Hmm, I wonder if our complaints have registered with Motorola? As of today (after I filed a BBB complaint on Motorola in regards to ICS and unlocked bootloaders), Motorola just tweeted about updates for ICS on Motorola devices.
For the Droid X2, the upgrade status overall has gone from "updated to 2.3.4" to "In Evaluation & Planning. Further details to follow."
Still doesn't mean we get ICS, but it sure is strange that a day after I sent them a tactful but seething email about their lack of updates for the X2, this happens a day later. Probably just coincidence, but maybe not?
Here's the link to the ICS update:
http://www.motorola.com/blog/2012/02/15/update-motorola-ice-cream-sandwich-news/
Here's the list of phones getting ICS by the 3rd quarter of 2012:
DROID BIONIC
DROID RAZR
DROID RAZR MAXX
MOTOROLA RAZR
DROID 4
PHOTON 4G
MOTOROLA ATRIX 4G (AT&T)
ATRIX 2
ELECTRIFY
Droid X2 is not on this list. However, in the following list, you can see where the current status of the X2 has it under evaluation rather than not being evaluated:
https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
if we get ics that means that cm9 could properly be built on top of the kernel and wed finally be able to properly take on our second core (even though cm7, i believe already takes control of it).
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ztotherad said:
if we get ics that means that cm9 could properly be built on top of the kernel and wed finally be able to properly take on our second core (even though cm7, i believe already takes control of it).
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But, don't hold your breath yet. Right now, with the X2, they are evaluating whether or not it's worth upgrading to ICS. I would NOT be surprised if they come back and say it's not worth it.
But, I guess this is better than not saying anything at all and I understand they have to look over all the other phones and decide whether or not they are worth upgrading to ICS or not based on performance, developer support/knowledge, etc.
I think the only way we will see ICS is if Dragonzkiller gets it ported or another great dev. I do not expect motorola to unlock bootloader or give the x2 ICS. By the time they get around to it the device will be outdated. Another good reason to never buy motorola again!
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There's no way they would have responded your complaint so quickly, but it certainly wont hurt any. I appreciate the determination you've shown, along with that of the thousands of angered customers online. Maybe our voices have finally fallen on understanding ears.
Honestly if they've found it worth their time to update their website and tell us they're considering it, I think we can consider it a strong possibility. It sounds like something a corporation would do to increase the lifespan of a nigh abandoned device.
It's on the list in the same way as it's on the other list as far as I can see.
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There's no way they would have responded your complaint so quickly, but it certainly wont hurt any. I appreciate the determination you've shown, along with that of the thousands of angered customers online. Maybe our voices have finally fallen on understanding ears.
Honestly if they've found it worth their time to update their website and tell us they're considering it, I think we can consider it a strong possibility. It sounds like something a corporation would do to increase the lifespan of a nigh abandoned device.
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Yeah, I knew that, but hey, it's nice to dream once in a while, no? I was hoping maybe my "threat" to go to the BBB in my email yesterday might have had some residual effect? Probably not, but at least, they'd updated the page which has been stale for a long time.
In any case, I still haven't heard back from Moto yet on my latest complaint, but I did warn them I was going to file a complaint with the BBB and I went through with my word and now, the BBB is forwarding my complaint to Motorola.
I would suggest that everyone do the same. It's free and it makes your voices heard, hopefully.
iBolski: Your emails embody my and probably countless others' sentiments. I just thought sending an email myself would just fall on deaf ears. But your BBB idea I think is great. From what I understand, the BBB member (Motorala) MUST respond to all complaints, else their rating gets damaged by "unresolved complaints". Resolving those complaints takes time and money from Motorola, maybe they'll eventually decide that time and money would be better spent satisfying their customers (Unlocked bootloader and ICS). Thanks for your diligence.
One thing I do want to state is, I understand how difficult it is to upgrade existing devices to a completely new OS. I deal with software upgrades at my job as a developer at a major utility company. We have to deal with not only software/OS upgrades, but federal regulatory changes that come up at the last minute and they only give us a few months some times to get those changes implemented or risk being fined during an audit.
So, I completely understand that Motorola has to go into research and planning mode. It's part of the software development life cycle (SDLC) because you can't just go into it and decide to upgrade it.
In our case where I work, we have a ton of VB6 legacy apps that haven't been rewritten in 10+ years, only patched to handle new regulations. Now, we are having to upgrade to Windows 7 because the company held off and stuck with XP, even though many of us were warning them this wasn't a good idea.
Some of the VB6 apps aren't behaving nicely in Windows 7 32-bit and if we wanted to go to 64-bit, VB6 apps won't run at all or run sporadically.
In the case of the Droids, I understand ICS may not run on every platform, so I can see why the X2 might have a longer wait. So, I commend Motorola on updating the information on ICS for the X2 on their web page. It was long overdue. But, even at my company, we are required to give status updates on the progress of upcoming projects and the business units that are curious about them (since it affects them) have a right to know. Not unlike us, the consumers since we purchased their product.
So, it only seems right that we should be getting updates sooner rather than dead silence, like it's been these past few months.
In any case, I'm not giving up. I'm going to keep pushing until they give me an answer. I'll wait and see what my BBB complaint results in, but I do want to urge others to do the same. Remember, be civil with them, but stern and don't back down on anything but a sufficient answer. Anything vague, such as "I can't speak to that" should have a retort stating "then give me the contact information for someone who can".
Remember, you can't make things happen by just sitting idly by and expecting it to happen by itself. That's how I was at first, and then I decided I had had enough and was going to take a stand. It may not pan out to what we want in the end, but at least if you try, you know you made the effort and it might change how other companies treat their customers.
the thing that drives me flipping insane is that the ATRIX is in development for ics right? and I thought the only difference between us and then is another 512mb ram...so that would be very messed up if they get ics but we don't. just sayin.../end rant
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the thing that drives me flipping insane is that the ATRIX is in development for ics right? and I thought the only difference between us and then is another 512mb ram...so that would be very messed up if they get ics but we don't. just sayin.../end rant
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I agree. I noticed that all the phones that are slated to get ICS all have 1gb of main memory as opposed to our 512mb of memory.
google now owns motorola so thats one reason alot of none ics phones have a evaluation coming up which means most likely will get ics and possibly unlocked bootloaders
Well, almost. I believe they're still waiting on Israel and China to sign off.
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I agree. I noticed that all the phones that are slated to get ICS all have 1gb of main memory as opposed to our 512mb of memory.
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I can't wait til the day comes when we can open up our phones and pop in some extra ram boards/chips like u can on a computer/laptop.
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I can't wait til the day comes when we can open up our phones and pop in some extra ram boards/chips like u can on a computer/laptop.
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I think we're a lot closer to the day where we can no longer open up our computers/laptops and pop in new chips/extra RAM. Just look at the RAZR and G.Nexus...no SD expansion for either, can't even replace the battery in the former.
That was one of the great things about Android phones - but apparently Apple showed the industry how to make another $ and consumers lose again.
Atrix 4G is getting ICS in Q3 of 2012. We can only expect ICS on the X2 (if at all) latest by Q3. By that time we will most probably have CM9 for a good 3-5 months and I will totally give up on ICS from Motorola, with their god awful blur crap on it. And by that time Google will release jellybean and we all will be crying for CM10 and that. Or I might be on the verge of moving onto my next phone.
So thank you Motorola for rolling the updates soooo damn late that no one gives a f*&k.
Seriously, Atrix 4G gets ICS in Q3!??? That is nearly a year late!!! No wonder apple fanboys are laughing their asses off when they get their updates the very day they are released and we have to wait for a year! Pathetic!
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Anyone else think it's unbelievable that the Razr is in "evaluation and planning" ????
Moto is such a joke it's not even funny. I can't believe the Razr is their answer to the Gnex.
I'll never buy another Motorola product.
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I think we're a lot closer to the day where we can no longer open up our computers/laptops and pop in new chips/extra RAM. Just look at the RAZR and G.Nexus...no SD expansion for either, can't even replace the battery in the former.
That was one of the great things about Android phones - but apparently Apple showed the industry how to make another $ and consumers lose again.
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Agreed. Look at Macs, with their soldered in HDDs, RAM, batteries. PCs are heading that direction, too. These tech companies love that their thousand dollar products go obsolete in two years.
Well at least their doing something with all these phones, if not ICS how about more GB updates to fix everything thats still broken? Wheres that 2.3.5 magically gone to...
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I think we're a lot closer to the day where we can no longer open up our computers/laptops and pop in new chips/extra RAM. Just look at the RAZR and G.Nexus...no SD expansion for either, can't even replace the battery in the former.
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im not so sure bout that lol
I think the reason for no sdcard tho is cause do ya REALLY NEED more memory when ya got 32gb internal already?(even 16 is a lot ..if u using ALL that then u need to either delete some pics/vids or upload em to a computer or cloud storage.) lol
and I would think that would also make the system. more "efficient" somehow if it doesn't have to go through the process(es) of having to mount external memory and read/write data from/to it...
then again.. I don't know enough about how the system really works to know what the benefit of not having an external sdcard mount really does for performance lol...i am just talking outta my ass...don't.mind me lol
and also, why do u say its getting closer to not being able to open computer and add chips/ram/cards etc...? I just can't see that happening unless companies don't like making money from people who like to upgrade components of their computers to improve it lol.. unless they make it so that those things are useless or unnecessary (make them obsolete somehow)
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Well at least their doing something with all these phones, if not ICS how about more GB updates to fix everything thats still broken? Wheres that 2.3.5 magically gone to...
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maybe they'll skip 2.3.5 and give us 2.3.6 like the charge has....lol....durp...
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litetaker said:
Atrix 4G is getting ICS in Q3 of 2012. We can only expect ICS on the X2 (if at all) latest by Q3. By that time we will most probably have CM9 for a good 3-5 months and I will totally give up on ICS from Motorola, with their god awful blur crap on it. And by that time Google will release jellybean and we all will be crying for CM10 and that. Or I might be on the verge of moving onto my next phone.
So thank you Motorola for rolling the updates soooo damn late that no one gives a f*&k.
Seriously, Atrix 4G gets ICS in Q3!??? That is nearly a year late!!! No wonder apple fanboys are laughing their asses off when they get their updates the very day they are released and we have to wait for a year! Pathetic!
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speaking of their blur crap, a little birdie told me that the ics leak on the RAZR actually was pretty decent, that it had a VERY vanilla feel to it, but im wondering if that is just because they didn't finish skinning it yet....dunno....bla bla bla
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I believe that the 6 week deadline from the official release of ICS source code is nearing up. So, if Motorola is true to its word, we should hear soon about its plans about ICS. And I sure hope those plans include the X2... What is your take on this (I know this question was asked a million times before, but the charm of asking it for the million and oneth time is just something different! )
Come on Moto! Don't disappoint me!
I believe the source is out already. Also IMO we wont ever see official ICS
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I believe the source is out already. Also IMO we wont ever see official ICS
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I meant the 6 week deadline that Motorola said they need from the time the source is out to let us know what phones are getting upgraded.
And it will be really unfair for Motorola to not release ICS on this phone that is not even an year old when Samsung and LG are promising that they will upgrade at least all the phones released in 2011 and even more.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1414221
This post was saying someone recently looked it up. So far it's all the newest ones (ie. Bionic, Raze) and they'll "update" us later on the others they may add.
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I meant the 6 week deadline that Motorola said they need from the time the source is out to let us know what phones are getting upgraded.
And it will be really unfair for Motorola to not release ICS on this phone that is not even an year old when Samsung and LG are promising that they will upgrade at least all the phones released in 2011 and even more.
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When I was at Verizon on Monday the rep said our phone was a model on its way out. I personally think with moto rolling new phones and tablets out like crazy the X2 will be left behind.
Not to "Rock the Boat" but here is my views....
uhh hmm....
...We have a Droid x2 which was released May 26th 2011(if memory serves well). The device has been released for 7 months; halfway to a YEAR OLD! Now, with that said, I personally think that we WILL receive android 4.0. Due to the recent release of the Milestone x2, why would motorola release the device instead of pushing a different Milestone device? It currently OFFICIALLY supports 2.3.6 firmware and it was only released less than a month ago. So I think our chances are good to get it. Maybe not as soon as other devices, but EVENTUALLY we should get the release.
Call it false hopes or whatever may be, fact is MOTOROLA is a business. Why release a mirrored device(Milestone x2) if only to give 2 more updates? Along with the fact of hurting their image as a company with a dead device?
Next to this, I personally don't care!!! lol I personally think the x2 is a great device once you ROM it to whichever you want or at least debloat the stock. You don't even "need" the Init scripts if you are a casual user to keep the phone up to speed as of the 2.3.5 update for the Dx2. Once we got the 2.3.5 leak, I ran stock on my main phone for like a month as I progressed my ROM to that firmware. We as the x2 community are getting more development done now than we have in the past; regardless of what others think. Yes, the development seems slow, but how many devs do you see working on this device?
This isn't an argument about mods or ROMs, but we have some nice devs working on this phone. Next to that, "who needs ICS?" I imagine it will be faster, smoother, cooler than GB. But after 2 months have passed, users will start to complain that JellyBean(<<<<Thats the 5.0 or w/e firmware) isn't coming quick enough.
In the end, we are "stuck" with this phone regardless of leaks, mods, or updates. Enjoy what you have and hopefully someone will come along and give us what we want.
-Peperm1nt
I could care less if we ever get ics. Some people always want the next big thing which always has issues when first releases.
As for the milestone x2 sprint just dropped the lg optimus s and straight talk picked it up as the lg optimus precedent. Same phone. Smaller carriers always get devices or a version of the later after they are on the way out the big boys lineup. Milestone x2 are probably what Verizon didn't want from moto when the decided to drop the line. Its not really up to moto what updates we get its more up to Verizon to give it the ok. If the store I went to is correct and Verizon is dropping the device Verizon wont push anymore updates our way. Just saying
(This is just my opinion)
Im perfectly happy with the x2 and I am thankful for the devs we have. I donate when I can afford it and hope even though some of them have other devices will continue to help the x2 with smoother and smoother gb roms.
Thanks!
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I'm not good, but learning. The other devs are doing good with the device and I honestly think we have nothing to complain about. If you want ics, go elsewhere or port it over. When we get 2nd init FULLY working, I plan on trying to do it myself.
But honestly, we don't need it....just saying.
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+1 to motcher
I'm not good, but learning. The other devs are doing good with the device and I honestly think we have nothing to complain about. If you want ics, go elsewhere or port it over. When we get 2nd init FULLY working, I plan on trying to do it myself.
But honestly, we don't need it....just saying.
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Im no dev either but past experience on other devices. With a new kernel from moto to have it ramped up or an unlocked bootloader I think ics would not be quick. It would be laggy and severely lower performance. If you wanna port it I think best you'll get to run good as a lite version of ics. Droid eris has gb but its not complete. Devs had to remove parts to make it runnable since the device specs were just not made for it. Kinda like our 512mb of ram....bonehead move by moto.
Hell I have windows 7 on my netbook which was designed for xp....same deal as ics on a phone made to run gb really well. It might run but its not gonna be awesome just like 7 on my netbook. In my opinion.
I just hope mastafunk and the crew have success in get cm running. That's our future on this phone.
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Motorola wont officially update DX2 to ICS, there will probably be a leaked version (which will be awesome for the devs), but they wont update it to ICS due to "inadequate hardware." That statement isn't necessarily false either. While AOSP ICS wont. Have any problem running on only 512mb of RAM, what wont run on 512mb of RAM is AOSP ICS and MOTOBLOAT
So the d3 wont receive ICS? I think its more than enough to run ICS at AOSP, and with BLUR, I'm sure it would suffice. Our phone runs really smooth with a stock 2.3.5 build. RAM has "no effect" on a linux kernel. The way it is designed you SHOULD only have 20mb or so of RAM available to get the "speed" of quickload of different apps. Apps always run in the background once they are loaded and when the foreground app calls for resources it "locks" apps out of RAM and freezes an image to memory for a load when the foreground app closes or enough space opens in the RAM and then resumes the process. The "lag" comes from too many apps calling for resources at a time, that is why you have redraws and that is also why Moto put the task manager app to kill processes after 2 minutes of idle.
When ever Motorola starts pushing the ICS update for the xoom is most likely when we would get the notice of our phone getting it or not only because the fact that the xoom is using the same hardware that the x2 is using but just a different kernel and ram, I am hoping for the update tho so we can finally us our dual core processor properly since gingerbread limits this
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They really need to unlock the boot loader. Considering HTC is unlocking the bootloaders on various phones under Verizon means that Motorola shouldn't be using the excuse "well, Verizon won't allow it". If they do, that's crap. Then why is HTC allowed to do it?
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...gn=Feed:+xda-developers/ShsH+(xda-developers)
I think if this happens, ICS will definitely be ported over easily.
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They really need to unlock the boot loader. Considering HTC is unlocking the bootloaders on various phones under Verizon means that Motorola shouldn't be using the excuse "well, Verizon won't allow it". If they do, that's crap. Then why is HTC allowed to do it?
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...gn=Feed:+xda-developers/ShsH+(xda-developers)
I think if this happens, ICS will definitely be ported over easily.
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It's not Moto that won't unlock it, it's Verizon not allowing them to. Moto is their baby, they want full control over it.
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cheesebeard said:
It's not Moto that won't unlock it, it's Verizon not allowing them to. Moto is their baby, they want full control over it.
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Ibolski has a point I think the other manufacturers just told Verizon to go f*** themselves and unlocked them. After all isn't on the verge of being illegal to lock us out. After all there is nothing illegal about doing anything we want to our phones. They are in essence not allowing us full ownership of our paid for devices
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Too many false returns can be the Blame for that. Moto has to take responsibility for a broken device if Verizon were to allow that to happen.
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Too many false returns can be the Blame for that. Moto has to take responsibility for a broken device if Verizon were to allow that to happen.
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Im just saying the other companies don't seem to have an issue with it. Besides its near impossible even if you don't know what your doing to completely wreck a phone by flashing especially a moto. If your on a forum flashing roms then there is more then likely a sticky showing how to fix your phone easily with an sbf. If there is a lot of broken device returns blame moto for that....I know a lot of moto phones I have got in the past were released with blatant obvious bugs. I know other companies do this two. So its not just moto. Im sure more phones are returned for those reason then because the bootloader was unlocked
Look at it this way...is moto going to.get more or less returns cuz of a locked boot....id say more cuz people are gonna try to change it and with a locked boot its more difficult to do so.
Oh and every manufacturer not just moto has to take responsibility for the broken devices....so the others don't see an issue just a moto excuse
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never thought of it that way.
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Im just saying the other companies don't seem to have an issue with it. Besides its near impossible even if you don't know what your doing to completely wreck a phone by flashing especially a moto. If your on a forum flashing roms then there is more then likely a sticky showing how to fix your phone easily with an sbf. If there is a lot of broken device returns blame moto for that....I know a lot of moto phones I have got in the past were released with blatant obvious bugs. I know other companies do this two. So its not just moto. Im sure more phones are returned for those reason then because the bootloader was unlocked
Look at it this way...is moto going to.get more or less returns cuz of a locked boot....id say more cuz people are gonna try to change it and with a locked boot its more difficult to do so.
Oh and every manufacturer not just moto has to take responsibility for the broken devices....so the others don't see an issue just a moto excuse
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I recently signed a petition on Change.org about Verizon's 2$ charge. And Verizon backed off (oh no! Correlation != Causation!) . Hmm... so what about a similar petition addressing Verizon/Moto.. I know it is laughable, but majority of Verizon customers must be Moto customers as most high end Verizon devices are Moto's. Sooo... what say? Can't hurt.
Maybe this sheds more hope on the X2 getting ICS? The main difference between the phones are the X2 has a dual-core processor while the Incredible 2 has a single-core, but the Incredible 2 has 768MB of RAM while the X2 has 512MB. They both came out at around the same time period as well. Wouldn't the dual-core/single-core processor make a bigger difference on performance with ICS versus the 256MB extra of RAM?
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/1...nd-rhyme-will-all-receive-ice-cream-sandwich/
If the Incredible 2 gets it and the X2 doesn't I'm going to be slightly frustrated on the matter.
Hmm, unlocked bootloaders on older phones as well as ICS?
HTC is where I'm headed next when it's time to upgrade this summer...
Well, unless memory management is a real mess on Android, I don't see why 512MBs of ram isn't enough. I ran WinXP for something like 2 years with 512 for 2 years and it ran smooth and fast. Then I added another 512 and to be honest, I couldn't tell the difference. The two OS's don't even compare when it comes to size and what needs to be loaded into ram.
Granted, the processor on the computer was twice as fast as the one on the X2, but I know people who ran XP just fine on the same amount of ram and a 1GHz single core processor. A bit slower than mine, but it ran fine. Perhaps I'm missing something. Don't know but it doesn't make sense to me.
its simple
Motorola has released so many freaking phones lately that they do not have the time/manpower to keep up with updating them so they are gonna pick their biggest sellers and update them.
the x2 was simply a flop seller for them.
between the D3 coming out close to it, and the buzz around the bionic at the time, along with all the returned devices because the damn phone can't even play music smoothly consistently, it just seems like they aren't to worried about the relatively "small" percentage of customers they will piss off either by taking WAY to long to update us, or just altogether snuffing us on the update...
rant rant rant bla bla bla and all that nonsensical banter
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its simple
Motorola has released so many freaking phones lately that they do not have the time/manpower to keep up with updating them so they are gonna pick their biggest sellers and update them.
the x2 was simply a flop seller for them.
between the D3 coming out close to it, and the buzz around the bionic at the time, along with all the returned devices because the damn phone can't even play music smoothly consistently, it just seems like they aren't to worried about the relatively "small" percentage of customers they will piss off either by taking WAY to long to update us, or just altogether snuffing us on the update...
rant rant rant bla bla bla and all that nonsensical banter
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You, sir, get a gold star and go to the head of the class. In other word, right on the money.
hell even the HTC thunderbolt is getting ICS
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hell even the HTC thunderbolt is getting ICS
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Hence, that's why I'm going HTC for my next phone. They at least seem to give a crap about their customers whereas Motorola wants to saturate the market with as many new phones as possible, going completely against their promise not to do so.
Oh well, this is the same company that promised to unlock their bootloaders by the 4th quarter of 2011 and we all now how smooth and wonderful that went.
I know someone posted that he despised HTC because they didn't seem to last long , going bad in a few months due to hardware failures. Has anyone else noticed that before or even now? Just curious.
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Hence, that's why I'm going HTC for my next phone. They at least seem to give a crap about their customers whereas Motorola wants to saturate the market with as many new phones as possible, going completely against their promise not to do so.
Oh well, this is the same company that promised to unlock their bootloaders by the 4th quarter of 2011 and we all now how smooth and wonderful that went.
I know someone posted that he despised HTC because they didn't seem to last long , going bad in a few months due to hardware failures. Has anyone else noticed that before or even now? Just curious.
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The HTC phone owners I know absolutely rave about their phones. I haven't heard about any hardware failures from them, and we talk about our phones frequently. So far, I've heard the best reviews on the Rezound. Which HTC are you considering?
ashclepdia said:
its simple
Motorola has released so many freaking phones lately that they do not have the time/manpower to keep up with updating them so they are gonna pick their biggest sellers and update them.
the x2 was simply a flop seller for them.
between the D3 coming out close to it, and the buzz around the bionic at the time, along with all the returned devices because the damn phone can't even play music smoothly consistently, it just seems like they aren't to worried about the relatively "small" percentage of customers they will piss off either by taking WAY to long to update us, or just altogether snuffing us on the update...
rant rant rant bla bla bla and all that nonsensical banter
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+1 , indeed.
Think that the massive amounts of phones being created and released will decrease now that Google has acquired Motorola? That maybe, just maybe, they'll focus on quality over quantity?
iBolski said:
Hence, that's why I'm going HTC for my next phone. They at least seem to give a crap about their customers whereas Motorola wants to saturate the market with as many new phones as possible, going completely against their promise not to do so.
Oh well, this is the same company that promised to unlock their bootloaders by the 4th quarter of 2011 and we all now how smooth and wonderful that went.
I know someone posted that he despised HTC because they didn't seem to last long , going bad in a few months due to hardware failures. Has anyone else noticed that before or even now? Just curious.
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I had a tmobile htc g1 for like 3 years. That thing was indestructible, and i even had gingerbread on it when it finally died. It fell into water no less, not even a hardware failure. Since then iv had an Incredible, which was a tough cookie as well, and a thunderbolt after that. Any talk of failures bar the software bugs the Tbolt had in its release IMO are pretty few and far between. i know i had great luck with them, and had i not loved my droidx so much in the time i had it, i probably wouldnt have a dx2. i do miss my unlocked bootloaders, and 1.8ghz OC on my tbolt too bad the battery life was atrocious. Id say go for an htc next
I also have to think that HTC has hit upon something with their recent commentary about shifting from producing a lot of models of smartphone to producing a few very GOOD models of smartphone. I'm all for this, I don't see any reason why there should be 10 varieties of phone from a single vendor on a couple of carriers, you're just creating problems like what we're seeing from Motorola here.
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Hence, that's why I'm going HTC for my next phone. They at least seem to give a crap about their customers whereas Motorola wants to saturate the market with as many new phones as possible, going completely against their promise not to do so.
Oh well, this is the same company that promised to unlock their bootloaders by the 4th quarter of 2011 and we all now how smooth and wonderful that went.
I know someone posted that he despised HTC because they didn't seem to last long , going bad in a few months due to hardware failures. Has anyone else noticed that before or even now? Just curious.
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In my past experience with HTC phones they didn't last long at all. I had a few crap out on me with hardware failure. But, that was a few years ago they may have better hardware now. Or I would really hope so anyways.
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Every phone I've ever bought turned out to be crap and loose support within months. Next Time its either HTC or Samsung. I vowed not to get Motorola before I bought the X2 but bought it anyway. I love the phone but once again feel shafted.
Our company went with the origional incredible (10-15 phones) and didn't have many hardware issues that I'm aware of. Coverage was typical far as I could tell.
Me, I took a X back then and loved it till they killed it with GB. They offered me a few choices as a free replacement and I took the X2 thinking I had the docks etc for it.
At this point I'm not hesitating to jump ship from Moto, like alot have already said, to many phones pushed onto the market spreading the support for them way way to thin.
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i wasn't impressed with my samsung. my fascinate seemed like it was forgotten the moment it was released. nice screen, though. my inc2 is three times the phone that was, and is currently running ICS with very few bugs, save for buggy camera. the biggest issue and gripe about htc is the audio. on the inc2, at least, the audio levels are low on custom roms unless tweaked in the kernel, due to the weird way they did the audio on this phone. i do like the phone, but for pure modding, i don't think you can beat a nexus. that may be my next device. i'd LOVE to see an HTC nexus.
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i'd LOVE to see an HTC nexus.
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Yep, the N1 (and its twin, the original Desire) is one of the best Android phones of all time.
I don't understand why you guys are complaining that X2 isn't getting ICS. I mean this phone came out in April or May11... There has only been 1 phone to even release with ICS since then and the next is still about a month out. By the time a ICS update would even hit for this phone, you would probably be a couple months from a upgrade anyway and a waaay better phone.
btw I had a HTC Incredible. Amazing phone and I abused the heck out of it on a physical and software level. Id go back to HTC in a heartbeat when their tegra 3 phone comes out.
I'mma be honest. I personally don't care if this phone gets ICS or not. I've toyed around with a nexus before and I still don't see what the big fuss over ICS is about. Sure ICS would be cool, but I wouldnt cry if I didn't get it lol.
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I'mma be honest. I personally don't care if this phone gets ICS or not. I've toyed around with a nexus before and I still don't see what the big fuss over ICS is about. Sure ICS would be cool, but I wouldnt cry if I didn't get it lol.
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but the fact remains
Motorola publicly stated/promised to give updates and support devices for 18 MONTHS AFTER RELEASE. our x2 is perfectly capable of handling ics, we SHOULD get it. if we don't I for one will chalk it up to Motorola being lazy, not trying hard enough,.and being greedy (many people WANT ics and by not updating x2 many people will go buy a new device)
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All this talk about HTC and Sami phones being better and all. But put aside cool features and even usability cuz of an unlocked bootloader. Do they sound as good as a phone?
I thought the D3 was a better sounding but had to choose ours cuz of the Bluetooth tone that is forced on D3 users. Yet I never heard a phone sound as good as the original Droid.
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I'mma be honest. I personally don't care if this phone gets ICS or not. I've toyed around with a nexus before and I still don't see what the big fuss over ICS is about. Sure ICS would be cool, but I wouldnt cry if I didn't get it lol.
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Because of hardware acceleration. It offloads graphical processing from the CPU and places it where it belongs: on the GPU.
Better multitasking via a kernel rewrite to make the system smoother.
Those are the two biggies for me.
And, unless the X2 gets an ICS kernel, you won't see those two things.
See this article:
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/03/0...-of-phones-to-get-ice-cream-sandwich-updates/
Looks like everybody in the DX2 community will have to wait for an AOSP ICS from somebody!
Discuss!
EDIT: Apparently it's not official according to some XDA user's opinions, but I'm pretty sure it is official. In that list they didn't only mention 4G LTE devices, they also listed the Incredible 2 and the Rhyme which are both 3G devices. And also, the DROID Charge is 4G and it's left off the list. It's an assumption but I believe the list to be complete. Motorola and Verizon have no obligation to upgrade to ICS, even if the DX2 is within the 18 month upgrade period. Their 18 month upgrade period never stated how far upgrades would go and it has been upgraded multiple times already. I honestly don't mind if everybody gets their hopes up for Motorola/Verizon to release ICS for the DX2 because it's only going to let you down. If I'm wrong, fine. That's good for everybody with a DX2! I don't know why people have to come to this thread and act like hard-asses to get their point across. I was only releasing some news.
well the Verizon press release states that it is a list of 4G devices that will be upgraded.
then again the dinc2 isn't 4G, right?
I think that's the phone I should have gotten instead of this X2
Well, ever since I got my tablet and the ICS update on it, I haven't been doing much on my DX2 anyway. Shoot, I might just go back to a cheap flip phone.
Really liked the DX2, but I just don't understand why Motorola kicked it to the curb!
Yeah dude, that's just the 4g phones that are getting upgraded. Haven't said which 3g phones are getting it yet.
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Frankly I'm not surprised. I have a feeling there isn't enough RAM available in the X2 for an ICS install. My phone is always starved for RAM.
Don't want to bring any hope into this, but I'll be using something called a brain here for this. These are devices confirmed as of now to get it and on the Moto Upgrade site still lists the devices that are being evaluated to get it.
This is really just VZW rehashing what phone manufacturers have already announced, except they are directing this specifically at their customers. Nothing here we didn't already know, really. Of course they are going to try to get it going on the 4G devices first, that is this year's breadwinner.
I'm kinda over ICS now. lol
Yeah seems like it was all a pipe dream. Development is pretty quiet now but it's ok I'm content with CM7
CM7 DX2
**** it....
I think its the Verizon way of saying they aren't bothering upgrading any 3G devices. They just spent Billions building a 4G network that is sitting there doing next to nothing (except crashing every now and then). They need to get folks migrated to 4G ASAP.
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I think its the Verizon way of saying they aren't bothering upgrading any 3G devices. They just spent Billions building a 4G network that is sitting there doing next to nothing (except crashing every now and then). They need to get folks migrated to 4G ASAP.
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Well they are updating the DINC2.
list of Verizon Wireless 4G LTE devices currently scheduled to be upgraded.
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this just 4g, they aren't going say anything about other phones till, the 4g phones are upgraded
I have a feeling there isn't enough RAM available in the X2 for an ICS install.
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there's enough ram, not a lot
if a phone can run gingerbread it can run ICS, it's just a matter time and money, to make it work
jumping the gun syndrome
This is a classic case of the "jumping the gun syndrome".
1. The article says:
"We will continue to update this list as additional details become available throughout the year. Also, follow @VZWNews on Twitter for additional upgrade announcements."
2. The only Moto devices on the list are those that Moto confirmed a while back. I highly doubt Motorola is doing "planning and evaluation" on a bazillion devices just to ditch each and everyone of them.
Calm down gentlemen and ladies. Let's not get our panties in a bunch! Finally got a chance to say that...
Bad News!!!!
donlad said:
See this article:
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/03/0...-of-phones-to-get-ice-cream-sandwich-updates/
Looks like everybody in the DX2 community will have to wait for an AOSP ICS from somebody!
Discuss!
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Sweet, when the other Moto phones receive it we will have upgrade eligibility anyhow.....your point?
This isn't my DX2
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Frankly I'm not surprised. I have a feeling there isn't enough RAM available in the X2 for an ICS install. My phone is always starved for RAM.
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I'm sure there's plenty, blur is just a pile of junk.
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**** it....
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Kind of lost all hope of an OTA update awhile ago.
My faith is in our developers now, not Motorola or Verizon.
heh I also wonder what inc2 would have been like =)
when comparing them in the store i liked the DX2's camera better (and larger screen), should've took the warning it tried to give me when the first phone the employee gave me froze and didn't come back on lol
wow I just read the article fully and noticed bionic gets it, well that's just salting the wound... good thing non-commercial developers make better ****ing firmware than the official ones do anyway =(
....that some people don't like this phone.
Well i started to hate motorola after buying this phone (even though i consider it a great phone) so i don't think that is strange that other people who previusly had a motorola know ar not buying it anymore
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Well i started to hate motorola after buying this phone (even though i consider it a great phone) so i don't think that is strange that other people who previusly had a motorola know ar not buying it anymore
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Why did you hate Motorola after buying this phone?
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Why did you hate Motorola after buying this phone?
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For not caring a shi*t of they costumers and for locking the bootlaoder on an open source os like android
Android should be open and free to all of us to play with. Bootloader
Battery life => 2 Days RazrMaxx
I want to complain about having a fully functional phone that exceeds my expectations every day. I would also like to complain about not having a completely free update to my phone the exact second someone on the internet told me it would be avaliable. You know what? Stop fixing bugs Motorola. I want my software now otherwise a couple weeks down the road, I'll have nothing to complain about. And as a consumer, I always need something to complain about! Nothing is good enough for me! Rabble rabble rabble!
There you go, I just summarized this forum over the past couple weeks.
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I want to complain about having a fully functional phone that exceeds my expectations every day. I would also like to complain about not having a completely free update to my phone the exact second someone on the internet told me it would be avaliable. You know what? Stop fixing bugs Motorola. I want my software now otherwise a couple weeks down the road, I'll have nothing to complain about. And as a consumer, I always need something to complain about! Nothing is good enough for me! Rabble rabble rabble!
There you go, I just summarized this forum over the past couple weeks.
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This made my day hahahahahahaa xD
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I'll see you in hell.. where the devil knows my name...
I have a Razr Maxx side by side with a Galaxy Nexus, and taking out all the politics and love/hate to their manufacturers, here is my evaluation of them as PHONES (ya know, thingies that make calls):
- Gnex - early ICS, tried more than 10 different ROMs until I settled for one that is just blazing fast. Battery - barely a day. Insufficient battery life, for my needs.
- Razr - Good hardware. Lots of trolling on forums, caused by Motorola's delays. Amazing battery, but without several ROMs to test, the only usable thing is an ICS leak that underperforms - sluggish, and no native SIP (no, I don't want it through 3rd party apps - Gnex's ICS has it. Period.).
I do have a 3200mAh battery for the Gnex. Lasts more than a day with it, but looks like a telephone with a disease. Or a very healthy brick.
At the end of the day, I like them both, but I just wish I had a Gnex with the Razr's battery.
I want to complain about ics leak 211 running great on my RAZR Maxx. ..but then I woke up and realised its as good as it selling. I read something today stating the RAZR/Maxx line gas outsold Verizon's iPhone 4s finally. Might not be much but that's a good foothold.
I like my razr, really much, he's like a son for me, the perfect son.
I just hate motorola, really hate..
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Other than the data issue with this phone. Its perfectly fine.
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For not caring a shi*t of they costumers and for locking the bootlaoder on an open source os like android
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Android should be open and free to all of us to play with. Bootloader
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None of your gripes happened after you bought your phones. Why would you buy a phone that did not meet your needs? And Android IS open source... to the manufacturers. You DO understand that Motorola is a business, right? They're not a non-profit organization serving some altruistic higher calling. They have one obligation- to sell phones, tablets, and accessories at a price that will generate a profit for the stockholders. That's it. They never promised an unlocked bootloader. They have, historically, given free updates to the folk who buy their phones.
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None of your gripes happened after you bought your phones. Why would you buy a phone that did not meet your needs? And Android IS open source... to the manufacturers. You DO understand that Motorola is a business, right? They're not a non-profit organization serving some altruistic higher calling. They have one obligation- to sell phones, tablets, and accessories at a price that will generate a profit for the stockholders. That's it. They never promised an unlocked bootloader. They have, historically, given free updates to the folk who buy their phones.
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They never put on they commercial that they have a locked bootloader and also i bought my phone when it was on sale so i took the offer and i didn't tought that it will have a locked bootloader (my naive thought, coming from a n1, was oh nice is an android i can do whather i want)
Also is true that a company doesn't have ony obbligation to give some nice support to their customers, but do you really think that people knowing that will ever buy something from them? I'm pretty sure that everyone here that are whining about the bootloader will NEVER suggest a motorola to their friend,parents etc.
They can make us happy without too much hassle, yet they still continue this way and i'm pretty sure that this thing influence the sales( last motorola quarter was not too good even though the razr and the droid 4 are awesome smartphones)
p.s they promised the bootloader unlock: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ockable-in-late-2011-where-carriers-allow-it/
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Android should be open and free to all of us to play with. Bootloader
Battery life => 2 Days RazrMaxx
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i must be doing something wrong on my maxx because i don't even get a day and 1/2.
Seeing how long it takes to develop ics,, which I suspect started even before the product is launched.. I wonder how long it would take for us to get jelly beans..
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Seeing how long it takes to develop ics,, which I suspect started even before the product is launched.. I wonder how long it would take for us to get jelly beans..
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were not going to get jellybean.
BakaPhoenix said:
They never put on they commercial that they have a locked bootloader and also i bought my phone when it was on sale so i took the offer and i didn't tought that it will have a locked bootloader (my naive thought, coming from a n1, was oh nice is an android i can do whather i want)
Also is true that a company doesn't have ony obbligation to give some nice support to their customers, but do you really think that people knowing that will ever buy something from them? I'm pretty sure that everyone here that are whining about the bootloader will NEVER suggest a motorola to their friend,parents etc.
They can make us happy without too much hassle, yet they still continue this way and i'm pretty sure that this thing influence the sales( last motorola quarter was not too good even though the razr and the droid 4 are awesome smartphones)
p.s they promised the bootloader unlock: http://www.androidpolice.com/2011/0...ockable-in-late-2011-where-carriers-allow-it/
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Oh, where to begin...
Some guy on the internet says Motorola says they'll unlock the bootloader? Sorry... not official word, not corroborated, blah blah blah. About as believable as that guy who was posting bogus ICS pictures here for the last couple weeks.
Maybe you need to check your info... The Razr is the #1 selling smartphone at Verizon... even surpassing the iPhone.
I've had great support on all my Motorola phones (my Razr Maxx is my 4th). On this phone alone, I've had 2 updates, and ICS should be here shortly. On my last phone, it started on Eclair, was updated to Froyo, and then to Gingerbread. And in between and after, it's had other maintenance updates, too. What more do you want... a valet to charge it for you when it gets low?
I'm sorry that you didn't properly research your phone before you bought it. But whose fault is that? It's certainly not Motorola's.
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were not going to get jellybean.
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Oh, where to begin...
*Citation needed
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not really.
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not really.
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Again, my last phone was updated from Eclair to Froyo to Gingerbread. You have no basis in claiming the Razr will not get Jellybean. Unless you have some proof... which I doubt.
I am an atrix user and i looked at all the atrix,photon and electr. forums and i suggezt we should create a topic to fight togeather against the Motofail. Also everibody should chech the other forums on the moto page to let em know they are suck!
Edit 1: somebody has been put up a moto conversation on the forum, and they said they won't update becouse of the hardware..thats ridiculous!
But on the other hand some of us thinks that the google cancelled the update thanks to debian linux.. (aka webtop)
Edit 2: you should check out the general atrix forums for ideas and support. We could win togeather!
Thank you!
(Sorry for bad eng)
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I agree, we have to work together on this. But what can we do?
You'll get a better response if you make a proper thread title...
We could find the review section of every new moto phone on all the different carriers and bombard it terrible awful (two star not one) reviews... Just a myriad of reception battery stability hardware problems that make people stay with samsung or HTC.
"I really liked this phone but... godawful experience 123" "It has such a great battery life but..."
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I agree, we have to work together on this. But what can we do?
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Sh!t on the coats. I'm sorry, I'm just...this needs to settle in. I'm with you guys till the bitter end though.
It though kinda makes sense though, do you think they will skip ICS and get JB - The list was only for ICS Kinda made sense since why upgrade us directly to ICS > JB
This is not the ICS rollout page, this is the Motorola upgrade page, the MOTOROLA XOOM will see a Jellybean Upgrade on that page. "Will remain at GB" does not mean "Will not be getting ICS, May be getting JB" It means "Will remain at GB"
I hate to be a buzz kill but the effort might be rather pointless. We're dead in the water folks, abandoned by Moto and Google.
I'd be shocked if we ever get any support past today
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Go tell the bastard. Flood him.
Not that it will help much but I put up a motonomore.com . I figured myself and anyone else can complain and cry and Motorola and Google can't edit anything. Maybe with a bunch of No More Motorola posts Google will either close their doors on Motorola or make them honor their lies.
Google and Motorola Mobility and the Dialer security vulnerability.
Reading other threads about the dialer vulnerability, I think Google and Motorola Mobility are now obligated to patch the Dialer + Browser security vulnerability. There are thousands if not millions of users vulnerable and if not upgrading us allows this to exist, then they have a class action lawsuit brewing. I honestly think Google should seriously consider their subsidiarys actions before this starts screwing the people with more money and legal advantages.
Motorola Mobility is evil and therefore Google is evil. ****ing crooks.
We should complain on the motos site cause if we do it here nothing will happen
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https://plus.google.com/+PunitSoni/
Go tell the bastard. Flood him.
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Already done #MotoFail
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Is harassing the new guy at MMI really going to help us? That's pathetic. Sure, I believe everyone at Motorola and Google need to understand that they let us all down, but I personally draw the line at flooding their social media accounts. Just wanted to put that out there. No need to debate it, that's just what I think. While I'm at it, posting false reviews for any phone is also a low blow. Now if you want to post a review that says that Motorola doesn't support their phones and that the phone will never see an upgrade... be my guest. Because that's honest.
I actually blame the Android community for stuff like this. The Sunfire is a great phone, and we all know it can run JB, at least AOSP JB. Maybe not JellyBlur, whenever that comes out, but AOSP JB, not a problem. We know because we've done it, and if Motorola released the source or whatever it is the devs need, and the transition/scrolling stuttering was wiped out, and the camera and camcorder worked... well, it would be awesome. But look, you can run Holo Launcher and Notification Toggle on the stock ROM (or CM7) and it will run fine. I don't think this gets you the best battery life, but it's acceptable. Now compare a Sunfire (either Photon or Electrify, it doesn't matter once you unlock) with the best phone on the market. I guess GS3 or Note 2. Is One X still a contender? What's the difference? Does Angry Birds: Space load a few seconds faster? They both run great and do pretty much whatever you need. But yet we tend to push for the next big thing while disrespecting those who are fine with last year's big thing. So is it really any surprise when Motorola abandons last year's big thing to focus on the next big thing? Not to me it isn't. But we don't want to slow down too much and retard the development like Apple has. We don't want to be 2-3 years behind. What we want, I feel safe saying, is a smartphone ecosystem where competent phones from the last few years can still get updates, as long as they can legitimately handle them.
Personally, I'd be willing to pay for these updates. Why should Motorola bring us ICS, when they could just have us buy their next phone? What if enough of us agreed to split the difference, and pay for the upgrade? Considering people are paying $15-20 for that one launcher, don't you think people would pay $35-40 for a software update? Granted, it would have to be prompt. I wouldn't pay $40 for ICS. Make it JB and I'll buy two (one for me, one for my wife). I'm perfectly willing to pay for software. I'm not asking for something for nothing.
But hey, at least we can get $100 towards a new Motorola phone that will never be upgraded to KLP if we turn in our phone and switch to Big Red, eh?
it really bad news for me, why?
i'm living in ukraine, not in USA where i can buy phones for contract, we have another prices on phones, with very big difference in money, and so, now i must.. sell my phone, and buy something new.. ok, thx moto, good phone, bad company.
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Is harassing the new guy at MMI really going to help us? That's pathetic. Sure, I believe everyone at Motorola and Google need to understand that they let us all down, but I personally draw the line at flooding their social media accounts. Just wanted to put that out there. No need to debate it, that's just what I think. While I'm at it, posting false reviews for any phone is also a low blow. Now if you want to post a review that says that Motorola doesn't support their phones and that the phone will never see an upgrade... be my guest. Because that's honest.
I actually blame the Android community for stuff like this. The Sunfire is a great phone, and we all know it can run JB, at least AOSP JB. Maybe not JellyBlur, whenever that comes out, but AOSP JB, not a problem. We know because we've done it, and if Motorola released the source or whatever it is the devs need, and the transition/scrolling stuttering was wiped out, and the camera and camcorder worked... well, it would be awesome. But look, you can run Holo Launcher and Notification Toggle on the stock ROM (or CM7) and it will run fine. I don't think this gets you the best battery life, but it's acceptable. Now compare a Sunfire (either Photon or Electrify, it doesn't matter once you unlock) with the best phone on the market. I guess GS3 or Note 2. Is One X still a contender? What's the difference? Does Angry Birds: Space load a few seconds faster? They both run great and do pretty much whatever you need. But yet we tend to push for the next big thing while disrespecting those who are fine with last year's big thing. So is it really any surprise when Motorola abandons last year's big thing to focus on the next big thing? Not to me it isn't. But we don't want to slow down too much and retard the development like Apple has. We don't want to be 2-3 years behind. What we want, I feel safe saying, is a smartphone ecosystem where competent phones from the last few years can still get updates, as long as they can legitimately handle them.
Personally, I'd be willing to pay for these updates. Why should Motorola bring us ICS, when they could just have us buy their next phone? What if enough of us agreed to split the difference, and pay for the upgrade? Considering people are paying $15-20 for that one launcher, don't you think people would pay $35-40 for a software update? Granted, it would have to be prompt. I wouldn't pay $40 for ICS. Make it JB and I'll buy two (one for me, one for my wife). I'm perfectly willing to pay for software. I'm not asking for something for nothing.
But hey, at least we can get $100 towards a new Motorola phone that will never be upgraded to KLP if we turn in our phone and switch to Big Red, eh?
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Well Said......
I will agree, at the end of the day I need reliable hardware with good reception out here in the "sticks".
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Reading other threads about the dialer vulnerability, I think Google and Motorola Mobility are now obligated to patch the Dialer + Browser security vulnerability. There are thousands if not millions of users vulnerable and if not upgrading us allows this to exist, then they have a class action lawsuit brewing. I honestly think Google should seriously consider their subsidiarys actions before this starts screwing the people with more money and legal advantages.
Motorola Mobility is evil and therefore Google is evil. ****ing crooks.
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Google still has nothing to do with Motorola at this point. You have no one to blame but Motorola. They've pulled this stuff for many many years now.
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I actually blame the Android community for stuff like this. The Sunfire is a great phone, and we all know it can run JB, at least AOSP JB. Maybe not JellyBlur, whenever that comes out, but AOSP JB, not a problem. We know because we've done it, and if Motorola released the source or whatever it is the devs need, and the transition/scrolling stuttering was wiped out, and the camera and camcorder worked... well, it would be awesome.
They both run great and do pretty much whatever you need. But yet we tend to push for the next big thing while disrespecting those who are fine with last year's big thing. So is it really any surprise when Motorola abandons last year's big thing to focus on the next big thing? Not to me it isn't. But we don't want to slow down too much and retard the development like Apple has. We don't want to be 2-3 years behind. What we want, I feel safe saying, is a smartphone ecosystem where competent phones from the last few years can still get updates, as long as they can legitimately handle them.
Personally, I'd be willing to pay for these updates. Why should Motorola bring us ICS, when they could just have us buy their next phone? What if enough of us agreed to split the difference, and pay for the upgrade? Considering people are paying $15-20 for that one launcher, don't you think people would pay $35-40 for a software update? Granted, it would have to be prompt. I wouldn't pay $40 for ICS. Make it JB and I'll buy two (one for me, one for my wife). I'm perfectly willing to pay for software. I'm not asking for something for nothing.
But hey, at least we can get $100 towards a new Motorola phone that will never be upgraded to KLP if we turn in our phone and switch to Big Red, eh?
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While I agree to some of your points, I have to disagree largely with most.
Why should I have to pay for an update that should be part of the phone?
Its ridiculous.
I don't need gaming or a few extra benchmark points.
But I do want to enjoy the new features of the software. And in this case, the Atrix and Photon are both capable of running ICS and JB effectively.
ICS code was released last November; 11 months ago!!!!
An ICS upgrade should have been released in April; or by June at the very latest.
It was not considered last year's big thing until Moto let so much time pass by.
Delaying it for so long and then saying that the phones are old and EOL, simply breaks customer confidence in the company.
There is just no excuse for doing that.
Here's what disgusts me:
1. What is the deal with the locked bootloaders? Why can HTC and Samsung sell phones that are so easily unlocked but Motorola not only has to lock theirs down tight, but when someone figures out how to get around it they go out of their way to release a minor update that patches the bootloader hole.
2. And then to top it off, they then cut off access to ICS or JB. WTF? If you don't want to provide us with an OEM ICS update, did you also have to lock the f'ing bootloaders down so tight that we can't either? This is what I really struggle to understand - whose phone is it? Is it not mine? I paid for it (and don't feed me the crap about the carrier "subsidizing it", that is a lie they push to force people into two year contracts) so why can't I load whatever software I want on it? Can you imagine buying a Dell or an HP laptop or computer and not having administrator access to your own computer? Or being told by Dell I can't load Windows 8 or Ubuntu Linux, that I have to stay on Vista or some crap? Hell, on my Xoom tablet I have to go through some BS process to get root access and it's a Wifi-only Xoom (so no lies about carrier subsidy - I paid full freight for the tablet). Why would it be locked down?
3. If they want to stick with the two-year contract deal, then they need to support the phone for two years. If a group of people who have jobs and school to attend can come up with custom roms with no access to source code, etc. then paid engineers with access to nVidia, Google, etc. resources can make an update and it doesn't take 9 months to do so. My Xoom had JB like two weeks after Google announced it.
I don't care how anyone wants to spin it, Motorola and Sprint absolutely fu'ed everyone who bought that phone. Mine did not function normally. I would have days where I would suddenly stop getting texts and had to do a battery pull and restart the phone and then would suddenly start getting them. I have no SBF available to me if I want to wipe the device and start fresh. I am running bone stock (I have 2.3.5 so I have no choice)
In Indianapolis, Sprint users have been paying that ripoff "Premium Data" fee for absolutely lousy 3G speeds and three Clearwire towers that I have connected to for a total of ten minutes in two years. I can't stream Pandora or Google Music at the gym or in my car. Unlimited data means nothing to me when I have to sip it through a 120 kbps straw. So Motorola, Sprint, Google and any other users can spin this any way they want but it is a giant, steaming pile of $hit that they just handed us.
Google bought Motorola for its patent portfolio. Otherwise, Motorola operates as a separate entity.
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