Sony is the only Android phone brand I haven't tried yet, but I'm ready to jump as I like how Sony unlocks bootloader and updates their phones and I like their camera sensors.
I do have a few questions which couldn't be addressed after my visits to pdadb.net and sony's own web-site which hopefully current Xperia P owners can clarify for me, so in no apparent order:
1. Does Xperia P use the sim or the micro-sim?
2. Does the FM radio work on any of the leaked ICS builds for Xperia P?
3. Is the Sony's camera app same as the stock android app or does it make use of the sensor features allowing me to shoot HDR photos and maybe more?
4. How bright is the charging/notification light at night (I've read the topic it can be disabled, but I'm wondering how bright it is if I left it on)?
5. Has anyone been able to link to GLONASS satellites with the built-in chip? I've found contradicting reports that Xperia P chip should support GLONASS, but I'd like to be sure.
6. Do the Sony's own GB/ICS roms include UI in all languages or are they limited by the region?
7. Is the Sony "scratch-resistant" glass actually a Gorilla glass?
8. Is the Sony bloatware in any way useful if you haven't used the Sony media services before and have no intention of paying for them?
Thanks!
stangri said:
Sony is the only Android phone brand I haven't tried yet, but I'm ready to jump as I like how Sony unlocks bootloader and updates their phones and I like their camera sensors.
I do have a few questions which couldn't be addressed after my visits to pdadb.net and sony's own web-site which hopefully current Xperia P owners can clarify for me, so in no apparent order:
1. Does Xperia P use the sim or the micro-sim?
2. Does the FM radio work on any of the leaked ICS builds for Xperia P?
3. Is the Sony's camera app same as the stock android app or does it make use of the sensor features allowing me to shoot HDR photos and maybe more?
4. How bright is the charging/notification light at night (I've read the topic it can be disabled, but I'm wondering how bright it is if I left it on)?
5. Has anyone been able to link to GLONASS satellites with the built-in chip? I've found contradicting reports that Xperia P chip should support GLONASS, but I'd like to be sure.
6. Do the Sony's own GB/ICS roms include UI in all languages or are they limited by the region?
7. Is the Sony "scratch-resistant" glass actually a Gorilla glass?
8. Is the Sony bloatware in any way useful if you haven't used the Sony media services before and have no intention of paying for them?
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1) MicroSIM
2) What leaked ICS builds? If you can link me to it please.
3) It has more features, but no HDR
4) After my HTC Desire (that could light up half the room), the Xperia S doesn't bother me at all. Since to be the same LEDs, so it should be fine.
5) Not sure on that, it's an ST-Ericsson U8500, check the specs
6) All LTR languages, like any Android builds
7) No, but it's good enough for me not to care
8) The non uninstallable part is quite useful if you like Sony stuff like Timescape
Thanks for replies.
2 -- I thought there would have been leaks for Xperia P ICS by now, I must have been mistaken.
5 -- Thanks for letting me know the exact chip, but still it says that support for GLONASS *can* be enabled, doesn't say if Sony has actually implemented it. I guess I'll find out sooner or later.
OK, I have two more questions.
9. Warranty page at Sony's web-site says that I need to bring it to the service centre in the country of purchase and the phone must have been purchased from the authorized reseller. I intend to get the phone on ebay as it's cheapest and 4-6 months a year I spend almost half the world away from where I live. Has anyone had an incident where they needed to get the phone fixed outside of country of purchase?
10. I've read online that the 1080p video made by the Xperia P camera is actually upscaled 720p video which is bumming me out as a kick-ass camera a must have for me. If anyone can provide me with the links where I can read up more on the Xperia P video shooting I'd be grateful.
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Thanks for replies.
2 -- I thought there would have been leaks for Xperia P ICS by now, I must have been mistaken.
5 -- Thanks for letting me know the exact chip, but still it says that support for GLONASS *can* be enabled, doesn't say if Sony has actually implemented it. I guess I'll find out sooner or later.
OK, I have two more questions.
9. Warranty page at Sony's web-site says that I need to bring it to the service centre in the country of purchase and the phone must have been purchased from the authorized reseller. I intend to get the phone on ebay as it's cheapest and 4-6 months a year I spend almost half the world away from where I live. Has anyone had an incident where they needed to get the phone fixed outside of country of purchase?
10. I've read online that the 1080p video made by the Xperia P camera is actually upscaled 720p video which is bumming me out as a kick-ass camera a must have for me. If anyone can provide me with the links where I can read up more on the Xperia P video shooting I'd be grateful.
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5 - from my quick look it seems to be on
9 - that's the standard warranty claim, not much you can do about it
10 - not sure about that, but seems unlikely
10 -- well, some swedish web-site claimed that and they posted a video on youtube. I don't have an eye to tell upscaled 720p video from the true 1080p, so I'm not sure.
I do have a question about the camera tho. I've been reading comparison between the Xperia S and SGSIII cameras and while the Sammy has the HDR setting in the camera app, the Sony doesn't. The images taken by Sony phone were much more vivid and colourful: http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-S-III-vs-Sony-Xperia-S_id3048/page/3
Is that maybe because they use some sort of the HDR equivalent all the time?
stangri said:
10 -- well, some swedish web-site claimed that and they posted a video on youtube. I don't have an eye to tell upscaled 720p video from the true 1080p, so I'm not sure.
I do have a question about the camera tho. I've been reading comparison between the Xperia S and SGSIII cameras and while the Sammy has the HDR setting in the camera app, the Sony doesn't. The images taken by Sony phone were much more vivid and colourful: http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-S-III-vs-Sony-Xperia-S_id3048/page/3
Is that maybe because they use some sort of the HDR equivalent all the time?
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i am schocked to see this....does x10 has front facing camera????
the page here confirms it....... OMG
http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dERiNkdJY2pBQnQxWF9sYUpTcGo0S3c6MA
the page here is talking about fring with video calls.....can any one confirm this..
You had better ask McKebapp, he has pulled his X10 apart
But I doubt it.....
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Noooooooooooo!
No, there is no front camera!! No No No!
but the other 2 devices has front cameras........and i dont understand y this device is added to it.......
X10 has just one cam! I've tried and frings uses that...so no front camera!
i will get back my x10 tomorrow....will test it and confirm.......
i hope its true and i should be the first one to tell u all
i have got an email from early access team of fring with a test fring apk.....
i dont have the phone with me right now....tomorrow evening i will test it when i get my phone back.....
Hello,
I’m glad to introduce: fring 2.1.0.17 for Android.
Before you install the attached version, please uninstall the current one and wait 2-3 minutes before you connect again.
This version includes the following features:
- Video Calls for more Android devices (Sony Ericsson X10, Dell Streak).
- fring should be running smoother on Froyo.
- Some other improvements.
We'll be glad to get your impressions, comments, suggestions, bug reports etc.
Thanks,
Tom
Early-Access team @fring.
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I've tested it. I can confirm no front camera. Just uses the main camera, which is kinda useless.
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No Guys, I'm sorry...
There is no front cam installed.
Seach for my "Upskirt Shots" Thread.
If you find a frontcam, please post the lottery numbers for coming Saturday
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_shakira_makes_a_debut_a_new_xperia_x10_offshoot-news-1715.php
i m also confusing with this. arent we all knew that x10 have no front camera since they first day published?
I saw a video by CoolSmartPhone.com on youtube with a white x19 with a front facing camera. S o n y Ericsson Xperia X10 - The on-screen keyboard and dialing
A lot of salespeople saw the proximity sensor and assumed it was a cam... I think that's where this rumor started
there is no front camera....
i have tried using video chat apps which use front camera..they said no front camera detected.
maybe the latest fring version lets u use main camera.
i dont miss it though..
my bro has iphone4 ..he keeps facetiming with his GF...
Facetime is lame. What's the point if you can't make 3g video calls? If you're at home might as well use your laptop/desktop that has a better screen + better quality
so, this is?
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so, this is?
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Proximity sensor..
That explains it..no front cam then :-(
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Front Camera
There are X10 knock-offs floating around on Madeinchina.com (from the site just do a search on X10 and you'll see exactly what i'm talking about)
Many of these knock-off's have dual sim card slots, front and rear facing camera's, radio, even built in television.
However I can't confirm if any of them are using the Android OS. Its possible that where ever this confirmation came from originally - that the person was using one of these knock-offs.
Also to note - the camera resolution on these knock-offs are considerably lower than the true X10. Usually about 4mps for the rear camera, and 1.5mps for the front facing.
Screen size is usually a bit smaller. And I would imagine the resolution of the screen wouldn't be HD.
I have though made my decision. The next cellphone I buy will probably be an android based knock-off. Why? If I'm not going to get support from the manufacture anyways what the heck is the point in paying the high price. When I say support I mean continued updates and upgrades. All the work is now being done by the public - not the manufacture. I'd rather save the money by not buying the name brand, and donating to the developers who make this stuff work.
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Proximity sensor..
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Out of curiosity, on the X10 what does the Proximity sensor do?
I have the message LED's that light up, that I noticed. The blue LED for facebook messages. is this a different LED to indicate something else?
I need to recommend a phone to my 20 year old cousin sister. I had recommended Ace but its low RAM puts me off. All the Sony phones S15, S17 and W17 are having similar price. Would you recommend these over Ace? Which one?
I have to put a stable ROM for her and she will not be messing with such things. She needs good music, facebook and playing games like Angry Birds.
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I need to recommend a phone to my 20 year old cousin sister. I had recommended Ace but its low RAM puts me off. All the Sony phones S15, S17 and W17 are having similar price. Would you recommend these over Ace? Which one?
I have to put a stable ROM for her and she will not be messing with such things. She needs good music, facebook and playing games like Angry Birds.
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Its all depend on how she is.
sk17 (mini pro) have hw keyboard and front camera, w17 and st17 doesnt have both of it.
But, st17 have dust and water resistant but since your cousin is 'SHE', then i dont thnik that features is a big plus for her (except if she is the type of active and doing a lot of outdoor activities).
I would recommend sk17 (mini pro) (if she doesnt care on how thick and thin it is for all the additional features it has)
I would recommend wt17 (active) if she doing a lot of outdoor activities and would like to have some devices that can stand some heavy situation and doesnt care about having hw keyboard for fast typing and front camera for skype etc.
for wt19 (live) ,all are the same with sk17 (mini pro) and st15 (mini) (cpu, ram, gpu etc) but it has slightly larger screen but with lower density. However, the overall design of it might catch her attention.
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Its all depend on how she is.
sk17 (mini pro) have hw keyboard and front camera, w17 and st17 doesnt have both of it.
But, st17 have dust and water resistant but since your cousin is 'SHE', then i dont thnik that features is a big plus for her (except if she is the type of active and doing a lot of outdoor activities).
I would recommend sk17 (if she doesnt care on how thick and thin it is for all the additional features it has)
I would recommend st17 if she doing a lot of outdoor activities and would like to have some devices that can stand some heavy situation and doesnt care about having hw keyboard for fast typing and front camera for skype etc.
for w17,all are the same with sk and st17 (cpu, ram, gpu etc) but it has slightly larger screen but with lower density. However, the overall design of it might catch her attention.
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WT19i/a has got front camera
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I think the Xperia Ray is the best for a girl, thin, beautyful with a high resolution screen, and there's also the pink one
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WT19i/a has got front camera
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Ermmm.. i think i give out the correct info tho. Maybe you misread what i posted. We are talking about wt17 (xperia active) not xperia live with walkman a.k.a wt19
EDIT: oppss.. i DID mistype in above post. not st17, its wt17 LOL Has been too long in front of computer..
Ask your sis if there are any features or apps that she really wants because there are a couple of major differences between the Ace and the SE phones - most notably, the later Xperias are already running Android Gingerbread and will soon be updated to Ice Cream Sandwich (the latest version of Android) and they support Flash - which the Ace doesn't. In case you don't know, without Flash she will be unable to use a lot of really good sites and content - such as online TV. It is possible to hack the Ace to use an older version of Flash but it's not very good and certainly not good enough for anything like watching TV.
The Ace is a decent iphone-look-a-like - the SE phones don't copy that styling. That's a plus-point for me - I love the SK17i for being different from everyone else's phone.
The Ace has a good sized screen - but the resolution is no greater and it's not a particularly good quality screen - TFT and sometimes a bit lacking in contrast and image quality. The SE phones have superb picture quality but the smaller screens (like the mini and mini pro) may be off putting for some people.
I had a Sammy and the Xperia Mini Pro in quick succession (cos the Samsung packed in after less than a week) and they are both good but the Xperia is a much better phone for the money - looks good, sounds great, superb processor (matches many dual-core in real-world use), terrific picture quality, solid build, excellent ongoing support from SE, full Flash support, ICS on the way.
Going to Android market highlighted the additional features of the SE phones - very few apps say "not suitable for your phone" with the SE thanks to the Flash support and fast processor.
The only major criticism I have of the Xperias is that the cameras are terrible - either through hardware or software, they take all-but unusable pictures considering the claimed resolution - massively over-processed and appallingly low quality in anything other than bright light. Some people have reported sound interference when recording videos on some Xperias - that has supposedly been cured on newer phones but might be worth reading around if video recording is important to your sister.
SE's user forums are very good - plenty of input from SE themselves. Also, they are well laid out and easy to use. Samsung's are a bit of a mess - hard to find anything. SE's product pages are also very good - plenty of genuinely useful information and videos to help you find your way around the phone - Samsung's site is more like a big advert with little practical detail or advice.
One other possible negative for the SE phones - depending on your situation. SE use non-standard headphone sockets which annoys some people. They are usually fine with normal headphones but won't always work with headsets that have built-in microphones.
Basic apps on both Samsung and SE are decent. Both include some junk but I'd say that SE have less garbage that can't be removed (though that may vary of you buy from a service provider). Overall though, since these are android phones, it's so easy to add apps that it's not a big deal.
SE's support software is miles better than Samsungs. Samsung's software is bug-ridden and unstable - SE's is easy to use and reliable offering some nice features like the ability to quickly re-install the same software if the phone play up or is getting sluggish.
I really liked the main screen layout on the Samsung - I'm not so keen on the SE screen with those corners (really just folders that you are forced to use if you don't want to lose real-estate - I wish there was a simple way to switch them off). Even so, it's easy to install and use GO or one of the other launchers to get around any such niggles.
The Samsungs have one feature I really miss - proper controls in the pull-down menu to directly switch features like wi-fi without going into menus. There are a few apps available for the SE's to mimic that but they mostly just provide a shortcut to the menus so are nowhere near as useful.
Samsung's task manager is easy to use. SE don't really have but they claim that their software handles memory so well that the user doesn't need to do it manually.
Samsungs DNLA support is excellent and simple thanks to their ready-made applications - just install "All Share" on your PC and it's all but automatic. SE phones take more work to get anywhere near that stage.
There seems to be a lot more happening with the Samsungs when it comes to custom roms and mods. That may attract some people - others may see it as evidence that more SE owners are happy with the phone as it is. To me, it seems to be largely down to the fact that the SE's already have the later version of Android making many of the tweaks unneccesary. Also, just based on reading through the XDA forums, it appears that it is easier to recover the SE phones if something goes wrong when tweaking - a hell of a lot of people are bricking their Samsungs because it's all too easy to lose the imei data when tinkering with them. On the SE phones, most phones are "cured" simply by using the SE support software to reflash the phone (probably not a big deal for your sister but nice to know that it's so easy to repair a corrupted phone if something goes wrong)
Last point - the males who have seen my Mini Pro think it looks odd because they all have iphone-clones and no imagination - the girls all love it for the size and looks (I'm talking the phone )
@pengipete, thanks for the detailed answer. It seems worth to buy the SE over Samsung.
Now the last question is which model to select, ST15, SK17 or WT19. I am inclined to tell her to buy the Walkman phone.
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i would recommend SK17i, because it looks cute with slideout-keyboard equipped.. and it suitable for girl
Any of those will give her a good quality phone which will not be out-dated too quickly. The Mini is great for being so small, the Mini Pro has the physical keyboard (which is very usable and a major plus-point on such a small phone) and the Walkman looks good and has the better quality speakers.
Best advice I'd give - if the prices are pretty similar or price is irrelevant - ask her which she likes knowing that any of them will be a good phone. It's really just down to looks and her personal taste.
My own preference is the Mini Pro but the world would be a boring place if we all liked the same thing.
You really won't need to do much about the ROM - SE seem to be turning out very stable, usable roms already. Just sort her out a few decent apps and budget for a decent sized SD card if she's going to want to store a lot of music.
Best of luck - and I hope she appreciates you looking after her like this
Is there a working camera fix (mod) that will allow for changing compression settings in the camera as well as reduce the image processing which results in detail loss :?
I just bought the device and would love to be able to take better images - and I feel that this loss of details can be avoided. images at 5mpx should not be 500kb in any case and the details even on older devices with lower mpx show more details.
Maybe if there is a working fix people can also post sample shots to see how it really works. (ICS or GB)
Plus this mod could also be implemented in other roms later on so that more people can benefit.
Thanks
Take a look at this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=24147607
iONEx said:
Take a look at this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=24147607
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Just read through the entire thread + all the linked threads to that ...
as it seems compression is not the problem here ...
the camera drivers need to be altered or drivers from a better image producing device to be ported....
anyone has a progress on that :?
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Just read through the entire thread + all the linked threads to that ...
as it seems compression is not the problem here ...
the camera drivers need to be altered or drivers from a better image producing device to be ported....
anyone has a progress on that :?
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I don't know much but I think the drivers are proprietary and cannot be edited.
I guess we should wait for Sony to release the ICS update, maybe the camera will get better
Hope something could be adapted from another device even - better adapted to make good photos. Fingers crossed
Anyone tried updating to ICS? The camera quality has been improved. Now the image size is ~2mb i guess
Forget about driver replacing: if i understand correctly you mixed old methods for phones (for example K790i on platform db2020 etc.): changing acoustic, display, camera drivers. I just tryed all of this by myself in the past ^_^ In android smartphones there is only way to improve quality - change camera's APK file Because drivers for internal absolutelly incompatible between different devices. You can find everything you need on Apps section of our subforum
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Forget about driver replacing: if i understand correctly you mixed old methods for phones (for example K790i on platform db2020 etc.): changing acoustic, display, camera drivers. I just tryed all of this by myself in the past ^_^ In android smartphones there is only way to improve quality - change camera's APK file Because drivers for internal absolutelly incompatible between different devices. You can find everything you need on Apps section of our subforum
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so what are you suggesting ... : ?
how do we lose the over agressive post process sharpening etc ?
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so what are you suggesting ... : ?
how do we lose the over agressive post process sharpening etc ?
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we could, if best developers would focus on this, not new kernels and roms
but it seems no one is willing to focus on camera quality ;( i miss old days whan i had k750/w810
It may be possible to improve the photo quality output of the SK17, but I don't think it's going to do as well as some previous generation camera phones just due to the physics of it all.
If you take a look at the lens used on the SK17 vs. iPhone or even the X10 Mini Pro, you'll find the lens is smaller, as well as the aperture ect... This means a smaller image sensor which ultimately means lower PQ.
The only way it could match larger lenses would be if they had used more advanced image sensor technology such as EXMOR to improve sensor sensitivity or speed, as they did in the Xperia Ray. Unfortunately they didn't use this technology in the SK17 series of phones.
I'm hoping up coming newer versions of the phone will make use of both a larger lens as well as advanced sensor technology.
If you use a camera app. such as 360 camera, you can defeat the compression, but the pictures don't really look much better to me. The negligible improvement in PQ may be the reason why Sony implemented this level of compression in the first place, since the lens isn't able to deliver.
Mike
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It may be possible to improve the photo quality output of the SK17, but I don't think it's going to do as well as some previous generation camera phones just due to the physics of it all.
If you take a look at the lens used on the SK17 vs. iPhone or even the X10 Mini Pro, you'll find the lens is smaller, as well as the aperture ect... This means a smaller image sensor which ultimately means lower PQ.
The only way it could match larger lenses would be if they had used more advanced image sensor technology such as EXMOR to improve sensor sensitivity or speed, as they did in the Xperia Ray. Unfortunately they didn't use this technology in the SK17 series of phones.
I'm hoping up coming newer versions of the phone will make use of both a larger lens as well as advanced sensor technology.
If you use a camera app. such as 360 camera, you can defeat the compression, but the pictures don't really look much better to me. The negligible improvement in PQ may be the reason why Sony implemented this level of compression in the first place, since the lens isn't able to deliver.
Mike
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I partially agree with the sensor being small - hence output suffering quality - however I've had a nokia e50 long time ago with an even smaller lens at 1.3mpx which produced similar images (well sometimes) in terms of quality. I would be interested to see how the device performs without the crazy compression settings ... I have my feelings that output will improve vastly.
Btw on GB with camera ICS+ the images were very good actually - even though I wish they were not as compressed as they are - nothing else.
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we could, if best developers would focus on this, not new kernels and roms
but it seems no one is willing to focus on camera quality ;( i miss old days whan i had k750/w810
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I was using your 21.93 driver for my W810 and I believe you can do with camera everything you like, so get off your butt and start an investigation
ICS camera is much better for taking photos.. but when it comes to video camera, overall OS speed and experience.. ICS SUCKS!
any one got solution for improving stills quality in xperia mini/pro?
try this, the compression is reduced a bit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1935982
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try this, the compression is reduced a bit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1935982
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ya m currently using that mod but still m not happy with the results.. i think its the camera lens and sensor sony used in xperia mini/pro
The z3V camera is disappointing to me. The Sony pixel interpolation software leaves a lot to be desired. A close up of a 20MP photo in sunlight reveals terrible cluster shadows and jaggies. Everyone knows (or should) that a 1/2.3" sensor cannot physically hold 20MP. (More like about 8.2.) Even when the size is set to 8 MP it looks terrible.
I've helped port some Canon P&S cameras on the CHDK forums years back. We got them to do focus and meter bracketing, added manual focusing, intervalometer, manual iso settings, etc, which were not options offered on any pocket camera back then. We also got them to save files uncompressed and untouched by software as .tiff files. The raw files show the true sensor size in the exif data, and allow post processing software of your choice. They come out far superior to what any in-camera software does.
Can someone add the ability to save photos taken by the z3V as .tiff or raw files? Currently I use Camera VF-5 which gives a decent UI and a few manual controls. But there are some manual controls missing -in other words, the z3V doesn't have the hardware to support all of the functions the app can. Seems the only thing this camera has going for it as far as bragging rights is the 20MP capability, and is not even that good.
Bump for another try...
Well in lollipop there is raw support. Sony needs to add it via a update. Which they are currently asking if users want
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I've read that Sony is asking that since posting this. But I also read that many many phones are not working with RAW, as in Lollipop uses code that the markets need to release compatible firmware to make use of it?
I just combed through a year long thread of exhausting work done by devs on this and their site got shut down because someone said it was malware.
Stay put, you should see the attachment in my latest thread that I have of the Z3v.
...Staying put, but checking in several times daily...
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If you look at his official lollipop at the end of January post.. His first post the opening ones has 2 attachments. He has the z5 camera on his z3v with a much bigger expansion of options for the camera.
If do a Google for "Z5 camera apk" you will find the port and that it is buggy still.
The z5 camera itself doesn't support RAW files. AFAK Sony hasn't implemented it yet.
I personally like the ui of the older camera that's on the z3V. I installed the z5 last week and the ui is awful. Everything that the current z3V camera has worked fine. But no RAW without some writing it in somehow I guess.
I have to assume (hope) that's what GigaSPX is working on.
I believe that, because of the hardware, the z3 camera is capable of producing fantastic RAW files for manual post editing. The in-device software crunches the photo to hell and back.
I just tried to find out how many pixels are on this sensor, and there are indeed 20.3MP. (So my initial post in this thread is all wrong in that regard...).
But the sensor size means the pixels are extremely small and light becomes a real problem.
According to Techspot, The iPhone 6 8MP sensors individual pixels are capable of processing 88% more light than those of the Sony z3 sensor. The iPhone 6 sensor is smaller than the Z3V sensor, but the individual pixel size is much larger.
Sure, when you try to supersize the iPhone photo you'll start to see individual pixels, but when you supersize the Sony picture you see patches of pixels muddled together. Somehow it's even worse.
The ability to capture in DNG will be a refreshing compromise for a limited piece of hardware that is on the higher end of the phone spectrum.
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The z5 camera itself doesn't support RAW files. AFAK Sony hasn't implemented it yet.
I personally like the ui of the older camera that's on the z3V. I installed the z5 last week and the ui is awful. Everything that the current z3V camera has worked fine. But no RAW without some writing it in somehow I guess.
I have to assume (hope) that's what GigaSPX is working on.
I believe that, because of the hardware, the z3 camera is capable of producing fantastic RAW files for manual post editing. The in-device software crunches the photo to hell and back.
I just tried to find out how many pixels are on this sensor, and there are indeed 20.3MP. (So my initial post in this thread is all wrong in that regard...).
But the sensor size means the pixels are extremely small and light becomes a real problem.
According to Techspot, The iPhone 6 8MP sensors individual pixels are capable of processing 88% more light than those of the Sony z3 sensor. The iPhone 6 sensor is smaller than the Z3V sensor, but the individual pixel size is much larger.
Sure, when you try to supersize the iPhone photo you'll start to see individual pixels, but when you supersize the Sony picture you see patches of pixels muddled together. Somehow it's even worse.
The ability to capture in DNG will be a refreshing compromise for a limited piece of hardware that is on the higher end of the phone spectrum.
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I was surprised my other thread was locked out due to it going off topic before I could say something to bring it back to being on topic again. Here was what I wanted to reply to everyone in regards to the assumptions:
I appreciate all your guys support, but I've never once admitted to being a developer. I'm currently a 5th year senior finishing my bachelors in business and busy running part of the family business that's in no way related to development. I'd definitely love to learn but I'd definitely consider later on in the year. For now, I just help out with other users who share their time in making the most use out of the Z3v. :highfive:
Oh and there isn't RAW support since it really is up to Sony to add that on there.
And to @1linuxfreak:
Although I'm no dev, I've partaken in many trials of Android mods and actually a few customized ROMs from the Z3v from another user. Of those many times, I've had softbricked my phone, and broke a lot of things within my phone, such as calling. It was a frustrating day to figure out what went wrong when I can make calls, but not fully receive calls from important people that day.
As for the Z5 Camera mod made specially to be compatible for the Z3v, I am pushing that time to the end of the month in case there is an official OTA so I can bundle everything together for an easy jump to the official Lollipop. Otherwise if it's another flopped announcement, I will make the zip available.
I'll tell everyone this though, unlocking the bootloader is no easy feat. There were times that it came close, but ultimately hard bricked for Verizon warranty. This person you should thank for making his several attempts and actually got booted from Verizon's insurance is @zachariahpope .
Hi.
Can someone please make some camera comparisons between Android 11 and 12? I mean to take the same outdoor pictures using same settings and compare it?
I wonder whether we received planned product aging (camera quality degradation via software "update").
Interesting if it is same, worse or better.
Also, is there finally night mode included?
Would also be nice to see, if the apps themself had a update.
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What kind of "Night mode" are you talking about?
Basic-Mode as well as Automatik-Mode include automatic scene recognition. Part of it a dedicated profiles for:
Night portrait
Night scene
Low light
Xperia 1 III XQ-BC52/XQ-BC62/XQ-BC72 | Help Guide | Scene and condition recognition
Hudrator said:
Would also be nice to see, if the apps themself had a update.
@decomposed
What kind of "Night mode" are you talking about?
Basic-Mode as well as Automatik-Mode include automatic scene recognition. Part of it a dedicated profiles for:
Night portrait
Night scene
Low light
Xperia 1 III XQ-BC52/XQ-BC62/XQ-BC72 | Help Guide | Scene and condition recognition
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This is not a true nigh-mode. I am talking about something that other manufacturers offers, a mode you can turn on / off manually and something that hives great night results. Mark 3 still is far behind competition in worse light conditions...
Example of dedicated night mode I am referring to:
A12's camera quality beter than A11's.
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This is not a true nigh-mode. I am talking about something that other manufacturers offers, a mode you can turn on / off manually and something that hives great night results. Mark 3 still is far behind competition in worse light conditions...
Example of dedicated night mode I am referring to:
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Ah is see what you mean.
Well i wouldn't count that in. With the more tradtionell photography appoach sony is taking, i don't think we will see something like this in near future.
Which is okay i guess - concidering the target group of the device. Not aiming for "main stream" in this regards i guess.
As well i would love to see some kind of that maybe in the basic mode - giving the customer the choice which approach he prevers.
@Mazellat
Can you give some more detail? What has become better? Would love to hear some news on this as - due to the availeability - it seems that there hasn't been to much testing on this at the moment.
Not to go off the topic, this is mostly to confirm whether sony applied planned product aging for camera or not. Would be great if someone could post Android 11 and 12 comparison sample pics.
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Not to go off the topic, this is mostly to confirm whether sony applied planned product aging for camera or not. Would be great if someone could post Android 11 and 12 comparison sample pics.
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Sony is not known for improving photo quality with updates. And their updates rate and older product support lags behind the competition. For example not that old Xperia 5 is still on October 1 2021 security update. Suggest that it will never get Android 12.
It's too soon to be breaking the XPeria 1 III in software. If people want to know what to expect from the next phone, they're going to look at the current phones.
My phone does seem to get buggier every day (still on 11) to the point were it's nearly unusable. I had to keep it powered off yesterday because it kept randomly waking up into apps WHILE LOCKED and in my pocket. I'm going to attribute this Sony software sucking rather than intentionally making the phone obsolete.
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It's too soon to be breaking the XPeria 1 III in software. If people want to know what to expect from the next phone, they're going to look at the current phones.
My phone does seem to get buggier every day (still on 11) to the point were it's nearly unusable. I had to keep it powered off yesterday because it kept randomly waking up into apps WHILE LOCKED and in my pocket. I'm going to attribute this Sony software sucking rather than intentionally making the phone obsolete.
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That's a thing that happen also to other phones that people bring here ins tore to repair. 90% of the time is something third party app related and could be solved with a factory reset and with app behaviour checking.
Maybe this is not your case but...
Also if you already not selected it try activating under display setting "avoid accidental use when display is off" and deactivating under lockscreen preference "double tap to wake"
kevinmcmurtrie said:
It's too soon to be breaking the XPeria 1 III in software. If people want to know what to expect from the next phone, they're going to look at the current phones.
My phone does seem to get buggier every day (still on 11) to the point were it's nearly unusable. I had to keep it powered off yesterday because it kept randomly waking up into apps WHILE LOCKED and in my pocket. I'm going to attribute this Sony software sucking rather than intentionally making the phone obsolete.
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You can also consider installing XPERI+.
GitHub - ivaniskandar/shouko: Xpand the feature set of your Android!
Xpand the feature set of your Android! Contribute to ivaniskandar/shouko development by creating an account on GitHub.
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This adds a feature to prevent accidental touches you're describing.