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I have upgraded my vibrant plan to 4g and I was wondering if anyone can make a zip for the 4g signal that will match the frobuntu donate theme I asked the developer for frobuntu if he could he hasn't yet so post it on that page if possible I hope he doesn't mind
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It has been posted: http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...48#post9576448
The link is down..
Sorry Here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=846285&page=4
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http://www.multiupload.com/1TXL90R4T2
Vibrant 4g plan?
4g plan?
Vibrant + sXe V3.1 + OCLF
The Web plans were renamed they are still the same at T-Mobile you will only recieve full 4g speeds in 4g areas and on 4g phones.
How do you get a 4g plan on a 3g phone? I did notice in the Flashable Stock JK6 rom sombionix posted has both 3g and 4g icons. I thought you had to have a 4g phone to get 4g service.
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How do you get a 4g plan on a 3g phone? I did notice in the Flashable Stock JK6 rom sombionix posted has both 3g and 4g icons. I thought you had to have a 4g phone to get 4g service.
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I'm thinking the samething. 4g would be based on hardware radio and 4g connection.
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You could change the icon to say 10g and you would still never get 4g speeds. Vibrant doesn't support that speed.
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Vibrant hardware only supports up to 7mb/s
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Technicly Speaking Vibrant does support so Called "4G" speed, since its not 4g on Tmobile, 4G its either Wimax (sprint has it) or LTE , T-Mobile has only HSPA+ , so whats HSPA+ its the Same HSDPA network which is Considered to be 3.5G, and since its HSDPA I got speed on Vibrant in Alabama 4.7MBit Per second on speed test, 3G Doesnt support that speed because 3G is UMTS its max 3.6MBit per second, New HTC G2 and HTC Evo 4g or whatever tmobile has at the moment calling "4G" phone doesnt Support LTE or WiMax, it supports HSDPA with 14.4MBit per second speeds, Vibrant works on same Frequency and same HSDPA with 7.2Mbit per second which is Twice less. So Basicly if lets say you live in city where VIbrant can get 3MBit per second , you 4G phone will get 3Mbit as well, but if you live in city where you can get 7Mbits per second on your G2 or 4G phone you will get same speed on Vibrant too. Just icon will not be changed. The trick Tmobile using to let you think you are on 4G instead of 3.5G is by Setting HSDPA network icon as H or 4G instead of regular icon 3G , when phone goes to UMTS it shows 3G, when it goes to GSM it gets to E and so on . So its just Icon nothing more, stop worrying about Icons , what really matters that Tmobile doesnt offer speeds of more than 5Mbit anywhere yet. Maybe maximum 6Mbits if you live close enough to HSDPA Tower. (like 10 feet away). And this speed Vibrant will hold on ease. So Main Point and Bottom Line is ANY Phone that supports HSDPA Network with up to 7.2Mbit per second will be receiving Maximum Tmobile Speed which is avarage 3-5Mbit per second depends on your location and dont mind if it says 3G and not 4G speed on your phone will be Exacly the same since its Same Network HSDPA. Hope it clears everything since its Just Marketing Trick nothing else.
Oh forgot to mention if you have 2 phones in your hand both Vibrant (or any other 3.5g phone) and 4G phone from tmobile , both on same tmobile, sometimes difference can be in speed because it also depends on Antena strenght on your phone, some phones have better antena thats why they get more singnal but difference is not big at all. And if you ll stand next to HSPA+ (HSDPA) Tower with both Phones in your hands , Speed will be IDENTICAL. But on NEW phone it will show 4G even if its on same 3.5G (HSDPA or so Called HSPA+ how tmobile likes to call it) So 4G phone is basicly has overclocked Icon and Vibrant downclocked icon which Displays 3G , I think both phones would be correct if they will show H or 3.5G icon. But if they both will show H or 3.5G who will buy 4g phone ? and why the hell Tmobile then shows comercial of 4g ? Tmobile doesnt want you to know the truth, they want you to believe that by Buying 4G phone (which costs more) you will get better speed which is a big fat lie. Otherwise you will not fall for it and stick with your 7.2MBit/s HSDPA phone and it doesnt matter if its Vibrant or G1 or anyother phone. If you want to check which phones support 7.2MBit on HSDPA or 14.4 and see phones that have Wimax or upcoming LTE check gsmarena.com
these are all 3.5G Phone available for all carriers at the moment notice MyTouch 4G on tmobile in the list ) http://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sName=&idMaker=0&chkHSDPA2100=selected&idAvailability=0&YearAnnounced=0&nPriceLow=0&nPriceHigh=0&idCurrency=0&idFormFactor=0&idDualSIM=0&idQwerty=0&HeightMax=0&WidthMax=0&ThicknessMax=0&WeightMax=0&idOS=11&idDisplay=0&idDisplayRes=0&fDisplaySize=0&idDisplayTech=0&idTouchscreen=0&idAccelerometer=0&id35mm=0&idCamera=0&idCameraFlash=0&idVideoRecorder=0&idSecondaryCamera=0&idExpansionCard=0&idGPS=0&bWLAN=0&bEDGE=0&bGPRS=0&idBluetooth=0&bIR=0&bEmail=0&bWAP=0&bJava=0&idRadio=0&bMMS=0&idRingtones=0&sColor=&StandBy=0&TalkTime=0&sFreeText=
Abriviation of HSPA is High Speed Packet Access, Which has 2 types, HSDPA (High Speed "download" Packet Access) and HSUPA (Upload speed)
Niether WiMax nor LTE are 4G, apparently.
They're just faster than what has gone before, but still slower than HSPA+, if memory serves.
Regardless of all that, 'upgrading' your plan to "4G" is stupid with a Vibrant, b/c it doesn't support anything resembling said *G.
-bZj
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Oh forgot to mention if you have 2 phones in your hand both Vibrant (or any other 3.5g phone) and 4G phone from tmobile , both on same tmobile, sometimes difference can be in speed because it also depends on Antena strenght on your phone, some phones have better antena thats why they get more singnal but difference is not big at all. And if you ll stand next to HSPA+ (HSDPA) Tower with both Phones in your hands , Speed will be IDENTICAL. But on NEW phone it will show 4G even if its on same 3.5G (HSDPA or so Called HSPA+ how tmobile likes to call it) So 4G phone is basicly has overclocked Icon and Vibrant downclocked icon which Displays 3G , I think both phones would be correct if they will show H or 3.5G icon. But if they both will show H or 3.5G who will buy 4g phone ? and why the hell Tmobile then shows comercial of 4g ? Tmobile doesnt want you to know the truth, they want you to believe that by Buying 4G phone (which costs more) you will get better speed which is a big fat lie. Otherwise you will not fall for it and stick with your 7.2MBit/s HSDPA phone and it doesnt matter if its Vibrant or G1 or anyother phone. If you want to check which phones support 7.2MBit on HSDPA or 14.4 and see phones that have Wimax or upcoming LTE check gsmarena.com
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the mytouch 4g gets better speeds. Side by side with my friend's mt4g i get 1.5mb max he gets 2.7mb max.
Ok WiMax is slightly Faster than HSDPA for sure (dont mind spint since they USE 3g not WIMAX Network) LTE Can hold Speeds up to 60MBit per second in most countries Minimum speed is 20MBit per second, WiMax can hold up to 20Mbit as well in Most european countries it gets 9-10Mbit Per second. And 3MBit in bad locations. So Officially... 4G its LTE 2 or Wimax 2 which are next generations of Wimax and LTE. But here how it goes, GSM first Geneneration is GPRS, then second Generation is EDGE , then goes UMTS network for phones with Sim Cards, And EDVO-A (same 3g) for CDMA phones. Now Next generation which is 3.5G Its HSPA (HSPA+ its not a special network its still HSPA ) So with Maximum Download Speeds HSDPA 14.4Mbit per second, and upload HSUPA 5.72MBit. Now lets get to 4G , or I preffer to call it PRE-4G But after 3.5G. Main Candidate is LTE! Since I never saw Speed on LTE Network anywhere in europe Less than 14Mbit per second and Maximum speed I saw was 68mbit per second or so with some Europe Mobile Provider. Now lets go to WIMAX. Its not even Mobile network such as GSM or UMTS or HSPA or LTE. Its more of Next generation of WIFI. It works and acts as wifi more than Mobile network but with Big difference. Wifi N Routers for example can work up to 300feet range maybe even little more. While Wimax can work up to like 30-50mile RANGE! So basicly Internet Providers just Use those Special Routers with Huge Antena so you will get signal in your city And trasmit very big download and upload speeds. So thats Wimax. its like Extended range WiFi nothing else. So basicly if Sprint even has WiMax they are acting more like Att or Verizon DSL with speeds up to 3mbit per second plan and just trasmit it over WiMax to you if you are in range ofcourse. If not you will use just EDVO-A (3g)
So Basicly 2g is GSM or CDMA, 3g is UMTS or EDVO-A, 3.5G is HSPA, Pre4G or 4G Candidate is LTE at the moment. And real 4G will be LTE2. Wimax is just Next generation of WiFi.
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the mytouch 4g gets better speeds. Side by side with my friend's mt4g i get 1.5mb max he gets 2.7mb max.
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Well try to run tests like 10 times , and calculate avarage speed. I had problem with my Vibrant that I got 2.8Mbit one time on 1 spot. Its called Latency (lag) then I reran speedtest and it showed 4.5mbit per second. So does it Mean my "3g" phone faster than his 4g ? No since his phone capable of holding 14.4mbit per second on HSDPA while my only 7.2Mbit, But it could mean one of two things, 1 your phone is deffective antena or software for antena or HTC has better Antena and or better Firmware which makes antenna signal is better. Tmobile just doesnt provide good speed in your area. And when you ll run same test on same spot (do not hold sides of your since it can lose signal Antena is on the side of the phone you are blocking it) The proper way to test you and your friends phone is. Put both phones on table make sure distance will be at least few feet from each other so they will not block frequencies of each other. And press SPEEDTEST app same time. And run test about 5-10 times, if your phone will still show slower speed, try to change places put your phone on his place and his on yours. And if still you will get slower speed I suggest you go replace phone since you got it with deffective antena or firmware. But I bet his phone works with Froyo and Vibrant doesnt even have official froyo yet that may fix antena signal. I think vibrant has same problem as Iphone 4 had. But iphone 4 fixed it with 4.1 Firmware which updated baseband and Vibrant didnt have any fix. Anyway I got 4.7Mbit per second driving my car on Highway in Alabama using Stock Android 2.1 JK6. I didnt test speeds in that place anymore sitting on Axura 2.0.6 but in Miami, FL I get mostly 2.5-3.6mbit per second. But im sure if you ll go with your friend to T-Mobile HSPA tower (if you know the location) and put your phones to test you will get same speed. Tmobile doesnt offer bigger speeds than 6mbit Im sure of it. So the phones are equal at the moment.
If you don't like the option for the 4g keep it to yourself but for you idiots I have 4g coverage on my vibrant I upgraded it a few weeks ago and it shows up on my bill as unlimited 4g web so call t-mobile and ask them to upgrade your plan, making statements that you fail to research is ignorant and you just look stupid
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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- You've seen the 4G advertisements from T-Mobile, Sprint and Verizon, bragging about a much-better wireless network with blazing fast speeds.
Here's the secret the carriers don't advertise: 4G is a myth. Like the unicorn, it hasn't been spotted anywhere in the wild just yet -- and won't be any time in the near future.
The International Telecommunication Union, the global wireless standards-setting organization, determined last month that 4G is defined as a network capable of download speeds of 100 megabits per second (Mbps). That's fast enough to download an average high-definition movie in about three minutes.
None of the new networks the carriers are rolling out meet that standard.
Sprint (S, Fortune 500) was the first to launch a network called 4G, going live with it earlier this year. Then, T-Mobile launched its 4G network, claiming to be "America's largest 4G network." Verizon (VZ, Fortune 500) plans to launch its 4G network by the end of the year, which it claims will be the nation's largest and the fastest. AT&T (T, Fortune 500) is expected to unveil its 4G network next year.
Those networks have theoretical speeds of a fifth to a half that of the official 4G standard. The actual speeds the carriers say they'll achieve are just a tenth of "real" 4G.
So why are the carriers calling these networks 4G?
It's mostly a matter of PR, industry experts say. Explaining what the wireless carriers' new networks should be called, and what they'll be capable of, is a confusing mess.
To illustrate: Sprint bought a majority stake in Clearwire (CLWR), which uses a new network technology called WiMAX that's capable of speeds ranging from 3 Mbps to 10 Mbps. That's a different technology from Verizon's new network, based on a standard called Long Term Evolution (LTE), which will average 5 Mbps to 12 Mbps.
Seeing what its competitors were up to, T-Mobile opted to increase the speed capabilities of its existing 3G-HSPA+ network instead of pursuing a new technology. Its expanded network -- now called 4G -- will reach speeds of 5 Mbps to 12 Mbps.
No matter what they're called, all of these upgrades are clear improvements -- and the carriers shelled out billions to make them. Current "3G" networks offer actual speeds that range from between 500 kilobits per second to 1.5 Mbps.
So Sprint and Verizon have new, faster networks that are still technically not 4G, while T-Mobile has an old, though still faster network that is actually based on 3G technology.
Confused yet? That's why they all just opted to call themselves "4G."
The carriers get defensive about the topic.
"It's very misleading to make a decision about what's 4G based on speed alone," said Stephanie Vinge-Walsh, spokeswoman for Sprint Nextel. "It is a challenge we face in an extremely competitive industry."
T-Mobile did not respond to a request for comment.
One network representative, who asked not to be identified, claimed that ITU's 4G line-in-the-sand is being misconstrued. The organization previously approved the use of the term "4G" for Sprint's WiMAX and Verizon's LTE networks, he said -- though not for T-Mobile's HSPA+ network.
ITU's PR department ignored that approval in its recent statement about how future wireless technologies would be measured, the representative said. ITU representatives were not immediately available for comment.
"I'm not getting into a technical debate," said Jeffrey Nelson, spokesman for Verizon Wireless. "Consumers will quickly realize that there's really a difference between the capabilities of various wireless data networks. All '4G' is not the same."
And that's what's so difficult. The term 4G has become meaningless and confusing as hell for wireless customers.
For instance, T-Mobile's 4G network, which is technically 3G, will have speeds that are at least equal to -- and possibly faster -- than Verizon's 4G-LTE network at launch. At the same time, AT&T's 3G network, which is also being scaled up like T-Mobile's, is not being labeled "4G."
That's why some industry experts predict that the term "4G" will soon vanish.
"The labeling of wireless broadband based on technical jargon is likely to fade away in 2011," said Dan Hays, partner at industry consultancy PRTM. "That will be good news for the consumer. Comparing carriers based on their network coverage and speed will give them more facts to make more informed decisions."
Hays expects that independent researchers -- or the Federal Communications Commission -- will step in next year to perform speed and coverage tests.
Meanwhile, don't expect anyone to hold the carriers' feet to the fire.
"Historically, ITU's classification system has not held a great degree of water and has not been used to enforce branding," Hays said. "Everyone started off declaring themselves to be 4G long before the official decision on labeling was made. The ITU was three to four years too late to make an meaningful impact on the industry's use of the term."
I got 4g speed on mine after my upgrade and my signal went from 3g to now says H.
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My Vibrant is on T-mobile and I'm in a contract for a long time to come. My speeds are ok but IMO not great.
I have an AT&T Blackberry from work so I decided to do a test. I unlocked my Vibrant and put my AT&T sim in it. Sure enough my speeds were 2-3X better than I've gotten with my t-mobile service.
Any way to make my phone use those nice AT&T towers or get those greater speeds while on T-mobile?
(and yes, I'm on Bionix V and yes I've tried numerous different modems )
Thanks.
Edit: The most confusing part to me is I actually get a stronger signal with T-mobile. hmpf.
That's odd about the speed boost.
From my understanding, TMO's and ATT frequency for 3G is different. And it's not a software thing, it's a hardware chip. So I think it may of been a fluke of the speed increase.
It is most likely due to maybe where you are you have a stronger ATT signal than TMO, but again, you shouldn't be able to get AT&T 3G on the vibrant, even if unlocked. Since like I said , it's a hardware chip that runs on a different frequency for 3G.
@eminembdg Yes you can get 3G speeds on an Unlocked Vibrant on AT&T. The Vibrant is a Quad-Band device so the radio can pick up AT&T 3G frequency.
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@eminembdg Yes you can get 3G speeds on an Unlocked Vibrant on AT&T. The Vibrant is a Quad-Band device so the radio can pick up AT&T 3G frequency.
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Except in areas where the 3G exclusively uses the 850Mhz band. AT&T uses two frequencies for 3G. One works with the Vibrant but the other doesn't.
Right, I certainly am not trying to start up the 850Mhz debate.
This was just a simple test - put in my AT&T sim, I get mbit speeds. Put in my t-mobile sim and get kbit speeds
Ok guys I have an atrix 4g running on t-mobile. My question is why cant I get 4g/3g on this phone ? T-mobile runs on the 2100 band and the phone does support that band so why no 4g or 3g? common sense would tell me that if t-mo runs 4g on 2100 and the phone is capable of running on 2100 that it would work. have searched for a total of about 4 hours or so over the past couple days and cant find a straight answer only thing i can find is that att doesnt run on 2100 band yet the phone does. thanks in advance to anybody that can answer and taking the time to read.
are you getting H+ or H? (This is "3.5g") The Atrix 4g is not a true 4g phone.
Because the 2100 spectrum that you're using the phone on now is part of the quad-band gsm which is edge/2g. The difference lies in the bands used for 3g/4g, in which case AT&T only uses 850/1900 and tmobile only uses 1700/2100.
There is also a bunch of things that include HSPA, AWS, WCDMA, and so on and so on but I don't know enough about that to comment.
EDIT: Also, the only phones I know that can be used on both AT&T and Tmobile 3g/4g are "penta-band" phones like some European Nokia phones and the unlocked Galaxy Nexus that needs to be imported as well.
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Ok guys I have an atrix 4g running on t-mobile. My question is why cant I get 4g/3g on this phone ? T-mobile runs on the 2100 band and the phone does support that band so why no 4g or 3g? common sense would tell me that if t-mo runs 4g on 2100 and the phone is capable of running on 2100 that it would work. have searched for a total of about 4 hours or so over the past couple days and cant find a straight answer only thing i can find is that att doesnt run on 2100 band yet the phone does. thanks in advance to anybody that can answer and taking the time to read.
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Wcdma=utms=3g
Yes, WCDMA and AWS(1700), as far as I know, are both from UMTS and the differences in regards to 3G between AT&T and Tmobile lie in the spectrum use (850&1900 vs 1700&2100). And both AT&T and Tmobile use HSPA(+) based off their respected UMTS frequencies.
I just don't understand the "leap" in GSM technology that breaks the quad-band compatibility, that's all.
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Wcdma=utms=3g
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Also I've read 850 is att's main spectrum for large areas and 900 for T-Mobile. All higher spectrums are for smaller, rural areas.
If your looking for 3g maybe find a town or, buy a dual band amplifier? That's IF they have 2100 MHz band working where you are located.
Lower bands ie 850/900 are the download streams. 1700/1900/2100 are upload streams. If I'm not mistaken
Also a T-Mobile vibrant supports att, it also has our main band, 850mhz. Again which is the main large areas, like T-Mobile 900mhz. 1700-2100mhz for att/T-Mobile range is only as good as the towns that still has that band currently operating for hspa/3g data. I've seen alot of T-Mobile phones that have 850/1900/2100, and work on att. If they were 1600/1900/2100 did not for me.
You need that lower frequencies to ensure it to work. Then....
Also for regional based frequencies...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Mobile_Telecommunications_System
That link will let you know what that all really means.
I think you are mixing up gsm and umts.
GSM = 2G/Edge
UMTS (HSPA, HSPA+, HSDPA/HSUPA, WCDMA, AWS) = 3G
Have a look here. You will see they label "3G" as "UMTS" which is HSPA/WCDMA. A little more down you can see they label their data as "HSDPA", which is download, and "HSUPA" which is upload. Further delineating the speeds they label either one as UMTS for down and Edge as up, which to me tells me they use gsm for the upload and only use UMTS for download. Either way, there is not a T-mobile phone available that can be unlocked and used on AT&T's 3G, just 2G and vice versa. As I have previously mentioned, you will need a penta-band phone for that.
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Also I've read 850 is att's main spectrum for large areas and 900 for T-Mobile. All higher spectrums are for smaller, rural areas.
If your looking for 3g maybe find a town or, buy a dual band amplifier? That's IF they have 2100 MHz band working where you are located.
Lower bands ie 850/900 are the download streams. 1700/1900/2100 are upload streams. If I'm not mistaken
Also a T-Mobile vibrant supports att, it also has our main band, 850mhz. Again which is the main large areas, like T-Mobile 900mhz. 1700-2100mhz for att/T-Mobile range is only as good as the towns that still has that band currently operating for hspa/3g data. I've seen alot of T-Mobile phones that have 850/1900/2100, and work on att. If they were 1600/1900/2100 did not for me.
You need that lower frequencies to ensure it to work. Then....
Also for regional based frequencies...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Mobile_Telecommunications_System
That link will let you know what that all really means.
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And don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to give anyone a hard time but it's misinformation to tell anyone that a T-mobile phone can work on AT&T 3G.
And I'll say it again, I'm not an expert so if anyone can better explain then I'm all ears (eyes).
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I think you are mixing up gsm and umts.
GSM = 2G/Edge
UMTS (HSPA, HSPA+, HSDPA/HSUPA, WCDMA, AWS) = 3G
Have a look here. You will see they label "3G" as "UMTS" which is HSPA/WCDMA. A little more down you can see they label their data as "HSDPA", which is download, and "HSUPA" which is upload. Further delineating the speeds they label either one as UMTS for down and Edge as up, which to me tells me they use gsm for the upload and only use UMTS for download. Either way, there is not a T-mobile phone available that can be unlocked and used on AT&T's 3G, just 2G and vice versa. As I have previously mentioned, you will need a penta-band phone for that.
And don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to give anyone a hard time but it's misinformation to tell anyone that a T-mobile phone can work on AT&T 3G.
And I'll say it again, I'm not an expert so if anyone can better explain then I'm all ears (eyes).
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I am just merely stating that I have a motorola defy on ATT, and it worked great for a long time with great speeds before I got a motorola atrix and infuse.
Im not saying that every tmobile phone will have working talk/text, or data for that matter. I have just posted an idea, or atleast what to look for when you are cruising for phones not labeled for your carrier.
I was getting my motorola defy with the att "grand fathered internet" for 10 dollars a month and it was about 160-420KB/s down, and 80-190KB/s up. but some phones are capable of this, others arent. I have a general idea, and have played with several different carrier cellphones and used them with att and att's 3g data.
Rogers HTC Dream (x2 of them)
Telus Milestone
Tmobile Defy
Rogers Atrix
ATT Atrix (x2 of them)
ATT Infuse
Rogers and Telus actually use the same 3G bands as AT&T so as long as those are unlocked they will work. And I'm not saying an unlocked T-mobile can't work on AT&T, because they can (they both use quad-band gsm) but you can not use an unlocked T-mobile phone an AT&T 3G. That's all I'm saying.
Now, they did make an European version of the Defy that uses the 850 3G band but not the T-mobile "branded" one.
I'm going to stick to my guns on this one because I don't want to give anyone the wrong idea about interchanging AT&T and T-mobile phones and expecting 3G service. I'm fairly certain about this and unless someone can prove otherwise that's how I will think.
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I am just merely stating that I have a motorola defy on ATT, and it worked great for a long time with great speeds before I got a motorola atrix and infuse.
Im not saying that every tmobile phone will have working talk/text, or data for that matter. I have just posted an idea, or atleast what to look for when you are cruising for phones not labeled for your carrier.
I was getting my motorola defy with the att "grand fathered internet" for 10 dollars a month and it was about 160-420KB/s down, and 80-190KB/s up. but some phones are capable of this, others arent. I have a general idea, and have played with several different carrier cellphones and used them with att and att's 3g data.
Rogers HTC Dream (x2 of them)
Telus Milestone
Tmobile Defy
Rogers Atrix
ATT Atrix (x2 of them)
ATT Infuse
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Upon further research, I have found this article, where under certain circumstances, you can use an unlocked AT&T iPhone with T-mobile 3G:
http://www.gsmarena.com/tmobile_usa_running_1900mhz_3g_in_some_areas_iphones_invited-news-3537.php
Now, this shows that an AT&T phone can maybe use T-mobile 3G but not the other way around. Again, I'm always up for learning something new but I need references/proof.
Well I do get att 3g on the defy and vibrant. I am currently getting about 300ish KB/s on them and 600+KB/s on my attic, I'm just going with the facts. Those facts are that certain T-Mobile phones will work with Att, provided they have 850mhz band. That allows you in most towns (near me) to get 3g
False.
300KB/s is Edge speed, which is only 2G.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2G
http://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/term.php?gid=107
That's why you get faster speeds on the Atrix because it actually uses 3G.
Again, both AT&T and T-mobile use quad-band GSM. Which is why you can unlock a T-mobile phone and use it on AT&T, and vice versa, but it is only 2G/Edge and NOT 3G.
http://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/term.php?gid=139
http://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/term.php?gid=3
Furthermore, here are the wiki pages for AT&T and T-mobile which both inlcude frequency charts outlining the technology (2G or 3G) each one uses:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT&T_Wireless
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_USA
Here are the charts:
AT&T:
Frequency Protocol Class
Frequencies used on the AT&T Network
850 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE 2G
1900 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE 2G
850 MHz UMTS/HSPA 3G
1900 MHz UMTS/HSPA 3G
700 MHz LTE 4G
T-mobile:
Frequency Band Protocol
850 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE 2G
1900 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE 2G
1700 MHz UMTS (W-CDMA)/HSPA/HSPA+ 4G (formerly 3G[34])
1900 MHz UMTS (W-CDMA)/HSPA/HSPA+ 4G
I check for facts and references, I'm only saying what I find in research.
Again, when unlocked, a T-mobile phone can use AT&T 2G/Edge, not 3G
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Well I do get att 3g on the defy and vibrant. I am currently getting about 300ish KB/s on them and 600+KB/s on my attic, I'm just going with the facts. Those facts are that certain T-Mobile phones will work with Att, provided they have 850mhz band. That allows you in most towns (near me) to get 3g
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How do you enable hspa+ on an atrix 4g? I can never seem to get the "H+" or "4g" icon, only H (i've checked inside the phone settings and it is definitely just hspa, not hspa+, or hspa: category 10 or otherwise)
I bought my atrix 4g off craigslist and used it on ATT straight talk for a month and had horrible speeds and never had hspa+ (only hspa) so I had the phone carrier unlocked and took it to tmobile monthly 4g but still I am only getting hspa (not hspa+).
Basically, is this phone capable of getting "pseduo-4g" hspa+ or is it locked to hspa? I've seen several mentions of ATT shipping the phone with hspa+ disabled, but no way of knowing how to enable it.
Other info: I am currently using neutrino ROM.
Thanks!
You will only get edge on t mobile with any att phone.............
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Well, its now an unlocked phone and I know I get more than edge because I have hspa right now.
tgeo said:
Well, its now an unlocked phone and I know I get more than edge because I have hspa right now.
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I already gave you the answer... If you believe you can get 3g with an atrix 2 on t mobile, you must be a hero.
The bands are not compatible. A quick google search will plainly show you that.
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fireforhire said:
I already gave you the answer... If you believe you can get 3g with an atrix 2 on t mobile, you must be a hero.
The bands are not compatible. A quick google search will plainly show you that.
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Except that Tmobile is refarming their 1900mhz pcs from 2g to 3g... so yeah you can. Las Vegas and Kansas City are already official... so what?
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Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong, the Atrix 4G does 14.4mbps hspa, isn't the 21mbps the actual hspa+?
I know it may not be possible but, Hes talking about an ATRIX 4g. Not ATRIX 2. READ MUCH???
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The Atrix 4G and the Atrix 2 both support T-Mobile's "4G" network which is simply HSPA+ but the best you'll do with the Atrix 4G is 14.4 Mbps (good luck getting that actual speed). The Atrix 2 can hit the 21.1Mbps but not the 42Mbps speeds, and again, good luck with that.
The Atrix 4G is fully capable of being used with T-Mobile now that they are refarming/rolling out their 3G and "4G" 1900 MHz band, people in some areas still haven't gotten the upgrade yet but in many places in the US you can get 3G speeds and even the "4G" HSPA+ with that device on T-Mobile without issues. Here in Vegas when they turned that on a few weeks back (the day the iPhone 5 was released) I had an Atrix 4G and got T-Mobile 3G/HSPA+ service that afternoon with speeds in excess of 6Mbps because I live across the street from a cell site for them, average is about 3-5Mbps most of the time.
The Atrix 4G will most commonly show HSPA:10 when used with T-Mobile, in my experience (that's on ICS or JB ROMs, GB won't show that level of detail/info).
As for the HSPA or HSPA+, they all basically work the same way. 14.4Mbps is considered under the HSPA+ "umbrella" as the saying might go.
br0adband said:
The Atrix 4G and the Atrix 2 both support T-Mobile's "4G" network which is simply HSPA+ but the best you'll do with the Atrix 4G is 14.4 Mbps (good luck getting that actual speed). The Atrix 2 can hit the 21.1Mbps but not the 42Mbps speeds, and again, good luck with that.
The Atrix 4G is fully capable of being used with T-Mobile now that they are refarming/rolling out their 3G and "4G" 1900 MHz band, people in some areas still haven't gotten the upgrade yet but in many places in the US you can get 3G speeds and even the "4G" HSPA+ with that device on T-Mobile without issues. Here in Vegas when they turned that on a few weeks back (the day the iPhone 5 was released) I had an Atrix 4G and got T-Mobile 3G/HSPA+ service that afternoon with speeds in excess of 6Mbps because I live across the street from a cell site for them, average is about 3-5Mbps most of the time.
The Atrix 4G will most commonly show HSPA:10 when used with T-Mobile, in my experience (that's on ICS or JB ROMs, GB won't show that level of detail/info).
As for the HSPA or HSPA+, they all basically work the same way. 14.4Mbps is considered under the HSPA+ "umbrella" as the saying might go.
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I didn't know tmob where deploying a hspa frequency that at&T use. Thanks for that tip.
10Mbps achieved on Atrix on at&T 3g network here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1905464
hspa category 10 is 'characterized' as hspa+ but is not hspa+ (evolved hspa) and should not display h+ or 4g on the status bar for that reason. The 4g branding is exactly that... "branding" and at&T should have never used 4g in the name in my opinion. They always said "4g like speeds"
See post #4 at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1912716 where there are also a couple links I posted that I found interesting on this subject.
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Hmm, interesting info guys. I do indeed live in Vegas and have been using a GB ROM (maybe I'm not seeing hspa: category 10 because of this).
Sounds like I've done all I can then, thanks!
tgeo said:
Hmm, interesting info guys. I do indeed live in Vegas and have been using a GB ROM (maybe I'm not seeing hspa: category 10 because of this).
Sounds like I've done all I can then, thanks!
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Only ics and jb display the additional radio info.
The key is that you are on a radio that is suited to your rom and provider. 36p and 37p are the two most popular at&t radios, 37p being the official production release and used on many releases. Both 36p and 37p operate at hspa 10. Each provider is at differing phases, as well as having differing standards in their network, for how they implement the any bells and whistles of cellular. There is so much to it.
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Terrible speeds with H+ Icon. Hspa marked as H+.
I am only getting Edge, Umts and HsPa.. My phone marks hspa as H+. I check on status and Umts and Hspa is marked as H+.. My speeds are terrible, only getting 1.8 mbps.
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I am only getting Edge, Umts and HsPa.. My phone marks hspa as H+. I check on status and Umts and Hspa is marked as H+.. My speeds are terrible, only getting 1.8 mbps.
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Might get the app on Google Play called Antennas, it'll show you the cell sites/towers you're connected to on maps; if you're connected at a given mode (like HSPA or UMTS) but you're pretty far from the site/tower, that could be the primary reason you get the "terrible" speeds. Antennas does work best, however, by putting the phone in 2G/EDGE mode but it is capable of doing 3G/4G/HSPA/UMTS/etc as well.
I live literally across the street from the main site/tower that I stay connected to so I pull 5-8Mbps when I'm in HSPA+ mode but, I keep my Photon in 2G/EDGE mode probably 99% of the time, I have Wi-Fi at home also so there's just no reason to use up any of my 5GB of bandwidth for the "4G" side of things.
T-Mobile 1900 mhz service on Atrix 4G in MD!!
So having played with a couple of 4Gś @ work (and how unawesome they made my G2x look!) I purchased a combo phone and lapdock. This before i realized they worked on different frequencies!!! DOH!
Fortunately, T-Mobś been ahead of me on the curve. I read that they started the long road to providing their service to the souls stranded out in Verizon &/or AT&T limbo...
So I swapped my sim and...Yaaaay! 4 of 5 bars of....wait for it... H+!!!:laugh:
Then, BOOOOO! No data! No MMS. No internet!:crying:
A few hours of online (and Iḿ ashamed to say, trial and error build prop editing) plus 3 calls to T-Mob yielded this in an email:
¨APN settings for data and picture messaging (MMS): Android" on T-mobileś support page (as a noob I cannot post the link):silly:
Iḿ now docked, working, spotifying and sharing ´ẃif my XDA fam!¨
Hope this helps!
I recently bought an unlocked Atrix 4g off ebay to use on my tmobile plan. Everything went smooth except that I'm having issues with slow internet. I've looked all over for a solution(youtube, google, xda forums, etc.) All I've been able to come up with was that until late 2012 this phone wasn't even able to connect to tmobile except on 2g, and a bunch of useless(to me) instructions on how to change my APN.
At this point the phone tells me I'm on 3g, and I consistently have 3-5 bars. My old sidekick had 4g in 90% of the area and 3g everywhere else, so I know for a fact that there is coverage. However when I do a speed test I get an average of 25-50Kbps download and upload, occasionally I get 170Kbps. I've called tmobile and verified that there is EDGE network support in my area(apparently also HSPDA but no HSPA+). I just installed GSM Singal Monitoring app from the play store which is also telling me I'm on EDGE network type.
I've tried every combination of APN settings I can find on the internet including cingular settings and have come up with nothing. This data transfer rates don't drop, and don't get better. Does anyone have any suggestions? I'm sure it's not the phone, I can get 18Mbps at work on the wifi(running tests, downloads I've seen up to 4MB/s or 32Mbps). Also if there's anything I need to do on the phone to get internet speeds which requires root, I've already rooted the phone. The only thing I've installed since the root is CWM.
I have used both the Atrix 4G and Atrix HD on T-Mobile. The 4G does not have the radio frequencies needed for 4G / LTE data service from T-Mobile, but the HD does. In fact the HD is a perfect match for T-Mobile frequencies. You can check out the detailed specs for these phones on GSMARENA.
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I also am on TMOUS, the best I've gotten is 5.3 Download 2.7upload on edge.
Im not sure why but I cannot use 3g.Not for a lack of trying though.(tried many apn settings,and even playing with the Dev radio settings)
I want to set the facts straight. The only T-Mobile frequencies that are compatible with the bands on our 'specific' devices are for 2G, Recently T-Mobile has refarmed their towers to support unlocked AT&T devices like ours, specifically they refarmed the towers in 'certain' areas to broadcast and receive 1900 mhz waves that our device's can use for 3G and so called "4G" If you only get 2G that's because there are no nearby towers functioning on the 1900 mhz frequencies.
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I want to set the facts straight. The only T-Mobile frequencies that are compatible with the bands on our 'specific' devices are for 2G, Recently T-Mobile has refarmed their towers to support unlocked AT&T devices like ours, specifically they refarmed the towers in 'certain' areas to broadcast and receive 1900 mhz waves that our device's can use for 3G and so called "4G" If you only get 3G that's because there are no nearby towers functioning on the 1900 mhz frequencies.
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I would like to add that I own an Atrix 4G on T-Mobile (in Chicago), and I get Edge, 3G AND HSPA+ signals. OP was correct in that the phone wasn't able to connect to the other bands except on 2G until about december 2012 (they expanded in order to entice iPhone users to switch providers).
But currently the MB860 (Atrix 4G) *does* work on HSPA+ (which is often called 4G, even though it is not true 4G LTE), which is still much faster than 3G.
post or send be a copy of your apn settings.I'm in Houston and they've reformed their towers here.
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I would love it to already get fast 3g for anything else I also have an ahd
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