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i am schocked to see this....does x10 has front facing camera????
the page here confirms it....... OMG
http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dERiNkdJY2pBQnQxWF9sYUpTcGo0S3c6MA
the page here is talking about fring with video calls.....can any one confirm this..
You had better ask McKebapp, he has pulled his X10 apart
But I doubt it.....
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Noooooooooooo!
No, there is no front camera!! No No No!
but the other 2 devices has front cameras........and i dont understand y this device is added to it.......
X10 has just one cam! I've tried and frings uses that...so no front camera!
i will get back my x10 tomorrow....will test it and confirm.......
i hope its true and i should be the first one to tell u all
i have got an email from early access team of fring with a test fring apk.....
i dont have the phone with me right now....tomorrow evening i will test it when i get my phone back.....
Hello,
I’m glad to introduce: fring 2.1.0.17 for Android.
Before you install the attached version, please uninstall the current one and wait 2-3 minutes before you connect again.
This version includes the following features:
- Video Calls for more Android devices (Sony Ericsson X10, Dell Streak).
- fring should be running smoother on Froyo.
- Some other improvements.
We'll be glad to get your impressions, comments, suggestions, bug reports etc.
Thanks,
Tom
Early-Access team @fring.
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I've tested it. I can confirm no front camera. Just uses the main camera, which is kinda useless.
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No Guys, I'm sorry...
There is no front cam installed.
Seach for my "Upskirt Shots" Thread.
If you find a frontcam, please post the lottery numbers for coming Saturday
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_shakira_makes_a_debut_a_new_xperia_x10_offshoot-news-1715.php
i m also confusing with this. arent we all knew that x10 have no front camera since they first day published?
I saw a video by CoolSmartPhone.com on youtube with a white x19 with a front facing camera. S o n y Ericsson Xperia X10 - The on-screen keyboard and dialing
A lot of salespeople saw the proximity sensor and assumed it was a cam... I think that's where this rumor started
there is no front camera....
i have tried using video chat apps which use front camera..they said no front camera detected.
maybe the latest fring version lets u use main camera.
i dont miss it though..
my bro has iphone4 ..he keeps facetiming with his GF...
Facetime is lame. What's the point if you can't make 3g video calls? If you're at home might as well use your laptop/desktop that has a better screen + better quality
so, this is?
Hanzo.Hasashi said:
so, this is?
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Proximity sensor..
That explains it..no front cam then :-(
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Front Camera
There are X10 knock-offs floating around on Madeinchina.com (from the site just do a search on X10 and you'll see exactly what i'm talking about)
Many of these knock-off's have dual sim card slots, front and rear facing camera's, radio, even built in television.
However I can't confirm if any of them are using the Android OS. Its possible that where ever this confirmation came from originally - that the person was using one of these knock-offs.
Also to note - the camera resolution on these knock-offs are considerably lower than the true X10. Usually about 4mps for the rear camera, and 1.5mps for the front facing.
Screen size is usually a bit smaller. And I would imagine the resolution of the screen wouldn't be HD.
I have though made my decision. The next cellphone I buy will probably be an android based knock-off. Why? If I'm not going to get support from the manufacture anyways what the heck is the point in paying the high price. When I say support I mean continued updates and upgrades. All the work is now being done by the public - not the manufacture. I'd rather save the money by not buying the name brand, and donating to the developers who make this stuff work.
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Proximity sensor..
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Out of curiosity, on the X10 what does the Proximity sensor do?
I have the message LED's that light up, that I noticed. The blue LED for facebook messages. is this a different LED to indicate something else?
I need to recommend a phone to my 20 year old cousin sister. I had recommended Ace but its low RAM puts me off. All the Sony phones S15, S17 and W17 are having similar price. Would you recommend these over Ace? Which one?
I have to put a stable ROM for her and she will not be messing with such things. She needs good music, facebook and playing games like Angry Birds.
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I need to recommend a phone to my 20 year old cousin sister. I had recommended Ace but its low RAM puts me off. All the Sony phones S15, S17 and W17 are having similar price. Would you recommend these over Ace? Which one?
I have to put a stable ROM for her and she will not be messing with such things. She needs good music, facebook and playing games like Angry Birds.
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Its all depend on how she is.
sk17 (mini pro) have hw keyboard and front camera, w17 and st17 doesnt have both of it.
But, st17 have dust and water resistant but since your cousin is 'SHE', then i dont thnik that features is a big plus for her (except if she is the type of active and doing a lot of outdoor activities).
I would recommend sk17 (mini pro) (if she doesnt care on how thick and thin it is for all the additional features it has)
I would recommend wt17 (active) if she doing a lot of outdoor activities and would like to have some devices that can stand some heavy situation and doesnt care about having hw keyboard for fast typing and front camera for skype etc.
for wt19 (live) ,all are the same with sk17 (mini pro) and st15 (mini) (cpu, ram, gpu etc) but it has slightly larger screen but with lower density. However, the overall design of it might catch her attention.
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Its all depend on how she is.
sk17 (mini pro) have hw keyboard and front camera, w17 and st17 doesnt have both of it.
But, st17 have dust and water resistant but since your cousin is 'SHE', then i dont thnik that features is a big plus for her (except if she is the type of active and doing a lot of outdoor activities).
I would recommend sk17 (if she doesnt care on how thick and thin it is for all the additional features it has)
I would recommend st17 if she doing a lot of outdoor activities and would like to have some devices that can stand some heavy situation and doesnt care about having hw keyboard for fast typing and front camera for skype etc.
for w17,all are the same with sk and st17 (cpu, ram, gpu etc) but it has slightly larger screen but with lower density. However, the overall design of it might catch her attention.
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WT19i/a has got front camera
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I think the Xperia Ray is the best for a girl, thin, beautyful with a high resolution screen, and there's also the pink one
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WT19i/a has got front camera
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Ermmm.. i think i give out the correct info tho. Maybe you misread what i posted. We are talking about wt17 (xperia active) not xperia live with walkman a.k.a wt19
EDIT: oppss.. i DID mistype in above post. not st17, its wt17 LOL Has been too long in front of computer..
Ask your sis if there are any features or apps that she really wants because there are a couple of major differences between the Ace and the SE phones - most notably, the later Xperias are already running Android Gingerbread and will soon be updated to Ice Cream Sandwich (the latest version of Android) and they support Flash - which the Ace doesn't. In case you don't know, without Flash she will be unable to use a lot of really good sites and content - such as online TV. It is possible to hack the Ace to use an older version of Flash but it's not very good and certainly not good enough for anything like watching TV.
The Ace is a decent iphone-look-a-like - the SE phones don't copy that styling. That's a plus-point for me - I love the SK17i for being different from everyone else's phone.
The Ace has a good sized screen - but the resolution is no greater and it's not a particularly good quality screen - TFT and sometimes a bit lacking in contrast and image quality. The SE phones have superb picture quality but the smaller screens (like the mini and mini pro) may be off putting for some people.
I had a Sammy and the Xperia Mini Pro in quick succession (cos the Samsung packed in after less than a week) and they are both good but the Xperia is a much better phone for the money - looks good, sounds great, superb processor (matches many dual-core in real-world use), terrific picture quality, solid build, excellent ongoing support from SE, full Flash support, ICS on the way.
Going to Android market highlighted the additional features of the SE phones - very few apps say "not suitable for your phone" with the SE thanks to the Flash support and fast processor.
The only major criticism I have of the Xperias is that the cameras are terrible - either through hardware or software, they take all-but unusable pictures considering the claimed resolution - massively over-processed and appallingly low quality in anything other than bright light. Some people have reported sound interference when recording videos on some Xperias - that has supposedly been cured on newer phones but might be worth reading around if video recording is important to your sister.
SE's user forums are very good - plenty of input from SE themselves. Also, they are well laid out and easy to use. Samsung's are a bit of a mess - hard to find anything. SE's product pages are also very good - plenty of genuinely useful information and videos to help you find your way around the phone - Samsung's site is more like a big advert with little practical detail or advice.
One other possible negative for the SE phones - depending on your situation. SE use non-standard headphone sockets which annoys some people. They are usually fine with normal headphones but won't always work with headsets that have built-in microphones.
Basic apps on both Samsung and SE are decent. Both include some junk but I'd say that SE have less garbage that can't be removed (though that may vary of you buy from a service provider). Overall though, since these are android phones, it's so easy to add apps that it's not a big deal.
SE's support software is miles better than Samsungs. Samsung's software is bug-ridden and unstable - SE's is easy to use and reliable offering some nice features like the ability to quickly re-install the same software if the phone play up or is getting sluggish.
I really liked the main screen layout on the Samsung - I'm not so keen on the SE screen with those corners (really just folders that you are forced to use if you don't want to lose real-estate - I wish there was a simple way to switch them off). Even so, it's easy to install and use GO or one of the other launchers to get around any such niggles.
The Samsungs have one feature I really miss - proper controls in the pull-down menu to directly switch features like wi-fi without going into menus. There are a few apps available for the SE's to mimic that but they mostly just provide a shortcut to the menus so are nowhere near as useful.
Samsung's task manager is easy to use. SE don't really have but they claim that their software handles memory so well that the user doesn't need to do it manually.
Samsungs DNLA support is excellent and simple thanks to their ready-made applications - just install "All Share" on your PC and it's all but automatic. SE phones take more work to get anywhere near that stage.
There seems to be a lot more happening with the Samsungs when it comes to custom roms and mods. That may attract some people - others may see it as evidence that more SE owners are happy with the phone as it is. To me, it seems to be largely down to the fact that the SE's already have the later version of Android making many of the tweaks unneccesary. Also, just based on reading through the XDA forums, it appears that it is easier to recover the SE phones if something goes wrong when tweaking - a hell of a lot of people are bricking their Samsungs because it's all too easy to lose the imei data when tinkering with them. On the SE phones, most phones are "cured" simply by using the SE support software to reflash the phone (probably not a big deal for your sister but nice to know that it's so easy to repair a corrupted phone if something goes wrong)
Last point - the males who have seen my Mini Pro think it looks odd because they all have iphone-clones and no imagination - the girls all love it for the size and looks (I'm talking the phone )
@pengipete, thanks for the detailed answer. It seems worth to buy the SE over Samsung.
Now the last question is which model to select, ST15, SK17 or WT19. I am inclined to tell her to buy the Walkman phone.
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i would recommend SK17i, because it looks cute with slideout-keyboard equipped.. and it suitable for girl
Any of those will give her a good quality phone which will not be out-dated too quickly. The Mini is great for being so small, the Mini Pro has the physical keyboard (which is very usable and a major plus-point on such a small phone) and the Walkman looks good and has the better quality speakers.
Best advice I'd give - if the prices are pretty similar or price is irrelevant - ask her which she likes knowing that any of them will be a good phone. It's really just down to looks and her personal taste.
My own preference is the Mini Pro but the world would be a boring place if we all liked the same thing.
You really won't need to do much about the ROM - SE seem to be turning out very stable, usable roms already. Just sort her out a few decent apps and budget for a decent sized SD card if she's going to want to store a lot of music.
Best of luck - and I hope she appreciates you looking after her like this
Sony is the only Android phone brand I haven't tried yet, but I'm ready to jump as I like how Sony unlocks bootloader and updates their phones and I like their camera sensors.
I do have a few questions which couldn't be addressed after my visits to pdadb.net and sony's own web-site which hopefully current Xperia P owners can clarify for me, so in no apparent order:
1. Does Xperia P use the sim or the micro-sim?
2. Does the FM radio work on any of the leaked ICS builds for Xperia P?
3. Is the Sony's camera app same as the stock android app or does it make use of the sensor features allowing me to shoot HDR photos and maybe more?
4. How bright is the charging/notification light at night (I've read the topic it can be disabled, but I'm wondering how bright it is if I left it on)?
5. Has anyone been able to link to GLONASS satellites with the built-in chip? I've found contradicting reports that Xperia P chip should support GLONASS, but I'd like to be sure.
6. Do the Sony's own GB/ICS roms include UI in all languages or are they limited by the region?
7. Is the Sony "scratch-resistant" glass actually a Gorilla glass?
8. Is the Sony bloatware in any way useful if you haven't used the Sony media services before and have no intention of paying for them?
Thanks!
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Sony is the only Android phone brand I haven't tried yet, but I'm ready to jump as I like how Sony unlocks bootloader and updates their phones and I like their camera sensors.
I do have a few questions which couldn't be addressed after my visits to pdadb.net and sony's own web-site which hopefully current Xperia P owners can clarify for me, so in no apparent order:
1. Does Xperia P use the sim or the micro-sim?
2. Does the FM radio work on any of the leaked ICS builds for Xperia P?
3. Is the Sony's camera app same as the stock android app or does it make use of the sensor features allowing me to shoot HDR photos and maybe more?
4. How bright is the charging/notification light at night (I've read the topic it can be disabled, but I'm wondering how bright it is if I left it on)?
5. Has anyone been able to link to GLONASS satellites with the built-in chip? I've found contradicting reports that Xperia P chip should support GLONASS, but I'd like to be sure.
6. Do the Sony's own GB/ICS roms include UI in all languages or are they limited by the region?
7. Is the Sony "scratch-resistant" glass actually a Gorilla glass?
8. Is the Sony bloatware in any way useful if you haven't used the Sony media services before and have no intention of paying for them?
Thanks!
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1) MicroSIM
2) What leaked ICS builds? If you can link me to it please.
3) It has more features, but no HDR
4) After my HTC Desire (that could light up half the room), the Xperia S doesn't bother me at all. Since to be the same LEDs, so it should be fine.
5) Not sure on that, it's an ST-Ericsson U8500, check the specs
6) All LTR languages, like any Android builds
7) No, but it's good enough for me not to care
8) The non uninstallable part is quite useful if you like Sony stuff like Timescape
Thanks for replies.
2 -- I thought there would have been leaks for Xperia P ICS by now, I must have been mistaken.
5 -- Thanks for letting me know the exact chip, but still it says that support for GLONASS *can* be enabled, doesn't say if Sony has actually implemented it. I guess I'll find out sooner or later.
OK, I have two more questions.
9. Warranty page at Sony's web-site says that I need to bring it to the service centre in the country of purchase and the phone must have been purchased from the authorized reseller. I intend to get the phone on ebay as it's cheapest and 4-6 months a year I spend almost half the world away from where I live. Has anyone had an incident where they needed to get the phone fixed outside of country of purchase?
10. I've read online that the 1080p video made by the Xperia P camera is actually upscaled 720p video which is bumming me out as a kick-ass camera a must have for me. If anyone can provide me with the links where I can read up more on the Xperia P video shooting I'd be grateful.
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Thanks for replies.
2 -- I thought there would have been leaks for Xperia P ICS by now, I must have been mistaken.
5 -- Thanks for letting me know the exact chip, but still it says that support for GLONASS *can* be enabled, doesn't say if Sony has actually implemented it. I guess I'll find out sooner or later.
OK, I have two more questions.
9. Warranty page at Sony's web-site says that I need to bring it to the service centre in the country of purchase and the phone must have been purchased from the authorized reseller. I intend to get the phone on ebay as it's cheapest and 4-6 months a year I spend almost half the world away from where I live. Has anyone had an incident where they needed to get the phone fixed outside of country of purchase?
10. I've read online that the 1080p video made by the Xperia P camera is actually upscaled 720p video which is bumming me out as a kick-ass camera a must have for me. If anyone can provide me with the links where I can read up more on the Xperia P video shooting I'd be grateful.
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5 - from my quick look it seems to be on
9 - that's the standard warranty claim, not much you can do about it
10 - not sure about that, but seems unlikely
10 -- well, some swedish web-site claimed that and they posted a video on youtube. I don't have an eye to tell upscaled 720p video from the true 1080p, so I'm not sure.
I do have a question about the camera tho. I've been reading comparison between the Xperia S and SGSIII cameras and while the Sammy has the HDR setting in the camera app, the Sony doesn't. The images taken by Sony phone were much more vivid and colourful: http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-S-III-vs-Sony-Xperia-S_id3048/page/3
Is that maybe because they use some sort of the HDR equivalent all the time?
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10 -- well, some swedish web-site claimed that and they posted a video on youtube. I don't have an eye to tell upscaled 720p video from the true 1080p, so I'm not sure.
I do have a question about the camera tho. I've been reading comparison between the Xperia S and SGSIII cameras and while the Sammy has the HDR setting in the camera app, the Sony doesn't. The images taken by Sony phone were much more vivid and colourful: http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-S-III-vs-Sony-Xperia-S_id3048/page/3
Is that maybe because they use some sort of the HDR equivalent all the time?
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Probably because Samsung can't make good cameras.
Hi all!
First of all I wish to thanks in advance for any of you who may stop by, and provide some tips, experience
regarding the next matter, advice request:
My context is that I am completely noob regarding choosing android phone.
I want to get my first one, but a low budget, and I thought about Sony Xperia Tipo, cause it uses Android ICS,
and its hardware specs are some better than comparing to others of similar budget as LG Optimus L3, Samsung Galaxy Mini
( phonearena.com/phones/compare/LG-Optimus-L3,Samsung-GALAXY-mini,Sony-Xperia-tipo/phones/6941,5147,7151 )
I already discarded going for Vodafone Smart II, cause after reading its thread in XDA (around 30 pages), despite it was posible
to be rooted at first, in 1 month the new versions have been capped by cel companies (the recovery, the fastboot etc), at least for Spain, Portugal versions, therefore the customization is getting quite impossible, or very random depending the version, the cel company, ...
I think the main problem it is that this Xperia Tipo has been released quite very recently,
and after been searching through forum about info for rooting the Xperia Tipo, I can't find any info about it :S.
So my 2 questions are:
- it is expected that Xperia Tipo will be rooted in a near future ( and therefore customizable with
ROMs ...) ?
- Taking in count any answer to this question, would you suggest to go for it,
or by other hand go for Samsung Galaxy Mini (despite it has worse HW, Android GingerBread,
BUT it has quite plenty support for rooting and flashing with custom ROMs) ?
Again thanks in advance for any advice, and excuse the long post! )
Cheers!
ive used this phone after recomending it for someone else. Its a great cheap ICS phone dont expect it to be really fast or to play excellant games but it is really good for the price under £100!!!. would i recomend it to someone else after using it YES!!!! just remember to clear the apps your not using from the RAM by pressing the Home key and holding it and swiping it to close it so it doesnt get laggy.
as for root im not a dev but im safley sure it will be rooted in the future as its got a SD card slot so its easier to install CWM recovery etc.
BUT it is new out and dont expect it to happen any time soon i have the Xperia U and thats been out ages now and i still dont have root it just takes time for the devs to get the phones and then to start work on them.
hope it helped
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ive used this phone after recomending it for someone else. Its a great cheap ICS phone dont expect it to be really fast or to play excellant games but it is really good for the price under £100!!!. would i recomend it to someone else after using it YES!!!! just remember to clear the apps your not using from the RAM by pressing the Home key and holding it and swiping it to close it so it doesnt get laggy.
as for root im not a dev but im safley sure it will be rooted in the future as its got a SD card slot so its easier to install CWM recovery etc.
BUT it is new out and dont expect it to happen any time soon i have the Xperia U and thats been out ages now and i still dont have root it just takes time for the devs to get the phones and then to start work on them.
hope it helped
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Thanks for the tip!
Being cheap phone is ok, in fact that is what I seek for, a low budget phone as a start point, looking for customization.
Well, I could get that Xperia Tipo for £48, while the Samsung Galaxy Mini would cost £32. HW (CPU, inbuilt mem, display res) difference and phone release date diff, explain the price difference, hehe.
I was tempted to get Vodafone Smart II (for £48, I think), but atfer reading this whole thread forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1722811 , I found that it is a lottery, if I could get it rooted or not :S
My main doubt is if going for Samsung Galaxy Mini cause its great support in matters of rooting and customization, or expect that Xperia Tipo will get some nice support here in XDA, in the future ...
A third choice could be LG Optimus L3 which has worse display res, same price as Xperia Tipo, and it has some support here at forum for rooting and ROMs.
Regarding your Xperia U, I think there is quite nice support in this site, forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1728 , so you mention you still having probs to root it ?
I have just returned my Tipo today due to very poor reception. If you just want a phone to make calls and send texts then it should be more than adequate but if you are going to use it for browsing or games I would find something with a stronger processor as it can be very laggy after using it a while - even in menus. However the touchscreen is responsive and the display should be OK for making calls and texting but I found it very washed out when viewing pics etc. On my particular handset I could hear electrical interference through the headphones but this could be related to my reception fault I guess. If you can I advise you try it out before making a decision - if ur in the UK o2 shops usually have all there the phones on display switched on. If music is important to you the sound quality is very budget. Also the camera has no flash or autofocus. Tbh if it wasn't for the Sony xperia branding on the front I would have though this was a cheap chinese no-name handset as Sony really have cut costs on this one.
I can't comment on the Samsung but I have read bad things about the lg. Have you considered the Motosmart from Motorola. It has a similar spec to the tipo but at least the camera has a flash and its root able (running gingerbread)
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I bought this phone a week ago. It's very nice for the price!. It isn't laggy, It has plenty of ram. Obviously it isn't so fast as would be needed for a device to play games,and doesn't have a big screen (or an hires one) if you have to surf the web a lot, but handles with no problems at all divx streaming from my pc, using mx-player. It's clearly better than vodafone smart_II and my device hasn't reception problems at all. The battery (this is a good point in my opinion) it's 1500mah just better than the usual 1200mah used in low-end devices
The camera can make decent photos but hasn't flash or aufocus at all & no front camera just like all the cheap phones.
BTW i think it's one of the best ICS devices avaiable here in Italy for about 150€.
I tried samsung galaxy mini too and this experia is a lot better in my opninion.
I have been using the mobile for more than a month... It's perfect .. Go for it... It is the best in the range... I do use it a lot and it has held up against everything... Custom ROM will be available veeeeeeeeeeeery soon... It is already rooted...
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[help] firmware flash
my boot loader is unlocked and my device is stuck at boot with single vibration .
i need to install firmware but its get aborted everytime with an error
ERROR - ERR_SEVERITY="MAJOR";ERR_CODE="0019";ERR_DYNAMIC=" SIN header verification failed";
please help
Hi guys,
This new android phone " Turing Phone" news has been going around.
It is said to be unhackable, waterproof and unbreakable. (sounds like an ultimate phone to me)
The pre-order starts on July 31st for $610 (16GB), $740 (64GB), or $870 (128GB)
Here are what I can find on the specs:
-Size: Diagonal Size 5.5 in
-Processor: 2.5 GHz / Quad-core / Snapdragon 801 chip
-Camera: 13-megapixel camera
-Battery: non-removable 3,000mAh battery
-Finger Sensors: fingerprint sensor is located on left of the device.
-Doesn’t even have a USB port , uses MagSafe-like connector for charging
My question is.. Is it as good as mentioned. From the specs it does not seem that outstanding. But the looks of the phone seems pretty badass to me. Do you have more info? Let me know your opinion. Thanks.
Can anyone port the Rom to the M8?
NIL
Headphones, Customization and other maladies
This new android phone " Turing Phone" news has been going around.
It is said to be unhackable, waterproof and unbreakable. (sounds like an ultimate phone to me)
The device itself looks great! and I am pretty excited, however, I am sure due to the security in it, porting a custom ROM onto it will be out of the question? Also, no headphone jack Guess only bluetooth headsets for this one. And root would also be out of the question?
We have to compromise on something eh
Thanks!
I reserved one, I'll post a review and some pics once received.
I've got a Wyvern on the way...concerned that it doesn't support Google Play...means, what exactly am I going to use the phone for? hmmmm...
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I've got a Wyvern on the way...concerned that it doesn't support Google Play...means, what exactly am I going to use the phone for? hmmmm...
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I believe it does have access to Google Play. Did you read otherwise?