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Feel free to scroll past the first paragraph if you don't care for my story of data loss - I wouldn't blame you one bit.
Also, to the forum moderators: feel free to move this thread as you see fit. I've been having trouble organizing my thoughts in the months since my last post on XDA, so I'm less sure about which category this falls under. Thanks for bearing with me!
I traded my Nexus 4 for a Sony Z Ultra GPE last month, and normally I'd have plunged right away into my typical Android experiments of dual/multi-booting with Ubuntu, Sailfish, and other Linux distros, among other things. However, several major data losses recently stole my attention - all the pictures I had taken on my Nexus and a few other things I don't care as much about were backed up to my laptop's SSD. Of course all these backups were stored on a compressed and encrypted btrfs partition that Windows went ahead and irreparably corrupted for me. It doesn't help that my laptop is my only computer now. Lesson learned I guess. Needless to say, I'm cutting down on unnecessary projects now, like a 50GB Android source tree, which is probably a bad idea for a laptop/SSD anyway.
Okay, so this isn't really a question thread - it's more like a request for feedback. I'm on CM11 nightlies right now, and I backed up my TA partition in several places (thank God for that - seriously!) so I'm currently on an unlocked bootloader, but I've been contemplating relocking by restoring my TA backup and upgrading to Lollipop. The main reason I was all excited about Lollipop is the camera might be better. Worryingly, I haven't heard much chatter about how great the camera is after the Lollipop upgrade. I realize there isn't really a way to do a scientific, side-by-side comparison unless you own more than one ZU, but any improvements with regards to low-light performance or noise reduction, even slight, would be great to hear about.
Please note your bootloader lock state with your comments - I'd like to find out whether I need to give up CyanogenMod for camera improvements. If the camera isn't even slightly better (I don't care too much about auto focus) I may consider selling my ZU and possibly getting a cheap Nexus 5, despite it almost being a downgrade since I love my ZU's huge screen. I knew what I was getting when I bought this phone, but I've been avoiding posting any pictures to social media for the last month out of embarrassment.
So yeah, let discussion about the camera post-Lollipop commence! Thanks in advance for your contributions!
First off LP (for now) won't drastic improve the camera. We need updated drivers that do RAW for the big improvements, like on Nexus 5 & 6. That being said get a decent camera app (FV-5 paid or 'a better camera') that allows S and ISO and set the ISO as low as you can ie 50 or 100 and the photos are much improved.
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First off LP (for now) won't drastic improve the camera. We need updated drivers that do RAW for the big improvements, like on Nexus 5 & 6. That being said get a decent camera app (FV-5 paid or 'a better camera') that allows S and ISO and set the ISO as low as you can ie 50 or 100 and the photos are much improved.
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Correct. Unfortunately, as of now, we are unable to change the iso sensitivity on the camera. Photos do appear better, just noisy since the auto iso kicks in...
I can safely say that camera is slightly better on the L probably due to better drivers but raw image still unavailable on the Camera fv5 latest update.
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The z3V camera is disappointing to me. The Sony pixel interpolation software leaves a lot to be desired. A close up of a 20MP photo in sunlight reveals terrible cluster shadows and jaggies. Everyone knows (or should) that a 1/2.3" sensor cannot physically hold 20MP. (More like about 8.2.) Even when the size is set to 8 MP it looks terrible.
I've helped port some Canon P&S cameras on the CHDK forums years back. We got them to do focus and meter bracketing, added manual focusing, intervalometer, manual iso settings, etc, which were not options offered on any pocket camera back then. We also got them to save files uncompressed and untouched by software as .tiff files. The raw files show the true sensor size in the exif data, and allow post processing software of your choice. They come out far superior to what any in-camera software does.
Can someone add the ability to save photos taken by the z3V as .tiff or raw files? Currently I use Camera VF-5 which gives a decent UI and a few manual controls. But there are some manual controls missing -in other words, the z3V doesn't have the hardware to support all of the functions the app can. Seems the only thing this camera has going for it as far as bragging rights is the 20MP capability, and is not even that good.
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Well in lollipop there is raw support. Sony needs to add it via a update. Which they are currently asking if users want
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I've read that Sony is asking that since posting this. But I also read that many many phones are not working with RAW, as in Lollipop uses code that the markets need to release compatible firmware to make use of it?
I just combed through a year long thread of exhausting work done by devs on this and their site got shut down because someone said it was malware.
Stay put, you should see the attachment in my latest thread that I have of the Z3v.
...Staying put, but checking in several times daily...
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...Staying put, but checking in several times daily...
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If you look at his official lollipop at the end of January post.. His first post the opening ones has 2 attachments. He has the z5 camera on his z3v with a much bigger expansion of options for the camera.
If do a Google for "Z5 camera apk" you will find the port and that it is buggy still.
The z5 camera itself doesn't support RAW files. AFAK Sony hasn't implemented it yet.
I personally like the ui of the older camera that's on the z3V. I installed the z5 last week and the ui is awful. Everything that the current z3V camera has worked fine. But no RAW without some writing it in somehow I guess.
I have to assume (hope) that's what GigaSPX is working on.
I believe that, because of the hardware, the z3 camera is capable of producing fantastic RAW files for manual post editing. The in-device software crunches the photo to hell and back.
I just tried to find out how many pixels are on this sensor, and there are indeed 20.3MP. (So my initial post in this thread is all wrong in that regard...).
But the sensor size means the pixels are extremely small and light becomes a real problem.
According to Techspot, The iPhone 6 8MP sensors individual pixels are capable of processing 88% more light than those of the Sony z3 sensor. The iPhone 6 sensor is smaller than the Z3V sensor, but the individual pixel size is much larger.
Sure, when you try to supersize the iPhone photo you'll start to see individual pixels, but when you supersize the Sony picture you see patches of pixels muddled together. Somehow it's even worse.
The ability to capture in DNG will be a refreshing compromise for a limited piece of hardware that is on the higher end of the phone spectrum.
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The z5 camera itself doesn't support RAW files. AFAK Sony hasn't implemented it yet.
I personally like the ui of the older camera that's on the z3V. I installed the z5 last week and the ui is awful. Everything that the current z3V camera has worked fine. But no RAW without some writing it in somehow I guess.
I have to assume (hope) that's what GigaSPX is working on.
I believe that, because of the hardware, the z3 camera is capable of producing fantastic RAW files for manual post editing. The in-device software crunches the photo to hell and back.
I just tried to find out how many pixels are on this sensor, and there are indeed 20.3MP. (So my initial post in this thread is all wrong in that regard...).
But the sensor size means the pixels are extremely small and light becomes a real problem.
According to Techspot, The iPhone 6 8MP sensors individual pixels are capable of processing 88% more light than those of the Sony z3 sensor. The iPhone 6 sensor is smaller than the Z3V sensor, but the individual pixel size is much larger.
Sure, when you try to supersize the iPhone photo you'll start to see individual pixels, but when you supersize the Sony picture you see patches of pixels muddled together. Somehow it's even worse.
The ability to capture in DNG will be a refreshing compromise for a limited piece of hardware that is on the higher end of the phone spectrum.
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I was surprised my other thread was locked out due to it going off topic before I could say something to bring it back to being on topic again. Here was what I wanted to reply to everyone in regards to the assumptions:
I appreciate all your guys support, but I've never once admitted to being a developer. I'm currently a 5th year senior finishing my bachelors in business and busy running part of the family business that's in no way related to development. I'd definitely love to learn but I'd definitely consider later on in the year. For now, I just help out with other users who share their time in making the most use out of the Z3v. :highfive:
Oh and there isn't RAW support since it really is up to Sony to add that on there.
And to @1linuxfreak:
Although I'm no dev, I've partaken in many trials of Android mods and actually a few customized ROMs from the Z3v from another user. Of those many times, I've had softbricked my phone, and broke a lot of things within my phone, such as calling. It was a frustrating day to figure out what went wrong when I can make calls, but not fully receive calls from important people that day.
As for the Z5 Camera mod made specially to be compatible for the Z3v, I am pushing that time to the end of the month in case there is an official OTA so I can bundle everything together for an easy jump to the official Lollipop. Otherwise if it's another flopped announcement, I will make the zip available.
I'll tell everyone this though, unlocking the bootloader is no easy feat. There were times that it came close, but ultimately hard bricked for Verizon warranty. This person you should thank for making his several attempts and actually got booted from Verizon's insurance is @zachariahpope .
60fps works see this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/nex...fps-video-recording-libchanger-t3424621/page3
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Attached a modified version of the Camera2video sample from Google as I don't have a camera 2 device I'm attaching a test apk set to 120fps I wanna see if its working if working the camera driver is modifiable to output 120fps 1080p from that we could set fps range to 60,60
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A little bit of punctuation... I understood nothing.
Nexus 6P with Chroma rocks!
CyberZeus_Viva said:
A little bit of punctuation... I understood nothing.
Nexus 6P with Chroma rocks!
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Done basically install the apk see if it works or not
You should change "60p" to "60 fps". I think you're confusing vertical resolution with fps.
Regardless, I'm glad we're talking about this. 30 fps video is dumb and objectively much worse than 60 fps. Google's priorities here are totally wrong.
Btw, video preview is running at around 5-10 fps, and app FCs when you start recording. That's on a non-rooted 6.0.1.
I totally agree, having 120/240 fps options but 1080p60 has been left out?
Thats really, REALLY stupid. Ive been wanting something like this since launch, too bad most people dont care for it - otherwise I'm sure google would have done it way earlier.
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I totally agree, having 120/240 fps options but 1080p60 has been left out?
Thats really, REALLY stupid. Ive been wanting something like this since launch, too bad most people dont care for it - otherwise I'm sure google would have done it way earlier.
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You are mistaken, google doesn't care for it either.
Which, reading their reply, is total BS.
Theyre focusing on making it stable? They've had more than enough time to do that, it's plenty stable - given their resources and the fact that they designed it on their own platform. Not to mention the existence of 120/240 fps making it painfully obvious that this is either laziness or an oversight (neither are excusable) for not having included a 60fps option, my S5 had that for gods sake, a phone that launched in April of '14 had this ability. Along with each successor to the Galaxy line, iphones, LG, I cant think of a flagship that can't do it?
Maybe I'm (we're?) in the minority in believing that it's pathetic to have a phone with the capabilities this one does, but lacks a function that very few - if any - new phones also lack that would really make the videos taken on the device a lot better. I'ts getting frustrating that Google, and the Nexus brand, are supposed to be top of the line and cutting edge - for the most part - but have, seemingly on purpose, chosen to exclude some of the key desirable components that customers want. Wireless charging (i know it was left out to make it thinner) but still... and these were two things I really hoped for, I think the 6P was a step in the wrong direction. Huawei really treated me like **** when they sent me the wrong 6P (the bastard model that excluded band 10 for some dumb reason) and refused to allow me to exchange or return it no matter what.
If Huawei makes the 2016 Nexus, I will gladly wash my hands of it, there's no way that company will ever get my business again.
I think you guys are mistaken here, its not like nexus is the only one without 1080p 60fps, out of all latest flagships only s7 can record 1080p 60fps, htc 10, lg g5, oneplus 3, mi 5 and so on also cant record 60fps, only 30
I've pushed modified blob and app source to git @ https://github.com/defcomk/c2Vid as stated I have no camera 2 device so I go by logcats .
Anyway the source is there added some log lines as from the crash I could not see what exactly caused the crash
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I think you guys are mistaken here, its not like nexus is the only one without 1080p 60fps, out of all latest flagships only s7 can record 1080p 60fps, htc 10, lg g5, oneplus 3, mi 5 and so on also cant record 60fps, only 30
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From the leaked Qualcomm camera source code it looks like 60fps comes part of most libs and oems remove them for what reason I dunno but if you can find a device with same sensor and 60fps all that is needed is the registers for timmings and clocks and res entry but the later can be calculated.
There is hope for LG G5/One Plus 3/Mi5
HTC I tried but could only get it to 40fps in camera 1 mode Camera 2 mode the target fps range stuff maxed out at 30 perhaps when ae turned off in full manual it will work .in Camera 1 mode its another mess by htc where they broke qualcom video-hfr parameter in favour of their own video-mode which seems like a copy paste job from htc one m9 half then they broke it.
I patched hal as far as to allow fps range up to 120fps but the code that switches between the different sensor out put res mode was crippled.
I dunno if Camera2 was intended to even support 60p the only method I see is using HighSpeedCapture mode which only recognizes >=120 .
So in the blob pushed to git 1080p is set to max fps of 120 so it shows up in The high-speed mode .
In the root of the repo is text file showing imx377 configs
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Oh yeah I know. I get where youre coming from for sure and I agree. It is a shame more dont do implement it. I dont think there should be hate directed towards them alone for it, many companies do not take advantage of the full hardware ability. I do wish they would implement it already though. Both the n6 and n6p and the capability but they dont take advantage of it. If they ever release a explanation as to why, id be all ears.
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Oh yeah I know. I get where youre coming from for sure and I agree. It is a shame more dont do implement it. I dont think there should be hate directed towards them alone for it, many companies do not take advantage of the full hardware ability. I do wish they would implement it already though. Both the n6 and n6p and the capability but they dont take advantage of it. If they ever release a explanation as to why, id be all ears.
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They kinda did release an explanation, dont remember word by word, but sounded something like they dont really care about 60fps, all they care about is stability, performance, bug free expirience and start up time of camera app. So i guess they suspect these things could get worse if 60fps was implemented. Oh and if samsung can do it, so should others, unless samsung has some kind of superior developers, of which i really doubt lol
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They kinda did release an explanation, dont remember word by word, but sounded something like they dont really care about 60fps, all they care about is stability, performance, bug free expirience and start up time of camera app. So i guess they suspect these things could get worse if 60fps was implemented. Oh and if samsung can do it, so should others, unless samsung has some kind of superior developers, of which i really doubt lol
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I mean most people complain about slow start times of the camera on tge n6p anyway so I'd hate to see it slowed even further. While Samsung isn't exactly the best developers, they have a massive amount of devs I'm sure. But I still agree. If they can do it, Google and others should be able to also.
Just to clarify, my dislike for Huawei stems far beyond this issue. I will link to the thread (if anyone wants it) where I outline the month-long ordeal where they constantly lied to me about having a tech call me back, refunding my purchase, allowing me to return my 128GB 6P - all because they sent me the A2 style 6P, not the A1 style which everyone else on this continent got, and I purchased 4 other identical 6Ps in that same order, but one was a bastard model that lacked band 10, a band that is necessary for it to work for me on USCC (works on everyone else though) - Google NEVER sold the A2 style, only the A1 (which included band 10) and works perfectly fine. Of the 4 phones purchased, 3 were the A1 style, 1 was the A2 style, and this was never an option when ordered since...there was never more than 1 style that was publically known. They gave me a phone with missing hardware, refused to replace/return/rectify the situation in any form.
Anyway, THATS why I will never do business with them again. Their CS is absolute bull**** and they lie to their customers when they have legitimate issues that THEY caused.
The 60fps issue is on Google, it would be sweet to have, and I can't see any reasonable logic to not including it with the app on the phone? Thats all.
Cleaned up the bickering, let's all play nicely together please.
Hope you have a good day!
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defcomg said:
Attached a modified version of the Camera2video sample from Google,
as I don't have a camera 2 device to test I'm attaching a test apk below
FPS is set 120fps I wanna see if its working , if working the camera driver is modifiable to output 120fps 1080p.
With 120fps 1080p we could set fps range to 60,60 allowing 60p video.
This is a Two part test .
A) if preview running at 120fps
B)if video recording is working
Logcat the test if any error occurs
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A little bit of punctuation... I understood nothing.
Nexus 6P with Chroma rocks!
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i still don't understand what the apk is supposed to do. does it modify the camera app? does it replace the camera app? does it introduce a new fps mode? did you modify the 120fps mode to be 60fps even though the option still says 120fps?
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i still don't understand what the apk is supposed to do. does it modify the camera app? does it replace the camera app? does it introduce a new fps mode? did you modify the 120fps mode to be 60fps even though the option still says 120fps?
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I do believe thats what he's saying, his mod would (if the hardware is capable of it) allow 1080p video to be shot at 120 fps. The app wouldnt change or have an additional option, what would happen is when you select 120fps it would default to 1080p rather than 720p.
Basically, if this works then he now knows how to correctly mod the file to function with the phone without crashing and bugging out, this is something that until now only LCamera was capable of, but the development of that has come to a grinding halt. If this works, then he knows how to add, remove, change values in the camera software to allow 1080p60, 1080p120, 4k60 and potentially more - although the bandwidth for 4k30 is quite high, if the phone is capable of 1080p120 then it theoretically is capable of a hell of a lot more than what BS options Google has in it now.
BTW, found THIS thread, where a google rep dances around others who want this, making **** up as to why this wasnt implemented in the first place and how they dont plan to add it.
I'll test this in just a sec and report back, need to update my rom anyway, so idc if it borks the camera.
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Tried flashing the zip, that didnt work - extracted zip, will try installing the apk. Will advise.
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App opens, video passthrough is laggy - very laggy, when i hit record, it closes the app, and now it wont open back up. :/
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i still don't understand what the apk is supposed to do. does it modify the camera app? does it replace the camera app? does it introduce a new fps mode? did you modify the 120fps mode to be 60fps even though the option still says 120fps?
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does it modify the camera app? no
does it replace the camera app? also, no
does it introduce a new fps mode? yes
did you modify the 120fps mode to be 60fps even though the option still says 120fps? It's more complicated than that, and OP is still working things out.
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I do believe thats what he's saying, his mod would (if the hardware is capable of it) allow 1080p video to be shot at 120 fps. The app wouldnt change or have an additional option, what would happen is when you select 120fps it would default to 1080p rather than 720p.
Basically, if this works then he now knows how to correctly mod the file to function with the phone without crashing and bugging out, this is something that until now only LCamera was capable of, but the development of that has come to a grinding halt. If this works, then he knows how to add, remove, change values in the camera software to allow 1080p60, 1080p120, 4k60 and potentially more - although the bandwidth for 4k30 is quite high, if the phone is capable of 1080p120 then it theoretically is capable of a hell of a lot more than what BS options Google has in it now.
BTW, found THIS thread, where a google rep dances around others who want this, making **** up as to why this wasnt implemented in the first place and how they dont plan to add it.
I'll test this in just a sec and report back, need to update my rom anyway, so idc if it borks the camera.
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Tried flashing the zip, that didnt work - extracted zip, will try installing the apk. Will advise.
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App opens, video passthrough is laggy - very laggy, when i hit record, it closes the app, and now it wont open back up. :/
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-That app was created for another device so the lag is expected and Yes defcomk is creating a software mod and will enable the FPS we deserve. some good progress but nothing solid yet. (patience)
-This won't bork your camera lol
-Regarding L Camera, it was capable but was more of a test being that it got the job done on the Nexus 5 but with lot's of sacrifices and such. hence the reason it was more of a way of just testing camera 2 api. The IMX377 sensor on our phone is more than capable but defcomk is still deep in testing.
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App opens, video passthrough is laggy - very laggy, when i hit record, it closes the app, and now it wont open back up. :/
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well, it does this for me too which is unfortunate.
I don't really understand what's the problem? Can't someone just make a camera app that records at 120fps and just saves one frame and throws away the other? There you go 60fps.
Or you could edit the video yourself and remove every second frame?
The camera's manual mode is darn good. After som shooting, I can see that. It's especially good for stills.
BUT that auto mode is average to not good. I hear some chatter that this camera is for content creators --- those who don't want just auto mode.
I guess the question is --- why can't we have it both ways? What am I missing? Why can't auto jpegs be processed well (pixel-like, for those want it), along with a great manual features? My ILC can do both --- and it's only got one sensor. So, what gives here? I'm just not sure why we need to compromise.
Put simply, there are some situations where I want to shoot manual and some that I just want to shoot in P&S mode.
The best picture isn't always technically the best one, but rather what can be caught in focus in the frame. Seems reasonable to me.
You can use Google Camera for HDR+ Auto Mode. It also generate Raw files for post-processing if jpeg is not good enough.
Link for you: https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/
For example: photo with more colors is hdr+ auto mode. Other is raw with snapseed.
Which port do you recommend??? Thanks much.
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The camera's manual mode is darn good. After som shooting, I can see that. It's especially good for stills.
BUT that auto mode is average to not good. I hear some chatter that this camera is for content creators --- those who don't want just auto mode.
I guess the question is --- why can't we have it both ways? What am I missing? Why can't auto jpegs be processed well (pixel-like, for those want it), along with a great manual features? My ILC can do both --- and it's only got one sensor. So, what gives here? I'm just not sure why we need to compromise.
Put simply, there are some situations where I want to shoot manual and some that I just want to shoot in P&S mode.
The best picture isn't always technically the best one, but rather what can be caught in focus in the frame. Seems reasonable to me.
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Your ILC is a dedicated camera. Everything in it is designed for one job and one job only, to produce the best image possible with the processing chips and jpg engines all dedicated to this end. That's all it does, that whole box. A cellphone is a jack of all trades and there's a saying about jack of all trades, master of none. At no point would I ever put a current cellphone up against a current dedicated camera for imaging. The camera will win every time. Cellphones have encouraged an attitude of good enough when in reality, we know it isn't. To be certain, cellphones these days do a lot better than the first DSLRs and definitely better than my first digital camera.
Problem is that a cellphone is literally everything crammed into one tiny space. Music player, computer, internet modem, phone, television screen, video camera, and camera.... er, make that cameras. All of that screaming for limited space and resources, battery and processors. A dedicated camera is one sensor and it is usually much larger than any cellphone camera sensor. That one sensor usually has room to breath, literally, to help keep it from overheating and not stress the hardware. Cellphones don't get that luxury. A dedicated camera has dedicated AF systems, often times an entirely dedicated set of sensors just for that. Metering is also an entirely separate area of development and testing.
So while we have been lulled into thinking cellphones are great cameras, in reality, they aren't. There's still a lot of times that it is best to have a dedicated camera.
Right, agreed, but it seems to often come down to a software issue in the cameras. Have full manual controls for manual purposes and have good auto processing. Or, am I still missing the point? I could be very wrong here.
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Right, agreed, but it seems to often come down to a software issue in the cameras. Have full manual controls for manual purposes and have good auto processing. Or, am I still missing the point? I could be very wrong here.
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Again, software will be the same problem. For a dedicated camera company, you have an entire company coming up with the engines and algo's going into the camera. Versus a cellphone company having to split their development between a lot of teams but they're going to be pretty small and at best, just able to tweak previous versions of software for their small corner of the device. The company I work for does software for a lot of various things a pharmacy might want to do. We have around 4 devs per team to pull off all the things in a pharmacy. Whereas there are some companies out there that do just one of the things we do and dedicate a much larger team to it. (Up to 100 people working on one piece of software vs our overall team of maybe 10.) That's the difference between a cellphone and a dedicated camera.
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Which port do you recommend??? Thanks much.
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Latest stable port in my link. You have to test some settings to get the best result. Also I hear that Oreo version has improved camera.
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Latest stable port in my link. You have to test some settings to get the best result. Also I hear that Oreo version has improved camera.
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Thanks. A couple of them work. Any advice on settings? I found some, but curious if you got something better.
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Again, software will be the same problem. For a dedicated camera company, you have an entire company coming up with the engines and algo's going into the camera. Versus a cellphone company having to split their development between a lot of teams but they're going to be pretty small and at best, just able to tweak previous versions of software for their small corner of the device. The company I work for does software for a lot of various things a pharmacy might want to do. We have around 4 devs per team to pull off all the things in a pharmacy. Whereas there are some companies out there that do just one of the things we do and dedicate a much larger team to it. (Up to 100 people working on one piece of software vs our overall team of maybe 10.) That's the difference between a cellphone and a dedicated camera.
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I'm actually curious if there's any way to adjust LG's Auto settings. I think from what I've heard, the most common issues are that the photos come out over-exposed and over-processed and smoothed out. Is there any way to go into the LG's software and tone down the exposure brightness and smoothing a bit? I'm sure I'm oversimplifying it but I wonder if there is some sort of setting values we can change so that way everything else remains the same.
any available Gcam for xperia1 III now?
Have you checked GCam Port Hub?
IDK why you bother looking for another camera while your phone's is already very great IMO.
FlandreKanade said:
any available Gcam for xperia1 III now?
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The "MGC_8.1.101_A9_GV1r" is working, but you need to config it to do a better job. I've an initial config made by myself
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The "MGC_8.1.101_A9_GV1r" is working, but you need to config it to do a better job. I've an initial config made by myself
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thx
Masterblop said:
The "MGC_8.1.101_A9_GV1r" is working, but you need to config it to do a better job. I've an initial config made by myself
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How can ı use this xml file with the app?
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How can ı use this xml file with the app?
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I have made a thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/gcam-sony-xperia-1iii.4343691/
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I have made a thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/gcam-sony-xperia-1iii.4343691/
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Thank you very much bro
Which one are you guys using?
New updated version: https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/dev-bsg/f/dl53/
Tried and working version: MGC_8.1.101_A9_GV1s_MGC.apk
Hello,
Is there any option to made the photo sphere working? Honestly I only try to have Gcam for this mode hehe.
Thank you for the apk
Thank you for the link and the config. This is the only build of gcam that I could get working at all.
I've been evaluating this phone for the last week. I may end up returning it. It's a fantastic device; the only real problem I have with it is the camera. It's just not that good, and I think it's entirely a software problem. I've been side-by-side comparing shots taken with Photography Pro, taken with this gcam build, and with my old phone (Xiaomi Mi Mix 3 with a Pixel Experience ROM). Most of the time my old phone looks best, unfortunately.
You tell me:
Left: Xiaomi, Center: Xperia with Photography Pro in Auto mode, Right: Xperia with this Gcam config.
I wonder if with additional tweaking of the config, this could be fixed. It could open up the full potential of the hardware. I don't know the first thing about tweaking this type of camera config, though. Is there a guide that you used somewhere for figuring out the best values in this file?
Thanks again.
stiltzkin said:
Thank you for the link and the config. This is the only build of gcam that I could get working at all.
I've been evaluating this phone for the last week. I may end up returning it. It's a fantastic device; the only real problem I have with it is the camera. It's just not that good, and I think it's entirely a software problem. I've been side-by-side comparing shots taken with Photography Pro, taken with this gcam build, and with my old phone (Xiaomi Mi Mix 3 with a Pixel Experience ROM). Most of the time my old phone looks best, unfortunately.
You tell me:
Left: Xiaomi, Center: Xperia with Photography Pro in Auto mode, Right: Xperia with this Gcam config.
I wonder if with additional tweaking of the config, this could be fixed. It could open up the full potential of the hardware. I don't know the first thing about tweaking this type of camera config, though. Is there a guide that you used somewhere for figuring out the best values in this file?
Thanks again.
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Photography pro and pretty much every xperia before always use very little elaboration. Pretty much every review and testing state that photography pro could obtain high quality photos if used in manual mode. It's not easy, but auto it's not good. For casual photo shot better using basic mode, if you switch to advancet setting, avoid auto and use P, S, or M mode.
I know it's a smartphone and not a mirrorless or a Reflex but it's something like buying a 5000 euro camera body to use it with automatic settings.
Also form the photo you posted i see that the wood construction in the xperia auto mode is darker...but...the tree foliage on the top left clearly show more detail in the middle photo. The Gcam settings appear to have too much sharpness and grain.
Probably the middle photo with a little more exposure time or a little more iso will be the best one of the three.
Evil_Sephiroth said:
Photography pro and pretty much every xperia before always use very little elaboration. Pretty much every review and testing state that photography pro could obtain high quality photos if used in manual mode.
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I won't argue this with you; I've seen some great results in reviews from people using the camera in Manual mode. I'm sure it's possible to obtain superior results if you have the time to compose your shot and find the perfect settings.
The thing is though, for most of the photos I would want to take with a smartphone camera, I don't have time to find optimal settings manually. When I do have that time, I think the ability to make those manual adjustments is awesome (and should be in more smartphones), but most of the time I don't. That means that the Auto/Basic modes are incredibly important, because it's how I'll end up taking most photos in real life. Maybe that means that this phone is not marketed to me, and if that's the case, that's fine. But manual settings are pretty much outside the scope of discussion for this thread - what I wanted was a comparison of essentially default settings between my current phone and this phone.
Evil_Sephiroth said:
For casual photo shot better using basic mode, if you switch to advancet setting, avoid auto and use P, S, or M mode.
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In my testing, I actually found that Basic mode usually takes worse photos than Auto mode. In particular, Basic mode seems to have a big problem with overexposure. I assume because HDR/DRO is not being used?
Left to right: Reference (Xiaomi), Sony Auto, Sony Basic, Sony Gcam
(I had to scale down this comparison for posting)
Also, all modes on this phone do not capture detail as well as my current 3 year old phone. If you blow up the details, clearly the reference photo on the left has by far the best preservation:
Left to right: Reference (Xiaomi), Sony Auto, Sony Basic, Sony Gcam
This holds for every test photo I took - the detail is worse from the Xperia. I don't think manual mode tweaks will fix this - it seems like the sensor and software just don't capture as much detail.
But then again, I am not a professional photographer, so I'm not completely sure. Maybe I am doing something wrong.
All in all, I was really disappointed with these results since I wanted to love this phone!
I think EVERYONE who is obsessed with so-called camera quality on a PHONE has lost their minds. It has become ridiculous.
stiltzkin said:
Thank you for the link and the config. This is the only build of gcam that I could get working at all.
I've been evaluating this phone for the last week. I may end up returning it. It's a fantastic device; the only real problem I have with it is the camera. It's just not that good, and I think it's entirely a software problem. I've been side-by-side comparing shots taken with Photography Pro, taken with this gcam build, and with my old phone (Xiaomi Mi Mix 3 with a Pixel Experience ROM). Most of the time my old phone looks best, unfortunately.
You tell me:
Left: Xiaomi, Center: Xperia with Photography Pro in Auto mode, Right: Xperia with this Gcam config.
I wonder if with additional tweaking of the config, this could be fixed. It could open up the full potential of the hardware. I don't know the first thing about tweaking this type of camera config, though. Is there a guide that you used somewhere for figuring out the best values in this file?
Thanks again.
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In this case for me Sony photo pro>Xiaomi>Sony GCam. Probably we have different opinions or eyes hehe
jaseman said:
I think EVERYONE who is obsessed with so-called camera quality on a PHONE has lost their minds. It has become ridiculous.
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It's the new MHz race on x86 CPU when Pentium 4 were a thing
My race started with Hz
jaseman said:
I think EVERYONE who is obsessed with so-called camera quality on a PHONE has lost their minds. It has become ridiculous.
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An owner of this particular phone with close to insanity price tag is supposed to be obsessed with camera quality. Just because this is the main selling point of it - Zeiss, Sony Alpha team etc. Unfortunaly I'm less than impressed too . Other flaws like average battery life, no face unlock, low screen brightness at daylight etc etc don't help to love this phone either....