really it is all about software and drivers and nvidia is renowned for their developments in both. nvidia will get the game first, run them smoothly and display well optimized graphics. it doesn`t matter how pwerful the hardware is if the software can`t take advantage of it. this is clearly indicated in the last generation snapdragons which had terrible gpu issues due to poor gpu drivers. keep in mind however that many apps have not been optimised for quad core and may not run at their best.
Yes this is pretty well known here...each SoC has its own advantage over the other....specifically the Tegra3 should sin out GPU wise, while the S4 wins out in some other categories...
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Yes this is pretty well known here...each SoC has its own advantage over the other....specifically the Tegra3 should sin out GPU wise, while the S4 wins out in some other categories...
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Did you not see the video? S4 spanked tegra3 in the graphics benchmark
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Why was his tegra3 phone so much smaller? I thought they were both the same size just different soc?
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Why was his tegra3 phone so much smaller? I thought they were both the same size just different soc?
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They are the same size one phone was on display platform and the other was laying flat..... Basically both phones in different angles.
pretty intresting test breakup, tegra 3 looks to have cpu cores with a lot more omph but its extremely memory-starved, even if nominally it should have twice the mhz for memory than s4 (from the datasheet, dunno what kind of memory HTC actually shipped in that phone)
as for graphics its a bit funny that the S4 gpu core is a development of one ati/amd project(*), even here we have ati/amd VS nvidia showoff...
(*) selling their mobile division for pocket change just when mobile chips were starting to become the biggest cpu business in the world was really the stupidiest thing even done by amd...
Anyone else have the feeling S4 gonna spank the new G3 Exynos chip too ?
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Anyone else have the feeling S4 gonna spank the new G3 Exynos chip too ?
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Dont know about spank, but it will be on par with everything except for graphics. I would expect the exynos to be better because of the GPU.
Is it just me or does the speed of a processor matter anymore?
Seriously. I have tried murdering my 3D with tons of roms, multiple resource hungry apps, graphics intense games, fancy live wall papers, and STILL. She barely breaks a sweat.
I do understand bragging rights with fellow gadget heads but really as long as I can play my occasional game, listen to music, watch porn, and do my social thing, I'm happy as can be. Battery life is my bragging game now.
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Is it just me or does the speed of a processor matter anymore?
Seriously. I have tried murdering my 3D with tons of roms, multiple resource hungry apps, graphics intense games, fancy live wall papers, and STILL. She barely breaks a sweat.
I do understand bragging rights with fellow gadget heads but really as long as I can play my occasional game, listen to music, watch porn, and do my social thing, I'm happy as can be. Battery life is my bragging game now.
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I don't know about you, but I use the MEAN ROM and while it is the best ROM hands down, I still don't get the performance I would expect from a dual core phone. It is the best performer among other ROMS, but still not what I would expect in this day and age. When I am connected to WIFI, I would expect that my web pages (on device), load as fast as on my PC... or at least almost as fast. This has never been the case with any ROM or any phone. Once that happens, I will be close to happy.
I am guessing that the biggest limiter these days is the speed of internal memory? Does anyone know how that compares to PC memory?
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I don't know about you, but I use the MEAN ROM and while it is the best ROM hands down, I still don't get the performance I would expect from a dual core phone. It is the best performer among other ROMS, but still not what I would expect in this day and age. When I am connected to WIFI, I would expect that my web pages (on device), load as fast as on my PC... or at least almost as fast. This has never been the case with any ROM or any phone. Once that happens, I will be close to happy.
I am guessing that the biggest limiter these days is the speed of internal memory? Does anyone know how that compares to PC memory?
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That makes sense. But is it the gpu that makes it slower than a pc? I want faster page loading too.
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my evo 3d got 3500 in quadrant, nearly 2x of gtab at 810 megahertz. sk rom is crazy. However, I think the tegra 3 is better because companion core and doesn't afraid of anything.
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my evo 3d got 3500 in quadrant, nearly 2x of gtab at 810 megahertz. sk rom is crazy. However, I think the tegra 3 is better because companion core and doesn't afraid of anything.
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Companion core doesn't do anything sir, the 28 nm process on the s4 kills the tegra 3 in battery, even with 4glte on
Source: anandtech htc one x for att review
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I'm thinking I'm waiting for the s4 quad cores to come out. That will be epic
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Companion core doesn't do anything sir, the 28 nm process on the s4 kills the tegra 3 in battery, even with 4glte on
Source: anandtech htc one x for att review
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Tegra is still better because you have the privilege of having a tablet with 4 cores. If you say "oh I got a tablet with 2 ARM cortex 15 cores, nobodys gonna get what you're saying.".
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I'm thinking I'm waiting for the s4 quad cores to come out. That will be epic
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They already have them I believe its a 32 nm it has everything that the s4 has except the LTE
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They already have them I believe its a 32 nm it has everything that the s4 has except the LTE
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The 32nm quad core is by Samsung and is the Exynos SoC, not an S4...Currently the only S4 in the Qualcomm roadmap for this year is the APQ8064, and it has no modem so likely a tablet only chip...
Now the rumor of the VZ HTC phone for the holidays this year states they will have a quadcore S4 in it, which is odd given the roadmap leaks as the earliest MSM(these are the ones with built in modems) variant quad-core was not listed till Q1 of '13...
btw saw you got the credit for the EVOLTE buildprop and bootanimation leak on goodandevo man.
Does anyone else notice that the graphics in games on the S3 really suck?!! I have played Homerun 3D on my Nexus and it looked great but on the S3, it's pixilated and doesn't look so good. Does anyone else notice the same issue with games you play? Is there anything we can do (I suspect not)? All this RAM is great and all but I'd like a better graphical experience when playing games on this beast.
Any other graphic issues...post then here and share. :good:
Well the short answer is for high end mobile gaming you don't have the strongest phone available. The GPU in the US version that is included in the Qualcomm S4 Krait is the Adreno 225. It is no slouch but the Mali 400 which is included in the International S3 is stronger overall.
My question to you(anyone reading) is Should we expect every top end phone to perform admirably in games by default?
I would like to think not. That is a category for devices such as Playstation Vita and Nintendo DSi.
From the reviews I have seen online though there was no perceivable difference between the US and International GSIII when playing games, but of course there will be some games that use the hardware differently and will exploit potential bottlenecks. Synthetic benchmarks will also favor the raw horsepower of the International variant at times, other times not so much. Anything heavily relying on the GPU will favor the International variant.
Remember this device is brand spanking new and running early code. There are many many months of updates and improvements to come. The truth is by most accounts (other than biased fanboys who will no doubt jump on this) with the newer A15 based architecture Krait CPU, 2GB of ram and LTE, you got the better long term solution in a handset compared to the older A9 based Exynos in the International variant. Your handset in my humble opinion but based on the actual hardware capability will perform better a year from now for instance that the International, in things other than gaming.
Bottom Line:
If playing games on your phone is really important to you, you may want to consider trading for a different device.
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Well the short answer is for high end mobile gaming you don't have the strongest phone available. The GPU in the US version that is included in the Qualcomm S4 Krait is the Adreno 225. It is no slouch but the Mali 400 which is included in the International S3 is stronger overall.
My question to you(anyone reading) is Should we expect every top end phone to perform admirably in games by default?
I would like to think not. That is a category for devices such as Playstation Vita and Nintendo DSi.
From the reviews I have seen online though there was no perceivable difference between the US and International GSIII when playing games, but of course there will be some games that use the hardware differently and will exploit potential bottlenecks. Synthetic benchmarks will also favor the raw horsepower of the International variant at times, other times not so much. Anything heavily relying on the GPU will favor the International variant.
Remember this device is brand spanking new and running early code. There are many many months of updates and improvements to come. The truth is by most accounts (other than biased fanboys who will no doubt jump on this) with the newer A15 based architecture Krait CPU, 2GB of ram and LTE, you got the better long term solution in a handset compared to the older A9 based Exynos in the International variant. Your handset in my humble opinion but based on the actual hardware capability will perform better a year from now for instance that the International, in things other than gaming.
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If playing games on your phone is really important to you, you may want to consider trading for a different device.
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How is this relevant to his comparison? First off yes the adreno 225 isn't the top dog but it DESTROYS the gpu in the omap 4460.
As far as the ops question - email the developer to see if your device is supported yet. The S3 is brand new and not every device is supported yet. The omap 4 series was hugely popular so most games support it very nicely. The snapdragon s4 chip has won ton of NA design wins so with in a month or so you should see great support.
For the love of god.... Let the gpu comparison go. Mali is better but adreno is still faster than any other chip set out there (not sure about new ipad)
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How is this relevant to his comparison? First off yes the adreno 225 isn't the top dog but it DESTROYS the gpu in the omap 4460.
As far as the ops question - email the developer to see if your device is supported yet. The S3 is brand new and not every device is supported yet. The omap 4 series was hugely popular so most games support it very nicely. The snapdragon s4 chip has won ton of NA design wins so with in a month or so you should see great support.
For the love of god.... Let the gpu comparison go. Mali is better but adreno is still faster than any other chip set out there (not sure about new ipad)
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What????
I gave a very relevant example of a comparative device that would perform better in games. That's how it's relevant, more relevant that comparing it to the OMAP 4460. He would probably like to have better gaming performance but still have the things he likes about his current phone....the International GSIII with the Mali400 GPU is the best pick to fit that bill.
I don't understand your confusion or your obvious angst. Everything said was comprehensively on topic and constructive.
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What????
I gave a very relevant example of a comparative device that would perform better in games. That's how it's relevant.
I don't understand your confusion or your obvious angst. Everything said was comprehensively on topic and constructive.
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The comparison of the Mali gpu and adreno has nothing to do with his problem. This issue has been beat to death over and over again. If he is having issues it isn't because his gpu can not handle it. It's because either the app hasn't been updated. Or maybe he changed his build prop (some roms do this) and the app is taking it out of native resolution.
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The comparison of the Mali gpu and adreno has nothing to do with his problem. This issue has been beat to death over and over again. If he is having issues it isn't because his gpu can not handle it. It's because either the app hasn't been updated. Or maybe he changed his build prop (some roms do this) and the app is taking it out of native resolution.
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Well in my original post I also mentioned the fact that these devices are running early code and updates could improve performance.....I don't understand why giving him the next best option, and the reasons why is such a big deal.
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Well in my original post I also mentioned the fact that these devices are running early code and updates could improve performance.....I don't understand why giving him the next best option, and the reasons why is such a big deal.
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I'm not going to turn this into a flame war.
Op - check with the developer if stock and await a response. If you are running a rom check within the rom developers original post to see if there were build prop changes, and if so go back to stock (if this game is important to you)
You can also try a reinstall as it looks like the game may only look at the build prop on the original run. I installed it myself and it looked good but I also didn't compare it to a nexus.
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I have HomeRunBattle3D on my stock GS3 and it bats it out of the park!
(sorry)
I realize I didn't by a gaming device but I just thought that the graphics would at least be on par with the Nexus. Thank you for pointing out about the updates and such, I forgot about that. Maybe developers will optimize some of their apps for the S3 the more popular it gets.
I attached a screenshot from my phone of the game I was playing. Look at the skyline and the pixelisation. That is what I was talking about. It's kinda choppy when you hit a home run...not as smooth like it was on Nexus. All in all though...no big deal really. I just wondered why it was like that is all. Great discussion though!! Thank you!! :good:
I get a snag here and there with every game I play.
Hi Everyone,
Just wanted to know any provider in US is providing the quad core version of the phone? I have to get myself a new phone. And will weigh my options between iPhone 5 and S3 (just waiting for reviews and comparisons), but wanted the quad core version of the Galaxy S III.
U can get them from newegg brand new but at full price.
All the us carriers have the dual core version. And actually my brother has lte dual core version from T-Mobile and according to our test, his is slightly better in the graphics department and mine is better in cpu but not enough to tell a difference.
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The Snapdragon has a 2GB RAM right?
Yes it does! But there is a new quad with 2gb ram coming
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I would rather choose the dualcore version. The overall speed is the same, but the snapdragon processor didn't heat up so much as the quadcore version . And the 2GB of RAM are great
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I would rather choose the dualcore version. The overall speed is the same, but the snapdragon processor didn't heat up so much as the quadcore version . And the 2GB of RAM are great
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Never felt any heat at my quad device, no offence, just telling
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I would rather choose the dualcore version. The overall speed is the same, but the snapdragon processor didn't heat up so much as the quadcore version . And the 2GB of RAM are great
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I beg to differ. I actually have both devices currently. The overall speed is slightly different. The dualcore seems a bit quicker but it's not as smooth and fluid as the 9300. You really can only tell having them side by side by the US version is slightly more jerky than the 9300. I'm not saying the US is a slouch at all but side by side you can see the difference.
The JB leak on the US version has made it super smooth though. I believe project butter is farther along on the dualcore JB leaks than the 9300 leaks.
About the heat, my US version actually heats up more than my 9300. The Ram department I'm not seeing a huge difference there either. I mean sure the US has more free ram available but so far I havent noticed anything too different. I mean I have over 700mb free on my US version now. I opened an app like 20 min ago came back to it and it had to relaunch so even though I had over 700MB free the app still closed itself(or android did)
They are both great devices and I do find myself switching between the two. LTE is very nice..
I really really hope they release a quad with 2gb and LTE in the US like they are in other parts of the world but I doubt they will since in their eyes NA already has a LTE capable GS3 with 2gb of ram. That would be my perfect phone
So I wouldnt hold my breath for them releasing one in the US that just has Quadcore with 2gb of ram and LTE but I guess I can hope
The international version has a faster GPU by quite a way. However, if I were you I'd focus more on whether you require 4G than whether you can get hold of the quad core. The reality is that the quad core processor is not better. If I had the choice I'd have gone for the S4, but of course that choice was not there.
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Hi Everyone,
Just wanted to know any provider in US is providing the quad core version of the phone? I have to get myself a new phone. And will weigh my options between iPhone 5 and S3 (just waiting for reviews and comparisons), but wanted the quad core version of the Galaxy S III.
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While many are responding to your question about S3 quad vs US dual core differences, I wanted to respond to your iPhone 5 vs S3 doubt.
I think you should first of all think about screen size. In my opinion, 4" and 4.8" are totally different things. For me the choice is simple, I wouldn't want the iPhone because the screen is too small. The apps can be fantastic and fluid on the iPhone, I will enjoy them more on a (much) larger 4.8" screen. The iPhone 5 seems to really have a (exynos 5 based) dual core A15 based processor, which is pretty neat. The performance should be really great while battery life will be solid as well. Anyway, it all doesn't matter because the screen is too small!
So I would say think about this, if you still have doubts between the iPhone 5 and the S3 (whatever version)
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Confirmed A15 ?
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No nothing is confirmed it might be a15s but definitely not exynos!!
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No nothing is confirmed it might be a15s but definitely not exynos!!
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Maybe the same processor used in new Sony smartphones.
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Not exynos, exynos based or exynos cousin.
It is apple A6.
Also A-15 is a rumour, NOTHING is for certain.
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There is no way u would choose the dual core 2gb over the quad core 2gb. Thats a joke. They done a comparison and the dual core 2gb is equal to the quad 1gb. So let's just imagine the quad with 2gb
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Maybe the same processor used in new Sony smartphones.
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No apple made the cpu in house so it's there own cpu
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I also own both devices and I've been having such a hard time deciding on which one to keep and which one to sell. The US version definitely is jerkier on ICS. I'm downloading the T-Mobile JB leak right now, but I was running one of the Canadian leaks and it still felt jerky like ICS was. Battery life between the two seems pretty even although the International seems to win out. Also I'm on Straight Talks so LTE isn't a factor for me. The US model probably due to the modems and what not seems to be better with straight talk than my International does. Sound quality I have to say is better on the i9300 vs. 747. Even with cheapo headphones I was noticing some songs sounded worse on the i747 vs. i9300. I'm still going back and forth. The 2gb of ram is nice, but I really haven't seen any difference in the Ram usage between the two. The S4 seems to kill background processes the same as the Exynos. There definitely seems to be more development for the International model over the US one, but seeing as Sprint, T-Mo, AT&T, and Verizon are all the same there's still a lot of development and if one gets a better leak than the others it quickly gets ported.
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I also own both devices and I've been having such a hard time deciding on which one to keep and which one to sell. The US version definitely is jerkier on ICS. I'm downloading the T-Mobile JB leak right now, but I was running one of the Canadian leaks and it still felt jerky like ICS was. Battery life between the two seems pretty even although the International seems to win out. Also I'm on Straight Talks so LTE isn't a factor for me. The US model probably due to the modems and what not seems to be better with straight talk than my International does. Sound quality I have to say is better on the i9300 vs. 747. Even with cheapo headphones I was noticing some songs sounded worse on the i747 vs. i9300. I'm still going back and forth. The 2gb of ram is nice, but I really haven't seen any difference in the Ram usage between the two. The S4 seems to kill background processes the same as the Exynos. There definitely seems to be more development for the International model over the US one, but seeing as Sprint, T-Mo, AT&T, and Verizon are all the same there's still a lot of development and if one gets a better leak than the others it quickly gets ported.
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We have the Wolfson chip that's why
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We have the Wolfson chip that's why
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I never really noticed until I was listening to songs on random. Usually when I go for a run I use my Zune HD for music, but I was using my i747 so I could use one of those GPS running apps and I was thinking man I don't remember this song sounding so muffled and flat.
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I never really noticed until I was listening to songs on random. Usually when I go for a run I use my Zune HD for music, but I was using my i747 so I could use one of those GPS running apps and I was thinking man I don't remember this song sounding so muffled and flat.
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I have both as well and I'm thinking of using my i9300 as a media player/gaming device and stripping out all the phone stuff and using my i747 for phone functions like surfing the web texting etc.. for the LTE connection (which has spoiled me) But I think I would look pretty funny on the subway with two of the exact same devices. One for my music and one for texting.. hahha
Quad core is the way forward, if you wanted a dual then in all honesty there are better phones out there for the price tag.
A lot of people say that the extras cores aren't always utilized and they're partly right, but the overall feel of the system and gaming in particular will shine through on a quad as opposed to the dual offering.
If you have the honour of being able to choose between them, then you have to weigh up whether you want quad core or 4G.
Personally i've got wifi most places i go and HSPA is rapid for me so it's a no brainer but some ppl just want more, i myself think it's an unnecessary sacrifice.
But thats just my opinion.
Does anyone have any benchmarks? I want to see some raw speed results of the SGS3's Quad Core Arm Mali-400 MP4 vs the iPhone 5's Triple Core PowerVR SGX543MP3.
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The iPhone 5 looks so unimpressive compared to the SGS3 on all fronts but I'm not seeing any results for the new GPU they're using.
http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare....ple iPhone 5&D2=Samsung GT-I9300 Galaxy S III
The iPhone is roughly twice as fast.
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http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare....ple iPhone 5&D2=Samsung GT-I9300 Galaxy S III
The iPhone is roughly twice as fast.
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Thanks, looks like if mobile gaming is your thing then the iPhone 5 is the way to go if you don't mind the smaller screen, otherwise, the SGS3 seems to beat the iPhone 5 in every area, for me anyway.
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Thanks, looks like if mobile gaming is your thing then the iPhone 5 is the way to go if you don't mind the smaller screen, otherwise, the SGS3 seems to beat the iPhone 5 in every area, for me anyway.
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Even though the i5 doesn't have enough resolution to take advantage of that much power,but the S3 has...
Anyway,it's faster in gpu performance,worse overall for me.
I don,t believe i that test. I ran the same bench here, and everything was running pretty smooth until a warning popped up saying ''vsync enabled''
After that everything became crappy, 11 fps. Every single time i tried the bench. Pretty weird for me. I saw somewhere some complains about wrong results on the test.
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I don,t believe i that test. I ran the same bench here, and everything was running pretty smooth until a warning popped up saying ''vsync enabled''
After that everything became crappy, 11 fps. Every single time i tried the bench. Pretty weird for me. I saw somewhere some complains about wrong results on the test.
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First time I hear of such a thing. GLBenchmark is pretty much the industry standard and one of the most reliable ones out there.
woah that Iphone5 gpu seems dammm powerful if thats correct benchmark result one thing i dont get is why there isnt a result yet for much of the iphone 5 I mean if they were going to give it a test why in the hell wouldnt you do all tests. very strange if you ask me
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woah that Iphone5 gpu seems dammm powerful if thats correct benchmark result one thing i dont get is why there isnt a result yet for much of the iphone 5 I mean if they were going to give it a test why in the hell wouldnt you do all tests. very strange if you ask me
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/6324/the-iphone-5-performance-preview
ip5 gpu just raped the Mali S3 Daymm, But If the SGS3 was released in September I think it would of beat the Ip5 in that department.. And I really do think the I9305 will help the benchmarks slightly and overall performance but thats about it untill the next SGS4... I really think sammy should reallly become future proof in the next S4 especially if they release it before Ip5
I own a I9300 and soon will get the I9305, I have played with the IP5 - I9300 - I9305 the overall feel and ui performance I LOVE the I9300 and especially the I9305.. Not a single stutter. The GS3 just feels better You cant go from android Jelly bean back to IOS its just going backwards and feels so so so DULLL. I recently was watching a movie on 1080P On my HD LG 40Inch connected to my GS3 OMG its unbeleivable simple thing like that made my day lol seriously im happy with the GS3 and will be alittle bit happier with the I9305.. for a while .. I am in no hurry to get another phone after this next one.
Blah still would rather use Android!
Impressive performance indeed. But the OS lets it down severely. It's like having a 800HP motor in Chinese made Cherry. Rather drive a 206 180GT Peugeot. It'll handle those corners unlike the Cherry and the Navigation system works!
So guessing Apple is fragmented now? So many devices to cater for, different screen resolutions etc. They stuffed up maps, so I wonder how screen resolution scaling is working out for the i5?
Seems it might be an iFail for them with the i5 going from reviews. Check out any Apple forum, there is a flood of negative feedback on build quality.. Seems 1/3 phones have visible scratches out of the box. Fingernails scratching paint off the bezel with ease etc.
Gotta feel sorry for there pedantic fans that are focused purely on image. The Apple is rotten, scratched and bruised.
Swyped on I9300 - XXDLIB - Siyah kernel - JKay & Thunderbolt tweaks.
Samsung needs to drop Mali and go PowerVR Their GPU is seriously better in every way
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Samsung needs to drop Mali and go PowerVR Their GPU is seriously better in every way
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Samsung doesn't need to drop Mali. The T-604 in the 5250 will be already be faster than the 543MP3. People tend to forget the Mali-400 and its derivatives are about 3 years old by now. You don't just suddenly change GPU licensee every 6 months because the competition has a temporary performance advantage. Rogue is still far away into next year and we'll also see second generation Vithar architectures from ARM by then.
Powervr seems to always be way ahead of the pack on the gpu side.
Look at the new adreno in the S4 only just about matches the iphone 5 in some benches.
The S4 hasn't been out long and look at how badly it compares.
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Well the na s3 has a better GPU too but would not trade my international one for it.
Besides if it has 3 GPUs of the 543 then the PS Vita has 4 of them. Which is cheaper and has better games!!
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I honestly didn't think iPoop5 would beat GS3 , let alone r*pe it like it did here.
S3 was advertised as the Beast of an Hardware can't believe IP5 smokes it
Who gives a **** even if the SGS3 was twice as fast if the entire experience was not upto scruff,
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Samsung needs to drop Mali and go PowerVR Their GPU is seriously better in every way
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you should be happy to see the older architecture of mali (400mp) still gives a run for money with the new comers in the competition like adreno 320. next gen mali (t604,t658) which will debut soon will give them back the performance crown
I heard the Mali is really weak in the triangle part of the benchmark, and it is obvious seeing the results. I do hope the new mali T604 isnt.
I still don't get why no one uses the a15 architecture in the cpu. Anyway, graphics are always going to be faster on newer chips, that's just how it goes. It is suprising that the other benchmarks aren't beating the S4/Exinos/Tegra. I bet the new Mali, tegra 4, next adrenos are going to be harder to beat.
The thing is that now people who have android flagships have no reason to move to ios and people who want a new super flagship phone should probably just wait till Christmas and get something that beats them all! I really don't see the point of spending all that money on something as locked down and limited as the iphone knowing that it already isn't the king in it's sector. The rest should just buy something like the razr m, al lot cheaper and gives you everthing you' d ever need(the fact that it's not going to be sold in europe really p""""s me off)!
The new lumia on the other hand really sounds nice(hope I don't need to defragment the disk every week with windows phone!).
And still while I right this iphone sales are probably hitting 5 million... people are stupid...
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I heard the Mali is really weak in the triangle part of the benchmark, and it is obvious seeing the results. I do hope the new mali T604 isnt.
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Mali 400 is weak in vertex processing because it has fixed units to do vertex processing (1 unit afaik, the rest for pixel processing) :. But that's not the case with new 6 series gpu, all of them are dynamic cores which can share the workload.
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