....that some people don't like this phone.
Well i started to hate motorola after buying this phone (even though i consider it a great phone) so i don't think that is strange that other people who previusly had a motorola know ar not buying it anymore
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Well i started to hate motorola after buying this phone (even though i consider it a great phone) so i don't think that is strange that other people who previusly had a motorola know ar not buying it anymore
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Why did you hate Motorola after buying this phone?
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Why did you hate Motorola after buying this phone?
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For not caring a shi*t of they costumers and for locking the bootlaoder on an open source os like android
Android should be open and free to all of us to play with. Bootloader
Battery life => 2 Days RazrMaxx
I want to complain about having a fully functional phone that exceeds my expectations every day. I would also like to complain about not having a completely free update to my phone the exact second someone on the internet told me it would be avaliable. You know what? Stop fixing bugs Motorola. I want my software now otherwise a couple weeks down the road, I'll have nothing to complain about. And as a consumer, I always need something to complain about! Nothing is good enough for me! Rabble rabble rabble!
There you go, I just summarized this forum over the past couple weeks.
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I want to complain about having a fully functional phone that exceeds my expectations every day. I would also like to complain about not having a completely free update to my phone the exact second someone on the internet told me it would be avaliable. You know what? Stop fixing bugs Motorola. I want my software now otherwise a couple weeks down the road, I'll have nothing to complain about. And as a consumer, I always need something to complain about! Nothing is good enough for me! Rabble rabble rabble!
There you go, I just summarized this forum over the past couple weeks.
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This made my day hahahahahahaa xD
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I'll see you in hell.. where the devil knows my name...
I have a Razr Maxx side by side with a Galaxy Nexus, and taking out all the politics and love/hate to their manufacturers, here is my evaluation of them as PHONES (ya know, thingies that make calls):
- Gnex - early ICS, tried more than 10 different ROMs until I settled for one that is just blazing fast. Battery - barely a day. Insufficient battery life, for my needs.
- Razr - Good hardware. Lots of trolling on forums, caused by Motorola's delays. Amazing battery, but without several ROMs to test, the only usable thing is an ICS leak that underperforms - sluggish, and no native SIP (no, I don't want it through 3rd party apps - Gnex's ICS has it. Period.).
I do have a 3200mAh battery for the Gnex. Lasts more than a day with it, but looks like a telephone with a disease. Or a very healthy brick.
At the end of the day, I like them both, but I just wish I had a Gnex with the Razr's battery.
I want to complain about ics leak 211 running great on my RAZR Maxx. ..but then I woke up and realised its as good as it selling. I read something today stating the RAZR/Maxx line gas outsold Verizon's iPhone 4s finally. Might not be much but that's a good foothold.
I like my razr, really much, he's like a son for me, the perfect son.
I just hate motorola, really hate..
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Other than the data issue with this phone. Its perfectly fine.
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For not caring a shi*t of they costumers and for locking the bootlaoder on an open source os like android
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Android should be open and free to all of us to play with. Bootloader
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None of your gripes happened after you bought your phones. Why would you buy a phone that did not meet your needs? And Android IS open source... to the manufacturers. You DO understand that Motorola is a business, right? They're not a non-profit organization serving some altruistic higher calling. They have one obligation- to sell phones, tablets, and accessories at a price that will generate a profit for the stockholders. That's it. They never promised an unlocked bootloader. They have, historically, given free updates to the folk who buy their phones.
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None of your gripes happened after you bought your phones. Why would you buy a phone that did not meet your needs? And Android IS open source... to the manufacturers. You DO understand that Motorola is a business, right? They're not a non-profit organization serving some altruistic higher calling. They have one obligation- to sell phones, tablets, and accessories at a price that will generate a profit for the stockholders. That's it. They never promised an unlocked bootloader. They have, historically, given free updates to the folk who buy their phones.
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They never put on they commercial that they have a locked bootloader and also i bought my phone when it was on sale so i took the offer and i didn't tought that it will have a locked bootloader (my naive thought, coming from a n1, was oh nice is an android i can do whather i want)
Also is true that a company doesn't have ony obbligation to give some nice support to their customers, but do you really think that people knowing that will ever buy something from them? I'm pretty sure that everyone here that are whining about the bootloader will NEVER suggest a motorola to their friend,parents etc.
They can make us happy without too much hassle, yet they still continue this way and i'm pretty sure that this thing influence the sales( last motorola quarter was not too good even though the razr and the droid 4 are awesome smartphones)
p.s they promised the bootloader unlock: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ockable-in-late-2011-where-carriers-allow-it/
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Android should be open and free to all of us to play with. Bootloader
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i must be doing something wrong on my maxx because i don't even get a day and 1/2.
Seeing how long it takes to develop ics,, which I suspect started even before the product is launched.. I wonder how long it would take for us to get jelly beans..
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Seeing how long it takes to develop ics,, which I suspect started even before the product is launched.. I wonder how long it would take for us to get jelly beans..
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were not going to get jellybean.
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They never put on they commercial that they have a locked bootloader and also i bought my phone when it was on sale so i took the offer and i didn't tought that it will have a locked bootloader (my naive thought, coming from a n1, was oh nice is an android i can do whather i want)
Also is true that a company doesn't have ony obbligation to give some nice support to their customers, but do you really think that people knowing that will ever buy something from them? I'm pretty sure that everyone here that are whining about the bootloader will NEVER suggest a motorola to their friend,parents etc.
They can make us happy without too much hassle, yet they still continue this way and i'm pretty sure that this thing influence the sales( last motorola quarter was not too good even though the razr and the droid 4 are awesome smartphones)
p.s they promised the bootloader unlock: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ockable-in-late-2011-where-carriers-allow-it/
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Oh, where to begin...
Some guy on the internet says Motorola says they'll unlock the bootloader? Sorry... not official word, not corroborated, blah blah blah. About as believable as that guy who was posting bogus ICS pictures here for the last couple weeks.
Maybe you need to check your info... The Razr is the #1 selling smartphone at Verizon... even surpassing the iPhone.
I've had great support on all my Motorola phones (my Razr Maxx is my 4th). On this phone alone, I've had 2 updates, and ICS should be here shortly. On my last phone, it started on Eclair, was updated to Froyo, and then to Gingerbread. And in between and after, it's had other maintenance updates, too. What more do you want... a valet to charge it for you when it gets low?
I'm sorry that you didn't properly research your phone before you bought it. But whose fault is that? It's certainly not Motorola's.
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Oh, where to begin...
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not really.
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not really.
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Again, my last phone was updated from Eclair to Froyo to Gingerbread. You have no basis in claiming the Razr will not get Jellybean. Unless you have some proof... which I doubt.
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I'm really pissed at Moto for locking this bootloader while other manufs go ahead and unlock theirs. Seems we're screwed! I've got a couple days yet before I lose the ability to return this thing and am stuck with a very developer UNfriendly device for the next couple years. What to do? I'm not a huge ROM'er but I definately like to tweak and I don't like to envision everyone getting toys/tweaks/tricks on their HTC's,LG's,Sammys,etc etc while us poor souls on the Moto side get screwed over. I'm on the ledge....pull me off or push me over! Need help deciding...does this thing have a future or in two years will I be BEGGING for a chance to upgrade?
I have a Droid Charge with unlocked bootloader and it still gets no development. I still thoroughly enjoy the phone though. Of the phones on the market, the razr is the one I like best. Moto knows how to make a smooth fast phone with great reception.
If you're a rom junkie, go for the nexus. However if you're patient enough, keep waiting with us till the bootloader gets unlocked and enjoy the full potencial of the Razr.
You should do a side by side comparison of the RAZR next to any other phone... that's what I did before buying my RAZR... I like having a removable SD card and HDMI out... the battery could sway you but I think with the maxx coming out someone will produce an after market cover, after all the battery isn't soldered in like the iphone is... I personally love the quality of Motorola phones... as far as development goes, I wouldn't let the locked bootloader get to you, I had my DroidX for 2 years with a locked bootloader and I still had quite a few roms to flash, doesn't anyone remember 2nd init? I'm sure the RAZR devs will find a way around the stupid bootloader... in the meantime everyone get into operation mosh, and let big red and Motorola know we mean business... I love my RAZR, I personally have a lot of faith in this product, I'm actually looking into learning how to develop for android just because I want to help anyone who takes up the torch to develop for this awesome device
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Nitro is working on Eclipse. Once that gets released, you will be glad you kept the razr.
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Nitro is working on Eclipse. Once that gets released, you will be glad you kept the razr.
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Can I ask what eclipse is? I'm kind of having the same feelings as the OP. I'm looking for a reason to keep my razr, but some of the other devices are calling for me.
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If you're a rom junkie, go for the nexus. However if you're patient enough, keep waiting with us till the bootloader gets unlocked and enjoy the full potencial of the Razr.
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The only thing the locked bootloader prevents different kennels from being used. There are two or three roms out now plus a deodexed or two that you install with the bootstrap.
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I can tell you this. I tried out the Nexus for about a week, and took it back. While I LOVE ICS, the phone itself SUCKS. Esp next to the Razr. Slower, horrible battery life, cheap feel, lackluster camera...I could go on and on. I am pissed off too but it is still the best option out there so far.
Sorry for this extremely newb question. This is my first dabble in the Android world, I've always been an iPhone user since moving from dumb to smart phone.
I've been using the Arctic ROM for last couple of weeks and the latest version makes me never want to go back to the stock Rogers ROM. Now here's the question - given that even without an unlocked bootloader, one can still relatively easily flash a new ROM using CWM, what's this big deal about unlocked bootloader. Also what's special about this ever so elusive custom kernel that has been mentioned?
One of the biggest problems I'm seeing with the locked BL bs is that it appears to be scaring away developers who would rather go the easier route and develop on a unlocked machine. Yea you might get it to work on the Razr but it takes steps A-B-C-D-E and who knows how much more for the devs to get it working as opposed to A and B with a ULBL. Look around...we've got very very little in the way of development or ROMS....
If ROM'ing is really important to you, you really ought to get a GNex. Even if the bootloader does get unlocked (which is up in the air, since Moto's broken that promise in the past), there will be far more development for the GNex.
I got the RAZR for the killer hardware and the smooth user experience. I don't know that I'll ROM this even if they do unlock the bootloader, and I was a ROM junkie on my OG Droid.
ICS is rolling out to the Motorola Xoom tablet this weekend. The RAZR may be only a week or two away from getting ICS with a hardware accelerated GUI. That aside, it's a great phone - terrific reception, loud speakerphone, excellent voice quality. You really want to give up all that?
Oh, and a new thread just broke: The poster says he was contacted by the FCC and they are charging VZW with violations for having a locked bootloader. Hmmm...
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ICS is rolling out to the Motorola Xoom tablet this weekend. The RAZR may be only a week or two away from getting ICS with a hardware accelerated GUI. That aside, it's a great phone - terrific reception, loud speakerphone, excellent voice quality. You really want to give up all that?
Oh, and a new thread just broke: The poster says he was contacted by the FCC and they are charging VZW with violations for having a locked bootloader. Hmmm...
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I pray that you are right. Though I love this phone more than any other phone I've had before (HD2, HD7, Sensation, G2X, Bionic), it's killing me that I can't mess around with it. I paid top dollar for this prostitute. And I want to do whatever I feel like to her, regardless of what her pimp says.
Any word if the ICS update to the Xoom this weekend may have unlocked their bootloader? I know this was the thought and hopes of some for the ICS upgrade coming to the RAZR.
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Any word if the ICS update to the Xoom this weekend may have unlocked their bootloader? I know this was the thought and hopes of some for the ICS upgrade coming to the RAZR.
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Sorry, I have no info on that.
the xoom already had an unlocked bootloader from the last update from what I can tell as on the motodev website, there is a file to relock it if needed
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ICS is rolling out to the Motorola Xoom tablet this weekend. The RAZR may be only a week or two away from getting ICS with a hardware accelerated GUI. That aside, it's a great phone - terrific reception, loud speakerphone, excellent voice quality. You really want to give up all that?
Oh, and a new thread just broke: The poster says he was contacted by the FCC and they are charging VZW with violations for having a locked bootloader. Hmmm...
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That is correct, no BS on my end because I have no reason to make something like that up. I was contacted and it doesnt mean its going to gappen right away.
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I'm really pissed at Moto for locking this bootloader while other manufs go ahead and unlock theirs. Seems we're screwed! I've got a couple days yet before I lose the ability to return this thing and am stuck with a very developer UNfriendly device for the next couple years. What to do? I'm not a huge ROM'er but I definately like to tweak and I don't like to envision everyone getting toys/tweaks/tricks on their HTC's,LG's,Sammys,etc etc while us poor souls on the Moto side get screwed over. I'm on the ledge....pull me off or push me over! Need help deciding...does this thing have a future or in two years will I be BEGGING for a chance to upgrade?
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Best price including shipment to Malaysia?
That's be honest here. The phone is 4 months old. There is already a replacement. The dev's are all but gone. Don't get me wrong I am not taking a jab at any of our extremely talented dev's we have here, but lets face facts. Moto will NEVER unlock their bootloaders. They have no financial incentive to do so. HTC and Sammy listens to their customers. Moto, most of them will be out of a job in 6 months so so pretty much they could care less. Call me pessimistic, but I think this will just be a phone left in the dust. I tried the Nexus and it is crap hardware wise compared to the Razr, that is what is killing me. Sorry for this rant, but I know I can't be the only one feeling this way.
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That's be honest here. The phone is 4 months old. There is already a replacement. The dev's are all but gone. Don't get me wrong I am not taking a jab at any of our extremely talented dev's we have here, but lets face facts. Moto will NEVER unlock their bootloaders. They have no financial incentive to do so. HTC and Sammy listens to their customers. Moto, most of them will be out of a job in 6 months so so pretty much they could care less. Call me pessimistic, but I think this will just be a phone left in the dust. I tried the Nexus and it is crap hardware wise compared to the Razr, that is what is killing me. Sorry for this rant, but I know I can't be the only one feeling this way.
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This is the same thing that happened to the atrix, well there quite a lot of activity there but can't really do much coz of a locked tegra. And motor work realese the source for it and the phone is almost a year old.
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That's be honest here. The phone is 4 months old. There is already a replacement. The dev's are all but gone. Don't get me wrong I am not taking a jab at any of our extremely talented dev's we have here, but lets face facts. Moto will NEVER unlock their bootloaders. They have no financial incentive to do so. HTC and Sammy listens to their customers. Moto, most of them will be out of a job in 6 months so so pretty much they could care less. Call me pessimistic, but I think this will just be a phone left in the dust. I tried the Nexus and it is crap hardware wise compared to the Razr, that is what is killing me. Sorry for this rant, but I know I can't be the only one feeling this way.
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thanks buddy......
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thanks buddy......
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My sentiments exactly. The same devs that had faith in this device are still here, they haven't gone anywhere. They have actually been working harder than ever.
I will admit though, other than a couple of key threads the RAZR forum has started to bore me. It certainly doesn't have the liveliness that say the Nexus forum does.
Moto stated with ICS we would see the bootloader unlocked, lets at least wait till then and see if it happens. If it doesn't, then I guess we will do whatever it is we need to do.
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That's be honest here. The phone is 4 months old. There is already a replacement.
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Beyond the battery the RAZR MAXX hardware appears to be identical... a new marketing push for the MAXX might actually stimulate more interest in the original RAZR. Especially outside the USA where LTE is not an issue draining batteries.
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Beyond the battery the RAZR MAXX hardware appears to be identical... a new marketing push for the MAXX might actually stimulate more interest in the original RAZR. Especially outside the USA where LTE is not an issue draining batteries.
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My feelings exactly.
I hear you OP. I share the same thoughts with you. But I don't think an locked boot loader should cause any stop in dev. Not every one is flashing their phone on a daily basis. Not every one is changing their kernel like changing clothes.
In SDK there is library for Razr and I am writing apps specifically for my Razr. We can do hell lots of stuff here even.
There is hope and a mediocre dev like me. Haha. Lets be more constructive and at least help and promote apps dev on this phone.
If anyone here are writing for Razr and better than me (almost every dev) pls lets connect and let me learn from y'all.
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That's be honest here. The phone is 4 months old. There is already a replacement. The dev's are all but gone. Don't get me wrong I am not taking a jab at any of our extremely talented dev's we have here, but lets face facts. Moto will NEVER unlock their bootloaders. They have no financial incentive to do so. HTC and Sammy listens to their customers. Moto, most of them will be out of a job in 6 months so so pretty much they could care less. Call me pessimistic, but I think this will just be a phone left in the dust. I tried the Nexus and it is crap hardware wise compared to the Razr, that is what is killing me. Sorry for this rant, but I know I can't be the only one feeling this way.
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You don't know what you are talking about.
1 - The replacement is the SAME PHONE. It just has a bigger battery.
2 - You can root the phone, there's init.d available, and there are several basic roms out there. You should have never bought this phone if mod'ing is so important to you.
There's a lot of activity at droidrzr.com, and once ICS hits there will be a lot of good stuff out there. For many reasons, this is the best phone I've had. It would be great to have an unlocked bootloader, but for what I need the phone to do I could care less.
Motorola is working on the ICS port to the RAZR. They've already ported to the Xoom tablet. They will release the RAZR port eventually, having learned much from their earlier work and the problems being experienced with the early releases of ICS on the Galaxy Nexis. I believe it is in their interest to produce a port that enhances their flagship phone.
Meanwhile, the Devs seem stuck because of the locked bootloader on the RAZR. So maybe instead of trying to develop workarounds, their time is better spent working with ICS on the Nexis. Then when the Moto port for the RAZR arrives, the Devs can return their attention to the RAZR, having learned a lot from the Nexis, and perhaps having less work to do overall to create killer ROMs for the RAZR given the new platform. An unlocked bootloader on RAZR ICS would be ICSing on the cake.
Hmm, I wonder if our complaints have registered with Motorola? As of today (after I filed a BBB complaint on Motorola in regards to ICS and unlocked bootloaders), Motorola just tweeted about updates for ICS on Motorola devices.
For the Droid X2, the upgrade status overall has gone from "updated to 2.3.4" to "In Evaluation & Planning. Further details to follow."
Still doesn't mean we get ICS, but it sure is strange that a day after I sent them a tactful but seething email about their lack of updates for the X2, this happens a day later. Probably just coincidence, but maybe not?
Here's the link to the ICS update:
http://www.motorola.com/blog/2012/02/15/update-motorola-ice-cream-sandwich-news/
Here's the list of phones getting ICS by the 3rd quarter of 2012:
DROID BIONIC
DROID RAZR
DROID RAZR MAXX
MOTOROLA RAZR
DROID 4
PHOTON 4G
MOTOROLA ATRIX 4G (AT&T)
ATRIX 2
ELECTRIFY
Droid X2 is not on this list. However, in the following list, you can see where the current status of the X2 has it under evaluation rather than not being evaluated:
https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
if we get ics that means that cm9 could properly be built on top of the kernel and wed finally be able to properly take on our second core (even though cm7, i believe already takes control of it).
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if we get ics that means that cm9 could properly be built on top of the kernel and wed finally be able to properly take on our second core (even though cm7, i believe already takes control of it).
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But, don't hold your breath yet. Right now, with the X2, they are evaluating whether or not it's worth upgrading to ICS. I would NOT be surprised if they come back and say it's not worth it.
But, I guess this is better than not saying anything at all and I understand they have to look over all the other phones and decide whether or not they are worth upgrading to ICS or not based on performance, developer support/knowledge, etc.
I think the only way we will see ICS is if Dragonzkiller gets it ported or another great dev. I do not expect motorola to unlock bootloader or give the x2 ICS. By the time they get around to it the device will be outdated. Another good reason to never buy motorola again!
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There's no way they would have responded your complaint so quickly, but it certainly wont hurt any. I appreciate the determination you've shown, along with that of the thousands of angered customers online. Maybe our voices have finally fallen on understanding ears.
Honestly if they've found it worth their time to update their website and tell us they're considering it, I think we can consider it a strong possibility. It sounds like something a corporation would do to increase the lifespan of a nigh abandoned device.
It's on the list in the same way as it's on the other list as far as I can see.
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There's no way they would have responded your complaint so quickly, but it certainly wont hurt any. I appreciate the determination you've shown, along with that of the thousands of angered customers online. Maybe our voices have finally fallen on understanding ears.
Honestly if they've found it worth their time to update their website and tell us they're considering it, I think we can consider it a strong possibility. It sounds like something a corporation would do to increase the lifespan of a nigh abandoned device.
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Yeah, I knew that, but hey, it's nice to dream once in a while, no? I was hoping maybe my "threat" to go to the BBB in my email yesterday might have had some residual effect? Probably not, but at least, they'd updated the page which has been stale for a long time.
In any case, I still haven't heard back from Moto yet on my latest complaint, but I did warn them I was going to file a complaint with the BBB and I went through with my word and now, the BBB is forwarding my complaint to Motorola.
I would suggest that everyone do the same. It's free and it makes your voices heard, hopefully.
iBolski: Your emails embody my and probably countless others' sentiments. I just thought sending an email myself would just fall on deaf ears. But your BBB idea I think is great. From what I understand, the BBB member (Motorala) MUST respond to all complaints, else their rating gets damaged by "unresolved complaints". Resolving those complaints takes time and money from Motorola, maybe they'll eventually decide that time and money would be better spent satisfying their customers (Unlocked bootloader and ICS). Thanks for your diligence.
One thing I do want to state is, I understand how difficult it is to upgrade existing devices to a completely new OS. I deal with software upgrades at my job as a developer at a major utility company. We have to deal with not only software/OS upgrades, but federal regulatory changes that come up at the last minute and they only give us a few months some times to get those changes implemented or risk being fined during an audit.
So, I completely understand that Motorola has to go into research and planning mode. It's part of the software development life cycle (SDLC) because you can't just go into it and decide to upgrade it.
In our case where I work, we have a ton of VB6 legacy apps that haven't been rewritten in 10+ years, only patched to handle new regulations. Now, we are having to upgrade to Windows 7 because the company held off and stuck with XP, even though many of us were warning them this wasn't a good idea.
Some of the VB6 apps aren't behaving nicely in Windows 7 32-bit and if we wanted to go to 64-bit, VB6 apps won't run at all or run sporadically.
In the case of the Droids, I understand ICS may not run on every platform, so I can see why the X2 might have a longer wait. So, I commend Motorola on updating the information on ICS for the X2 on their web page. It was long overdue. But, even at my company, we are required to give status updates on the progress of upcoming projects and the business units that are curious about them (since it affects them) have a right to know. Not unlike us, the consumers since we purchased their product.
So, it only seems right that we should be getting updates sooner rather than dead silence, like it's been these past few months.
In any case, I'm not giving up. I'm going to keep pushing until they give me an answer. I'll wait and see what my BBB complaint results in, but I do want to urge others to do the same. Remember, be civil with them, but stern and don't back down on anything but a sufficient answer. Anything vague, such as "I can't speak to that" should have a retort stating "then give me the contact information for someone who can".
Remember, you can't make things happen by just sitting idly by and expecting it to happen by itself. That's how I was at first, and then I decided I had had enough and was going to take a stand. It may not pan out to what we want in the end, but at least if you try, you know you made the effort and it might change how other companies treat their customers.
the thing that drives me flipping insane is that the ATRIX is in development for ics right? and I thought the only difference between us and then is another 512mb ram...so that would be very messed up if they get ics but we don't. just sayin.../end rant
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the thing that drives me flipping insane is that the ATRIX is in development for ics right? and I thought the only difference between us and then is another 512mb ram...so that would be very messed up if they get ics but we don't. just sayin.../end rant
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I agree. I noticed that all the phones that are slated to get ICS all have 1gb of main memory as opposed to our 512mb of memory.
google now owns motorola so thats one reason alot of none ics phones have a evaluation coming up which means most likely will get ics and possibly unlocked bootloaders
Well, almost. I believe they're still waiting on Israel and China to sign off.
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I agree. I noticed that all the phones that are slated to get ICS all have 1gb of main memory as opposed to our 512mb of memory.
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I can't wait til the day comes when we can open up our phones and pop in some extra ram boards/chips like u can on a computer/laptop.
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I can't wait til the day comes when we can open up our phones and pop in some extra ram boards/chips like u can on a computer/laptop.
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I think we're a lot closer to the day where we can no longer open up our computers/laptops and pop in new chips/extra RAM. Just look at the RAZR and G.Nexus...no SD expansion for either, can't even replace the battery in the former.
That was one of the great things about Android phones - but apparently Apple showed the industry how to make another $ and consumers lose again.
Atrix 4G is getting ICS in Q3 of 2012. We can only expect ICS on the X2 (if at all) latest by Q3. By that time we will most probably have CM9 for a good 3-5 months and I will totally give up on ICS from Motorola, with their god awful blur crap on it. And by that time Google will release jellybean and we all will be crying for CM10 and that. Or I might be on the verge of moving onto my next phone.
So thank you Motorola for rolling the updates soooo damn late that no one gives a f*&k.
Seriously, Atrix 4G gets ICS in Q3!??? That is nearly a year late!!! No wonder apple fanboys are laughing their asses off when they get their updates the very day they are released and we have to wait for a year! Pathetic!
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Anyone else think it's unbelievable that the Razr is in "evaluation and planning" ????
Moto is such a joke it's not even funny. I can't believe the Razr is their answer to the Gnex.
I'll never buy another Motorola product.
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I think we're a lot closer to the day where we can no longer open up our computers/laptops and pop in new chips/extra RAM. Just look at the RAZR and G.Nexus...no SD expansion for either, can't even replace the battery in the former.
That was one of the great things about Android phones - but apparently Apple showed the industry how to make another $ and consumers lose again.
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Agreed. Look at Macs, with their soldered in HDDs, RAM, batteries. PCs are heading that direction, too. These tech companies love that their thousand dollar products go obsolete in two years.
Well at least their doing something with all these phones, if not ICS how about more GB updates to fix everything thats still broken? Wheres that 2.3.5 magically gone to...
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I think we're a lot closer to the day where we can no longer open up our computers/laptops and pop in new chips/extra RAM. Just look at the RAZR and G.Nexus...no SD expansion for either, can't even replace the battery in the former.
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im not so sure bout that lol
I think the reason for no sdcard tho is cause do ya REALLY NEED more memory when ya got 32gb internal already?(even 16 is a lot ..if u using ALL that then u need to either delete some pics/vids or upload em to a computer or cloud storage.) lol
and I would think that would also make the system. more "efficient" somehow if it doesn't have to go through the process(es) of having to mount external memory and read/write data from/to it...
then again.. I don't know enough about how the system really works to know what the benefit of not having an external sdcard mount really does for performance lol...i am just talking outta my ass...don't.mind me lol
and also, why do u say its getting closer to not being able to open computer and add chips/ram/cards etc...? I just can't see that happening unless companies don't like making money from people who like to upgrade components of their computers to improve it lol.. unless they make it so that those things are useless or unnecessary (make them obsolete somehow)
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Elite49 said:
Well at least their doing something with all these phones, if not ICS how about more GB updates to fix everything thats still broken? Wheres that 2.3.5 magically gone to...
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maybe they'll skip 2.3.5 and give us 2.3.6 like the charge has....lol....durp...
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litetaker said:
Atrix 4G is getting ICS in Q3 of 2012. We can only expect ICS on the X2 (if at all) latest by Q3. By that time we will most probably have CM9 for a good 3-5 months and I will totally give up on ICS from Motorola, with their god awful blur crap on it. And by that time Google will release jellybean and we all will be crying for CM10 and that. Or I might be on the verge of moving onto my next phone.
So thank you Motorola for rolling the updates soooo damn late that no one gives a f*&k.
Seriously, Atrix 4G gets ICS in Q3!??? That is nearly a year late!!! No wonder apple fanboys are laughing their asses off when they get their updates the very day they are released and we have to wait for a year! Pathetic!
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speaking of their blur crap, a little birdie told me that the ics leak on the RAZR actually was pretty decent, that it had a VERY vanilla feel to it, but im wondering if that is just because they didn't finish skinning it yet....dunno....bla bla bla
For your reading(bashing) pleasure... Motorola Blog
M is at it again.. babbling excuse after excuse..
? It's stated that ICS will come out in Q2 so what is your problem?
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? It's stated that ICS will come out in Q2 so what is your problem?
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I can't foresee the unlockable boot loader thing... At least not until this thing became older. Yes, ICS is coming but will we be happy?
For an unlocked bl
U already have Moto RAZR dev edition
Visit my channel on youtube
youtube.com/Therazrguy
Q2 is going to be end. When will update coming out? Only thing i want is ICS with unlock BL as moto promise before. If they never unlock BL, time to say good bye moto for Summy GS3.
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LOL of the first comment!
News at 10: Motorola making up bull**** excuses to avoid updating devices
News at 11: most of the devices Motorola is making excuses not to update to ICS area already running ICS and doing it FASTER then GB, making Motorola's excuses invalid
News at 12: majority of developers happy do to Motorola's work for them, requesting the promised bootloader unlock, yet again
News at ****all: Motorola making more excuses to drop more devices (even those already "planned" to get the update) from the ICS update list, and even more excuses to not release the bootloader unlocks for devices
See a pattern? No, Ill point it out for you, devices sell, carriers request EOL for devices to avoid selling lower priced phones, and Motorola saves and probably gets paid for not using man hours for development...
Precisely why I avoided, and will continue to avoid Motorola products!
Wanted the Photon 4G for myself when it was coming out, wanted a Xoom for myself, was going to get an Admiral for my mother (replace her aging 8330 crackberry)... 3 devices I DID NOT BUY
Keep it up Motorola, your doing a STUPID er STUPENDOUS job...
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I can't foresee the unlockable boot loader thing... At least not until this thing became older. Yes, ICS is coming but will we be happy?
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oh bout the bootloader oh well I really dont think we are going to see some changes from Motorola, maybe maybe if Google decides to push this thing when they finish the takeover of motorola mobility
Is it me or are there no details for the Razr in Europe? (XT910)
Let's sum things up...
"I LOVE MY NEW BIKE!"
(pedal, pedal, pedal)
"Hey! That kid has the same bike as me, but with a new paint job!"
"I HATE MY BIKE! I HATE THE COMPANY THAT MADE IT! I WILL NEVER BUY FROM THAT COMPANY AGAIN!!!!!!!"
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Is it me or are there no details for the Razr in Europe? (XT910)
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Of course there is
MOTOROLA RAZR
Asia Pacific, Canada, China, EMEA, Japan, Korea & LATAM
Development
Rollouts begin in Q2 2012.
EMEA stands for Europe, the Middle East and Africa
I don't see the big deal myself, they could have just released the phone and never released a single update. Be happy that they are at least talking about an update, and claiming that it is in development.
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bpingry said:
I don't see the big deal myself, they could have just released the phone and never released a single update. Be happy that they are at least talking about an update, and claiming that it is in development.
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Except they promised timely software updates for phones 18 months or younger. That hasn't happened.
The RAZR was advertised as ICS upgradeable, it received it 6 months after ICS released, advertising it is upgradeable implies it will get it soon.
It would have gotten ICS anyway, it would be good business.
But since it was advertised the implication is that itvwill get upgraded sooner, and not in six months.
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Simply because you inferred a specific time frame does not constitute an implication by the carrier.
The phone is great, it runs quite well on GB. They gave us a stability update.
If you bought it just for the ICS upgradeable and wanted it NOW then you should have gotten the Nexus.
The word upgradeable does not state a timeframe.
You don't buy a computer hoping it will be upgradeable.
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Simply because you inferred a specific time frame does not constitute an implication by the carrier.
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The Google Update Alliance declared that a phone released within the last 18 months would get timely software updates, both carriers and manufacturers agreed to this deal. Therefore since it was advertised to be ICS upgradeable when the consumers could be assured that they were getting ICS anyway from the alliance that they would get a quick timely OS update. It wasn't.
Logical, no?
Link: http://androidandme.com/2011/05/new...ers-and-carriers-to-speed-up-android-updates/
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The phone is great, it runs quite well on GB. They gave us a stability update.
If you bought it just for the ICS upgradeable and wanted it NOW then you should have gotten the Nexus.
The word upgradeable does not state a timeframe.
You don't buy a computer hoping it will be upgradeable.
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Yeah, these aren't computers in the technical sense, these are smartphones. And in the smartphone market if you buy a popular high end phone released a month before a huge software update the overwhelming majority of users expect the update. Refer to my above response for the rest of your answer.
I don't understand why anyone cares if the bootloader is locked on this phone. Who cares about flashing a new kernel when the battery already lasts longer than a day? Why would you ever want to flash a new radio when this one is the best in the business? The phone can still be rooted and ROMed.
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I don't understand why anyone cares if the bootloader is locked on this phone. Who cares about flashing a new kernel when the battery already lasts longer than a day? Why would you ever want to flash a new radio when this one is the best in the business? The phone can still be rooted and ROMed.
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If you have the OG Razr we don't get over a day. Flashing custom kernels not only gives better battery, but better performance, more communicability and stability.
Flashing custom radios gives you the ability to get even better reception and possibly battery life than we are now. What is there not to want?
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I don't understand why anyone cares if the bootloader is locked on this phone. Who cares about flashing a new kernel when the battery already lasts longer than a day? Why would you ever want to flash a new radio when this one is the best in the business? The phone can still be rooted and ROMed.
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If we had boot loader unlock none of us dingbats that flashed certain leaks would be concerned about ever getting updates again.
I agree w you on some points. Kernel? Blah, who needs it. On ics 84 I get well over 6 hours screen on time on 3g/4g mix. How much better could it get vs stability. But boot loader unlock would at least solve our issue of being stuck on leaked software. Until someone comes out with a patch...but it just shouldn't be so difficult. Free boot loader equals easier and less complicated. Less chance of bricks because people could actually simply fix them.
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I don't understand why anyone cares if the bootloader is locked on this phone. Who cares about flashing a new kernel when the battery already lasts longer than a day? Why would you ever want to flash a new radio when this one is the best in the business? The phone can still be rooted and ROMed.
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OK, I try to give simple explanation on this,
In Android world, there were at least 3 type of users.
User1 : As long as he can make call, send msg, install app..bla2, he' s happy. When the time comes, he upgrades to new phones.
User2 : Like user 1, but sometime they got bored of the original firmware(mostly bloated) & like the option to do some modding. So that the get most out of what they've paid.
User3: Android phone is their toy. While they still using it like user1, they also like to mess it, make modded they want & eventually supply it to user 2.
I'm user3, I was like user1, 2-3 years ago.
This RAZR has a very solid hardware(At the time I bought it). But the potential is limited by the original firmware. The extra potential is not unleash-able because the BL gets in the way. User3 hates this & most of them migrate to other manufacturers.
Is root enough? Not for me.
This RAZR is too easy to brick. You maybe lucky, because somebody has leaked the original firmware for your variant.
What if it has never been leaked like my variant?? If there is no BL, I can just flash your firmware variant.
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If we had boot loader unlock none of us dingbats that flashed certain leaks would be concerned about ever getting updates again.
I agree w you on some points. Kernel? Blah, who needs it. On ics 84 I get well over 6 hours screen on time on 3g/4g mix. How much better could it get vs stability. But boot loader unlock would at least solve our issue of being stuck on leaked software. Until someone comes out with a patch...but it just shouldn't be so difficult. Free boot loader equals easier and less complicated. Less chance of bricks because people could actually simply fix them.
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Makes sense. I did forget about the OG RAZR guys not getting full day battery, but I def think the radio is gonna be tough to improve on. The clarity on this phone and signal strength is amazing.
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I am an atrix user and i looked at all the atrix,photon and electr. forums and i suggezt we should create a topic to fight togeather against the Motofail. Also everibody should chech the other forums on the moto page to let em know they are suck!
Edit 1: somebody has been put up a moto conversation on the forum, and they said they won't update becouse of the hardware..thats ridiculous!
But on the other hand some of us thinks that the google cancelled the update thanks to debian linux.. (aka webtop)
Edit 2: you should check out the general atrix forums for ideas and support. We could win togeather!
Thank you!
(Sorry for bad eng)
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I agree, we have to work together on this. But what can we do?
You'll get a better response if you make a proper thread title...
We could find the review section of every new moto phone on all the different carriers and bombard it terrible awful (two star not one) reviews... Just a myriad of reception battery stability hardware problems that make people stay with samsung or HTC.
"I really liked this phone but... godawful experience 123" "It has such a great battery life but..."
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I agree, we have to work together on this. But what can we do?
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Sh!t on the coats. I'm sorry, I'm just...this needs to settle in. I'm with you guys till the bitter end though.
It though kinda makes sense though, do you think they will skip ICS and get JB - The list was only for ICS Kinda made sense since why upgrade us directly to ICS > JB
This is not the ICS rollout page, this is the Motorola upgrade page, the MOTOROLA XOOM will see a Jellybean Upgrade on that page. "Will remain at GB" does not mean "Will not be getting ICS, May be getting JB" It means "Will remain at GB"
I hate to be a buzz kill but the effort might be rather pointless. We're dead in the water folks, abandoned by Moto and Google.
I'd be shocked if we ever get any support past today
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Go tell the bastard. Flood him.
Not that it will help much but I put up a motonomore.com . I figured myself and anyone else can complain and cry and Motorola and Google can't edit anything. Maybe with a bunch of No More Motorola posts Google will either close their doors on Motorola or make them honor their lies.
Google and Motorola Mobility and the Dialer security vulnerability.
Reading other threads about the dialer vulnerability, I think Google and Motorola Mobility are now obligated to patch the Dialer + Browser security vulnerability. There are thousands if not millions of users vulnerable and if not upgrading us allows this to exist, then they have a class action lawsuit brewing. I honestly think Google should seriously consider their subsidiarys actions before this starts screwing the people with more money and legal advantages.
Motorola Mobility is evil and therefore Google is evil. ****ing crooks.
We should complain on the motos site cause if we do it here nothing will happen
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twaffle said:
https://plus.google.com/+PunitSoni/
Go tell the bastard. Flood him.
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Already done #MotoFail
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Is harassing the new guy at MMI really going to help us? That's pathetic. Sure, I believe everyone at Motorola and Google need to understand that they let us all down, but I personally draw the line at flooding their social media accounts. Just wanted to put that out there. No need to debate it, that's just what I think. While I'm at it, posting false reviews for any phone is also a low blow. Now if you want to post a review that says that Motorola doesn't support their phones and that the phone will never see an upgrade... be my guest. Because that's honest.
I actually blame the Android community for stuff like this. The Sunfire is a great phone, and we all know it can run JB, at least AOSP JB. Maybe not JellyBlur, whenever that comes out, but AOSP JB, not a problem. We know because we've done it, and if Motorola released the source or whatever it is the devs need, and the transition/scrolling stuttering was wiped out, and the camera and camcorder worked... well, it would be awesome. But look, you can run Holo Launcher and Notification Toggle on the stock ROM (or CM7) and it will run fine. I don't think this gets you the best battery life, but it's acceptable. Now compare a Sunfire (either Photon or Electrify, it doesn't matter once you unlock) with the best phone on the market. I guess GS3 or Note 2. Is One X still a contender? What's the difference? Does Angry Birds: Space load a few seconds faster? They both run great and do pretty much whatever you need. But yet we tend to push for the next big thing while disrespecting those who are fine with last year's big thing. So is it really any surprise when Motorola abandons last year's big thing to focus on the next big thing? Not to me it isn't. But we don't want to slow down too much and retard the development like Apple has. We don't want to be 2-3 years behind. What we want, I feel safe saying, is a smartphone ecosystem where competent phones from the last few years can still get updates, as long as they can legitimately handle them.
Personally, I'd be willing to pay for these updates. Why should Motorola bring us ICS, when they could just have us buy their next phone? What if enough of us agreed to split the difference, and pay for the upgrade? Considering people are paying $15-20 for that one launcher, don't you think people would pay $35-40 for a software update? Granted, it would have to be prompt. I wouldn't pay $40 for ICS. Make it JB and I'll buy two (one for me, one for my wife). I'm perfectly willing to pay for software. I'm not asking for something for nothing.
But hey, at least we can get $100 towards a new Motorola phone that will never be upgraded to KLP if we turn in our phone and switch to Big Red, eh?
it really bad news for me, why?
i'm living in ukraine, not in USA where i can buy phones for contract, we have another prices on phones, with very big difference in money, and so, now i must.. sell my phone, and buy something new.. ok, thx moto, good phone, bad company.
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Is harassing the new guy at MMI really going to help us? That's pathetic. Sure, I believe everyone at Motorola and Google need to understand that they let us all down, but I personally draw the line at flooding their social media accounts. Just wanted to put that out there. No need to debate it, that's just what I think. While I'm at it, posting false reviews for any phone is also a low blow. Now if you want to post a review that says that Motorola doesn't support their phones and that the phone will never see an upgrade... be my guest. Because that's honest.
I actually blame the Android community for stuff like this. The Sunfire is a great phone, and we all know it can run JB, at least AOSP JB. Maybe not JellyBlur, whenever that comes out, but AOSP JB, not a problem. We know because we've done it, and if Motorola released the source or whatever it is the devs need, and the transition/scrolling stuttering was wiped out, and the camera and camcorder worked... well, it would be awesome. But look, you can run Holo Launcher and Notification Toggle on the stock ROM (or CM7) and it will run fine. I don't think this gets you the best battery life, but it's acceptable. Now compare a Sunfire (either Photon or Electrify, it doesn't matter once you unlock) with the best phone on the market. I guess GS3 or Note 2. Is One X still a contender? What's the difference? Does Angry Birds: Space load a few seconds faster? They both run great and do pretty much whatever you need. But yet we tend to push for the next big thing while disrespecting those who are fine with last year's big thing. So is it really any surprise when Motorola abandons last year's big thing to focus on the next big thing? Not to me it isn't. But we don't want to slow down too much and retard the development like Apple has. We don't want to be 2-3 years behind. What we want, I feel safe saying, is a smartphone ecosystem where competent phones from the last few years can still get updates, as long as they can legitimately handle them.
Personally, I'd be willing to pay for these updates. Why should Motorola bring us ICS, when they could just have us buy their next phone? What if enough of us agreed to split the difference, and pay for the upgrade? Considering people are paying $15-20 for that one launcher, don't you think people would pay $35-40 for a software update? Granted, it would have to be prompt. I wouldn't pay $40 for ICS. Make it JB and I'll buy two (one for me, one for my wife). I'm perfectly willing to pay for software. I'm not asking for something for nothing.
But hey, at least we can get $100 towards a new Motorola phone that will never be upgraded to KLP if we turn in our phone and switch to Big Red, eh?
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Well Said......
I will agree, at the end of the day I need reliable hardware with good reception out here in the "sticks".
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Reading other threads about the dialer vulnerability, I think Google and Motorola Mobility are now obligated to patch the Dialer + Browser security vulnerability. There are thousands if not millions of users vulnerable and if not upgrading us allows this to exist, then they have a class action lawsuit brewing. I honestly think Google should seriously consider their subsidiarys actions before this starts screwing the people with more money and legal advantages.
Motorola Mobility is evil and therefore Google is evil. ****ing crooks.
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Google still has nothing to do with Motorola at this point. You have no one to blame but Motorola. They've pulled this stuff for many many years now.
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I actually blame the Android community for stuff like this. The Sunfire is a great phone, and we all know it can run JB, at least AOSP JB. Maybe not JellyBlur, whenever that comes out, but AOSP JB, not a problem. We know because we've done it, and if Motorola released the source or whatever it is the devs need, and the transition/scrolling stuttering was wiped out, and the camera and camcorder worked... well, it would be awesome.
They both run great and do pretty much whatever you need. But yet we tend to push for the next big thing while disrespecting those who are fine with last year's big thing. So is it really any surprise when Motorola abandons last year's big thing to focus on the next big thing? Not to me it isn't. But we don't want to slow down too much and retard the development like Apple has. We don't want to be 2-3 years behind. What we want, I feel safe saying, is a smartphone ecosystem where competent phones from the last few years can still get updates, as long as they can legitimately handle them.
Personally, I'd be willing to pay for these updates. Why should Motorola bring us ICS, when they could just have us buy their next phone? What if enough of us agreed to split the difference, and pay for the upgrade? Considering people are paying $15-20 for that one launcher, don't you think people would pay $35-40 for a software update? Granted, it would have to be prompt. I wouldn't pay $40 for ICS. Make it JB and I'll buy two (one for me, one for my wife). I'm perfectly willing to pay for software. I'm not asking for something for nothing.
But hey, at least we can get $100 towards a new Motorola phone that will never be upgraded to KLP if we turn in our phone and switch to Big Red, eh?
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While I agree to some of your points, I have to disagree largely with most.
Why should I have to pay for an update that should be part of the phone?
Its ridiculous.
I don't need gaming or a few extra benchmark points.
But I do want to enjoy the new features of the software. And in this case, the Atrix and Photon are both capable of running ICS and JB effectively.
ICS code was released last November; 11 months ago!!!!
An ICS upgrade should have been released in April; or by June at the very latest.
It was not considered last year's big thing until Moto let so much time pass by.
Delaying it for so long and then saying that the phones are old and EOL, simply breaks customer confidence in the company.
There is just no excuse for doing that.
Here's what disgusts me:
1. What is the deal with the locked bootloaders? Why can HTC and Samsung sell phones that are so easily unlocked but Motorola not only has to lock theirs down tight, but when someone figures out how to get around it they go out of their way to release a minor update that patches the bootloader hole.
2. And then to top it off, they then cut off access to ICS or JB. WTF? If you don't want to provide us with an OEM ICS update, did you also have to lock the f'ing bootloaders down so tight that we can't either? This is what I really struggle to understand - whose phone is it? Is it not mine? I paid for it (and don't feed me the crap about the carrier "subsidizing it", that is a lie they push to force people into two year contracts) so why can't I load whatever software I want on it? Can you imagine buying a Dell or an HP laptop or computer and not having administrator access to your own computer? Or being told by Dell I can't load Windows 8 or Ubuntu Linux, that I have to stay on Vista or some crap? Hell, on my Xoom tablet I have to go through some BS process to get root access and it's a Wifi-only Xoom (so no lies about carrier subsidy - I paid full freight for the tablet). Why would it be locked down?
3. If they want to stick with the two-year contract deal, then they need to support the phone for two years. If a group of people who have jobs and school to attend can come up with custom roms with no access to source code, etc. then paid engineers with access to nVidia, Google, etc. resources can make an update and it doesn't take 9 months to do so. My Xoom had JB like two weeks after Google announced it.
I don't care how anyone wants to spin it, Motorola and Sprint absolutely fu'ed everyone who bought that phone. Mine did not function normally. I would have days where I would suddenly stop getting texts and had to do a battery pull and restart the phone and then would suddenly start getting them. I have no SBF available to me if I want to wipe the device and start fresh. I am running bone stock (I have 2.3.5 so I have no choice)
In Indianapolis, Sprint users have been paying that ripoff "Premium Data" fee for absolutely lousy 3G speeds and three Clearwire towers that I have connected to for a total of ten minutes in two years. I can't stream Pandora or Google Music at the gym or in my car. Unlimited data means nothing to me when I have to sip it through a 120 kbps straw. So Motorola, Sprint, Google and any other users can spin this any way they want but it is a giant, steaming pile of $hit that they just handed us.
Google bought Motorola for its patent portfolio. Otherwise, Motorola operates as a separate entity.
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