Maybe this sheds more hope on the X2 getting ICS? The main difference between the phones are the X2 has a dual-core processor while the Incredible 2 has a single-core, but the Incredible 2 has 768MB of RAM while the X2 has 512MB. They both came out at around the same time period as well. Wouldn't the dual-core/single-core processor make a bigger difference on performance with ICS versus the 256MB extra of RAM?
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/02/1...nd-rhyme-will-all-receive-ice-cream-sandwich/
If the Incredible 2 gets it and the X2 doesn't I'm going to be slightly frustrated on the matter.
Hmm, unlocked bootloaders on older phones as well as ICS?
HTC is where I'm headed next when it's time to upgrade this summer...
Well, unless memory management is a real mess on Android, I don't see why 512MBs of ram isn't enough. I ran WinXP for something like 2 years with 512 for 2 years and it ran smooth and fast. Then I added another 512 and to be honest, I couldn't tell the difference. The two OS's don't even compare when it comes to size and what needs to be loaded into ram.
Granted, the processor on the computer was twice as fast as the one on the X2, but I know people who ran XP just fine on the same amount of ram and a 1GHz single core processor. A bit slower than mine, but it ran fine. Perhaps I'm missing something. Don't know but it doesn't make sense to me.
its simple
Motorola has released so many freaking phones lately that they do not have the time/manpower to keep up with updating them so they are gonna pick their biggest sellers and update them.
the x2 was simply a flop seller for them.
between the D3 coming out close to it, and the buzz around the bionic at the time, along with all the returned devices because the damn phone can't even play music smoothly consistently, it just seems like they aren't to worried about the relatively "small" percentage of customers they will piss off either by taking WAY to long to update us, or just altogether snuffing us on the update...
rant rant rant bla bla bla and all that nonsensical banter
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its simple
Motorola has released so many freaking phones lately that they do not have the time/manpower to keep up with updating them so they are gonna pick their biggest sellers and update them.
the x2 was simply a flop seller for them.
between the D3 coming out close to it, and the buzz around the bionic at the time, along with all the returned devices because the damn phone can't even play music smoothly consistently, it just seems like they aren't to worried about the relatively "small" percentage of customers they will piss off either by taking WAY to long to update us, or just altogether snuffing us on the update...
rant rant rant bla bla bla and all that nonsensical banter
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You, sir, get a gold star and go to the head of the class. In other word, right on the money.
hell even the HTC thunderbolt is getting ICS
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hell even the HTC thunderbolt is getting ICS
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Hence, that's why I'm going HTC for my next phone. They at least seem to give a crap about their customers whereas Motorola wants to saturate the market with as many new phones as possible, going completely against their promise not to do so.
Oh well, this is the same company that promised to unlock their bootloaders by the 4th quarter of 2011 and we all now how smooth and wonderful that went.
I know someone posted that he despised HTC because they didn't seem to last long , going bad in a few months due to hardware failures. Has anyone else noticed that before or even now? Just curious.
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Hence, that's why I'm going HTC for my next phone. They at least seem to give a crap about their customers whereas Motorola wants to saturate the market with as many new phones as possible, going completely against their promise not to do so.
Oh well, this is the same company that promised to unlock their bootloaders by the 4th quarter of 2011 and we all now how smooth and wonderful that went.
I know someone posted that he despised HTC because they didn't seem to last long , going bad in a few months due to hardware failures. Has anyone else noticed that before or even now? Just curious.
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The HTC phone owners I know absolutely rave about their phones. I haven't heard about any hardware failures from them, and we talk about our phones frequently. So far, I've heard the best reviews on the Rezound. Which HTC are you considering?
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its simple
Motorola has released so many freaking phones lately that they do not have the time/manpower to keep up with updating them so they are gonna pick their biggest sellers and update them.
the x2 was simply a flop seller for them.
between the D3 coming out close to it, and the buzz around the bionic at the time, along with all the returned devices because the damn phone can't even play music smoothly consistently, it just seems like they aren't to worried about the relatively "small" percentage of customers they will piss off either by taking WAY to long to update us, or just altogether snuffing us on the update...
rant rant rant bla bla bla and all that nonsensical banter
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+1 , indeed.
Think that the massive amounts of phones being created and released will decrease now that Google has acquired Motorola? That maybe, just maybe, they'll focus on quality over quantity?
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Hence, that's why I'm going HTC for my next phone. They at least seem to give a crap about their customers whereas Motorola wants to saturate the market with as many new phones as possible, going completely against their promise not to do so.
Oh well, this is the same company that promised to unlock their bootloaders by the 4th quarter of 2011 and we all now how smooth and wonderful that went.
I know someone posted that he despised HTC because they didn't seem to last long , going bad in a few months due to hardware failures. Has anyone else noticed that before or even now? Just curious.
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I had a tmobile htc g1 for like 3 years. That thing was indestructible, and i even had gingerbread on it when it finally died. It fell into water no less, not even a hardware failure. Since then iv had an Incredible, which was a tough cookie as well, and a thunderbolt after that. Any talk of failures bar the software bugs the Tbolt had in its release IMO are pretty few and far between. i know i had great luck with them, and had i not loved my droidx so much in the time i had it, i probably wouldnt have a dx2. i do miss my unlocked bootloaders, and 1.8ghz OC on my tbolt too bad the battery life was atrocious. Id say go for an htc next
I also have to think that HTC has hit upon something with their recent commentary about shifting from producing a lot of models of smartphone to producing a few very GOOD models of smartphone. I'm all for this, I don't see any reason why there should be 10 varieties of phone from a single vendor on a couple of carriers, you're just creating problems like what we're seeing from Motorola here.
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Hence, that's why I'm going HTC for my next phone. They at least seem to give a crap about their customers whereas Motorola wants to saturate the market with as many new phones as possible, going completely against their promise not to do so.
Oh well, this is the same company that promised to unlock their bootloaders by the 4th quarter of 2011 and we all now how smooth and wonderful that went.
I know someone posted that he despised HTC because they didn't seem to last long , going bad in a few months due to hardware failures. Has anyone else noticed that before or even now? Just curious.
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In my past experience with HTC phones they didn't last long at all. I had a few crap out on me with hardware failure. But, that was a few years ago they may have better hardware now. Or I would really hope so anyways.
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Every phone I've ever bought turned out to be crap and loose support within months. Next Time its either HTC or Samsung. I vowed not to get Motorola before I bought the X2 but bought it anyway. I love the phone but once again feel shafted.
Our company went with the origional incredible (10-15 phones) and didn't have many hardware issues that I'm aware of. Coverage was typical far as I could tell.
Me, I took a X back then and loved it till they killed it with GB. They offered me a few choices as a free replacement and I took the X2 thinking I had the docks etc for it.
At this point I'm not hesitating to jump ship from Moto, like alot have already said, to many phones pushed onto the market spreading the support for them way way to thin.
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i wasn't impressed with my samsung. my fascinate seemed like it was forgotten the moment it was released. nice screen, though. my inc2 is three times the phone that was, and is currently running ICS with very few bugs, save for buggy camera. the biggest issue and gripe about htc is the audio. on the inc2, at least, the audio levels are low on custom roms unless tweaked in the kernel, due to the weird way they did the audio on this phone. i do like the phone, but for pure modding, i don't think you can beat a nexus. that may be my next device. i'd LOVE to see an HTC nexus.
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i'd LOVE to see an HTC nexus.
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Yep, the N1 (and its twin, the original Desire) is one of the best Android phones of all time.
I don't understand why you guys are complaining that X2 isn't getting ICS. I mean this phone came out in April or May11... There has only been 1 phone to even release with ICS since then and the next is still about a month out. By the time a ICS update would even hit for this phone, you would probably be a couple months from a upgrade anyway and a waaay better phone.
btw I had a HTC Incredible. Amazing phone and I abused the heck out of it on a physical and software level. Id go back to HTC in a heartbeat when their tegra 3 phone comes out.
I'mma be honest. I personally don't care if this phone gets ICS or not. I've toyed around with a nexus before and I still don't see what the big fuss over ICS is about. Sure ICS would be cool, but I wouldnt cry if I didn't get it lol.
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I'mma be honest. I personally don't care if this phone gets ICS or not. I've toyed around with a nexus before and I still don't see what the big fuss over ICS is about. Sure ICS would be cool, but I wouldnt cry if I didn't get it lol.
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but the fact remains
Motorola publicly stated/promised to give updates and support devices for 18 MONTHS AFTER RELEASE. our x2 is perfectly capable of handling ics, we SHOULD get it. if we don't I for one will chalk it up to Motorola being lazy, not trying hard enough,.and being greedy (many people WANT ics and by not updating x2 many people will go buy a new device)
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All this talk about HTC and Sami phones being better and all. But put aside cool features and even usability cuz of an unlocked bootloader. Do they sound as good as a phone?
I thought the D3 was a better sounding but had to choose ours cuz of the Bluetooth tone that is forced on D3 users. Yet I never heard a phone sound as good as the original Droid.
Rant off.
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I'mma be honest. I personally don't care if this phone gets ICS or not. I've toyed around with a nexus before and I still don't see what the big fuss over ICS is about. Sure ICS would be cool, but I wouldnt cry if I didn't get it lol.
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Because of hardware acceleration. It offloads graphical processing from the CPU and places it where it belongs: on the GPU.
Better multitasking via a kernel rewrite to make the system smoother.
Those are the two biggies for me.
And, unless the X2 gets an ICS kernel, you won't see those two things.
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Droid Eris November 6, 2009 - May, 2010
That seems a bit short. I'm still happy with my purchase and hope this doesn't stop HTC from supporting it later on (I know it won't be soon) and that the devs may lose interest... Oh well. Maybe i'll scrap some cash together and just grab a desire when it comes out... who knows.
**Sorry for the poor title. I didn't catch it til it was too late.**
it's really all verizon's fault, they NEVER promoted the eris, and if you went in there wanting to buy one they would push the droid on you like no tomorrow.
hopefully this doesnt stop them from releasing the 2.1 OTA update to the general public, it will really help development along for us. Someday, when my eris dies I will upgrade (damn that incredible looks so good...) but until that day, I dont regret a single thing about it. except for installing leak, good thing a got a replacement though
It always seemed to me like the Eris has been advertised as Verizon's cheaper (even free for a lot of us) alternative to the Droid, and it did it's job well.
With the Incredible and Nexus One and all of the other phones (probably) coming out soon I'd expect the Droid to take the Eris' place in the lineup, like a "Buy a new HTC Incredible and get a Motorola Droid FREE" kind of deal.
ah.... oh well...
Looks like I will be upgrading soon... and paying the full price too lol, since I JUST started my contract on November 2009... oh well technology comes and goes.. and I'll have a new testing device!
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Looks like I will be upgrading soon... and paying the full price too lol, since I JUST started my contract on November 2009... oh well technology comes and goes.. and I'll have a new testing device!
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Why would you upgrade that quick? The eris still has quite a few miles left in her. Early adopters can be very annoying sometimes. I have a friend (kind of) that buys a new macbook everytime there is a refresh. Drives me bat**** crazy to pay several hundred dollars more for something that does only a little more than the old one...
The Long and The Short of it...
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Droid Eris November 6, 2009 - May, 2010
That seems a bit short. I'm still happy with my purchase and hope this doesn't stop HTC from supporting it later on (I know it won't be soon) and that the devs may lose interest... Oh well. Maybe i'll scrap some cash together and just grab a desire when it comes out... who knows.
**Sorry for the poor title. I didn't catch it til it was too late.**
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We all know technology changes daily be it hardware or software or whatever...
Cell phones, pda's ect are particularly susceptible as they are market driven and manufacturers are always trying to come out with the "Next Big Thing".
Hell the moto droid is now available on several websites for 20 bucks on a new 2 year...Letstalk.com etc...
Being a former 8 year blackberry user I can say this for Android at least theyre not just putting a new facade over a dated os\ui . So long as my eris doesnt melt down at the end of life date I'm good. Also so long as you're a VZW customer you'll get support for your device even if it is minimal.
I always felt the Eris was kind of an afterthought, the way they marketed it.
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Why would you upgrade that quick? The eris still has quite a few miles left in her. Early adopters can be very annoying sometimes. I have a friend (kind of) that buys a new macbook everytime there is a refresh. Drives me bat**** crazy to pay several hundred dollars more for something that does only a little more than the old one...
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It's just a thought for now... I haven't totally decided but I will wait and see what the HTC incredible or whatever VZW comes out with, has to offer... if its something like an amazingly fast phone I'll probably get it.. if not I will stay with the Eris.. I don't hate the Eris, I think it is one amazing phone
plus I'd still be on here [XDA] using the Eris for testing stuff, helping out as much as I can..
looking at the incredible's spec sheet though, it's really worth the upgrade, i mean... it literally DOUBLES most of the specs, the re resolution of the screen is 480x800... the eris' screen is 480 in LENGTH, that's pretty impressive. Will i get the incredible? if i had the money, which i dont, so i will stay with my eris for as long as I deem fit, because honestly, it's a damn good phone for what it's worth.
and what about in six more months after that and they double the specs on the incredible
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looking at the incredible's spec sheet though, it's really worth the upgrade, i mean... it literally DOUBLES most of the specs, the re resolution of the screen is 480x800... the eris' screen is 480 in LENGTH, that's pretty impressive. Will i get the incredible? if i had the money, which i dont, so i will stay with my eris for as long as I deem fit, because honestly, it's a damn good phone for what it's worth.
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exactly... I will see when i comes out what people are saying first.. and the eris is an amazing phone for the price. I really dont think you can beat the value.
After rocking an HTC Touch for 1.5 years, I bought a brand new Eris from someone and avoided a contract reset just a week ago. I think it's a great phone, and I have no regrets. I can upgrade anytime but I'm still on a very good Alltel contract so I want to hold out as long as I can before switching to a VZW plan. It does everything I need it to do.
Has anyone heard anything more about this? I'd like to know if it's actually going to happen or not. Although I'm sure if it is we'll find out soon.. I'd also like to know if they'd offer us an upgrade for free or at least half price. If they stop doing the phone completely I think they should at least offer us something. I'd love to upgrade to the Incredible if it was free or half price..
why would they give us a new phone simply because they've stopped selling it?
If you have to do a warranty replacement or anything like that, I'm sure there is a large multitude of backup units, and once those run out/they stop carrying those, verizon will simply replace it with a phone of equal value and hardware features like they always have done for discontinued phones.
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looking at the incredible's spec sheet though, it's really worth the upgrade, i mean... it literally DOUBLES most of the specs, the re resolution of the screen is 480x800... the eris' screen is 480 in LENGTH, that's pretty impressive. Will i get the incredible? if i had the money, which i dont, so i will stay with my eris for as long as I deem fit, because honestly, it's a damn good phone for what it's worth.
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BUT WHY SENSE UI?
i want the incredible. i'm due for an upgrade. and i'm depressed because the nexus one is apparently not coming to verizon. but incredible without sense ui would be ahmazing
looking at the incredible's spec sheet though, it's really worth the upgrade, i mean... it literally DOUBLES most of the specs, the re resolution of t
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BUT WHY SENSE UI?
i want the incredible. i'm due for an upgrade. and i'm depressed because the nexus one is apparently not coming to verizon. but incredible without sense ui would be ahmazing
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Where did you hear that the nexus one isn't coming to verizon. It's been confirmed for verizon for a while now. There just isn't a release date. I suspect we'll hear about it next month at the google I/o conference as will as news about froyo.
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Where did you hear that the nexus one isn't coming to verizon. It's been confirmed for verizon for a while now. There just isn't a release date. I suspect we'll hear about it next month at the google I/o conference as will as news about froyo.
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/26/google-updates-nexus-one-page-tells-verizon-customers-to-get-a/
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I just read an article about the nexus one being scrapped. Thought you just another person complaining because they were impatient. I'll eat my words and apologize now.
yeah, the nexus one is pretty dead.
plagued by 3g problems, and low sales, the only thing to really look forward to in picking one up over another phone like the incredible is that it it's wireless N chipset miiiiiiiiiiight (big might) get support soon.
honestly, for the price you'd be better off getting an incredible and waiting for root to get vanilla-android.
and man, why do people hate sense ui so much? the only ONLY problem it has is how laggy it can get. and on the eris? honestly, I expected it when I bought it looking at the specs. but upgrading to 2.1 got rid of ALL the lag for me. I love the look and extra screens of sense.
and jebus... the incredible is rocking DOUBLE the cpu and ram hardware, using nearly the same rosie build as the eris. it will be faster then us on 2.1 out of the freaking box, and with root... you'll be blazing through apps like crazy.
Before i begin my rant, a precursor..This is not a post about the Devs not getting us unlocked BL or whatever may be... Far far from that.. My thanks and Enormous respect and gratitude go out to every single Dev and User who has helped not only myself, but every other user on XDA and other boards with the Droid X2.
The party seems to be over. I think the bulk of us knew, getting the X2 was more of a bridge in the gap til our next big phone, which I believed would be a 2nd Gen 4G LTE device. The droid Bionic hit today and yes, its obviously a much more robust product, kinda the same kinda different, then our beloved X/X2.
Where I live (Long Island) 4G is pretty prevelant.. I have used the Pantech 4G modem on a macbook and it got me 35 Meg down over air (6 meg up), which almost made me faint. This isnt about speed tho and the x2's lack of 4g..
The facts are the Devs are all killing themselves, trying so hard to come up with a way to make teh x2 better.. Untapped and unrealized potential we have in this device. Unfortunatley i dont see a light at the end of this tunnel.
Perhaps Ice Cream will save us end of the year, or Q1 of 2012, but thats doubtful. I came to the X2 on the sheer hope and belif that NVidia's Tegra 2 was gonna reign the supreme King of all processors on the mobile market.. Yet new phones are using TI more now. Why? Dunno.. Motorola has been hush as to why they didnt use the Tegra in the Bionic..
When i got the x2, as im sure most of you had, it was $199.. 4 weeks later its $99. Now its buy one get one free. Every since i have used smartphones (Since the old samsung SCH-i600 Win Mo 2002 phone), I have never seen the life of a phone come and go so fast..
Maybe thats my most annoying thins. It may not be true that the phone is Dead, or that dev will cease, but it sure as hell feels like it, don't it? Look at the facts:
-Hardly Any new topics across 6 different forums (XDA, DroidForums, Motorola, AndroidForums Etc).
-Buy one Get one Free (aka verizon saying PLEASE TAKE THIS OFF OUR HANDS)
I just wanted to get this off my mind.. I love my x2, it has been by far the best phone i ever had, not even CLOSE.. The surely untapped potential of this device, and its dual core capability + Nvidida 3d backing just leaves me craving oh so much more.
A few points in response....
1, I feel you pain a little bit. Im not terribly concerned about the phone itself because, I do like it (except for the damn music skipping..thats pretty annoying).
I also do not enjoy the lack of "chit chat" so to speak on the different forum boards. On the D1, I could make a comment (or a theme) and 20 minutes later the thread was on the 2nd page. I enjoy the communication.
As a themer, I enjoy making them but you are right here somewhat. It takes a lot of hours to make a theme and probably even more over the long run to maintain it. My D1 themes were downloaded 1000's of times. So far, as of last night anyway, my X2 theme has been downloaded 42 times. That makes it real tough to convince myself to keep doing it. Not a slam in anyway, just a limitation of the amount of X2 users.
I bought my D1 as a BOGO and it was over a year before anything came out that made people abondon ship en masse.
The Bionic and probably every 4G phone to come has a price point of $299. Tough pill to swallow when thinking about bailing on the X2.
Eclipse is pretty much the only ROM I use and Nitro seems to be banging it out left and right. I don't think hes going anywhere anytime soon.
Thanks for such a fast response honestly.. It's good to clear the cobwebs around here every once in a while..
You make fantastic points on all fronts.
I can only imagine the time and effort put into your themes and roms etc.. One for which i would never have the time nor patience to get involved in.
As with all technology, and myself being in the IT industry for over 20 years knows, that You get the best, but as soon as you get it, its not the best anymore.. I think what hurt most of all in this entire process, was after the fight and aching to get GB on the X2, its like that was the end of the fight.. Nothing left to look forward too.
The phone works. Every android device has software issues. We all know this. I think the thing every user here wants, is to know just how far and what this X2 can really do.. What happens if we put the pedal to the floor, will this thing burn rubber? Or have we hit the ceiling? Is this all the x2 has and should we months from now when our contracts start dwindling down, start looking at the future alternatives?
My comparison (to laugh), the X2 is like the old Commodore 128. Built on top of the Commodore 64, best selling computer ever, the 128 had promise.. Was faster, more robust, etc.. It never reached its potential because 95% of the time, it was being used in Commodore 64 Mode. Then we all went out and got an IBM.
i dont see the phone being dropped any time soon. it has the new dual core and gpu chipsets and its 100$. not everyone can afford a bionic. also 4g isnt in that many places. i still see people with droid2s. im sure there are people in the boat i was in. pretty much i didnt want a non smart phone for 2 years and verizon had this at 100$ why would you pass that up if you are tight on money
I hear ya, but its not really about not wanting one because of lack of 4g in your area or like that. Obviously the $99 price tag is amazing for what it is, but what i'm saying is that in the what, 4 months the phone has been out it is already shelved, being dismissed, and honestly slowed to a crawl any and all wonderful enhancements we were all waiting and anticipating.
Its the nature of the beast.. Every phone or electronic device goes thru this, i just can not remember one happening tho THIS FAST?
I was an Avid HTC Touch Pro 2 user on verizon.. That thing was honestly DOG SH*T slow since day 1, yet the community kept that alive for me for almost 3 Years of use, as painstaking as it was.. Roms, apps etc that just kept me wanting more and more...
I feel (and i don't think im the only one) like with the Lack of chatter, as a previous post said, the lack of push from motorola, now motogoogle, the locked device etc.. we are at an impasse. Its not anyones fault. It is what it is..
Maybe some of us thouhgt for the initial $199 (more like $320 after all the docs, extra batteries etc that some of us, like me, bought) and we would honestly have a solid year + of things to look forward too.. Instead, (and again this is just my perception, i may be 100% wrong, and or you can see it different) I feel like the development cycle has slowed down because no one can crack this sucker. There pushing us out the door like an after thought..
Hell Verizon ran that Father's Day X2 commercial, for what, 3 weeks maybe.. Not even 1 commercial about the X2 since (Except for 1 buy one get one free offer i saw about a week ago). Aka, Dismissed. Now i didnt expect Verizon to push the thing for 6 months, obviously.. but hey i thought this thing was a special peice of hardware.. C'mon, its NVIDIA ffs. The King of 3D Graphics.. I was (and still am) convinced that if anyone out there was to make a 3d capable device that could have an interface that wipes the iphone off the map, it would be via NVIDIA.
It could be me overthinking things, or just the fact that i Love this hardware... After years upon years of windows mobile bashing my brains to puree (i havent played with win phone 7, its suppose to be SALTY with the Mango update).. To have a device that WORKS is amazing to me still.. I just want more, and i want the users who share the experience with me to have the best possible usage out of a decice that deserved better then it has gotten.
I agree with subdivision. I have and am still having buyers remorse with my x2. The devs for this phone have been great and worked very hard to make this a great phone, but lets face it 4g is where everyone is going now. Not to mention making huge leaps in custom deving a phone truly takes a large dev pool, something that we just don't have.
We recently switched our family plan over to my brothers Wells Fargo corporate account, with that comes one year contracts and no charge for extra lines.
I look forward to next June when I can change this thing in for the next phone.
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honestly a week or 2 ago verizon had nothing that was better than the x2 in my book with maybe the exception of the droid 3 but i hated the keyboard. now they have the bionic if you want to pay for it. i guess verizon just has ****ty phones
Ok I just got my DX2 Friday and I moved from the Droid Eris we spent 8mo to get a full working root for everyone s-on and leaked 2.1 users. Someone knows someone just like in our case who gave up an answer to what we were missing on vulnerability.
Has anyone gone outside of this forum to find Devs bftb0, TopazArron, JCase, Darchstar, rigmarts, tazzpatriot, punkaos,and zifnab06 these are all Super intelligent Devs/Hackers that I was in on the IRC with researching for months exploits.
Who do we have dev wise that has rooted a phone from a 0day? Are we setting up them an IRC server and letting only thoes members in? I see a lot of prommised money and that is all good but no traffic for a Dev to root a device is present. I am not aware of who found the current workarounds or if other exploits worked so if there are Devs active sorry didn't know just got the phone.
The Droid Eris had no commercial time at all I just found it cause it was cheaper than the Droid 1. Once an root was found the aboved mentioned move on to other devices but the Themers and ROM Devs steped in and are still going, all for a phone that isn't even sold anymore.
So instead of being all upset about it spend that time getting to know other devs from other forums and finding out exploits or befriending them to possibly work on our phone. I just tweeted Jcase to see what he is up to.
A good Dev will enjoy the challenge this Ef'n bootloader and Communist Motorola has created. And with the recent purchase of Motorola by Google could be a good thing, most of the Season Rooters have contacts in Google and could get info.
I just went to PM Jcase and he is currently active looking at the bounty page. Now since it is a bunch of people just offering money I would think if the second pot for a DX2 for the Dev to use has to be legit. They are going to have to have one or two if they do work on it.
I think our best hacker for x2 is navenedrob and he doesn't even own an x2 lol
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Once again, i don't mean to be repetitive, but please do not take this thread as a "OMG THE DEVS ARENT DOING ANYTHING JUMP SHIP" post.. Totally not my intent.
Voicing my frustration at Verizon, Motorola.. and to a lesser extent NVidia and Google. No phone is perfect, again we all know that. This device COULD be one of if not a TOP Tier phone for the next 2 years if the proper people and channels got together and did something about it.
First off Verizon could have really pushed the Dual Core Phone as the future, and heads above the rest, since it out benchmarked every phone they had almost 5 fold.
Motorola could have been seen as a savior, instead of a villain, by giving us that true open source Option.. Unlocked Phone, Choice to remove Blur etc..
Google could have gotten off its pile of huge money and stock and said "Hey, we don't like how you are using our OS on this device, that has to change Pronto"..
NVidia could have said "Hey why are you not taking proper advantage of Our Tegra 2 chipset to show really what this bad boy can do?".
What IF's.. Thats all we have had with this phone.. What iF it was unlocked.. What IF both cores were truly being used correctly.. what if.. what if.. what if..
Our phone is a Very Very good phone. I Love it.. I have tailored it to suit me SO well that i honestly wouldn't change it for any device short of maybe the Galaxy S 2 only cause that seems to be the phone thats making everyone go gaga.. but i will say the Simple reason i didn't get a thunderbolt or wait for the bionic was the scary 4G battery life issue.
My upgrade was available in MARCH. I waited until JUNE to get the X2 to research and make a proper educated decision, along with my friend Ringo was was an AVID X User, and how much he loved it. I said OMG X + Nvidia = JESUS REINCARNATED AS A PHONE!
Maybe if anything, maybe my post can somehow get a snowball rolling down a hill. Maybe it will or can motivate that bunch of people to come out of the woodworks and say, u know what, this thing really deserves to show what it can do.
If in any way i could help this community, hardware, software, money whatever was to my ability, i would in a heartbeat.. only because i believe in every single user who visits XDA and these forums as users who truly are INTO their devices and only wants the best for the user base.
I prey a year from now, we are all on some great custom rome, running ice Ice Cream Sandwich and saying my god how this almost 2 year old device is still one of the best phones on the market.
I'm with ya Sub, we were probably shopping phones about the same time. When it became clear that the bionic was a ways out I plunked down my cash for the X2. It was a big jump coming from my trusty TP2. I would have to say that my TP2 was the best phone I've had. It was FAR more stable than this thing. My wife is about ready to throw it out the window when it crashes and reboots at night and makes the famous "drooiiid" sound and wakes her up. Coming from winmo it seemed like android was the way to go since WP7 was going to be completely locked down. I have been disappointed to see how weak android is out of the box, and to see that I can't even do a wifi hotspot with this phone (at least without paying).
I do think that there's some light at the end of the tunnel though. I've seen a LOT more marketing for the X2 in the last couple weeks. Yes, they're selling them cheap, and they're doing BOGO, but they're doing the same thing with the Droid3. So I don't think its dumping excess hardware. Hopefully its building user base and with more users they'll fix some of the phones problems. Verizon sent me a trade-in notice offering $100 or more trade in for a bionic, so if I pitched a fit maybe they'd let me in on one of those. I considered it for a short time, but 4G is pointless for me for probably years. And I really do like the docks for the X2, I just wish they weren't so buggy.
I think I'm going to try to hang in there for a while, and hopefully we see some progress. Maybe somebody will even figure out how to get the thing to play an mp3 track without skipping.
Thanks man..
There are 2 people here in the boat with us.. Those that are under contract who HAVE to wait for something new, and those who aren't but love the X2 to stay with it...
I for one wouldn't change it right now as i love the phone, i just want it to succeed where others have failed, and truly take advantage of the hardware we were given.
I still want to know why motorola only put 512M (or 414 whatever) in this thing, which just made ZERO sense to me... With ram being so available, and So cheap, why not toss at least 1GB, or 2GB.. Set it apart.
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I said OMG X + Nvidia = JESUS REINCARNATED AS A PHONE!
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Lol right, the bootloader killed it, and everyone's busy with the 4g's thats what going on, vzw pushing 4g the "thunderbolt" No one cares about a dual core... I mean the d3 is deadish too, Bionic might save it, cuz it has same processor, but moto's dead atm, sh-t battery etc
I have PM jt1134 from the Fascinate forum. An effort to try and get another dev possibly interested in joining minds with others here. He's well respected there but I'm not sure of his interest here, if any. It's worth a shot!
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Lol right, the bootloader killed it, and everyone's busy with the 4g's thats what going on, vzw pushing 4g the "thunderbolt" No one cares about a dual core... I mean the d3 is deadish too, Bionic might save it, cuz it has same processor, but moto's dead atm, sh-t battery etc
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I don't think bionic has Tehran. I believe it is TI omap
And moto is mum on why they didn't use tegra. Is it possible that ia where our buggy music problem resides? Since they don't seem to wanna admit that either
I'm pretty sure the tegra 2 didn't get along with 4g. That's why it was scrapped 9 mos ago.
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I don't think bionic has Tehran. I believe it is TI omap
And moto is mum on why they didn't use tegra. Is it possible that ia where our buggy music problem resides? Since they don't seem to wanna admit that either
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Yeah, d3 has a ti
Honestly I wouldn't worry about this phone fading away man it has a lot going for it. I mean we have Nitro w/ Eclipse and Naven whom is going to uploaded all atrix ports which I am looking forward to (esp alien rom). I know someone is working on getting CM7! We have 2nd init going for us now, and if moto keeps true to it's word an unlocked bootloader soon? As for the switch to TI I think it has something to do w/ the partnership w/ Google. Yes the Bionic has a tad more power under it's belt, but nothing earth shattering imo. The newer blur probably coded better, but I want a full AOSP experience anyways so I'm not too worried about that.
X2 pretty much carries the specs of the Bionic concept I think? The Tegra 2, 512 MB of DDR2, qHD, it just lacks 4G which I could care less about since I have a 100 mbps connection at home. FFC I could care less about either, the 1GB of RAM woulda been nice though. I still love the X2 though it's GREAT as a phone, best in call quality I've experienced in awhile. So don't worry the X2 will have development and will be around for awhile.
I think the responses in this thread give us all reason for future hope, granted its not blowing up XDA, but it still shows i think some true and viable interest here.. It was and is a downer to see lack of new threads, and just overall activity for our beloved X2, hence why i think i created this tread..
Stirr the pot.. Kick the tires.. See if the motor is still runnin or are we about to get sent to the junk pile.
Here is what i would love to happen in a perfect world:
Unlocked Bootloader (DUH)
A myrad of custom roms of all walks and versions of Android
Customization like the old Win Mobile devices
True dual core coding and usage of apps and the os
Freedom to truly take this thing to a new level.
Freedom is the key.. How is it were on an open source device, that is basically closed thx to Motorola.. How can google not be really P.O'd about that?
I believe in this user base, especially those here @ XDA, where honestly the true and best mobile programmers, coders, and customizers seem to come when things are happenin the way it should.
For all the trash people talk about this device, if someone ever cracks the bootloader you know for a fact were gonna have 50 devs and 5000 people jump on this phone overnight
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So last week we witnessed the announcement of Ice Cream Sandwich. The question has been asked multiple times in multiple places, but I want this post to consolidate all of those fragmented questions. So, do you think that our DX2's will get a taste of Ice Cream Sandwich? They are, after all, not even a year old yet, and I doubt that the Tegra 2 processor, with our 512mb of RAM, will not be enough to run ICS. That is, unless Moto bloats and blurs it up to the point of instability. So what do you think? Will we ever see the light of ICS on our phones?
Personally, the optimist in me wants to believe that ICS will come to fruition on our DX2's. The phone is not 5 months old, and if past trends are to be followed (like the Droid X), the phone SHOULD be within the time frame that Moto seems to allocate for updating. Then again, the realist in me says that, due to this phone's rather marginal popularity, we will never see ICS.
There is already a fully active conversation on the subject, this thread is unnecessary man. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1309570
I did read that thread, I thought it deviated a little off point and that it was never intentioned to be a discussion about the probability of the DX2 getting ICS. Just wanted to start a thread that consolidates everything, has a poll, and its purely for the purpose of speculation or discussion about the specific topic. But yea, I apologize if it has been mentioned before, it's not my intention to be superfluous. Sorry again
I put my money on the x2 NOT getting ICS. This phone was the redheaded stepchild of the year. They just put a lot of effort in getting the 2.3.4 build out, so I consider that the x2's swan song.
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I put my money on the x2 NOT getting ICS. This phone was the redheaded stepchild of the year. They just put a lot of effort in getting the 2.3.4 build out, so I consider that the x2's swan song.
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I agree. I've been lurking around the forums for probably a year, only just decided to get involved so I noticed that you got the Droid Bionic to replace your DX2. How do you like it? I'm seriously considering selling my DX2, along with all of my accessories, on Ebay so I can buy a phone that will run ICS. Android Central released an article in which they gave their predictions for ICS, and the Bionic was on the "definite" list, so it seems like a safe bet.
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I agree. I've been lurking around the forums for probably a year, only just decided to get involved so I noticed that you got the Droid Bionic to replace your DX2. How do you like it? I'm seriously considering selling my DX2, along with all of my accessories, on Ebay so I can buy a phone that will run ICS. Android Central released an article in which they gave their predictions for ICS, and the Bionic was on the "definite" list, so it seems like a safe bet.
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I love this phone man - definite upgrade. Makes you forget about the x2 fast, but I stick around cause I love my peeps
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I love this phone man - definite upgrade. Makes you forget about the x2 fast, but I stick around cause I love my peeps
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I was also thinking of getting a bionic for a while but I am waiting. I don't want razr either. I want to try a sammy or htc unless moto drops something soon that blows my mind. The x2 is my first phone in 6 yrs and while I like it a lot I feel like it could be so much more. I don't think I will sell my x2 when I do get another phone tho since I know as soon as I sell it then something big will happen with it.
It would be awesome to see ICS on the x2 but I feel like even tho it will probably run ICS smooth I foresees it being a lot different than what the newer phones will be able to do with ICS. I say this mostly due to how I see bionic and droid3 running the newest best MOTOBLUR but we are left out of that. I think x2's ICS will be a LOT different than the way other phones run it. And maybe that is due to our tegra 2. All the other phones seem to be coming out with OMAP and are running much smoother than our x2 seems to be.
I see what you're saying ash, but I bet if it gets it it's the same. The reason being - ICS was meant to be unskinned for the most part. Google owns moto. They wouldn't go through the trouble of skinning the x2 version and not the bionic or razr - they'd just port it. Easier.
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I see what you're saying ash, but I bet if it gets it it's the same. The reason being - ICS was meant to be unskinned for the most part. Google owns moto. They wouldn't go through the trouble of skinning the x2 version and not the bionic or razr - they'd just port it. Easier.
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I understand
What I meant to say was that it is likely that ICS for the x2(skinned or not) might end up not having all the same features that a bionic/droid3/razr might have. Not that it would be a huge difference . I was trying to compare it in a way. My words got mixed around tho
And the 2 things I see contributing the most to those differences are our processor, and RAM amount being lesser than other dual core devices. I mean it seems already that are tegra 2 is becoming "outdated" fairly quickly each time a new dual core comes out. Imho of course
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I understand
What I meant to say was that it is likely that ICS for the x2(skinned or not) might end up not having all the same features that a bionic/droid3/razr might have. Not that it would be a huge difference . I was trying to compare it in a way. My words got mixed around tho
And the 2 things I see contributing the most to those differences are our processor, and RAM amount being lesser than other dual core devices. I mean it seems already that are tegra 2 is becoming "outdated" fairly quickly each time a new dual core comes out. Imho of course
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I believe that the D3 has the same amount of RAM as the DX2, right? The only fundamental difference is the processor. Oh, and it's a minor thing, but both the D3 and Bionic have front facing cameras, and a lot of ICS's new features (like facial unlock, enhanced google + video chat, etc) rely on the device having a front facing camera. That can play into Motorola's decision too I think.
I don't see the need to speculate, I mean, if something pops up like a FB/Twitter post that says DX2 maybe, DX2 no, or DX2 yes, then you can speculate time frames. Our speculation isn't going to sway their decision, lol. Besides even if it is yes, it will be months down the road, just like 2.2.2 to 2.3.3 on the X1.
Hmm, I wonder if our complaints have registered with Motorola? As of today (after I filed a BBB complaint on Motorola in regards to ICS and unlocked bootloaders), Motorola just tweeted about updates for ICS on Motorola devices.
For the Droid X2, the upgrade status overall has gone from "updated to 2.3.4" to "In Evaluation & Planning. Further details to follow."
Still doesn't mean we get ICS, but it sure is strange that a day after I sent them a tactful but seething email about their lack of updates for the X2, this happens a day later. Probably just coincidence, but maybe not?
Here's the link to the ICS update:
http://www.motorola.com/blog/2012/02/15/update-motorola-ice-cream-sandwich-news/
Here's the list of phones getting ICS by the 3rd quarter of 2012:
DROID BIONIC
DROID RAZR
DROID RAZR MAXX
MOTOROLA RAZR
DROID 4
PHOTON 4G
MOTOROLA ATRIX 4G (AT&T)
ATRIX 2
ELECTRIFY
Droid X2 is not on this list. However, in the following list, you can see where the current status of the X2 has it under evaluation rather than not being evaluated:
https://forums.motorola.com/pages/00add97d6c
if we get ics that means that cm9 could properly be built on top of the kernel and wed finally be able to properly take on our second core (even though cm7, i believe already takes control of it).
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if we get ics that means that cm9 could properly be built on top of the kernel and wed finally be able to properly take on our second core (even though cm7, i believe already takes control of it).
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But, don't hold your breath yet. Right now, with the X2, they are evaluating whether or not it's worth upgrading to ICS. I would NOT be surprised if they come back and say it's not worth it.
But, I guess this is better than not saying anything at all and I understand they have to look over all the other phones and decide whether or not they are worth upgrading to ICS or not based on performance, developer support/knowledge, etc.
I think the only way we will see ICS is if Dragonzkiller gets it ported or another great dev. I do not expect motorola to unlock bootloader or give the x2 ICS. By the time they get around to it the device will be outdated. Another good reason to never buy motorola again!
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There's no way they would have responded your complaint so quickly, but it certainly wont hurt any. I appreciate the determination you've shown, along with that of the thousands of angered customers online. Maybe our voices have finally fallen on understanding ears.
Honestly if they've found it worth their time to update their website and tell us they're considering it, I think we can consider it a strong possibility. It sounds like something a corporation would do to increase the lifespan of a nigh abandoned device.
It's on the list in the same way as it's on the other list as far as I can see.
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There's no way they would have responded your complaint so quickly, but it certainly wont hurt any. I appreciate the determination you've shown, along with that of the thousands of angered customers online. Maybe our voices have finally fallen on understanding ears.
Honestly if they've found it worth their time to update their website and tell us they're considering it, I think we can consider it a strong possibility. It sounds like something a corporation would do to increase the lifespan of a nigh abandoned device.
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Yeah, I knew that, but hey, it's nice to dream once in a while, no? I was hoping maybe my "threat" to go to the BBB in my email yesterday might have had some residual effect? Probably not, but at least, they'd updated the page which has been stale for a long time.
In any case, I still haven't heard back from Moto yet on my latest complaint, but I did warn them I was going to file a complaint with the BBB and I went through with my word and now, the BBB is forwarding my complaint to Motorola.
I would suggest that everyone do the same. It's free and it makes your voices heard, hopefully.
iBolski: Your emails embody my and probably countless others' sentiments. I just thought sending an email myself would just fall on deaf ears. But your BBB idea I think is great. From what I understand, the BBB member (Motorala) MUST respond to all complaints, else their rating gets damaged by "unresolved complaints". Resolving those complaints takes time and money from Motorola, maybe they'll eventually decide that time and money would be better spent satisfying their customers (Unlocked bootloader and ICS). Thanks for your diligence.
One thing I do want to state is, I understand how difficult it is to upgrade existing devices to a completely new OS. I deal with software upgrades at my job as a developer at a major utility company. We have to deal with not only software/OS upgrades, but federal regulatory changes that come up at the last minute and they only give us a few months some times to get those changes implemented or risk being fined during an audit.
So, I completely understand that Motorola has to go into research and planning mode. It's part of the software development life cycle (SDLC) because you can't just go into it and decide to upgrade it.
In our case where I work, we have a ton of VB6 legacy apps that haven't been rewritten in 10+ years, only patched to handle new regulations. Now, we are having to upgrade to Windows 7 because the company held off and stuck with XP, even though many of us were warning them this wasn't a good idea.
Some of the VB6 apps aren't behaving nicely in Windows 7 32-bit and if we wanted to go to 64-bit, VB6 apps won't run at all or run sporadically.
In the case of the Droids, I understand ICS may not run on every platform, so I can see why the X2 might have a longer wait. So, I commend Motorola on updating the information on ICS for the X2 on their web page. It was long overdue. But, even at my company, we are required to give status updates on the progress of upcoming projects and the business units that are curious about them (since it affects them) have a right to know. Not unlike us, the consumers since we purchased their product.
So, it only seems right that we should be getting updates sooner rather than dead silence, like it's been these past few months.
In any case, I'm not giving up. I'm going to keep pushing until they give me an answer. I'll wait and see what my BBB complaint results in, but I do want to urge others to do the same. Remember, be civil with them, but stern and don't back down on anything but a sufficient answer. Anything vague, such as "I can't speak to that" should have a retort stating "then give me the contact information for someone who can".
Remember, you can't make things happen by just sitting idly by and expecting it to happen by itself. That's how I was at first, and then I decided I had had enough and was going to take a stand. It may not pan out to what we want in the end, but at least if you try, you know you made the effort and it might change how other companies treat their customers.
the thing that drives me flipping insane is that the ATRIX is in development for ics right? and I thought the only difference between us and then is another 512mb ram...so that would be very messed up if they get ics but we don't. just sayin.../end rant
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the thing that drives me flipping insane is that the ATRIX is in development for ics right? and I thought the only difference between us and then is another 512mb ram...so that would be very messed up if they get ics but we don't. just sayin.../end rant
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I agree. I noticed that all the phones that are slated to get ICS all have 1gb of main memory as opposed to our 512mb of memory.
google now owns motorola so thats one reason alot of none ics phones have a evaluation coming up which means most likely will get ics and possibly unlocked bootloaders
Well, almost. I believe they're still waiting on Israel and China to sign off.
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I agree. I noticed that all the phones that are slated to get ICS all have 1gb of main memory as opposed to our 512mb of memory.
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I can't wait til the day comes when we can open up our phones and pop in some extra ram boards/chips like u can on a computer/laptop.
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I can't wait til the day comes when we can open up our phones and pop in some extra ram boards/chips like u can on a computer/laptop.
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I think we're a lot closer to the day where we can no longer open up our computers/laptops and pop in new chips/extra RAM. Just look at the RAZR and G.Nexus...no SD expansion for either, can't even replace the battery in the former.
That was one of the great things about Android phones - but apparently Apple showed the industry how to make another $ and consumers lose again.
Atrix 4G is getting ICS in Q3 of 2012. We can only expect ICS on the X2 (if at all) latest by Q3. By that time we will most probably have CM9 for a good 3-5 months and I will totally give up on ICS from Motorola, with their god awful blur crap on it. And by that time Google will release jellybean and we all will be crying for CM10 and that. Or I might be on the verge of moving onto my next phone.
So thank you Motorola for rolling the updates soooo damn late that no one gives a f*&k.
Seriously, Atrix 4G gets ICS in Q3!??? That is nearly a year late!!! No wonder apple fanboys are laughing their asses off when they get their updates the very day they are released and we have to wait for a year! Pathetic!
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Anyone else think it's unbelievable that the Razr is in "evaluation and planning" ????
Moto is such a joke it's not even funny. I can't believe the Razr is their answer to the Gnex.
I'll never buy another Motorola product.
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I think we're a lot closer to the day where we can no longer open up our computers/laptops and pop in new chips/extra RAM. Just look at the RAZR and G.Nexus...no SD expansion for either, can't even replace the battery in the former.
That was one of the great things about Android phones - but apparently Apple showed the industry how to make another $ and consumers lose again.
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Agreed. Look at Macs, with their soldered in HDDs, RAM, batteries. PCs are heading that direction, too. These tech companies love that their thousand dollar products go obsolete in two years.
Well at least their doing something with all these phones, if not ICS how about more GB updates to fix everything thats still broken? Wheres that 2.3.5 magically gone to...
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I think we're a lot closer to the day where we can no longer open up our computers/laptops and pop in new chips/extra RAM. Just look at the RAZR and G.Nexus...no SD expansion for either, can't even replace the battery in the former.
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im not so sure bout that lol
I think the reason for no sdcard tho is cause do ya REALLY NEED more memory when ya got 32gb internal already?(even 16 is a lot ..if u using ALL that then u need to either delete some pics/vids or upload em to a computer or cloud storage.) lol
and I would think that would also make the system. more "efficient" somehow if it doesn't have to go through the process(es) of having to mount external memory and read/write data from/to it...
then again.. I don't know enough about how the system really works to know what the benefit of not having an external sdcard mount really does for performance lol...i am just talking outta my ass...don't.mind me lol
and also, why do u say its getting closer to not being able to open computer and add chips/ram/cards etc...? I just can't see that happening unless companies don't like making money from people who like to upgrade components of their computers to improve it lol.. unless they make it so that those things are useless or unnecessary (make them obsolete somehow)
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Well at least their doing something with all these phones, if not ICS how about more GB updates to fix everything thats still broken? Wheres that 2.3.5 magically gone to...
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maybe they'll skip 2.3.5 and give us 2.3.6 like the charge has....lol....durp...
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litetaker said:
Atrix 4G is getting ICS in Q3 of 2012. We can only expect ICS on the X2 (if at all) latest by Q3. By that time we will most probably have CM9 for a good 3-5 months and I will totally give up on ICS from Motorola, with their god awful blur crap on it. And by that time Google will release jellybean and we all will be crying for CM10 and that. Or I might be on the verge of moving onto my next phone.
So thank you Motorola for rolling the updates soooo damn late that no one gives a f*&k.
Seriously, Atrix 4G gets ICS in Q3!??? That is nearly a year late!!! No wonder apple fanboys are laughing their asses off when they get their updates the very day they are released and we have to wait for a year! Pathetic!
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speaking of their blur crap, a little birdie told me that the ics leak on the RAZR actually was pretty decent, that it had a VERY vanilla feel to it, but im wondering if that is just because they didn't finish skinning it yet....dunno....bla bla bla
I hope I'm wrong, and early in my dismay. And there may well be an announcement in the next few days that we will be getting a major update, but I'm feeling a little shafted by HTC.
<Edit: Fine, I didn't watch specs close at all, the S isn't the Rezound, and the X has some shortfalls as well. The argument still stands, poor marketing lead to poor adoption, and the end result *may* mean we have another few months with our not-quite-perfected Sense 3.6 leak.>
The ineptitude of the marketing campaign for the Rezound was epic, we can all agree I'm sure. But as a result, I feel like we are looking at a fall release for an official Sense 4/ ICS build. It probably makes little difference since we have a team working here that will bring the One S software over for us (assuming my assumptions on hardware are correct), but damn, it still irks me given the promises from HTC over the holidays that the Rezound would be getting the updates "early 2012."
I'm a 2 phone household with 2 HTCs. I'll get flamed for this, but if I watch them release these next two phones and then a couple more before they get to us, then I'm probably done with them. I appreciated them admitting that their late 2011 lineup kinda sucked (I love the Rezound, but we all have an issue or two, I know), and I appreciate that they need to fix it. But breaking one off in their most recent customers who bought into the next major release 120-ish days after the release, really?
I'll be happy to eat crow if they hook us up this week, but I got a bad feeling about this!!
I hate to rant, but this is pretty much the only group of people who could possibly understand.
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I hope I'm wrong, and early in my dismay. And there may well be an announcement in the next few days that we will be getting a major update, but I'm feeling a little shafted by HTC.
The One S, at least from the specs I've seen, looks A LOT like the Rezound. I didn't compare specs super closely, but I have a hunch they have the same processor and screen; meaning there is ultimately nothing different but some girth and the name.
The ineptitude of the marketing campaign for the Rezound was epic, we can all agree I'm sure. But as a result, I feel like we are looking at a fall release for an official Sense 4/ ICS build. It probably makes little difference since we have a team working here that will bring the One S software over for us (assuming my assumptions on hardware are correct), but damn, it still irks me given the promises from HTC over the holidays that the Rezound would be getting the updates "early 2012."
I'm a 2 phone household with 2 HTCs. I'll get flamed for this, but if I watch them release these next two phones and then a couple more before they get to us, then I'm probably done with them. I appreciated them admitting that their late 2011 lineup kinda sucked (I love the Rezound, but we all have an issue or two, I know), and I appreciate that they need to fix it. But breaking one off in their most recent customers who bought into the next major release 120-ish days after the release, really?
I'll be happy to eat crow if they hook us up this week, but I got a bad feeling about this!!
I hate to rant, but this is pretty much the only group of people who could possibly understand.
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It's a different SOC and screen resolution. It's pretty much a totally different phone.
You should look at the specs. The One S is not the rezound, it has a qHD 960x540 super amoled display (with pentile) while the Rezound is HD 1280x720. That's the first difference that popped out to me when reading about the One S. The One series also do not have a removable battery or microsd expansion.
tekhna said:
It's a different SOC and screen resolution. It's pretty much a totally different phone.
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Well, between reading articles on the X and the S, I guess I've combined them in my head that works for my argument. Still doesn't change it... I'll be an unhappy dude at the end of the week if I don't have a hard date for the upgrade!
a-jive said:
Well, between reading articles on the X and the S, I guess I've combined them in my head that works for my argument. Still doesn't change it... I'll be an unhappy dude at the end of the week if I don't have a hard date for the upgrade!
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It's par for the course. The real advantage of HTC building less hardware is they have less software to build, which means updates should be much easier.
This is an issue you will run into with any phone manufacturer, nexus devices excluded. I have owned HTC and Samsung devices, and read numerous forums and updates, or lack there of, seems to be heavily discussed for all devices.
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It's par for the course. The real advantage of HTC building less hardware is they have less software to build, which means updates should be much easier.
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I think that's part of the underlying issue for me. Not 8 weeks ago they were promising flagship quality and hype. This next release looks like classic HTC, pump out new models that address issues from the last batch, but create a whole bunch of new issues 'cause they are trying to be on the bleading edge.
All that, but I'm probably just jealous of the X. Looks pretty hot, really
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The One S, at least from the specs I've seen, looks A LOT like the Rezound. I didn't compare specs super closely, but I have a hunch they have the same processor and screen; meaning there is ultimately nothing different but some girth and the name.
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If, by "nothing different," you mean to ignore the lower resolution screen (960 x 540), non-removable battery, lack of SD card slot, and lack of both CDMA and LTE, you're right.
Dalamar1320 said:
This is an issue you will run into with any phone manufacturer, nexus devices excluded. I have owned HTC and Samsung devices, and read numerous forums and updates, or lack there of, seems to be heavily discussed for all devices.
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Haha, I know. Hate to be the first to lose my composure on the issue... but it's been eating at me all day. A couple beers and cruising through some articles got me to the breaking point!
You think HTC is taking forever for the update, imagine owning a Samsung or Motorola phone.
And to be honest. I would rather have a cm9/ pure aosp build of ICS on the rezound then a senseafied ICS.
I know not everyone feels that way, but I have always been an AOSP kinda Guy, and had the GNEX not sucked balls I'd probably still have it.
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It's how Android goes.. Thanks to the fragmentation of the market you should always expect slow updates (shy of the Nexus). I'm pretty sure we'll get 4.0 before the 3.6 w/ 4.0.3 is officially released to us. I myself am hoping for the data/calls/text in the CM 9 thread to be fixed. Android will always be slow on updates, period, end of story. It's why we root/unlock our phones in hopes of obtaining updates fatser than they are provided. Inb4 Android update speed gets compared to iOS update speed and W7.
Just wait till we get a dump of the Inc3
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don't feel jaded at all. None of those phones have been slated to be released on verizon and only the x has somewhat better specs. The rezound will get ICS, probably before any moto or samsung phones.
I would be upset if I had a Razr, then they release the maxx 2 months later, or if I had the Bionic and the Razr came out a couple of months later.
Seriously, if it bothers you that much, you should stick to nexus phones.
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I would be upset if I had a Razr, then they release the maxx 2 months later, .
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No kidding.
There where people on one of the Razr sites that where absolutely LIVID about that one.......(can't say I blame them)
I just upgraded this weekend. I thought a physical keyboard would be great, so I picked up a Droid 4. Needless to say, I didn't own it for more than 28 hours before I returned it, and picked up a Rezound.
At the end of the day, having the ability to HTC unlock and with the cult-following this phone seems to have found, I think we're going to have a solid amount of success, with or without "official" help from HTC. I somewhat hope you have to eat crow though if I'm being honest
Also keep in mind, i have not seen one announcement of a phone so far (at least major brand that we care about) that seems to be heading to VZ. None of the HTC phones were announced with CDMA (and the LTE radios are the wrong channel for us), and while it could change (no doubt will eventually), so far, we still have the best HTC VZ phone...
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Also keep in mind, i have not seen one announcement of a phone so far (at least major brand that we care about) that seems to be heading to VZ. None of the HTC phones were announced with CDMA (and the LTE radios are the wrong channel for us), and while it could change (no doubt will eventually), so far, we still have the best HTC VZ phone...
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As far as I'm concerned HTC doesn't even need to compile ICS, just hand over the ICS hardware binary for the Rezound and all will be well. I'd compile my own ICS if they'd just do us that one favor.
I'm coming from a Galaxy S on Sprint, now Rezound on VZW. It's funny, there are posts in every forum for every phone where people think their phone's manufacturer is the absolute worst in getting OS updates out. Samsung people think Samsung is the worst, Motorola people think Motorola is the worst, etc. As someone else said, as long as manufacturers and carriers are both involved in the process of getting OS updates out, it's always going to suck. That's the main reason to get Nexus device, but personally I'd rather have the Rezound. Honestly I'm just happy that HTC is at least acknowledging that an update for the Rezound is coming - Samsung is notorious for not giving out any information at all.
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I hope I'm wrong, and early in my dismay. And there may well be an announcement in the next few days that we will be getting a major update, but I'm feeling a little shafted by HTC.
<Edit: Fine, I didn't watch specs close at all, the S isn't the Rezound, and the X has some shortfalls as well. The argument still stands, poor marketing lead to poor adoption, and the end result *may* mean we have another few months with our not-quite-perfected Sense 3.6 leak.>
The ineptitude of the marketing campaign for the Rezound was epic, we can all agree I'm sure. But as a result, I feel like we are looking at a fall release for an official Sense 4/ ICS build. It probably makes little difference since we have a team working here that will bring the One S software over for us (assuming my assumptions on hardware are correct), but damn, it still irks me given the promises from HTC over the holidays that the Rezound would be getting the updates "early 2012."
I'm a 2 phone household with 2 HTCs. I'll get flamed for this, but if I watch them release these next two phones and then a couple more before they get to us, then I'm probably done with them. I appreciated them admitting that their late 2011 lineup kinda sucked (I love the Rezound, but we all have an issue or two, I know), and I appreciate that they need to fix it. But breaking one off in their most recent customers who bought into the next major release 120-ish days after the release, really?
I'll be happy to eat crow if they hook us up this week, but I got a bad feeling about this!!
I hate to rant, but this is pretty much the only group of people who could possibly understand.
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I agree, no question. This debacle has turned me off to HTC's pathetic customer relations and I doubt I'll buy another HTC device.
MrSmith317 said:
As far as I'm concerned HTC doesn't even need to compile ICS, just hand over the ICS hardware binary for the Rezound and all will be well. I'd compile my own ICS if they'd just do us that one favor.
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True that. We, the power users, are really the only ones who take much notice to this issue. Its very easy to keep us happy... And they get free software development from the deal as well!